13 killed in shootings at Fort Hood [Archive] - The Diamond David Lee Roth Army

Va Beach VH Fan

11-05-2009, 03:54 PM

A product of too many deployments, no doubt....

7 killed in shootings at Fort Hood, Pentagon says - CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/11/05/texas.fort.hood.shootings/index.html)

(CNN) -- At least seven people are dead and between 12 and 15 wounded in shootings at Fort Hood in Texas on Thursday, senior Pentagon official told CNN.

At least one person is "neutralized" in connection with the incident, and a second is "cornered," retired Army Lt. Gen. Russel Honore told CNN, citing "unofficial, unconfirmed reports" from two sources.

On the Fort Hood Web site, the word "closed" is posted with the statement, "Effective immediately, Fort Hood is closed. Organizations/units are instructed to execute a 100 percent accountability of all personnel."

Fort Hood was asking people on post to stay away from windows, CNN affiliate KXXV said. The incident took place at the sports dome, now known as the soldier readiness area, the station reported.

FBI agents are headed to the scene to assist, said Erik Vasys, spokesman for the FBI office in San Antonio. He had no other details.

The military installation is located near Killeen, Texas. It is the Army's largest installation, Honore said.

Nickdfresh

11-05-2009, 04:14 PM

Oh boy. :( Sounds like it might have been planned.

Nickdfresh

11-05-2009, 04:15 PM

Oh boy. :( Sounds like it might have been planned. Two are said to be at large...

Va Beach VH Fan

11-05-2009, 04:20 PM

The SGTMAJ that Rick Sanchez just talked to on CNN is an old friend of mine.... We were softball buddies in Naples, Italy.... He was a SGT back then....

FORD

11-05-2009, 05:02 PM

General just gave a briefing. Believe he said 12 dead, 31 injured. :(

Big Train

11-05-2009, 05:18 PM

Not good...

Twelve Soldiers Killed in Fort Hood Shooting - ABC News (http://abcnews.go.com/WN/soldiers-killed-fort-hood-shooting/story?id=9007938)

Twelve people have been killed and 31 wounded in a shooting spree at a Texas military base by what officials believe was possibly carried out by two and possibly three gunmen.

Gunman kills at least 7 and wounds 12 at Fort Hood.One gunman was killed and two other suspects have been apprehended, Lt. Robert W. Cone said.

The dead gunman was a member of the Army, Cone said, and used two handguns. He wasn't sure if he reloaded the weapons during the attack.

Sources tell ABC News that the shooter was an officer, which means he's ranked higher than a sergeant.

The general called the attack "a terrible tragedy, stunning." He said the community was "absolutely devastated."

The extent of the injuries of victims "varies significantly," according to Cole.

Cole said the motive for the attack, which took place just after 1:30 p.m. CT, is still unclear.

Fort Hood, located just 60 miles north from Austin, is the largest U.S. military installation in the world, and has suffered the greatest number of caualities of all American bases in the war on Iraq.

The base is a 340 sq. mile facility located in Killeen, Texas and is home to the 1st Cavalry Division, which was one of the first groups of soldiers deployed to Iraq.

The military said today that "more than one shooter" opened fire in the Soldiers Readiness Processing Center and the Howze Theater on the base.

The processing center is where soldiers go to get last minute dental and medical clearance before going to war.

The Howze Theater was scheduled to hold a college graduation service this afternoon. According to a base newspaper, the Fort Hood newspaper, the ceremony was supposed to recognized soldiers and family members who had missed commencement ceremonies due to deployments.

Schools on the base has also been placed on lockdown. A message on Fort Hood's public affairs office Web site reads, "Organizations/units are instructed to execute a 100 percent accountability of all personnel. This is not a Drill. It is an Emergency Situation."

According to a source on the base, it is rare for firearms to be on the base because they are locked up.

Homeland Security said it is still gathering information and that the "Army is taking the lead" as of now. FBI agents from Waco and Austin, Texas, are being deployed to the scene.

An army spokesman said that unit commanders have been instructed to account for all of their personnel.

"The immediate concern is to make sure that all of our soldiers and family members are save and that's what commanders have been instructed to do," said Jay Adams of First Army, Division West, located at Fort Hood.

The CounterTerrorist Unit said they have "no word" yet on whether this incident was terrorism-related.

Va Beach VH Fan

11-05-2009, 05:32 PM

Here we go....

MSNBC twitter; NBC's Pete Williams: A U.S. official identifies one shooter as Army Major Malik Nadal Hasan

lesfunk

11-05-2009, 06:17 PM

A Muslim? Now that's a surprise.

Nitro Express

11-05-2009, 06:30 PM

Now you are going to see the conspiracy theorists like Alex Jones say the shooter was a mind controlled New World Order drone adding to the chaos so they can clamp down and bring order.

That being said, it's a sad tragedy.

chefcraig

11-05-2009, 06:30 PM

Here we go....

MSNBC twitter; NBC's Pete Williams: A U.S. official identifies one shooter as Army Major Malik Nadal Hasan

Army says 12 dead, 31 injured at Fort Hood
Gunman killed, two suspects — all soldiers — in custody in Texas incident

A U.S. soldier opened fire Thursday at Fort Hood, Texas, killing at least 11 people and wounding 31 others, military officials said. The gunman was shot to death, and two other soldiers were in custody.

NBC News’ Pete Williams reported that a U.S. official identified the gunman as Maj. Malik Nadal Hasan, who was 39 or 40. Lt. Gen. Robert W. Cone, commanding general of the Army’s III Corps, who briefed President Barack Obama on the shootings, said he used two handguns.

A defense official told The Associated Press that Hasan was a mental health professional — either a psychologist or a psychiatrist — but that it was not known whether he was treating people at the base. Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchinson, R-Texas, said military officials told her that the gunman was about to be deployed to Iraq and was “upset about it.”

It was unclear why the two other soldiers were taken into custody. A senior administration official told NBC News that the shootings could have been a criminal matter rather than a terrorism-related attack and that there was no intelligence to suggest a plot against Fort Hood.

Military and local hospital officials said the victims were a mixture of men and women, military and civilian. At least one of those killed was a civilian police officer, Cone said. At least four local SWAT officers were among those wounded, NBC affiliate KCEN-TV of Waco reported.

Two of the victims remained in surgery late Thursday afternoon at Metroplex Hospital in Killeen. One of them, a woman, is an emergency medical worker the base, the hospital said.

Fort Hood, one of the largest military complexes in the world, was on lockdown, as were schools in the area. Dozens of agents of the FBI and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives responded to the post, federal officials said.

And naturally...

Muslim group condemns shootings
Speaking in Washington, Obama called the shootings a “horrific incident.”

“It’s difficult enough when we lose these great Americans in battles overseas,” Obama said at the Interior Department. “It’s horrifying that they should come under fire at an Army base on American soil.”

Noting the Arabic nature of the gunman’s name, the Council on American-Islamic Relations, a Washington interest group, condemned “this cowardly attack in the strongest terms possible and ask that the perpetrators be punished to the full extent of the law.”

”No political or religious ideology could ever justify or excuse such wanton and indiscriminate violence,” the council said in a statement. “The attack was particularly heinous in that it targeted the all-volunteer army that protects our nation. American Muslims stand with our fellow citizens in offering both prayers for the victims and sincere condolences to the families of those killed or injured.”

More at Army: 12 dead, 31 wounded at Fort Hood - Crime & courts- msnbc.com (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33678801/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/)

FORD

11-05-2009, 06:35 PM

A 39 year old Major and psychiatrist. Recently transferred in from Walter Reed. Specialty was traumatic stress.

In other words, this was the guy who heard all the Hellish war stories from all the guys who came back from Chimpy's illegal wars. And was recently told he had to go there himself.

Dunno if he just snapped, or what. But I doubt his religious beliefs were the cause.

kwame k

11-05-2009, 06:43 PM

What a fucking tragedy..........not even in a war zone, in the USA, and on an Army base.......senseless.

Nitro Express

11-05-2009, 08:16 PM

What a fucking tragedy..........not even in a war zone, in the USA, and on an Army base.......senseless.

Some parts of the USA are a warzone. Detroit comes to mind.

kwame k

11-05-2009, 08:20 PM

Some parts of the USA are a warzone. Detroit comes to mind.

Nicely played, sir!

lesfunk

11-05-2009, 08:39 PM

. I doubt his religious beliefs were the cause.

Me too. I just said what I said to get it out of the way

Sensible Shoes

11-05-2009, 08:42 PM

Awful. Bad enough to give your life for your country in Afghanistan or Iraq - but on a U.S. Base? Can't wait to hear the investigation about this one.

Nitro Express

11-05-2009, 09:21 PM

Anyone who is stupid enough to open fire on a military base clearly wants to be taken out. He might be a terrorist or just a mentally disturbed person who wants to die and make the news at the same time. If it can happen at a school or university, it can happen at an army base.

I wouldn't discount religion at all. This guy might have been earning his virgins. Fuck political correctness. Some sects of Islam believe this shit so what's to say he wasn't out to join the big orgy in Allah's paradise? Who knows what was going on in his disturbed mind.

FORD

11-05-2009, 10:04 PM

**UPDATE**

Whore media fucks up again - Major Hasan is NOT dead. He's in stable condition.

(at least until somebody sneaks into his hospital room and shoots an air bubble in his IV )

Big Train

11-05-2009, 10:13 PM

Nurse Elvis, it's time to come serve your country...

FORD

11-05-2009, 10:23 PM

I was thinking that, but didn't want to post it.

