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fryingdutchman

05-26-2010, 12:04 PM

NYC government approves Ground Zero mosque

NEW YORK (AFP) – A New York community board has resoundingly backed a controversial plan for an Islamic cultural center and mosque two blocks from Ground Zero.

The non-binding vote by the Manhattan community board late Monday passed 29:1 with 10 abstentions in a strong endorsement of the planned project.

Supporters say the proposed Cordoba House will transform negative stereotypes about Islam prevalent in the city since the September 11, 2001, attack on the World Trade Center.

"We expected some opposition. I think we have reached a moment where certain things are starting to get flushed out. Certain emotions are coming to the surface. We have learned a lot from this," said Daisy Khan, who is part of the project.

"I'm actually glad this kind of debate is taking place," she said.

Opponents complain that a mosque so close to Ground Zero, where Islamist hijackers crashed two airliners into the Twin Towers, killing almost 3,000 people, is an insult to the memory of the dead.

But Manhattan borough president Scott Stringer said that "for anyone to imply that a mosque is not appropriate in New York..., that is just an un-American attitude."

"I'll do everything I can to make sure this mosque does get opened and people have the right to assemble there and practice their religion," he told the Daily News.

The proposed Islamic center is to be built on the site of a former clothing shop and is planned to contain sports facilities and a theater, as well as the mosque.

fryingdutchman

05-26-2010, 12:10 PM

OK....I know that we have freedom of religion in this country...and I respect that as one of the cornerstones that makes our country great.

And I know that not all Islamics are radical extremists hell-bent on killing us.

So to all the hardcore left-wingers who are poised to pounce, just relax.

But.....REALLY? A mosque two blocks from where Islamic extremists killed thousands of Americans in the blink of an eye?

It just doesn't sit very well....at least not at first blush.

What's next? Approving the construction of locker-room style group showers next to the Holocaust Museum?

Erecting Catholic churches next to abortion clinics?

If it's just me who thinks that this idea (while perfectly legal and sound) just isn't very "smart", then blast away.

Catfish

05-26-2010, 12:13 PM

I hope someone sends a fueled-up red-white-and-blue airplane into this fucking mosque!!!!

jhale667

05-26-2010, 12:14 PM

Makes me wonder if that will be incorporated into tours of the proposed Mosque: "Down the street, you'll see the memorial for when several of our.....more...obnoxious members took matters into their own hands...oopsie. Straight ahead you'll find the restrooms and concession stand..." :rolleyes:

Seshmeister

05-26-2010, 12:15 PM

Two blocks is quite far. How big is your Muslim exlusion zone going to be? Manhatten?

Personally I think they should have built a runway...

fryingdutchman

05-26-2010, 12:20 PM

NYC government approves Ground Zero mosque
But Manhattan borough president Scott Stringer said that "for anyone to imply that a mosque is not appropriate in New York..., that is just an un-American attitude."

I don't think that anyone is suggesting that a mosque is inappropriate anywhere in New York City, just in that particular location.

There are MANY mosques already in the various boros of NYC. A quick Yahoo search of "listing of New York City mosques" turned up this tons of listings.

fryingdutchman

05-26-2010, 12:25 PM

Two blocks is quite far. How big is your Muslim exlusion zone going to be? Manhatten?

Well...see my post that came in right under yours.

I see the point of "how far away is far enough?"

But there are already tons of mosques in NYC.

I'm not against mosques or the Islamic religion. I just think that this idea shows a bit of insensitivity and poor judgement, and I think the pendulum is swinging too far the other way to make us all "just get along" a la Rodney King.

Ultimately I think it may actually make relations worse instead of better. Inevitably, if it does get built, you'll have some bulletheads who go out and trash it and try to burn it down. People will get hurt and possibly even die, and who needs more of that?

Oh well...at least all of us level-headed folk here at the Army can debate it in a civilized forum. (tongue firmly in cheek...)

Seshmeister

05-26-2010, 12:31 PM

To be honest this thread confused me a bit as since you had your location down as 'The Original Capital' I always assumed you were from London...:)

ELVIS

05-26-2010, 12:36 PM

Muslim exclusion zone...are you MAD ???

chefcraig

05-26-2010, 12:37 PM

This is about as dumb as building a vegetarian diner right next to a cow rendering factory, as it insults both interested parties.

"We expected some opposition. I think we have reached a moment where certain things are starting to get flushed out. Certain emotions are coming to the surface. We have learned a lot from this," said Daisy Khan, who is part of the project. "I'm actually glad this kind of debate is taking place," she said.

Uh-huh. You want "debate", sweetheart? Here's an idea: instead of building a house of worship dedicated to a religion who's members feel it just dandy to hijack planes and kill innocent people a few blocks away from where such a horrific event took place, why not first rent an auditorium somewhere and invite the families of those murdered to offer their opinion? I'm fairly certain that you'll get all the "debate" that you can handle.

Catfish

05-26-2010, 12:47 PM

Would anyone ever build a Hooters in Muslim? Fuck no!

FUCK THIS!!!!

jhale667

05-26-2010, 12:50 PM

Would anyone ever build... in Muslim?

Where is this "Muslim" of which you speak, Brainiac? :rolleyes:

Catfish

05-26-2010, 12:51 PM

Where is this "Muslim" of which you speak, Brainiac? :rolleyes:

At least your sense of humor is sharp!

You dumb fuck!

jhale667

05-26-2010, 12:53 PM

At least your sense of humor is sharp!

You dumb fuck!

Far sharper than your "wit" or knowledge of Geography... Asshat.

Blaze

05-26-2010, 12:53 PM

What's next? Approving the construction of locker-room style group showers next to the Holocaust Museum?

Erecting Catholic churches next to abortion clinics?
You mean a Church next to the holocaust museum and a condom factory next to the abortion clinic....

Seshmeister

05-26-2010, 12:59 PM

Blaze

05-26-2010, 01:00 PM

http://www.letsrollforums.com/Blog/HitlerWithFan.jpg

Catfish

05-26-2010, 01:01 PM

Far sharper than your "wit" or knowledge of Geography... Asshat.

That's 0 for 2 on your sarcasm meter!

Catfish

05-26-2010, 01:02 PM

A list of the 77 countries whose citizens died as a result of the attacks on September 11, 2001

. Antigua & Barbuda
. Ghana
. Panama
. Argentina
. Greece
. Peru
. Australia
. Guatemala
. Philippines
. Austria
. Guyana
. Poland
. Bahamas
. Haiti
. Portugal
. Bangladesh
. Honduras
. Romania
. Barbados
. Hong Kong (China)
. Russia
. Belgium
. India
. Slovakia
. Belarus
. Indonesia
. South Africa
. Belize
. Iran
. South Korea
. Bolivia
. Ireland
. Spain
. Brazil
. Israel
. Sri Lanka
. Cambodia
. Italy
. St. Kitts & Nevis
. Canada
. Jamaica
. St. Lucia
. Chile
. Japan
. Sweden
. China
. Jordan
. Switzerland
. Colombia
. Kenya
. Taiwan
. Costa Rica
. Lebanon
. Thailand
. Czech Republic
. Luxembourg
. Trinidad & Tobago
. Dominica
. Malaysia
. Turkey
. Dominican Republic
. Mexico
. Ukraine
. Ecuador
. Netherlands
. UK
. Egypt
. New Zealand
. Uruguay
. El Salvador
. Nicaragua
. USA
. France
. Norway
. Uzbekistan
. Germany
. Pakistan
. Zimbabwe

Quite a few muslims in there I think.

Well, to be fair Sesh, none of those bastards should have been here, anyway :biggrin:

ELVIS

05-26-2010, 01:15 PM

I guess clearing the site with passenger jetliners was a wise choice...

Catfish

05-26-2010, 01:24 PM

chefcraig

05-26-2010, 01:29 PM

Don't they all just drop everything a few times a day, dust off a towel, bend over and pray to Allan no matter where they are??? You can do that shit in front of your TV!

Huh? http://www.easyfreesmileys.com/smileys/free-confused-smileys-718.gif (http://www.easyfreesmileys.com/facebook-smileys.html)

http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/7607/passwordwithallenludden.jpg (http://img202.imageshack.us/i/passwordwithallenludden.jpg/)

Catfish

05-26-2010, 01:31 PM

Odd how no one finds humor in intended ignorance anymore...

jhale667

05-26-2010, 01:31 PM

That's 0 for 2 on your sarcasm meter!

And 0 for 54 on your worthy postometer.

chefcraig

05-26-2010, 01:35 PM

Odd how no one finds humor in intended ignorance anymore...

I thought I did...:(

Catfish

05-26-2010, 01:37 PM

I thought I did...:(

I think gayhale667 is jading me. That guy's a buffoon!

Jagermeister

05-26-2010, 01:39 PM

Supporters say the proposed Cordoba House will transform negative stereotypes about Islam prevalent in the city since the September 11, 2001, attack on the World Trade Center.

Bull Fuckin Shit. I'm telling you people. There is no such thing as a non extremist Muslim. They all believe we ( Americans) are evil and they want to destroy us all.
So based on that FACT. Lets just give away land so they can build more houses of evil. Just fuckin great.

Catfish

05-26-2010, 01:44 PM

jhale667

05-26-2010, 01:45 PM

Bull Fuckin Shit. I'm telling you people. There is no such thing as a non extremist Muslim. They all believe we ( Americans) are evil and they want to destroy us all.
So based on that FACT. Lets just give away land so they can build more houses of evil. Just fuckin great.

Gee, considering the Muslim co-worker sitting across from my desk as I type this hasn't tried to convert, blow up or BEHEAD me in over 3 years, calling bullshit on your "fact". Pop your head out of your ass, k?

I think gayhale667 is jading me. That guy's a buffoon!

Flattered by your advances, but I don't swing your way, Catshit.

Jagermeister

05-26-2010, 01:46 PM

:umm:
I think gayhale667 is jading me. That guy's a buffoon!

I really don't think he's the buffoon.:umm:

He's knows Warren Demartini.;)

Jagermeister

05-26-2010, 01:50 PM

chefcraig

05-26-2010, 01:56 PM

Bull Fuckin Shit. I'm telling you people. There is no such thing as a non extremist Muslim. They all believe we ( Americans) are evil and they want to destroy us all.

"...it's the duty of every real American to be on the lookout for goldbricks, pinko's and fellow travelers. 'Course without the likes of Americans like you the jobs of Americans like me would be a lot more difficult. But don't get me wrong, Americans like me like difficult jobs. So don't get the idea you're doing the CIA any favors. We don't really need Americans like you, we don't need anybody. We've got files on people who haven't even been born."

http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/64/flagg.jpg (http://img101.imageshack.us/i/flagg.jpg/)

jhale667

05-26-2010, 01:57 PM

No I'll stick to my view you stick with the rag head co worker. Mkay!

Sikhs were turbans, not Muslims you ignorant fuck.

Catfish

05-26-2010, 01:58 PM

Jagermeister

05-26-2010, 01:58 PM

Gee, considering the Muslim co-worker sitting across from my desk as I type this hasn't tried to convert, blow up or BEHEAD me in over 3 years, calling bullshit on your "fact". Pop your head out of your ass, k?

Flattered by your advances, but I don't swing your way, Catshit.

Oh and another thing I'm tired of you thinking that your opinion is all that matters. I don't give a fuck if you swim in the fucking melting pot of ethnic bliss in Cali. I don't share your views so calling me a dumbass because I don't share your views is fucking ignorant.

Catfish

05-26-2010, 01:59 PM

Sikhs were turbans, not Muslims you ignorant fuck.

He said 'rags' not 'turbans' you illiterate ignorant fuck!

jhale667

05-26-2010, 02:00 PM

He's lulling you. That's what they do. You're fuckin' toast, dude.

It's a HER, and you're a fuckin' MORON, dude.

Catfish

05-26-2010, 02:01 PM

It's a HER, and you're a fuckin' MORON, dude.

A Muslim chick! I've ALWAYS wanted to fuck one of those!

Does she let you see her face???

Anonymous

05-26-2010, 02:05 PM

A Muslim chick! I've ALWAYS wanted to fuck one of those!

Does she let you see her face???

No, it's forbidden.

Doesn't say anything in the rules about CUMMIN' on her face, though, so I guess that's ok.

Lift the tip a bit, and shoot it inside.

Cheers! :bottle:

jhale667

05-26-2010, 02:05 PM

A Muslim chick! I've ALWAYS wanted to fuck one of those!

Does she let you see her face???

None of the Muslim girls I know wear Burkas, no. Some of them are quite hot, btw.

Jagermeister

05-26-2010, 02:07 PM

I don't feel sorry for them.

Anonymous

05-26-2010, 02:09 PM

Gee, considering the Muslim co-worker sitting across from my desk as I type this hasn't tried to convert, blow up or BEHEAD me in over 3 years

But has she tried to blow you?

Do muslims bathe or are they like gipsies and/or hippies? Let it all grow, all "natural"...

Cheers! :bottle:

lesfunk

05-26-2010, 02:11 PM

How big is your Muslim exlusion zone going to be?

The White House would be a good start

Anonymous

05-26-2010, 02:11 PM

She's a normal 20-something recent college grad whose speech is littered with filler words such as "like" and "whatever."

Whatevs. No one like, normal should, like, say "like" & "whatever" every other word. Whatever.

Cheers! :bottle:

Catfish

05-26-2010, 02:12 PM

No, it's forbidden.

Doesn't say anything in the rules about CUMMIN' on her face, though, so I guess that's ok.

Lift the tip a bit, and shoot it inside.

Cheers! :bottle:

Oh my god!

:baaa:

hambon4lif

05-26-2010, 02:14 PM

I have a Muslim coworker as well. She's a normal 20-something recent college grad whose speech is littered with filler words such as "like" and "whatever."Oh fuck! Those chicks are my FAVORITE! (except for the 'normal' part...I could do without that, it does nothing for me).

