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Nickdfresh
06-06-2010, 08:20 AM
Israel turning into a 'burden' on U.S.?
Ex-ambassador: Country is 'an ally heading in a very different direction'
By Scott Wilson
The Washington Post
updated 3:00 a.m. ET, Sat., June 5, 2010

Since its creation more than six decades ago, the state of Israel has been at times a vexing ally to the United States.

But it poses a special challenge for President Obama, whose foreign policy emphasizes the importance of international rules and organizations that successive Israeli governments have clashed with and often ignored.

His dilemma has come into clear focus after Israel's military operation this week, in which commandos boarded a Gaza-bound aid flotilla in international waters, killing nine civilians, among them a 19-year-old U.S. citizen of Turkish descent.

The head of Israel's foreign intelligence service warned parliament the next day that the country is "gradually turning from an asset of the United States to a burden." An Irish aid ship was steaming toward Gaza on Friday night despite Israeli warnings that it would be stopped.

Israel 'is a problem'
Israel has a unique set of security threats and national ambitions that have fostered policies inconsistent with Obama's broader agenda, including his push to stop the spread of nuclear weapons and repair U.S. relations with the Islamic world.

That has forced him to carve out exceptions for Israel that undermine the consistency he seeks in dealing with allies and antagonists alike.

Those differences have also made it hard for Obama to speak unequivocally in support of Israel during difficult times. Asked by CNN's Larry King on Thursday if it were "premature then to condemn Israel," Obama said, "I think that we need to know what all of the facts are."

Israeli officials "look at the world quite differently from the way from this president does, and they are not willing to just fall in line because he is the president," said Daniel C. Kurtzer, a former U.S. ambassador to Israel who advised Obama's campaign and now teaches at Princeton University. "Israel and the United States are seeing the threat environment in the region — and the ways to deal with the threat environment — in increasingly different ways. And for the United States that means Israel is a problem, as an ally heading in a very different direction."

So far, Obama has little tangible to show for his Middle East policy; the raid threatens to undercut what progress he has made. His attempt to turn "proximity talks" between Israelis and Palestinians into direct negotiations has been complicated by the Gaza operation. So has his bid for new sanctions against Iran at the United Nations.

Patch up relations
Before the raid, the administration was working to patch up relations with Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu, which frayed this year over Israel's settlement policy, and with an American Jewish community that has long viewed Obama as an uncertain friend of Israel.

Last week, Obama marked Jewish American Heritage Month with a White House reception for 200 guests, who encountered at the entrance President Harry Truman's May 1948 statement recognizing the state of Israel.

Obama also met last month with three dozen Jewish members of Congress, telling them, according to one participant, that he "can't impose" a peace settlement on Israelis and Palestinians but "may outline a solution for the parties."

To Israel and its supporters, though, Obama must show an emotional understanding of the threats they face before pushing peace proposals.

Israeli leaders have traditionally found few places besides the United States to turn to for support. Israel mistrusts international organizations such as the United Nations, whose General Assembly once passed a resolution equating Zionism with racism. It was later reversed.

David Makovsky, a fellow at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy, said that "both Bill Clinton and [George W.] Bush were able to evince a visceral identification with an Israel that exists in a very difficult neighborhood." That identification, he said, was essential to good relations with the Israeli government and public, which has a low opinion of Obama.

"Obama has been more detached and programmatic in his approach," said Makovsky, who wrote the 2009 book "Myths, Illusions, and Peace: Finding a New Direction in the Middle East" with Dennis Ross, an Obama adviser on the region. "But there's a paradox in this because you need a shared agenda to have trust. And you need trust to forge a shared agenda."

In his June 2009 address to the Muslim world at Cairo University, Obama drew applause for stating that "the United States does not accept the legitimacy of continued Israeli settlements" in territories Israel occupied in the 1967 war. He said that "this construction violates previous agreements and undermines efforts to achieve peace."

