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  • Va Beach VH Fan
    ROTH ARMY FOUNDER
    • Dec 2003
    • 17913

    Obama will end "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy (eventually...)

    Now THIS will stop those silly health care debates !!!

    Long overdue....

    Obama Says He Will End 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Policy

    WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama reaffirmed his campaign pledge to end the ban on homosexuals serving openly in the military in a speech Saturday, but offered no timetable or specifics for acting on that longstanding promise.

    He acknowledged to a cheering crowd that some policy changes he promised on the campaign trail are not coming as quickly as they expected.

    "I will end 'don't ask-don't tell,'" Obama said to a standing ovation from the crowd of about 3,000 at the annual dinner of the Human Rights Campaign, a gay civil rights advocacy group.

    The law was passed by Congress in 1993 and signed by President Bill Clinton, who also promised to repeal the ban on homosexuals in the military but was blunted by opposition in the military and Congress. Obama said he's working with Pentagon and congressional leaders on ending the policy.

    "We should not be punishing patriotic Americans who have stepped forward to serve the country," Obama said. "We should be celebrating their willingness to step forward and show such courage ... especially when we are fighting two wars.

    Obama said it was no secret "our progress may be taking longer than we like." He followed this by asking supporters to trust his administration's course.

    "I appreciate that many of you don't believe progress has come fast enough," Obama said. "Do not doubt the direction we are heading and the destination we will reach."

    Some advocates said they already have heard Obama's promises – they just want to hear a timeline. Cleve Jones, a pioneer activist and creator of the AIDS Memorial Quilt, said Obama delivered a brilliant speech, but added "it lacked the answer to our most pressing question, which is when."
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  • FORD
    ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

    • Jan 2004
    • 59661

    #2
    Well the first thing he needs to do is kick the BCE stooges out of the Department of Defense. Why the Hell did he keep Gates on anyway?

    Better than Rummy? Who isn't?

    But that's no reason to keep him. Let alone a ridiculous policy. Gays are serving openly in the military pretty much everywhere else, so I don't know what the problem is.

    Even the homophobes should be over this one. Shouldn't they want gays to fight in wars, so they could get rid of more of them?
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    • Nickdfresh
      SUPER MODERATOR

      • Oct 2004
      • 49570

      #3
      60 Minutes had a package on a gay US soldier-medic that was in Iraq. He was pretty much open about it and no one really cared and he was awarded several decorations. He mentioned he was gay several times, and again aside from some mild teasing or kidding around, no one cared and everyone thought highly of him. He returned to the US and they immediately told him he had to leave and was quietly given and Honorable Discharge and I don't think he minded all that much as he was getting out anyway and wasn't involuntary extended. But was still resentful. It is interesting that they just let him go and gave him an overall positive service rating and full benefits...

      But it's a waste of resources to even gently kick out people because they're gay and I think most people don't really care much anymore and the stereotypical image of the super-homophobic sergeants is probably a thing of the past...

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      • jhale667
        DIAMOND STATUS
        • Aug 2004
        • 20929

        #4
        The line I liked best from Obama's speech - and it could also be applied to say, racism:

        "None of us wants to be defined by one part of what makes us a whole."
        Originally posted by conmee
        If anyone even thinks about deleting the Muff Thread they are banned.... no questions asked.

        That is all.

        Icon.
        Originally posted by GO-SPURS-GO
        I've seen prominent hypocrite liberal on this site Jhale667


        Originally posted by Isaac R.
        Then it's really true??

        The Muff Thread is really just GONE ???

        OMFG...who in their right mind...???
        Originally posted by eddie78
        I was wrong about you, brother. You're good.

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        • Big Train
          Full Member Status

          • Apr 2004
          • 4013

          #5
          He will end this policy once he ends the financial crisis, ends the wars, fixes immigration and earns his Nobel.

          Which is to say never.

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          • letsrock
            Veteran
            • Mar 2007
            • 1595

            #6
            Anyone that wants to carry a gun and protect this country should be permitted.
            That is close to how Howard Stern said it.

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            • thome
              ROTH ARMY ELITE
              • Mar 2005
              • 6678

              #7
              Scenario 1:

              Ok!!! You Captured American DOG! Where are the Battle Plans!!!!!!!

              Name : Reginal Tottleworth
              Rank : Major
              Serial Number : BR549

              and I'm Gay!



              Oh Magod! Can you nice fellows... get me a Zima or some light rum with a twist not so much ice now... be a dear....


              Because, it is so important that you and everybody knows what I do with my PeePee.

              Where are the condos?

              Scenario 2:

              Soldier!!! Why are your wearing pink bootlaces and why is your shirt tied in the front in a bow!!!

              Because I am gay.

              Soldier!! Is that bellie ring Goverment Issue?



              What do you gain by asking for special privleges/recognition ?

              Once again who cares ?

              Why do issues need attention ?

              Do issues cloud the fact that no one is unique ?

              Will soldiers demand, what ?

              If it goes beyond, Dont Ask Don't Tell..will it demand special excemptions for the Gay Troops ?

              Do I still like, That 70's Show ?

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              • standin
                Veteran
                • Apr 2009
                • 2274

                #8
                Homosexuals do have unique issues, Thome.
                There are a lot of aspects that brings a need to be able to discuss one's partner; medical and legal.
                In the military, family life is taken very seriously. And there are huge benefits that go along with having a family in the military. And serious sacrifices those families make for the military.
                A person can get a dishonorable discharge for adultery in the Military.
                Ask any commanding officer, if a troop with a headache personal life is an asset.
                This is not about some imaginary Thome delusion of a world of "free thinkers". It is the military.
                During a coarse of medical or legal advice, it would become necessary to discuss one's sexuality or one's mate.
                Solid and stable home life is valued in the military.