Dr. Love

11-05-2009, 10:52 PM

I know he sounds muslim but come on ... 12 dead and 31 wounded with two handguns? The guy HAS to be Korean.

kwame k

11-05-2009, 11:00 PM

**UPDATE**

Whore media fucks up again - Major Hasan is NOT dead. He's in stable condition.

(at least until somebody sneaks into his hospital room and shoots an air bubble in his IV )

Just read that and, of course, in their attempt to generate 24 hour news coverage....speculation and conjecture overrule substantiated and fact checks.

kwame k

11-05-2009, 11:01 PM

I know he sounds muslim but come on ... 12 dead and 31 wounded with two handguns? The guy HAS to be Korean.

I was thinking old school Clint Eastwood;)

Va Beach VH Fan

11-05-2009, 11:28 PM

I wouldn't discount religion at all.

I have to agree, just too damn coincidential....

Nickdfresh

11-06-2009, 07:10 AM

NYT: Suspect ‘mortified’ about deployment
Relatives: Ft. Hood suspect upset over being harassed about being Muslim
By JAMES DAO
The New York Times
updated 10:43 p.m. ET, Thurs., Nov . 5, 2009
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WASHINGTON - Born and reared in Virginia, the son of immigrant parents from a small Palestinian town near Jerusalem, he joined the Army right out of high school, against his parents’ wishes. The Army, in turn, put him through college and then medical school, where he trained to be a psychiatrist.

But Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, the 39-year-old man accused of Thursday’s mass shooting at Fort Hood, Tex., started having second thoughts about his military career a few years ago after other soldiers harassed him for being a Muslim, he told relatives in Virginia.

He had also more recently expressed deep concerns about being sent to Iraq or Afghanistan. Having counseled scores of returning soldiers with post-traumatic stress disorder, first at Walter Reed Army Medical Center in Washington and more recently at Fort Hood, he knew all too well the terrifying realities of war, said a cousin, Nader Hasan.

“He was mortified by the idea of having to deploy,” Mr. Hasan said. “He had people telling him on a daily basis the horrors they saw over there.”

Disturbing postings
The Federal Bureau of Investigation had earlier become aware of Internet postings by a man who called himself Nidal Hasan, a law enforcement official said. The postings discussed suicide bombing in a favorable light, but the investigators were not clear whether the writer was Major Hasan.

In one posting on the Web site Scribd, a man named Nidal Hasan compared the heroism of a soldier who throws himself on a grenade to protect fellow soldiers to suicide bombers who sacrifice themselves to protect Muslims.

“If one suicide bomber can kill 100 enemy soldiers because they were caught off guard that would be considered a strategic victory,” the man wrote. It could not be confirmed, however, that the writer was Major Hasan.

Major Hasan was wounded and taken into custody by the Fort Hood police after the shooting spree, in which 12 people, many of them soldiers, were killed, and at least 31 others were wounded. The shootings occurred at a readiness center where soldiers are put through a series of medical, dental, legal and other paces in preparation for being deployed.

Though Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison of Texas reported that Major Hasan was to be deployed later this month, that could not be confirmed with the Army Thursday night.

Family shocked at news
Nader Hasan said his cousin never mentioned in recent phone calls to Virginia that he was going to be deployed, and he said the family was shocked when it heard the news on television Thursday afternoon.

“He was doing everything he could to avoid that,” Mr. Hasan said. “He wanted to do whatever he could within the rules to make sure he wouldn’t go over.”

Several years ago, that included retaining a lawyer and making inquiries about whether he could get out of the Army before his contract was up, because of the harassment he had received as a Muslim. But Nader Hasan said the lawyer had told his cousin that even if he paid the Army back for his education, it would not allow him to leave before his commitment was up.

“I think he gave up that fight and was just doing his time,” Mr. Hasan said.

Nader Hasan said his cousin’s parents had both been American citizens who owned businesses, including restaurants and a store, in Roanoke, Va. He declined to confirm reports that they were Jordanian, but said the parents, who are both dead, had immigrated from a small town near Jerusalem many years ago.

His mother’s obituary, published in The Roanoke Times in 2001, said she was born in Palestine in 1952. It described her as a restaurant owner “known for her ability to keep sometimes rowdy customers out of trouble and always had a warm meal for someone who otherwise would not have anything to eat that evening.”

Successful family
Records show that Major Hasan had received his undergraduate degree at Virginia Tech University and his medical degree at the Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences in Bethesda, Md.

He did his residency at Walter Reed Medical Center and then worked there for several years before being transferred to the Darnell Army Medical Center at Fort Hood earlier this year.

Major Hasan was not married and had two brothers, one living in Virginia and another in Jerusalem, his cousin said. The family, by and large, had prospered in the United States, with various members working in law, banking and medicine, Mr. Hasan said.

Nader Hasan, 40, a lawyer living in Northern Virginia, described his cousin as a respectful, hard-working man who had devoted himself to his parents and his career.

He said his cousin had been a practicing Muslim who had become more devout after the deaths of his parents, in 1998 and 2001. But he said he had not expressed anti-American views or radical ideas.

“His parents didn’t want him to go into the military,” Mr. Hasan said. “He said, ‘No, I was born and raised here, I’m going to do my duty to the country.’ ”

David Johnston contributed from Washington.

This article, Hasan Was ‘Mortified’ About Deployment to War, appeared first in The New York Times.

Copyright © 2009 The New York Times

NYT: Suspect mortified about deployment - The New York Times- msnbc.com (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33704314/ns/us_news-the_new_york_times/)

kwame k

11-06-2009, 10:04 AM

Not buying the, didn't want to deploy......for Christ's sake he was a psychiatrist!

His tour of duty would be a walk in the park.

ULTRAMAN VH

11-06-2009, 10:17 AM

Not buying the, didn't want to deploy......for Christ's sake he was a psychiatrist!

His tour of duty would be a walk in the park.

Agreed, and you can't join the military and not expect to be deployed. It is part of the job description. He had to know that before signing on the dotted line.:umm: The media should be ashamed of their coverage of this tragedy. Other than hearing the number 13, nothing has been said about the victims and the 13 families who will be attending their funerals. I don't want to hear excuses for this act of terrorism or the politically correct appeasement the media uses when horrible events like this take place.

BITEYOASS

11-06-2009, 11:51 AM

All I have to say is: WHO RECRUITED THIS MOTHERFUCKIN RAGHEAD?!?!?

I bet anyone unit that has somebody from a muslim nation other than Turkey or Kurdistan, is probably keeping a close watch on them.

FORD

11-06-2009, 12:40 PM

This particular "raghead" was born in Virginia, and was in the military long before Chimpy's wars started. So there's no basis to say he signed up just to kill Americans.

ZahZoo

11-06-2009, 01:22 PM

BITEYOASS

11-06-2009, 01:30 PM

Usually people I knew who wanted to get out the military that bad just went AWOL, made up some BS about them being gay or smoked a joint before seeing the CO.

FORD

11-06-2009, 01:32 PM

If the reports are correct this guy joined up as a patriotic american wanting to do his part. As a psychiatrist his job was helping and listening to horrors of war from his patients...

What doesn't make sense is if he joined out of high school and is 39 years old... why would he have a problem getting out of the military in the last few years. He's damn near eligible for full retirement.

I've heard it's because his particular specialty - shrink dealing with traumatic stress - is so rare, that they have about one such doctor for every 700 soldiers. So the Army "strongly encourages" them to stay in. Maybe now, they'll rethink that policy?

LoungeMachine

11-06-2009, 01:50 PM

: The media should be ashamed of their coverage of this tragedy.

Other than hearing the number 13, nothing has been said about the victims and the 13 families who will be attending their funerals.

Get serious, will ya?

You actually want the "media" bombarding the families with cameras, microphones, and questions??????????

What is it you feel you need to know? How much they hurt? How their lives are crushed?

WTF.

Seshmeister

11-06-2009, 02:12 PM

Usually people I knew who wanted to get out the military that bad just went AWOL, made up some BS about them being gay or smoked a joint before seeing the CO.

How long do people sign up for at a time these days?

Surely by now anyone in the military signed after these bullshit wars had started?

ULTRAMAN VH

11-06-2009, 02:31 PM

Hats off to Sgt. Kimberly Munley for confronting Hasan head on and stopping this mad man's killing spree. She is a courageous selfless hero!

Va Beach VH Fan

11-06-2009, 02:45 PM

He's damn near eligible for full retirement.

Basically true, pension and benefits for life, albeit with premiums for you and your family for medical/dental that were free during active duty....

For pay, at 20 years, you get 1/2 your base pay and a couple of extras....

As you stay active duty longer, that percentage goes up....

It's been a while since I've looked ('cause I got mine, dammit), but I believe the percentage stops at 75% base pay after you hit 30 years....

But in reference to this guy, it's too obvious to me now, this is solely an ideology issue....

LoungeMachine

11-06-2009, 02:57 PM

But in reference to this guy, it's too obvious to me now, this is solely an ideology issue....

Agreed.

File it under: "I'll show you my own war"

He'll go the way of McVey.

BITEYOASS

11-06-2009, 03:26 PM

How long do people sign up for at a time these days?

Surely by now anyone in the military signed after these bullshit wars had started?

You'd figure that people would realize by now that joining the military means that you might go to war.

That's like working in the porn industry and not expecting to have sex.

Kristy

11-06-2009, 04:47 PM

All I have to say is: WHO RECRUITED THIS MOTHERFUCKIN RAGHEAD?!?!?

Got some unfounded paranoid issues swimming around in that head of yours? Why not go to his hospital room and beat him to death with your Bible, asshole?