Those remarks represented a sharp turn from the Bush administration's position that Israel could expect to keep its largest West Bank settlement blocs.

"The key to understanding this president is to know that he is about change — it wasn't just a slogan," said Michael B. Oren, Israel's ambassador to Washington. "This is a changing relationship, but change doesn't necessarily mean friction."

Israeli leaders have argued that Jewish settlements in the West Bank serve as a buffer against Arab attack from the east. But many members of Netanyahu's Likud party also believe Jews have a biblical claim to the land, making it politically difficult for the prime minister to stop settlement construction.

"We have areas of disagreement — Jerusalem is one, and the friction around the settlements," said Oren, who spent four hours at the White House this week meeting with senior administration officials. "They want us to be more flexible on the Gaza issue, and we also want to change the status quo. The fact we are having this dialogue is a sign of our shared interests."

Double standards
But Obama, who has sought to eliminate double standards in U.S. foreign policy since taking office, has had to make exceptions for Israel on some of his most important initiatives.

At the end of the Nuclear Security Summit he convened in April, Obama spoke at length about Iran's need to meet its obligations under the Non-Proliferation Treaty or face harsher sanctions for not doing so.

Asked if he would press Israel to declare its decades-old nuclear program and sign the Non-Proliferation Treaty, which moments earlier he had called "the cornerstone of our global efforts to prevent the spread of nuclear weapons," Obama said, "I'm not going to comment on their program."

"What I'm going to point to is the fact that consistently we have urged all countries to become members of the NPT," he added.

A major treaty review last month ended with a statement that singled out Israel's nuclear program for criticism, but did not condemn Iran's secret nuclear facilities. James L. Jones, Obama's national security adviser, called the omission "deplorable."

"This administration faces two very difficult stances to reconcile," said Robert Malley, a former Middle East adviser to Clinton. "You have Israel feeling that it stands apart because it faces challenges unlike anyone else. And you have an administration that wants to establish a rule-bound international order. The question is how effectively do they juggle the two, and the test of that will be whether they achieve their policy."

Staff writer Glenn Kessler contributed to this report.


© 2010 The Washington Post Company (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37523915/ns/world_news-washington_post/)

Va Beach VH Fan
06-06-2010, 08:29 AM
Talk about a complicated relationship....

Blaze
06-06-2010, 08:47 AM
Talk about a complicated relationship....
And to complicate it more, if that is what it is called~

Israeli Defense Forces Execute American Citizen

What else would you call it?
The Israeli commandos that boarded the Free Gaza Flotilla shot Furkan Dogan once in the chest and four times in the head at close range.
Was he still resisting after the third head shot?
Did five different commandos happen to shoot him all at the same time in the middle of the night with stunning accuracy?
No, someone shot Dogan at close range and did so enough times to make sure he was dead well after there might have been any resistance. That's generally known as an execution.

Dogan is an American citizen. That's an uncomfortable fact for a lot of people, especially for our politicians who will do anything possible to cover for what Israel has done here. It's hard to cover for the summary execution of an American citizen. But they've managed pretty well so far. Do you hear any cries of outrage coming from America? No, didn't think so.

Now, let's be fair. Dogan was born in Troy, New York, but he moved to Turkey when he was young. Maybe that's why the American government or media haven't made a big deal out of it.

So, imagine if Hamas had boarded a ship in international waters and shot a Jewish American who had lived in Israel most of his life. Now imagine they shot him in the head four times. Does anyone really believe we would say that doesn't really count because he'd been living in Israel too long? Does anyone believe we wouldn't be apoplectic about that? And rightfully so.

Anybody know what we would call it if Hamas had shot an American citizen in the head? Yeah, you guessed it. Terrorism.

So, I'd like to ask the Obama administration - which one is it? Was his life more expendable because he was a) Turkish-American b) Muslim-American c) lived outside the country for awhile or d) because Israel killed him rather than another country?

