Who first used the Devil Horns HM Salute?

[GreenBayLA]

Chaim Witz? aka Sham Witless?
http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSSn0C-UZU9J6Kj7LYpvenKJWVzQtVlyrFkT-bkLqTD5KTSAkI&t=1&usg=__uvisbnSqWMPxNNv1J13Q8XXgsPo=

Ronnie James Dio?
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Or John Lennon?!?!?!?
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http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=32936

[kissfan1976]

Gene's hand gesture is supposed to be "I LOVE YOU" in sign language.

[Hardrock69]

No, it was a sign meant to ward off the Evil Eye. Traditional Italian thing. Hundreds of years old. So yes....at the very least, it was Dio's Grandma.

[Green Manalishi]

This is the great debate amongst the old school Devils Horn music circles .
There is substantial evidence that ...get this ...George Clinton and Parliament -Funkadelic was rockin' the Devil Horns way back in the early '70's .
Personally , I like the P-Funk mobs ...cool music indeed....

[lesfunk]

All I know is that Jerry Garcia invented "The Shocker"

[Ruprecht]

i did not know gene invented those bad ass horns,

[Dave's Bitch]

So, what's the difference in Gene Simmons holding the thumb out or Dio tucking it in? Nothing?


Thumb out has been more adopted by the Emo culture

[GreenBayLA]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_f3SZ5Tu916o/S8kg2OfPL1I/AAAAAAAAQdQ/SGXERXdkbf4/s400/ASL-I-love-you.jpg

http://images.uulyrics.com/cover/g/george-clinton/album-six-degrees-of-p-funk-the-best-of-george-clinton-his-funky-family.jpg

Couldn't find Dio's grandma

http://img.metro.co.uk/i/pix/2010/03/09/article-1268142082109-08A03846000005DC-327743_636x386.jpg

[GreenBayLA]

Oh yeah Coven
However, beating Simmons and Dio as rock n' roll cornuto originator is the psychedelic-occult band Coven. In 1969 Coven not only posed for the back of their album Witchcraft Destroys Minds & Reaps Souls making the "sign of the horns" (the "correct" way, not the Karana mudrā), but they included a poster of them at a Black Mass making the gesture as well. Also on the Witchcraft Destroys album: a 13 minute recording of a full-length "Satanic Mass." And so we come full circle to the Illuminologist claim of the sign of the horns gesture being a promoter of Satan (even though the mano cornuto, as well as the Karana mudrā, was supposed to repel demons instead of glorifying them).
http://thedaily23.blogspot.com/2010/04/is-sign-of-horns-hand-gesture-satanic.html

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_f3SZ5Tu916o/S8khgFwkkWI/AAAAAAAAQdg/21B0LRAPWmc/s400/2218333705_90bf555fae.jpg

[GreenBayLA]

All I know is that Jerry Garcia invented "The Shocker"

You sure about that?
http://www.twistedtease.com/images/uploads/shocker_LRG.gif

Not using da ring finger
http://s-ak.buzzfed.com/static/imagebuzz/web02/2008/11/28/8/dee294ede8a52e49b167d101da7d7d5a_2.jpg

[GreenBayLA]

I'm learning a lot!
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[Va Beach VH Fan]

No, it was a sign meant to ward off the Evil Eye. Traditional Italian thing. Hundreds of years old. So yes....at the very least, it was Dio's Grandma.

Yes, the "malocchio", or bad eye....

[lesfunk]

Hmmmm....

[Seshmeister]

First time I saw it was in old Spider-man comics...

http://spidermancostume.ca/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/spiderman.gif

[Seshmeister]

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSSn0C-UZU9J6Kj7LYpvenKJWVzQtVlyrFkT-bkLqTD5KTSAkI&t=1&usg=__uvisbnSqWMPxNNv1J13Q8XXgsPo=



That's the only time I've seen Anne Wilson do it.

[kwame k]

She really needs to lay off the makeup, too!

[GreenBayLA]

You just did!:mad0233:

[indeedido]

I think it was someone at the University of Texas. Hook 'em horns! :tongue0011:

[Satan]

Wish we could invite Satan into the conversation.


You knew I was going to find this one eventually. And to answer the question.....

The Devil Horn salute was invented by........



THE DEVIL, of course! http://www.cosgan.de/images/smilie/teufel/d010.gif

[bueno bob]

To the best of my knowledge, the first widespread use of it in metal terms was probably done by Coven, as mentioned above...of course, Ronnie brought it to the forefront and gave it it's significance today, so you could probably split the difference between them.

[FORD]

The thing about Jerry is......

http://s-ak.buzzfed.com/static/imagebuzz/web02/2008/11/28/8/dee294ede8a52e49b167d101da7d7d5a_2.jpg

...he's not throwing up any signs with his hand here. That's his entire finger. The rest of it got chopped off in a childhood accident.

[GreenBayLA]

I did not know that.

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[FORD]

Yep. Something similar happened to Phil Keaggy......

http://www.johnboda.net/photogallery/keaggymc.jpg

And I think Tony Iommi is missing the tips of one or two fingers, which he compensates for by putting some rubber "finger condoms" over the stumps...

http://www.feelnumb.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/picture-32.png

You would never know any of these guys were missing fingers by listening to them, that's for damn sure.

[MAX]

This is the great debate amongst the old school Devils Horn music circles .
There is substantial evidence that ...get this ...George Clinton and Parliament -Funkadelic was rockin' the Devil Horns way back in the early '70's .
Personally , I like the P-Funk mobs ...cool music indeed....



P-Funk were stellar!!!
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[lesfunk]

It really doesn't matter who did it first. All that matters is who rocked it harder.. DIO!

[MAX]

I dunno cos Bob Weir grets awfully excited before Jerry solo's during several songs. "St. Stephen" in particular. lol. :lmao:

[GAR]

There is no question who rocked harder, but before he pinched the Horns Salute from Lennon, Ronnie Dio in his psychedelic "Elf" days even had his own little cartoon-video/album concept with "Butterfly Ball" many years after Yellow Submarine.

"Love Is All"

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So not only did Dio snag one concept from the Beatles but two.

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.. both animations, leeching off from the initial influence of Peter Max, who ripped off Heinz Edellman's style - who actually was the guy to pioneer the psychedelic art style.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_Submarine_%28film%29

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0074260/fullcredits#cast

[GAR]

One side note from browsing for the credits for "Ball" shows most of Deep Purple were involved with the thing including every invocation of Ritchie's vocalists up to 1975:

Glen Hughes
David Coverdale
Ronnie Dio
and Ian Gillan.

That would be a good Metal Show stumper: "On what recording do all singers Deep Purple and Ritchie Blackmore's Rainbow appear?" - because you'd have to know this recording, and also know that only the first Rainbow albums' called Ritchie Blackmore's.

After that the group is referred to only as "Rainbow."