Feds to challenge Arizona immigration law

[Jagermeister]

STORY HIGHLIGHTS
NEW: U.S. senators, representative from Arizona blast plan to sue
Justice Department to file suit against Arizona immigration law
Law requires police to question people suspected of being in U.S. illegally
Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer says federal government has failed to secure the border

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Arizona Immigration
Barack Obama
Jan Brewer
Washington (CNN) -- The Justice Department is expected to file a legal challenge Tuesday against Arizona's controversial immigration law, according to an administration official.

The law, which is scheduled to take effect at the end of July, requires immigrants to carry their alien registration documents at all times and requires police to question people if there's reason to suspect they're in the United States illegally. It also targets businesses that hire illegal immigrant laborers or knowingly transport them.

President Barack Obama said in a speech on July 1 that the measure has "fanned the flames of an already contentious debate." Among other things, it puts pressure on police officers to enforce rules that are "unenforceable" while making communities less safe -- in part, by making people more reluctant to report crimes, he said.

It also has "the potential of violating the rights of innocent American citizens and legal residents, making them subject to possible stops or questioning because of what they look like or how they sound."

Arizona's two senators, both Republicans, immediately called the reported Obama administration move "far too premature."

"Moreover, the American people must wonder whether the Obama administration is really committed to securing the border when it sues a state that is simply trying to protect its people by enforcing immigration law," Sens. Jon Kyl and John McCain said in a statement.

Democratic Rep. Ann Kirkpatrick called the threatened suit a "sideshow.

"A court battle between the federal government and Arizona will not move us closer to securing the border or fixing America's broken immigration system," she said in a statement.
Arizona's Republican governor, Jan Brewer, has accused the Obama administration of failing to secure the border with Mexico, thereby forcing her state to act on its own.

"Do your job. Secure the border," Brewer said of the president in a July 1 speech to a Republican group. She pledged to "defend this law against every assault, including attacks by the Obama administration."Obama renewed his push for comprehensive immigration reform last week, calling for bipartisan cooperation on an issue reflecting deep social and political divisions.

Seeking an elusive middle ground on the subject, the president highlighted the importance of immigrants to American history and progress while acknowledging the fear and frustration many feel with a system that he said seems "fundamentally broken."

He asserted that the majority of Americans are ready to embrace reform legislation that would help resolve the status of an estimated 11 million illegal immigrants.

In his July 1 speech, Obama warned that rounding up everyone in the country who has entered illegally would be both "logistically impossible" and "tear at the fabric of the nation." At the same time, the president indicated it would be wrong to offer blanket amnesty for people who came into the United States unlawfully.

Despite Obama's call for bipartisan immigration reform, several senior Democratic sources said Thursday that they see virtually no chance of Congress taking up such a measure before November's midterm elections.

A CNN/Opinion Research Corp. national poll conducted in late May indicated that public support for beefing up security along the U.S. border with Mexico had grown significantly. According to the survey, nearly nine out of 10 Americans want to increase U.S. law enforcement along the border with Mexico.

Eight in 10 questioned also supported a program that would allow illegal immigrants already in the United States to stay here and apply for legal residency, provided they had a job and paid back taxes.

But only 38 percent say that program should be a higher priority than border security and other get-tough proposals. Six in 10 said border security was the higher priority.

[Jagermeister]

A related story that I found interesting.
By Ed Barnes

Published July 06, 2010
| FoxNews.com


The cost of harboring illegal immigrants in the United States is a staggering $113 billion a year -- an average of $1,117 for every “native-headed” household in America -- according to a study conducted by the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR).

The study, a copy of which was provided to FoxNews.com, “is the first and most detailed look at the costs of illegal immigration ever done,” says Bob Dane, director of communications at FAIR, a conservative organization that seeks to end almost all immigration to the U.S.

FAIR's opponents in the bitter immigration debate describe the organization as "extremist," though it is regularly called upon to testify before Congress.

Groups that support immigration reform immediately attacked FAIR's report and pointed out that it is the polar opposite of the Perryman Report, a 2008 study that found illegal immigration was actually a boon to the American economy. It estimated that illegal immigrants add $245 billion in Gross Domestic Product to the economy and account for 2.8 million jobs.

The FAIR report comes as President Obama moves immigration reform to the top of his agenda, and it is likely to be a rallying point for those who oppose the president. At a speech Thursday at American University in Washington, D.C., Obama argued that the entire immigration system is broken and needs sweeping reforms. Among the changes he said are needed is "a path for [farm] workers to earn legal status," which the president's critics called an opening for a new amnesty program.

FAIR's report argues that there are two choices in the immigration debate: “One choice is pursuing a strategy that discourages future illegal migration and increasingly diminishes the current illegal alien population through denial of job opportunities and deportations. The other choice,” it says, “would repeat the unfortunate decision made in 1986 to adopt an amnesty that invited continued illegal migration.”

Click here to read FAIR's Executive Summary

The report states that an amnesty program wouldn’t appreciably increase tax revenue and would cost massive amounts in Social Security and public assistance expenses. An amnesty “would therefore be an accentuation of the already enormous fiscal burden,” the report concludes.

The single largest cost to the government of illegal immigration, according to the report, is an estimated $52 billion spent on schooling the children of illegals. “Nearly all those costs are absorbed by state and local governments,’ the report states.

Moreover, the study’s breakdown of costs on a state-by-state basis shows that in states with the largest number of illegals, the costs of illegal immigration are often greater than current, crippling budget deficits. In Texas, for example, the additional cost of immigration, $16.4 billion, is equal to the state’s current budget deficit; in California the additional cost of illegal immigration, $21.8 billion, is $8 billion more than the state’s current budget deficit of $13.8 billion; and in New York, the $6.8 billion deficit is roughly two-thirds the $9.5 billion yearly cost of its illegal population, according to Jack Martin, the researcher who completed the study.

Click here to see FAIR's state by state costs.

“The most important finding of the study is the enormous cost to state and local governments due to lack of enforcement of our immigration laws,” Martin wrote.

The report found that the federal government paid $28.6 billion in illegal related costs, and state and local governments paid $84.2 billion on an estimated 13 million undocumented residents. In his speech, Obama estimated that there are 11 million.

But FAIR's critics said the report wrongly included American-born children of undocumented workers in its study.

“The single biggest 'expense' it attributes to unauthorized immigrants is the education of their children, yet most of these children are native-born, U.S. citizens who will grow up to be taxpaying adults," said Walter Ewing, a senior researcher at the American Immigration Council. "It is disingenuous to count the cost of investing in the education of these children, so that they will earn higher incomes and pay more in taxes when they are adults, as if it were nothing more than a cost incurred by their parents."

He added that “the report fails to account for the purchasing power of unauthorized consumers, which supports U.S. businesses and U.S. jobs” and that it “ignores the value added to the U.S. economy by unauthorized workers, particularly in the service sector.”

Martin said FAIR expected that criticism, but that because the children are a direct result of illegal immigration, their inclusion was both fair and reasonable.

[Jesus H Christ]

Governor Jan Brewer's statement regarding federal lawsuit against Arizona

LINK...http://www.facebook.com/?ref=home#!/notes/governor-jan-brewer/governor-jan-brewers-statement-regarding-federal-lawsuit-against-arizona/413059698539
Today I was notified that the federal government has filed a lawsuit against the State of Arizona. It is wrong that our own federal government is suing the people of Arizona for helping to enforce federal immigration law. As a direct result of failed and inconsistent federal enforcement, Arizona is under attack from violent Mexican drug and immigrant smuggling cartels. Now, Arizona is under attack in federal court from President Obama and his Department of Justice. Today's filing is nothing more than a massive waste of taxpayer funds. These funds could be better used against the violent Mexican cartels than the people of Arizona.

The truth is the Arizona law is both reasonable and constitutional. It mirrors substantially what has been federal law in the United States for many decades. Arizona’s law is designed to complement, not supplant, enforcement of federal immigration laws. Despite the Department of Justice’s claims in paragraph 62 of today’s lawsuit, Arizona is not trying ‘to establish its own immigration policy’ or ‘directly regulate the immigration status of aliens.’ Arizona Revised Statutes § 11-1051(E) states that the federal government, along with local law enforcement officers authorized by the federal government, can only determine an alien’s immigration status. Subsection (L) of that same section goes on to state that the law ‘shall be implemented in a manner consistent with federal laws regulating immigration.

