Who the hell buys this SHIT?

[Unchainme]

Seriously..I admit it, I don't stick to the rock stations on my dial, I flip around to the oldies stations and the mix stations to get my fix of different music, but I at least listen try to listen to say, a rap or 80's pop group that had some song writing ability.

but lately, theres been this wave of like..female slut pop stars that can't sing worth a shit, realeasing shit tunes that have polluted the airwaves.

Hey Ke$ha, shut your damn mouth and go make pornos, you're not a singer and the only thing you have going for you is tits and ass. There's absolutely NO excuse that someone like this should have a record contract, none what-so-ever.

Hey Lady Gaga, you sound like Stevie Nicks, if Stevie Nicks had no singing talent what-so-ever, also, your look and niche was already done by Madonna to death already. Please go back to doing some shit show on bravo and fade into obscurity.

Theres no way possible people could have this bad of a taste in music to buy this shit, correct? (Suckadicki not withstanding). I mean..this has to be just shit pushed on us by clear channel and various other corporate groups that manage music, right?

[binnie]

I hear ya.

As has been the case in pop music since the 80s, this stuff is sold on image not content - 'beautiful people' looking good, looking 'sexy', and looking like what the other 'beautiful people' who present radio and TV define as 'cool.' People buy into the image, not the sound.

That being said, whilst I'm no fan of Lady Gaga at least she has a recognizeable 'sound' - it's a little different from the rest of the pop tarts out there. In a sense, she reminds me of what Gwen Stefani was doing when she went solo five or so years ago - lots of differnt styles of music rolled into one. She doesn't have the songs that Gwen has, but I'd say that she worth a little more than a lot of the other shit I hear at the moment.....

[VanHalenFan5150]

I hear ya, I hear ya... As an active musician these days I understand what you're going through 100%.

[VAiN]

If you've ever tried to have a conversation with most young people between 15-25 you'll totally understand why this garbage is popular... Think about it, a 20-year old was born in 1990 - the last bits of rock died off a few years later and corporate music/Mtv took over... they never had a chance!

[Coyote]

Hey, with the right kind of marketing, you can sell shit as a nutritious snack...

[kwame k]

I'm not sure if it's any better or worse really. When I was growing up they had a number one hit with Disco Duck for Christ's sake.

Manufactured bands and singers are nothing new but it does seem like the quality of songwriting has gone down. To make it in country music, you just need to be a hot blonde, to make it on the pop charts you need an outrageous look and a slut mentality, to make it in rock you need to be an emo-rocker with eyeliner, tattoos, teased hair and zero talent. Fashion changes but the manufactured process stays the same.

[PETE'S BROTHER]

Hey, with the right kind of marketing, you can sell shit as a nutritious snack...

3082:barf:

[sonrisa salvaje]

I'm not sure if it's any better or worse really. When I was growing up they had a number one hit with Disco Duck for Christ's sake.

Manufactured bands and singers are nothing new but it does seem like the quality of songwriting has gone down. To make it in country music, you just need to be a hot blonde, to make it on the pop charts you need an outrageous look and a slut mentality, to make it in rock you need to be an emo-rocker with eyeliner, tattoos, teased hair and zero talent. Fashion changes but the manufactured process stays the same.

I'm with you on this Kwame. I remember as a kid a didn't mind disco at all, but then again i was 8 years old. I still had a sense that the Village People kind of sucked but then again i would still listen to the radio if they were on....what choice did i have? When new wave hit in the early 80's i thought it was cool as shit. Of course by 83-84 i was into hard rock and metal and never looked back. I still look back on the disco fondly and i don't turn it off when i hear it. I often wonder if that is because it reminds me of my youth more than i think it is good music. Somehow, the two merged. With the kids now, such as my daughter, who is 7 i see the same thing happening. She loves Taylor Swift, Lady Gaga, Black Eyed Peas...etc. She is young, carefree, and has no point of reference. To her, it is just what is on the radio and she is ready to accept anything really. I have made progress with her, however, as she does like Highway to Hell by AC/DC and i sometimes catch her singing the chorus around the house. She also likes Queen We Will Rock You/ We Are the Champions. Mostly, though, when i listen to my music she just squints and looks at me like i am crazy. I have friends in their early 30's who think that the 90's music was the greatest thing since sliced bread but when i ask them what is so great about it, they just tell me that it reminds them of high school or college days. What this tells me is that everyone seems to listen to the music of their particular youthfulness and accept it for what it is - better or worse, often with no point of reference to what came before. They will think that it is the best era of music later since it is what they associate with being young. If they have an open mind and are into investigating different eras of music they may go thru phases, hopefully, where they get hooked on the Beatles, or the Stones, or Led Zep (hopefully classic Van Halen too) and they will begin to realize that great music has been around for many decades. If they are closed minded or don't really have an interest in music beyond what is on the radio, then they will never comprehend.

