Celestion G12H-100

[GAR]

Celestion G12H-100: what is it?

I have never owned 'em before, I just tonite picked up one of those 1971 Marshall 100 cabinets the type that has the triangular "100" badge-pad in the upper-left corner like Hendrix had.

For under $160 I didn't pay much attention to it till I got it home to take the back off, when I did I noticed the tolex was a different grain altogether.

The serial number plate in fact, said "Model 1982 - 400 watts" which I have never seen before!

The cones are same as the 75's with the "1777" marking in white. The date codes I'll post tomorrow when I look it up what it is, but they're stamped similar to the G12-65 and 75's with that weird oxidize, calcified condensation drip going down the frame. I've seen that alot, garage-stored cabs do that and I got a set of 75's somewhere in storage like that already. They sound fantastic.

What's apparent to me is, someone with a check-grilled Marshall swapped the speakers with a JMP- or JCM-era cabinet along with the backboard. It's got that plastic jack-shell that goes in shaped like a styrofoam cup which I don't like, as they have a tendency under pressure to actually let the input jack plug blow the fuck outwards frying your output tranny.

This will make a good shell when I'm start re-grilling, this makes a third check-grille redo for that list.

Also, it's a Whitworth thread.. so we'll get picks of that for the Whitworth Thread thread, too.

But my main question is: have you ever used the Celestion 100 watter, and what was it for?

Ever known anyone to use it? Ever seen one in action!

[jhale667]

Too busy trolling to Google it yourself?

http://www.avatarspeakers.com/celestion%20replacements.htm (http://www.avatarspeakers.com/celestion%20replacements.htm)

Celestion G12h-100 - The Gear Page (http://www.thegearpage.net/board/showthread.php?t=305279)

Celestion stopped production of these(and a lot of other good speakers),when they moved most of their production to China about 5 years ago.

As biggest hater of Chinese Celestions here (the one thing you're probably right about), thought you'd be all over that....

[GAR]

I haven't turned them up yet but I'm assuming they'll need alot of wattage to get them to sit up and bark for the cookie..

The guys' place I was at who had them ran clean guitar channel and they sounded more Fender than anything.

I don't think I like them for low power anything, what I want a Celestion for is sensitive distortion and breakup with a rainbow of harmonic overtones and I don't sense that with this "H" model.

I sense that in low wattage with everything else: greenback, 30's, 65's, 75's.. this is an odd animal for me to have.

[Diamondjimi]

Celestion G12H-100: what is it?

I have never owned 'em before, I just tonite picked up one of those 1971 Marshall 100 cabinets the type that has the triangular "100" badge-pad in the upper-left corner like Hendrix had.

For under $160 I didn't pay much attention to it till I got it home to take the back off, when I did I noticed the tolex was a different grain altogether.

The serial number plate in fact, said "Model 1982 - 400 watts" which I have never seen before!

The cones are same as the 75's with the "1777" marking in white. The date codes I'll post tomorrow when I look it up what it is, but they're stamped similar to the G12-65 and 75's with that weird oxidize, calcified condensation drip going down the frame. I've seen that alot, garage-stored cabs do that and I got a set of 75's somewhere in storage like that already. They sound fantastic.

What's apparent to me is, someone with a check-grilled Marshall swapped the speakers with a JMP- or JCM-era cabinet along with the backboard. It's got that plastic jack-shell that goes in shaped like a styrofoam cup which I don't like, as they have a tendency under pressure to actually let the input jack plug blow the fuck outwards frying your output tranny.

This will make a good shell when I'm start re-grilling, this makes a third check-grille redo for that list.

Also, it's a Whitworth thread.. so we'll get picks of that for the Whitworth Thread thread, too.

But my main question is: have you ever used the Celestion 100 watter, and what was it for?

Ever known anyone to use it? Ever seen one in action!

:thread_needs_pics:


Just trying to fit in by talking more about imaginary gear you "acquire"...

GAR is my dog and he does what he's told..... gooood boy! (http://www.rotharmy.com/forums/1390681-post129.html)

[GAR]

As biggest hater of Chinese Celestions here (the one thing you're probably right about), thought you'd be all over that....

I don't follow The Gear Page, although that place was my first internet sale ($5 yardsale Mutron opto foot controller $180) 10 years ago; and the poster's info is incorrect: not all Celestion models' production was moved to China.

If Carvin's using the Chinese greenback in thier Vai Legacy cabinets, they're not completely awful - same as your shit G12M-70s - they work but not well enough for my tastes and needs.

I thought YOUD be all over Diamondjimi's dumpster-dive find of a set of greenbacks: you two haven't worked something out for them already?

[GAR]

Just trying to fit in

... by posting broken links to deleted or fake posts?

