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  • Satan
    ROTH ARMY ELITE
    • Jan 2004
    • 6664

    So apparently I'm living in the Vatican now?

    From The Times
    March 11, 2010
    Chief exorcist Father Gabriele Amorth says Devil is in the Vatican
    Richard Owen in Rome


    Don Gabriele Amorth, an exorcist
    in the diocese of Rome and the president
    of honour of the Association of Exorcists


    (Giulio Napolitan/AFP/Getty Images)



    Sex abuse scandals in the Roman Catholic Church are proof that that "the Devil is at work inside the Vatican", according to the Holy See's chief exorcist.

    Father Gabriele Amorth, 85, who has been the Vatican's chief exorcist for 25 years and says he has dealt with 70,000 cases of demonic possession, said that the consequences of satanic infiltration included power struggles at the Vatican as well as "cardinals who do not believe in Jesus, and bishops who are linked to the Demon".

    He added: "When one speaks of 'the smoke of Satan' [a phrase coined by Pope Paul VI in 1972] in the holy rooms, it is all true – including these latest stories of violence and paedophilia."

    He claimed that another example of satanic behaviour was the Vatican "cover-up" over the deaths in 1998 of Alois Estermann, the then commander of the Swiss Guard, his wife and Corporal Cedric Tornay, a Swiss Guard, who were all found shot dead. "They covered up everything immediately," he said. "Here one sees the rot".

    A remarkably swift Vatican investigation concluded that Corporal Tornay had shot the commander and his wife and then turned his gun on himself after being passed over for a medal. However Tornay's relatives have challenged this. There have been unconfirmed reports of a homosexual background to the tragedy and the involvement of a fourth person who was never identfied.

    Father Amorth, who has just published Memoirs of an Exorcist, a series of interviews with the Vatican journalist Marco Tosatti, said that the attempt on the life of Pope John Paul II in 1981 had been the work of the Devil, as had an incident last Christmas when a mentally disturbed woman threw herself at Pope Benedict XVI at the start of Midnight Mass, pulling him to the ground.

    Father José Antonio Fortea Cucurull, a Rome-based exorcist, said that Father Amorth had "gone well beyond the evidence" in claiming that Satan had infiltrated the Vatican corridors.

    "Cardinals might be better or worse, but all have upright intentions and seek the glory of God," he said. Some Vatican officials were more pious than others, "but from there to affirm that some cardinals are members of satanic sects is an unacceptable distance."

    Father Amorth told La Repubblica that the devil was "pure spirit, invisible. But he manifests himself with blasphemies and afflictions in the person he possesses. He can remain hidden, or speak in different languages, transform himself or appear to be agreeable. At times he makes fun of me."

    He said it sometimes took six or seven of his assistants to to hold down a possessed person. Those possessed often yelled and screamed and spat out nails or pieces of glass, which he kept in a bag. "Anything can come out of their mouths – finger-length pieces of iron, but also rose petals."

    He said that hoped every diocese would eventually have a resident exorcist. Under Church Canon Law any priest can perform exorcisms, but in practice they are carried out by a chosen few trained in the rites.

    Father Amorth was ordained in 1954 and became an official exorcist in 1986. In the past he has suggested that Adolf Hitler and Joseph Stalin were possessed by the Devil. He was among Vatican officials who warned that J. K. Rowling's Harry Potter novels made a "false distinction between black and white magic".

    He approves, however, of the 1973 film The Exorcist, which although "exaggerated" offered a "substantially exact" picture of possession.

    In 2001 he objected to the introduction of a new version of the exorcism rite, complaining that it dropped centuries-old prayers and was "a blunt sword" about which exorcists themselves had not been consulted. The Vatican said later that he and other exorcists could continue to use the old ritual.

    He is the president of honour of the Association of Exorcists.


    Chief exorcist Father Gabriele Amorth says Devil is in the Vatican -Times Online
    Eternally Under the Authority of Satan

    Originally posted by Sockfucker
    I've been in several mental institutions but not in Bakersfield.
  • Seshmeister
    ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

    • Oct 2003
    • 35777

    #2
    I think it's important that it is better publicised just how fucking insane these people are.

    I was genuinely shocked when just a few years ago I learned the catholic church still had exorcists.

