Who are the new guitar gods?

[jhale667]

So maybe it's the death of Ronnie James Dio, I don't know, but was thinking about the fact that for the most part, our guitar heroes are getting old (like their fans). So, who are the guys who are going to accept the challenge, get handed the torch, whatever?

I'm talking people under say...35. Which I'm pretty sure rules out someone like Guthrie Govan, who I think is among the best of the new crop..

Alexi Laiho? Good, but not necessarily stunning, or breaking new ground. Dragonfarce? Uh, no.


So who? Anyone? Bueller?

[GO-SPURS-GO]

That’s a tough question, my man. In my opinion, there are no great new bands out there, so by thinking like that I don’t see a guitar player around who plays like a God. I don’t see a Hendrix, Rhoads, EVH, SRV or Vai in the making. Zakk is the only player that comes to mind, maybe as a Demigod? I know you’re not too big on him.

[jhale667]

That’s a tough question, my man. In my opinion, there are no great new bands out there, so by thinking like that I don’t see a guitar player around who plays like a God. I don’t see a Hendrix, Rhoads, EVH, SRV or Vai in the making. Zakk is the only player that comes to mind, maybe as a Demigod? I know you’re not too big on him.

Zakk's cool, but he's 43. And more people I dig are also DQ'd in this scenario: Jerry Cantrell, Dean Deleo...and even if they weren't, they're still all writers of HUGE riffs (still more important, btw) but neither really breath-taking soloists.


Agree about great new bands. Not much out there. But who will end the long cycle of shoe-gazing, pouty 1-finger playing downtuned Emo kids? The 20-somethings I work with suggest bands like Wolfmother (not really) and another girl I know suggested My Chemical Romance, and while they're OK...liked the 1st record better than the second. And there's no real shreddery :hee: goin' on there?


Guthrie Govan's 39...missed it by this much...


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Seems they've taken the video of him doing Steve Vai's epic EEAS "Big Trouble" solo down, so let's instead substitute this dude and hope he's within the demographic we're talkin' about here. ;)

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[binnie]

The idea that there are no 'great' new bands out there is, frankly, laughable. Is there great music that sounds like bands did in the 1970s and 1980s? No - but if bands engaged in shameless emulation, how would they ever be great? There are bands out there pushing the boundaries of heavy music, and I would argue that prog is having a revival.

I think we need to think about the term 'guitar God' - what do we mean? If we're looking for the plank-spanking solos of yore, then maybe there aren't any guys doing that. Not because they can't, but because music has moved on, and the music they use their talents to make has moved on too. So, if you're looking for today's guitar Gods, you have to broaden what you mean.

I'll give you an example: Dimebag Darrell could play everything and anything that Eddie, Randy, Michael Schenker or any other guitar legend could play, but he did something else with his sound too. These days, I would argue that the guitar's role in heavy music has become divorced from the 80s a move further - its role in the music is subtler, less 'hey Mom, watch this' but rather something adding tones and textures underneath.

That's the non guitar player pont of view, anyway. I'll post some names after I've had a think about this.....

[ELVIS]

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:killer:

[Panamark]

ORIANTHI !!!!

Aussie chick in her 20's,

With Steve VAI, is this the passing of the torch routine at the crossroads ??:biggrin:

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[indeedido]

As good as Orianthi is, I don't see longevity outside the pop world. Don't get me wrong, she is a fantastic player (and easy on the eyes) but I"m not sure of the longevity there. Remember Jennifer Battan?

There really are no more guitar Gods, those days are over and still laying dormant. Still too many detune players and seven string players playing power chords. A Guitar God is the master of their instrument and let's face it, a real shredder. Something these new bands aren't. Granted that style ended after the '70s and 80's but that is where the term came from. There's no talk of "who's the best grunge band" for a reason, the genre is dead.

Guitar driven music is on the cusp of a come back as a new generation becomes exposed to the music of yesteryear. I just don't know when it will be back.