The irony is that President Obama’s Administration has chosen to sue Arizona for helping to enforce federal immigration law and not sue local governments that have adopted a patchwork of ‘sanctuary’ policies that directly violate federal law. These patchwork local ‘sanctuary’ policies instruct the police not to cooperate with federal immigration officials.

The best thing government can do is to create a stable, predictable environment, governed by an easily understood set of rules or laws. We do not need to make this more complicated than it already is. We must first and foremost create a secure border. Enhanced trade, economic opportunity and freedom will surely follow.

I am pleased that President Obama and the Department of Justice did not pursue the baseless claims of illegal racial profiling in the lawsuit. When signing S.B. 1070, I said, ‘My signature today represents my steadfast support for enforcing the law — both against illegal immigration AND against racial profiling.’ Arizona’s law expressly prohibits unconstitutional racial profiling. However, words are not enough. For this reason, I ordered the Arizona Peace Officer Standards and Training Board (AZPOST) to develop training on the new law for Arizona’s police officers. AZPOST has completed the training course and has published it for the all world to see at http://www.azpost.state.az.us/SB1070infocenter.htm . AZPOST has done its job professionally and served Arizona well.

I will not stop fighting to protect the citizens of Arizona, and to defend Arizonans in federal court. I have set up a legal defense fund to pay the substantial legal fees that Arizona has been, and will be, forced to incur as a result of all of these lawsuits. Contributions to the Border Security and Immigration Defense Fund can be made at http://www.keepazsafe.com/. My legal team will not hesitate to assert the rights of the State of Arizona in this matter. Arizona will ultimately prevail against the lawsuits – including this latest assault by the Obama Administration. Our laws will be found to be constitutional – because that is exactly what they are.

Governor Brewer's facebook page
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?v=wall&id=100000236533167#!/GovJanBrewer

[ULTRAMAN VH]

Homeland Security reports: The numbers don't lie.

* 83% of warrants for murder in Phoenix are for illegal aliens.

* 86% of warrants for murder in Albuquerque are for illegal aliens.

* 75% of those on the most wanted list in Los Angeles , Phoenix and Albuquerque are illegal aliens.

* 24.9% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals

* 40.1% of all inmates in Arizona detention centers are Mexican nationals

* 48.2% of all inmates in New Mexico detention centers are Mexican nationals

* 29% (630,000) convicted illegal alien felons fill our state and Federal prisons at a cost of $1.6 billion annually

* 53% plus of all investigated burglaries reported in California, New Mexico, Nevada, Arizona and Texas are perpetrated by illegal aliens.

* 50% plus of all gang members in Los Angeles are illegal aliens

* 71% plus of all apprehended cars stolen in 2005 in Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, Nevada and California were stolen by Illegal aliens or "transport coyotes".

* 47% of cited/stopped drivers in California have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 47%, 92% are illegal aliens.

* 63% of cited/stopped drivers in Arizona have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 63%, 97% are illegal aliens

* 66% of cited/stopped drivers in New Mexico have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 66% 98% are illegal aliens.

* 380,000 plus "anchor babies" were born in the US to illegal alien parents in just one year, making 380,000 babies automatically US citizens (which is UN-Constitutional; illegal).

* 97.2% of all costs incurred from those illegal births were paid by the American taxpayers. That is almost ALL of them !

[Nickdfresh]

Homeland Security reports: The numbers don't lie.
...!

Then why don't you actually fucking link them, chain spam?

[Blaze]

Then why don't you actually fucking link them, chain spam?

http://www.savage-productions.com/illegal_alien_contributions.html

[Hardrock69]

So the Fed is saying to AZ: YOU CANNOT ENFORCE IMMIGRATION LAWS. THAT IS OUR JOB. NEVER MIND THAT WE DO NOT ENFORCE IMMIGRATION LAWS. WE DO NOT ANYONE ELSE TO MAKE US LOOK LIKE WE ARE NOT DOING OUR JOB ENFORCING IMMIGRATION LAWS.


Stupid fuckers....like they need anyone ELSE to show the world they are NOT doing their fucking jobs.

What is the fucking deal?

Chimpy made all kinds of speeches saying "We must secure our borders" then did ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!

Obama is more of the same.

All these people that say the American Public should take control of our Federal Government are spot on. The politicians are not doing anything. We need to vote out ALL the fucking incumbents, and start with a fresh Congress who has not been told what they CANNOT do. Yeah I know. No experienced members of Congress at all? Kind of unrealistic.

But it is those same fuckers who have been entrenched in Congress for decades who are a serious part of the problem.

[bueno bob]

I have to agree. Filing a lawsuit against Arizona is not the right move. In fact, it's just dumb.

[Catfish]

People who are coming out against the Arizona law either:

1) are doing it for political gain (read: future minority votes) or

2) because they haven't read the god damn thing and don't understand it

[ELVIS]

I have to agree. Filing a lawsuit against Arizona is not the right move. In fact, it's just dumb.

Especially for Obama when he finds himself on the wrong side of this issue politically...

[Jagermeister]

Neal Boorts said something like.

" It's not racial profiling. To catch illegal Mexicans you have to look for Mexicans"
something like that.

Sounds logical.

[Jagermeister]

LOL. From Boortz FAQ page


People often call you a racist. Are you?

Hell, who doesn’t get called a racist from time to time? It’s the all-purpose weapon to be used against any person who doesn’t toe the leftist line on matters of race. Ninety-nine percent of the people who throw charges of racism around can’t even define the term. Simply put – racism is the belief in the inherent, genetic superiority of one race over another, and the corresponding belief in the right of the superior race to dominate the inferior one. People often get racism mixed up with bigotry or prejudice. We need to get our terminology straightened out. We obviously have racial problems that need solving. The first step in solving a problem is to identify it. If we keep miss-identifying bigotry and prejudice as racism we’ll never make any headway. By the way, I do freely admit to being a "culturalist." This, of course, drives the multicultural crowd absolutely nuts.

[Catfish]

Neal Boorts said something like.

" It's not racial profiling. To catch illegal Mexicans you have to look for Mexicans"
something like that.

Sounds logical.

All of this opposition is nonsense. In order for an Arizona police officer to even look into a Mexican person's stance, that person in question as to already be breaking a law.

SO DON'T BREAK ANY LAWS AND YOU WON'T BE BOTHERED!!!!

[Catfish]

Then why don't you actually fucking link them, chain spam?

So fucking typical.

[Jagermeister]

All of this opposition is nonsense. In order for an Arizona police officer to even look into a Mexican person's stance, that person in question as to already be breaking a law.

SO DON'T BREAK ANY LAWS AND YOU WON'T BE BOTHERED!!!!


How many do you think have car insurance? Required by law in most states. Just sayin....

[Hardrock69]

All of this opposition is nonsense. In order for an Arizona police officer to even look into a Mexican person's stance, that person in question as to already be breaking a law.

SO DON'T BREAK ANY LAWS AND YOU WON'T BE BOTHERED!!!!

THAT is true.

So what do these fucking idiots in the Justice Department think that is causing them to want to sue AZ? They do not have a leg to stand on!

[Nickdfresh]

All of this opposition is nonsense. In order for an Arizona police officer to even look into a Mexican person's stance, that person in question as to already be breaking a law.

SO DON'T BREAK ANY LAWS AND YOU WON'T BE BOTHERED!!!!


So fucking typical.

Actually, what's "typical" is your ignorance! Under AZ or Federal law, AZ cops had the right to check immigration status of anyone accused of a crime before this law came about. This law is nothing more than legalized racial profiling concealed under bullshit semantics and niceties...

And previous rulings have upheld the Fed gov'ts jurisdiction to control immigration law. They've been expanding the Border Patrol as much as they can and have put up as many barriers as feasible and economically viable. So, local police in AZ are now going to stop the tide with a fraction of the Feds budget? Oh, okay! Great planning!

