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BigBadBrian
05-04-2010, 06:11 AM
US says it has 5,113 nuclear warheads

By ANNE GEARAN, AP National Security Writer Anne Gearan, Ap National Security Writer – Mon May 3, 5:34 pm ET

WASHINGTON – The United States has 5,113 nuclear warheads in its stockpile and "several thousand" more retired warheads awaiting the junkpile, the Pentagon said Monday in an unprecedented accounting of a secretive arsenal born in the Cold War and now shrinking rapidly.

The Obama administration disclosed the size of its atomic stockpile going back to 1962 as part of a campaign to get other nuclear nations to be more forthcoming, and to improve its bargaining position against the prospect of a nuclear Iran.

"We think it is in our national security interest to be as transparent as we can be about the nuclear program of the United States," Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton told reporters at the United Nations, where she addressed a conference on containing the spread of atomic weapons.

The U.S. has previously regarded such details as top secret.

The figure includes both "strategic," or long-range weapons, and those intended for use at shorter range.

The Pentagon said the stockpile of 5,113 as of September 2009 represents a 75 percent reduction since 1989.

A rough count of deployed and reserve warheads has been known for years, so the Pentagon figures do not tell nuclear experts much they don't already know.

Hans Kristensen, director of Nuclear Information Project, Federation of American Scientists in Washington, said his organization had already put the number at around 5,100 by reviewing budget estimates and other documents.

The import of the announcement is the precedent it sets, Kristensen said.

"The important part is that the U.S. is no longer going to keep other countries in the dark," he said.

Clinton said the disclosure of numbers the general public has never seen "builds confidence" that the Obama administration is serious about stopping the spread of atomic weapons and reducing their numbers.





But the administration is not revealing everything.

The Pentagon figure released Monday includes deployed weapons, which are those more or less ready to launch, and reserve weapons. It does not include thousands of warheads that have been disabled or all but dismantled. Those weapons could, in theory, be reconstituted, or their nuclear material repurposed.

Estimates of the total U.S. arsenal range from slightly more than 8,000 to above 9,000, but the Pentagon will not give a precise number.

Whether to reveal the full total, including those thousands of nearly dead warheads, was debated within the Obama administration. Keeping those weapons out of the figure released Monday represented a partial concession to intelligence agency officials and others who argued national security could be harmed by laying the entire nuclear arsenal bare.

A senior defense official, speaking on condition of anonymity because the overall total is still classified, did not dispute the rough estimates developed by independent analysts.

Exposure of once-classified totals for U.S. deployed and reserve nuclear weapons is intended to nudge nations such as China, which has revealed little about its nuclear stockpile.

"You can't get anywhere toward disarmament unless you're going to be transparent about how many weapons you have," said Sharon Squassoni, a nuclear policy analyst at the Center for Strategic and International Studies.

Russia and the United States have previously disclosed the size of their stockpiles of deployed strategic weapons, and France and Britain have released similar information. All have signed the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty, which is the subject of the U.N. review that began Monday.

The U.S. revelations are calculated to improve Washington's bargaining power with Iran's allies and friends for the drive to head off what the West charges is a covert Iranian program to build a bomb.

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahamadinejad spoke ahead of Clinton at the conference, denouncing U.S. efforts to pressure his regime to abandon its nuclear program.

The U.N. conference will try to close loopholes in the internationally recognized rules against the spread of weapons technology.

Independent analysts estimate the total world stockpile of nuclear warheads at more than 22,000.

The Federation of American Scientists estimates that nearly 8,000 of those warheads are operational, with about 2,000 U.S. and Russian warheads ready for use on short notice.

The United States and Russia burnished their credentials for insisting that other countries forgo atomic weapons by agreeing last month to a new strategic arms reduction treaty.

The New START treaty sets a limit of 1,550 deployed strategic nuclear warheads for each side, down from 2,200 under a 2002 deal. The pact re-establishes anti-cheating procedures that provide the most comprehensive and substantial arms control agreement since the original 1991 START treaty.

Link (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100503/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_us_nuclear_weapons/print)

BigBadBrian
05-04-2010, 06:13 AM
Why don't you tell the Russians and Chinese where they're all at now, you fuckwad!!!