[78/84 guy]

The guys from Black Stone Cherry & Shinedown are great songwriters and player's !!! Avenged has good stuff in it. It's almost over !!! Long live rock. Is rock dead ?? It's close.

[Hardrock69]

Indeedido said it right.

The reason that the Guitar Gods are 'gods' is because they blew everyone's mind by doing something nobody else had ever done before.
Malmsteen is a guitar god.

But I feel he is one of the last ones to come along that is still alive. Stevie Ray Vaughan is a guitar god, but of course he is no longer with us.

There are so many millions of shredders out there now, mostly unoriginal.

I think once the original Guitar Gods die off, and then the ones from the 80s (Eric Johnson, Steve Vai, Joe Satriani, Yngwie), that will be it. They will be relegated to myth and legend (much like Jimi Hendrix).

[jhale667]

As good as Orianthi is, I don't see longevity outside the pop world. Don't get me wrong, she is a fantastic player (and easy on the eyes) but I"m not sure of the longevity there. Remember Jennifer Battan?

There really are no more guitar Gods, those days are over and still laying dormant. Still too many detune players and seven string players playing power chords. A Guitar God is the master of their instrument and let's face it, a real shredder. Something these new bands aren't. Granted that style ended after the '70s and 80's but that is where the term came from. There's no talk of "who's the best grunge band" for a reason, the genre is dead.

Guitar driven music is on the cusp of a come back as a new generation becomes exposed to the music of yesteryear. I just don't know when it will be back.


Excellent post, and kind of what I'm getting at. True Avenged and Stone Sour have cool riffs and songs, and to Binnie's point(s), not suggesting there are NO great bands out there, just kind of slim pickings...and not soloing in a "Hey mom, look at me" kind of way, but in a "WTF did he (she, whatevs) just DO?" sense...Oranthi is indeed cute, but agree they'll try to market her as a pop-tart, even if she's got a "Passion and Warfare" type work in her.

Keep the suggestions coming... :cool:


:guitar:

[chefcraig]

I'm not sure if this Zack Kim (http://www.youtube.com/user/ZackKim) fellow is a future guitar god, a guy exploiting a gimmick or an outright freak of nature. Notice how he plays two separate melodies at the same time here. I pretty much get my fingers stuck in the strings attempting to play one of them. :duh:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFqTd-CEjHM


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ea0j2t_OrJM

[jhale667]

That's crazy, and I've seen that guy too, but does he have a band? Amazing display of ambidexterity, that's for sure. :baaa:

[chefcraig]

If you think about it, all he needs to do is team up with Stanley Jordan and Bobby McFerrin and the three of 'em could be an freakin' orchestra. :confused13:

[jhale667]

If you think about it, all he needs to do is team up with Stanley Jordan and Bobby McFerrin and the three of 'em could be an freakin' orchestra. :confused13:

Possibly, thought there might be a "clash of styles". And to really do that concept right, they'd need a drummer with four arms. ;)

[chefcraig]

I figured McFerrin could handle the percussion, as well as the bass parts. :biggrin:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WT7q_P9jk5w&feature=related

[GAR]

I'll give you an example: Dimebag Darrell could play everything and anything that Eddie, Randy, Michael Schenker or any other guitar legend could play, but he did something else with his sound too.

This statement could not me more true if you add "terribly done" after the phrase "..or any other legend could play."

Dimebag was sloppy, his stage presence was that of a sloppy bum, and his his band were all slobs.

If Dimebag Darrel were to debut such a style today, we'd all be laughing at him.

[GAR]

Possibly, thought there might be a "clash of styles". And to really do that concept right, they'd need a drummer with four arms. ;)

Stylings have little to do with rock music: either it's good or it isn't.

According to my rules, if it's accessible (meaning, one doesn't require a dictionary for lyrical interpretation), has a good beat, decent melodies and the vocals have some kind of understandable clarity, THEN you can look at the guitar player for direction.

I could name 3 great guitar players you could view Youtube samples of, but they don't have such a vehicle to demonstrate your command of the instrument, it's really difficult your efforts seen.