I'm genuinely curious about that. The US government so far has reacted with what appears to be complete and utter indifference to the brutal slaying of one of its citizens. So, what was it that made this guy's life irrelevant?

I'm about to have a son. He will be partly Turkish-American. Can he be executed by Israel or any other country? Will our country protect him? Will they consider him a real American? Does he count?

Is there any other country that also has immunity in killing US citizens? We're apparently very good allies with Saudi Arabia. Do they get to execute of any our citizens? I'm just trying to figure out the ground rules here.

Does it still mean something to be an American?

ELVIS
06-06-2010, 09:17 AM
I thought the 19 hijackers were from Saudi Arabia....

Blaze
06-06-2010, 10:16 AM
And to complicate it more, if that is what it is called~

Israeli Defense Forces Execute American Citizen

What else would you call it?
The Israeli commandos that boarded the Free Gaza Flotilla shot Furkan Dogan once in the chest and four times in the head at close range.
Was he still resisting after the third head shot?
Did five different commandos happen to shoot him all at the same time in the middle of the night with stunning accuracy?
No, someone shot Dogan at close range and did so enough times to make sure he was dead well after there might have been any resistance. That's generally known as an execution.

Dogan is an American citizen. That's an uncomfortable fact for a lot of people, especially for our politicians who will do anything possible to cover for what Israel has done here. It's hard to cover for the summary execution of an American citizen. But they've managed pretty well so far. Do you hear any cries of outrage coming from America? No, didn't think so.

Now, let's be fair. Dogan was born in Troy, New York, but he moved to Turkey when he was young. Maybe that's why the American government or media haven't made a big deal out of it.

So, imagine if Hamas had boarded a ship in international waters and shot a Jewish American who had lived in Israel most of his life. Now imagine they shot him in the head four times. Does anyone really believe we would say that doesn't really count because he'd been living in Israel too long? Does anyone believe we wouldn't be apoplectic about that? And rightfully so.

Anybody know what we would call it if Hamas had shot an American citizen in the head? Yeah, you guessed it. Terrorism.

So, I'd like to ask the Obama administration - which one is it? Was his life more expendable because he was a) Turkish-American b) Muslim-American c) lived outside the country for awhile or d) because Israel killed him rather than another country?

I'm genuinely curious about that. The US government so far has reacted with what appears to be complete and utter indifference to the brutal slaying of one of its citizens. So, what was it that made this guy's life irrelevant?

I'm about to have a son. He will be partly Turkish-American. Can he be executed by Israel or any other country? Will our country protect him? Will they consider him a real American? Does he count?

Is there any other country that also has immunity in killing US citizens? We're apparently very good allies with Saudi Arabia. Do they get to execute of any our citizens? I'm just trying to figure out the ground rules here.

Does it still mean something to be an American?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/cenk-uygur/israeli-defense-forces-ex_b_600282.html

Sorry I forgot to place the link.

http://s.huffpost.com/contributors/cenk-uygur/headshot.jpg
Cenk Uygur
Host of The Young Turks
Posted: June 4, 2010 02:55 AM

~ The Young Turks are usually too wild for my taste, but he hit this spot on with little of the usual dramatics.

BigBadBrian
06-07-2010, 11:45 AM
And to complicate it more, if that is what it is called~

Israeli Defense Forces Execute American Citizen



No, the IDF shot and killed a dumbass who had the inbred stupidity of attacking a well armed force with iron pipes and knives.

WACF
06-07-2010, 12:20 PM
No, the IDF shot and killed a dumbass who had the inbred stupidity of attacking a well armed force with iron pipes and knives.


Pretty much a point missed.

Put your self in that soldiers shoes...did the "executed" individual have one of the pistols? Did he have a pipe or Knife? Was he attacking one of the soldiers?

Easy to judge from a chair.

These deaths were a waste.

If they had submitted to the insepections that were requested it would never have happened.

