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FORD
05-29-2004, 10:24 AM
Tillman Likely Killed by Friendly Fire

By JAY COHEN, Associated Press Writer

FORT BRAGG, N.C. - Former pro football player Pat Tillman was "probably" killed by friendly fire as he led his team of Army Rangers up a hill during a firefight in Afghanistan last month, the U.S. Army said Saturday.

Tillman walked away from a $3.6 million NFL contract to join the Army after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks. Previous military statements about Tillman's death, including one that accompanied a posthumous Silver Star award, had suggested Tillman died under enemy fire.

"While there was no one specific finding of fault, the investigation results indicate that Cpl. Tillman probably died as a result of friendly fire while his unit was engaged in combat with enemy forces," Lt. Gen. Philip R. Kensington Jr. said in a statement released by the Army Special Operations Command.

The statement said the firefight took place in "very severe and constricted terrain in impaired light" with 10 to 12 enemy combatants firing on U.S. forces.

A woman who answered the phone late Friday at the home of Tillman's uncle said the family would have no immediate comment.

An Afghan military official told The Associated Press on Saturday that Tillman died because of a "misunderstanding" when two mixed groups of American and Afghan soldiers began firing wildly in the confusion following an explosion.

The Afghan official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, also contradicted U.S. reports that the American soldiers had come under enemy fire.

The account of friendly fire was first reported by the Arizona Republic and The Argus of Fremont (Calif.) on Saturday.

"It does seem pretty clear that he was killed by friendly fire," Rep. Trent Franks, R-Ariz., a member of the House Armed Services Committee, told the Republic. Franks said his panel was alerted to the information by the Army's Legislative Liaison Office.

A member of the elite Ranger unit since 2002, Tillman was posthumously promoted from specialist to corporal. He also was awarded a Purple Heart and Silver Star.

At a memorial service in his hometown of San Jose earlier this month Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., called him "a most honorable man."

"While many of us will be blessed to live a longer life, few of us will ever live a better one," McCain, who spent 5 1/2 years as a prisoner of war in Vietnam, said at Tillman's memorial service.

When the Army announced he was being awarded the Silver Star, it said Tillman was killed after his platoon was split into two sections for what officials called a ground assault convoy. Tillman was in charge of the lead group.

His group was safely out of the area when the trailing group came under mortar and small arms fire, according to the Army, and he ordered them to return.

"Through the firing, Tillman's voice was heard issuing fire commands to take the fight to the enemy on the dominating high ground," the award announcement said. "Only after his team engaged the well-armed enemy did it appear their fires diminished.

"As a result of his leadership and his team's efforts, the platoon trail section was able to maneuver through the ambush to positions of safety without a single casualty," the announcement said.

The Afghan official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, said the two groups of soldiers had drifted some distance apart during the operation in the remote Spera district of Khost province, close to the Pakistani border.

"Suddenly the sound of a mine explosion was heard somewhere between the two groups and the Americans in one group started firing," the official said, citing an account given to him by an Afghan fighter who was part of that group, not Tillman's.

"Nobody knew what it was _ a mine, a remote-controlled bomb _ or what was going on, or if enemy forces were firing. The situation was very confusing," the official said.

"As the result of this firing, that American was killed and three Afghan soldiers were injured. It was a misunderstanding and afterwards they realized that it was a mine that had exploded and there were no enemy forces." U.S. military officials in Kabul had no immediate comment.

Tillman's platoon was in the area as part of an effort called Operation Mountain Storm, in which they were charged with rooting out Taliban and al-Qaida fighters.

The Arizona Cardinals safety became the first NFL player to die in combat since the Vietnam War. He was one of about 100 U.S. soldiers to have been killed in Afghanistan since the United States invaded in 2001.

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Associated Press writer Stephen Graham contributed to this report from Kabul, Afghanistan.

Sarge
05-29-2004, 11:30 AM
That pretty much sucks...

Viking
05-29-2004, 07:55 PM
Damn, that sucks. But it doesn't lessen the contribution he made to his country.