Also, I remember hearing about some kid who went by Larry from Norway sending this speed-metal demo tape that went around, all the guys in school copying and floating around with the "Ozzy w/Randy, Chelmsford UK 1980" tape around 1982-83 that, until we heard from him again in Steeler Alcatrazz as Yngwie.

The next big thing's got to have a band-vehicle to get his stuff out thru, otherwise he'll languish for years like Malmsteen did.

[Jagermeister]

ORIANTHI !!!!

Aussie chick in her 20's,

With Steve VAI, is this the passing of the torch routine at the crossroads ??:biggrin:

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Damn she is hot!


I don't think she is some great guitar player though really.l

[Jagermeister]

jhale can back me up on this. Any younger kid with dicipline a good teacher and a snipit of talent can master the mucical part of the guitar in a few years. WHat was it eddy said ? There are only 7 notes how you use them is up to you.

I have not heard any great new guitar players but I have not really looked either. I'm not sure what I would look for as far as style. I always thought classical guitar players were the shit as far as really knowing how to play the instument and all it's notes.. That's what RR wanted to do to take his playing in another direction.

[Hardrock69]

Leave it to Garfuckle to make an ass out of himself yet again.

Let's see YOU play on a level Dime could play at.

Can't do it.

So STFU.

[lesfunk]

Damn she is hot!


I don't think she is some great guitar player though really.l
I would qualify that by stating that she is a really great guitar player for a girl.

[Jagermeister]

Well I think any guitar player better than me is awesome. Just sayin.

I wish I coukd lay some shit down and sound all smart about it.

"Well that was an f major arppegio with an added 5th"

I dont know what the fuck that means but I can play it. I think?

Fuck you in advance jhale!

[Jagermeister]

I would qualify that by stating that she is a really great guitar player for a girl.

Yeah I couldn't get past her her face. My bad.

[Jagermeister]

I found some chic on utube awhile back that was really good. She had several video lessons on arrpegios. I'll look it up on Monday.

Im being like 99% of the mods today.

LAZY and unproductive.

[VAiN]

If Dimebag Darrel were to debut such a style today, we'd all be laughing at him.

Wrong

[GAR]

Talent used to be said to last 2 weeks in Hollywood.

I'd shorten that these days to 2 hours = in other words: if it's any good, and with the inertnet running, you will know about it immediately!

And about RR going "in another direction" uh, I don't think that would ever happen. Either Sharon Arden would have him snuffed, or..

Oh. That already happened - nevermind..

[jhale667]

jhale can back me up on this. Any younger kid with dicipline a good teacher and a snipit of talent can master the mucical part of the guitar in a few years. WHat was it eddy said ? There are only 7 notes how you use them is up to you.

I have not heard any great new guitar players but I have not really looked either. I'm not sure what I would look for as far as style. I always thought classical guitar players were the shit as far as really knowing how to play the instument and all it's notes.. That's what RR wanted to do to take his playing in another direction.


Wow, I actually can back you up there :eek: Only pretty sure it was Zappa who said "There's only 12 notes in the Western Scale - it's all been done before." Maybe Ed was paraphrasing him. But yes, anyone can learn the mechanics of it, it's what you do after with what you've learned...

[jhale667]

And for the record, I disagree about Dime also.

[jhale667]

Fuck you in advance jhale!

:rolleyes: Right back at ya, I guess...

[VanHalenFan5150]

New gods? Mark Morton of Lamb Of God, Lee McKinney of Born Of Osiris....

Dime's incredible but he's dead...

Hmm... Anyone?

[jhale667]

New gods? Mark Morton of Lamb Of God, Lee McKinney of Born Of Osiris....

Dime's incredible but he's dead...

Hmm... Anyone?