If the group that did this were not known to be involved in terrorism perhaps Israel may not have been so nervous.

I still think Israel was played into over reacting....and these clowns were pawns.

Blaze
06-07-2010, 01:19 PM
Pretty much a point missed.

Put your self in that soldiers shoes...did the "executed" individual have one of the pistols? Did he have a pipe or Knife? Was he attacking one of the soldiers?

Easy to judge from a chair.

These deaths were a waste.

If they had submitted to the insepections that were requested it would never have happened.

If the group that did this were not known to be involved in terrorism perhaps Israel may not have been so nervous.

I still think Israel was played into over reacting....and these clowns were pawns.

What you say is simply not the reality of the environment.

Israel has a behavior pattern of firing on civilians of all nationalities, and have executed an American citizen in international waters.


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Blaze
06-07-2010, 01:24 PM
Ship Dignity
On December 30, 2008, McKinney was aboard the ship Dignity as it attempted to enter the Gaza Strip, which had its coastal area declared a "closed military zone" by Israel, while on a humanitarian mission by the Free Gaza Movement from Cyprus. Aboard were physicians, medical supplies, and activists, including Caoimhe Butterly. The Israel Navy confronted the ship at night in international waters. Members of the crew claimed that the ship was rammed, gunfire was directed at the water, and the ship was forced to dock in Lebanon after taking on water[77][78]. Israel officials claimed that the collision was accidental and occurred after the ship was informed they wouldn't be allowed to enter Gaza and tried to outmaneuver the patrol boat; they decried McKinney's actions as being irresponsible and provocative for the sake of propaganda.[78][79]

[edit]Ship Spirit of Humanity
On June 30, 2009, McKinney was aboard the Greek-flagged Free Gaza Movement's ship Spirit of Humanity carrying 21 activists including Irish peace activist Mairead McGuire, medical supplies, a symbolic bag of cement, olive trees and toys, when it was seized by the Israeli Navy 18 mi (29 km) off the Gaza coast. It is unclear whether they were in international waters or in Gazan waters, which is subject to the Israeli blockade of Gaza.[80][81] Although both the Cypriot and Israeli authorities were officially informed the destination was Gaza before the vessel's departure, according to the Cypriot government the ship "was given permission by the competent Authorities of the Republic of Cyprus to sail off the port of Larnaca in Cyprus on the basis of its declaration that its intended destination was the port of Port Said in Egypt."[81]

McKinney was held at the Givon immigration detention center in Ramle, until she was released on July 5.[82] The Israeli government would have released McKinney and her fellow activists immediately had they signed deportation papers; however, McKinney at least initially refused to sign, arguing that she could not be sure of what the papers, written in Hebrew, said, and that the papers would require them to admit that they were in violation of Israel's blockade, which they deny.[83][84][85][86][87] According to the Atlanta Journal-Constitution, Israeli officials stated that the "Palestinian Authority and the rest of the international community had agreed to the off-shore blockade to prevent arms smuggling into Gaza."[85] The Palestinian Chronicle reports that such an agreement to the off-shore blockade never happened. "No Palestinians have agreed nor did the international community agree to a blockade of Gaza by land or Sea."[88] On June 17, 2009, a group of United Nations agencies and non-governmental organizations (NGOs) called for an end to Israel's blockade of the Gaza Strip.[89]

On July 7, 2009, McKinney was deported to the United States.[90] The Israeli government has indicated it will deliver the supplies via land.[85]

Blaze
06-07-2010, 01:31 PM
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Karl Penhaul, a CNN reporter aboard the aid ship Dignity, describes its encounter with an Israeli ship.

Blaze
06-07-2010, 01:36 PM
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January 16, 2009 — "Israel was born out of Jewish Terrorism" Tzipi Livnis Father was a Terrorist" Astonishing claims in the House of Parliament. SIR Gerald Kaufman, the veteran Labour MP, yesterday compared the actions of Israeli troops in Gaza to the Nazis who forced his family to flee Poland.