Fucking please! And I love how it's now the Mexicans' fault they have massive drug cartels fucking up their country and overflowing into ours. Last time I checked, it's their coke being created by the demand of Americans snorting that shit into their septums. Blame the Mexicans cartels (and actually, the poor innocents caught in the crossfire) all you want, but:

American money is funding the violence, and guns purchased in the U.S. and hauled south of the border is massively increasing the lethality of the violence...

But people are simpletons, and think they can blame their way out of a crisis and act like tough guys. It ain't working, kids...

[lesfunk]

I don't see where racial profiling is always bad. I mean, If you see a man who looks Mexican selling oranges on the highway, It seems reasonable to assume that he may be an undocumented immigrant.

[Nickdfresh]

LOL. From Boortz FAQ page


People often call you a racist. Are you?

Hell, who doesn’t get called a racist from time to time? It’s the all-purpose weapon to be used against any person who doesn’t toe the leftist line on matters of race. Ninety-nine percent of the people who throw charges of racism around can’t even define the term. Simply put – racism is the belief in the inherent, genetic superiority of one race over another, and the corresponding belief in the right of the superior race to dominate the inferior one. People often get racism mixed up with bigotry or prejudice. We need to get our terminology straightened out. We obviously have racial problems that need solving. The first step in solving a problem is to identify it. If we keep miss-identifying bigotry and prejudice as racism we’ll never make any headway. By the way, I do freely admit to being a "culturalist." This, of course, drives the multicultural crowd absolutely nuts.

"Racism" is mostly about economic class, it's that fucking simple. The problem is that it is too inconvenient to acknowledge this, because then we'd have to admit too ourselves that there is a huge disparity of funding and lack of educational opportunities combined with massive social problems that no one really wants to examine.

And "culteralist?" As in what? White culture vs. black culture? Which fucking white culture and WHICH black culture?

[Nickdfresh]

I don't see where racial profiling is always bad. I mean, If you see a man who looks Mexican selling oranges on the highway, It seems reasonable to assume that he may be an undocumented immigrant.

Right. Well, the police are fucking with YOU. So who cares, right? Slippery fucking slopes...

Secondly, if an illegal immigrant/undocumented worker is selling fruit on the side of the road: WHO FUCKING CARES???!!! I'm more worried about spreading Mexican cartels targeting police and their families. It's not the simpleton, uneducated ones I'm worried about. It's the U.S. trained ex-Mexican Army special forces that fucking make me shutter...

In the end, these laws not only fail to counter that threat, they in fact help it along by having cops worry about fucking fruit vendors that might or might not be illegal...

http://blog.newsok.com/staticblog/files/2008/02/nocountryforoldmen2.jpg

[Blaze]

How many do you think have car insurance? Required by law in most states. Just sayin....
Well, let's say they are all dope dealers that's crossing the border and the dope peddlers got popped for a $360 a year cost and lost product, the trend is I'd kill ya.

Let's say they are all yard workers and domestics, and a $60 a month cost kept them less scrutable after paying and owing a a smuggler, if I had a car, I'd pay it. Or was the capo of a human smuggler and had field hands to manage, the car insurance would be on the easiest not to trip up on.

[lesfunk]

I think "class-ism" is the real problem today. I don't know very many people who are true "racists". Folks tend not to want "poor" people moving into their hood more than "colored" nowadays.
I personally don't want rich people moving into my area because my taxes always go up.
The way the Country is heading, Class-ism won't be a big issue because there will only be two classes; lower class and ruling class

[Nickdfresh]

You're beginning to sound like a "batshit crazy leftist." :)

[PETE'S BROTHER]

Actually, what's "typical" is your ignorance! Under AZ or Federal law, AZ cops had the right to check immigration status of anyone accused of a crime before this law came about. yet, not allowed to enforce the immigration laws This law is nothing more than legalized racial profiling concealed under bullshit semantics and niceties...your opinion

And previous rulings have upheld the Fed gov'ts jurisdiction to control immigration law. They've been expanding the Border Patrol as much as they canaz wanted thousands of national guard troops, and obama sent 9 or something and have put up as many barriers as feasible and economically viable. So, local police in AZ are now going to stop the tide with a fraction of the Feds budget? Oh, okay! Great planning!

Fucking please! And I love how it's now the Mexicans' fault they have massive drug cartels fucking up their country and overflowing into ours. Last time I checked, it's their coke being created by the demand of Americans snorting that shit into their septums. Blame the Mexicans cartels (and actually, the poor innocents caught in the crossfire) all you want, but:

American money is funding the violence, and guns purchased in the U.S. and hauled south of the border mostly by mexican cartels is massively increasing the lethality of the violence...

But people are simpletons, and think they can blame their way out of a crisis and act like tough guys. It ain't working, kids...it certainly hasn't been

i am tryin' to learn the disect and quote thing, sorry

[lesfunk]

Right. Well, the police are fucking with YOU. So who cares, right? Slippery fucking slopes...

Secondly, if an illegal immigrant/undocumented worker is selling fruit on the side of the road: WHO FUCKING CARES???!!! I'm more worried about spreading Mexican cartels targeting police and their families. It's not the simpleton, uneducated ones I'm worried about. It's the U.S. trained ex-Mexican Army special forces that fucking make me shutter...

In the end, these laws not only fail to counter that threat, they in fact help it along by having cops worry about fucking fruit vendors that might or might not be illegal...

http://blog.newsok.com/staticblog/files/2008/02/nocountryforoldmen2.jpg

The fruit seller was only an example. I'm not saying "throw him in the van and deport his ass" , I'm just saying it's not unreasonable to assume that he may more likely be illegal than a Blond surfer kid with a Van Halen T shirt selling fruit on the highway.

[lesfunk]

You're beginning to sound like a "batshit crazy leftist."
Oh I'm definitely Batshit crazy.

[Blaze]

The fruit seller was only an example. I'm not saying "throw him in the van and deport his ass" , I'm just saying it's not unreasonable to assume that he may more likely be illegal than a Blond surfer kid with a Van Halen T shirt selling fruit on the highway.

Anyone that works off grid can be suspect of some illegal activity and thus makes them an "illegal"

[Catfish]

I don't see where racial profiling is always bad. I mean, If you see a man who looks Mexican selling oranges on the highway, It seems reasonable to assume that he may be an undocumented immigrant.

Les is right.

And so is Jager by saying these undocumented Mexicans don't have car insurance.

And so am I by saying if they keep their fucking noses clean, our system will allow them to live illegally in this country for as long as they want.

But then you have pussies like Nickdefelch out there in fucking Buffalo, commenting way out from the cheap seats, having never seen a Mexican in his life, and whose only exposure to illegal immigration comes from faggy French Canadians who got lost visiting Niagara Falls.

[Nickdfresh]

Incidentally, I don't have a problem with racial profiling with certain restrictions with certain circumstances such as at airports. But racial profiling, in addition to possibly being an infringement on civil liberties, can also be akin to finding individual strands of hay in a haystack...

[Nickdfresh]

Les is right.

...
But then you have pussies like Nickdefelch out there in fucking Buffalo, commenting way out from the cheap seats, having never seen a Mexican in his life, and whose only exposure to illegal immigration comes from faggy French Canadians who got lost visiting Niagara Falls.

I lived in Northern Virginia for several years, Fabdouche. And I also used to live in an agricultural (farm hick) town where they regularly had Mexicans imported to do labor...so save your sermon for someone who gives a fuck and willing to give you a reacharound...

[PETE'S BROTHER]

[QUOTE=Nickdfresh;1471770]Incidentally, I don't have a problem with racial profiling with certain restrictions with certain circumstances such as at airports. But racial profiling, in addition to possibly being an infringement on civil liberties, can also be akin to finding individual strands of hay in a haystack...

why at airports?

[hambon4lif]

Incidentally, I don't have a problem with racial profiling with certain restrictions with certain circumstances such as at airports.There you go Nicky....rationalizing once again! It's what you end up doing in all of your arguments!

This is hardly a new issue....it's been going on throughout the entire Bush administration, and it's still going on right now.......how the fuck would you like to be put 'on hold' for over a decade?? I'm guessing none too much....