Is she hot? Got a pic?

Catfish

05-26-2010, 02:15 PM

I have a Muslim coworker as well. She's a normal 20-something recent college grad whose speech is littered with filler words such as "like" and "whatever." I cringed as I overheard other coworkers asking her about her religion. People are so ignorant. I felt bad that she had to answer all these stupid questions. She laughed and said, "We're not crazy." It's sad that she had to say that to relax people's misplaced fear, you know?

Nah, there's nothing misplaced about worrying about someone strapping a fucking bomb to their chest and bringing it to work because you don't bend over and face east nine times a day!

But if gayhale667 knows a bunch of hot Muslim chicks, well then, this is something we have to start looking into!

Catfish

05-26-2010, 02:18 PM

The White House would be a good start

:rockon:

Catfish

05-26-2010, 02:18 PM

It's normal. But just because something is the norm doesn't mean it's right.

Sort of like reading about how all infidels should die in the Ko-Ran!

hambon4lif

05-26-2010, 02:19 PM

The White House would be a good startHoly Fuck! :lmao:

he shoots...he scores!!

Jagermeister

05-26-2010, 02:21 PM

According to Muslim theology, mankind's chief failing is pride and rebellion. In their pride, humans attempt to partner themselves with God and thereby damage the unity of God. Thus pride is Islam's cardinal sin. The cardinal virtue, then, is submission, or islam.

Yeah that's me. See they hate me.

Catfish

05-26-2010, 02:25 PM

You've actually met someone like this?

You've never heard/watched on the news or read about WHITE people bringing guns to their places of employ or to schools to shoot people? :umm:

Yeah, well there's more white people in this part of the world than there are Muslims.

For now.

So hey, why hasn't jhale667 shown us a pic of this smokin' hot Muslim he works with yet???

FORD

05-26-2010, 02:25 PM

How many mosques do these fuckers need, anyway? Don't they all just drop everything a few times a day, dust off a towel, bend over and pray to Allan no matter where they are??? You can do that shit in front of your TV!

Pray to Allan?

http://www.citydirt.net/Black_Panther_on_mud_hill.jpg

I didn't think that religious cult was still around. :lmao:

jhale667

05-26-2010, 02:27 PM

So hey, why hasn't jhale667 shown us a pic of this smokin' hot Muslim he works with yet???

Even if I normally might - after the stupid shit you've been saying? Not a chance.

Seshmeister

05-26-2010, 02:29 PM

Catfish

05-26-2010, 02:29 PM

Even if I normally might - after the stupid shit you've been saying? Not a chance.

So you won't post it because I'm a jerk? A lot of people want to see her, not just me.

Now everyone's going to be mad at me :(

Jagermeister

05-26-2010, 02:33 PM

Have you read the crazy shit that's in the bible?

Yes.....

Anonymous

05-26-2010, 02:36 PM

It's normal. But just because something is the norm doesn't mean it's right.

I couldn't stop laffing when I saw this.

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From his "Like, Whatever" (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Dylan-Moran-Like-Totally-Live/dp/B000J3EG58) stand up. He also takes on the Deutschlanders, Britlanders, etc...

Cheers! :bottle:

Jagermeister

05-26-2010, 02:38 PM

Discrimination on the basis of religion is fundamental to shari'a. By religious edict, Islam must be dominant; only Muslims are considered to be full citizens. Jews and Christians are defined as dhimmis (literally “protected” i.e. permitted to live). However this protection is on condition that they do not bear arms, know their lowly place in society, treat Muslims with respect, and pay a special poll tax (jizya).

FORD

05-26-2010, 02:41 PM

Yeah, well there's more white people in this part of the world than there are Muslims.

For now.

So hey, why hasn't jhale667 shown us a pic of this smokin' hot Muslim he works with yet???

How about Miss USA?

http://images.huffingtonpost.com/2010-05-17-RimaFakihpoledancing.jpg

Praise be upon Allah for her!! :eatit:

Jagermeister

05-26-2010, 02:43 PM

Now this sounds ok

Shari'a discriminates on the basis of gender. Men are regarded as superior. Women are treated as deficient in intelligence, morals and religion, and must therefore be protected from their own weaknesses. Shari'a rules enforce modesty in dress and behavior and the segregation of the sexes. These regulations place women under the legal guardianship of their male relatives. Women are inherently of less value than men in many legal rulings. A man is allowed up to four wives, but women can have only one husband. A man can divorce his wife easily; a woman faces great obstacles should she want a divorce from her husband. A daughter inherits half as much as a son, and the testimony of a female witness in court is worth only half that of a male witness. In cases of murder, the compensation for a woman is less than that given for a man.

Jagermeister

05-26-2010, 02:44 PM

jhale. If that womans a muslim you should have your way with her right now!

Catfish

05-26-2010, 02:46 PM

How about Miss USA?

http://images.huffingtonpost.com/2010-05-17-RimaFakihpoledancing.jpg

Praise be upon Allah for her!! :eatit:

:killer:

The things I would do to her.

Goes to show how ignorant we all can be. Once they shave, bathe and take those fucking body robes off, some of them are beyond fuckable!

jhale667

05-26-2010, 02:50 PM

Miss USA is living proof the terrorists are LOSING. :sex:

Catfish

05-26-2010, 02:54 PM

Jhale, tell your co-worker I said what's up.

jhale667

05-26-2010, 02:58 PM

Jhale, tell your co-worker I said what's up.

Let me think about that....No.

PETE'S BROTHER

05-26-2010, 03:01 PM

sammy is muslim, right?

Jagermeister

05-26-2010, 03:02 PM

I like jhale.

I wish he hated muslims though. :(

Catfish

05-26-2010, 03:05 PM

i like jhale.

I wish he hated muslims though. :(

lol!!

Jagermeister

05-26-2010, 03:07 PM

FORD

05-26-2010, 03:20 PM

sammy is muslim, right?

He's from Lebanese ancestry, I believe.

Though it's an interesting fact that Muslims & Arabs trace their hertitage back to Ishmael, the son of Abraham just as Jews trace theirs back to Abraham's son Isaac. Isaac's mother was Abe's wife Sarah. When it didn't look like God was going to deliver on His promise of the 90-something Sarah dropping a baby, that's when Mrs. Abe told him to go fuck the maid if he really wanted a kid that bad. So Abe did, and that's where Ishmael came from.

The maid's name? HAGAR.

Blaze

05-26-2010, 04:18 PM

WTF?

Female genital mutilation is widespread among some Muslim communities, especially in Egypt, East Africa, Yemen, and Indonesia. Many Muslim leaders see the practice as essential for preserving women’s chastity on which family honor largely depends

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http://www.nocirc.org/

http://www.mothersagainstcirc.org/plastibell.htm

http://www.luckystiff.org/intact_messages.php

http://www.luckystiff.org/circumcision/information/The_Case_Against_Circumcision-6.pdf

http://goodfellasmusic.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/circumcision1.jpg

http://api.ning.com/files/AaZlJHll9OmU0D4qe3vFYCJhgmw9bdmxabGPdxWP5LDvAyPEoZ 0ToDUjBWBxZa4cp2IgAwjfT*Kr0L0qmwU0CTLytJTvcikx/baby.gif

http://kansasfamilymedicine.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/circumcision.jpg

http://www.danheller.com/images/Topics/Circumcision/circumcision-04-big.jpg

http://www.documentingreality.com/forum/attachments/f10/102055d1257690182-male-circumcision-circ00.jpg

Jagermeister

05-26-2010, 04:25 PM

:umm:

Ohh come on blaze!

Take another pain pill....

Blaze

05-26-2010, 04:40 PM

:umm:

Ohh come on blaze!

Take another pain pill....
Do not watch if squimsh.
http://www.medicanalife.com/watch_video.php?v=bc4494b8c22041a

sadaist

05-26-2010, 04:57 PM

:killer:

The things I would do to her.

Goes to show how ignorant we all can be. Once they shave, bathe and take those fucking body robes off, some of them are beyond fuckable!

Oh hell yes. My Kuwaiti friend has sent me some pics of his friends when they've gone hanging out at some different places. Some of the girls there are outstanding!

Catfish

05-26-2010, 05:20 PM

Oh hell yes. My Kuwaiti friend has sent me some pics of his friends when they've gone hanging out at some different places. Some of the girls there are outstanding!

Post, please. Thank you.

fryingdutchman

05-26-2010, 06:08 PM

You mean a Church next to the holocaust museum and a condom factory next to the abortion clinic....

Yeah....I guess I could have used better examples.

Perhaps opening a branch of the Aryan Nation next to the Holocaust Museum?

fryingdutchman

05-26-2010, 06:13 PM

A list of the 77 countries whose citizens died as a result of the attacks on September 11, 2001

. Antigua & Barbuda
. Ghana
. Panama
. Argentina
. Greece
. Peru
. Australia
. Guatemala
. Philippines
. Austria
. Guyana
. Poland
. Bahamas
. Haiti
. Portugal
. Bangladesh
. Honduras
. Romania
. Barbados
. Hong Kong (China)
. Russia
. Belgium
. India
. Slovakia
. Belarus
. Indonesia
. South Africa
. Belize
. Iran
. South Korea
. Bolivia
. Ireland
. Spain
. Brazil
. Israel
. Sri Lanka
. Cambodia
. Italy
. St. Kitts & Nevis
. Canada
. Jamaica
. St. Lucia
. Chile
. Japan
. Sweden
. China
. Jordan
. Switzerland
. Colombia
. Kenya
. Taiwan
. Costa Rica
. Lebanon
. Thailand
. Czech Republic
. Luxembourg
. Trinidad & Tobago
. Dominica
. Malaysia
. Turkey
. Dominican Republic
. Mexico
. Ukraine
. Ecuador
. Netherlands
. UK
. Egypt
. New Zealand
. Uruguay
. El Salvador
. Nicaragua
. USA
. France
. Norway
. Uzbekistan
. Germany
. Pakistan
. Zimbabwe

Quite a few muslims in there I think.

OK Sesh....but is that supposed to make us go easier on the murderous Islamic extremist bastards because not only do they not give a shit about American lives, but also don't give a shit about citizens from the rest of the world?

I'll amend my earlier to comments to say that they killed thousands of Americans AND a bunch of citizens from other countries, too.

Senseless murder in the name of Allah is still murder...no matter where in the world the victims are from.

Seshmeister

05-26-2010, 06:38 PM

I don't like any religions I was just saying that they killed people of all religions. Also since they went to strip clubs soon before and ignored the Koran laws about killing innocent people then it's no more fair to ban mosques from being near ground zero than to ban churches from being built in Waco, Texas.

FORD

05-26-2010, 06:47 PM

Post, please. Thank you.

Well, here's an Iranian chick who won some sort of bikini cuntest in Houston. She would have had my vote :sex:

http://www.iranian.com/PhotoDay/2006/April/Images/h2.jpg

Nitro Express

05-27-2010, 04:17 AM

If they are going to zone the NYC financial district for religious buildings I say the Jews need to build a HUGE temple next to the mosque. :biggrin:

Nitro Express

05-27-2010, 04:19 AM

The Mormons like to build big, flashy temples and light them up at night. Put one of those next to the mosque as well. They have one up at Lincoln Center already but hey, Mormons are a temple building people and have a huger for investing in real estate.

Nitro Express

05-27-2010, 04:22 AM

Well, here's an Iranian chick who won some sort of bikini cuntest in Houston. She would have had my vote :sex:

http://www.iranian.com/PhotoDay/2006/April/Images/h2.jpg

Dammit Ford, I think Persian women are hot as well. Good thing we don't hang out at the same bars because we would be fighting over the same women.

jero

05-27-2010, 04:40 AM

Most of them are not allowed to go to bars

Nickdfresh

05-27-2010, 09:02 AM

Nickdfresh

05-27-2010, 09:14 AM

Huh? http://www.easyfreesmileys.com/smileys/free-confused-smileys-718.gif (http://www.easyfreesmileys.com/facebook-smileys.html)

http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/7607/passwordwithallenludden.jpg (http://img202.imageshack.us/i/passwordwithallenludden.jpg/)

He means Allan the Panther. All praise the glory that be Allan the Panther!

http://www.citydirt.net/Black_Panther_on_mud_hill.jpg

Nickdfresh

05-27-2010, 09:20 AM

Pray to Allan?

http://www.citydirt.net/Black_Panther_on_mud_hill.jpg

I didn't think that religious cult was still around. :lmao:

Ha! Ford beat me too it! All praise Allan! I command thee to kneel before thy panther God!

Nickdfresh

05-27-2010, 09:23 AM

Jagermeister

05-27-2010, 09:26 AM

Dammit Ford, I think Persian women are hot as well. Good thing we don't hang out at the same bars because we would be fighting over the same women.

http://funnypics.free.fr/explorer/public/img/h/hitit300yardssniper.jpg

Nitro Express

05-27-2010, 05:02 PM

Most of them are not allowed to go to bars

Unless you are at a beach resort in Turkey my friend. Great religious oppression creates nice juicy rebellion when daddy is away.

Nitro Express

05-27-2010, 05:04 PM

fryingdutchman

05-28-2010, 05:08 AM

Pray to Allan?

http://www.citydirt.net/Black_Panther_on_mud_hill.jpg

I didn't think that religious cult was still around. :lmao:

The LARG is strong with this post....

FORD

05-28-2010, 05:09 AM

Those chicks need a decent camera.

Va Beach VH Fan

08-04-2010, 09:11 PM

The more I think of it, the more I think this issue (freedom of religion) is very similar to the burning of the American Flag (freedom of expression)....

