Finally! What every Stone fan has been waiting for!!!

[Mr Walker]

IMO, this warranted its own thread.

Stones To Release Two DVDs
mdome / News / 19/03/2010 18:05pm

The Rolling Stones are to issue two DVDs this year through Eagle Entertainment.

The first, Stones In Exile, comes out in June. It details the making of the classic 1972 album Exile On Main Street and includes footage never previously seen.

The second is Ladies And Gentlemen… The Rolling Stones. This is their celebrated 1972 concert film, now fully restored. It will be shown in cinemas before getting DVD and Blu-ray releases in the autumn.

[Mr Walker]

oh fuck... can someone fix the title of the thread and change it to 'Stones'... sorry, I was very excited.

[High Life Man]

I thought it was going to be Cocksucker's Blues.

[chefcraig]

Some more details...

Legendary Rolling Stones concert making DVD debut

The Rolling Stones' legendary 1974 concert movie Ladies And Gentlemen . . . The Rolling Stones will finally be released this fall. The film, which was directed by Rollin Binzer, is the definitive live account of the Stones' massive 1972 North American tour in support of their double album Exile On Main Street. The film has only ever been shown theatrically and has never been officially released in any form.

As part of the Stones' new deal with Eagle Rock Entertainment, this May they'll release an expanded DVD of Stones In Exile, the newly-produced documentary chronicling the making of Exile On Main Street. The documentary -- without the bonus featurettes -- will air on BBC TV and be sold as part of the new Exile remaster.

The full tracklisting to the Ladies And Gentlemen . . . The Rolling Stones movie is:
"Brown Sugar"
"Bitch"
"Gimme Shelter"
"Dead Flowers"
"Happy"
"Tumbling Dice"
"Love In Vain"
"Sweet Virginia"
"You Can't Always Get What You Want"
"All Down The Line"
"Midnight Rambler,"
"Bye Bye Johnny"
"Rip This Joint"
"Jumpin' Jack Flash"
"Street Fighting Man"
"Medley: Uptight/(I Can't Get No) Satisfaction" with Stevie Wonder and his band.

The Rock Radio: Legendary Rolling Stones concert making DVD debut (http://www.therockradio.com/2010/03/legendary-rolling-stones-concert-making.html)

[FORD]

It's about fucking time!

And I don't believe that Uptight/Satisfaction performance with Stevie is on the bootleg versions. At least not all of the releases. (I've seen a half a dozen different versions of this boot, so it might have been on some of them, for all I remember)

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You can tell the second clip isn't as good of a quality as the first, so I'm thinking it wasn't on the better releases of the film, though I believe it was in "Cocksucker Blues"

[kissfan1976]

Cool!
Now I can get rid of the bootleg version Walker traded me a few years back.;)

[chefcraig]

And I don't believe that Uptight/Satisfaction performance with Stevie is on the bootleg versions. At least not all of the releases. (I've seen a half a dozen different versions of this boot, so it might have been on some of them, for all I remember)
You can tell the second clip isn't as good of a quality as the first, so I'm thinking it wasn't on the better releases of the film, though I believe it was in "Cocksucker Blues"

That's just it, I don't think anyone has fuck all idea what was in the original film, and what was thrown onto bootlegs. Now I went to see the film at a midnight matinee sometime in the seventies, and I'll be dipped if I recall it. But a friend of mine had a spectacularly crummy version of the film on VHS, which he loaned me in the early eighties. Now I played the hell out of that thing before I gave it back, and all I can tell you is this..."Happy" was on it, although every source I've run across says it wasn't available until it showed up as a bonus on a DVD version a few years ago. And the Stevie Wonder segment was not included.

I hope they cleaned up the sound, because not only was that horn section dreadfully wasted on lord knows what substances, but they played like it as well. And some of the band's performances were sort of iffy as well. I really hope this thing hasn't grown out of proportion, having not been seen for so long that it has taken on a mythical status for some people. Don't get me wrong, it has some great moments. It's just not quite the Holy Grail. ;)

[FORD]

I believe there were some "minor" overdubs in the sound, back in the day.

Evidence presented..... Exhibit "A" (before)

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Exhibit "B" (after)
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If you watch the second clip closely, there are moments where both Mick and Keith are heard singing, but no where near a microphone. :biggrin:

[chefcraig]

I believe there were some "minor" overdubs in the sound, back in the day.
Evidence presented..... Exhibit "A" (before)
Exhibit "B" (after)
If you watch the second clip closely, there are moments where both Mick and Keith are heard singing, but no where near a microphone. :biggrin:

FORD, these are two completely different performances. For one thing, they are in two different tempos. For another, look at Mick's shirt.

[FORD]

FORD, these are two completely different performances. For one thing, they are in two different tempos. For another, look at Mick's shirt.

I'm sure the tempo is just a matter of two different copies, one of them playing slightly faster. After 36 years of copying, it's bound to happen.