During a Commons debate on the fighting in Gaza, he urged the government to impose an arms embargo on Israel.

Sir Gerald, who was brought up as an orthodox Jew and Zionist, said: "My grandmother was ill in bed when the Nazis came to her home town a German soldier shot her dead in her bed.

"My grandmother did not die to provide cover for Israeli soldiers murdering Palestinian grandmothers in Gaza. The present Israeli government ruthlessly and cynically exploits the continuing guilt from gentiles over the slaughter of Jews in the Holocaust as justification for their murder of Palestinians."

He said the claim that many of the Palestinian victims were militants "was the reply of the Nazi" and added: "I suppose the Jews fighting for their lives in the Warsaw ghetto could have been dismissed as militants."

He accused the Israeli government of seeking "conquest" and added: "

They are not simply war criminals, they are fools."

Seshmeister
06-07-2010, 02:26 PM
Fucking hell when Kaufman comes out against the actions of Israel you really know that it is a rogue facist racist out of control criminal terrorist state.

WACF
06-07-2010, 03:18 PM
What you say is simply not the reality of the environment.

Israel has a behavior pattern of firing on civilians of all nationalities, and have executed an American citizen in international waters.

What I said is a reality of any situation with armed conflict...and it clearly applies here.

I really doubt that man was executed...he was killed in a confrontation.

Stating the number of times shot is like asking why a cop did not shoot the gun out of someone's hand.

Those soldiers went with paint guns too...they did not go to kill.

When the Israeli was thrown from the deck would we call that attempted murder?

Israel has a history of making it's point right or wrong...

During the last bought with Hamas a Canadian Peacekeeper with the UN was killed in an OP hit with artillery.

They were blasted for it in the media and claimed it was wrong maps.

The realilty was the Canadian involved had written earlier in an ariticle that Hamas would set up mortars at the base of their OP and fire into Israel...but the UN would not allow them to fire at the militants.

Israel got sick of it and made a point.

Seshmeister
06-07-2010, 03:32 PM
Israel kills 1000 times more innocent people than a few kids occasionally firing a morter bomb usually hitting nothing.

You are also ignoring the big picture whereby the Israelis have turned Gaza into a big concentration camp.

Oh the irony.

Seshmeister
06-07-2010, 03:35 PM
"My grandmother did not die to provide cover for Israeli soldiers murdering Palestinian grandmothers in Gaza. The present Israeli government ruthlessly and cynically exploits the continuing guilt from gentiles over the slaughter of Jews in the Holocaust as justification for their murder of Palestinians."

He said the claim that many of the Palestinian victims were militants "was the reply of the Nazi" and added: "I suppose the Jews fighting for their lives in the Warsaw ghetto could have been dismissed as militants."

He accused the Israeli government of seeking "conquest" and added: "

They are not simply war criminals, they are fools."

Spot on.

ELVIS
06-07-2010, 04:23 PM
Fucking hell when Kaufman comes out against the actions of Israel you really know that it is a rogue facist racist out of control criminal terrorist state.

Yeah, and it's a shame...especially when Hamas just wants to spread love with flowers and cute puppies...


:elvis:

Blaze
06-07-2010, 09:33 PM
Yeah, and it's a shame...especially when Hamas just wants to spread love with flowers and cute puppies...


:elvis:
http://politicsoffthegrid.files.wordpress.com/2007/05/mission_accomplished02-hires.jpg

Nickdfresh
06-08-2010, 02:59 AM
Yeah, and it's a shame...especially when Hamas just wants to spread love with flowers and cute puppies...


:elvis:

The Israeli blockade of Gaza benefits Hamas to no end, they receive huge subsidies from "taxing" smuggled goods getting through...

