So long, and thanks for all the fish

[FORD]

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Dead dolphins wash up on coast; oil's role unclear
Meantime, BP says container aimed at capping gusher has reached seafloor
The Associated Press
Wed., May 12, 2010

HORN ISLAND, Miss. - Federal wildlife officials are treating the deaths of six dolphins on the Gulf Coast as oil-related even though other factors may be to blame.

Blair Mase of the National Marine Fisheries Service said the carcasses have all been found in Louisiana, Mississippi and Alabama since May 2.

Samples have been sent for testing to see whether a massive oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico helped kill the dolphins. At least 4 million gallons of oil has spewed into the Gulf in the three weeks since a Transocean Ltd. rig operated by BP PLC exploded and sank, killing 11 workers.

Mase and animal rescue coordinator Michele Kelley in Louisiana said none of the carcasses has obvious signs of oil. Mase also said it's common for dead dolphins to wash up this time of year when they are in shallow waters to calve.

The Associated Press found dolphins swimming and playing in oily waters off Louisiana last week.

Container reaches seafloor

Meantime, BP said Wednesday that a second, smaller container has reached the seafloor, but it hasn't yet been placed over the blown-out well fouling the Gulf of Mexico.

BP spokesman Bill Salvin said Wednesday that the 2-ton box had reached the seabed overnight.

He says it hasn't been positioned over the well yet because engineers want to make sure everything is hooked up correctly. Officials want to avoid the same icy, slushy buildup that thwarted their first attempt at using a much larger box that weighed about 100 tons.

This box will be connected to a ship on the surface by a pipe-within-a-pipe when it's lowered. Crews plan to pump in heated water and methanol so ice won't build up.

Salvin says undersea robots will position the box over the gusher by Thursday.

Copyright 2010 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

URL: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37105656/ns/us_news-gulf_oil_spill/?GT1=43001

oil's role unclear? BULLSHIT! :mad:

[Jagermeister]

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Fucking makes me sick!

[Nitro Express]

Someone needs to grow some balls and make the goal to get off oil by the end of the decade. Kennedy probably sounded nuts when he said we would put a man on the moon but we did. If we can develop an atomic bomb in secret and put men on the moon, we can fucking get off oil. Greed is ruining the world right now on all levels and we are going to go down the shit hole if we don't get some real leadership that isn't bending over for the oil companies, banks, and corporations.

[FORD]

Yep. There's no question that the technology exists to develop wind, solar, and hydrogen fuel cells. The "problem" with those technologies is that no corporation can own the source material, so they can't price fix it, or start wars over it like they can with oil or even natural gas (see Afghanistan). And if we encourage nuclear power, then "Al Qaeda" would suddenly relocate their mostly fictional operations to every uranium rich country on the planet - or at least that's what we would be told.

Fuck the energy industry. Bring on the clean, sensible, sustainable solutions.

[Blackflag]

oil's role unclear


Unclear?

[FORD]

The right wing ASSociated Press wouldn't want to appear "biased" :rolleyes:

[GAR]

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Fucking makes me sick!

Don't take so much viagra when you do coke and screw cumsucking whores.

[Blackflag]

:lmao:

[Nitro Express]

If people really cared about the oil situation we would organize a international oil strike. If people really wanted an alternative energy choice they would organize a strike against oil. Just stay home, don't drive your car, don't buy oil products. Stock up on beer and some food. Have some good books handy to read or hell, just fuck someone you love to burn time. A few days of this would send a pretty good message to the oil brokers and politicians we want alternatives and not business as usual.

People are too passive today. They don't know how to stir the nest and say "Fuck You!". They complain but then continue to enable the same system that fucks them. I'm sure BP gas stations are still busy.

[Nitro Express]

Yep. There's no question that the technology exists to develop wind, solar, and hydrogen fuel cells. The "problem" with those technologies is that no corporation can own the source material, so they can't price fix it, or start wars over it like they can with oil or even natural gas (see Afghanistan). And if we encourage nuclear power, then "Al Qaeda" would suddenly relocate their mostly fictional operations to every uranium rich country on the planet - or at least that's what we would be told.