And while it might be from different performances (the film was shot from two consecutive performances in Fort Worth Texas) the point still stands that the second clip (from the released movie) has some obvious "post production" on the vocal track.

[chefcraig]

Yeah, it definitely sounds doctored, I'll give ya that. And outside of the horn section and Nicky Hopkins, they weren't lugging around any extra backing vocalists at the time, either. ;)

[tojoro]

Wow! Thanks for the share, guys! I'll be looking out for these, and yes, way overdue.
It should become world law that all bands must purge their vaults, be it audio or video!
Well...not all bands...Fuck it! You know what I mean, dammit!:biggrin:

[Terry]

There was footage of the Stones and Wonder performing the entire Uptight/Satisfaction jam on Cocksucker blues...at the end of the flick, I believe (can't be bothered to pop it in the dvd player and confirm it)...can't recall if that footage was originally included on the Ladies and Gentleman release, though I got a bootlegged version of that L & G release...so maybe it was included on the original European theatrical release.

The band might as well authorize Let's Spend The Night Together to be upgraded to a dvd release. Maybe the early 1980s Rolling Stones Video Rewind vhs release can be upgraded as well. There's also 1975, 1976 and 1978 tour footage floating around out there they could throw onto the dvds as extras...maybe the closed-circuit 1981 gig could be added onto the official LSTNT dvd (am thinking that was taken from a 'Hampton Roads' Virginia date...though I could be wrong about the name of the town and state on that one! my memory fucking sucks!)

[Terry]

I'm sure the tempo is just a matter of two different copies, one of them playing slightly faster. After 36 years of copying, it's bound to happen.

And while it might be from different performances (the film was shot from two consecutive performances in Fort Worth Texas) the point still stands that the second clip (from the released movie) has some obvious "post production" on the vocal track.


Maybe it was just a case of that snippet of footage being taken from one show and the audio being from another, a la Oakland 1981...or virtually the whole LZ SRTS movie. Could be post-production "enhancing", though. Wouldn't be a shock.

[FORD]

The Hampton Roads VA show from 12/18/81 was definitely some sort of "pay per view" release or another.

It's also the show where Keith did this.....

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[chefcraig]

What kills me is that the Stones have a warehouse full of this stuff, and I get the impression that it's filled up more or less like the ending of the first Indiana Jones movie. There is live, professionally filmed stuff from all eras, that simply blows the officially released stuff out of the water. I mean come on, does anyone out there believe that the Stones band presented on Love You Live was as sluggish and out of it for the entire tour? I have some vinyl boots from the seventies from the same era (Welcome To Frankfurt, for one) that reveal a snarling, nasty rock and roll band. Shit, you can find clips on Youtube from these pro shot deals, that leave you scratching your head as to why they were never released.

Crap, anyone know how I can get a job as the official archivist for the Stones, or failing that, Van Halen? :duh:

[kwame k]

What kills me is that the Stones have a warehouse full of this stuff, and I get the impression that it's filled up more or less like the ending of the first Indiana Jones movie. There is live, professionally filmed stuff from all eras, that simply blows the officially released stuff out of the water. I mean come on, does anyone out there believe that the Stones band presented on Love You Live was as sluggish and out of it for the entire tour? I have some vinyl boots from the seventies from the same era (Welcome To Frankfurt, for one) that reveal a snarling, nasty rock and roll band. Shit, you can find clips on Youtube from these pro shot deals, that leave you scratching your head as to why they were never released.

Crap, anyone know how I can get a job as the official archivist for the Stones, or failing that, Van Halen? :duh:


I scratch my head in befuddlement, too. I mean with so many great shows filmed and of those, what truly represents what The Stones are live, why the lack of output......

[chefcraig]

Even the outright blunders are worth a listen. Check out this pro shot clip from Wembley Stadium in the summer of 1982. Keef starts up at a startling tempo, and Charlie is way off the mark. Even Wyman is looking around as if to say "Ooops". And somehow, it all falls together and rocks pretty darned hard by the end.

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[FORD]

I mean come on, does anyone out there believe that the Stones band presented on Love You Live was as sluggish and out of it for the entire tour?

Well, there are some gigs from that tour where Keith was so smacked up, it's a miracle he remained vertical......

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[tojoro]

Someone elsewhere had mentioned Mick's reluctance to open the vault, as he felt the Stones were still a contemporary band, and not a nostalgia act.
Got news for ya, buddy...most 16 year olds think the Chili Peppers are old, so what does that make you?
Cut the shit, and release the hounds!!:fufu:

[DLR7884]

Someone elsewhere had mentioned Mick's reluctance to open the vault, as he felt the Stones were still a contemporary band, and not a nostalgia act.
Got news for ya, buddy...most 16 year olds think the Chili Peppers are old, so what does that make you?
Cut the shit, and release the hounds!!:fufu:

Very well said.