Nickdfresh
06-08-2010, 03:16 AM
Gaza Is About Butter, not Guns
Israel’s prime minister, Bibi Netanyahu, says the Gaza blockade is about preventing weapons-smuggling. Here’s why it’s not.
by Dan EphronJune 07, 2010
Uriel Sinai / Getty Images

Israel's prime minister, Bibi Netanyahu, says the Gaza blockade--which the flotilla of humanitarian aid had tried last week to circumvent--is about stopping weapons smugglers. Here's why it's not.

With the killing of nine pro-Palestinian activists aboard a ship bound for the Gaza Strip, Israel is facing mounting pressure to relax its blockade of the area. And late this week Prime Minister Bibi Netanyahu signaled he might be willing to relax the three-year-old embargo. In reports, unnamed Israeli officials, said Netanyahu might allow more goods to reach Palestinians and consent to having an international naval force inspect future Gaza-bound aid ships. But Netanyahu is adamant that these changes would be implemented only if Israel can continue blocking weapons from getting to the strip.

If true, Western powers will applaud the gestures. The only problem is that weapons-smuggling is not the real reason Israel has been blockading Gaza since 2007, the year Hamas seized power there. Clearly, Israel has cause to worry about weapons flowing into Gaza from Egypt, Iran, and elsewhere. But the real reason Israel has sealed Gaza is economic. When it comes to the blockade policy, weapons-smuggling is a red herring.

Think about it. There are three ways goods can get into Gaza: through Israeli crossing points, via illicit tunnels between Gaza and Egypt, and by sea. Israel controls the crossing points, so, open or closed, no weapons can make it to Palestinians that way. The tunnels operated long before the blockade was imposed and have multiplied in number over the past three years. Everything from livestock and gasoline to guns and rocket launchers are smuggled through them—and that hasn’t changed during the blockade. So, while Israel wants to stem the flow of arms from Egypt, easing or eliminating the blockade wouldn’t change the equation of things in those tunnels—the weapons are getting in anyway.

That leaves the sea route. Palestinians have certainly tried smuggling large amounts of weapons to Gaza by ship. In his speech following the storming of the Gaza-bound flotilla this week, Netanyahu mentioned two such vessels, the MV Francop in 2009 and the Karine A in 2002. What he didn’t say was that Israel intercepted both ships in international waters without so much as a peep from the rest of the world. In the case of the Karine A, it did so years before the current blockade on Gaza was in place. In other words, Israel doesn’t need a siege policy to stanch weapons-smuggling to Gaza by sea. All it needs is good intelligence and an effective navy. In both areas, Israel has shown itself to be extremely competent (though not necessarily this week).

So what is the blockade about? Chiefly, it’s about hampering the Hamas government by impeding Gaza’s economy. Israel has made a lot of noise this week about how much humanitarian aid is allowed to cross the border every week. True enough. But Israel’s government lets very little come out of Gaza via those crossings, making it next to impossible for most farmers and manufacturers to export their goods. According to Gisha, an Israeli rights group that gathers data on the blockade, about 90 percent of factories in Gaza are either closed or working at minimal capacity. If the goal of the blockade is to prevent arms from coming in, why block goods from going out? Those hurt most by the closing of this export artery are Gaza’s entrepreneurial—largely moderate—middle class, not the political leaders or the gunmen of Hamas.

The blockade had other goals as well. Israel hoped it would force the release of its captured soldier Gilad Shalit, whom Hamas has held since 2006, and stop the rocket attacks on Israeli territory. Indeed, rocket attacks are down, but largely as a result of Israel’s withering assault on the strip last year. Shalit remains a captive. And considering the fact that Hamas uses the blockade to generate income—by taxing goods Palestinians smuggle into Gaza through the tunnels—it’s clear the siege policy has been a failure for Israel.