YOu really are low-wattage, huh..

[jhale667]

I don't follow The Gear Page


Nor do I, it was one of the first things that popped up when I googled it - like you usually would have - but you would have answered your own question...

[jhale667]

And to even entertain your premise for a moment (not sure why, maybe I'm in a giving mood=drunk):

Unless DJ was giving them to me (cool as he is, and he is - he'd be a dummy to), how cost-effective would it be to ship them from Canada?
You claim to find them here, should be simple enough when...I mean, c'mon.

It's not like I've even debated with you on this subject , stupid:rolleyes: - I dig greenbacks FFS (real ones rather than reissues); it's on the list, but not the priority - so why keep harping for the cabs I'm lately only using/have used for reference at the moment (and cover gigs for the last few years), and by your own admission are usable?? Especially when the amp is a Mesa-Boogie that sounds good through whatever? Hmmmm?

You're just trolling..and everyone can see through it. :fufu: Otherwise, you'd have googled/wiki'd first and answered your own question...


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[jackassrock]

I'm pretty sure there's a 100 watt celestion in my 6101 combo. I bought that super expensive piece to use for bar band gigs and never really liked it. It does sound a WHOLE lot better plugged into my 4x12 (with vintage 30s in it) though. Probably due in large part to the closed back cab giving a lot more punch to the sound.

Unfortunately that kinda defeats the purpose that I have it for. Ended up buying a Fender Blues Deville that works much better for that purpose.


ETA, sorry for keeping on topic here, please continue your usually scheduled childish bitch fest.

[GAR]

That doesn't describe your speakers very well, can you post a pic of what's in the Blues Deville and the 6101?

You could move a Vintage 30 into the 6101 - it's rated 70 watts. Unless the impedance is not selectable for output..

And usually those Blues Devilles have the chinese Fender speakers OR the Fender Special Designs made by Sica/Jensen.. and they're only just a little better sounding.

[GAR]

http://www.amps-n-bits.com/guitar-speakers/celestion-guitar-speakers/celestion-guitar-speakers/gscs022/rola-celestion-g12h-30watts-1973(1).jpg

THESE are to me, the baddest-ass speaker ever made you can find available: G12H-30, 55hz resonance.

I favor these the most, mixed with 25watt 75 hz G12M's.

A pair of G12M and G12H this way, is my favorite sound and I've tried many different speakers.

But this G12H-100 is a new one I never heard of before. They come stock in Marshall cabinet model 1982A and 1982B, which I also never heard of till I bought one.

They were almost always 1960A or 1960B, and once in awhile I'd find a 1984A or B which came stock with the Vintage 30's or the Marshall-labeled V30s called "Marshall Vintage"

[Diamondjimi]

... by posting broken links to deleted or fake posts?



The link works fine,boy. So you "scored" an imaginary Marshall, it ain't real without pictures...

No one cares!

[jhale667]

ETA, sorry for keeping on topic here, please continue your usually scheduled childish bitch fest.

No, thank you for trying.


The link works fine,boy. So you "scored" an imaginary Marshall, it ain't real without pictures...

No one cares!

:thread_needs_pics:

[GAR]

Especially when the amp is a Mesa-Boogie that

.. does sound good thru speakers designed with solid-state amps in mind, but would sound delishyuss thru speakers designed so Jimi Hendrix wouldn't blow 'em.

Logistics? Shipping? Costs? He'll have to be willing.

First of all I'm thinking he SAYS he got them free, maybe he didn't. So anything you send is a gains for him.

Second, shipping from Canada to the US is gonna be a customs hit. I bought some ebay Canada stuff they make the shit sit 3 weeks in line for the drug dogs to walk past and sniff before they send it over the border. Also I recall it's 30% more to ship the equivalent weight from Toronto to LA compared to say, from Webster NY.

Thirdly, I once shipped a pair of 65's that have about the same magnet weight, I believe to New Jersey and cost was $32 ground FEDEX.

So what do I think.. if he wanted to do you the "Bro" rate thing, it's gonna cost maybe $100 in shipping so maybe you send him $250.00.

You will get 150 for the 70s, your cost then for the upgrade is $100 bucks.

[jackassrock]

That doesn't describe your speakers very well, can you post a pic of what's in the Blues Deville and the 6101?

You could move a Vintage 30 into the 6101 - it's rated 70 watts. Unless the impedance is not selectable for output..

And usually those Blues Devilles have the chinese Fender speakers OR the Fender Special Designs made by Sica/Jensen.. and they're only just a little better sounding.