And as such, I think President Andrew Sheppard said it best in The American President:

American isn't easy. America is advanced citizenship. You gotta want it bad, 'cause it's gonna put up a fight. It's gonna say, "You want free speech? Let's see you acknowledge a man whose words make your blood boil, who's standing center stage and advocating, at the top of his lungs, that which you would spend a lifetime opposing at the top of yours. You want to claim this land as the land of the free, then the symbol of your country can't just be a flag; the symbol also has to be one of its citizens exercising his right to burn that flag in protest.

FORD

08-04-2010, 09:38 PM

LoungeMachine

08-04-2010, 09:39 PM

Dr. Love

08-04-2010, 10:22 PM

I havent read the thread, but.........

Denying the mosque is EXACTLY what the Islamo-wackos would love [and the Glenn Becks/Palins/ et al]

Allowing the mosque says WE'RE stronger, wiser, and not a bunch of hypocritical ass wipes who claim they based their country on FREEDOM OF RELIGION

:gulp:

You really should read the thread. Some dummy in the first page or two tries to be funny with "intentional ignorance" but no one seems to be able to distinguish it from his normal nonsense.

:lol:

Hardrock69

08-04-2010, 11:35 PM

Sure....knee-jerk reaction is to say "WTF???" about this issue.

But a majority of Muslims hate extremists just as we do, as it reflects badly on those who are truly good people.

We have the same BS going on in a small town just south of Gnashville. Never mind that the Muslims in question had been worshipping in a mosque in the center of the town for TEN FUCKING YEARS. When their application for a zoning change to allow them to build a community center on some land they had BOUGHT was approved by the county commission, the ignorant hillbillies went apeshit. Still going nutso about it.

We either allow freedom of religion or we do not. Same goes for freedom of speech. Unless of course we are talking bout Garfuckle posting at the RothArmy forums. :hee:

Hardrock69

08-04-2010, 11:36 PM

FORD

08-04-2010, 11:44 PM

Well GAyR used to post here as a Muslim (or actually the Muslim deity) and look where that got us....

Hardrock69

08-04-2010, 11:50 PM

True. Exactly one of the MAJOR reasons why I said that.

Mushroom

08-05-2010, 03:11 PM

What they should really do at "Ground Zero" is bring in some Native Americans to give the whole site a good smudging, and then build a big sweatlodge there.

After all, who's been fighting the "terraists" longer than anybody?

http://music.swtbrds.com/media/uploads/blog-images/HomelandSecurity1492_swtbrds.jpg

I don't mind the sweatlodges at all. Native american monument is acceptable.

But to accept a Mosque built at ground zero is absolute pandering to make a certain minority ethnicity or religious group feel good in America - it's bullshit.

Imagine the symbolic ramifications too -- this will only fuel islamic extremists and give them the satisfaction that they are craving - a monument to their "success"

Mushroom

08-05-2010, 03:18 PM

...And al Qaida is far more likely to kill other Muslims in terrorist attacks than they are Westerners....

where did you get that from? Al Qaida attack in Indonesia, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq,.... ok, more likely to kill more muslims than westerners. Al Qaida attack in America is far more likely to kill Westerners than muslims - I tend to believe Al Qaida would love another successful attack on American soil.

ULTRAMAN VH

08-06-2010, 03:52 AM

There are about 90 mosques in NYC, do they really need to build a super mosque a block away from ground zero? It really is absurd and in piss poor taste. Would love to know who the shit disturber is financing this project.

Ruprecht

08-06-2010, 05:06 AM

i think building mosque shows that us amercians have tolerence, that is a good thing

Nickdfresh

08-06-2010, 07:54 AM

where did you get that from? Al Qaida attack in Indonesia, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq,.... ok, more likely to kill more muslims than westerners.

Okay, so you agree then? Al Qaida (as far as it exists as any hierarchical organization) is far more likely to cut its own balls off by alienating the very population they seek to rally to their cause via mass violence.

Al Qaida attack in America is far more likely to kill Westerners than muslims - I tend to believe Al Qaida would love another successful attack on American soil.

And Americans are thousands of times more likely to die in a car accident, or get struck by lightening for that matter, than they are to die in an al Qaida attack. I mean if the best they got was some Paki douche that couldn't rig a half-way decent car bomb...

FORD

08-06-2010, 10:44 AM

i think building mosque shows that us amercians have tolerence, that is a good thing

"US Americans"?? Yeah, right......

http://pedobearpics.com/pedobear/Pedobear.png

Sensible Shoes

08-06-2010, 11:58 AM

I"m feeling a little racist today - but I guess the best answer is let 'em build it and fill it with bugs and spyware. The moment a sleeper cell begins, fly an airplane into it. Preferably on auto pilot cause Americans don't believe in that 19 virgins thing. We have porn.

ULTRAMAN VH

08-06-2010, 12:58 PM

A lot of Muslims died on 9/11 in the Towers. And al Qaida is far more likely to kill other Muslims in terrorist attacks than they are Westerners....

Really? please try and explain that one to the families of the 13 killed and 31 injured at Fort Hood. Hmm, and the possible death tolls that could have mounted on Christmas day and the Times Square incident. No the missions did not come to fruition, but the goal was to take out a large number of Westerners.

jhale667

08-06-2010, 01:04 PM

Mushroom

08-06-2010, 02:58 PM

And Americans are thousands of times more likely to die in a car accident, or get struck by lightening for that matter, than they are to die in an al Qaida attack. I mean if the best they got was some Paki douche that couldn't rig a half-way decent car bomb...

Oh come on Nick you're getting sidetracked, you're better than that. We are talking about your broad statement that "al Qaida is far more likely to kill other Muslims in terrorist attacks than they are Westerners...."... not talking about Americans' probability of death by other accidents.

Mushroom

08-06-2010, 03:04 PM

I don't know where exactly the mosque is going but only a tool would say "oh yeah, that's a great idea, let's put a mosque at ground zero" -- why, so we can show our reverence for muslims? so we can not avoid hurting their feelings? They can put it anywhere, down the streeet from my house. But ground zero is ridiculous.

PETE'S BROTHER

08-06-2010, 03:10 PM

would there be a similarity in a white supremist group having a clubhouse a half mile from auschwitz?

Va Beach VH Fan

08-06-2010, 03:12 PM

Jagermeister

08-06-2010, 03:47 PM

This thing is a trophy for these sick bastards. Don't get me started!

jhale667

08-06-2010, 06:22 PM

chefcraig

08-06-2010, 06:42 PM

As LM said, if you believe in the premise that one of the main objectives of Al-Qaida is to disrupt every facet of the American way of life that they can, then refusing to build a mosque a couple of blocks away from Ground Zero is EXACTLY what they want the U.S. to do....

Now don't get me wrong, I think the complete mythology of religion has fucked the world up for centuries now.... But if you're stupid and naive enough to believe in ANY religion, our Constitution guarantees the FREEDOM to be that stupid and naive....

Exactly. All the "trophy" commentary completely misses the point - and PLAYS INTO THE TERRA-ISTS HANDS....don't be as stupid and reactionary as they're hoping you'll be (farting in Sockfucker and Jag's general direction).

Ya know, when we were discussing the whole concept of letting the terrorists win a couple of months ago, it struck me then (as it does now) that if these dolts had a brain in their otherwise empty heads, rather than aiming their suicide bombs and vengeful hate at the trappings of American government and commerce, all they'd really have to do to have the effect they are desiring is to take out the cable company. For some reason, people will put up with inept, unfeeling and completely out-to-lunch politicians, rising inflation, inflated gas prices, lousy health care options or even polluted beaches, but by God if they can't watch an episode of Jersey Shore or Hell's Kitchen, they will go positively batshit.

Nickdfresh

08-06-2010, 08:37 PM

Really? please try and explain that one to the families of the 13 killed and 31 injured at Fort Hood.

The shooter-cunt was an ironically mentally ill fuckwit who should have been removed from his duties long before that day as he was clearly flagged for being an impulsive, violent asshole. The U.S. Army needs to explain why this dick-lick was allowed to be a psychiatrist for so long despite the repeated objections and warnings of coworkers who tended to notice his psychotic tenancies. But then, there are mass-shootings every month in this country, and few are conducted by those dastardly, Stepford-children of Allah and Mohammad.

Some are actually attributed to nice white racist Americans like the Dylan and Klebold fag-fisters...

Hmm, and the possible death tolls that could have mounted on Christmas day and the Times Square incident. No the missions did not come to fruition, but the goal was to take out a large number of Westerners.

Possible. But it didn't, but the secret terrorist agent was an incompetent fuckwad that couldn't order a pizza to save his life much less launch a successful, bloody attack. That is somewhat comforting. What's less comforting is that thousands died on that Christmas Day via accidents and suicide without the slightest paranoia or reflection by the American public...

Nickdfresh

08-06-2010, 08:41 PM

would there be a similarity in a white supremist group having a clubhouse a half mile from auschwitz?

What a bullshit analogy. A more appropriate one would be GERMANS erecting a monument and a house of worship near Auschwitz, as not all Germans were Nazis and not all Nazis/fascists were Germans in WWII. There were in fact many Americans sympathetic to culling the "evil", "greedy" "hook-nosed" Jews...

(For those too fucking stupid to recognize irony and sarcasm, I'm against antisemitism and stereotypes in general)...

Nickdfresh

08-06-2010, 08:45 PM

Oh come on Nick you're getting sidetracked, you're better than that. We are talking about your broad statement that "al Qaida is far more likely to kill other Muslims in terrorist attacks than they are Westerners...."... not talking about Americans' probability of death by other accidents.

Well, what is your point exactly? Because, the last time I checked, the biggest victims of "al Qaida" violence were Iraqis dying in senseless car bombings and the hated enforcements of some retarded, fascist notion "Islamic law" that never existed to begin with...

ULTRAMAN VH

08-09-2010, 07:27 AM

Germany Closes Mosque Linked to 9/11 Attackers
Hamburg Mosque Frequented by Sept. 11 Attackers Closed as Authorities Believe Radicals Gathering Their Again

The Sept. 11 Defendants

The five prisoners, led by Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, charged with plotting the attacks.
Stories
FBI: New Al Qaeda Terror Boss Knows the U.S.
14 Charged with Aiding Terror Group Al-Shabab
(CBS/AP) A Hamburg mosque once frequented by some of the Sept. 11 attackers was shut down Monday because German authorities believed the prayer house was again being used as a meeting point for Islamic radicals.

The Taiba mosque was closed and the cultural association that runs it was banned, Hamburg officials said in a statement.

"We have closed the mosque because it was a recruiting and meeting point for Islamic radicals who wanted to participate in so-called jihad or holy war," said Frank Reschreiter, a spokesman for Hamburg's state interior ministry.

He said that 20 police officers were searching the building and had confiscated material, including several computers. He was not aware of any arrests.

However, the homes of leading members of the cultural association were searched and the group's assets were confiscated, the Hamburg state government said in a statement.

Authorities have said the prayer house, until two years ago known as the al-Quds mosque, was a meeting and recruiting point years ago for some of the Sept. 11 attackers before they moved to the United States. Ringleader Mohamed Atta as well as Marwan al-Shehhi and Ziad Jarrah had studied in Hamburg and frequented al-Quds mosque.

Reschreiter said Monday marked the first time the mosque had been closed, and that it had been under observation by local intelligence officers for "quite a long time."

A 2009 report by the Hamburg branch of Germany's domestic intelligence agency also said the mosque had again become the "center of attraction for the jihad scene" in the northern port city.

"Latest developments have shown that the training courses, sermons and seminars by the association as well texts published on the group's home page not only violate the constitution but also radicalize listeners and readers," Monday's statement said.

By Monday morning, the group's home page on the Web had been taken down and it was not possible to reach any members directly.

It said some people who belonged to the mosque's cultural association and prayed there had traveled to a radical training camp in Uzbekistan.

A group of 11 militants that traveled to military training camps in Uzbekistan in March 2009 was formed at Taiba mosque, the report said.

Most of the group's members were either German converts, of Middle Eastern origin or from the Caucasus region.

"A very important factor for the radicalization of the group members was certainly their joint visits to the mosque," the intelligence report stated.

It appears that one man from the group joined the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan, a terrorist organization in Central Asia, the report said.

Blaze

08-10-2010, 10:27 PM

And so?

Blaze

08-10-2010, 10:28 PM

Will you still sexy my Mums Ultraman?

WACF

08-12-2010, 01:56 PM

I find her take interesting.

She is rare in sense of speaking out against the silent majority...and has pointed out before how the extremists use our human rights laws against us.

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GAR

08-12-2010, 02:02 PM

She's also an advocate for Muslim foot-washing basins at airports for "hygienic purposes" so that them Mudpeoples stop rinsing their feet in restroom sinks.

I don't know about most of you here, but restroom or not I'd clock a fucker and drag his ass to the manager for doing that shit where I wash my hands..

jhale667

08-12-2010, 02:09 PM

Fuck off you racist douche.

GAR

08-12-2010, 02:21 PM

I didn't know you were Muslim?!?!

jhale667

08-12-2010, 02:30 PM

I didn't know you were Muslim?!?!

Go fuck yourself.

How often do you shoot your mouth off in public like that and NOT get a mud-hole stomped in your ass by so-called "mud-people" ? The answer - you DON'T, you fucking pussy bitch. Short, fat, bald COWARD.

Go outside and call someone a mud-person and report back to us - once you LEARN HOW TO TYPE AGAIN.

Dan

08-12-2010, 02:51 PM

Go fuck yourself.

How often do you shoot your mouth off in public like that and NOT get a mud-hole stomped in your ass by so-called "mud-people" ? The answer - you DON'T, you fucking pussy bitch. Short, fat, bald COWARD.

Go outside and call someone a mud-person and report back to us - once you LEARN HOW TO TYPE AGAIN.