Even if Dime were alive, he'd be the same age as Zakk, and DQ'd from the "new" survey... ;) Lamb of God is killer, much like MCR's singer going too Emo at times, their guy goes too Cookie Monster. They do write some absolutely KILLER riffs :killer: , And Morton is no slouch...is he under 35 and thus in the running? :cool:

[Nitro Express]

Lot's of inspiring players in the 80's. Very few in the 90's. The 00's was not just a lousy decade for everything, it sucked as far as new guitar talent goes as well. Either the industry is not signing these guys or there just isn't anything unique out there.

For me it's song writing and telling a story. I just don't want fast shredding or another homogenious blues player. I want someone to put their own personality into it and tell us a story. Eddie Van Halen could do it. Hendrix could do it. Billy Gibbons does it.

It's like a pretty girl vs an amazing pop your cock in your pants girl. You just can't describe it in words but when it's there, Boing!

[TRod]

Hi y'all, just wanted to say while I agree mostly there are alot fewer "guitar gods" - I'd like to nominate my current top inspiration Omar Rodríguez-López of Mars Volta. Maybe not the most technically amazing but he can shred and does it all with alot of soul and creativity.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcWa5R6a-_Q

[Golden AWe]

I vote for a finnish guy...Alexi Laiho from Children of Bodom...say what you want about metal like this in general, but they have humour within...I like the solo here (around 2:30), it fits the song well...

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Here's another gem...something I'd imagine RANDY RHOADS would've written for Ozzy...as a matter of fact, I'd like to hear Ozzy sing this...grate band if you don't take'em too seriously!

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The solo is at 3:15 but I dig the whole tune...

[binnie]

This statement could not me more true if you add "terribly done" after the phrase "..or any other legend could play."

Dimebag was sloppy, his stage presence was that of a sloppy bum, and his his band were all slobs.

If Dimebag Darrel were to debut such a style today, we'd all be laughing at him.

Pantera changed metal - every metal band since has pretty much been ripping them off. How anyone can think that the playing on the 'Cowboys From Hell' album is 'sloppy' is beyond me.....

[binnie]

As for modern guitar players doing interesting things, check out Matt Belamy in Muse.

And does a 'Guitar God' really have to be a shredder? Angus Young is a guitar god to me, but he doesn't do anything that complex.

[binnie]

Muse - Supermassive Blackhole

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Muse - Plug In Baby

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Muse - New Born

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Muse - New Born

[indeedido]

As for modern guitar players doing interesting things, check out Matt Belamy in Muse.

And does a 'Guitar God' really have to be a shredder? Angus Young is a guitar god to me, but he doesn't do anything that complex.

Probably different requirements dependent on the decade. Page is a Guitar God. Angus is a Guitar God. But so is Vai, Malmsteen, etc. All have one thing in common though, they write massive riffs and killer solos. Not just three power chords and done.

[GAR]

Steve Vai is an almost-God.. I wouldn't pay to see him, and he's not entertaining enough to take a female on a date so forget that!

Vai's load of licks is the boring ..

[GAR]

Pantera changed metal - every metal band since has pretty much been ripping them off. How anyone can think that the playing on the 'Cowboys From Hell' album is 'sloppy' is beyond me.....

I could say that, where percussion is less than precision riffing, then yes "CFH" is a pretty awful example.

If Dimebag would have stuck with the bass, he'd still be alive woudln't he..

[VanHalenFan5150]

As for modern guitar players doing interesting things, check out Matt Belamy in Muse.

And does a 'Guitar God' really have to be a shredder? Angus Young is a guitar god to me, but he doesn't do anything that complex.

Muse is really good.

[Matt White]

JOHN 5 is way up there as far as "new" guys go....


Jeff Loomis.....

Mattias IA Eklundh.....SCARY good

[Diamondjimi]

I can't think of any new shredders on the scene today that will set the guitar world on it's ear.

But I can't wait for the day when one does. It's been a long fuckin time....

[jhale667]

As for modern guitar players doing interesting things, check out Matt Belamy in Muse.

Yeah, I do like that Muse guy's playing (and the band), thanks for mentioning him. He's sometimes kind of got a quasi-Edge of U2 vibe they way he uses effects. :baaa:



And does a 'Guitar God' really have to be a shredder? Angus Young is a guitar god to me, but he doesn't do anything that complex.


