Iran: what would you do about their nuclear program?

[BigBadBrian]

Iran seems bound and and determined to have a nuclear program. What would you do about it if you were Obama?

[Nitro Express]

North Korea has nukes and nobody seems to care. Russia and China have a bunch aimed at us and nobody seems to care. Pakistan has them and nobody seems to care. India has them and nobody seems to care. Iran and other countries will get nukes. It's old technology and everyone wants a big stick.

[BITEYOASS]

I've got a couple simple solutions, sabotage and assasinating their researchers! The key is to make it look like an accident. This will work especially if Iran has a notorious safety record with it's nuclear program.

Plus once Iran sees what happens to it's population after a nuclear accident, then they will definitely halt their program.

Starting a war with Iran will double the national debt.

[Nickdfresh]

Iran seems bound and and determined to have a nuclear program. What would you do about it if you were Obama?

I'd make better polls that weren't stilted pieces of shit...

[BigBadBrian]

I'd make better polls that weren't stilted pieces of shit...

There's always the Other category to cover ANYTHING.

However, "I don't know" is more appropriate for you, as usual.

:biggrin:

[Jesus Christ]

My approach would be "Thou shalt not kill".

[LoungeMachine]

Who are WE to determine who has nukes?

Are we the shining example of nuclear restraint?

:gulp:

What would BRIE have done if the USSR had demanded we stop our program after 1945?

exactly.

[BigBadBrian]

Who are WE to determine who has nukes?

Are we the shining example of nuclear restraint?

:gulp:


Yes, actually we are.

[BigBadBrian]

What would BRIAN have done if the USSR had demanded we stop our program after 1945?



Tell them to :dafinger:

They weren't in any physical shape to fuck with the US at that time.

Hypocritical? Maybe. So what?

That's just the way it is.

Iran with a nuclear program is like a suicide bomber with a nuke detonation belt running around the Middle East.

[LoungeMachine]

Yes, actually we are.

Really?

Please name all of the countries who have dropped Nuclear Weapons on another country.

:gulp:

[BigBadBrian]

Really?

Please name all of the countries who have dropped Nuclear Weapons on another country.

:gulp:

Would you rather we not have used one then?

[LoungeMachine]

Would you rather we not have used one then?

Yes.

:gulp:

Still waiting for your list................

[Unchainme]

Eh, I think if there is a terrorist attack in the near future, I believe that unless cooler heads prevail, we're either going nuclear or going to get involved with that shithole country, already have had a bad feeling about it, and I for one, DON'T want to go over there.

The terrorist attack will immediately be blamed on Iran and I believe that will be the straw that breaks the camels back in terms of whether or not we're a somewhat sane country.

If someone like Palin is elected to the office of POTUS (shudder at that thought), we are truly fucked in more ways than you can imagine.

[BigBadBrian]

Yes.

:gulp:

Still waiting for your list................

Go on waiting. Hold your breath even. Do it, Pinocchio, do it!

Hiroshima and Nagasaki was the right call if you knew the least little shred (I doubt it) about history. Most history books don't have enough pictures to hold your interest and you'd quickly go play with the container your Legos came in.

[LoungeMachine]

Go on waiting. Hold your breath even. Do it, Pinocchio, do it!

Hiroshima and Nagasaki was the right call if you knew the least little shred (I doubt it) about history. Most history books don't have enough pictures to hold your interest and you'd quickly go play with the container your Legos came in.

So if a country is attacked, and you want to end the war, you are well within your rights as a nation to drop nuclear weapons.

This is your stand?

Yes or no?

:gulp:

[thome]

So if a country is attacked, and you want to end the war, you are well within your rights as a nation to drop nuclear weapons.

This is your stand?

Yes or no?

:gulp:

I know the Q wasn't directed at me, but hey it's a free country...the answer is yes. That is thier purpose. That is what they are made for.

You can take it up the ass like a liberal douche candy assed cry baby, Oh what did we do to deserve this, attitude .


The world won't end, just thiers... completely.