He Cant,He Has No Balls.

FORD

08-12-2010, 02:56 PM

jhale667

08-12-2010, 02:57 PM

He Cant,He Has No Balls.

EXACTLY. Nut-less wonder being a tough-guy behind a computer...in a LIBRARY.

Hey GAyR, if a so-called "mud-person" can per your own admission steal your job (with relative ease), what kind of worthless P.O.S. does that make YOU? That must mean on the sociological/humanity totem-pole you're.... lower than the balls on a cockroach! :lol:

Blaze

08-12-2010, 03:20 PM

As long as the TSA charade is going to demand that people take off their shoes in airports, maybe the foot washing station ain't such a bad idea. Not for Muslim religious reasons, just so people can wash their stinky ass feet. :shiznit:

True that! After a day and a half of travel many people would like to rinse their feet to freshen them. It simply should be a public well being requirement. Some people have real trouble with their feet.

Igosplut

08-12-2010, 03:42 PM

Didn't THIS thread weave way off course.....

Blaze

08-12-2010, 03:42 PM

Any alcohol based spray works.
I would imagine in the cattle moving industry, which public transportation has become, that a regular dousing with an alcohol spray would be a good idea.

Blaze

08-12-2010, 03:44 PM

When my OCD was at its worse, I could barely walk into public airports.
They still are a bit icky to me.

Blaze

08-12-2010, 03:46 PM

This is nice. It has peppermint. :)

http://www.blissworld.com/images/en_US/local/products/detail/BLISS-356.jpg (http://javascript<b></b>:flyopen(430,465,'/product/brands/bliss/bliss+foot+patrol+2.5oz/ViewLarger.do?search=basic&keyword=peppermint+foot&sortby=all&asc=false&page=1','ViewLarger');)
you got to rub that on your feet though....and taking a foot massage in public is jest a bit odd to say the least. :biggrin:

Blaze

08-12-2010, 03:48 PM

And according to Gar he would beat you for washing your hands afterwards.....

GAR

08-12-2010, 03:53 PM

Wouldn't you pound another woman for washing her Monthly Visitor off her pussy in the washroom basin?

Keeping our neighbors in check shows our love for them, by not letting them get out of line.

Especially those of theologically-challenged backgrounds.

FORD

08-12-2010, 03:59 PM

How often do you hang around in women's restrooms, GAyR?

I know why you go to the men's room - for the same reason Senator Larry Craig did. But why the ladies room?

GAR

08-12-2010, 04:03 PM

FORD just stop and let's think about this for a minute: the beautiful obscenity in contrast to a Ramadan-respectin' woman washing her feet and her vagina off in a pubic sink.

On the one hand, it's admittedly disgusting.
On the other hand, you deny its' occurance?

This is a REAL problem on the East Coast, and we do NOT need this shit near Ground Zero...

Blaze

08-12-2010, 04:10 PM

Gar does not wipe, nor wash his hands. The reason he has such issues with restrooms is that he as noted equates them with sexual activities.

Blaze

08-12-2010, 04:11 PM

Matter of fact, bathing and cleanliness in general is an issue for Gar.

Blaze

08-12-2010, 04:15 PM

I do not know who reinstated Gar, but I'll pray for them :daisy:

GAR

08-12-2010, 04:18 PM

I don't know either, but VA knows him..

hambon4lif

08-12-2010, 05:29 PM

Didn't THIS thread weave way off course.....LOL! No shit!

This thread went from a mosque at Ground Zero to discussing the bathing habits of someone who lives under a freeway overpass and eats out of a dirty diaper.

I know threads get derailed all the time, but WTF??

PETE'S BROTHER

08-12-2010, 05:37 PM

i blame gar

for almost everything:baaa:

jhale667

08-12-2010, 05:49 PM

i blame gar

for almost everything:baaa:

As well you should.

Nickdfresh

08-12-2010, 10:30 PM

GAR

08-14-2010, 04:56 PM

http://www.jihadwatch.org/

Obama showing his true Islamic colors

August 14, 2010

Obama's support for Islamic supremacist mega-mosque at Ground Zero draws fire (http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/08/obamas-support-for-islamic-supremacist-mega-mosque-at-ground-zero-draws-fire.html)

Obama is in effect saying that you can build a triumphal mosque marking Islam's superiority and victory -- which is how the Ground Zero mosque will be viewed in the Islamic world -- and you can lie about your funding, and lie about your commitment to interreligious dialogue and harmony, and refuse to denounce jihad terrorists, and all that is just fine with him.

"Obama's Support for Ground Zero Mosque Draws Fire," from FoxNews.com (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/08/14/obamas-support-ground-zero-mosque-draws/), August 14:
President Obama is under fire after jumping into the middle of a cultural clash Friday night in favor of building a mosque near ground zero, a stance that has elevated the contentious issue to the presidential level ahead of a difficult election season for Democrats. Some victims' advocates and Republicans have strongly condemned Obama's support for the mosque, which would be part of a $100 million Islamic community center two blocks from where nearly 3,000 people perished when hijacked jetliners slammed into the World Trade Center towers on Sept. 11, 2001.

"Barack Obama has abandoned America at the place where America's heart was broken nine years ago, and where her true values were on display for all to see," said Debra Burlingame, a spokeswoman for some Sept. 11 victims' families and the sister of one of the pilots killed in the attacks.
Building the mosque at ground zero, she said, "is a deliberately provocative act that will precipitate more bloodshed in the name of Allah."
Rep. Peter King, R-N.Y said the president is "wrong."

"It is insensitive and uncaring for the Muslim community to build a mosque in the shadow of ground zero," he said in a written statement.
"While the Muslim community has the right to build the mosque, they are abusing that right by needlessly offending so many people who have suffered so much," he said. "The right and moral thing for President Obama to have done was to urge Muslim leaders to respect the families of those who died and move their mosque away from ground zero. Unfortunately, the president caved into political correctness." [...]

While his pronouncement concerning the mosque might find favor in the Muslim world, Obama's stance runs counter to the opinions of the majority of Americans, according to polls. A CNN/Opinion Research poll released this week found that nearly 70 percent of Americans opposed the mosque plan while just 29 percent approved. A number of Democratic politicians have shied away from the controversy. [...]

Former Republican Sen. Rick Santorum of Pennsylvania told Fox News that Obama seems to misunderstand that Islam is not just a religion, but also a political doctrine. He also said the mosque is being run by a man who accused the U.S. of being an accomplice in the Sept. 11 attacks.
Santorum compared the ground zero mosque to a minister who wants to builds a church near the location where the Rev. Martin Luther King was killed but preaches racial separation and the notion that King brought his death upon himself.

"I don't think Barack Obama would say, 'Well we have religious tolerance, we're going to allow them to do that,'" he said. "That is the wrong way to look at this. This is not whether it's a legal right to do it. People have legal rights to do a lot of things in this country."

"We have the will of the American public," he said, noting the polls show most oppose the mosque. The imam is "ignoring the will of the American public, as by the way, Barack Obama is by siding with him."
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GAR

08-14-2010, 04:57 PM

Anyways, the Mudpeoples don't own the property (NY Edison does) and they won't say where the funding is coming from?

FORD

08-14-2010, 05:37 PM

One of these days, GAyR, some "mudperson" is gonna stomp a mudhole in your useless racist vacant since Jizzy dumped you asshole.:wow2:

GAR

08-14-2010, 05:46 PM

The Mudpeople's racism took down the twin towers, that's WHY we're at war so fukkum!

kwame k

08-14-2010, 05:54 PM

The Mudpeople's racism took down the twin towers, that's WHY we're at war so fukkum!

Really? These Mudpeople? I knew there was a reason I hated them but I never knew we were at war with them!

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll103/realtodd/woodstock94mudpeople.jpg

GAR

08-14-2010, 06:13 PM

You must be friends of these Mudpeoples = in other words, people who make their homes out of fucking mud, Kwappspeach..

http://www.omdurman.org/butcher_kafirs.jpg

And they want you dead BTW. Quit twisting things, you know what's up!

Read the signs:
"SLAY those who isult Islam"
"Europe you will pay, Demolition is on its way"
"Behead those who insult Islam"
"Butcher those who insult Islam"
(cant read the other one, but..)
"Europe you will pay, Extermination is on its way"

First thing this Imam is gonna do for this "cultural center" is create a hostel to put people like this up who travel, so they can attend and picket events of their choosing. That's not the way we do things in this country.

This is why it is so important to bomb them right back into the stone age, because they are so intent on attacking again that by doing so ahead of time we put off the inevitable by a good 30 years. And by that time, their government will have figured it the fuck out how best to subjugate themselves with burdens such as taxes and militarial conscripts and more oppression such as they already incur that theyll never be free.

That's the way they want it, so they gets it! I don't like this any more than you. So we have to make them an example for the rest of their society that you Do Not Fuck with the USA and that's all Ive got to say on the matter before you go Running Mauf over my posts: calling me racial and whatever.. that's all you know.

kwame k

08-14-2010, 06:18 PM

So are you referred to as cardboard people? In other words people who make their homes out of cardboard:biggrin:

GAR

08-14-2010, 06:25 PM

http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/zieve/070111

You think this is a joke huh! It's right in your own backyard.. maybe you're one of them?

kwame k

08-14-2010, 06:28 PM

I am and we're making plans to take away your job!

FORD

08-14-2010, 06:39 PM

Really? These Mudpeople? I knew there was a reason I hated them but I never knew we were at war with them!

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll103/realtodd/woodstock94mudpeople.jpg

Nah, it was Woodstock 99 that caused the Towers to come down, not Woodstock 94. That's when they set everything on fire. Some of those idiots were still high 2 years later and stumbled into the World Trade Center, still hearing Limp Dickzit ringing in their ears.:headbangez:

GAR

08-14-2010, 06:44 PM

.. and the BCE rented the lighting for this event, let's not forget THAT connex!

http://wallstreetexaminer.com/blogs/winter/wp-content/uploads/tinfoilhat-755294.jpg

FORD

08-14-2010, 06:44 PM

Nice racist website you linked to there, GAyR....

http://www.renewamerica.com/bb/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=11823

kwame k

08-14-2010, 06:46 PM

Nah, it was Woodstock 99 that caused the Towers to come down, not Woodstock 94. That's when they set everything on fire. Some of those idiots were still high 2 years later and stumbled into the World Trade Center, still hearing Limp Dickzit ringing in their ears.:headbangez:

That's why remaking a classic can be a dangerous thing:headlights:

FORD

08-14-2010, 06:49 PM

Goddamn mud people anyway :biggrin:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h275pulfwHE

GAR

08-14-2010, 06:50 PM

I'm sorry.

http://jonestown.sdsu.edu/images/jtr10/07-01-07c-1_obama_koolaid.jpg

Here's a non-racist pic link.

kwame k

08-14-2010, 06:55 PM

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll103/realtodd/racist-111.jpg

GAR

08-14-2010, 07:04 PM

I love it when Liberals throw the Race card around like an empty wrapper - the more you do it, the less intended effect it has.

kwame k

08-14-2010, 07:09 PM

I love it when morons try to make sense..........:lmao:

GAR

08-14-2010, 10:03 PM

.. assuming you make sense?

kwame k

08-14-2010, 10:16 PM

You know what assuming does, Clay!

GAR

08-14-2010, 10:29 PM

ASSuming you're hunting the cupboard for the last mac n' cheese box in the basement there, you mean>?

http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/fail-owned-shampoo-fail1.jpg

/owned

BigBadBrian

08-17-2010, 05:29 PM

jhale667

08-17-2010, 06:03 PM

And where did you hear that, FAUX News? Mush Limpdick? Fear-Monger.com?

http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2010/08/16/ground_zero_mosque_origins/index.html

How the "ground zero mosque" fear mongering began
A viciously anti-Muslim blogger, the New York Post and the right-wing media machine: How it all went down

A group of progressive Muslim-Americans plans to build an Islamic community center two and a half blocks from ground zero in lower Manhattan. They have had a mosque in the same neighborhood for many years. There's another mosque two blocks away from the site. City officials support the project. Muslims have been praying at the Pentagon, the other building hit on Sept. 11, for many years.

In short, there is no good reason that the Cordoba House project should have been a major national news story, let alone controversy. And yet it has become just that, dominating the political conversation for weeks and prompting such a backlash that, according to a new poll, nearly 7 in 10 Americans now say they oppose the project. How did the Cordoba House become so toxic, so fast?

In a story last week, the New York Times, which framed the project in a largely positive, noncontroversial light last December, argued that it was cursed from the start by "public relations missteps." But this isn't accurate. To a remarkable extent, a Salon review of the origins of the story found, the controversy was kicked up and driven by Pamela Geller, a right-wing, viciously anti-Muslim, conspiracy-mongering blogger, whose sinister portrayal of the project was embraced by Rupert Murdoch's New York Post.