[Kristy]

Seriously..I admit it, I don't stick to the rock stations on my dial, I flip around to the oldies stations and the mix stations to get my fix of different music, but I at least listen try to listen to say, a rap or 80's pop group that had some song writing ability.

but lately, theres been this wave of like..female slut pop stars that can't sing worth a shit, realeasing shit tunes that have polluted the airwaves.

Hey Ke$ha, shut your damn mouth and go make pornos, you're not a singer and the only thing you have going for you is tits and ass. There's absolutely NO excuse that someone like this should have a record contract, none what-so-ever.

Hey Lady Gaga, you sound like Stevie Nicks, if Stevie Nicks had no singing talent what-so-ever, also, your look and niche was already done by Madonna to death already. Please go back to doing some shit show on bravo and fade into obscurity.

Theres no way possible people could have this bad of a taste in music to buy this shit, correct? (Suckadicki not withstanding). I mean..this has to be just shit pushed on us by clear channel and various other corporate groups that manage music, right?

It's way more than corporate slugs like Clear Channel (the Great Satan of Rock 'n' Roll) that is polluting the airwaves much of what I hearing these days is not only shit but downright unlistenable; the tonality and banality of of acts such as Lady GagGa actually hurt my ears. It's hard to say where the blame lies for such crap passing itself off as music to be as popular as it is. Again, it's easy to blame Clear Channel for menacing the airwaves with the lowest common denominator but they're only out to make a dollar or two for themselves they could care less where these horrible acts are coming from or why.

A lot of this mess stems from sites like MySpace where anybody with an instrument, a photo of themselves and a haphazard recorded Mp3 could gain instant recognition status without even trying. It does not matter if you actually have talent - all you need is image and about 10,000 superficial "friends" and you're the next Joey Ramone. In a interview that I read of Elton John (of all people) he said how amazed he was on how easy it to be in band these days for when he started out you had to PROVE yourself in front of an audience every night for months on end before anyone from a record company gave you a nod. Yes, there was actually a time when music was quality over quantity. Those days are gone. It's hard not to be cynical about this because there are people out there with tremendous talent but they're getting sucked into the vortex of well, suck along with all the Lady GaGa's, Tokio Hotel's and Demi Lavato's in the process.

And as for women in pop music these days, you're right much of them are half-assed porn stars who sing about how wonderful it is to be a cock tease for a increasing post-pubescent male fan base while the girls accept this shit as being normal. Don't get me wrong here, I'm not at all coming off as being "feminist" about this but when all you can offer is lame sexuality over being anything cerebral than it's no fucking wonder GaGa's fan base has such a high STD rate. Even when you look back as those like Madonna who fronted her sexuality like radiator grill of a Ford Edsel at least she put some thought process behind the crafting of her tunes (I'm talking her 80's glam output here, right before she turned 35 and started going all goofy) and even when Stevie Nicks penned depressing tunes about heartache, loss and despair did so under the guise that being a woman going through such discouragement in life was a lot more to say then how well you can front your tits on stage.

It's only part of the problem - music is shit these days and the reasons for it all multi-faceted from American Idol to the iPod and just like rock 'n' roll that so many parents hated, I'm afraid it's here to stay.

[binnie]

There have been some great points in this thread.

However, whilst chart music may be by an large shit these days, the idea that rock 'n' roll is dead is a nonesense - I would actually say that hard rock/heavy metal is at a high point at the moment. And no, not all of the bands in question are 'emo'.....

There is a wealth of great music out there - you just have to look for it.

[chefcraig]

Hey, with the right kind of marketing, you can sell shit as a nutritious snack...

Yep, as anyone that has ever tasted tofu can attest.

[ELVIS]

Even when you look back as those like Madonna who fronted her sexuality like radiator grill of a Ford Edsel at least she put some thought process behind the crafting of her tunes

That's a joke, right ??

[VAiN]

There is a wealth of great music out there - you just have to look for it.