To me, if you're giving thoughts as to why Hasan went on a killing spree chances are good that he's heard this kind of talk aimed at his cultural background his whole life. Now, I'm not in any way forgiving that douchebag for calculating and taking the life of innocent and defenseless but something had to be stirring inside of his soul to make him snap like he did.

Personally, this whole tragedy makes me sick - as in real physically sick. Anybody who has lost a loved one knows the pain, anger, and sadness it can bring especially in such a violent and bizarre circumstance such as this. I've never been one to be a bandwagon jumper and slop a decal on my car that "Support Our Troops" believing that's all there is to it while someone who has return from Iraq is trying to cope with their life as a amputee or paraplegic. That whole blind patriotic rhetoric fucks me off more than anything. Support means giving of yourself to another who can't stand on their own quite yet. And if that sounds "socialist" to you then fuck you, too - go slap another sticker on your bumper.

This "war" in Iraq has become more and more meaningless each day with countless numbers of innocents dying, untold suffering and just the general ugliness of it all. All the "we're doing good over there" and "Mission accomplished" horsehit can no longer hide the horrid fact that this is affecting out troops on psychological levels that have never been seen before while military babbles on like a mutant infant on how to handle such a terrible mess.

So BITEYOURASS, all I have to say to you is fuck you for making such a hatred-filled statement that only fuels fires inside of people such as Hasan. No doubt Hasan is a fuckface who deserves to have his ass kicked (where in line do I have to wait to get my turn?) but is really beyond anyone's personal retribution except for a military firing squad as sunrise (with no last meal) but your not helping anyone here by saying that. Hate in any form always has a profound way of making itself known in the most despicable ways possible.

BITEYOASS

11-06-2009, 05:03 PM

Got some unfounded paranoid issues swimming around in that head of yours? Why not go to his hospital room and beat him to death with your Bible, asshole?

To me, if you're giving thoughts as to why Hasan went on a killing spree chances are good that he's heard this kind of talk aimed at his cultural background his whole life. Now, I'm not in any way forgiving that douchebag for calculating and taking the life of innocent and defenseless but something had to be stirring inside of his soul to make him snap like he did.

Personally, this whole tragedy makes me sick - as in real physically sick. Anybody who has lost a loved one knows the pain, anger, and sadness it can bring especially in such a violent and bizarre circumstance such as this. I've never been one to be a bandwagon jumper and slop a decal on my car that "Support Our Troops" believing that's all there is to it while someone who has return from Iraq is trying to cope with their life as a amputee or paraplegic. That whole blind patriotic rhetoric fucks me off more than anything. Support means giving of yourself to another who can't stand on their own quite yet. And if that sounds "socialist" to you then fuck you, too - go slap another sticker on your bumper.

This "war" in Iraq has become more and more meaningless each day with countless numbers of innocents dying, untold suffering and just the general ugliness of it all. All the "we're doing good over there" and "Mission accomplished" horsehit can no longer hide the horrid fact that this is affecting out troops on psychological levels that have never been seen before while military babbles on like a mutant infant on how to handle such a terrible mess.

So BITEYOURASS, all I have to say to you is fuck you for making such a hatred-filled statement that only fuels fires inside of people such as Hasan. No doubt Hasan is a fuckface who deserves to have his ass kicked (where in line do I have to wait to get my turn?) but is really beyond anyone's personal retribution except for a military firing squad as sunrise (with no last meal) but your not helping anyone here by saying that. Hate in any form always has a profound way of making itself known in the most despicable ways possible.

Actually, I've been in the military and don't take kindly to people who tried to kill me a few years back, SO FUCK YOU! :fucku2::fupunk:

Kristy

11-06-2009, 05:23 PM

Actually, I've been in the military and don't take kindly to people who tried to kill me a few years back, SO FUCK YOU! :fucku2::fupunk:

Well good for you, asshole. But your general statement still doesn't justify shit.

hideyoursheep

11-07-2009, 05:23 AM

Got some unfounded paranoid issues swimming around in that head of yours? Why not go to his hospital room and beat him to death with your Bible, asshole?

Easy, Kristy.

It isn't too far fetched for an extremist to join the military, assimilate and go undetected. It's happened before. An Egyptian guy in SF at Bragg, I think. Hated Sadat....ever heard that one?

Then there was that fragging incident during the early stages of the Iraq invasion..

At least wait until the Feds sift through all his shit before you start assuming the wrong thing. You too, BYA.

hideyoursheep

11-07-2009, 05:39 AM

Regardless of his motivation,

He. Should. Fucking. Hang.

Sensible Shoes

11-07-2009, 07:31 AM

I've never been one to be a bandwagon jumper and slop a decal on my car that "Support Our Troops" believing that's all there is to it while someone who has return from Iraq is trying to cope with their life as a amputee or paraplegic. That whole blind patriotic rhetoric fucks me off more than anything. Support means giving of yourself to another who can't stand on their own quite yet. And if that sounds "socialist" to you then fuck you, too - go slap another sticker on your bumper..

While some people might think that "support our troops" means supporting the war or the military and government that's creating the war, it really means "support our troops". That is, the men and women as individuals who are putting their lives on the line - and not just while they're serving overseas. I think it's possible to "support our troops" and not support the war at all. But it means you also have to support the mentality of loyalty and desire to serve their country that makes these people sign up in the first place - then support the soldiers when that idealism might fail them. And especially after they return and try to adjust back to life in the states after witnessing life as most of us will never experience it.

As most things boil down in life, it's about respecting and taking care of other individuals. Supporting or not supporting the war is taking issue with policies of a government, and or the people who run it.

Small distinction, but an important one I think. And this has nothing to do with Hassan. He can rot in hell and I hope he does.

thome

11-07-2009, 09:35 AM

Regardless of his motivation,

He. Should. Fucking. Hang.

But BCE shouldn't randomly kill every rat bastard he has in his sights ...

Hang one Hang e'm ALL!!

you qualify

but cannot justify

what is done is done.

to late to place blame.

just reek out your justice without equal rights having a place in your sentence.

here is a baseball bat

everyday is just like the other

standin

11-07-2009, 10:45 AM

thome

11-07-2009, 10:55 AM

All I have to say is: WHO RECRUITED THIS MOTHERFUCKIN RAGHEAD?!?!?

I bet anyone unit that has somebody from a muslim nation other than Turkey or Kurdistan, is probably keeping a close watch on them.

they are in our universities, and all over the world learning what they are told to learn

sometimes they take the knowlege back to the godhead sometimes they just fade away

it doesn't matter where he was born

and they is a slander term, and a word used with truth

they bust old ladies on the head for thier drug monie
they kill for thier reasons

But if America wont stand up who will

they are everywhere

Nickdfresh

11-07-2009, 12:43 PM

they are in our universities, and all over the world learning what they are told to learn

sometimes they take the knowlege back to the godhead sometimes they just fade away
...

Why don't you go to a university and learn something?

Nitro Express

11-07-2009, 04:59 PM

Since some muslims have a bad tendancy to kill people and blow things up, there's nothing wrong with being suspicious of them. Only a dummy turns their back on a potential enemy. Ask the people vacationing in Bali, or people riding the subway in Madrid and London. The people working in the office in the World Trade Center. Are all Muslims assholes? No. But when it's members of that particular group of people who cause havoc in the world, they are going to be viewed differently.

We could deport them or throw them into camps like we did the Japanese Americans so give me a break. I think we as a country have treated members of the Muslim faith pretty good considering what has happened regarding this terrorism business.

Nitro Express

11-07-2009, 05:02 PM

As the world economy worsens and the bankers run out of tricks that only means more war. People will be looking for scape goats and the politicians will fan the flames. This is only the begining. It's going to get ugly. Really ugly.

standin

11-07-2009, 07:01 PM

Previous Massacres

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/53/Cho_Seung-hui_3.jpg/150px-Cho_Seung-hui_3.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/ef/Harrisklebold.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/6/6c/Jeff_Weise.jpg/216px-Jeff_Weise.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c5/Charles_Carl_Roberts_mugshot.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/6/69/Kazmierczak_Steven_300.jpg/125px-Kazmierczak_Steven_300.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2600/3971673171_f2c4a867e8_o.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e5/BartonMark.jpg

http://www.grandforksherald.com/media/full/jpg/2009/11/06/1107orlandoshooting.jpg

Nickdfresh

11-07-2009, 07:29 PM

Since some muslims have a bad tendancy to kill people and blow things up, there's nothing wrong with being suspicious of them....We could deport them or throw them into camps like we did the Japanese Americans so give me a break. I think we as a country have treated members of the Muslim faith pretty good considering what has happened regarding this terrorism business.

Or maybe we could just firebomb their cities and burn their women and children to death like we good Christians did the the actual Japanese in WWII?

kwame k

11-07-2009, 08:01 PM

...or genocide it up like we did to the Natives here, or enslave a race of people, or invade a sovereign Nation, etc......

ULTRAMAN VH

11-08-2009, 09:38 AM

Get serious, will ya?

You actually want the "media" bombarding the families with cameras, microphones, and questions??????????

What is it you feel you need to know? How much they hurt? How their lives are crushed?

WTF.

No I don't want the media bombarding the families, but the media has done nothing but make excuses for this terrorist murdering bastard and if the families want to express their anger via the biased PC based media than they should have the right.

Nickdfresh

11-08-2009, 09:51 AM

No I don't want the media bombarding the families, but the media has done nothing but make excuses for this terrorist murdering bastard and if the families want to express their anger via the biased PC based media than they should have the right.

WTF are you talking about? What "excuses?"