Here's a timeline of how it all happened:

* Dec. 8, 2009: The Times publishes a lengthy front-page look at the Cordoba project. "We want to push back against the extremists," Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, the lead organizer, is quoted as saying. Two Jewish leaders and two city officials, including the mayor's office, say they support the idea, as does the mother of a man killed on 9/11. An FBI spokesman says the imam has worked with the bureau. Besides a few third-tier right-wing blogs, including Pamela Geller's Atlas Shrugs site, no one much notices the Times story.
* Dec. 21, 2009: Conservative media personality Laura Ingraham interviews Abdul Rauf's wife, Daisy Khan, while guest-hosting "The O'Reilly Factor" on Fox. In hindsight, the segment is remarkable for its cordiality. "I can't find many people who really have a problem with it," Ingraham says of the Cordoba project, adding at the end of the interview, "I like what you're trying to do."
* (This segment also includes onscreen the first use that we've seen of the misnomer "ground zero mosque.") After the segment — and despite the front-page Times story — there were no news articles on the mosque for five and a half months, according to a search of the Nexis newspaper archive.
* May 6, 2010: After a unanimous vote by a New York City community board committee to approve the project, the AP runs a story. It quotes relatives of 9/11 victims (called by the reporter), who offer differing opinions. The New York Post, meanwhile, runs a story under the inaccurate headline, "Panel Approves 'WTC' Mosque." Geller is less subtle, titling her post that day, "Monster Mosque Pushes Ahead in Shadow of World Trade Center Islamic Death and Destruction." She writes on her Atlas Shrugs blog, "This is Islamic domination and expansionism. The location is no accident. Just as Al-Aqsa was built on top of the Temple in Jerusalem." (To get an idea of where Geller is coming from, she once suggested that Malcolm X was Obama's real father. Seriously.)
* May 7, 2010: Geller's group, Stop Islamization of America (SIOA), launches "Campaign Offensive: Stop the 911 Mosque!" (SIOA 's associate director is Robert Spencer, who makes his living writing and speaking about the evils of Islam.) Geller posts the names and contact information for the mayor and members of the community board, encouraging people to write. The board chair later reports getting "hundreds and hundreds" of calls and e-mails from around the world.
* May 8, 2010: Geller announces SIOA's first protest against what she calls the "911 monster mosque" for May 29. She and Spencer and several other members of the professional anti-Islam industry will attend. (She also says that the protest will mark the dark day of "May 29, 1453, [when] the Ottoman forces led by the Sultan Mehmet II broke through the Byzantine defenses against the Muslim siege of Constantinople." The outrage-peddling New York Post columnist Andrea Peyser argues in a note at the end of her column a couple of days later that "there are better places to put a mosque."
* May 13, 2010: Peyser follows up with an entire column devoted to "Mosque Madness at Ground Zero." This is a significant moment in the development of the "ground zero mosque" narrative: It's the first newspaper article that frames the project as inherently wrong and suspect, in the way that Geller has been framing it for months. Peyser in fact quotes Geller at length and promotes the anti-mosque protest of Stop Islamization of America, which Peyser describes as a "human-rights group." Peyser also reports — falsely — that Cordoba House's opening date will be Sept. 11, 2011.

Lots of opinion makers on the right read the Post, so it's not surprising that, starting that very day, the mosque story spread through the conservative — and then mainstream — media like fire through dry grass. Geller appeared on Sean Hannity's radio show. The Washington Examiner ran an outraged column about honoring the 9/11 dead. So did Investor's Business Daily. Smelling blood, the Post assigned news reporters to cover the ins and outs of the Cordoba House development daily. Fox News, the Post's television sibling, went all out.

Within a month, Rudy Giuliani had called the mosque a "desecration." Within another month, Sarah Palin had tweeted her famous "peaceful Muslims, pls refudiate" tweet. Peter King and Newt Gingrich and Tim Pawlenty followed suit — with political reporters and television news programs dutifully covering "both sides" of the controversy.

Geller had succeeded beyond her wildest dreams.

vh rides again

08-17-2010, 09:10 PM

I just heard on the news last night that some church has been trying to get a piece of real estate in that area for the last several years but has been continually denied by the city. Very telling of how our priorities are screwed up in this country. I guess liberals would rather surrender to the terrorists afterall.
:gulp:
it was the greek orthadox church and yes they have been denied several times.

It is a bad idea to build one there, I dont understand why they would pursue it.

Lets put a ho chi min statue across from the vietnam war memorial or lets lets put a plaque with hitlers pic on it, describing what he did to the jews near the holocaust museum.
Fuck, you cant even have a christmas tree in a state building, but they are gonna allow this slap in the face to happen? fuck it, build the fucker so i can hopefully watch it burn on the evening news. I want to see just how crazy new yorkers can be, they are always talkin shit about how badass they are, lets see it.

kwame k

08-17-2010, 09:21 PM

jhale667

08-17-2010, 09:57 PM

I just heard on the news last night that some church has been trying to get a piece of real estate in that area for the last several years but has been continually denied by the city. Very telling of how our priorities are screwed up in this country.

Maybe they should have considered building a community center as well. :rolleyes:

Seems hard to imagine, especially considering I heard on the news last night that area is an economic mini ghost-town now - they're having trouble keeping businesses there, since ground-zero, now a tourist attraction itself, is TOO FAR AWAY...but then I wasn't watching FAUX.

I guess liberals would rather surrender to the terrorists afterall.

Pathetic. Even you threw up in your mouth a little when you typed that. :fufu:

Nitro Express

08-17-2010, 10:06 PM

No one said Democracy and the freedoms we enjoy was going to be easy.............

The founding principles of this country guarantees freedom of religion and free speech, not freedom of speech and religion only if I think what you worship or say is agreeable to me. Doesn't it say something of us as a nation if we allowed this or didn't blow it all out of proportion? Wouldn't that send a greater message to the world?

It's two fucking blocks away!!!!!!!

Having said that........it is kind of insensitive for those morons to put it there:)

The founding principles of this country guarantees freedom of religion and free speech, not freedom of speech and religion only if I think what you worship or say is agreeable to me. Doesn't it say something of us as a nation if we allowed this or didn't blow it all out of proportion? Wouldn't that send a greater message to the world?

It's two fucking blocks away!!!!!!!

Under the US Constitution the mosque can be there. Under common sense, it's a stupid thing to do. I always maintained the US Constitution gave idiots the freedom to show us how idiotic they are. That area is a financial district not exactly where you build religious buildings. I wonder exactly how many Muslims live in the area. I doubt enough to justify a huge mosque. It is pretty obvious why they are building it there.

The thing is, by doing so they endanger themselves. It will only be a matter of time before some pissed off person attacks the mosque and kills the people in it. From a security point of view, it endangers the people who worship there. If it was me, I wouldn't build it there for that very reason.

jhale667

08-17-2010, 10:08 PM

No one said Democracy and the freedoms we enjoy was going to be easy.............

The founding principles of this country guarantees freedom of religion and free speech, not freedom of speech and religion only if I think what you worship or say is agreeable to me. Doesn't it say something of us as a nation if we allowed this or didn't blow it all out of proportion? Wouldn't that send a greater message to the world?

It's two fucking blocks away!!!!!!!

Having said that........it is kind of insensitive for those morons to put it there:)

Kind of, agree. :umm:

But having said that, last time I checked there was still freedom of religion in America. Seems some people have an issue with that. I mean, wasn't the previous administration all about "faith-based" community organizations? Since that's what this community center that happens to have a mosque in it would fall under, right? Or can it only be a "faith" conservatives approve of?

I'm pretty seriously against organized religion in general, but to try to prohibit anyone of any faith from building a place of worship - and the crazies Brie & GAyR( btw - nice racist page-link there, douche-tube) align themselves with want to further prohibit the construction of any future mosques nation-wide - is that not completely counter to what America was founded on?

GAR

08-18-2010, 01:48 AM

Or can it only be a "faith" conservatives approve of?

When the 700 Club sends munitions to blow up the Mecca pilgrims in Saudi Arabia you'll have some kind of point where you're going with that.

FORD

08-18-2010, 02:01 AM

How about John "Fat Bastard" Hagee openly encouraging Israel to bomb the living shit out of Iran, in order to bring about the prophecy of Ezekiel 38/39?
You don't consider that "Christian" terrorism??

LoungeMachine

08-18-2010, 02:04 AM

Kind of, agree. :umm:

But having said that, last time I checked there was still freedom of religion in America.

Actually, I think it is freedom FROM religion.....

:gulp:

GAR

08-18-2010, 02:11 AM

Who cares how prophecy is hastened! The Al-Aqsa Mosque is toast.. does one argue with scritural enevitables?

jhale667

08-18-2010, 03:10 AM

Actually, I think it is freedom FROM religion.....

:gulp:

That too. :gulp:

But wtf does "scritural" mean in Trollspeak? :lmao:

jhale667

08-18-2010, 03:14 AM

When the 700 Club sends munitions to blow up the Mecca pilgrims in Saudi Arabia you'll have some kind of point where you're going with that.

The point was made when christian-zealots bombed abortion clinics and murdered doctors who provided them here, jackass. PRE- 9/11, even. STFU.

We're not at war with Islam, you dolt.

GAR

08-18-2010, 09:55 AM

Ever read the Koran? We're at war with Islam because it's been at war for 1500 years with everyone and noone. ok.

Seshmeister

08-18-2010, 10:24 AM

Ever read the bible?

FORD

08-18-2010, 10:28 AM

I doubt GAyR's read either the Bible OR the Koran. Which is ironic, given the amount of time he spends in a library.

jhale667

08-18-2010, 11:59 AM

I doubt GAyR's read either the Bible OR the Koran. Which is ironic, given the amount of time he spends in a library.

He doesn't like reading; black letters on white paper is too much like race-mixing to him.

GAR

08-18-2010, 12:07 PM

REally....? So you're a mind-reader now.

GAR

08-18-2010, 12:08 PM

Ever read the bible?

What's the name for the white stripes in your flag, Scot..

LoungeMachine

08-18-2010, 12:13 PM

REally....? So you're a mind-reader now.

You have a mind now?

:gulp:

jhale667

08-18-2010, 12:14 PM

REally....? So you're a mind-reader now.

You'd first have to have one for someone to be able to read it...

Wouldn't you be more comfortable posting at Stormfront? :Loser:

Jagermeister

08-18-2010, 12:19 PM

That ignore feature is great. I can't see a thing GAR posts.

GAR

08-18-2010, 12:20 PM

I'm too busy pissing off liberals now on Google Video to bother what Stormfront forums are about.

GAR

08-18-2010, 12:24 PM

You have a mind now?

:gulp:

It's been explained already. You're too little to understand.

ULTRAMAN VH

08-18-2010, 01:05 PM

It's actually supposed to be two blocks away, from everything I've heard. BFD. It's not like they want to put it AT ground zero. Or we were attacked by ISLAM as a whole. It was a group of zealot assholes. Y'know, like our homegrown Xtian ones that blow up abortion clinics, or federal buildings. It should be allowed - as a symbol of US tolerance.

Just something else for the neocons to get their panties in a bunch about.
Landing gear crashed down on the Burlington coat factory, exactly where they want to build the mosque. It's sacred ground and you wonder why victims families are imploring the Muslims to build it elsewhere? Stick to playing the guitar, hippie. Your clueless.:argh:

ULTRAMAN VH

08-18-2010, 01:14 PM

Sacrilege at Ground Zero

By Charles Krauthammer
Friday, August 13, 2010

A place is made sacred by a widespread belief that it was visited by the miraculous or the transcendent (Lourdes, the Temple Mount), by the presence there once of great nobility and sacrifice (Gettysburg), or by the blood of martyrs and the indescribable suffering of the innocent (Auschwitz).

When we speak of Ground Zero as hallowed ground, what we mean is that it belongs to those who suffered and died there -- and that such ownership obliges us, the living, to preserve the dignity and memory of the place, never allowing it to be forgotten, trivialized or misappropriated.

That's why Disney's 1993 proposal to build an American history theme park near Manassas Battlefield was defeated by a broad coalition that feared vulgarization of the Civil War (and that was wiser than me; at the time I obtusely saw little harm in the venture). It's why the commercial viewing tower built right on the border of Gettysburg was taken down by the Park Service. It's why, while no one objects to Japanese cultural centers, the idea of putting one up at Pearl Harbor would be offensive.

And why Pope John Paul II ordered the Carmelite nuns to leave the convent they had established at Auschwitz. He was in no way devaluing their heartfelt mission to pray for the souls of the dead. He was teaching them a lesson in respect: This is not your place; it belongs to others. However pure your voice, better to let silence reign.

Even New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg, who denounced opponents of the proposed 15-story mosque and Islamic center near Ground Zero as tramplers on religious freedom, asked the mosque organizers "to show some special sensitivity to the situation." Yet, as columnist Rich Lowry pointedly noted, the government has no business telling churches how to conduct their business, shape their message or show "special sensitivity" to anyone about anything. Bloomberg was thereby inadvertently conceding the claim of those he excoriates for opposing the mosque, namely that Ground Zero is indeed unlike any other place and therefore unique criteria govern what can be done there.

Bloomberg's implication is clear: If the proposed mosque were controlled by "insensitive" Islamist radicals either excusing or celebrating 9/11, he would not support its construction.

But then, why not? By the mayor's own expansive view of religious freedom, by what right do we dictate the message of any mosque? Moreover, as a practical matter, there's no guarantee that this couldn't happen in the future. Religious institutions in this country are autonomous. Who is to say that the mosque won't one day hire an Anwar al-Aulaqi -- spiritual mentor to the Fort Hood shooter and the Christmas Day bomber, and onetime imam at the Virginia mosque attended by two of the 9/11 terrorists?

An Aulaqi preaching in Virginia is a security problem. An Aulaqi preaching at Ground Zero is a sacrilege. Or would the mayor then step in -- violating the same First Amendment he grandiosely pretends to protect from mosque opponents -- and exercise a veto over the mosque's clergy?

Location matters. Especially this location. Ground Zero is the site of the greatest mass murder in American history -- perpetrated by Muslims of a particular Islamist orthodoxy in whose cause they died and in whose name they killed.

Of course that strain represents only a minority of Muslims. Islam is no more intrinsically Islamist than present-day Germany is Nazi -- yet despite contemporary Germany's innocence, no German of goodwill would even think of proposing a German cultural center at, say, Treblinka.

Which makes you wonder about the goodwill behind Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf's proposal. This is a man who has called U.S. policy "an accessory to the crime" of 9/11 and, when recently asked whether Hamas is a terrorist organization, replied, "I'm not a politician. . . . The issue of terrorism is a very complex question."