I think that's the problem... you have to hunt and turn over a few rocks to get to it... it's not out there and being promoted like all the pop-slop garbage...

[Igosplut]

I have friends in their early 30's who think that the 90's music was the greatest thing since sliced bread but when i ask them what is so great about it, they just tell me that it reminds them of high school or college days. What this tells me is that everyone seems to listen to the music of their particular youthfulness and accept it for what it is - better or worse, often with no point of reference to what came before. They will think that it is the best era of music later since it is what they associate with being young. If they have an open mind and are into investigating different eras of music they may go thru phases, hopefully, where they get hooked on the Beatles, or the Stones, or Led Zep (hopefully classic Van Halen too) and they will begin to realize that great music has been around for many decades. If they are closed minded or don't really have an interest in music beyond what is on the radio, then they will never comprehend.

Well, exactly right. The soundtrack of your youth. When I was in my teens, I pumped gas at a local garage that my old man worked as a mechanic. Both him, and the owner had grown up in the 50/early 60s listening to that time frame of music. So that's what they would listen to at the garage. NEVER would they let us turn the station (one of the first true "Oldies" station WROR in Boston). Wolfman Jack did a show on Saturday nights, where they had the same listener call-in dedications just like back then. And we HATED it (at the time). So now, when I hear 50s music it reminds me of that time in my life, and I'll listen to the songs remembering them fondly. I would say it's the same down the line, music triggering memory's of another time of your life....

[binnie]

I think that's the problem... you have to hunt and turn over a few rocks to get to it... it's not out there and being promoted like all the pop-slop garbage...

It's the same now as it's always been - pick up a music mag and you will quickly find the decent artists. And I mean a decent music mag, one you know you can trust......

[Guitar Shark]

Welcome back, c_b. :cool:

[sonrisa salvaje]

It's the same now as it's always been - pick up a music mag and you will quickly find the decent artists. And I mean a decent music mag, one you know you can trust......

Which one should i pick up first....Hit Parader or Circus?:biggrin:

[binnie]

Which rock mag do you recommend? The last metal mag that was decent was Revolver until they started to put in fashion segment (who in which band was wearing what and where you can buy each article of clothing) in every issue.

I think that Metal Hammer is great. Classic Rock has it's moments, although its reviews section isn't amazing.

Revolver is still a good mag, despite the shitty fashion pieces....

[Diamondjimi]

The people who "run" the corporate machine should be lined up and executed.
They are the scum of the Earth. They have the integrity of a $3 AIDS ridden Hooker.
They do not care about the art of music. 99% of them are NOT musicians. And the 1% that are are failed musicians.
They are nothing but "suits" aiming for the lowest common denominator of the "Joe Public" who couldn't care about the cake and only want icing for the soundtrack
for their trend following lives..

Words of wisdom...
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[sonrisa salvaje]

The suits are the same ones that seem to pick the abolute weakest song on an album to release as the first single. I have never figured that one out. How many times have you bought an album and said "my god, why the hell did they pick that pos song to release?"

[kwame k]

True and it's nice to see the slow death of the music industry. Really, anything you could want is out there and with a little effort you can hear music that you'd never hear in a million years from clear channel.

[Diamondjimi]

Yeah, here's some real talent... :rolleyes:

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[PETE'S BROTHER]

damn you dj !! i watched the whole fucking thing !! :biggrin::barf: i don't know which was worse, her horrific "singing", or the only other sound ya heard was 20 billion little girls screaming and wanting every bit of what she has. very sad.:(

[Diamondjimi]

"Music" for idiots!

[Terry]

Seriously..I admit it, I don't stick to the rock stations on my dial, I flip around to the oldies stations and the mix stations to get my fix of different music, but I at least listen try to listen to say, a rap or 80's pop group that had some song writing ability.

but lately, theres been this wave of like..female slut pop stars that can't sing worth a shit, realeasing shit tunes that have polluted the airwaves.

Hey Ke$ha, shut your damn mouth and go make pornos, you're not a singer and the only thing you have going for you is tits and ass. There's absolutely NO excuse that someone like this should have a record contract, none what-so-ever.

Hey Lady Gaga, you sound like Stevie Nicks, if Stevie Nicks had no singing talent what-so-ever, also, your look and niche was already done by Madonna to death already. Please go back to doing some shit show on bravo and fade into obscurity.

Theres no way possible people could have this bad of a taste in music to buy this shit, correct? (Suckadicki not withstanding). I mean..this has to be just shit pushed on us by clear channel and various other corporate groups that manage music, right?