ZahZoo

11-08-2009, 11:55 AM

How long do people sign up for at a time these days?

Surely by now anyone in the military signed after these bullshit wars had started?

It's generally 6-8 years depending on branch and job. They mix it with basic training, specialized training, job, combat stints, & add two years of non-active duty with an option to call up. Most of it is broken out in two year segments.

hideyoursheep

11-08-2009, 08:51 PM

But BCE shouldn't randomly kill every rat bastard he has in his sights ...

Hang one Hang e'm ALL!!
:sign0090:

ULTRAMAN VH

11-09-2009, 07:47 AM

[Ralph Peters For the NY Post] On Thursday afternoon, a radicalized Muslim US Army officer shouting, “Allahu akbar!” (”God is great!”) committed the worst act of terror on American soil since 9/11. And no one wants to call it an act of terror or associate it with Islam.

What cowards we are. Political correctness killed those patriotic Americans at Fort Hood as surely as the Islamist gunman did. And the media treat it like a case of nondenominational shoplifting.

This was a terrorist act. When an extremist plans and executes a murderous plot against our unarmed soldiers to protest our efforts to counter Islamist fanatics, it’s an act of terror. Period.

When the terrorist posts anti-American hate speech on the Web; apparently praises suicide bombers and uses his own name; loudly criticizes US policies; argues (as a psychiatrist, no less) with his military patients over the worth of their sacrifices; refuses, in the name of Islam, to be photographed with female colleagues; lists his nationality as “Palestinian” in a Muslim spouse-matching program and parades around central Texas in a fundamentalist playsuit — well, it only seems fair to call this terrorist an “Islamist terrorist.”

But the president won’t. Despite his promise to get to all the facts. Because there’s no such thing as “Islamist terrorism” in ObamaWorld.

And the Army won’t. Because its senior leaders are so sick with political correctness that pandering to America haters is safer than calling terrorism “terrorism.”

And the media won’t. Because they have more interest in the shooter than in our troops — despite their crocodile tears.

Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan planned this terrorist attack and executed it in cold blood. The resulting massacre was the first tragedy. The second was that he wasn’t killed on the spot.

Hasan survived. Now the rest of us will have to foot his massive medical bills. Activist lawyers will get involved, claiming “harassment” drove him temporarily insane. There’ll be no end of trial delays. At best, taxpayer dollars will fund his prison lifestyle for decades to come, since our politically correct Army leadership wouldn’t dare pursue or carry out the death penalty.

Maj. Hasan will be a hero to Islamist terrorists abroad and their sympathizers here. While US Muslim organizations decry his acts publicly, Hasan will be praised privately. And he’ll have the last laugh.

But Hasan isn’t the sole guilty party. The US Army’s unforgivable political correctness is also to blame for the casualties at Fort Hood.

Given the myriad warning signs, it’s appalling that no action was taken against a man apparently known to praise suicide bombers and openly damn US policy. But no officer in his chain of command, either at Walter Reed Army Medical Center or at Fort Hood, had the guts to take meaningful action against a dysfunctional soldier and an incompetent doctor.

Had Hasan been a Lutheran or a Methodist, he would’ve been gone with the simoom. But officers fear charges of discrimination when faced with misconduct among protected minorities.

Now 12 soldiers and a security guard lie dead. At least 38 people were wounded, 28 of them seriously. If heads don’t roll in this maggot’s chain of command, the Army will have shamed itself beyond moral redemption.

There’s another important issue, too. How could the Army allow an obviously incompetent and dysfunctional psychiatrist to treat our troubled soldiers returning from war? An Islamist wacko is counseled for arguing with veterans who’ve been assigned to his care? And he’s not removed from duty? What planet does the Army live on?

For the first time since I joined the Army in 1976, I’m ashamed of its dereliction of duty. The chain of command protected a budding terrorist who was waving one red flag after another. Because it was safer for careers than doing something about him.

Get ready for the apologias. We’ve already heard from the terrorist’s family that “he’s a good American.” In their world, maybe he is.

But when do we, the American public, knock off the PC nonsense?

A disgruntled Muslim soldier murdered his officers way back in 2003, in Kuwait, on the eve of Operation Iraqi Freedom. Recently? An American mullah shoots it out with the feds in Detroit. A Muslim fanatic attacks an Arkansas recruiting station. A Muslim media owner, after playing the peace card, beheads his wife. A Muslim father runs over his daughter because she’s becoming too Westernized.

Muslim terrorist wannabes are busted again and again. And we’re assured that “Islam’s a religion of peace.”

I guarantee you that the Obama administration’s nonresponse to the Fort Hood attack will mock the memory of our dead.

(Source: NY Post)

Va Beach VH Fan

11-09-2009, 09:46 AM

Is anyone really surprised ???

Fort Hood Shooter Tried to Contact al Qaeda Terrorists, Officials Say - ABC News (http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/fort-hood-shooter-contact-al-qaeda-terrorists-officials/story?id=9030873)

Officials: U.S. Aware of Hasan Efforts to Contact al Qaeda

Army Major in Fort Hood Massacre Used 'Electronic Means' to Connect with Terrorists

By RICHARD ESPOSITO, MATTHEW COLE and BRIAN ROSS
Nov. 9, 2009

U.S. intelligence agencies were aware months ago that Army Major Nidal Hasan was attempting to make contact with people associated with al Qaeda, two American officials briefed on classified material in the case told ABC News.

Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan tried to make contact with people linked to al Qaeda.It is not known whether the intelligence agencies informed the Army that one of its officers was seeking to connect with suspected al Qaeda figures, the officials said.

One senior lawmaker said the CIA had, so far, refused to brief the intelligence committees on what, if any, knowledge they had about Hasan's efforts.

CIA director Leon Panetta and the Director of National Intelligence, Dennis Blair, have been asked by Congress "to preserve" all documents and intelligence files that relate to Hasan, according to the lawmaker.

On Sunday, Senator Joseph Lieberman (D-CT) called for an investigation into whether the Army missed signs as to whether Hasan was an Islamic extremist.

"If Hasan was showing signs, saying to people that he had become an Islamist extremist, the U.S. Army has to have a zero tolerance," Lieberman told Fox News Sunday.

Investigators want to know if Hasan maintained contact with a radical mosque leader from Virginia, Anwar al Awlaki, who now lives in Yemen and runs a web site that promotes jihad around the world against the U.S.

In a blog posting early Monday titled "Nidal Hassan Did the Right Thing," Awlaki calls Hassan a "hero" and a "man of conscience who could not bear living the contradiction of being a Muslim and serving in an army that is fighting against his own people."

According to his site, Awlaki served as an imam in Denver, San Diego and Falls Church, Virginia.

The Associated Press reported Sunday that Major Hasan attended the Falls Church mosque when Awlaki was there.

The Telegraph of London reported that Awlaki had made contact with two of the 9/11 hijackers when he was in San Diego.

He denied any knowledge of the hijacking plot and was never charged with any crime. After an intensive investigation by the FBI, Awlaki moved to Yemen.

People who knew or worked with Hasan say he seemed to have gradually become more radical in his disapproval of the war in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Sensible Shoes

11-09-2009, 09:54 AM

The Ralph Peters article for the NY Post is the BEST thing I have read in eons. 2 thumbs up - America needs to stop the PC nonsense

thome

11-09-2009, 10:39 AM

Why don't you go to a university and learn something?

So I can learn to think inside the box.

Mind control from mental migets.

With inflated egos.

Because of their incredible ability to read ..

You evidently worship at the knee of a so called professor.

Just keep doing that for me.

and report back on these boards.

Sensible Shoes

11-09-2009, 11:19 AM

11AM Monday - Hassan is awake and apparently talking.

ZahZoo

11-09-2009, 11:24 AM

Well this morning they've discovered he wasn't the nice devoted muslim his family has made him out to be... gasp... he hung out at a sleazy strip club, preferred blondes and was a great tipper!!

Alleged Fort Hood Shooter Frequented Local Strip Club - Local News | News Articles | National News | US News - FOXNews.com (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,573052,00.html)

Kristy

11-09-2009, 01:28 PM

Look, all I'm saying is that BITEYOURASS's statement was uncalled for. In no way am I'm going down the racist route but I always believed the term "raghead" is far more cultural than racial. Even with that said don't you think Hasan heard that being said to him too many a time and I'm not throwing out conjecture here, either. Chances are he was insulted for his cultural background and all he needed was to associate himself with other idiotic radical fucks to have an excuse for a killing spree.

Seems to me that if there is a pattern with those who go on killing sprees (apart from postal workers in the early 90's which remains a mystery to me) in that those who pick up a semi-automatic rifle or handgun do so out of sheer anger because they've been bullied and their sensitive nature has no way of dealing with the fallout of being insulted. Look at those pukes from Columbine: both of them came from nice homes, had nice things (one even drove a BMW for fuck's sake) and were probably raised on this bullshit premise that parents instill on their kids that they are so unique and special until reality comes along and says different. "Oh no! Somebody called me an asshole or a dipshit. A girl rejected me! I'll show them." What was the motive behind that one jerk who decided to blow away a few of his fellow classmates at Virgina Tech...that he couldn't get laid?

My point is, like I ever had one, is that the motive for such heinous crimes goes beyond their cultural background and is rooted into something far more psychological. My guess with Hasan is he wasn't killing innocents in the name of Allah as he was in the name of being angry. Even if he was a medical doctor he was evaluated as being a terrible one, seemed to lack little in the way of social skills, had little interaction with people other than on a professional level and most of all, felt his views on opposing a war weren't not being heard. I'm not making excuses for that shithead - he deserves immediate death by military firing squad (and some off the record ass-kicking) rather than a life sentence in Leavenworth but to call him a raghead only perpetuates more hate.