Seshmeister
05-04-2010, 06:22 AM
Brian this thread is one of your dumbest yet.

kwame k
05-04-2010, 06:39 AM
...and that's saying something:biggrin:

BigBadBrian
05-04-2010, 06:55 AM
KKKwame and Sesh, you both would agree with Obama no matter what, as would your liberal brethren. Try to come up with an original opinion on your own for once. Try to debate this article. You can't. :)

Seshmeister
05-04-2010, 07:22 AM
Your thread is so dumb I don't know where to start.

What's to debate in the article, it's just stating some facts, the stupid bit is your commentary.

Nickdfresh
05-04-2010, 09:16 AM
Brian this thread is one of your dumbest yet.

I know, just when he occasionally makes a good point with an unexpectedly lucid and surprisingly nuanced post, he then totally redeems himself with partisan bulwark stupidity!

Nickdfresh
05-04-2010, 09:18 AM
Why don't you tell the Russians and Chinese where they're all at now, you fuckwad!!!

Really Brian? I mean---realllllllyyyy?

Seriously. The Pentagon is far more guilty of "giving up our secrets" via "white intelligence" with their whiz-bang press releases and support for Military Channel documentaries for defense budget marketing purposes...

LoungeMachine
05-04-2010, 09:58 AM
US says it has 5,113 nuclear warheads

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This just in.....

Both China and Russia now say that since they know the number finally, theywill both be launching a pre-emptive strike on Brie's compound.

:gulp:

LoungeMachine
05-04-2010, 10:00 AM
KKKwame and Sesh, you both would agree with Obama no matter what, as would your liberal brethren. . :)

Bullshit. No lib here has agreed with Obama on everything.

YOU on the other hand have DISAGREED with him on everything, dumbfuck

:gulp:

LoungeMachine
05-04-2010, 10:01 AM
Your thread is so dumb I don't know where to start.

What's to debate in the article, it's just stating some facts, the stupid bit is your commentary.

The art actually lies in the thread title

:lmao:

jhale667
05-04-2010, 10:04 AM
Bullshit. No lib here has agreed with Obama on everything.

YOU on the other hand have DISAGREED with him on everything, dumbfuck

:gulp:


Much like he locked-stepped with EVERYTHING his "infallible" Chimp-in-chief did for 8 years...:rolleyes:

BigBadBrian
05-05-2010, 12:55 PM
Much like he locked-stepped with EVERYTHING his "infallible" Chimp-in-chief did for 8 years...:rolleyes:

See moron, that's where you're wrong.

Now go home, your village is missing its idiot. :biggrin:

jhale667
05-05-2010, 01:37 PM
See moron, that's where you're wrong.

Now go home, your village is missing its idiot. :biggrin:

OH, that's right...you only thought Brownie was doing a "so-so" job. Nice try.


So tell us, what does your village do when YOU'RE away?

knuckleboner
05-05-2010, 08:28 PM
Why don't you tell the Russians and Chinese where they're all at now, you fuckwad!!!

i'll bite...

why exactly does it matter?

i'm not sure that china has enough for a full exchange. but even assuming they did, why would they care? they knew the U.S. had enough. 4,000 is more than enough. 5,000 is more than enough. 5,113, while an exact number, is meaningless. we would never need to get close to that number to blanket china or russia.

Seshmeister
05-05-2010, 08:51 PM
400 is enough never mind 4000.

Other quick points

1) How can you use these things as a deterrent if other countries don't know what you have?

2) You can't have a disarmanent treaty if other countries don't know what you have.

3) This was done last time there was a treaty.

Nickdfresh
05-05-2010, 09:41 PM
i'll bite...

why exactly does it matter?

i'm not sure that china has enough for a full exchange....

It's been a while since I checked, but I'm pretty sure they don't IIRC. I believe the Chinese have little more than a token nuclear arsenal as a more than adequate, and much cheaper to maintain and control, deterrent...

Mushroom
05-06-2010, 01:05 AM
Why don't you tell the Russians and Chinese where they're all at now, you fuckwad!!!

:hee: take no offense... Russian spy agencies know more about our nuclear arsenal than you do

hideyoursheep
05-06-2010, 04:59 AM
But the administration is not revealing everything.



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BigBadBrian
05-06-2010, 10:18 AM
i'll bite...

why exactly does it matter?

i'm not sure that china has enough for a full exchange. but even assuming they did, why would they care? they knew the U.S. had enough. 4,000 is more than enough. 5,000 is more than enough. 5,113, while an exact number, is meaningless. we would never need to get close to that number to blanket china or russia.