Frank Zappa pretty much called the ball on a lot of this shit...decades before everyone else caught on.

One of the many nice things about getting older is I just no longer care too much about keeping up with current pop trends. Possibly a result of having too much information available: between the radio, cable and the net, there's just too much input - beyond the point where I care to try and listen to all the latest teen idol pop stars. It's more than enough (and more than it's worth) just to attach names to all the faces, much less try and listen to the music of The Jonas Brothers, Lady Gaga, Miley Cyrus, Katey Perry (is it just Kate? meh, who gives a fuck), Fergie and all the rest beyond maybe a couple of tracks each.

Far as what's getting the biggest push by the waning record industry these days, I for one am pretty unimpressed. Then again, my age demo most likely isn't who these bands are targeting (unless I'm just a Savicki alias).

[PETE'S BROTHER]

Well, exactly right. The soundtrack of your youth. When I was in my teens, I pumped gas at a local garage that my old man worked as a mechanic. Both him, and the owner had grown up in the 50/early 60s listening to that time frame of music. So that's what they would listen to at the garage. NEVER would they let us turn the station (one of the first true "Oldies" station WROR in Boston). Wolfman Jack did a show on Saturday nights, where they had the same listener call-in dedications just like back then. And we HATED it (at the time). So now, when I hear 50s music it reminds me of that time in my life, and I'll listen to the songs remembering them fondly. I would say it's the same down the line, music triggering memory's of another time of your life....

sumthin' about a soundtrack of your youth http://www.snotr.com/video/1299

[sonrisa salvaje]

Frank Zappa pretty much called the ball on a lot of this shit...decades before everyone else caught on.

One of the many nice things about getting older is I just no longer care too much about keeping up with current pop trends. Possibly a result of having too much information available: between the radio, cable and the net, there's just too much input - beyond the point where I care to try and listen to all the latest teen idol pop stars. It's more than enough (and more than it's worth) just to attach names to all the faces, much less try and listen to the music of The Jonas Brothers, Lady Gaga, Miley Cyrus, Katey Perry (is it just Kate? meh, who gives a fuck), Fergie and all the rest beyond maybe a couple of tracks each.

Far as what's getting the biggest push by the waning record industry these days, I for one am pretty unimpressed. Then again, my age demo most likely isn't who these bands are targeting (unless I'm just a Savicki alias).

Good point. While it is easier to find out about new music these days due to the additional resources, it becomes a little much to process. It used to be radio or television ( MTV, Night Flight, or Friday Night Videos) and magazines. Now you have radio, television, publications, satellite radio, internet, on and on.

[ThrillsNSpills]

I had one of those who buys this shit moments when I caught Britney singing(?) her song Womanizer.
I couldn't believe how irritating it was.

[SilvioDante]

Women and young girls buy it....

Living near Nashville I am exposed, unfortunately, to a lot of country music news. That being said, I remember when Conway Twitty died years ago they were doing a news piece on him. In that piece he stated, in an older interview, that when he first got to Nashville he had a hard time breaking thru. Couldn't sell records. Then one day he was reading a trade magazine and there was an article that said women buy more music than men. He said right there he started looking for almost primarily love songs that women could identify and the next thing you know, BOOM, Conway was HUGE.

More proof? The most popular song in the history of iTunes was, and I think still is, is "Don't Stop Believin'", right. Cool classic rock tune. Yeah, but it did not reach that status until it was featured on an episode of MTV's "The Hills" then on the show "Glee". What straight man watches that?

The industry is pulling a Conway and pandering to the market that buys music. Women.

[binnie]

As someone who worked in a record store for 8 years, I can tell you that the people who buy this shioit are the people who view music as entertainment rther than art. Something to put on in the back ground rather than listen too, something to dance too, something tthat feels chirpy. To them it is just a product - and ten years later they'll laugh at the stuff they paid good money for, because to them it is entirely disposable.

These days, there is difference between 'chart music and 'real music'. I think a movie analogy is in order - some peole like movies, and some people like film. Some peole go to the cinema to be entertained, and that's it - they'll lap up the latest blockbuster and think it was 'awesome' because every review told them it was, and because it was big, shiny and loud. Show tha person a film, a real piece of craft like 'the Killing Fields' and it would be wasted on them because they wanted to be entertained, not engaged and moved.

That's why peole who listen to Beyonce don't listen to Pink Floyd.