Nickdfresh

11-09-2009, 01:36 PM

Kristy

11-09-2009, 01:48 PM

Then again, if he did end up in a military prison such as Leavenworth it wouldn't be long before somebody puts a shank into his skull. Either way, his lifespan is over.

FORD

11-09-2009, 01:49 PM

Great.....

Let's allow Murdoch flunkies like Ralph Sucks Peters and AIPAC cocksuckers like Joe Liberdouche turn this into "9-11" volume two, and the next thing you know, they'll have the sheeple convinced that its tied to Iran somehow.

FUCK THIS BULLSHIT.

This was one lunatic ASSHOLE working on behalf of himself, probably reacting to all the abuse directed at him because of his religion.

Does that justify his actions? Fuck no. Execute the son of a bitch. But don't make this into more "War on Terra" hysterical fucking bullshit.

Because this has even LESS to do with that fucking fiction than Iraq did.

Nickdfresh

11-09-2009, 01:51 PM

So I can learn to think inside the box.

Mind control from mental migets.

With inflated egos.

Then why the fuck would you care if Muslims went to them?

Mental "migets," yeah right, "hand worker."

Because of their incredible ability to read ..

More like your apparently inability to do so...

You evidently worship at the knee of a so called professor.

Not really. I could give fuckall about most of them. But that doesn't mean reading their texts doesn't have great value...

Secondly, you don't really need a college professor at all - just a decent library of books...

Just keep doing that for me.

and report back on these boards.

You mean spoon feed you your baby food for uneducated fucktards? 'Kay.

Kristy

11-09-2009, 01:54 PM

Great.....

Let's allow Murdoch flunkies like Ralph Sucks Peters and AIPAC cocksuckers like Joe Liberdouche turn this into "9-11" volume two, and the next thing you know, they'll have the sheeple convinced that its tied to Iran somehow.

FUCK THIS BULLSHIT.

Why do you get so easily upset over that when you already know Peters is nothing more than a self-serving media whore who will say anything in front of a camera lens? Okay, he might speak to the uneducated masses (for that's how he makes his money) but no one with any sense takes his sorry ass seriously.

thome

11-09-2009, 02:02 PM

Kristy

11-09-2009, 02:08 PM

The guy was a rag head he wore rags on his head us super advanced cultures have parlayed tha' concept of protecting your head into things of a super complex entity we call hats.

Still rags just the same.

The only reason I am posting against your post is this is the 2nd time you have blamed everyone except the rag head for his meltdown killing spree.

and you are making excuses

If calling him a raghead sent him over the edge making fun of his heritage sent him over the edge those are lables he himself believed and it doesn't matter what or when someone places the last straw on camel riders back.

Someday maybe the muslims will realize, Hey you know what, maybe we are as race, as a belief system, perhaps we are a bunch of selfish sadistic assholes .

That we have created a belief system and perverted it to our own undiong by creating infinite constrictions, on the words we made up.

FIGHT THE POWER~

No clue as to what in the hell you just said.

FORD

11-09-2009, 02:12 PM

Why do you get so easily upset over that when you already know Peters is nothing more than a self-serving media whore who will say anything in front of a camera lens? Okay, he might speak to the uneducated masses (for that's how he makes his money) but no one with any sense takes his sorry ass seriously.

Nobody with any sense believes ANYTHING from a Murdoch owned media outlet. Unfortunately there are millions of senseless sheeple out there.

And I'm just in a shitty mood in general today. This bullshit, the lack of healthcare reform, shitty goddamn weather with no end of it in sight, and a whole lot of other shit I'm not even going into. So take anything I say today with a huge grain of salt.

thome

11-09-2009, 02:14 PM

No clue as to what in the hell you just said.

The clue is in the opening of your mind .

Without confirmation bias and overconfidence.

Kristy

11-09-2009, 02:17 PM

Nobody with any sense believes ANYTHING from a Murdoch owned media outlet. Unfortunately there are millions of senseless sheeple out there.

And I'm just in a shitty mood in general today. This bullshit, the lack of healthcare reform, shitty goddamn weather with no end of it in sight, and a whole lot of other shit I'm not even going into. So take anything I say today with a huge grain of salt.

Okay, just asking. If you let such mindless crap like Fox News get the best of you, you'll go prematurely gray and risk a heart attack. It's good to turn them off for a long while. Don't worry they'll still be around spewing the same disinformational bullshit when you get back.

Kristy

11-09-2009, 02:18 PM

The clue is in the opening of your mind.

I suppose one has to open themselves up to your crazy sentence structure first.

FORD

11-09-2009, 02:22 PM

Okay, just asking. If you let such mindless crap like Fox News get the best of you, you'll go prematurely gray and risk a heart attack. It's good to turn them off for a long while. Don't worry they'll still be around spewing the same disinformational bullshit when you get back.

The prematurely gray part is already happening, unfortunately. :(

thome

11-09-2009, 02:30 PM

I suppose one has to open themselves up to your crazy sentence structure first.

One has to do something first in order to understand.

If all you can see is the structure of the sentence ...you should skip to sentence two.

Or you could care less .

It is the same price.

hambon4lif

11-09-2009, 03:10 PM

Sensible Shoes

11-09-2009, 03:31 PM

Kristy I get your point. I'd go you one further and say that the entire radical Muslim movement is fueled by anger, sometimes pointless, and has been for centuries. And in essense, it almost doesn't have much to do with Hassan. Individuals can thing whatever they want - but control yourself when you feel like shooting people. Can you imagine what things would be like if WE (here on this board) didn't have that self control? We'd all be dead - and in the name of David Lee Roth! Now that would be some SAD shit. :D

standin

11-09-2009, 04:08 PM

So I can learn to think inside the box.

Mind control from mental migets.

With inflated egos.

Because of their incredible ability to read ..

.

:lmao:

standin

11-09-2009, 04:16 PM

This is falling right in with research I was doing during the week concerning Operational and Conceptual definitions concerning crime.

I am not at liberty to publish here what I wrote for another source, but I did come across this journal.

November 8, 2009 7:27 PM
When Muslims Commit Violence?

Posted by Charles Cooper (http://www.rotharmy.com/sections/blogs/coopscorner/main504365.shtml?contributor=45915)

http://wwwimage.cbsnews.com/images/2009/11/06/image5550588x.jpg

[/URL]Writing in The Atlantic Jeffrey Goldberg has an unremarkable [URL="http://jeffreygoldberg.theatlantic.com/archives/2009/11/when_muslims_commit_violent_ac.php"]post (http://wwwimage.cbsnews.com/images/2009/11/06/image5550588x.jpg) about the Fort Hood shootings with the quite remarkable headline "When Muslims Commit Violence." Goldberg takes issue with colleagues Megan McArdle, (http://meganmcardle.theatlantic.com/archives/2009/11/the_evil_that_men_do.php) James Fallows (http://jamesfallows.theatlantic.com/archives/2009/11/the_meaninglessness_of_shootin.php) and the Atlantic Wire, (http://www.theatlanticwire.com/opinions/view/opinion/When-a-Muslim-American-Killer-Is-in-The-News-1530) for ignoring the religion of the alleged shooter, Nidal Hasan, as relevant to any inquiry into motivation. He believes that it is.

"It seems, though, that when an American military officer who is a practicing Muslim allegedly shoots forty of his fellow soldiers who are about to deploy to the two wars the United States is currently fighting in Muslim countries, some broader meaning might, over time, be discerned, especially if the officer did, in fact, yell "Allahu Akbar" while murdering his fellow soldiers, as some soldiers say he did," (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/06/fort-hood-shooting-suspect-alive) he writes.

I have no idea what would motivate someone to carry out this heinous crime. Maybe religion was involved. But only days after the shootings how can anyone be sure? On NBC's Meet the Press, (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33752275/ns/meet_the_press/) the U.S. Army's Chief of Staff Gen. George Casey urged the public not to rush to conclusions and referred to reports about so-called early warning signs about Hasan's behavior as "speculation" based on anecdotes. But what does he know?

Connecticut's Sen. Joe Lieberman went on Fox News Sunday (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/11/08/lieberman-announces-investigation-fort-hood-shooting/) to press for an investigation because, he said, Hasan reportedly "showed signs of being a "self-radicalized, homegrown terrorist." Lieberman may have missed delivery of his Sunday New York Times, which carried word (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/08/us/08investigate.html?_r=1&partner=rss&emc=rss) that investigators have tentatively concluded that Hasan, an army Major, was not part of a terrorist plot.

Lieberman did allow that it was premature to get into the question of motivation. No such hesitation, though, from the usual crowd of gasbags and grandstanders who have already settled on a pot boiler narrative.

The predictable Michelle Malkin describes Hasan, (http://michellemalkin.com/2009/11/06/the-massacre-at-fort-hood-and-muslim-soldiers-with-attitude) who was born in the United States, as a "Muslim soldier." Of course, we're all being kept in the dark because of the "whitewashing of jihad by the (mainstream media.") She goes on: "I’ve said it many times over the years and it bears repeating again as cable TV talking heads ask in bewilderment how all the red flags Hasan raised could have been ignored: Political correctness is the handmaiden of terror."