                Matter fact, most people value ethical home lives. And want to enjoy normalized stable lives and all the benefits that go with a solid secure life.

                Beyond the enlisted, what is the ethical life for homosexual officers.
                10 U.S.C. § 933
                Again when moving through the ranks of a military career, a home life is evaluated.
                Two or four year stints are not the issue.
                Outside of the training why bother with the hassle of Military life and homosexuality.
                And how much good training can you get from the military in 2-4 years?
                If you can't manage to keep your self in check for a 2-4 year stint, homosexual or heterosexual, you are going to be out of the military sooner than later.
                Last edited by standin; 10-13-2009, 02:14 AM.
                To put it simply, we need to worry a lot less about how to communicate our actions and much more about what our actions communicate.
                MICHAEL G. MULLEN

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                • GAR
                  Banned
                  • Jan 2004
                  • 10881

                  #9
                  Originally posted by FORD
                  Shouldn't they want gays to fight in wars, so they could get rid of more of them?
                  You're too old to stherve. Don't sthweat it sthister..

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                  • Va Beach VH Fan
                    ROTH ARMY FOUNDER
                    • Dec 2003
                    • 17913

                    #10
                    Originally posted by standin
                    Homosexuals do have unique issues, Thome.
                    There are a lot of aspects that brings a need to be able to discuss one's partner; medical and legal.
                    In the military, family life is taken very seriously. And there are huge benefits that go along with having a family in the military. And serious sacrifices those families make for the military.
                    A person can get a dishonorable discharge for adultery in the Military.
                    Ask any commanding officer, if a troop with a headache personal life is an asset.
                    This is not about some imaginary Thome delusion of a world of "free thinkers". It is the military.
                    During a coarse of medical or legal advice, it would become necessary to discuss one's sexuality or one's mate.
                    Solid and stable home life is valued in the military.

                    Matter fact, most people value ethical home lives. And want to enjoy normalized stable lives and all the benefits that go with a solid secure life.

                    Beyond the enlisted, what is the ethical life for homosexual officers.
                    10 U.S.C. § 933
                    Again when moving through the ranks of a military career, a home life is evaluated.
                    Two or four year stints are not the issue.
                    Outside of the training why bother with the hassle of Military life and homosexuality.
                    And how much good training can you get from the military in 2-4 years?
                    If you can't manage to keep your self in check for a 2-4 year stint, homosexual or heterosexual, you are going to be out of the military sooner than later.
                    Ethics according to whom, though ??

                    While each of us has our own opinions about homosexuality in itself, the bottom line about gays serving in the military, as a 20-year, 9-day retiree, IMO is whether the man/woman can perform their duty, and that's it....

                    Again, IMO, those who think that guys who're gay are gonna run up to them with their cocks in the air in the cramped berthing areas on a ship, where you have up to 120 guys sleeping in an area the size of a big living room, are simply being unrealistic...

                    While I never served with anyone who I knew was gay, I'm sure in retrospect I served with some, I have no doubt....
                    Last edited by Va Beach VH Fan; 10-13-2009, 09:53 AM.
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                    • ELVIS
                      Banned
                      • Dec 2003
                      • 44120

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Nickdfresh
                      60 Minutes had a package on a gay US soldier-medic that was in Iraq. He was pretty much open about it and no one really cared and he was awarded several decorations.
                      For being a pooftah ??

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                      • Nickdfresh
                        SUPER MODERATOR

                        • Oct 2004
                        • 49570

                        #12
                        Originally posted by standin
                        Homosexuals do have unique issues, Thome.
                        ...
                        So does Thomo. Mention something about gays, and he's all over it like a Judy Garland convention...

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                        • Nickdfresh
                          SUPER MODERATOR

                          • Oct 2004
                          • 49570

                          #13
                          Originally posted by ELVIS
                          For being a pooftah ??
                          Why? do you get awards for being a failed heterosexual?
                          Last edited by Nickdfresh; 10-13-2009, 03:17 PM.

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                          • thome
                            ROTH ARMY ELITE
                            • Mar 2005
                            • 6678

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Nickdfresh
                            So does Thomo. Mention something about gays, and he's all over it like a Judy Garland convention...
                            As far as Military Servece...

                            Word is there are lots of MEN who turn bitch to get/or get out of, the attention they need.

                            Word has it down from the higher ups your a # MF'r.

                            A hard dick with a weapon.

                            That is deffinately what the Military needs "independant thinkers"....Pffffft

                            You sign the dotted line your a #, that is it.

                            Cry Baby Cock Sukkers are just that.

                            Scenario 3:

                            But Sargent I am a computer operator

                            { With Gun Now go get in that hole and KILL That MF'R!!} add this to each line..


                            a radio operator
                            a cook
                            a deck hand
                            a secretary at HQ
                            a cryogenic aviation meck
                            a deisle meck
                            a backhoe operator for the engineers
                            the Pvt that raised the flag on post every day
                            a girl that files documents for the commisary



                            All are the same as saying you are gay, you get nothing at all when you are a #.

                            Scenario 4:

                            But Sarge, I am more emotional that the others because I am gay,.....yes pvt I understand now go get your ass in line and quit crying.

                            See if Charlie give a fukk about your NEEDS..

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                            • thome
                              ROTH ARMY ELITE
                              • Mar 2005
                              • 6678

                              #15
                              Originally posted by standin
                              Homosexuals do have unique issues, Thome.
                              There are a lot of aspects that brings a need to be able to discuss one's asset.........
                              BULLSH!T!

                              Where's Blaze, at least she made sense?

                              P.S. Stop writing my -Alias- with a capital "T" it pisses me off, and represtents, a feeling implied, that you percieve some authoritarian stimga placed within my concepts presented. That you, quoting me, with capitalization, created a understanding that I am more than just thome.

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