Shred is not necessarily required, but definitely appreciated. ;)

[Diamondjimi]

Shred is not necessarily required, but definitely appreciated. ;)

Agreed... ;)

[jhale667]

JOHN 5 is way up there as far as "new" guys go....


Jeff Loomis.....

Mattias IA Eklundh.....SCARY good

Eklundh is indeed crazy good, not sure how old he is... I know Jeff Loomis auditioned for Megadeth after Marty Friedman left, IIRC (?) and was told he was "too young" at the time, so he might qualify...:cool:

[GAR]

... sometimes kind of got a quasi-Edge of U2 vibe they way he uses effects.

Spoken like someone who can truly appreciate butt-ramming edgy dance music, that happens to employ a pedal-monkey guitar player.

NOT God-like.

[GAR]

JOHN 5 is way up there as far as "new" guys go....

Gimme a break. This guy got notice with 2WO as Rob Halford's S and M guitar player: he sucked! AND it didn't sell, proving it sucked.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2wo

Band History

Halford and guitarist John Lowery aka John 5 formed the group in 1997 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1997), and were signed to Trent Reznor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trent_Reznor)'s Nothing Records (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nothing_Records) label. Reznor produced their sole output, Voyeurs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voyeurs_%28album%29), which sold poorly. Halford disbanded the group two years later. Halford has recently expressed interest in releasing the early demos from Voyeurs, which he has described as "tougher and edgier" compared to the final album.<sup id="cite_ref-0" class="reference">[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2wo#cite_note-0)</sup>
[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2wo&action=edit&section=2)] Discography



Voyeurs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voyeurs_%28album%29) (1998 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1998))

[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2wo&action=edit&section=3)] Videography

Halford hired porn director Chi Chi Larue (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chi_Chi_Larue) to direct the video for the first single I Am a Pig. <sup id="cite_ref-1" class="reference">[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2wo#cite_note-1)</sup> This video featured grainy S&M scenes of the band and various porn stars, including a few brief glimpses of Janine Lindemulder (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janine_Lindemulder), in a sex dungeon. It also incorporates some of the album's artwork into the concept. It was not widely shown for its content, but was not banned.

[Diamondjimi]

Coming from someone who couldn't even play the riff to Enter Sandman without arsing it up, your opinion of anything is cuntpletely irrelevant... :Loser:

[GAR]

Know what? I don't even know how that fucking crap goes!

Slag on all you want - I'm cuntpletely ignorant of Metallica and glad of it.

I never owned one album. They were always the Iron Maiden coverband from Norwalk, just down Rosemead Blvd from me.. I am not a fan.

[jhale667]

Keep your ass-ramming fantasies to yourself, dude. Chicks dig Muse too, but like you'd know - Lefty probably has Molly Hatchet on infinite repeat...:Loser:

[Panamark]

On the record, I think Orianthi is beautiful eye candy and does play her solo's
in an 80's vein. She is no Dimebag...
But for a young chick in her 20's I think she is awesome. I didn't see a thread for "goddesses"
so I whacked her in here, then whacked off after watching her unreleased masturbation
video that us Aussies can only get :biggrin:

[Hardrock69]

If YOU had never played guitar, perhaps your comments might mean something.

Oh, wait......you do not play guitar, and your comments will never mean anything anyway.


LOSER.

[VanHalenFan5150]

On the record, I think Orianthi is beautiful eye candy and does play her solo's
in an 80's vein. She is no Dimebag...
But for a young chick in her 20's I think she is awesome. I didn't see a thread for "goddesses"
so I whacked her in here, then whacked off after watching her unreleased masturbation
video that us Aussies can only get :biggrin:

What!? :O

[Hardrock69]

I could say that, where percussion is less than precision riffing, then yes "CFH" is a pretty awful example.

If Dimebag would have stuck with the bass, he'd still be alive woudln't he..

Below comment directed towards Garfuckle.



If YOU had never played guitar, perhaps your comments might mean something.