Malkin also uses the occasion to remind her readers that as far back as 2003 she had been writing about "Muslim soldiers with attitude." (Muslim soliders with attitude?) That's quite a statement. But scroll through the archives to read how she reacted (http://michellemalkin.com/2009/06/10/shooting-at-national-holocaust-museum/) after James von Brunn, an 88-year-old white supremacist, was arrested in the shooting at the National Holocaust Museum. The shooter `wasn’t "left” or “right," she wrote at the time - he was "just plain loony." Fair enough, but if Hasan is a "Muslim soldier," would that make the shooter arrested for murdering abortion doctor George Tiller (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31029377) a "Christian terrorist." After all, there were suspicions that he was involved with a radical Christian movement. (http://blogs.jta.org/telegraph/article/2009/06/03/1005605/roeders-religion) No need to email, Michelle, I have a pretty good idea how you'd answer that one.

Meanwhile, Malkin's ideological fellow traveler at Allahpundit (http://hotair.com/archives/2009/11/07/report-hasan-attended-same-radical-mosque-as-911-hijackers) cites chapter and verse from a Guardian (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/6521758/Fort-Hood-shooting-Texas-army-killer-linked-to-September-11-terrorists.html) piece to conclude Hasan was a "typical fundamentalist Muslim.</LINK> That's quite a statement considering there are more than 1.2 billion Muslims around the world. How many are "fundamentalist" and what does mean - especially in an American context?I don't expect an answer to that question either. Of course, this crowd isn't interested in nuance. They are lucky enough to be endowed with the rare capacity of performing long-range psychoanalyses to offer declarative conclusions long before investigators render their final verdicts.

We should all be so fortunate.

When Muslims Commit Violence? - Coop's Corner - CBS News (http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/11/08/blogs/coopscorner/entry5580383.shtml)

standin

11-09-2009, 04:30 PM

This is a separate comment that goes in a slightly separate direction than the other comment that is why the two posts.

I came across this offbeat Journal. I am having a bit more trouble with analysis for its content. I cannot quite tell if it is extremist or not.

Conspiracy vultures descend on Fort Hood shootings

Submitted by Bill Weinberg on Mon, 11/09/2009 - 03:34. Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, the presumed gunman in the deadly Fort Hood shootings, worshipped at Dar al-Hijrah mosque in Great Falls, VA, led by a radical imam said to be a "spiritual adviser" to three of the apparent 9-11 hijackers—two of whom attended the mosque at the same time as Hasan, the UK's Sunday Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/6521758/Fort-Hood-shooting-Texas-army-killer-linked-to-September-11-terrorists.html) reported Nov. 7. The funeral of Hasan's mother was held there in May of the same year, 2001. The preacher at the time was Anwar al-Awlaki (http://www.anwar-alawlaki.com/), an American-born Yemeni scholar who was banned from addressing a meeting in London by video link this August because he is accused of supporting attacks on British troops and backing terrorist organizations.
Al-Awlaki moved from the west coast to become imam at Dar al-Hijrah in January 2001. Three months later presumed 9-11 hijackers Nawaf al-Hamzi (http://ww4report.com/static/51.html#shadows4) and Hani Hanjour (http://ww4report.com/static/37.html#shadows12) began attending his services. A third hijacker attended his services in California. (A Nov. 9 commentary on al-Awlaki's blog heartwarmingly states, "Nidal Hassan Did the Right Thing (http://www.anwar-alawlaki.com/?p=228).")
The annoying conspiranoids at Citizens for Legitimate Government (http://www.legitgov.org/attack_on_fort_hood_051109.html) seize on this to editorialize on the "Manchurian Candidate-style" nature of the Fort Hood massacre. Pretty funny, eh? As we've noted before (http://www.ww4report.com/node/7603#comment-317594), this is kind of like a Rorschach test. The right wing will look at the same facts and see evidence of the inherent evil of Islam. (See this choice bit of salivation from the Camden County Conservative Examiner (http://www.examiner.com/x-19697-Camden-County-Conservative-Examiner~y2009m11d6-Allah-not-George-W-Bush-is-responsible-for-the-Fort-Hood-tragedy)). Each are convinced that their interpretation is not only right, but the only obvious one.
CLG also links to a Nov. 7 Reuters (http://www.reuters.com/article/latestCrisis/idUSL7505069) report from Hasan's grandfather asserting that "it is impossible that he would do something like that." Under the headline "Curiouser and Curiouser", CLG adds:

Major Hasan's name appears on page 29 of The George Washington University Homeland Security Policy Institute's 'Thinking Anew—Security Priorities for the Next Administration' —Proceedings Report of the HSPI Presidential Transition Task Force - April 2008 - January 2009.
We fail to see what's so curious about it. Is it unlikely that an army psychologist would attend such an event? Is it the sort of affair where a "Manchurian Candidate" is likely to be programmed?
CLG also adds—without providing links, dates or headlines for the CNN citations:

* CNN: Over one hundred shots were fired in the attack. (Logic dictates that 'over one hundred shots' were not fired by a single individual, surrounded by military personnel and special police forces.)
* CNN: FBI was investigating Major Nidal Hasan six months ago.
We'll be more convinced about the unlikelihood of one shooter getting off over 100 shots when we hear it from a forensic specialist. And we'll be more convinced that the FBI investigated Hasan when we actually see the CNN story. (A Google News search does not turn it up.)
CLG is more than welcome to reply.
See our last posts on 9-11 conspiranoia (http://ww4report.com/node/7888) and the struggle within Islam (http://ww4report.com/node/7825).

Conspiracy vultures descend on Fort Hood shootings | World War 4 Report (http://www.ww4report.com/node/7920)

Nitro Express

11-09-2009, 05:17 PM

Fox News mind tricks won't work on me. I've already turned grey and already had a heart attack.

Nitro Express

11-09-2009, 05:21 PM

Or maybe we could just firebomb their cities and burn their women and children to death like we good Christians did the the actual Japanese in WWII?

You just defined war. Actually, I think this is where we are heading. The banks and politicians have no other tricks left other than to take us to war. The bankers love war, they make lots of money. So it's not so much about religion as it is about bankers and politicians exploiting religion.

Little Texan

11-09-2009, 09:15 PM

11AM Monday - Hassan is awake and apparently talking.

That's too bad. IMO, they waited too long to take this piece of shit off of life support...should've been done days ago.

hideyoursheep

11-11-2009, 03:06 AM

Fox News mind tricks won't work on me. I've already turned grey and already had a heart attack.

Did you lose your remote?

hideyoursheep

11-11-2009, 03:19 AM

Look, all I'm saying is that BITEYOURASS's statement was uncalled for. In no way am I'm going down the racist route but I always believed the term "raghead" is far more cultural than racial..

After further review, BYA's statement is dead fucking on.

Bring back intenment camps for these fucks.

You have Iranian fathers running over daughters with their cars because, in the muslim father's opinion, she's become too "western"....WTF???? Get the fuck OUT if you don't like it!!!

Fucking imbeciles.

These motherfuckers. They're NEVER happy. They're centuries behind almost every goddamned culture on the face of the planet. There's no possible way they could EVER make the transition from "old country muslim" to American citizen. We have NOTHING in common. Fuck you if you don't like it, I'm telling the TRUTH!!! Take the PC bullshit and shove it up your ass, because that's where it belongs.

Fuck.

Nickdfresh

11-11-2009, 03:41 AM

...

These motherfuckers. They're NEVER happy. They're centuries behind almost every goddamned culture on the face of the planet. There's no possible way they could EVER make the transition from "old country muslim" to American citizen....

Sorry, I forgot about the well adjusted Christians blowing up federal buildings and bombing abortion clinics...

And how the fuck has not wanting to round up the Je...er...Muslims and put them into camps become "PC?"

hideyoursheep

11-11-2009, 04:06 AM

Sorry, I forgot about the well adjusted Christians blowing up federal buildings and bombing abortion clinics...

And how the fuck has not wanting to round up the Je...er...Muslims and put them into camps become "PC?"

He was contacting the Al Sharpton of Al Qaeda, and you want to put him in the lone wacko column?

Okay...the camp idea is a little out there...my bad. I'm pissed. Who thinks clearly when they are? If you do, you're a better man than me. That's why I don't run things.:biggrin:

hideyoursheep

11-11-2009, 04:08 AM

I wonder if his trial will be anyhing like this?

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ULTRAMAN VH

11-11-2009, 08:19 AM

I love how this idiot offers no real examples of the supposed "media coddling" this Hasan prick is receiving. What should they do? Call for Killing all Muslims now?

Whether it was a "terrorist" act or not is pretty moot and is semantics as he had no official contact with al Qaida and was a "lone wolf." I think the media has portrayed him as a typical loser-misfit that threw himself back into a constructed Islam that never really existed until relatively recent revisionists adopted Arab culture and fused it with the Islamic religion.

He did so because he had nothing else in his empty life and even other Mulsims apparently thought he was a complete weirdo as evidenced by his chosen field of "psychiatry" and evidently no one wanted to marry him. Probably because he was trying to "self-diagnose" and "fix" problems he no doubt sensed he had. Not much different than the cliche of the college-student chick you ask out who is a 'psyche major', and you eventually realize that is because she's completely three-shades of crazy with a side of "daddy-issues"...

Just move along folks, nothing to see here. You say there's a big pink elephant in the middle of the room?? Oh poppycock sir, please move along folks, nothing to see here, move along!:umm:

Nickdfresh

11-11-2009, 09:47 AM

He was contacting the Al Sharpton of Al Qaeda, and you want to put him in the lone wacko column?

Okay...the camp idea is a little out there...my bad. I'm pissed. Who thinks clearly when they are? If you do, you're a better man than me. That's why I don't run things.:biggrin:

I think there is little evidence that he actually had discussions with that Imam and now the conspiracy nuts are hopping on the 9/11 bandwagon.