America is a free country where you can build whatever you want -- but not anywhere. That's why we have zoning laws. No liquor store near a school, no strip malls where they offend local sensibilities, and, if your house doesn't meet community architectural codes, you cannot build at all.

These restrictions are for reasons of aesthetics. Others are for more profound reasons of common decency and respect for the sacred. No commercial tower over Gettysburg, no convent at Auschwitz -- and no mosque at Ground Zero.

Build it anywhere but there.

The governor of New York offered to help find land to build the mosque elsewhere. A mosque really seeking to build bridges, Rauf's ostensible hope for the structure, would accept the offer.

letters@charleskrauthammer.com

BITEYOASS

08-18-2010, 01:35 PM

Uuuuuggghhhh!!! I'm so tired of these fucking religions! They are dumb all over.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xa4uv9_dumb-all-over-frank-zappa

BITEYOASS

08-18-2010, 01:40 PM

http://www.talkingbumper.com/dumballover.jpg

BITEYOASS

08-18-2010, 01:41 PM

If you think about, a religion is just one big ancient book club.

FORD

08-18-2010, 01:51 PM

jhale667

08-18-2010, 02:03 PM

Stick to playing the guitar, hippie. Your clueless.

Said the dumbass that can't even USE A CONTRACTION CORRECTLY IN A SENTENCE.

Yeah, and they got it for pennies on the dollar because they can't get anyone else to build on that "sacred ground". STFU & go TiVo Glenn BecKKK, Ultravag.

Jagermeister

08-18-2010, 02:15 PM

lol. He called you a hippie

jhale667

08-18-2010, 02:19 PM

lol. He called you a hippie

Yeah, meanwhile, he's probably facing follicular challenges himself, hence the envy... :hee:

Jagermeister

08-18-2010, 02:20 PM

follicular challenges

:(

Hey!

jhale667

08-18-2010, 02:27 PM

:(

Hey!

What, is that a sore (bald) spot with you, too? :lmao:

Jagermeister

08-18-2010, 02:31 PM

What, is that a sore (bald) spot with you, too? :lmao:

You go fuck yourself jhale!

I'm not bald. Yet.:biggrin:

jhale667

08-18-2010, 02:43 PM

You go fuck yourself jhale!

I'm not bald. Yet.:biggrin:

Just workin' on it, then? :lol:

jhale667

08-18-2010, 03:24 PM

Wow, this pretty much blows Ultravag's "sacred ground" premise out of the fucking water...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bob-cesca/ground-zero-mosque-oppone_b_685164.html?utm_source=DailyBrief&utm_campaign=081810&utm_medium=email&utm_content=FeatureTitle

Ground Zero Mosque Opponents Have a Lot of Work to Do

If we take Sarah Palin, Glenn Beck and Newt Gingrich at their word, their objection to the proposed community center two blocks north of Ground Zero is that the entire area is hallowed ground, and a Muslim facility so close to the site is an insult to the victims and heroes of September 11.

Of course this is entirely about a swath of 9/11 fetishists, mostly Christians, ginning up anti-Muslim fear and demagoguery to score political points. It's a cheap and obvious exploitation of the widespread American prejudice that anyone who happens to be Muslim is equally as guilty and offensive as the terrorists who hijacked and crashed two airplanes into the World Trade Center towers.

It must be an election year because Republicans are once again rolling out September 11 as a wedge issue. You know, because they care about honoring the fallen. When it helps them politically.

If Beck, Limbaugh, Palin and Gingrich, along with the entire population of far-right AM talk radio, really cared about hallowed ground and historical preservation, they wouldn't be limiting their crusade to Park 51 (formerly Cordoba House).

As many of us have heard, there's a strip club two blocks away. I'm not sure how lap dances are less offensive than a religious community center. In fact, there are quite a few places in lower Manhattan within short walking distance of Ground Zero that would have to be eliminated as part of these stringent guidelines dictating how sacred ground ought to be respected. Via Twitter, Sarah Palin urged President Obama to weigh in on the Park 51 issue. Well, I urge Sarah Palin to weigh in on the strip club "at Ground Zero." We're waiting, Sarah. Will you campaign against the strip club? How about the gun shows that happen at Cox Pavilion, not far from the site of the Oklahoma City bombing? Or the shinto shrines a mile or two from Pearl Harbor?

Actually, come to think of it, I want all of the usual suspects -- Beck, Palin, Gingrich and the rest -- to weigh in on a variety of actual trespasses upon hallowed ground.

Let's begin with the actual ground. The Ground Zero. Literally, the ground. The One World Trade Center (aka. Freedom Tower) website notes the following feature:

The below-grade concourses will include approximately 55,000 square feet of retail space and connect to an extensive transportation and retail network...

So there's going to be a shopping mall literally in the ground of Ground Zero. "Below-grade" means "in the ground." The Ground. In other words, Sarah Palin and her entire gaggle of various babies and ghost writers can visit Ground Zero and honor the heroes and victims of 9/11 while trying on tankinis at Juicy Couture (or whatever clothing stores end up there) constructed within the actual ground of Ground Zero.

This bears repeating: unlike Park 51, which is blocks away, there's going to be a 55,000 square foot mall under the same ground where people fell to their deaths on that terrible day. Ground that's mixed with the remains of the dead. A mall.

And it wouldn't be the first time we've besmirched and destroyed the hallowed ground where American heroes have died.

I have yet to see Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin contribute their considerable wealth and celebrity to the cause of preserving the Wilderness and Chancellorsville battlefields in Virginia where Washington, D.C.'s suburban sprawl is rapidly consuming the land where thousands of Americans were killed during the American Civil War. When will these self-proclaimed patriots stand against the latest eyesore -- a Walmart Super Store that's likely to be built on the Wilderness battlefield?

Newt Gingrich, for his part, has written several books about the Civil War, one of which fantasizes about a Confederate victory at Gettysburg. Actually, I once stood several feet away from Gingrich as he held a book signing at a Gettysburg gift shop located a block or two from a McDonald's on Steinwehr Avenue -- a McDonald's that sits on the actual battlefield, specifically the location of the infamous Pickett's Charge on the third day of battle. (The gift shop is also technically on the battlefield.)

The McDonald's is next to a Friendly's restaurant and across from a hotel with a swimming pool where tourists can honor the fallen while wearing arm floaties and smacking each other with foam noodles. There's a restaurant called General Pickett's Buffet on the battlefield. There used to be a Stuckey's Restaurant literally in the Peach Orchard. There's a 7-11 convenience store where U.S. cavalry commander General John Buford, arguably the hero of Gettysburg, was headquartered on the first day.

Sarah? Beck?

On the site of some of the most bloody fighting, East Cemetery Hill, there's a towering Holiday Inn, a Rita's Italian Ice, a cigar store, a Hall of Presidents wax museum, another gift shop and another convenience store. Oh and there's a hilarious outhouse attraction complete with an animatronic townie relieving himself and yelling at tourists to stop "letting all the flies in." Hilarious. West of the town, on the site of one of the Civil War's largest field hospitals, known at the time as Camp Letterman, there's a Walmart and a trailer park. South of town, behind Power's Hill where my great-great grandfather's 155th Pennsylvania volunteer regiment bivouacked, you can walk the hallowed ground while playing a round of miniature golf at Mulligan McDuffer's Putt-Putt.

Sure, a soulless free market conservative might shrug off these monuments to corporate consumerism as being the wheels of commerce and capitalism rolling on. Even if that means rolling over the ground where 23,040 United States soldiers were killed or wounded (the Confederates suffered around 20-25,000 casualties at Gettysburg). For the federal Army of the Potomac, that was a 27 percent casualty rate. Unimaginable by today's standards.

And that leads us to an aspect of this particular expanse of hallowed ground that most directly relates to the fracas over Park 51.

To review: Park 51 will be two blocks away from the actual WTC site. It's being installed by American citizens, the chief of whom, Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, is an American citizen who has worked with the Bush administration on Muslim outreach. These are peaceful Muslims who had absolutely nothing to do with the terrorist attacks nearby. The opponents of the inaccurately dubbed "Ground Zero Mosque" suggest it's the work of an enemy religion and offensive to the memory of those who died.

But at Gettysburg, just south of the town and west of the Emmitsburg Road near the tree-line from which 12-15,000 Confederate soldiers emerged on the third day of battle to attack the United States army on Cemetery Ridge, stands a tall marble and bronze statue of General Robert E. Lee, commanding general of the Confederate Army of Northern Virginia. It's not the only Confederate monument on the actual battlefield, but it's certainly the most striking and the most famous. At the peak of the obelisk is Lee mounted atop his horse, Traveler, staring out at the battlefield. Just below him are heroic bronze representations of random Virginia Confederates.

This general committed treason against the United States. By definition, he was a traitor who commanded a rebel army against the U.S. and inflicted unprecedented casualties. Specifically, General Lee's invasion of the north and advance into Gettysburg was responsible for the aforementioned 23,040 United States military casualties, and, of those 23,040 casualties, 3,155 were killed on that ground.

Yet there's a statue at Gettysburg honoring the fiercest enemy of the United States at that time. Had Lee been victorious, the United States as we know it today would not exist. But he gets a statue on Pennsylvania soil -- a statue which, by the way, stands at the exact same height as the statue to U.S. General George Gordon Meade, the commander of the Army of the Potomac (and a Pennsylvanian).

I can't even imagine the September 11 equivalent of such a memorial to an enemy of the United States. Now, just to be clear, I'm not advocating one way or another about the Confederate battlefield monuments at Gettysburg (the retail shops, on the other hand, are a blight). I'm merely drawing a parallel here. And if Newt, Sarah and Glenn are truly so driven to maintain the sacred purity of American "hallowed ground," they definitely have a lot of work to do. And they can start by campaigning for the removal of the Lee statue of Gettysburg. You know, for the sake of consistency. Let's see how popular that'll be, especially with their southern fanbase.

Naturally they won't bother because the mosque issue isn't really as much about the ground as it is about stoking and capitalizing on religious intolerance. When you eliminate the inconsistencies, contradictions and oversights, all that's left is political fear-mongering, demagoguery and a disturbing disregard for the free exercise clause. If it was truly about hallowed ground, we'd hear about all of those other American sites.

Ultimately, though, I'm expecting too much from the modern conservative movement, considering how it's built entirely upon obvious contradictions, unserious chicanery and an escalating campaign of intolerance.

Puts things in perspective...

GAR

08-18-2010, 03:44 PM

In American colonial times, they'd either hold a quick village court of opinion and throw the chickenshit liberals in stocks or jail, or just hang 'em.

Ah, damned good times!

GAR

08-18-2010, 03:49 PM

If you think about, a religion is just one big ancient book club.

Validation of that statement depends on verification of authorship on an individual basis.

Nobody said "never let the Jihads build a mosque." Just not the one under consideration, that's all.

Regardless of where it's going to be built, the CIA will plant more bugs in the walls and doors than in FORD's memory bank no matter what!

ULTRAMAN VH

08-18-2010, 04:36 PM

I wonder if Ultravag realizes that the numbskulls he's siding with here, like Charles KKKrauthammer and Pam the Rabid PUMA Bitch Gellar are certifiable genocidal nutcases who want nothing less than the complete elimination of every single Muslim from this planet.

Now I would expect GAyR to identify with psychopathic mutants like that, but I thought Ultradouche at least limited his associations to right wingers with at least a double digit IQ.

In classic far left fashion, you have it ass backwards. The Islamist's want the complete elimination of every single American. They took out 3000 in New York and continue to this day with failed attempts to take out large groups of people on American soil and have succeeded in smaller attacks, such as The Fort Hood Massacre. It cracks me up how you defend a religion that to this day, denigrates women, performs Honor Killings and continues to intimidate and subjugate populations, via acts of terrorism. I have yet to see peaceful Muslims stand up, condemn and or stop the heinous acts of there violent brethren.

Guitar Shark

08-18-2010, 04:42 PM

Many Islamic extremists want the complete elimination of every single American.

There, I fixed your statement to make it pass the smell test...

jhale667

08-18-2010, 04:49 PM

In classic far left fashion, you have it ass backwards. The Islamist's want the complete elimination of every single American. They took out 3000 in New York and continue to this day with failed attempts to take out large groups of people on American soil and have succeeded in smaller attacks, such as The Fort Hood Massacre. It cracks me up how you defend a religion that to this day, denigrates women, performs Honor Killings and continues to intimidate and subjugate populations, via acts of terrorism. I have yet to see peaceful Muslims stand up, condemn and or stop the heinous acts of there violent brethren.

You're not looking closely enough.

In classic neocon shitbag fashion, you're being both a fear AND a hate-mongering idiot. None of my muslim co-workers have tried to kill me (shock!). Blanket statements like that are just idiotic. THIS is why you don't get taken seriously.

Nickdfresh

08-18-2010, 07:09 PM

'Ground Zero Mosque' Park51 Not a Triumph of Radical Islam
By ROMESH RATNESAR Romesh Ratnesar Wed Aug 18, 3:30 am ET

Should Muslims be allowed to build a mosque at Ground Zero? Merely posing the question is an act of deliberate distortion. As its defenders point out, the Community Center at Park51 will occupy not a solitary inch of the 16-block site on which the Twin Towers stood. Once built, the center will indeed house a mosque, "open and accessible to all" - but also a swimming pool, basketball court, auditorium, library, day-care facility, restaurant and cooking school. The center is being built by a private organization on land it legally owns. Twenty-nine out of 30 Lower Manhattan community-board members voted to approve it. By every legal standard, the case for allowing Park51 to be built is, in the words of conservative UCLA constitutional-law professor Eugene Volokh, "open and shut."