Oh, wait......you do not play guitar, and your comments will never mean anything anyway.


LOSER.

[binnie]

Know what? I don't even know how that fucking crap goes!

Slag on all you want - I'm cuntpletely ignorant of Metallica and glad of it.

I never owned one album. They were always the Iron Maiden coverband from Norwalk, just down Rosemead Blvd from me.. I am not a fan.

And yet your ignorance of Metallica didn't prevent you from espousing stern opinions on that band, their music, and bass players in the Rob Truijilo thread.....

Sad But True.

[Hardrock69]

"Holier Than Thou"? :biggrin:

[binnie]

Not too sure if this guy is under 35 - in fact I'm almost positive that he isn't. However, Adam Jones from Tool fits 'guitar God' for me. Not a shredder, but has a completely unique stlye, writes monster riffs and uses wacky time signatures to accentaute his music.

[jhale667]

Not too sure if this guy is under 35 - in fact I'm almost positive that he isn't. However, Adam Jones from Tool fits 'guitar God' for me. Not a shredder, but has a completely unique stlye, writes monster riffs and uses wacky time signatures to accentaute his music.

Adam Jones definitely qualifies as a "guitar god" - LOVES Tool - but they've been around since what, '90? So kind of out of the running as far as "new".

[binnie]

Yup, I know - it's amazing how a lot of bands I consider as 'new' have suddenly got five records. God I hate getting older.

Another guy I was thinking of whose stlye struck me when he first hit the scene in the late '90s was Daron Malakian. Again, not a shredder by any means but he had, like Dimebag, a huge metal tone, wrote big riffs and just brought it. Plus, all of the Easter European influences in the melodies of that band made for something unique, a voice that was theirs and only theirs. Is he a God? Maybe not - for all of their success, I don't hear much of System Of A Down in modern bands. A bit like Faith No More before them, perhaps they were just too 'out there' to be assimilated.....

[jhale667]

Yup, I know - it's amazing how a lot of bands I consider as 'new' have suddenly got five records. God I hate getting older.


And just think, you're one of the KIDS among us..imagine how the rest of us feel...lol I mean, unlike some here, I'm not going to be getting AARP mags in the mail for a couple more decades :biggrin: but still..

As for Malakian - they're known as "System of a Clown" in LA... and seemingly not taken very seriously. He's an OK guitarist, might be just under 35 though...

[binnie]

Wow, I'm surprised they don't get more props - they could headline arenas here. To these ears, they were going something very, very different as a band. They reminded of Bad Brains in places, but mixed with really odd time signatures and Eastern European melodies. Perhaps the blatently left-wing stance grates on some.....

[Hardrock69]

Further proof that the term 'guitar god' does not actually require you to be a shredder, is Stevie Ray Vaughan.

I recently got a bootleg DVD of him at the CBS Records Convention in Honolulu in March of 1984 with Jeff Beck coming out to jam with him on some encores.

Talk about on fire! Stevie's performance was jaw-dropping, to say the least. Absolutely mind-blowing!

No shred in sight!

[jhale667]

Further proof that the term 'guitar god' does not actually require you to be a shredder, is Stevie Ray Vaughan.

I recently got a bootleg DVD of him at the CBS Records Convention in Honolulu in March of 1984 with Jeff Beck coming out to jam with him on some encores.

Talk about on fire! Stevie's performance was jaw-dropping, to say the least. Absolutely mind-blowing!

No shred in sight!

I don't know - wouldn't you consider someone with as ferocious an attack as SRV - I mean he beat the shit out of his guitar, and his vibrato was beyond authoritative...a blues "shredder" at least for lack of a better term?

[GreenBayLA]

Not a shredder but I love Jack White's tasty tone and riffs.

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Eighteenhundred87
5 months ago
Jack's general pedal set up include a NYC made Big Muff fuzz pedal, which is a huge part of his driven, gained up sound you hear here. He also uses a Digitech Whammy and I believe a Boss compression pedal and maybe a few various others.