From everything I've heard, he was a loner and most thought him an odd douchebag. They weren't "able to find a wife" for him and local Muslims say that few actually ever saw him socially and he had almost no friends...

Nickdfresh

11-11-2009, 09:48 AM

Just move along folks, nothing to see here. You say there's a big pink elephant in the middle of the room?? Oh poppycock sir, please move along folks, nothing to see here, move along!:umm:

Take your head out of your ass, then...

hideyoursheep

11-13-2009, 06:59 AM

I think there is little evidence that he actually had discussions with that Imam and now the conspiracy nuts are hopping on the 9/11 bandwagon.

From everything I've heard, he was a loner and most thought him an odd douchebag. They weren't "able to find a wife" for him and local Muslims say that few actually ever saw him socially and he had almost no friends...

A loner and a douchebag who couldn't find a wife...had no friends...

Yet was able to make Major...

I don't know yet if he actually did contact Imam..I haven't heard, but it appears as if he were looking for some sort of justification for dong what he did before he did it.

I only wish I could be the one to tell him all of the soldiers he murdered were muslim, even though it's not true....... just for the reaction.

That rotten prick.

Seshmeister

11-13-2009, 07:04 AM

From everything I've heard, he was a loner and most thought him an odd douchebag. They weren't "able to find a wife" for him and local Muslims say that few actually ever saw him socially and he had almost no friends...

I wonder if he posted at the Rothfans site and it shutting down pushed him over the edge...

hideyoursheep

11-13-2009, 07:09 AM

... some sort of justification for dong....

I said dong.:hee:

Nickdfresh

11-13-2009, 10:57 AM

A loner and a douchebag who couldn't find a wife...had no friends...

Yet was able to make Major...

Right! Ever seen M*A*S*H. There are plenty of douchebags wearing gold oak leaf clusters. You were in, right?

I don't know yet if he actually did contact Imam..I haven't heard, but it appears as if he were looking for some sort of justification for dong what he did before he did it.

I only wish I could be the one to tell him all of the soldiers he murdered were muslim, even though it's not true....... just for the reaction.

That rotten prick.

Course he's a rotten prick and of course the Army is to blame. Several fellow officers at Walter Reed(?) (according to NPR) said he had been flagged as sub par, a poor student, and several discussed the fact that he seemed to be the typically mentally ill fuckwit that entered psychology to "fix" himself. When studying psychology didn't assuage his inner-assholeness, he then immersed himself into the most radical, discredited form of perversed Islam. At least one fellow officer actually diagnosed him as mildly psychotic based on his rambling, disjointed stream-of-consciousness crap he was writing in lieu of actual academic papers which apparently is a symptom.

The fact that he was "shuffled off to (FT Hood)" so he could presumably do less harm there because other staff could pick up his slack is completely disgraceful and shows the typical double-standard the Army has in regards to the "loser, worthless" officers it covers up for, transfers around, or creates bullshit jobs for rather than subjecting them to a full on psyche evaluation like they should have done this dickwad...

But in the end, he murdered those people not because he was a Muslim jihadist, but because he was a psychotic douchebag like most other mass murdering shooters. What's more shameful in this case is that not only could this have been prevented, if it fuck well SHOULD have been..

BTW, radical Islamic assholes never seem to have a problem murdering other Muslims. They killed many on 9/11 actually. And what do you think the Iraq Civil War was/is largely about? Killing 100s of Shiite Muslims because they weren't Sunni, or killing a few Sunnis to get to the Americans via bombings...

Nickdfresh

11-13-2009, 11:00 AM

I wonder if he posted at the Rothfans site and it shutting down pushed him over the edge...

Ha! :biggrin:

hideyoursheep

11-14-2009, 05:57 AM

Right! Ever seen M*A*S*H. There are plenty of douchebags wearing gold oak leaf clusters. You were in, right?... No Idea what you're talking about.;)

The fact that he was "shuffled off to (FT Hood)" so he could presumably do less harm there because other staff could pick up his slack is completely disgraceful and shows the typical double-standard the Army has in regards to the "loser, worthless" officers it covers up for, transfers around, or creates bullshit jobs for rather than subjecting them to a full on psyche evaluation like they should have done this dickwad...

But in the end, he murdered those people not because he was a Muslim jihadist, but because he was a psychotic douchebag like most other mass murdering shooters. What's more shameful in this case is that not only could this have been prevented, if it fuck well SHOULD have been...

Sounds more like a Catholic priest...but yeah, you're right. He just happened to be Muslim. Albiet not a very good one.

Send the Walter Reed dud to Ft. Hood, no one will notice how shitty he is, they need him BAD down there! :rolleyes:

Yeah. I get it.

See...that's why I can never be president. Pot would be legal, but a week ago all Muslims wold have been wrongly imprisoned. Even though the entire country would be stoned, I'd wind up with a 38% approval rating.
I'd need you to be my Karl Rove.

Va Beach VH Fan

11-14-2009, 11:05 AM

The SGTMAJ that Rick Sanchez just talked to on CNN is an old friend of mine.... We were softball buddies in Naples, Italy.... He was a SGT back then....

I got an email from him last night, obviously he said things were absolutely nuts that day....

ZahZoo

11-14-2009, 11:54 AM

It seems clear this whack-job fits similar profiles of loner, loser and social mistfit that others who've committed horendous crimes as this have displayed.

The Muslim aspect may not necessarily be the primary motivator. Can't be ignored though given all the ingredients... current war locales, cultures involved, US military, etc...

Even though majority of muslims don't advocate violence as part of their religious belief system... there is a large enough element in that culture that encourages terroristic attacks on innocent people by solo whackos.

I don't know... if Muslims don't want to take the heat for these crimes... they need to curtail it immediately and drive the violent bullshit out of their frontyard. It's too ingrained and occurs too frequently to just blow it off as some little radical faction anymore...

I'd say those folks need to step up and out of that game... or at some point the rest of the world will have had enough no matter who's who. That won't be good for anyone...

ELVIS

11-14-2009, 12:16 PM

Sorry, I forgot about the well adjusted Christians blowing up federal buildings and bombing abortion clinics...

Hey Muslimdickforbreath,

It sucks that you always seem to bring this up. Cite an example of your spew, for once... or prove McVeigh was a Christian, or that he blew the building up for Jesus...

This Jihad Major is a terrorist! it may be hard to prove that he was part of a plot, but his act was premeditated TERRORISM! Period!

The bastard proclaimed himself as a "soldier of allah" and had several overseas contacts that are currently being investigated...

It sucks that we are a country of pussies with very short attention spans...

I pretty much believe that we're being waited out by, and quietly infiltrated by these radical Islam Jihad bastards and we don't even seem to care...

:elvis:

FORD

11-14-2009, 12:52 PM

Hey Muslimdickforbreath,

It sucks that you always seem to bring this up. Cite an example of your spew, for once... or prove McVeigh was a Christian, or that he blew the building up for Jesus...

I don't know if McVeigh specifically claimed a distorted version of "Christianity" as his motivation, but Erik Rudolph did. And Scott Roeder, who murdered a doctor in that man's own church, did. And Paul Hill, another murderer who called himself "pro-life" was an ordained minister. And then there's the Crusades, and the Inquisition.... and that wackjob General Boykin over in Iraq, who believes he's literally fighting Satan. And Chimpy himself, for that matter, who claimed God told him to create two wars.

Islam has nothing on Christianity when it comes to terrorism in the name of God. But Mohammed probably isn't any happier about that than JC is.

Nickdfresh

11-14-2009, 12:56 PM

Hey Muslimdickforbreath,

It sucks that you always seem to bring this up. Cite an example of your spew, for once... or prove McVeigh was a Christian, or that he blew the building up for Jesus...

I didn't say McVeigh, sponge-bath & hand-job giver...

But since you mentioned him, he was born and raised as a Christian not far from me. And much of his motivation stemmed from his hatred of "killing (white) babies" (ironically as he was a baby-killer) and much of his motivation stemmed from those poor, nice Christian, illegal gun toting, pedophiles being "murdered" by the gub'erment at the Koresh Waco compound...

This Jihad Major is a terrorist! it may be hard to prove that he was part of a plot, but his act was premeditated TERRORISM! Period!

Semantics for dummies. Who fucking cares? He was a mass-murderer like any other deranged shooter....

The bastard proclaimed himself as a "soldier of allah" and had several overseas contacts that are currently being investigated...

Right. The bastard was mentally ill and completely unfit for duty. His association with the Allah shit was a manifestation of that. But I guess all of the Muslims honorably serving in the Army that you're too much of a fat, ex-drug addled pussy to be in, must be of course "terrorists" simply because they're Muslims. Right?

It sucks that we are a country of pussies with very short attention spans...

Speak for yourself, Nurse douchebag.

I pretty much believe that we're being waited out by, and quietly infiltrated by these radical Islam Jihad bastards and we don't even seem to care...

:elvis:

That's because you're a xenophobic idiot easily trained to hate those of whom you have no experience with...

ELVIS

11-14-2009, 01:03 PM

I don't hate anybody, but the sheer number of Muslims teaching our young people at our Universities should excite a bit of concern...

FORD

11-14-2009, 01:09 PM

I don't hate anybody, but the sheer number of Muslims teaching our young people at our Universities should excite a bit of concern...

You mean as opposed to Pat Robertson's "Regent University"? Or Jerry Falwell's "Liberty University". Or the KKK's "Bob Jones University". Or Brigham Young University. Or numerous Catholic church owned universities all over the planet?