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    • Baby's On Fire
      Veteran
      • May 2004
      • 1747

      #3
      Hey Sesh,....Lounge is gonna come running to your defense now....and close the thread before anyone can reply.

      Don't cry..he'll be there soon.

      Faggot

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      • bueno bob
        DIAMOND STATUS
        • Jul 2004
        • 22951

        #4
        I'd agree. If there's any great argument for the validity of Satan, it's to be found in the upper eschelons of the Catholic church.
        Twistin' by the pool.

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        • Baby's On Fire
          Veteran
          • May 2004
          • 1747

          #5
          Apparently. the Vatican still has a full-time exorcist on staff....at a salary of $ 85,000 per year paid by the dumb fucks giving out fivers on Sunday mornings.......

          And to think any of use stupid motherfukcers actually work for a living.....

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          • kwame k
            TOASTMASTER GENERAL
            • Feb 2008
            • 11302

            #6
            Why in the fuck would Satan be hanging out with a bunch of old, fat gay men?

            You'd think he'd be hanging at strip clubs and whore houses........

            Great! Now who can I sell my soul to?
            Originally posted by vandeleur
            E- Jesus . Playing both sides because he didnt understand the argument in the first place :D

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            • hambon4lif
              Crazy Ass Mofo
              • Jun 2004
              • 2810

              #7
              Actually, strip clubs are alot closer to heaven than hell....especially when compared to the false rhetoric and kiddy-diddling that goes on in the Catholic church.

              I'd sooner put my 5-dollar-bills in the g-string of a stripper that was trying to feed her kid than in a collection plate of a Catholic church where the minister tries to fuck a kid.


              Who needs the hypocrisy?

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              • Nitro Express
                DIAMOND STATUS
                • Aug 2004
                • 32942

                #8
                The Catholic Church is 2000 years of oppression and lies. It's where Roman paganism adopted a Christian veneer for political advantage. It was about power and control from day one.
                No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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                • chefcraig
                  DIAMOND STATUS
                  • Apr 2004
                  • 12172

                  #9
                  I believe the truly astounding news here is that a member of the Vatican publicly admitted that the church has a problem with pederasts in the clergy, and it's about time. Instead of merely covering the issue up by moving these creeps from parish to parish, maybe this is the beginning of a much needed change in dealing with the situation.

                  Yeah, like that's gonna happen in our lifetimes.









                  “The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge.”
                  ― Stephen Hawking

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                  • Kristy
                    DIAMOND STATUS
                    • Aug 2004
                    • 16752

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Seshmeister

                    I was genuinely shocked when just a few years ago I learned the catholic church still had exorcists.
                    Exorcism is still prevalent in the Catholic Church. It may not hold the same meaning or value as it once did and may in the upper echelons of the Church frown down upon it because a lot of it is bullshit brought on by rouge priest more or less using guilt and fear to control people that a demon must be living inside of them when really the person they are exorcising could have real, serious health issues.

                    Even with that said, I'm not denouncing the existent of spiritual warfare which I think is very real but even that has to be recognized for what it is. For Father Gabriele to simply say the main reason why so many priest are child molesters due to some sort of demonic possession is absurd to me. It's like blaming your neighbors for not getting your job promotion. People who molest children were molested themselves which doesn't make it right but when they get themselves into positions of power and trust it's so much easier for them to get away with their crimes. There is no doubt that the Church was aware of this behavior among its priest for years and continued to ignore the problem. To call out Cardinals as being "satanic" is stupid when the Vatican needed to do was call the police and have these people investigated and or reprimanded. If I knew a neighbor or friend was doing these disturbing and twisted acts to a innocent child, I'd have no problem whatsoever calling the police on them rather than mask it behind some sort of demonic possession. Sounds like a lot of legal rhetoric speak to me.

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                    • LoungeMachine
                      DIAMOND STATUS
                      • Jul 2004
                      • 32576

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Baby's On Fire
                      Hey Sesh,....Lounge is gonna come running to your defense now....and close the thread before anyone can reply.

                      Don't cry..he'll be there soon.

                      Faggot


                      Has it dawned on you yet no one here cares about your petty beefs or feelings of persecution?



                      Go be a whiney douche somewhere else.....

                      Or have some orange juice.