....and your answer is that they're doing all they can economically?? Dude, are you fucking serious?? That's a dick that you could suck and tell everyone what it tastes like, 'cause I don't want to know....really!

Obviously, the trouble has escalated....there are parts of Arizona that are eight-miles deep posting signs that imply that Americans are not safe to travel through there.....where does it end?

You can't give a good enough excuse as to why we should give cuts and slices of our country away....

I'll just kick back and enjoy your responses as to why we should, though........

[hambon4lif]

if an illegal immigrant/undocumented worker is selling fruit on the side of the road: WHO FUCKING CARES???!!! I'm more worried about spreading Mexican cartels targeting police and their families. It's not the simpleton, uneducated ones I'm worried about. It's the U.S. trained ex-Mexican Army special forces that fucking make me shutter...Well then, there we go, problem solved!

Since you are so much better at deducting who is or who isn't....we should just employ your Buffalo, NY ass to decipher who's who.

Oh, we can all sleep so much better now that Nicky D is on border patrol.

Thanks, Holmes!

[Nickdfresh]

[QUOTE=Nickdfresh;1471743]



why at airports?

Maybe something to do with 9/11...

[Nickdfresh]

There you go Nicky....rationalizing once again! It's what you end up doing in all of your arguments!

What was I "rationalizing?" There YOU go again, spouting off with pointless fucking drivel just to flame...


This is hardly a new issue....it's been going on throughout the entire Bush administration, and it's still going on right now.......how the fuck would you like to be put 'on hold' for over a decade?? I'm guessing none too much....

Really? Since the Bush Administration? Really supergenius? Actually, it's been going on for at least the better part of the last century, and I recall Reagan trying to solve things with an amnesty bill in the 1980s. It's been more noticed since at least the late 1970s though...


....and your answer is that they're doing all they can economically?? Dude, are you fucking serious?? That's a dick that you could suck and tell everyone what it tastes like, 'cause I don't want to know....really!

Dude, do you have Down's Syndrome? It's like talking with Steve Savicki or something...sucking a dick? Oh, okay, Handjob4men...


Obviously, the trouble has escalated....there are parts of Arizona that are eight-miles deep posting signs that imply that Americans are not safe to travel through there.....where does it end?

Because of the drug wars going on in Mexico, supergenius. Where do you think all that comes from? The coke you've snorted? Maybe jus' a little?


You can't give a good enough excuse as to why we should give cuts and slices of our country away....

I'll just kick back and enjoy your responses as to why we should, though........

What the fuck does this bill have to do with any of that? Why we should? Why don't you go jerk off your strawman?

[Nickdfresh]

By the way, nobody gave a flying fuck about this issue until the economy tanked under the Bush Admin...and possibly until the drug war crept up from South America to Central America...

[Nickdfresh]

Well then, there we go, problem solved!

Since you are so much better at deducting who is or who isn't....we should just employ your Buffalo, NY ass to decipher who's who.

Oh, we can all sleep so much better now that Nicky D is on border patrol.

Thanks, Holmes!

Okay jerkoff! I guess you have the solution of rounding up anybody with dark skin, regardless if they might or might not be American citizens protected by the U.S. Constitution against unlawful search and seizure...

I love it when self-described libertarians have the fascist little slugs in their brains come out...

[Blaze]

[QUOTE=PETE'S BROTHER;1471772]

Maybe something to do with 9/11...

http://www.realcourage.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/Stack-35A.jpg

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http://www.businessinsider.com/joseph-andrew-stacks-insane-manifesto-2010-2

[Blaze]

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[Nickdfresh]

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Are you fucking deranged?

I mean, "Friend of Stormfront?" I mean, really?

BTW, those fucking 9/11 "pilot" scumbag murder assholes WEREN'T "defending" their culture. They were cultish, fascist assholes that went to a strip club, drank alcohol, and violated many of the "prophet's" edicts while supposedly defending them and violating one of his central tenets of not killing innocent civilians...

What they were defending was a revisionist bag of horseshit fantasies that never really existed anyways...

[Blaze]

I did not know Stack was defending his culture.

[Hardrock69]

Here is the funky part.

Just say for laff's sake that they legalized all drugs.

The drug cartels would still be there. Coca only grows in that area of the world (Andes in Peru, Columbia, Bolivia, etc.). Therefore, the drug lords will still only pay a few pesos for a few hundred kilos of coca paste or something.

I bet the retail price of blow would go down a little, but it would be in the interest of the cartels to keep prices as high as possible, and they can do that by limiting supply.

Marjiuana would be a different story. Legalizing the cultivation of pot would mean anyone could do it.

I mean, how hard is it to grow a plant? You throw some seeds in the dirt where they can get some sun, water them every day, or hell, just let them sit out there for a week or 2. Marjiuana is a WEED, and will grow anywhere.

I think the main profit margins in a pot-legal society would be reaped by those who sell equipment for growing it. And, of course, seed banks.
I would imagine that agricultural supply sales have gone through the roof in California over the past few years, now that State authorities have other priorities than busting people for small amounts. If the referendum in the State elections passes this November, it will legalize marijuana period.

Could you imagine that the hardware for growing your own could become a status symbol, where you would go cruising in the car to Rodeo Drive, and waltz into the Gucci boutique and order a platinum-plated diamond-encrusted Hydro set up?

And going to Neiman-Marcus in Dallas on an afternoon in the Lear, just to attend a closed private auction of the latest of the Marquis-de-AssRamistan's private 1400's period collection of fine-art stone hookas from Islamabad.....or perhaps the latest Thai-Columbian cross-strain....G-69....

I think the market for pot would become completely de-centralized. It would be more difficult to market high-quality pot if EVERYONE had their own little grow-operation. So everyone will need fertilizer, pots, GRO-LIGHTS (there is a cash cow if there ever was one), etc. And home-and-garden stores will become wealthy from the added business.

Coke is sort of a closed operation. Small area. Controlled by whichever cartels. The demand is always going to be there to some degree. I think people have been so used to paying certain amounts for so long, and of course if the supply is limited, the price to the end user would pretty much stay the same.

Never was into blow. No chemicals. Man-made = bad. Just my opinion. Well, except for booze. :hee:

Sorry for veering slightly off-topic.

The Cartels being criminals, they can arm themselves with fully automatic assault rifles, or any other weaponry money can buy...and you know there are international arms dealers who have a vested interest in selling arms to them.

Ah well. The Fed seems to have a problem with securing our borders.

Why is this?

This is ONE SPECIFIC THING, that our country MUST do, yet the Feds are only making slow progress.

"Oh here, we will build a little piece of this wall, or we will add another 5 Border Patrol agents for the entire US/Mexico border......."

Gee...I am so impressed with your efforts, Mister Fed!

Not.

Let's see the Fed actually make better progress.

What if this legislation is not about actually doing anything new or not?

What if it was designed to embarass the Feds into getting off their asses and doing more?


Study after study...illegal aliens are costing us huge amounts of money.


I never agreed to give any of my fucking money to motherfuckers who are here in violation of the law.
If they wish to work hard to go through legal channels, with a visa, a work-permit, etc. and you want to settle here in the US and live here the rest of your days, they are entirely WELCOME to do so! :)

Our nation is founded on immigrants. Only natives are Native Americans. All the stupid fucking white people came from Europe, and in those times, there was nobody at the border asking for your passport.....

Perhaps America could make a deal with Mexico:

YOU pay us $500 BILLION DOLLARS and HALF YOUR OIL REVENUE YEARLY FOR 50 YEARS, and we will grant a resident work permit and temporary visa to every illegal alien ALREADY in the US who wants one. This mean, they have to be fingerprinted and photographed, then work for a legitimate company and pay their taxes and stay out of trouble for 5 years.

If they fuck up during that first 5 years, ship them to Mexico. PERIOD. END OF STORY.

Use the 500 billion dollars to finish a complete wall on the Mexican border.
And, people South of the border who want to live here, will be very much "persuaded" it is in their best interests to come into this country legally.

Lotsa theoretical and impossible bullshit in this thread. Just thinking through my keyboard for a moment.

Nuff said for this day. Serious problem. Needs fixing. However it gets done.