DLR7884
Of course, the VH camp is pulling the same shit.

[chefcraig]

Well, there are some gigs from that tour where Keith was so smacked up, it's a miracle he remained vertical......




Well yeah, no shit. In fact, Jagger just started dragging Ronnie Wood out for dual vocals. The thing is, they were hotter than hell as a band, no matter what fog Keith was in. From the same Forum show, July 11, 1975.

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[FORD]

Even the outright blunders are worth a listen. Check out this pro shot clip from Wembley Stadium in the summer of 1982. Keef starts up at a startling tempo, and Charlie is way off the mark. Even Wyman is looking around as if to say "Ooops". And somehow, it all falls together and rocks pretty darned hard by the end.

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There's a reason why the Stones only played "She's So Cold" on the 81/82 tour. They fucked that one up a few times. There was an earlier gig where Keith actually forgot the intro riff. He expected Woody to jump in and cover for him. When he didn't, Keith walked over and punched him in the mouth.

George Thorogood opened a number of the Stones 81 shows. What was not widely reported at the time was that George was secretly practicing with the band because Woody was doing way too much blow, and after finally getting Keith off of Heroin, Mick didn't want another addiction fucking up the band. This fact may or may not explain why Mick Taylor appeared out of nowhere to play with the band at their Kansas City show that year. (sorry, no videos of that one)

[kwame k]

Songs on that tour sounded rushed to me, IMHO. Listening to Still Life and Hal Ashby's Let's Spend The Night Together certain songs were just played too fast.

Loved the Motown shit they did on that tour.

Remember Prince opened, too. He got booed off stage :hee:

[chefcraig]

George Thorogood opened a number of the Stones 81 shows. What was not widely reported at the time was that George was secretly practicing with the band because Woody was doing way too much blow, and after finally getting Keith off of Heroin, Mick didn't want another addiction fucking up the band. This fact may or may not explain why Mick Taylor appeared out of nowhere to play with the band at their Kansas City show that year. (sorry, no videos of that one)

I'll tell you something fucking weird, that only could have happened in South Florida around that time. We did not have what is now known as basic cable back then. In fact, cable tv did not even exist unless you were loaded. What we did have were one or two companies that operated on the old UHF channels, and you'd pay to have a box the size of a small refrigerator bolted to the top of your tv set, in order to get some soft core porn and a few boxing matches each month. The pisser was, you could tune into these channels amongst the ant-races channels on your set, find the broadcast and watch it. The video was somewhat scrambled, but the audio was crystal clear.

So that Stones live show came on, including George Thorogood's entire opening set, along with the substantial wait for the Stones to come on. I have yet to find that performance by Thorogood anywhere, to this day.

Odder still, on the day of the show, one of the local radio stations played one of those long, "King Biscuit-type" live shows of the Stones from earlier in the tour. It was a smoking set, featuring "Miss You" done at a nearly punk rock tempo. At the time, I contacted the station, asking where they'd gotten the damned thing. I was informed that the show would never be heard again, and the DJ that had played it left the station that weekend.

Maybe that's why I'm so warped about porn and rock and roll, having seen much of it on a split, distorted screen. :umm:

[twonabomber]

IMO, this warranted its own thread.



it did, it does...

[Terry]

What kills me is that the Stones have a warehouse full of this stuff, and I get the impression that it's filled up more or less like the ending of the first Indiana Jones movie. There is live, professionally filmed stuff from all eras, that simply blows the officially released stuff out of the water. I mean come on, does anyone out there believe that the Stones band presented on Love You Live was as sluggish and out of it for the entire tour? I have some vinyl boots from the seventies from the same era (Welcome To Frankfurt, for one) that reveal a snarling, nasty rock and roll band. Shit, you can find clips on Youtube from these pro shot deals, that leave you scratching your head as to why they were never released.

Crap, anyone know how I can get a job as the official archivist for the Stones, or failing that, Van Halen? :duh:


Probably not out of it for the entire tour, but the Stones had a reputation even as late as the Still Life tour for being uneven as a live act for much of the 1970s and early 1980s, with the spectacle or event factor of actually seeing the band overshadowing the average nature of some of the performances (re: Love You Live [although the version of Sympathy on that one fucking COOKS!] and Still Life [listening to the music without the film visuals is less than enthralling]).

Nothing necessarily wrong with that as such, since a band can be rehearsed to the point of it coming across as just going through the motions, but it really wasn't until the Steel Wheels tour that the Stones really buckled down, took pre-tour rehearsals seriously and made a concerted effort to give consistent performances night after night. While I'd hesitate to say (despite their staggering tour grosses) they were one of the greatest live rock acts ever, at least with the Steel Wheels period and beyond they realized that an audience paying top dollar for tickets deserves a good show all around.

[ODShowtime]

Jesus H. tap dancing, titty-fucking Christ it's about time!

Next VH Oakland '81!