You aren't reading that David Whoreowitz crap now are you? (all about how right wingers need to force a takeover of education like they did the media)

ELVIS

11-14-2009, 01:12 PM

No, i'm against everything you just mentioned. Academics should be just that, academics...

Sensible Shoes

11-14-2009, 01:18 PM

You mean as opposed to Pat Robertson's "Regent University"? Or Jerry Falwell's "Liberty University". Or the KKK's "Bob Jones University". Or Brigham Young University. Or numerous Catholic church owned universities all over the planet?

You aren't reading that David Whoreowitz crap now are you? (all about how right wingers need to force a takeover of education like they did the media)

Maybe the difference here is that if you enroll in one of the above mentioned "educational" institutions, you know what you're signing up for, and are probably doing it willingly. Indoctrination.

ELVIS

11-14-2009, 01:28 PM

That's true...

These Muslim educators are supposed to be secular in their approach to education, but are Islamic Values part of their curriculum? Some studies show that is indeed the case...

FORD

11-14-2009, 01:51 PM

Back in high school, one of my math teachers managed to work John, the island of Patmos and the number 666 into a story problem. He was later the chair of the Thurston County Republican Party. I'm sure he's long retired by now, since he was pretty old then, but should we remove someone like him from education as well?

ELVIS

11-14-2009, 01:56 PM

0Did he try to indoctrinate you ??

FORD

11-14-2009, 02:03 PM

ELVIS

11-14-2009, 02:05 PM

Hmmm...

Sensible Shoes

11-14-2009, 02:12 PM

Va Beach VH Fan

11-14-2009, 02:53 PM

You mean as opposed to Pat Robertson's "Regent University"?

Right down the street....

Who had 150 graduates get hired by the Bush administration, most of them from their Cracker Jack box "law school"....

FORD

11-14-2009, 03:29 PM

Must be where birther drama queen Oily Twatz got her "law degree" from.

Nitro Express

11-14-2009, 04:15 PM

The Ralph Peters article for the NY Post is the BEST thing I have read in eons. 2 thumbs up - America needs to stop the PC nonsense

I couldn't agree with with you more! I had to be politically correct in college to get good grades and I had to be politically correct with certain employers to keep my job. Now I own my own businesses and I'm not under that thumb anymore.

People over use the term racist and bigot. We have come a long ways in 50 years when real racism existed and there will always be an element of it. I'm tired of people playing the victim card, blaming racism for their lack of motivation and stupidity. I'm tired of the guilt we are supposed to have. Life is too fucking short. I'm here to have a good time. I'm tired of all the whining and fighting. Lose the attitude and go to work doing something productive. Do something nice for someone. We mire ourselves in too much negativity and whining due to our own laziness and work like mad trying to blame someone for it all.

Nitro Express

11-14-2009, 04:21 PM

Not directly... but that's because I was already receiving my weekly indoctrination sessions from the Emmanuel Baptist Church of Ronald Reagan (not Jesus Christ) every Sunday. Any kid in that class who had ever opened a bible knew what he was talking about. And the atheist kids just kinda stared at him like "what the fuck is old man Taylor going on about now?"

Also ironically enough in that school, the head of the science department was also an evangelical. Though he taught biology class straight out of the textbook, and didn't interject in his own beliefs "...yeah, I know this what the book says, but God really did it all in 6 days"

Ha! Growing up I was indoctrinated on taking over the world, becoming a god, having sex with multiple goddesses, and creating my own universes. Then I was part of a well organized mafia styled network that was as iron clad as anything I've ever seen. I could have stayed in honing my deception and lying skills and using the system to take advantage of others for my gain. The best way to climb to the top is to marry one of the church leaders daughters and ride the nepotism wave.

standin

11-14-2009, 04:24 PM

Hey Muslimdickforbreath,

It sucks that you always seem to bring this up. Cite an example of your spew, for once... or prove McVeigh was a Christian, or that he blew the building up for Jesus...

This Jihad Major is a terrorist! it may be hard to prove that he was part of a plot, but his act was premeditated TERRORISM! Period!

The bastard proclaimed himself as a "soldier of allah" and had several overseas contacts that are currently being investigated...

It sucks that we are a country of pussies with very short attention spans...

I pretty much believe that we're being waited out by, and quietly infiltrated by these radical Islam Jihad bastards and we don't even seem to care...

:elvis:

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Nitro Express

11-14-2009, 04:29 PM

I was also taught the indians and negros deserved their fate because they were cursed with dark skin because they were less valient in the pre-existance and we were the special chosen people who God had a special for. Of course the prophet had a revelation to downplay some of that once the civil rights movement was successful and the church started to get negative flak. It always interested me on how the suddenly have revelations when the government threatens to throw them in jail or the public relations are negative to the point of hurting the cash flow.

standin

11-14-2009, 04:44 PM

Elvis,
Fundamentals, such as you, have the right to be fundamental. However, they do not have the right to incite hatred. If you cannot live with yourself the way you are when reflected to the general humanity, I suggest KYNP. K' thx.

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standin

11-14-2009, 04:49 PM

Nickdfresh

11-14-2009, 04:51 PM

That's true...

These Muslim educators are supposed to be secular in their approach to education, but are Islamic Values part of their curriculum? Some studies show that is indeed the case...

With few exceptions (the ring-leader al Qaida 9/11 hijackers for instance), Muslims being educated at universities ARE NOT the problem. The main problems are the largely uneducated masses that are not permitted education beyond basic skills training and have no social mobility in their societies controlled by corrupt dictatorships and the moneyed classes seeking the status quo...

ELVIS

11-14-2009, 05:55 PM

ULTRAMAN VH

11-14-2009, 05:55 PM

Explaining Away Mass Murder
By Charles Krauthammer

WASHINGTON -- What a surprise -- that someone who shouts "Allahu Akbar" (the "God is great" jihadist battle cry) as he is shooting up a room of American soldiers might have Islamist motives. It certainly was a surprise to the mainstream media, which spent the weekend after the Fort Hood massacre downplaying Nidal Hasan's religious beliefs.

"I cringe that he's a Muslim. ... I think he's probably just a nut case," said Newsweek's Evan Thomas. Some were more adamant. Time's Joe Klein decried "odious attempts by Jewish extremists ... to argue that the massacre perpetrated by Nidal Hasan was somehow a direct consequence of his Islamic beliefs." While none could match Klein's peculiar cherchez-le-juif motif, the popular story line was of an Army psychiatrist driven over the edge by terrible stories he had heard from soldiers returning from Iraq and Afghanistan.

They suffered. He listened. He snapped.

Really? What about the doctors and nurses, the counselors and physical therapists at Walter Reed Army Medical Center who every day hear and live with the pain and the suffering of returning soldiers? How many of them then picked up a gun and shot 51 innocents?

And what about civilian psychiatrists -- not the Upper West Side therapist treating Woody Allen neurotics, but the thousands of doctors working with hospitalized psychotics -- who every day hear not just tales but cries of the most excruciating anguish, of the most unimaginable torment? How many of those doctors commit mass murder?

It's been decades since I practiced psychiatry. Perhaps I missed the epidemic.

But, of course, if the shooter is named Nidal Hasan, whom National Public Radio reported had been trying to proselytize doctors and patients, then something must be found. Presto! Secondary post-traumatic stress disorder, a handy invention to allow one to ignore the obvious.

And the perfect moral finesse. Medicalizing mass murder not only exonerates. It turns the murderer into a victim, indeed a sympathetic one. After all, secondary PTSD, for those who believe in it (you won't find it in DSM-IV-TR, psychiatry's Diagnostic and Statistical Manual), is known as "compassion fatigue." The poor man -- pushed over the edge by an excess of sensitivity.

Have we totally lost our moral bearings? Nidal Hasan (allegedly) cold-bloodedly killed 13 innocent people. In such cases, political correctness is not just an abomination. It's a danger, clear and present.

Consider the Army's treatment of Hasan's previous behavior. NPR's Daniel Zwerdling interviewed a Hasan colleague at Walter Reed about a hair-raising Grand Rounds that Hasan had apparently given. Grand Rounds are the most serious academic event at a teaching hospital -- attending physicians, residents and students gather for a lecture on an instructive case history or therapeutic finding.

I've been to dozens of these. In fact, I gave one myself on post-traumatic retrograde amnesia -- as you can see, these lectures are fairly technical. Not Hasan's. His was an hour-long disquisition on what he called the Koranic view of military service, jihad and war. It included an allegedly authoritative elaboration of the punishments visited upon nonbelievers -- consignment to hell, decapitation, having hot oil poured down your throat. This "really freaked a lot of doctors out," reported NPR.

Nor was this the only incident. "The psychiatrist," reported Zwerdling, "said that he was the kind of guy who the staff actually stood around in the hallway saying: Do you think he's a terrorist, or is he just weird?"

Was anything done about this potential danger? Of course not. Who wants to be accused of Islamophobia and prejudice against a colleague's religion?

One must not speak of such things. Not even now. Not even after we know that Hasan was in communication with a notorious Yemen-based jihad propagandist. As late as Tuesday, The New York Times was running a story on how returning soldiers at Fort Hood had a high level of violence.

What does such violence have to do with Hasan? He was not a returning soldier. And the soldiers who returned home and shot their wives or fellow soldiers didn't cry "Allahu Akbar" as they squeezed the trigger.

The delicacy about the religion in question -- condescending, politically correct and deadly -- is nothing new. A week after the first (1993) World Trade Center attack, the same New York Times ran the following front-page headline about the arrest of one Mohammed Salameh: "Jersey City Man Is Charged in Bombing of Trade Center."

Ah yes, those Jersey men -- so resentful of New York, so prone to violence.

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