Fuck the energy industry. Bring on the clean, sensible, sustainable solutions.

There are a lot of geopolitical wars over fossil fuels right now. OPEC is basically in bed with the American/European oil establishment. I always wondered why Japan and China was willing to buy so much of our debt when it was clear we were never going to pay it back. Then I did some research and found out if they didn't buy our debt., OPEC wouldn't sell them oil.

This whole middle east waring business was an attempt by big oil and their military and banking connections to seize an monopoly on the world's cheap oil supply. They thought they could use US military might and technology to seize it. What they didn't see was the failure of the Iraqi people to welcome their liberators, the insurgency problems, and Vladamir Putin kicking big oil out of Russia.

Dick Chenney was to the point of basically trying to stage a war in Georgia to destabalize the area because he had a hunger over the Caspian basin oil but the Russians were onto him and he failed. So the world is split between OPEC and non OPEC(Russia, Iran, Venzuala). Also, the Saudis keep issuing the same oil estimates every year which makes some people think their wells are drying out. They are pumping sea water into some wells which floats the oil to the top which is done when an oil field is ending it's production cycle.

So OPEC may be losing to the non OPEC countries. Why is Iran the bad guy and Norht Korea isn't? North Korea doesn't have oil and Iran does but Iran is not an OPEC stooge. The Saudi Royal family are long-term western lap dogs and whores.

So we have an international oil war going on. between OPEC and Iran, Russia, China, and their various allies. China is making huge investements in alternative energy. They are builiding the world's largest high speed rail system and doing everything they can to have cheap electricity. They have huge polution, energy, and water problems they have to deal with and they know staying on oil isn't going to fix the long-term problems.

I see a continued decline of Europe and North America and the new technologies coming first out of Asia. Mostly Japan and China. This is where the world will get off of oil first. Unlike the US, they don't have a big war machine to feed and are based on consumer goods and trading. Everyone talks about China starting a war. Why would they want to? The west is it's biggest enemy and they are just going to do their thing and take over after the west is through fucking itself. This is one reason assholes like Zibinew Brzinski would love to get China and Russia to fight each other but it isn't going to happen.

The current power brokers in the west are a bunch of assholes heavily invested in war, banking and oil. Their ship is sinking and all they can do is loot what they don't already control in their system and wreck havoc in the world to try and exploit the result somehow. They have no interest in alternative energy or ending wars. They have nothing to gain from peace or clean/cheap energy.

[Nitro Express]

Basically the west is in decline. The only real power it has left is it's big military machine so they are using it. Let's face the facts. Right now we are in what historians in the future will call The Oil Wars. It's not about terrorism at all. It's about elites in the world facing their decline and making a last ditch effort to stay in power by using a big military machine. Obviously they can't attack Russia and China directly so oil rich territory is where the war is being staged and the reason for staging it has to be blamed on terrorism or threats to Israel or whatever. What's really going on is the west took it's eye off of a productive economy and got involved in a speculative paper economy and gave the production to Asia. Asia has done well and has advanced to the point where it isn't taking orders from it's western masters anymore. Japan has just opened it's first naval base since WWII. The western control of the world is in decline and it's trying to keep it. At least the 1% of the west who control 99% of the assets. So the big boys in the world are throwing their tirades and as usual the little guy is caught up in it. Asia has the motive to get off of oil because that eliminates a big problem for them. Japan and China would love to be energy independent and oil is not the answer. Oil will lead to World War III. So it's energy technology or more war. Those are the two choices and frankly the Asians seem saner than the west on the choice.