[hambon4lif]

Okay jerkoff! I guess you have the solution of rounding up anybody with dark skin, regardless if they might or might not be American citizens protected by the U.S. Constitution against unlawful search and seizure...

I love it when self-described libertarians have the fascist little slugs in their brains come out..."If we secure the border, then you all won't have a reason to vote for Comprehensive Immigration Reform"-Barack Obama

....now that came out of the mouth of your own GOD!

I'm not a Retardlican, and I'm not a Dumbasscrat either....I think it's a two-headed beast of the same creature that needs to be fucking destroyed and spare every American the goddamn WWE drama...it's all fake-ass bullshit, and they completely underestimate the intelligence of your average American.....it's enough already!

The way you motherfuckers roll.....is just non-stop comedy! It doesn't matter whether it's the oil spill to conveniently slip your cap-and-trade shit into, Immigration, or even Unemployment......there's always some extra shit slipped into the bill that has to be accepted as a package-deal, or not at all. A crisis is NOT an opportunity, fuckholes!!!
I hate the fucking Retardlicans, I really do, but I hate you motherfuckers just as much.......you Dumbasscrats are all greasier than a fuckin' bucket of chicken wings.


No one issue can be dealt with head-to-head....not even ones as important as Illegal Immigration....and you won't get a straight answer, let alone a solution, to it either. It's always some other administrations fucking fault.....when the truth of the matter is that the government just sat on the ball for far too long.
The state of Arizona got fed up waiting for an answer, and made a move on their own.....GOOD FOR THEM! And if you don't like it, then FUCK YOU....at least somebody made a move toward "change" instead of yakking out of their ass about it.

Like it was stated earlier in this thread......if you're not breaking the law, then what the fuck are you worried about?

[Dr. Love]

oh hai I'll just leave this here

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[hambon4lif]

oh hai I'll just leave this here

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....as I peruse this thread, I find the last post particurlarly interesting, not so much for its subliminal message, but moreso because I've eaten Macaroni-and-Cheese for the better part of a week.......I find this post much like I would a laxative....and so much easier to take a fucking shit. We may not return home.....but wherever my spirit takes me.....I'll be able to make that journey with empty bowels. Thank You, nonsensical and idiotic post!

[hambon4lif]

Whatcha gonna do now, Love? Break out your 20-sided-dice from your Dungeons And Dragons game to decide my fate?

.....fuckin' moron!!!

[Jagermeister]

Actually, what's "typical" is your ignorance! Under AZ or Federal law, AZ cops had the right to check immigration status of anyone accused of a crime before this law came about. This law is nothing more than legalized racial profiling concealed under bullshit semantics and niceties...
And previous rulings have upheld the Fed gov'ts jurisdiction to control immigration law. They've been expanding the Border Patrol as much as they can and have put up as many barriers as feasible and economically viable. So, local police in AZ are now going to stop the tide with a fraction of the Feds budget? Oh, okay! Great planning!

Fucking please! And I love how it's now the Mexicans' fault they have massive drug cartels fucking up their country and overflowing into ours. Last time I checked, it's their coke being created by the demand of Americans snorting that shit into their septums. Blame the Mexicans cartels (and actually, the poor innocents caught in the crossfire) all you want, but:

American money is funding the violence, and guns purchased in the U.S. and hauled south of the border is massively increasing the lethality of the violence...

But people are simpletons, and think they can blame their way out of a crisis and act like tough guys. It ain't working, kids...

I have no problem with that. If the goal is to find illegal Mexicans you have to look for Mexicans. I actually wish they would profile Muslims also.

[Dr. Love]

Whatcha gonna do now, Love? Break out your 20-sided-dice from your Dungeons And Dragons game to decide my fate?

.....fuckin' moron!!!

Hambon trying his hand at flaming? How cute. Must be amateur night at the RA.

[Jagermeister]

(CNN) -- The U.S. Department of Justice filed a lawsuit Tuesday seeking an injunction to stop Arizona's tough new immigration law from taking effect later this month.

The law, signed by Gov. Jan Brewer in April, requires police to question people about their status if they have been detained for another reason and if there's reason to suspect they're in the United States illegally. It also targets those who hire illegal immigrant laborers or knowingly transport them.

Here are five key questions about the lawsuit.

Q: What's the Obama administration's argument against the Arizona immigration law?

A: While most of the criticism of the law has been that it could encourage racial profiling, the administration's challenge is based on the so-called supremacy clause of the U.S. Constitution -- that when state and federal laws conflict, federal law is supreme.

In this case, the administration is saying that anything that relates to foreign policy or relations with other countries is strictly the province of the federal government and that Arizona's law interferes with a federal function.




"In our constitutional system, the power to regulate immigration is exclusively vested in the federal government," the Justice Department brief said. "The immigration framework set forth by Congress and administered by federal agencies reflects a careful and considered balance of national law enforcement, foreign relations, and humanitarian concerns -- concerns that belong to the nation as a whole, not a single state."


Q: What do proponents of the law say?

A: That the federal government isn't doing enough to secure the borders and tackle an issue they say is plaguing the state's economy and safety.

Brewer, a Republican, said that the Arizona law was designed "to complement, not supplant, enforcement of federal immigration laws,

She said it was "wrong" that the federal government is suing the people of Arizona for helping to enforce federal immigration law, adding: "Today's filing is nothing more than a massive waste of taxpayer funds. These funds could be better used against the violent Mexican cartels than the people of Arizona."

Arizona state Sen. Russell Pearce, a Republican who sponsored the state's law, blasted the lawsuit, telling CNN that the Obama administration has "no leg to stand on."

Q: What happens next?

A: A federal judge is likely to take up the issue as soon as next week, reports indicate.

CNN Senior Legal Analyst Jeffrey Toobin said the lawsuit is most likely headed up the appeals court chain.

"I think this will go to the district court in Arizona first, but it is likely to be appealed to the circuit court of appeals and very likely to the U.S. Supreme Court," he said.

Brewer said she would fight the government lawsuit with the help of a legal defense fund.

Q: What do Americans think about the law?

A: According to a CNN/Opinion Research Corp. poll conducted in May, 57 percent of the public favored the measure, with 37 percent opposed.
Since then, national polls by Quinnipiac University (51-31 percent in favor), ABC News/Washington Post (58-41 percent in favor) and Fox News/Opinion Dynamics (52-27 percent in favor) also indicate that a majority back the new law.

Most of the surveys also indicate that a vast majority want border security beefed up, and that most Americans also favor giving illegal immigrants now living in the U.S. the right to live here legally if they pay a fine and meet other requirements. When asked which issue is most important, a majority of voters say border security trumps immigration reform as the top priority for the federal government.

Q: What's the outlook for federal immigration reform legislation?

A: Several senior Democratic sources said last week they see virtually no chance of Congress taking up such a measure before November's midterm elections.

Still, the sources said it was politically crucial for the president to put pressure on Republicans and reassure angry Latino voters that Democrats haven't forgotten about this issue.

Immigration is not necessarily a make-it-or-break-it issue for the influential voting bloc. A Pew study released in 2008 indicated that Latinos placed immigration second to last on a list of seven policy priorities. The economy, education and health care were ranked as more important.

But in the months since Arizona passed its immigration law, more recent surveys have indicated that the issue has risen to the top for Latinos. A survey commissioned by the National Association of Latino Elected and Appointed Officials indicates that the immigration debate has made Latinos more likely to vote in November.

[Hardrock69]

This law was absolutely necessary. The Federal government is completely dragging their feet on this issue. The People Of The United States need to take action, if the Federal government refuses to do so.

As the Feds ARE refusing to do anything substantial, it could be said they are actively endangering national security.

This is not JUST the Mobama administration. The treasonous assholes of the Chimpy administration are just as guilty if not moreso. 9/11 happened on THEIR watch, Chimpy actually stated publicly that our borders need to be secured.....and what happened?

NOTHING!

In fact, so much nothing that American Citizens began going to the border to do what the Feds would not - ACTUALLY TRY TO STOP ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION.

[bueno bob]

This law was absolutely necessary. The Federal government is completely dragging their feet on this issue. The People Of The United States need to take action, if the Federal government refuses to do so.