It's not about the number, it's about disclosure.

What's next, giving out carrier battle group deployment schedules ( Go IKE!!)?

Publishing troop training, exercise, and deployment timetables?

Telling our enemies when we pull up and leave a warzone? I forgot, he's already done that.

You get the picture.

I think Obama has that progressive grudge against the military and would like to see us a little more equal to everyone else and possibly even a second rate power...like the UK perhaps. :)

LoungeMachine
05-06-2010, 11:23 AM
You get the picture.





That you're an idiot?

Long, long ago.....

:gulp:

Seshmeister
05-06-2010, 04:16 PM
It's not about the number, it's about disclosure.

What's next, giving out carrier battle group deployment schedules ( Go IKE!!)?

Publishing troop training, exercise, and deployment timetables?

Telling our enemies when we pull up and leave a warzone? I forgot, he's already done that.

You get the picture.

I think Obama has that progressive grudge against the military and would like to see us a little more equal to everyone else and possibly even a second rate power...like the UK perhaps. :)

Personally I would like if the UK was a third rate power.

All the third rate powers seem to be richer, happier have better healthcare and less crime.

It doesn't matter how many nukes your country has Brian it isn't going to make your penis any bigger.

Blackflag
05-06-2010, 04:22 PM
Is Switzerland a "third rate power?" I like their position in the world. Except I wish their banks had told the U.S. to go fuck itself. What "rate power" is the Cayman Islands?

bueno bob
05-06-2010, 04:58 PM
It's not about the number, it's about disclosure.

What's next, giving out carrier battle group deployment schedules ( Go IKE!!)?

Well, yeah, obviously.


Publishing troop training, exercise, and deployment timetables?

Definitely.


Telling our enemies when we pull up and leave a warzone? I forgot, he's already done that.

I know, right? God forbid a foreign country have to get it's own business affairs managed within a certain timeframe! But you're right, the lack of a timeline did everybody a world of good in Iraq...and a hundred other places...


You get the picture.

Oh, loud and clear, dumbass.


I think Obama has that progressive grudge against the military and would like to see us a little more equal to everyone else and possibly even a second rate power...like the UK perhaps. :)

Homework project - go research how much money we spend every year on military adventures. THEN go compare that against what the rest of the world spends. Go one deeper and find out how much of that spending is done on irrelevant and outdated projects and MAYBE you'll begin to figure it out.

OR you can come back with more assorted partisan amateur blog-think nonsense and continue to impress the rest of us with how you manage to get through each day without killing yourself in some ridiculous, far-fetched toaster accident of epic proportions.

Jagermeister
05-06-2010, 05:03 PM
Who's idea was the multi quote button?

MAX
05-06-2010, 05:41 PM
Who's idea was the multi quote button?

Fuck, you're even dumber than usual today.

Seshmeister
05-06-2010, 05:43 PM
Hahahaha!

This new board software is very clever...

Blackflag
05-06-2010, 05:48 PM
Who is this new person supposed to be?

Jagermeister
05-06-2010, 05:50 PM
Fuck, Jager you are fuckin awesome dude!


Eat me!

MAX
05-06-2010, 05:58 PM
Eat me!

I don't even think a Tyranosaurus has that much of a king sized appetite, let alone the ability to palate your subsiquent stench?

What are your thought's there eh, you handsome devil?

http://www.rotharmy.com/forums/image.php?groupid=17&dateline=1264097953
Actual photo of fuckfACE doing his part by scaring off illegal immigrants at the Arizona State Border

Blackflag
05-06-2010, 06:02 PM
It's Cockney Cant, isn't it?

MAX
05-06-2010, 06:05 PM
It's Cockney Cant, isn't it?


Nah, fuckfAce is better known for the fact that his one nutted cockney cun't do shit 'cept excite his cousin. :(

Blackflag
05-06-2010, 06:08 PM
Hmm...I liked Cockney Cant's outlook.

Wait, are you saying Ace is CC? Or that Jaeger is Ace?

I'm so confused.

Igosplut
05-06-2010, 07:40 PM
Who is this new person supposed to be?

Ketchup.....

Hardrock69
05-07-2010, 12:54 AM
BigBadBozo is so ignorant it is ridiculous.

China & Russia have always had a pretty good idea of the size of our arsenal, just as we have already had a good idea how many nukes they have.