[Nitro Express]

Iran is basically an ally of China. We have not attacked Iran because of hypersonic anti-ship missles, China's capability of destroying satalites, and some of the world's best small submarine and torpedo technology. China has invested heavily in neurtralizing the US Navy and right now they can. A carrier group is obsolete against a foe like China today. It wouldn't last long. Then the GPS system goes down which the US military frankly is too dependant on. Satalites are the US military achilies heal and China knows this. It's not about Iran, it's about China and Russia and the US frankly, has shot it's wad in Iraq, Afganistahn, and Pakistan. It's running out of money and time. If it wants to take on Iran it will not have the conventional means to do anything. Basically it's a no win situation in the middle east. If it was really about terrorism the US would control our borders better which it has not done. It's about controlling the world's oil supply and Iran is the key. We have surrounded Iran on both sides and now I'm sure much debate is going on what to do next. Obama seems to have no idea. One minute he's a peacemaker and the next he's a Bush style warmonger. I think his puppet masters don't know what to do next either and now the decent people at the Pentagon are starting to rebel. I see an ungraceful ending. Another pooch screw brought to you by the military industrial complex and more dead names to add to the ones it has killed in Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos ect...

[BigBadBrian]

The right wing ASSociated Press wouldn't want to appear "biased" :rolleyes:

All press and news media is pretty much biased to the left except Fox.

[jhale667]

All press and news media is pretty much biased to the left except Fox.

Even if that were true, there's a difference between being "biased toward" and "a blatant extension of".

[BigBadBrian]

True.

MSNBC is "a blatant extension of" the Obamanation. I'm stunned you realize that.

[jhale667]

Run along now Brie - isn't it time to get your marching orders from Rush Limbaugh?

[Mushroom]

Yep. There's no question that the technology exists to develop wind, solar, and hydrogen fuel cells. The "problem" with those technologies is that no corporation can own the source material, so they can't price fix it, or start wars over it like they can with oil or even natural gas (see Afghanistan). And if we encourage nuclear power, then "Al Qaeda" would suddenly relocate their mostly fictional operations to every uranium rich country on the planet - or at least that's what we would be told.

Fuck the energy industry. Bring on the clean, sensible, sustainable solutions.

I think your Al Qaeda/uranium fears are unfounded. 1. you said "fictional" so it's not real. 2. uranium exploration and mining is already taking place all over the world. 3. Al Qaeda's caves are not equipped to make nuclear bombs with raw uranium, they would prefer to buy a pre-made device on the black market, or maybe spent fuel for a less-effective dirty bomb. Security is a concern. Why do you think the US doesn't want Iran to have a nuclear power facility? (by the way, US is not the only country concerned).

Unfortuantely, Wind, Solar and Hydrogen can not power the entire planet unless we make serious reductions in energy demand, and are willing to accept the huge footprints required for all the infrastructure, and willing to accept the environmental consequences too (endangered species, loss of habitat, loss of ecosystems, large roads), and satisfy NIMBY's.

I used to live near a nuclear power facilty (San Onofre)

[FORD]

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[kwame k]

If you asked the average person what we went to war over, a significant percentage are going to say oil........... we lost that war because oil is more expensive now than before we invaded a sovereign nation.

Expanding on the premise about an excuse to control the oil......

A government invaded an oil rich country to help business make record profits, using taxpayers money, killing innocent people and ruining our economy.......and yet we haven't tried any of these criminals for treason or abuse of power? How can we sit here and say we invaded Iraq to control the flow of oil, lie about the reason for the invasion, lie about the costs of the invasion/occupation, promise that we'll be greeted as liberators and that Iraq would offset our expense of invading the country by paying us back with their oil money, when at the end of the day we're no better off than when we invaded Iraq.....except we have a huge bill to pay back to the Communists.

Correct me if I'm wrong but this isn't a Right Wing or a Left Wing issue but a basic issue that effects every one of us......

Yet, we are doing nothing to correct our mistakes........

[Blaze]

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This political cartoon was in the newspaper in June of 1990. Sadly, it is still current.
(View large size to read clearly.) I moved from San Francisco to Anchorage in July that same year and have thought of this clipping many times as oil spills have happened around the globe. I think Mr. Toles is entitled to take a day off and re-run one of his old pieces...if he has not already done so.

I have emailed Mr. Toles hoping he won't mind my posting this here. If I remove it it was at his request.

If you are not familiar with his work here's a link:
voices.washingtonpost.com/tomtoles/
It's being added to MY favorites!

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