John Ashcroft
05-29-2004, 08:07 PM
Exactly.

Ford, your subtitle is tasteless at best.

Does it matter how the men and women protecting this country die when they do in the process of defending America???

I have just as much respect for someone who dies in an auto-accident while serving as for someone who's shot down by hostile fire. Absolutely nothing will ever change my mind in this respect.

FORD
05-29-2004, 10:42 PM
Originally posted by John Ashcroft
Exactly.

Ford, your subtitle is tasteless at best.

Does it matter how the men and women protecting this country die when they do in the process of defending America???

I have just as much respect for someone who dies in an auto-accident while serving as for someone who's shot down by hostile fire. Absolutely nothing will ever change my mind in this respect.

So does this mean you'll urge the neocons to quit bashing Max Cleland because the grenade which took half his body off was technically an accident as opposed to an actual combat injury (i.e the grenade being thrown at him)

Again, my problem's not with Pat Tillman, but with the way the BCE milked this to make THEMSELVES look good, probably knowing it was a friendly fire incident all along. Just like the way Jessica Lynch's simple car wreck was blown up into an entirely fictional story.

John Ashcroft
05-30-2004, 11:52 AM
The criticism of Max Cleland was on his service in the Senate, not in Vietnam. You libs are the only ones who float the idea of this criticism of his service, not the Conservatives. Even Ann Coulter acknowledged his service. It was only after the libs tried to divert attention away from his voting record by inventing controversy over Vietnam that Ann unloaded with both barrels.

But this is typical of you on the left. If someone brings up your candidate's voting record, all you've got to offer is "He's a vietnam war hero! How dare you question his patriotism????!!!!" It's classic projection because you know damn well that your ideology is a loser at the ballot box. The good thing is, the American public is on to your tricks. Expect a long, long time as the minority party friend.

Oh, and for the record, I've never criticized Cleland's service or injuries. I do question Kerry's though. It's one thing to be wounded and put in for Purple Hearts. It's entirely another to work around the system by putting yourself in for medals when your Commander hasn't authorized it. I've actually worked with a female airman who did just that, and got bitch-slapped for doing so.

BigBadBrian
05-30-2004, 12:43 PM
Originally posted by FORD
So does this mean you'll urge the neocons to quit bashing Max Cleland because the grenade which took half his body off was technically an accident as opposed to an actual combat injury (i.e the grenade being thrown at him)

Again, my problem's not with Pat Tillman, but with the way the BCE milked this to make THEMSELVES look good, probably knowing it was a friendly fire incident all along. Just like the way Jessica Lynch's simple car wreck was blown up into an entirely fictional story.


You're an asshole. There's simply no other way to say it. :gulp:

FORD
05-30-2004, 12:50 PM
Don't expect me to defend Judas. I'm not his biggest fan either. But it seems that the Republican party has trivialized the service of ANYONE who was in Vietnam, be it Kerry, Cleland, Bob Kerrey, Al Gore, and even John McCain in their own party. While at the same time exaggerating Junior's questionable National Guard service, trying to make his pathetic ass into a war hero. I'm not a vet, and that sickens me to no end, so I don't know how the Hell anyone who did serve in the military can tolerate it.

Shit, look at the way things are done in the BCE itself. It's obvious that Colin Powell has the least possible input in any of the decisions, yet he's the only one out of all of them who ever spent one fucking day in combat.

This fraudministration doesn't give a flying fuck about the military or veterans, except as a human commodity to be used to further their own fascist goals. Junior hasn't been to one fucking goddamned funeral out of 800 + dead. The fact that he even showed his face at the WWII memorial makes me sick. Those old geezers should have beat the shit out of him with their canes.

Seshmeister
05-30-2004, 06:52 PM
Originally posted by John Ashcroft


I have just as much respect for someone who dies in an auto-accident while serving as for someone who's shot down by hostile fire. Absolutely nothing will ever change my mind in this respect.

Should you get a purple heart for an automobile injury?