As the Feds ARE refusing to do anything substantial, it could be said they are actively endangering national security.

This is not JUST the Mobama administration. The treasonous assholes of the Chimpy administration are just as guilty if not moreso. 9/11 happened on THEIR watch, Chimpy actually stated publicly that our borders need to be secured.....and what happened?

NOTHING!

In fact, so much nothing that American Citizens began going to the border to do what the Feds would not - ACTUALLY TRY TO STOP ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION.

The first thing that I actually start asking, whenever something doesn't get accomplished that should be accomplished, is - who has something to gain from it not happening?

[bueno bob]

Q: What do Americans think about the law?

A: According to a CNN/Opinion Research Corp. poll conducted in May, 57 percent of the public favored the measure, with 37 percent opposed.
Since then, national polls by Quinnipiac University (51-31 percent in favor), ABC News/Washington Post (58-41 percent in favor) and Fox News/Opinion Dynamics (52-27 percent in favor) also indicate that a majority back the new law.

Millions of teenagers think Twilight is cool, too. Doesn't necessarily mean they're right, though.

[Jagermeister]

Millions of teenagers think Twilight is cool, too. Doesn't necessarily mean they're right, though.

I'm sure they would have polled some Mecians if they could have found any that spoke fuckin english. :biggrin:

[PETE'S BROTHER]

Millions of teenagers think Twilight is cool, too. Doesn't necessarily mean they're right, though.

they simply don't agree with your point of view, not really "right" or "wrong".:baaa:

[Nickdfresh]

"If we secure the border, then you all won't have a reason to vote for Comprehensive Immigration Reform"-Barack Obama

....now that came out of the mouth of your own GOD!

I don't have a god, dummy...

And let's define "securing the border," because it can't be done without destroying the economy....


I'm not a Retardlican, and I'm not a Dumbasscrat either....I think it's a two-headed beast of the same creature that needs to be fucking destroyed and spare every American the goddamn WWE drama...it's all fake-ass bullshit, and they completely underestimate the intelligence of your average American.....it's enough already!

The way you motherfuckers roll.....is just non-stop comedy! It doesn't matter whether it's the oil spill to conveniently slip your cap-and-trade shit into, Immigration, or even Unemployment......there's always some extra shit slipped into the bill that has to be accepted as a package-deal, or not at all. A crisis is NOT an opportunity, fuckholes!!!
I hate the fucking Retardlicans, I really do, but I hate you motherfuckers just as much.......you Dumbasscrats are all greasier than a fuckin' bucket of chicken wings.


No one issue can be dealt with head-to-head....not even ones as important as Illegal Immigration....and you won't get a straight answer, let alone a solution, to it either. It's always some other administrations fucking fault.....when the truth of the matter is that the government just sat on the ball for far too long.
The state of Arizona got fed up waiting for an answer, and made a move on their own.....GOOD FOR THEM! And if you don't like it, then FUCK YOU....at least somebody made a move toward "change" instead of yakking out of their ass about it.

Like it was stated earlier in this thread......if you're not breaking the law, then what the fuck are you worried about?

You rabble rouser you! Okay, nice argument with the last sentence, Josef Goebbels couldn't have made a more persuasive argument...

[ELVIS]

I don't have a god, dummy...



That's what you might think...

Dummy...

[Nickdfresh]

That's what you might think...

Dummy...

If there is a God, I'm pretty sure he thinks you're an asshole, dummy...

[binnie]

Maybe God is into assholes and listens to the Scissor Sisters.....

[GAR]

I don't have a god, dummy..

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But you CAN! Yes, yes you can!

[sadaist]

Today I was carded at the gas station for smokes because "I appeared" under 30. So it's okay for some kid to require my ID because I appear a certain way but not okay for a police officer, in the process of a legal stop, to require someones ID?

[Igosplut]

Today I was carded at the gas station for smokes because "I appeared" under 30. So it's okay for some kid to require my ID because I appear a certain way but not okay for a police officer, in the process of a legal stop, to require someones ID?

I want to say in most states (MA for sure) that you are required by law to give your ID (or ID yourself) when asked by law enforcement. If you refuse, it's an arrestable offense....

[Seshmeister]

oh hai I'll just leave this here

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[Mushroom]

This administration is Pandering to their consituencies, and here's how I explain it... This Administration is suing Arizona for trying to do what the federal government can’t or won’t do in regards to illegal immigration. But it's inconsistent when you consider the Federal and State marijuana statutes. Federal law makes marijuana illegal. But CA, NV and others have state medical marijuana statutes. Other states decriminalized marijuana use, possession in small quantities.

So this administration is going to sue AZ over immigration laws but turn a blind eye to states ignoring federal law on marijuana? Sounds like Pandering to their consituencies, moreso than actually solving the issue.

[Nickdfresh]

This administration is Pandering to their consituencies, and here's how I explain it... This Administration is suing Arizona for trying to do what the federal government can’t or won’t do in regards to illegal immigration. But it's inconsistent when you consider the Federal and State marijuana statutes. Federal law makes marijuana illegal. But CA, NV and others have state medical marijuana statutes. Other states decriminalized marijuana use, possession in small quantities.

So this administration is going to sue AZ over immigration laws but turn a blind eye to states ignoring federal law on marijuana? Sounds like Pandering to their consituencies, moreso than actually solving the issue.

Since the inception of the U.S., it has been sole purview of the Federal gov't to enforce immigration law, not the locals. It was only under the Nixon Administration that enforcement of drug laws was largely federalized IIRC....

[thome]

I have a idea let's get 525,000 out of work Americans to line the important border crossing areas and equip them with baseball bats.

SWING AWAY BITCHES> Every Mexican that gets hit with the bat does not collect 200 $ and does not pass go.

But every Latino that can play ball gets a 5 mil$ contract to pitch for the Yankees.

[Hardrock69]

Pay a bounty for every illegal captured and shipped back. Say $1,000?

[Nickdfresh]

I have a idea let's get 525,000 out of work Americans to line the important border crossing areas and equip them with baseball bats.

SWING AWAY BITCHES> Every Mexican that gets hit with the bat does not collect 200 $ and does not pass go.

But every Latino that can play ball gets a 5 mil$ contract to pitch for the Yankees.
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[vh rides again]

Neal Boorts said something like.

" It's not racial profiling. To catch illegal Mexicans you have to look for Mexicans"
something like that.

Sounds logical.

i know, racial profiling is perfectly honest and needed. if 3 black men rob a bank are the police supposed to pull over white men in cars to not be profiling?

its fucking rediculous, makes no sense.

[vh rides again]

Pay a bounty for every illegal captured and shipped back. Say $1,000? a better way would be to put people who hire illegals in jail. no free medical care for illegals, and get rid of that rediculous law that says, if you were born here you are an american citizen. if your parents are not americans how the fuck can the baby be?.

[Mushroom]

Since the inception of the U.S., it has been sole purview of the Federal gov't to enforce immigration law, not the locals. It was only under the Nixon Administration that enforcement of drug laws was largely federalized IIRC....

what's the difference? federal law is the federal law. and what the hell is IIRC?

[chefcraig]

I have a idea let's get 525,000 out of work Americans to line the important border crossing areas and equip them with baseball bats.

OK, but just where are we going to get 525,000 baseball bats? http://www.easyfreesmileys.com/smileys/free-confused-smileys-718.gif (http://www.easyfreesmileys.com/Free-Sign-Smileys/)

[PETE'S BROTHER]

OK, but just where are we going to get 525,000 baseball bats? http://www.easyfreesmileys.com/smileys/free-confused-smileys-718.gif (http://www.easyfreesmileys.com/Free-Sign-Smileys/)

from 525,000 little leaguers

[jhale667]

what the hell is IIRC?


It's short for "If I Recall Correctly"... :rolleyes:

[chefcraig]

from 525,000 little leaguers

Oh, heavens NO!

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[chefcraig]

Judge blocks parts of Arizona immigration law

PHOENIX – A federal judge dealt a serious rebuke to Arizona's immigration law on Wednesday when she put most of the crackdown on hold just hours before it was to take effect.