Nukes are not acci=dents you build one, it goes off by accident, we bury you with five more .

No quarter.

[Blackflag]

So shame on the U.S. for using the bomb...but every crackpot who wants them should have them.

Makes sense.

[kwame k]

Why are we the ones who decide who has them and who doesn't. I'm sick of us being the world police and considering our performance at that job, it's time for someone else to take over.

Nations with nuclear weapons effect more than just the US and let the rest of the world deal with this.

Do I want to see Iran have nukes.....fuck no, but it's time for the rest of the world to play a greater role.......we have a horrible track record with nukes, so who are we to preach.

[LoungeMachine]

So shame on the U.S. for using the bomb...but every crackpot who wants them should have them.

Makes sense.

Nice strawman

:gulp:

Show me where I said this?

[thome]

Why are we the ones who decide who has them and who doesn't. I'm sick of us being the world police and considering our performance at that job, it's time for someone else to take over.

Could be the finest post in site history.

Within it's oddly arranged words, is the true meaning of why every country that has needed our help, not only for a time, but as soon as we show up and after, to aid in the persuit of something more than just the broad sweeping brush of the opaque surface headline in the local fishwrap.

Why..? If we don't ... .... ?

[sadaist]

North Korea has nukes and nobody seems to care.

Because they don't have the electricity to fire one off. The town generator can only handle so much. You ever see a photo from space of North Korea at night? Crazy.



Russia and China have a bunch aimed at us and nobody seems to care.

China isn't about to blow up their biggest debtor and consumer of their trash. Who else is going to buy their cheap plastic, lead painted toys in mass quantities?



Pakistan has them and nobody seems to care. India has them and nobody seems to care.

These guys are only interested in killing each other.



It's old technology and everyone wants a big stick.

Except us. We are lead to believe we should destroy all of ours and feel guilty we ever had them to begin with.

[sadaist]

We have known Iran is a problem for a long, long time. I still believe the wars in Afghanistan & Iraq were largely based on where will we be able to have military bases on either side of Iran. Circle the fucking wagons around them so to speak.

What's gonna be fucked is if we eventually go in there and it turns out there are no nukes at all. Just like Saddam, his WMD's, and all the UN resolutions he ignored.

[Va Beach VH Fan]

I remember when Israel tested one, and Jed wasn't too happy about that.... ;)

[LoungeMachine]

I remember when Israel tested one, and Jed wasn't too happy about that.... ;)

Thank God for Bingo Bob, huh?

:gulp:

[LoungeMachine]

So shame on the U.S. for using the bomb...but every crackpot who wants them should have them.

Makes sense.


Where was your outrage when Pakistan got the bomb?

:gulp:

Yeah, exactly

[Va Beach VH Fan]

Part of me thinks that Iran, should they build a bomb, are fucking crazy enough to use it on Israel.... Of course that will also kill many of their supporters in the area, but oh well...

But then again, North Korea are a couple sandwiches short of a picnic themselves, and they've had many years to drop one on the South....

[LoungeMachine]

But then again, North Korea are a couple sandwiches short of a picnic themselves, and they've had many years to drop one on the South....

Don't think they could hit the south if they tried.....

But Iran is surrounded by 5 nuclear powers...

Wouldnt anyone want to make the world think they're armed?

:gulp:

[Blackflag]

Nice strawman

:gulp:

Show me where I said this?

Strawman? Are you serious? Dude asked what should be done about Iran, and you bring up Hiroshima.

And I'm the one with the strawman?

:lmao:

[Blackflag]

Where was your outrage when Pakistan got the bomb?

:gulp:

Yeah, exactly

Speaking of which...

[Nickdfresh]

There's always the Other category to cover ANYTHING.

However, "I don't know" is more appropriate for you, as usual.

:biggrin:

Well, at least by saying "I don't know," I'd be far more intelligent in acknowledging what I don't know than a throbbing tool like you who pretends to have all the answers...

The beginning of true knowledge is "knowing what one doesn't know." But you wouldn't know that. Would you?