                      Originally posted by Kristy
                      Dude, what in the fuck is wrong with you? I'm full of hate and I do drugs.
                      Originally posted by cadaverdog
                      I posted under aliases and I jerk off with a sock. Anything else to add?

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                      • Va Beach VH Fan
                        ROTH ARMY FOUNDER
                        • Dec 2003
                        • 17913

                        #12
                        When in doubt, let Arnie and Jed explain, I always say...

                        Vinick: "Whatever happened to the separation of church and state?"

                        Bartlet: "It's hanging in there, but I'm afraid the constitution doesn't say anything about the separation of church and politics."

                        Vinick: "You saying that's a good thing?"

                        Bartlet: "I'm saying that's the way it is: always has been."

                        Vinick: "You think a voter really needs to know if I go to church?"

                        Bartlet: "I don't need to know but then I'm not going to vote for you anyway. It's not up to us to decide what the voters get to use in evaluating us."

                        Vinick: "A little odd coming from someone who wasn't completely open about his health."

                        Bartlet: "That was a big mistake."

                        Vinick: "One Christmas my wife gave me a very old edition of the King James Bible — 17th century. It was a real find for a book collector. It was a thrill just to hold it. Then I read it."

                        Bartlet: "You can't take it literally."

                        Vinick: "Yeah, that's what my priest friends kept telling me. But the more I read it, the less I could believe. I could not believe there was a God that said the penalty for working on the Sabbath was death. I couldn't believe there was a God who said the penalty for adultery was death."

                        Bartlet: "I'm more of a New Testament man, myself."

                        Vinick: "I couldn't believe there was a God who had no penalty for slavery. The Bible has no problem with slavery at all. Lincoln could have used a little help from the Bible."

                        Bartlet: "You think Lincoln was an atheist?"

                        Vinick: "I hope not. That would mean all his references to God were just purely political."

                        Bartlet: "The only thing you can pray for in this job is the strength to get through the day. You can try coffee if you want, but prayer works better for me."

                        Vinick: "I don't see how we can have a separation of church and state in this government if you have to pass a religious test to get in this government. And I want to warn everyone in the press and all the voters out there, if you demand expressions of religious faith from politicians, you are just begging to be lied to. They won't all lie to you but a lot of them will. And it will be the easiest lie they ever had to tell to get your votes. So, every day until the end of this campaign, I'll answer any question anyone has on government, But if you have a question on religion, please go to church."
                        Eat Us And Smile - The Originals

                        "I have a very belligerent enthusiasm or an enthusiastic belligerence. I’m an intellectual slut." - David Lee Roth

                        "We are part of the, not just the culture, but the geography. Van Halen music goes along with like fries with the burger." - David Lee Roth

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                        • chefcraig
                          DIAMOND STATUS
                          • Apr 2004
                          • 12172

                          #13
                          Sort of reminds me of the sequence in The Right Stuff, where the astronauts are being interviewed for the first time. John Glenn is going on with this "Attaboy!" attitude, and the crowd just eats it up. At one point, Gordon Cooper (played by Dennis Quade) says "I don't believe this shit", and then they all start doing it, claiming to visit church every week, ect. Suddenly, America loves them.










                          “The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge.”
                          ― Stephen Hawking

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                          • Nitro Express
                            DIAMOND STATUS
                            • Aug 2004
                            • 32942

                            #14
                            Originally posted by chefcraig
                            I believe the truly astounding news here is that a member of the Vatican publicly admitted that the church has a problem with pederasts in the clergy, and it's about time. Instead of merely covering the issue up by moving these creeps from parish to parish, maybe this is the beginning of a much needed change in dealing with the situation.

                            Yeah, like that's gonna happen in our lifetimes.
                            It will happen when a pissed off muslim extremist nukes the Vatican. God does work in mysterious ways. Maybe he will just let all the man made religions kill each other off.
                            No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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                            • Nitro Express
                              DIAMOND STATUS
                              • Aug 2004
                              • 32942

                              #15
                              I don't trust a man who wants to be celibate. That right there says he has issues. A normal man wants as much sex as he can get. Of course a decent man knows the proper social manners in this regard be we want to get laid as much as possible. Any man who doesn't want that or represses the urge to the extreme is fucked in the mind. Fill a church up with these rejects and you have a problem.
                              No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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