The ruling by U.S. District Judge Susan Bolton sets up a lengthy legal battle as Arizona fights to enact the nation's toughest-in-the-nation immigration law. Republican Gov. Jan Brewer said the state likely appeal the ruling and seek to get the judge's order overturned.

But for now, opponents of the law have prevailed: The provisions that angered opponents will not take effect, including sections that required officers to check a person's immigration status while enforcing other laws.

The judge also delayed parts of the law that required immigrants to carry their papers at all times, and made it illegal for undocumented workers to solicit employment in public places — a move aimed at day laborers. In addition, the judge blocked officers from making warrantless arrests of suspected illegal immigrants.

"Requiring Arizona law enforcement officials and agencies to determine the immigration status of every person who is arrested burdens lawfully-present aliens because their liberty will be restricted while their status is checked," Bolton, a Clinton appointee, said in her decision.

She said the controversial sections should be put on hold until the courts resolve the issues. Other provisions of the law, many of them procedural and slight revisions to existing Arizona immigration statute, will go into effect at 12: 01 a.m. Thursday.

The law was signed by Brewer in April and immediately revived the national debate on immigration, making it a hot-button issue in the midterm elections. The law has inspired similar action elsewhere, prompted a boycott against Arizona and led an unknown number of illegal immigrants to leave the state.

Lawyers for the state contend the law was a constitutionally sound attempt by Arizona to assist federal immigration agents and lessen border woes such as the heavy costs for educating, jailing and providing health care for illegal immigrants. Arizona is the busiest gateway into the country for illegal immigrants, and the state's border with Mexico is awash in drugs and smugglers that authorities badly want to stop.

"It's a temporary bump in the road, we will move forward, and I'm sure that after consultation with our counsel we will appeal," Brewer told The Associated Press. "The bottom line is we've known all along that it is the responsibility of the feds and they haven't done their job so we were going to help them do that."

The ruling came just as police were making last-minute preparations to begin enforcement of the law and protesters were planning large demonstrations against the measure. At least one group planned to block access to federal offices, daring officers to ask them about their immigration status.

In a sign of the international interest in the law, about 100 protesters in Mexico City who had gathered in front of the U.S. Embassy broke into cheers when speakers told them about the federal judge's ruling. The demonstrators had been monitoring the news on a laptop computer on the stage.

The crowd clapped and started chanting, "Migrants, hang on, the people are rising up!"

Gisela and Eduardo Diaz went to the Mexican consulate in Phoenix on Wednesday seeking advice because they were worried about what would happen to their 3-year-old granddaughter if they were pulled over by police and taken to a detention center.

"I knew the judge would say that part of the law was just not right," said Diaz, a 50-year-old from Mexico City who came to Arizona on a since-expired tourist visa in 1989. "It's the part we were worried about. This is a big relief for us."

Opponents argued the law would lead to racial profiling, conflict with federal immigration law and distract local police from fighting more serious crimes. The U.S. Justice Department, civil rights groups and a Phoenix police officer had asked the judge for an injunction to prevent the law from being enforced.

"There is a substantial likelihood that officers will wrongfully arrest legal resident aliens under the new (law)," Bolton ruled. She added that a requirement of the law that police determine the immigration status of all people arrested will prompt legal immigrants to be "swept up by this requirement."

Federal authorities who are trying to overturn the law have argued that letting the Arizona law stand would create a patchwork of immigration laws nationwide that would needlessly complicate the foreign relations of the United States. Federal lawyers said the law is disrupting U.S. relations with Mexico and other countries and would burden the agency that responds to immigration-status inquiries.

Bolton noted that the expected increase in immigration checks from Arizona will divert federal resources away from other priorities and said the government has shown that it's likely to succeed on its claim that key parts of the Arizona law would be trumped by federal statute.

"Even though Arizona's interests may be consistent with those of the federal government, it is not in the public interest for Arizona to enforce pre-empted laws," Bolton wrote.

Brewer's lawyers said Arizona shouldn't have to suffer from America's broken immigration system when it has 15,000 police officers who can arrest illegal immigrants.

Brewer is running for another term in November and has seen her political fortunes rise because of the law's popularity among conservatives. It's not yet clear how the ruling will affect her campaign, but her opponent was quick to pounce.

"Jan Brewer played politics with immigration, and she lost," said Arizona Attorney General Terry Goddard, a Democrat. "It is time to look beyond election year grandstanding and begin to repair the damage to Arizona's image and economy."

Republican Rep. John Kavanagh, one of the law's top supporters, said he was disappointed by the ruling and that he expects it to ultimately end up being decided by the U.S. Supreme Court.

"I don't think the judge's statements in the hearings justify this ruling," Kavanagh said. "I don't think the law justified her injunction."

AP SOURCE (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_arizona_immigration)

[PETE'S BROTHER]

"There is a substantial likelihood that officers will wrongfully arrest legal resident aliens under the new (law)," Bolton ruled. She added that a requirement of the law that police determine the immigration status of all people arrested will prompt legal immigrants to be "swept up by this requirement."

bullshit, moronic, complete non-sensical statement.:pullinghair::mad::war:

[Jagermeister]

"There is a substantial likelihood that officers will wrongfully arrest legal resident aliens under the new (law)," Bolton ruled. She added that a requirement of the law that police determine the immigration status of all people arrested will prompt legal immigrants to be "swept up by this requirement."

bullshit, moronic, complete non-sensical statement.:pullinghair::mad::war:

Yeah. WTF?

[Hardrock69]

The judge has no clue.

IF the fucking immigrants are LEGAL immigrants, they will have documentation or green cards to PROVE IT. If a suspect shows their green card or LEGAL immigration papers to the police, they will not be arrested, unless they have committed a crime!

What a load of shit!

There is NO 'substantial likelihood' that anything like that will happen! What a fucking idiot! And this bitch is a FEDERAL JUDGE?

Someone kick her the fuck off her bench. She obviously has been drinking too much vodka while sitting on it.

[PETE'S BROTHER]

this racial profiling of inuit people is somehow ok for kia? check their papers!:patriot:

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[GAR]

Who now will bet against me that now more than ever, this Obama character doesn't take ANYTHING seriously and will most certainly become a one-term president?

[ULTRAMAN VH]

This Judge is a Clinton appointee, is anyone really surprised by her actions. For a brief moment, I thought I saw Eric Holder up in the rafters pulling her strings.

[GAR]

I'm assuming Arizona has to sue the Fed because it should be argued that it is a dereliction and illegal to not do anything about the illegal wetback invasion.

I've never seen such a thing, where the highest politician in the nation panders to citizens of another nation over his own's screaming interests.

Fucking union-organizing-pandering bastard Obama!

[PETE'S BROTHER]

I've never seen such a thing, where the highest politician in the nation panders to citizens of another nation over his own's screaming interests.

!

it is very sad.:(

[motherchicken]

The real truth is most of the people against this law don't want illegal aliens to get deported for one reason or another so they throw out this race profiling smoke screen.Some of them are about profit . Some are just bleeding hearts or are people more loyal to their bloodlines than they are
to their country.

[PETE'S BROTHER]

jesus christ!!!:mad:

WASHINGTON – The Obama administration, unable to push an immigration overhaul through Congress, is considering ways it could go around lawmakers to allow undocumented immigrants to stay in the United States, according to an agency memo.
The internal draft written by officials at U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services outlines ways that the government could provide "relief" to illegal immigrants — including delaying deportation for some, perhaps indefinitely, or granting green cards to others — in the absence of legislation revamping the system.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100730/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_immigration_skirting_congress

[PETE'S BROTHER]

"The problem remains that if you reward illegality, you get more of it."

[Hardrock69]

WHAT A LOAD OF FUCKING SHIT!

SEND THE MOTHERFUCKERS BACK TO MEXICO!!! :mad:

[kwame k]

Honestly, I can't blame someone coming to this country chasing the American Dream or trying to make a better life for themselves or their family.............

Having said that......the problem will never be solved until employers are held accountable for breaking the law, too.

[PETE'S BROTHER]

Honestly, I can't blame someone coming to this country chasing the American Dream or trying to make a better life for themselves or their family.............