BTW, BigNadDouche, maybe you can actually give your own opinion on what we should do? Maybe bomb Iran and turn the largely anti-gov't Iranians into a galvanized force of national resistance?

Let the Israelis launch a foolish, pin-prick raid that will not only be ineffective, but explode the Islamic world against us in our unquestioning support for a renegade state that is frequently moving against our interests and selling our tech to China?

[LoungeMachine]

Nice deflection, mensa.

Show me where I said every crackpot should have nukes?

Argue with facts, or stick to shitty movie reviews, Buttplug.

:gulp:

[Nickdfresh]

...

Iran with a nuclear program is like a suicide bomber with a nuke detonation belt running around the Middle East.


Then maybe you can explain to us why Iran has never used any other of their weapons of mass destruction such as chems and bios in a terror attack?

And maybe you can also explain why Israel, a rogue elephant, should get a free pass for owning 200-500 nuclear warheads of their own...

[Nickdfresh]

Strawman? Are you serious? Dude asked what should be done about Iran, and you bring up Hiroshima.

And I'm the one with the strawman?

:lmao:

Or douchebag, maybe you should offer an opinion on what YOU think should be done in regards to Iran before pissing all over someone else's?

[LoungeMachine]

Dont hold your breath, Nick...

:gulp:

He only reviews, never writes.

[Blackflag]

Show me where I said every crackpot should have nukes?


That's what you're saying if you think it's a good idea for Iran to have nuclear weapons.

[Terry]

Not much that can be done, really, short of invasion. Doubt we have the troop strength to do it, being spread as thin as we are in Iraq and Afghanistan.

I suppose we could bomb the known Iranian nuclear sites via the skies using conventional weapons/the USAF, but does anyone really want to see things go down that road? Something like that could produce events escalating too fast for anyone to control. Plus, oil prices will shoot through the roof (isn't that the one half-way positive thing about our various Middle Eastern entanglements: they act as a catalyst for helping to keep oil prices down?)

We'll just end up living with it. I mean, thank fuck none of these other countries are calling for an end to the US nuclear program, what with America being the only nation to intentionally detonate atomic weapons over a civilian area with the express intent of killing tens of thousands of people.

[Blackflag]

Or douchebag, maybe you should offer an opinion on what YOU think should be done in regards to Iran before pissing all over someone else's?

You mean 'it's fine if Iran has nuclear weapons' was actually his opinion? I thought he was kidding.

I think you isolate them worldwide, no oil sales, no banking.

[Nickdfresh]

That's what you're saying if you think it's a good idea for Iran to have nuclear weapons.

NOBODY said "it's a good idea for Iran to have nuclear weapons," idiot.

As for "what you're saying," why don't you figure out what the fuck you're saying, first. Then critique others second...

[Nickdfresh]

You mean 'it's fine if Iran has nuclear weapons' was actually his opinion? I thought he was kidding.

You have no idea what I mean, because you're a fucking retarded hypocrite that believes the U.S. federal gov't should have no authority at home, but should be able to dictate to other nations...


I think you isolate them worldwide, no oil sales, no banking.

They're already largely isolated as far as anything financial. As for oil, yeah, good luck with that...

[Blackflag]

NOBODY said "it's a good idea for Iran to have nuclear weapons," idiot..



Iran is surrounded by 5 nuclear powers...[w]ouldnt anyone want to make the world think they're armed?

.....

[Blackflag]

You have no idea what I mean, because you're a fucking retarded hypocrite that believes the U.S. federal gov't should have no authority at home, but should be able to dictate to other nations...

Not sure what my views of federalism have to do with Iran, but...ok. Good argument, Nick.




They're already largely isolated as far as anything financial. As for oil, yeah, good luck with that...

"Largely?" They're not isolated at all. Outside of the U.S., it's business as usual for them. Especially with Russia. Especially with China.

[Nickdfresh]

.....

http://www.dailydemotivators.com/pics/bullshit1024x768.jpg

[Nickdfresh]

Not sure what my views of federalism have to do with Iran, but...ok. Good argument, Nick.