If dumbass would read the fucking article he might learn something:


A rough count of deployed and reserve warheads has been known for years, so the Pentagon figures do not tell nuclear experts much they don't already know.

Obama is just posturing in public to make a point. Public disclosure is pretty much a non-issue, and has no actual strategic value. I do not think he is talking about Russia or China when he mentions getting 'other nations' to disclose the size of their arsenal.

As usual...BBBozo is getting his panties all in a bunch over nothing. He can come up with nothing of actual value to complain about. He is grasping at straws with this lame post.

bueno bob
05-07-2010, 01:49 AM
BigBadBozo is so ignorant it is ridiculous.

China & Russia have always had a pretty good idea of the size of our arsenal, just as we have already had a good idea how many nukes they have.

If dumbass would read the fucking article he might learn something:



Obama is just posturing in public to make a point. Public disclosure is pretty much a non-issue, and has no actual strategic value. I do not think he is talking about Russia or China when he mentions getting 'other nations' to disclose the size of their arsenal.

As usual...BBBozo is getting his panties all in a bunch over nothing. He can come up with nothing of actual value to complain about. He is grasping at straws with this lame post.

Couldn't have said it better.

Hardrock69
05-07-2010, 11:27 AM
He must still be angry because a BLACK MAN is now President. :hee:

PETE'S BROTHER
05-07-2010, 11:54 AM
He must still be angry because a BLACK MAN is now President. :hee:

who? where? when?:biggrin:

jhale667
05-07-2010, 01:14 PM
He must still be angry because a BLACK MAN is now President. :hee:

Bingo!

Seshmeister
05-07-2010, 01:23 PM
BigBadBozo is so ignorant it is ridiculous.

China & Russia have always had a pretty good idea of the size of our arsenal, just as we have already had a good idea how many nukes they have.



The silos are on Google Earth for fuck sake!

chefcraig
05-07-2010, 01:54 PM
The silos are on Google Earth for fuck sake!

And interestingly enough, Dick Cheney's house was not.

PETE'S BROTHER
05-07-2010, 02:00 PM
he lives in a silo, doesn't he?

Hardrock69
05-07-2010, 02:02 PM
He should. A grain silo.

PETE'S BROTHER
05-07-2010, 02:03 PM
He should. A grain silo.

next to it with all the other swine.

FORD
05-07-2010, 10:25 PM
I think all that tunnelling under the VP residence when Darth lived there was done so he could have a private entrance to Hell installed. He didn't spend half of Chimpy's term in an "undisclosed location", he just went back home so he could keep his mentors Prescott Bush & Adolf Hitler in the loop, and they could advise him, in person, on how to advance the fascist agenda.

Hardrock69
05-08-2010, 12:28 AM
Good call. Would not surprise me in the least. He is evil incarnate.

Dr. Love
05-08-2010, 01:46 AM
Fuck, that's some bull shit right there. Where does Obama get off letting the world know we can only destroy it 50 times over instead of 100.

Hardrock69
05-08-2010, 02:25 AM
Ask BigBadBrucie. He seems to know all that stuff. Otherwise he would not be getting so irate over it. :hee:

Nickdfresh
05-08-2010, 02:33 PM
It's not even their nukes we really need to worry about right now:

http://defensetech.org/2010/04/27/next-gen-coastal-artillery/?ESRC=mr.nl#ixzz0nMcRhFaa

BigBadBrian
05-09-2010, 09:58 AM
He must still be angry because a BLACK MAN is now President. :hee:

Hey DumbAsARock, I usually look forward to the insults you throw at me. They are usually well thought out and even kind of funny.

However, you've fallen into the same lame ass crowd all the other Obama worshippers are in.

Please try to do better next time. :)

Seshmeister
05-09-2010, 10:29 AM
It's not even their nukes we really need to worry about right now:

http://defensetech.org/2010/04/27/next-gen-coastal-artillery/?ESRC=mr.nl#ixzz0nMcRhFaa

If I was an Iranian truck driver I would be really pissed off about this...

Kristy
05-09-2010, 11:51 AM
Now go home, your village is missing its idiot. :biggrin:

Oh, how original of you.

Nickdfresh
05-09-2010, 12:07 PM
If I was an Iranian truck driver I would be really pissed off about this...

They could try being cabbies. But then, the Revolutionary Guard will probably put anti-tank missiles in trunks of taxis...