What’s the alternative? Opening the border crossings between Israel and Gaza would divert much of the commerce away from the tunnels, denying Hamas that revenue stream. In exchange for lifting the blockade, Israel could demand from the international community a solution to the problem of weapons-smuggling through the tunnels (Egypt is already in the process of embedding a steel wall deep in the ground along the border with Gaza). Once Palestinians are again allowed to import and export freely through Israel, there would be no reason for political activists on flotillas to deliver goods to Gaza. Since the Gaza Strip has no port, the Israeli government could reasonably assume any ship approaching the area is engaged in illicit activity. In those circumstances, Israel would be justified in blocking and even boarding the vessels.

This alternative approach might give Hamas a chance to show it can govern successfully, something Israel understandably fears. But the policy of punishing all Gazans in the hope they’ll throw out their anti-Israel leaders is both callous and shortsighted. If the past three years are an indication, it’s also ineffective.

http://www.newsweek.com/2010/06/07/gaza-is-about-butter-not-guns.html

BigBadBrian
06-08-2010, 06:02 AM
The Israeli blockade of Gaza benefits Hamas to no end, they receive huge subsidies from "taxing" smuggled goods getting through...

Taxing goods their people "supposedly" desperately need: they must have the Barack Hussein
Ob(s)ama Marxist Playbook. :moon:

Nickdfresh
06-08-2010, 11:21 AM
Taxing goods their people "supposedly" desperately need: they must have the Barack Hussein
Ob(s)ama Marxist Playbook. :moon:

Wow, that's clever Brian. You're even more garrulous and stupid than you were four or five years ago. I'm seriously wondering of the original BBB sold his user ID to some high school teabag'tard or something...

BigBadBrian
06-08-2010, 11:30 AM
Wow, that's clever Brian. You're even more garrulous and stupid than you were four or five years ago. I'm seriously wondering of the original BBB sold his user ID to some high school teabag'tard or something...

Hey Girly-man, is that the best you've got? Seriously, that's like the 4th or 5th time you've said that. You're like a broken record. You need to step your game up a bit. You're too easy.

Nickdfresh
06-08-2010, 12:02 PM
Hey Girly-man, is that the best you've got? Seriously, that's like the 4th or 5th time you've said that. You're like a broken record. You need to step your game up a bit. You're too easy.



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BigBadBrian
06-08-2010, 12:08 PM
You see what I mean, DickforBreath? You're unoriginal. Try again.....c'mom, go ahead. :biggrin:

Blaze
06-08-2010, 12:16 PM
Hey Girly-man, is that the best you've got? Seriously, that's like the 4th or 5th time you've said that. You're like a broken record. You need to step your game up a bit. You're too easy.

Interesting. And given the numbers of times I was given a user name and password and asked to go post as another, more interesting.

jhale667
06-08-2010, 12:19 PM
Wow, that's clever Brian. You're even more garrulous and stupid than you were four or five years ago. I'm seriously wondering of the original BBB sold his user ID to some high school teabag'tard or something...


Would make sense...and I think we need to repost the bit about how having an Obama/Hitler Avatar negates ANY SHRED OF CREDIBILITY he (n)ever had... Seems he thinks people have forgotten...


And BrianBleedButtmunch, he keeps repeating that because HOPEFULLY ONE DAY IT WILL SINK IN TO YOUR SOFT-SPOT HAVING LITTLE HEAD...:rolleyes:

Nickdfresh
06-08-2010, 05:32 PM
You see what I mean, DickforBreath? You're unoriginal. Try again.....c'mom, go ahead. :biggrin:

That was very mean, Brian. Don't make me bring back Demon Cunt to own your ass daily and make you cry like the 'tard bitch you are...

BigBadBrian
06-09-2010, 07:58 AM
That was very mean, Brian. Don't make me bring back Demon Cunt to own your ass daily and make you cry like the 'tard bitch you are...