Me neither. Why don't you explain it so someone can get the notion of what you're talking about?


"Largely?" They're not isolated at all. Outside of the U.S., it's business as usual for them. Especially with Russia. Especially with China.

Actually, their economy is shit largely as the result of sanctions, in addition to the economic mismanagement of a corrupt regime pretending to be "Islamic."

We froze their assets in 1979...

[LoungeMachine]

That's what you're saying if you think it's a good idea for Iran to have nuclear weapons.

Jesus fucking christ you're a fucking moron...

Where did I say this????

Post the quote, cockbreath

:gulp:

fucking idiot

[Blackflag]

Actually, their economy is shit largely as the result of sanctions, in addition to the economic mismanagement of a corrupt regime pretending to be "Islamic."

Their economy is not shit, and they're doing business as usual with other nations.

fyi, Nick - "largely" is one of the flag words for bullshit. If you want to argue, you have to let that one go.




We froze their assets in 1979...

The assets they had in the U.S.

30 years ago.

[sadaist]

...what with America being the only nation to intentionally detonate atomic weapons over a civilian area with the express intent of killing tens of thousands of people.


Big difference in using one to start a war and using one to end a war.

[Blackflag]

Jesus fucking christ you're a fucking moron...

Where did I say this????


Then make it clear. What's your opinion? You've made a dozen posts here without answering the fucking question.

[LoungeMachine]

Then make it clear. What's your opinion? You've made a dozen posts here without answering the fucking question.

:lmao:

oh the irony [yet again]

[Blackflag]

I guess that means you don't have an opinion. Color me shocked.

[Nickdfresh]

Their economy is not shit, and they're doing business as usual with other nations.

Oh, okay. Tell me how great the Iranian economy is. Even considering the boon windfall of oil revenue they should have had 18 months ago!


fyi, Nick - "largely" is one of the flag words for bullshit. If you want to argue, you have to let that one go.

FYI, Douchbag, er, Blackflag, you're supposed to capitalize acronyms. So, suck my dick.


The assets they had in the U.S.

30 years ago.

Which are massive to them. Since they bought an enormous amount of military technology, alone, from us...

[Nickdfresh]

Then make it clear. What's your opinion? ...

You first, asshole.

[Blackflag]

you're supposed to capitalize acronyms.

Zing! Between that and the federalism argument, you got me!

[Nickdfresh]

Zing! Between that and the federalism argument, you got me!

It wasn't hard. I'm not exactly jumping up an down right now. But thanks for acknowledging what a douchebag you are...

[Blackflag]

I had lunch last month with a former Director of Central Intelligence, and he was on a big kick about Iran...we were in agreement. But he knows more about it than I do.

Then again, he didn't have the killer federalism to fall back on. If he had brought up my views on federalism, he surely would've torn me a new one. Considering how relevant that is to the discussion.

:hee:

[Nickdfresh]

I had lunch last month with a former Director of Central Intelligence, and he was on a big kick about Iran...we were in agreement. But he knows more about it than I do.

OOOooooh! Name-dropping now, are we? I'm so impressed....

BTW, which one was it?

What was your "agreement?" You've yet to actually state it...


Then again, he didn't have the killer federalism to fall back on. If he had brought up my views on federalism, he surely would've torn me a new one. Considering how relevant that is to the discussion.

:hee:

Oh, it's very relevant. I mean, if you question the gov't authority to regulate U.S. health care, how can one believe the U.S. gov't has the right to regulate what a recognized nation-state does in its own foreign borders?

Please reconcile that for me...

[LoungeMachine]

I had lunch last month with a former Director of Central Intelligence, :

Just a high paid escort looking for that government contract.......

What kind of "firm" are you trying to get off the ground?

:gulp:

[Blackflag]

Name-dropping...which one

How can I name drop if you don't know which one?




Oh, it's very relevant. I mean, if you question the gov't authority

Read the Constitution. The federal government - the president in particular - has sole authority over foreign relations. "federalism" refers to the balance of power between the states and the fed, and the states have nothing to do with this.