But the question isn't going away. President Obama's statement on Aug. 13 endorsing "the right to build a place of worship and a community center on private property in lower Manhattan" has unleashed another storm of partisan bloviation. Obama is "pandering to radical Islam," says Newt Gingrich; John Boehner finds Obama's comments "deeply troubling." On this issue, the President's critics have public opinion on their side: nearly 70% of Americans in a CNN–Opinion Research Corporation poll say they oppose a Ground Zero mosque. (See Mark Halperin on why the GOP should avoid the issue.)

Many opponents of the Park51 project claim that the mosque itself isn't the problem; it's the idea of building it so close to the World Trade Center. Such misgivings have some validity. But the heat the mosque controversy has generated, on both the left and right, is unhealthy, misplaced and ultimately self-defeating. It reflects our tendency to exaggerate the real threat posed by Islamic extremism and what America should do about it. And nine years after 9/11, the fight over the mosque near Ground Zero shows how obsessed we remain with an enemy that may no longer exist. (See more commentary on Islamophobia and the mosque near Ground Zero.)

The mosque's critics and champions both say their goal is to counter radical Islam. In his Aug. 3 speech defending the Park51 project, New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg said that "we would play into our enemies' hands" if we were to deny American Muslims the right to build a mosque where they choose. "To cave to popular sentiment would be to hand a victory to the terrorists," Bloomberg said. New York Congressman Jerrod Nadler, a mosque supporter, says, "Everybody's liberty is at stake here." The mosque's opponents make the same argument in reverse. Gingrich has called the Cordoba Initiative part of "an Islamist cultural-political offensive designed to undermine and destroy our civilization." Building the mosque, in the words of one conservative columnist, would be "a symbolic monument to the triumph of Islamism in the United States." (See the moderate imam behind the mosque near Ground Zero.)

The prevalence of such rhetoric on both sides of the mosque debate makes it seem as if the struggle against global jihadism hangs in the balance. The truth is that Osama bin Laden and his ilk face much bigger problems. The story of the past decade in the Muslim world is that of the widespread rejection - or "refudiation," to borrow a phrase - of terrorism. A study by the Pew Research Center earlier this year found that support in Muslim countries for suicide bombings has fallen precipitously from post-9/11 levels. One-third of Pakistanis believed terrorism was justified in 2002; now just 8% do. For all our anxiety about the rise of religious extremism, no government in the Arab world has been toppled by forces sympathetic to al-Qaeda since 2001. And though some militant Muslims surely wish us harm, their ability to actually inflict it has eroded; it has been more than five years since the last successful al-Qaeda attack in the West.

The eclipse of al-Qaeda has come about largely through revulsion at the jihadists' indiscriminate slaughter of fellow Muslims, from Indonesia to Iraq. And yet we have failed to notice. A Gallup poll taken in June found that Americans still believe terrorism is a bigger threat to the future well-being of the country than health care costs, unemployment and illegal immigration. (Only the federal debt was deemed an issue of equal seriousness.) America's post-9/11 obsession with terrorism, the belief that we are locked in an epic ideological struggle with radical Islam, has stretched our resources to the limit and distracted us from higher-order priorities. National myopia poses a bigger challenge to the U.S.'s long-term stability than terrorism ever will.

What does this mean for the mosque near Ground Zero? However the dispute is ultimately resolved, its impact on the "threat" posed by radical Islam will be negligible. That's because the threat is receding on its own. Allowing a place of worship to be built in lower Manhattan will constitute neither an American triumph nor a defeat. It will simply tell the world that this nation, wisely, has decided to move on.

Time (http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/08599201140000)

GAR

08-18-2010, 07:59 PM

The Islamist's want the complete elimination of every single American.

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They'd luvvit. They get high on that shit.

GAR

08-18-2010, 08:04 PM

'Ground Zero Mosque' Park51 Not a Triumph of Radical Islam
By ROMESH RATNESAR Romesh Ratnesar Wed Aug 18, 3:30 am ET

Time (http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/08599201140000)

All Islam is radical Islam.. that's like saying "obey only the nonviolent part of the Koran they ripped from the Bible" and not the parts that condone murder, violence and schiophrenia.

Islam is a culture of handpicked schizophrenia built to excite the masses to unison. That worked in the 7th century to unite the Arabs off the cheaper, less- helpful classical idols of their conquerors but it doesn't work today. They need to ditch that.

Seshmeister

08-18-2010, 08:08 PM

All Islam is radical Islam.. that's like saying "obey only the nonviolent part of the Koran they ripped from the Bible" and not the parts that condone murder, violence and schiophrenia.

Islam is a culture of handpicked schizophrenia built to excite the masses to unison. That worked in the 7th century to unite the Arabs off the cheaper, less- helpful classical idols of their conquerors but it doesn't work today. They need to ditch that.

I would like you to see you distinguish that statement from the bible but I don't think you could.

Here's a thought for the hard of thinking, 1.1 billion muslims, kind of surprising you haven't been wiped out yet.

Seshmeister

08-18-2010, 08:38 PM

Stupid or baiting, life's too short.

Nickdfresh

08-18-2010, 09:19 PM

All Islam is radical Islam.. that's like saying "obey only the nonviolent part of the Koran they ripped from the Bible" and not the parts that condone murder, violence and schiophrenia.

Islam is a culture of handpicked schizophrenia built to excite the masses to unison. That worked in the 7th century to unite the Arabs off the cheaper, less- helpful classical idols of their conquerors but it doesn't work today. They need to ditch that.

You need to Google a bit more, retard.

Or maybe you can run and hide like the Chicken Little cowardly bitch™ afraid of the supposed "Evil (Manchurian Candidate-Like) Muslims" programmed to kill us like Abrahamic Stepford-children despite the fact that you know none of them and obviously cannot have any intellectual or conversational interactions in your shitty day-job easily stolen by Mexicans...

Nickdfresh

08-18-2010, 09:20 PM

Nickdfresh

08-18-2010, 09:24 PM

Validation of that statement depends on verification of authorship on an individual basis.

Nobody said "never let the Jihads build a mosque." Just not the one under consideration, that's all.

Regardless of where it's going to be built, the CIA will plant more bugs in the walls and doors than in FORD's memory bank no matter what!

It would be completely illegal for the "CIA" to "plant bugs" or operate in any sort of domestic internal-security function not directly related to their own security at CIA facilities. That's what the FBI is for, Google-fuckwit...

Nickdfresh

08-18-2010, 09:39 PM

Good luck with that shit, fuckstump. :)

FORD

08-18-2010, 09:58 PM

jhale667

08-18-2010, 10:50 PM

I sit next to one such person at work.

As do I.

Those throwing around generalizations need to STFU.

jhale667

08-18-2010, 11:00 PM

The only acceptable generalization in this discussion - ALL organized religion is pretty much batshit, and there's a damn good reason for the church/state separation in America as we've seen in this very thread.

America In The Twilight Zone: I Can't Believe We Are Even Discussing This
by Russell Simmons

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/russell-simmons/america-in-the-twilight-z_b_683035.html

It was a bitter cold night in Grant Park in downtown Chicago on November 4th, 2008, but tens of thousands of people waited in the frigid weather to hear the victory speech of our 44th President, Barack Obama. Millions of people in this nation and around the world, including myself, were glued to the television to see how he would inspire us to come together after a very contentious battle with Senator John McCain. These words, in particular, have stayed with me for almost two years, as I believe they are words that define the very essence of who our president is:

And to all those watching tonight from beyond our shores, from parliaments and palaces to those who are huddled around radios in the forgotten corners of our world -- our stories are singular, but our destiny is shared, and a new dawn of American leadership is at hand. To those who would tear this world down -- we will defeat you. To those who seek peace and security -- we support you. And to all those who have wondered if Americas beacon still burns as bright -- tonight we proved once more that the true strength of our nation comes not from our the might of our arms or the scale of our wealth, but from the enduring power of our ideals: democracy, liberty, opportunity, and unyielding hope.

For that is the true genius of America -- that America can change. Our union can be perfected. And what we have already achieved gives us hope for what we can and must achieve tomorrow.

As I reflect upon these words and think of the furor that has erupted over the "Ground Zero Mosque" proposal, as the Chairman of The Foundation Of Ethnic Understanding, I am appalled. Am I in a dream? I can't even believe, that in this day and age, we are even discussing this. In my previous blog for Huffington Post, I expressed my dissatisfaction for the reactionary right wing's response, which opposes the very nature of our nation's values: liberty and tolerance. In this country, the fact that we still have this type of hate is disheartening, to say the least. It is like we are living in a twilight zone. As the conservatives and the right continue to preach that they are the ones who are on god's side, I am dismayed to see them behave in quite the opposite manner.

During Ramadan dinner on Friday night at the White House, President Obama's righteous stand opposing bigotry and supporting religious liberty sends a critical message to opponents of the Cordoba House Islamic Center. We must never tolerate hate and bigotry directed at any group, including Muslims. President Obama is right that we all must 'recognize and respect the sensitivities surrounding the development of Lower Manhattan.'

Yet we all have a sacred responsibility to defend the most vulnerable among us and minorities who are under attack. Not in our America will Muslims be targeted as second class citizens without the strongest and loudest protest. We welcome President Obama to this conversation. If nothing else, this president will be remembered for showing the most amazing leadership in the promotion of tolerance, love and compassion. And for that we will be forever grateful.

Anonymous

08-18-2010, 11:01 PM

I sit next to one such person at work.

Is it that poor, poor girl that uses "like" & "OMG" between every word?

Can we bomb those people?

Granted, there wouldn't be much left of Amerika, but the people would survive & rebuild anew. And maybe the world wouldn't hate Amerikaners so much afterwards.

Cheers! :bottle:

GAR

08-19-2010, 01:39 AM

We could meet them halfway and build a church and recreational center in the Zamzam office towers that overlook that shrine in Mecca, but the minute a US construction site steps off the plane they'd be imprisoned.

It's not a two-way street over there. Therefore, we have to entomb them all in radioactive waste and then bulldoze the ashes into the ocean to be done with it.

Blaze

08-19-2010, 01:46 AM

Nice White-Powa' racist Neo-Nazis, who share much of your world view, also celebrated on 9/11...

I can't find it at the very moment, However, a significant number of white separatist are Muslim. I think that file is in the 2007 archives. I'll research it later.

Blaze

08-19-2010, 01:48 AM

By CALVIN WOODWARD, Associated Press Writer – 2 hrs 20 mins ago
WASHINGTON – A New York imam and his proposed mosque near ground zero are being demonized by political candidates — mostly Republicans — despite the fact that Islam is already very much a part of the World Trade Center neighborhood. And that Muslims pray inside the Pentagon, too, less than 80 feet from where terrorists attacked.
And that the imam who's being branded an extremist has been valued by both Republican and Democratic administrations as a moderate face of the faith.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100819/ap_on_go_ot/us_mosque_fact_check

Blaze

08-19-2010, 01:51 AM

By Daniel Trotta – Wed Aug 18, 2:23 pm ET
NEW YORK (Reuters) – Muslims in lower Manhattan who have prayed in a crowded basement or in the streets say they are not looking for confrontation with opponents of a new mosque. They simply need the space.
Some New Yorkers traumatized by the September 11, 2001 attacks have emotionally opposed a proposed Muslim community center and mosque two blocks from the site of the World Trade Center. Republican politicians seeking to wrest control of Congress from Democrats in November elections have seized on the issue.
The controversy has sucked in President Barack Obama and stirred debate about the meaning of religious freedom in a nation founded in part on that principle. Competing rallies for and against the Muslim project are planned to mark this year's ninth anniversary of the attacks.
Stuck in the middle are Muslims who work in downtown Manhattan and need a place for daily prayers.
"You know how many Muslims are in this area? On Friday the street used to be packed, and we had a pass from the police to block the streets," said Saad Madaha, 32, a consultant originally from Ghana who prays at Masjid Manhattan in a narrow basement beneath a night club.
"I would like to see a mosque that looks more like a mosque. I would like to go and pray and have full concentration in my prayers and not have music bashing me in my head."
The Masjid Manhattan, one of two mosques in the area, is four blocks from the World Trade Center but has gone largely unnoticed. A door with a modest sign "MASJID" -- Arabic for mosque -- leads from the sidewalk to the prayer space below.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20100818/ts_nm/us_usa_mosque

Blaze

08-19-2010, 01:53 AM

By ANNE FLAHERTY, Associated Press Writer – Wed Aug 18, 6:38 pm ET
WASHINGTON – While Americans are bitterly debating the proposed building of a mosque near New York's ground zero, Muslims have been praying for years less than 80 feet from where another hijacked jetliner struck.
The Pentagon chapel is part of a memorial to the 184 people killed in 2001 when hijacked American Airlines Flight 77 flew into the west side of the Pentagon and plowed through three of the building's five office rings.
As part of its massive renovation, the Pentagon opened the nondenominational chapel in November 2002. The chapel hosts a daily prayer group and weekly worship service for Muslims and provides similar services for Jews, Hindus, Mormons, Protestants, Catholics and Episcopalians.
Pentagon officials say that no one in the military or the families of the victims of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks has ever protested.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100818/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_pentagon_muslims

Blaze

08-19-2010, 01:55 AM

Controversy continues to rage over the proposed Islamic center that would house a mosque two blocks from Ground Zero in Manhattan. New polls show strong opposition to the project in New York and nationally, and every Republican front-runner for 2012 has been quick to condemn it. Even some Democrats, including Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, have said they think the mosque should be built somewhere else.
One of the tactics of mosque opponents has been to vaguely accuse the imam behind the project of having "radical ties" — a charge that's been floated by Sarah Palin, Newt Gingrich, and New York gubernatorial candidate Rick Lazio, among others — while also casting aspersions on the project's funding. (A spokesman for the project said through Twitter that the center's backers have not yet begun fundraising.)
[Photos: Ground Zero mosque plan]
But such characterizations don't square with the project's mission — or the career of its spiritual leader, Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf. (Rauf heads up the Cordoba Initiative, the organization sponsoring the center.) Rauf was considered moderate enough during the Bush years to lecture FBI agents about Islam. And he is targeted on theological grounds by the same militant Islamists that mosque opponents claim he represents.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_upshot/20100818/pl_yblog_upshot/imam-at-center-of-ground-zero-controversy-helped-bush-administration

GAR

08-19-2010, 03:51 AM

Yeah, meanwhile, he's probably facing follicular challenges himself, hence the envy... :hee:

The thinning down that dyed-orange middle shines like a Cartel landing strip in the Sonoran Desert.