Demon Cunt was nothing but an insult hurling cunt that couldn't think for herself. Go ahead and bring her (her because he's a bitch) back. This forum needs some more threads filled with Kindergarten-type insults. You and GayHale would be at home in those. :fighting0056:

Nickdfresh
06-09-2010, 08:06 AM
Demon Cunt was nothing but an insult hurling cunt that couldn't think for herself. Go ahead and bring her (her because he's a bitch) back. This forum needs some more threads filled with Kindergarten-type insults. You and GayHale would be at home in those. :fighting0056:

You're a self-parody at this point, "man-child."

BigBadBrian
06-09-2010, 01:44 PM
You're a self-parody at this point, "man-child."

You'd be a better, more informed person if you'd quit sitting around in your tighty whities in your parents basement and get a real job and the occasional date with the local fat women...you know, the only ones you're capable of getting. Ask kkkhale667 how it's done...he's the expert on dating fat women. :biggrin:

GAR
06-11-2010, 02:42 AM
Fucking hell when Kaufman comes out against the actions of Israel you really know that it is a rogue facist racist out of control criminal terrorist state.

God bless 'em! Makes me feel like emmigrating..

I loved Blaze's video of the idiots onboard selfrighteously challenging a navy with their stupid vessel.

I would have torpedoed it and saved all their constant bitching to the press without batting an eye.

GAR
06-11-2010, 02:44 AM
Gaza Is About Butter, not Guns
Israel’s prime minister, Bibi Netanyahu, says the Gaza blockade is about preventing weapons-smuggling. Here’s why it’s not.
by Dan EphronJune 07, 2010
Uriel Sinai / Getty Images

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http://www.newsweek.com/2010/06/07/gaza-is-about-butter-not-guns.html

What do you really mean to say, Nick?

Blaze
06-13-2010, 01:02 PM
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Dr. Love
06-13-2010, 01:18 PM
Demon Cunt was a girl?

LoungeMachine
06-13-2010, 02:02 PM
Demon Cunt was a girl?

no.

:gulp:

Dan
06-13-2010, 02:45 PM
That was very mean, Brian. Don't make me bring back Demon Cunt to own your ass daily and make you cry like the 'tard bitch you are...

So You Are Demon Cunt.

Dr. Love
06-13-2010, 02:49 PM
no.

:gulp:

I didn't think so...

Nickdfresh
06-13-2010, 04:24 PM
You'd be a better, more informed person if you'd quit sitting around in your tighty whities in your parents basement and get a real job and the occasional date with the local fat women......

Is your wife/sister available?

Nickdfresh
06-13-2010, 04:26 PM
God bless 'em! Makes me feel like emmigrating..

....

Maybe you could go to Mexico and steal a Mexican's job in retaliation?

Jagermeister
06-13-2010, 04:28 PM
Iwant an honest show of hands.

Who Doesn't think this thread would more fun if it had a few racial slurs in it?

Jagermeister
06-13-2010, 04:29 PM
I'll add jhale right now


1. jhale. :)

Nitro Express
06-13-2010, 05:24 PM
Any rogue state that illegally attacks ships in international waters and then the US President condones the attack and helps cover it up is not the average US citizen's friend. The Zionists would kill an average American the same way they would kill an average Islamic terrorist. The concept of Israel is fucked and the world is getting tired of it. Just because Jews were mistreated in Europe gives them no right to get away with doing the same thing to others in this day and age. The way they are going the Star of David is going to become the new swastika.

Nitro Express
06-13-2010, 05:31 PM
Fucking hell when Kaufman comes out against the actions of Israel you really know that it is a rogue facist racist out of control criminal terrorist state.

That the US has given billions of dollars to for years and they thank us by attacking and killing our citizens. If I was president Israel wouldn't get a dime. I would cut their money and military aid off.

Nitro Express
06-13-2010, 06:05 PM
The decent Israelis are admitting their government has gone nuts.

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Seshmeister
06-13-2010, 06:57 PM
The Zionists would kill an average American the same way they would kill an average Islamic terrorist.

Also who knows if these people always are terrorists even by the Israeli definition.

Just because Mossad decide to murder someone doesn't mean that they always get their intel correct.