It's just your fallback argument. When you can't think of anything better to say, you start babbling about me and Ron Paul. Desperation.

[Blaze]

.....

Please refrain from using the dit-dot-dit. Thank you for your cooperation.
Blaze -_-

[Blackflag]

Please refrain from using the dit-dot-dit. Thank you for your cooperation.
Blaze -_-

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:fucku2:

[Nickdfresh]

How can I name drop if you don't know which one?

I could always find out and Google him, dick. But good to know that you latch your skirt to figureheads...


Read the Constitution. The federal government - the president in particular - has sole authority over foreign relations. "federalism" refers to the balance of power between the states and the fed, and the states have nothing to do with this.

Which specific part/amendment should I read?


It's just your fallback argument. When you can't think of anything better to say, you start babbling about me and Ron Paul. Desperation.

Right! Because you want your cake, and then you want to eat it too...

[Blackflag]

I could always find out and Google him, dick. But good to know that you latch your skirt to figureheads...

Yes, do that.. Google blackflag and cia. I'm sure you'll find some interesting Rollins writings.




Which specific part/amendment should I read?

Try Article II.




Right! Because you want your cake, and then you want to eat it too...

http://www.pervertslibrary.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/have_my_cake_and_eat_it_too.jpg

[Nickdfresh]

Yes, do that.. Google blackflag and cia. I'm sure you'll find some interesting Rollins writings.

No thanks. I prefer reliable sources. Like your mother telling me how good my cock tasted...



Try Article II.

And which part, specifically?



http://www.pervertslibrary.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/have_my_cake_and_eat_it_too.jpg

:picknose::handjob:

[Blackflag]

And which part, specifically?

Do you want me to read it to you at bedtime too, fag? It's a few hundred words - fucking read it for once.

[Nickdfresh]

Do you want me to read it to you at bedtime too, fag? It's a few hundred words - fucking read it for once.

No. I was just hoping you had the intellectual capacity to cite the appropriate portions to your argument...

Can't say I'm disappointed...

[Blackflag]

Are you seriously suggesting I'm wrong? That foreign relations is not vested in the president, as opposed to congress or the states?

You dispute some of the strangest, most irrelevant things.

[Nickdfresh]

Are you seriously suggesting I'm wrong? That foreign relations is not vested in the president, as opposed to congress or the states?

You dispute some of the strangest, most irrelevant things.


I never "vested" anything, coke rest. I asked for a quote. That is all, ms. hypersensitive...

[LoungeMachine]

I had lunch last month with a former Director of Central Intelligence, and :

LIAR

Which one?


William H. Webster 1987 – 91
Robert M. Gates 1991 – 93
R. James Woolsey 1993 – 95
John M. Deutch 1995 – 96
George J. Tenet 1997 – 2004
Porter J. Goss 2004 – 05
Michael Hayden 2006 - 09




:gulp:


Easily verified

[Blackflag]

"He shall have power, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, to make treaties, . . . he shall receive ambassadors and other public ministers"

Article II | LII / Legal Information Institute (http://topics.law.cornell.edu/constitution/articleii#section2)

[Blackflag]

Easily verified

Ha ha - how??

[Nickdfresh]

"He shall have power, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, to make treaties, . . . he shall receive ambassadors and other public ministers"

Article II | LII / Legal Information Institute (http://topics.law.cornell.edu/constitution/articleii#section2)

ZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz....

Why don't you quote from a childrens' book? It's about as relevant to your point...

[LoungeMachine]

I had lunch last month with a former Director of Central Intelligence, :


Liar.

:gulp:

[VanHalener]

As you can see at the top of this photograph, my garage is CIA Headquarters.

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[VanHalener]

The FBI commandeers my garage to drink beer off duty. Touchy guys when it comes to their beer. I drank one of their beers after they split the first time, and when they returned they threatened to trump up some false charges against me and stick me in prison if ever I touched another one.

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