The Deville sounds ok (with the Fender speakers), but what I really meant is that, for what I'm using it for, it's better for me. That is true because it has wheels, doesn't weigh 80 pounds, I'm not afraid to bang it around or put drinks on top, and I don't really need $2000 worth of Marshall to play classic/roots rock covers on a Tuesday night in front of 30 people. Basically, it came to portability, that little blue combo is fookin' heavy.

Yes, I am sacrificing tone for convenience.


However, I do use the 6101 for recording, and it sounds great. Sorry I can't expound much more on the sound quality of the speaker its self.

[GAR]

That's fine, nobody thinks about speakers as much as I do around here..

I find two things about the G12H lately:

1) they make a Chinese reissue one of the 70th Anniversary G12H they call "30th Anniversary" that sells around $150.

2) they still make the original G12H in England, but it's over $200 bucks retail as is the other 4 UK-handmades (G12-65, greenback, bluedog, V30)

[Hardrock69]

That's fine, nobody thinks about speakers as much as I do around here..


That is a LIE!


You are waaaay to busy thinking about everything that everyone posts in these forums to spend all that much time thinking about speakers.

Next thing you will be trying to tell us that you invented the vaccuum tube or something.

Get down off your pedestal, garfuckle. :tongue0011:

You have already long passed the point where you have become a raving parody of yourself. :hee:

How MUCH DO YOU THINK OF SPEAKERS, garfuckle? 2 hours a day? 5? 3 43/64?

Do tell!

You who know so much about everything on the planet except how to shut the fuck up!

:fufu::fufu::fufu::fufu::fufu::fufu:

[Hardrock69]

Now, back on topic, the $300 Slant cab I got a few years back has 3 mid-70s Greenbacks in them, and one early 80s 65-watt Celestion.

I prefer the tone of the 65-watt Celestion over the Greenbacks. Has a bit more in the upper mid-range, while still having some nice low end.

[Diamondjimi]

Quick, get the codes off the Celestions and don't post them for GARy!:biggrin:

[Nitro Express]

The Deville sounds ok (with the Fender speakers), but what I really meant is that, for what I'm using it for, it's better for me. That is true because it has wheels, doesn't weigh 80 pounds, I'm not afraid to bang it around or put drinks on top, and I don't really need $2000 worth of Marshall to play classic/roots rock covers on a Tuesday night in front of 30 people. Basically, it came to portability, that little blue combo is fookin' heavy.

Yes, I am sacrificing tone for convenience.


However, I do use the 6101 for recording, and it sounds great. Sorry I can't expound much more on the sound quality of the speaker its self.

Don't feel guilty. I went from a big bass rig to playing a SansAmp direct to the board and sometimes I use in ear monitors. Hey. When you don't have roadies that stack or 8x10 and SVT lose their appeal quick.

[GO-SPURS-GO]

Don't feel guilty. I went from a big bass rig to playing a SansAmp direct to the board and sometimes I use in ear monitors. Hey. When you don't have roadies that stack or 8x10 and SVT lose their appeal quick.

Really! Sometimes I wonder WHY I lug my big ass coffin, and my 200 hundred pound head around when I can just use my SansAmp. :( Those lights are a pain in the ass to move too!

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[GAR]

Hoo boy - tonite's score was not much more uplifting: another slant, but with the G12L-35's in it.

These sound exactly like those twerpy Jensen Mod 30s, so much that I wonder did Sica manufacture the low-cost Celestions?

One amp tech told me they were fake Celestions "manufactured by (Vorshan? Volshan, Varchen.. FIIK) in Germany. And that was back in the 80's but I haven't had much luck coming up with info on this "volshan"..

Anyhow: I don't like 'em. They sound much like the Utah speakers of old I used as a teenager, as the only 12" I could get my hands on pulled from old stereo equipment or PA's.

[GAR]

Really! Sometimes I wonder WHY I lug my big ass coffin, and my 200 hundred pound head around when I can just use my SansAmp. :( Those lights are a pain in the ass to move too!

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There's nothing like a wall of 2 or more stacks each for bass and guitar. That's a show! You feel the bass response hit you in the chest and for me.. that is A show.

Back in the day, we'd rent a truck from Avon-Penske Rentals, down off Santa Monica and Labrea. They rent to the studios, like $40 a day plus mileage with a liftgate.

These days I would move them around in a trailer if I had to.

[Nitro Express]

Backlines are cool but you can get by without them. Geddy Lee does. If you want to be slammed you can set up a PA speaker on stage where you want it.

[jhale667]

I still loves me some 4x12s... :D

[GAR]

Backlines are cool but you can get by without them. Geddy Lee does.

Geddy Lee AND his guitar player - idiots both.

Nice dry, thin tone he gets with those Maytags running thru the front of house PA system.. what a dick.

WHAT a dick!