ULTRAMAN VH

08-19-2010, 04:48 AM

You're not looking closely enough.

In classic neocon shitbag fashion, you're being both a fear AND a hate-mongering idiot. None of my muslim co-workers have tried to kill me (shock!). Blanket statements like that are just idiotic. THIS is why you don't get taken seriously.
Instead of altering my posts and resorting to infantile name calling, try refuting my statements. Please prove what I stated in my post was false.

ULTRAMAN VH

08-19-2010, 05:11 AM

Ford must be shitting a gorilla this morning! His hero, Howard Dean has come out against the building of the mosque.:stirthepot:

Former Vermont Gov. Howard Dean comes out against proposed mosque at Ground Zero

Former Vermont Governor Howard Dean, in a surprise move Wednesday, became the second high profile Democrat to come out against the building of a cultural center and mosque two blocks away from Ground Zero.

“This is something that we ought to be able to work out with people of good faith," Dean said in an interview with WABC radio.

"We have to understand that it is a real affront to people who’ve lost their lives, including Muslims.

"That site doesn’t belong to any particular religion … So I think a good reasonable compromise could be worked out without violating the principle that people ought to be able to worship as they see fit.”

Dean, one of the more liberal members of the party who ran unsuccessfully for the Democratic presidential nomination in 2004 before serving as head of the Democratic National Committee (DNC), suggested the mosque should be moved.

“Well I think another site would be a better idea, again -- but I would look to do that with the cooperation of the people who are trying to build the mosque,” Dean said.

Dean became the second high profile Democrat to come out against the building of the mosque just blocks from Ground Zero.

On Monday, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) became the first high profile Democrat to oppose building it. Reid is locked in a tight re-election race in Nevada against Tea Party candidate Sharron Angle.

“The First Amendment protects freedom of religion," Reid’s spokesman Jim Manley wrote in an email to NewsCore Monday. "Senator Reid respects that, but thinks that the mosque should be built someplace else."

A Siena Research Institute poll released Wednesday showed that 61 percent of New Yorkers opposed building the mosque at the current location. National polls have showed a similar number of people opposed to it.

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/former_vermont_ground_howard_dean_TVP6FsmlsCkAwfWk cZgGkP#ixzz0x2aJLYif

Seshmeister

08-19-2010, 06:28 AM

jhale667

08-19-2010, 11:29 AM

Instead of altering my posts and resorting to infantile name calling, try refuting my statements. Please prove what I stated in my post was false.

Your statement was idiotic, and should be ridiculed, sorry. There's no need to refute the your statement - the FACT is that ALL Muslims aren't out to get you, dude. Wake up.

FORD

08-19-2010, 12:10 PM

Ford must be shitting a gorilla this morning! His hero, Howard Dean has come out against the building of the mosque.:stirthepot:

Just as Ted Olson or Pat Buchanan gets something right once in a great while, even Dr. Dean can be wrong at least once. And he certainly is, in this case.

The community center (including, but not limited to, a mosque) is not being built in the vacant lot where the World Trade Center used to stand. It's being built in a Burlington Coat Factory building, for fucks sake. It's not sacred ground, it's a goddamn outlet store!

jhale667

08-19-2010, 12:14 PM

Just as Ted Olson or Pat Buchanan gets something right once in a great while, even Dr. Dean can be wrong at least once. And he certainly is, in this case.

The community center (including, but not limited to, a mosque) is not being built in the vacant lot where the World Trade Center used to stand. It's being built in a Burlington Coat Factory building, for fucks sake. It's not sacred ground, it's a goddamn outlet store!

Exactly. And I agree before ANYONE can even begin to bitch ("American blood shed", "Sacred Ground") about this - every Robert E. Lee and/or Confederate Civil War memorial needs to be torn the fuck down. Let's be consistent.

jhale667

08-19-2010, 12:31 PM

HERE's why the shitbags are trying to gin up the Muslim-hate, so they can then attempt to connect it to the POTUS for the mid-terms. And stupid people are falling for it.

Poll: Growing number incorrectly call Obama Muslim
By ALAN FRAM, Associated Press Writer

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100819/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_poll_obama_s_religion

WASHINGTON – Americans increasingly are convinced — incorrectly — that President Barack Obama is a Muslim, and a growing number are thoroughly confused about his religion.

Nearly one in five people, or 18 percent, said they think Obama is Muslim, up from the 11 percent who said so in March 2009, according to a poll released Thursday. The proportion who correctly say he is a Christian is down to just 34 percent.

The largest share of people, 43 percent, said they don't know his religion, an increase from the 34 percent who said that in early 2009.

The survey, conducted by the nonpartisan Pew Research Center and its affiliated Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life, is based on interviews conducted before the controversy over whether Muslims should be permitted to construct a mosque near the World Trade Center site. Obama has said he believes Muslims have the right to build an Islamic center there, though he's also said he won't take a position on whether they should actually build it.

In a separate poll by Time magazine/ABT SRBI conducted Monday and Tuesday — after Obama's comments about the mosque — 24 percent said they think he is Muslim, 47 percent said they think he is Christian and 24 percent didn't know or didn't respond.

In addition, 61 percent opposed building the Muslim center near the Trade Center site and 26 percent said they favor it.

The Pew poll found that about three in 10 of Obama's fiercest political rivals, Republicans and conservatives, say he is a Muslim. That is up significantly from last year and far higher than the share of Democrats and liberals who say so. But even among his supporters, the number saying he is a Christian has fallen since 2009, with just 43 percent of blacks and 46 percent of Democrats saying he is Christian.

Among independents, 18 percent say Obama is Muslim — up from 10 percent last year.

Pew analysts attribute the findings to attacks by his opponents and Obama's limited attendance at religious services, particularly in contrast with Presidents George W. Bush and Bill Clinton, whose worship was more public.

Andrew Kohut, the Pew Research Center's director, said the confusion partly reflects "the intensification of negative views about Obama among his critics." Alan Cooperman, the Pew Forum's associate director for research, said that with the public hearing little about Obama's religion, "maybe there's more possibility for other people to make suggestions that the president is this or he's really that or he's really a Muslim."

Obama is the Christian son of a Kenyan Muslim father and a Kansas mother. From age 6 to 10, Obama lived in predominantly Muslim Indonesia with his mother and Indonesian stepfather. His full name, Barack Hussein Obama, sounds Muslim to many.

White House officials did not provide on-the-record comments on the survey, but they prompted Pastor Kirbyjon Caldwell of Houston to call The Associated Press.

Caldwell, who said he has known Obama for years, said the president is a Christian who prays every day. He said he was not sure where the public confusion about the president's religion came from, but he called false media reports about it "a 24-hour noise box committed to presenting the president in a false light."

Six in 10 of those saying Obama is a Muslim said they got the information from the media, with the largest portion — 16 percent — saying it was on television. Eleven percent said they learned it from Obama's behavior and words.

Despite the confusion about Obama's religion, there is noteworthy support for how he uses it to make decisions. Nearly half, or 48 percent, said he relies on his religion the right amount when making policy choices, 21 percent said he uses it too little and 11 percent too much.

At the same time, the poll provides broad indications that the public feels religion is playing a diminished role in politics today, with fewer people than in 2008 saying the Democratic and Republican parties are friendly toward religion.

With elections for control of Congress just over two months away, the poll contains optimistic news for Republicans. Half of white non-Hispanic Catholics, plus three in 10 unaffiliated with a religion and a third of Jews, support the GOP — all up since 2008.

The survey also found:

_The Democratic Party is seen as friendly to religion by 26 percent, while 43 percent say the same about the GOP. That's a 9 percentage point drop for Republicans since 2008, and 12 points lower for Democrats.

_Fifty-two percent say churches should stay away from politics, a reversal of the slim majorities that supported churches' political involvement from 1996 to 2006.

The poll, overseen by Princeton Survey Research Associates International, involved landline and cell phone interviews with 3,003 randomly chosen adults. It was conducted July 21-Aug. 5 and has a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 2.5 percentage points.

Notice the one positive - the margin of people that think ALL churches should stay the F out of politics is rising.

GAR

08-19-2010, 01:44 PM

President Oramadan says he's Christian, but he doesn't apply the principles.

This behaviour follows Islamic teaching that it's okay to deceive the Nonbeliever to get a foothold, to kill, to do whatever the human mind wishes in the name of the Lord of the Oilbarrels.

I personally believe what he has done so far has been deceptive, misleading, has lied throughout the entire campaign trail and up to the current day which demostrates if the case truly reveals Oramadan is not a Muslim in the Islamic sense, he's certainly not a Christian.

Christians know that abortion is a medical murdering of the unborn, and to be both pro-Abortion while professing an adherance to any type of Christian faith is complete self-deception.

I would be open to accepting the fact Obama believes he's a Christian if it weren't for his Socialist agenda, which rewards LOSERS in society by taking from the reward from the winners who've worked hard and struggled to make something of themselves.

Jesus Christ

08-19-2010, 01:56 PM

Ye knoweth nothing about what it means to be My disciple, Gary. Thou art a liar and a hypocrite.

GAR

08-19-2010, 02:35 PM

If you can identify which statement is a mistruth, but purely an opinion or speculation I'll retract it: I made a few statements in my last post..

1. Islam teaches securing a deception as a defense of its' faith is not a sin, if it destroys a greater "sin."
2. .. that justification of the "sin" as lesser than the sin it attacks on a personal level as Lord of the Oilbarrels' goal is permitted.
3. .. that my belief of Obama's intent to trick and mislead the public of his true goals isn't also proven fact.
4. .. that my believe he's an unstated Muslim isn't contradicted by his selective and pro-contrartian Christian public facade, but instead supports my belief.
5. .. abortion is murder, and a complete contradiction to one claiming to be of the faith, and is a self-deception for one to think to hold salvation AND have an abortion.
6. .. state Socialism contradicts (specifically government, not faith-based social assistance) Christianity and is neither supported by those scriptures, nor supports scripturallly-based social assistance.
7. .. taking away from those who labor to give to those who is unfair and cheats those who labor to reward those who won't and don't.

Which one(s), Jeez?

You know, many people who start out in life seeking Jesus Christ and some further spiritual meaning in life who were really searching high and low but didn't find THIS one, weren't looking low enough.

Matthew 7:15 (New International Version)

A Tree and Its Fruit

<sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-23332">15</sup>"Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves.

Seshmeister

08-19-2010, 07:12 PM

Theology really isn't your thing is it? :)

Jesus Christ

08-19-2010, 07:15 PM

Verily, even the non-believers understandeth more than GAyR.

GAR

08-19-2010, 10:22 PM

From the looks of such protest here from the Peanut Galley, doesn't look like I need to sweat retracting anything soon..

Seshmeister

08-19-2010, 11:36 PM

GAR sorry but after a hard days work I don't feel I should have to spend a lot of time running a course here for you in kids level theology.

In short given how little you seem to know about the scripture of your own religion it's completely ludicrous for you to try and comment on the interpretation of the Koran.

GAR

08-19-2010, 11:48 PM

I don't recall stating a religion? Funny you that.

ULTRAMAN VH

08-20-2010, 07:04 AM

Your statement was idiotic, and should be ridiculed, sorry. There's no need to refute the your statement - the FACT is that ALL Muslims aren't out to get you, dude. Wake up.

Typical, at least Ford and Nick bring some game. Anyway, you're right, not all muslims are out to get me. But if you would take your head out of your ass or the sand, you would see that there are cells on U.S. soil planning on how to implement their next attacks. By pure luck, the two most recent attempts failed. You need to wake up DUDE! Again, Mr. Naive, stick to discussions on playing guitar.

ULTRAMAN VH

08-20-2010, 07:22 AM

Just as Ted Olson or Pat Buchanan gets something right once in a great while, even Dr. Dean can be wrong at least once. And he certainly is, in this case.

The community center (including, but not limited to, a mosque) is not being built in the vacant lot where the World Trade Center used to stand. It's being built in a Burlington Coat Factory building, for fucks sake. It's not sacred ground, it's a goddamn outlet store!

Um yeah, by all means please explain away the landing gear that crashed down on the roof of the Burlington Coat Factory. No matter how you try and defend the construction, your hero is right. It is a complete disservice and affront to the victims and their families.

Blaze

08-20-2010, 07:24 AM

Typical, at least Ford and Nick bring some game. Anyway, you're right, not all muslims are out to get me. But if you would take your head out of your ass or the sand, you would see that there are cells on U.S. soil planning on how to implement their next attacks. By pure luck, the two most recent attempts failed. You need to wake up DUDE! Again, Mr. Naive, stick to discussions on playing guitar.

Tennessee: White Supremacist Terrorist Pleads Guilty — Mass Murder Terror Plot – Paul Schlesselman
By R.E.A.L. Organization • on January 14, 2010

The U.S. Department of Justice reported today that white supremacist terrorist Paul Schlesselman “admitted to conspiring to murder dozens of people, with a focus on murdering African-Americans. He further acknowledged that he intended to culminate his killing spree by assassinating then-Senator Barack Obama, who was a presidential candidate at the time.”

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http://www.realcourage.org/2010/01/paul-schlesselman-pleads-guilty/