Having said that......the problem will never be solved until employers are held accountable for breaking the law, too.

or a government turning a blind eye toward these happenings every day

[kwame k]

That's it in a nutshell..........till they fine the living shit out of the people employing them, nothing will change.

[GAR]

I honestly can't say McCain was going to do any better.

He was saying the same middle-of-the-road PC bullshit "path to Amnesty" as the rest of the spineless in Congress.

But wouldn't they jump off the fence quick, if a law was passed allowing a Wetback to run for Congressional seat? Oh you better believe it - just because their job will never be threatened by a non-citizen means they can get away with pandering to minorities.

If you're illegal, you're not even a minority - you're a non-US citizen and I don't get why there's so much press about the Plight of the Illegal. FUCK them, deportation is the answer!

[FORD]

McCain has 12 houses. You think he wants to hire union landscapers to take care of all that?

[GAR]

i know, racial profiling is perfectly honest and needed.

No it's not - profiling doesn't have to be racial in it's scope.

Many things give away the illegal:

- haircut: usually bowl-shaped Moe Howard type cut with no styling.
- clothes: usually filthy, usually about 15 bucks worth of Salvation Army seconds dipped in those ridiculous $350 Tony Lama ostrich boots and gay white-trimmed leather Vaquero belts. And a fucking Cowboy hat.

Who in this nation wears a cowboy hat anymore??

- car: usually a 30 year old beater Honda or Toyota, but could be a stolen Ford F150 with a switched Mexico-salvaged title VIN. With plywood sides so they can collect metal and cardboard from dumpster dives.

Anybody in the news mention LANGUAGE profiling?

- can't speak english: really harsh, fresh Spanish accent with a growly slur. My spanish teacher once told me "that's not proper Spanish, if you spoke like that in Madrid people would take you for being rude."

How about RADIO profiling?

- blaring that crappy Banda music, songs in Spanish, during normal working hours most people are working a job - these guys are out driving around blasting that shit thru 50watt x 4 channel car stereos regarless of the neighborhood

.. then another giveaway comes to mind: Cultural profiling?

- drive like shit / talk like shit to people / drink till they're shitfaced, buying tall cans of beer all day long / begging for beer money at the 7-11 all day long / beat on their women, and knocking the small kids around is OK by them

Nobody needs racial profiling, when there's so many other ways to suspect somebody's an opportunist trespasser in this country.

[GAR]

McCain has 12 houses. You think he wants to hire union landscapers to take care of all that?

That's not what I think about McCain: I think I'm glad he didn't get elected, and I'm unhappy the GOP couldn't find a better selection.

I also think he's full of SHIT when he goes on camera, with that timid-guy act "well, y'know we've got to talk about this, because the Feds really don't want to talk about this and the American People are tired of not talking about this - and we CANT talk about this till we talka bout first sealing up the borders, and even then we don't have much to talk about"

FUCK YOU that was Reagan's act, wasn't it? Quit stepping on Reagan's shadow, that was his sales pitch and it only works once in a generation... stupid old fucker

[Nickdfresh]

I'm assuming Arizona has to sue the Fed because it should be argued that it is a dereliction and illegal to not do anything about the illegal wetback invasion.

You mean the one that's been going on or decades that no one has ever given a shit about except for as a populist hot button issue in bad economic times?


I've never seen such a thing, where the highest politician in the nation panders to citizens of another nation over his own's screaming interests.

We've been doing it since the 1960s on behalf of Israel, except they were somewhat useful at one time during the Cold War. Now, not so much...


Fucking union-organizing-pandering bastard Obama!

The above quote shows what an intellectually feeble and incompetent jackoff you and your ilk are! The whole reason illegal immigrants come here is because U.S. companies can use them to drive down wages and circumvent basic worker protection laws. If they were all in unions earning a fair wage, there'd be no incentive to hire illegals. But keep laboring through life with your head up your ass at your obviously menial job you fear will be "stolen by wetbacks," loser...

[vh rides again]

Honestly, I can't blame someone coming to this country chasing the American Dream or trying to make a better life for themselves or their family.............

Having said that......the problem will never be solved until employers are held accountable for breaking the law, too.

EXACTLY, your a genious !

[vh rides again]

No it's not - profiling doesn't have to be racial in it's scope.

Many things give away the illegal:

- haircut: usually bowl-shaped Moe Howard type cut with no styling.
- clothes: usually filthy, usually about 15 bucks worth of Salvation Army seconds dipped in those ridiculous $350 Tony Lama ostrich boots and gay white-trimmed leather Vaquero belts. And a fucking Cowboy hat.

Who in this nation wears a cowboy hat anymore??

- car: usually a 30 year old beater Honda or Toyota, but could be a stolen Ford F150 with a switched Mexico-salvaged title VIN. With plywood sides so they can collect metal and cardboard from dumpster dives.

Anybody in the news mention LANGUAGE profiling?

- can't speak english: really harsh, fresh Spanish accent with a growly slur. My spanish teacher once told me "that's not proper Spanish, if you spoke like that in Madrid people would take you for being rude."

How about RADIO profiling?

- blaring that crappy Banda music, songs in Spanish, during normal working hours most people are working a job - these guys are out driving around blasting that shit thru 50watt x 4 channel car stereos regarless of the neighborhood

.. then another giveaway comes to mind: Cultural profiling?

- drive like shit / talk like shit to people / drink till they're shitfaced, buying tall cans of beer all day long / begging for beer money at the 7-11 all day long / beat on their women, and knocking the small kids around is OK by them

Nobody needs racial profiling, when there's so many other ways to suspect somebody's an opportunist trespasser in this country. And they are almost always catholic, fuckin catholics.

[kwame k]

- drive like shit / talk like shit to people / drink till they're shitfaced, buying tall cans of beer all day long / begging for beer money at the 7-11 all day long / beat on their women, and knocking the small kids around is OK by them

Hey little fella, I think you're confusing yourself with the Mexicans again!

[Dr. Love]

"While it is theoretically possible to grant deferred action to an unrestricted number of unlawfully present individuals, doing so would likely be controversial, not to mention expensive," the memo says. Instead, officials suggest using the option for certain groups, such as tens of thousands of high school graduates who have been brought up in the U.S. and plan to attend college or serve in the armed forces.

Democrats and Republicans have repeatedly tried to push through legislation — known as the "Dream Act" — to cover those students.

"To be clear," Bentley said, the government "will not grant deferred action or humanitarian parole to the nation's entire illegal immigrant population."

THIS IS AN OUTRAGE!

They are considering letting illegal children that have lived their whole lives in the US stay if they are going to college or serving in the military?

UNCONSCIONABLE!

[PETE'S BROTHER]

THIS IS AN OUTRAGE!

They are considering letting illegal children that have lived their whole lives in the US stay if they are going to college or serving in the military?

UNCONSCIONABLE!

i actually see some merit to this part. however, i don't think obama should get to decide.


p.s. another awesome sig!:baaa:

[Dr. Love]

ah, you have revealed the true purpose of my post already... ;)

[PETE'S BROTHER]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_thelookout/20110302/ts_yblog_thelookout/proposed-texas-immigration-law-contains-convenient-loophole-for-the-help

The bill would make hiring an "unauthorized alien" a crime punishable by up to two years in prison and a $10,000 fine, unless that is, they are hired to do household chores. :lmao:


Jon English, Rep. Riddle's chief of staff explained that the exemption was an attempt to avoid "stifling the economic engine" in Texas, which today is, somewhat ironically, celebrating its declaring independence from Mexico in 1836.

:hee:

[FORD]

Right.....

"Nobody can hire them damn wetbacks who are standin around the Home Depot parking lot, but goddamn it, you can't touch my maid, because then I might have to clean my own fucking house!!"

Teabag hypocrisy in action again :biggrin:

[fifth element]

Anyone that works off grid can be suspect of some illegal activity and thus makes them an "illegal"

define "off grid"

anyone that does not have a 40 hour a week wage per hour type job??

[fifth element]

And they are almost always catholic, fuckin catholics.


yeah, those damned Catholics....

oh yeah......I'm related to some of them...... :biggrin: