Is this shirt racist?

[sadaist]

Watching Bill Oreilly tonight. He was talking with the leader of the NAACP Washington division. Anyways, the NAACP has set up a website teapartytracker.org to basically keep an eye on the Tea Party events to point out & chastise any racism that happens. All the guy from the NAACP could point to since April (the date when the Tea Party sent an official correspondence to the NAACP repudiating all racism, bigotry, etc...) was this 1 guy wearing this "offensive" t-shirt.

I don't see this shirt as racist, but more a statement of facts*. Yeah, the guy is trying to push peoples buttons by wearing it. I wouldn't have worn, nor condoned the wearing of it...just due to it obviously being intended to agitate the opposite side. But racist shirt? I don't see it that way. I think if people have a real problem with what is on this guys shirt, they need to address the issues on this guys shirt. Not the guy wearing it, or especially not the organizations' event he was attending.

Anyways...just curious of other peoples thoughts on the shirt. So far I only have the NAACP's view on it.

I think my main problem with the whole thing is the blaming of the Tea Party due to 1 guys t-shirt at 1 event. No organization can be expected to enforce dress codes for rallies and monitor every single person that attends

Link to site at bottom of post.

http://action.naacp.org/page/-/tp-tracker/images/racism.jpg

http://www.teapartytracker.org/blog_entry/t-shirt-from-8-28-rally

*I'm going on the premise this guys shirt is factually correct. I'm currently in the process of some self education on slavery happening in other countries. GO GO INTERNETS - AWAY!!

[ELVIS]

That's the best they can do, a pic of Dickforbreath in a ni**er hatin' shirt ??

[ELVIS]

Here's my shirt...

http://www.sodahead.com/entertainment/should-teen-wolf-taylor-lautner-remain-shirtless/blog-296528/


:elvis:

[sadaist]

That's the best they can do, a pic of Dickforbreath in a ni**er hatin' shirt ??

LOL

I'm going to take that as a vote for "yes, you think it's a racist shirt".

[Seshmeister]

Here's my shirt...

http://www.sodahead.com/entertainment/should-teen-wolf-taylor-lautner-remain-shirtless/blog-296528/


:elvis:

Hahaha

[ELVIS]

I'll bet you have a racist blue question mark shirt as well...

[ELVIS]

http://opinion-maker.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/one_big_ass_mistake_america_anti_obama_shirt.jpg


:elvis:

[sadaist]

http://opinion-maker.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/one_big_ass_mistake_america_anti_obama_shirt.jpg


:elvis:


I like that one. And I would bet money most people would find that a million times less offensive than the shirt in the first post that simply has a factual statement on it. Weird. Humans is some crazy beings.

[ELVIS]

Yeah, pretty soon you won't be allowed to say black...

[Seshmeister]

http://opinion-maker.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/one_big_ass_mistake_america_anti_obama_shirt.jpg


:elvis:

That's not yours the spelling is too good... :)

[chefcraig]

That's not yours the spelling is too good... :)

I dunno...shouldn't it read "One Big Assed Mistake, America"? http://freesmileyface.net/smiley/Thinking/thinking-023.GIF (http://freesmileyface.net/Free-Thinking-Smileys.html)

[Mushroom]

I don't see this shirt as racist, but more a statement of facts*.

It is derogatory. I wouldn't wear it unless a black man gets in my face, and asks for reparations because some of our ancestors owned slaves back in the 1800's. But my shirt would also say my irish ancestors were slaves.

The problem is it looks like he's trying to justify slavery. With no context it's easy to say the guy supports slavery or he is a racist. But I would rather dig deeper and understand why he is wearing it -- is it in response to somebody's statement?

[ELVIS]

That's not yours the spelling is too good... :)

I still have that shirt...:biggrin:

[Jagermeister]

Just to let you all know I DO NOT own any t shirts like these.

[sadaist]

The problem is it looks like he's trying to justify slavery. With no context it's easy to say the guy supports slavery or he is a racist. But I would rather dig deeper and understand why he is wearing it -- is it in response to somebody's statement?


I saw it more as he was saying blacks are just as much at fault for slavery as whites are....not that he is justifying it. And perhaps blacks may be more culpable because in parts of the world they still have slavery, while whites have abolished it.

But what the fuck do I know? I swear to God until I read that shirt, I had never heard of Mauritania. After I looked it up I realized his shirt had it spelled wrong.

[chefcraig]

Just to let you all know I DO NOT own any t shirts like these.

Really...so is there a joint nearby where do you rent yours? :tongue0011:

[Terry]

All this talk makes me nostalgic for my sadly recently disintegrated and discarded "Nuke The Gay Whales For Jesus" t-shirt.

[Terry]

It is derogatory. I wouldn't wear it unless a black man gets in my face, and asks for reparations because some of our ancestors owned slaves back in the 1800's. But my shirt would also say my irish ancestors were slaves.

The problem is it looks like he's trying to justify slavery. With no context it's easy to say the guy supports slavery or he is a racist. But I would rather dig deeper and understand why he is wearing it -- is it in response to somebody's statement?

Yeah, beyond the presumed facts, I'm a little unclear of the broader point the message on his shirt is trying to make.

[ELVIS]

Maybe you t-shirt analysts can explain the deeper meaning of this shirt message...

http://gafy.com/images/designs/270_D095A34A.jpg


:elvis:

[PETE'S BROTHER]

they have slaves there too

[Jagermeister]

:biggrin:

[jhale667]

Yeah, beyond the presumed facts, I'm a little unclear of the broader point the message on his shirt is trying to make.

So is he trying to show that at one point one of the more shameful facts of societal evolution is that slavery was acceptable world-wide?
So was burning people at the stake - BFD. That was wrong too.

[sadaist]

So is he trying to show that at one point one of the more shameful facts of societal evolution is that slavery was acceptable world-wide?
So was burning people at the stake - BFD. That was wrong too.


But the blame for slavery seems to fall squarely 100% on the white American.

[chefcraig]

But the blame for slavery seems to fall squarely 100% on the white American.

It's pretty much a given that the inherent tribal leaders who traded or sold off their countrymen were complicit as well.

[hambon4lif]

Maybe you t-shirt analysts can explain the deeper meaning of this shirt message...

http://gafy.com/images/designs/270_D095A34A.jpg


:elvis:Hell, that's easy!

"My last disc didn't sell for shit, and the suits at my label need their shoes shined, so I gotta do something controversial."

To look for a deeper meaning than that is just over-thinking things....

[ELVIS]

:biggrin:

[WACF]

Maybe you t-shirt analysts can explain the deeper meaning of this shirt message...

http://gafy.com/images/designs/270_D095A34A.jpg


:elvis:

He is taking the power away from the word.

[jhale667]

But the blame for slavery seems to fall squarely 100% on the white American.


Craig makes an excellent point, but...
In America? Who else are you going to blame it on, huh?

[PETE'S BROTHER]

Craig makes an excellent point, but...
In America? Who else are you going to blame it on, huh?

the rain or rio:tongue0011:

[jhale667]

the rain or rio:tongue0011:

You do realize you just made a Milli Vanilli reference, yes?

http://www.hollow-hill.com/sabina/images/corner-dumbass.jpg

:tongue0011:

[PETE'S BROTHER]

:biggrin:

[POJO_Risin]

We all know Nas is a fucking dipshit...

Let him call his own race whatever the fuck he wants to...

but not on this board...

[Nickdfresh]

That's the best they can do, a pic of Dickforbreath in a ni**er hatin' shirt ??

Well, it's not like your a creepy, obsessed closet case or something...

Do you think of anything other than my "dick" in a thread I haven't even posted in yet?

How's that plan for cleanin' the Gulf comin,' bedpan flipper?

[Nickdfresh]

BTW, odds on the fact that Elvis hasn't even heard of half of those countries?

[Nickdfresh]

Watching Bill Oreilly tonight. He was talking with the leader of the NAACP Washington division. Anyways, the NAACP has set up a website teapartytracker.org to basically keep an eye on the Tea Party events to point out & chastise any racism that happens. All the guy from the NAACP could point to since April (the date when the Tea Party sent an official correspondence to the NAACP repudiating all racism, bigotry, etc...) was this 1 guy wearing this "offensive" t-shirt.

I don't see this shirt as racist, but more a statement of facts*. Yeah, the guy is trying to push peoples buttons by wearing it. I wouldn't have worn, nor condoned the wearing of it...just due to it obviously being intended to agitate the opposite side. But racist shirt? I don't see it that way. I think if people have a real problem with what is on this guys shirt, they need to address the issues on this guys shirt. Not the guy wearing it, or especially not the organizations' event he was attending.

Anyways...just curious of other peoples thoughts on the shirt. So far I only have the NAACP's view on it.

I think my main problem with the whole thing is the blaming of the Tea Party due to 1 guys t-shirt at 1 event. No organization can be expected to enforce dress codes for rallies and monitor every single person that attends

Link to site at bottom of post.

http://action.naacp.org/page/-/tp-tracker/images/racism.jpg

http://www.teapartytracker.org/blog_entry/t-shirt-from-8-28-rally

*I'm going on the premise this guys shirt is factually correct. I'm currently in the process of some self education on slavery happening in other countries. GO GO INTERNETS - AWAY!!

And, since I was invoked by that Louisiana nurse-bitch...

The shirt is only racist in that it makes ignorant white people stupid since they can't fucking spell a country they're trying to make a point about. I mean, really? I mean, if you're going to be a high and mighty and shit and call out African nations for slavery, at least:

a.) know how to spell them

b.) vaguely know where the fuck they are located (unlike Sarah Palin)

c.) have some sort of point that other than blacks are evil slave-traders too, so it was okay to perpetuate the slave trade far later than most other Western industrialized nations did...

But yeah, tyranny and cult-of-personality fascist looters know no skin color...

[vh rides again]

I dont think its racist, its the goddamn truth. but that guy doesnt belong at that rally, he should be at some black panther rally and wip that baby out when some racist black is spewing his hate speech towards whites and how whites enslaved his people for 300 years.

That guy is tired of blacks using the race card, hes tired of white america carrying the full burden of slavery and running into a brick wall every time there is a debate with or about a black.

I watched that orielly show when that naacp guy was on there. i cant stand watching those racist bastards on tv, the level of deceite is astronomical the way they sidestep questions. the naacp should be outlawed, biggest racists organization on the planet.

[BigBadBrian]

Craig makes an excellent point, but...
In America? Who else are you going to blame it on, huh?

The English and the Dutch.

They are the ones who instituted slavery in the New World.

It took us awhile, but White Americans are the ones who eventually ended slavery.

Let us not forget also that the ancestry of the plantation/slave owners in the Rebel South were in large part Dutch, English, Irish, and Scottish.

Therefore we can blame Sesh's and the Van Halen ancestors.

:gulp:

[chefcraig]

Let us not forget also that the ancestry of the plantation/slave owners in the Rebel South were in large part Dutch, English, Irish, and Scottish.

Therefore we can blame Sesh's and the Van Halen ancestors.

:gulp:

By that logic we should blame the Indians, for letting the white man into the country in the first place.

[BigBadBrian]

By that logic we should blame the Indians, for letting the white man into the country in the first place.

Exactly. It's a good thing we subjugated those ignorant heathens.

:gulp:

[jhale667]

More example's of BigBlandBrainDrain's "Christian" principles.

[LoungeMachine]

I know alot of Christians....

Brie and ELVIRA are not Christian inany way, shape, or form.

They just pretend to be.

:gulp:

[Nickdfresh]

The English and the Dutch.

They are the ones who instituted slavery in the New World.

It took us awhile, but White Americans are the ones who eventually ended slavery.
...
:gulp:

Um, I thought you were Mr. Superconservative and all that? What happened to "taking personal responsibility?" How could Americans living in the 1850s blame European nations that ended slavery decades before for its continuation?

Yeah, whites ended slavery. Who else could have...

[Nickdfresh]

Exactly. It's a good thing we subjugated those ignorant heathens.

:gulp:

Genocide rocks!

[sadaist]

By that logic we should blame the Indians, for letting the white man into the country in the first place.


Fuck Big Chief MukityMuk and the rest of their lot. Indian casinos are the most crooked places on earth. Really...look it up in the Guinness book.

[chefcraig]

Fuck Big Chief MukityMuk and the rest of their lot. Indian casinos are the most crooked places on earth. Really...look it up in the Guinness book.

I don't have to...I live within 4 miles of a reservation. After the royal screwing Indians received (encompassing everything from land-grabs to genocide) since white douche bags showed up in this country, I'm all for them getting as much and whatever they can. And in case you might be wondering, yes, I'm one part Blackfoot.

[jhale667]

I don't have to...I live within 4 miles of a reservation. After the royal screwing Indians received (encompassing everything from land-grabs to genocide) since white douche bags showed up in this country, I'm all for them getting as much and whatever they can. And in case you might be wondering, yes, I'm one part Blackfoot.

Agree (and am also part native American). They deserve all they can get. Don't like it? Don't gamble in one of their casinos.

[Nickdfresh]

Fuck Big Chief MukityMuk and the rest of their lot. Indian casinos are the most crooked places on earth. Really...look it up in the Guinness book.

One of the major casinos in Niagara Falls (U.S. side) in America is run by the tribes, has been for a while, and I've never heard any sort of complaint of cheating by any of the avid gamers I work with. I only hear complaints of regret that they didn't quit while they were ahead...

[LoungeMachine]

, I'm one part Blackfoot.

Never knew that.

1/16th on the old man's side here.

:gulp:

[Little Texan]

And in case you might be wondering, yes, I'm one part Blackfoot.

Does that mean you are missing an "i" in your name? :biggrin:

[sadaist]

One of the major casinos in Niagara Falls (U.S. side) in America is run by the tribes, has been for a while, and I've never heard any sort of complaint of cheating by any of the avid gamers I work with. I only hear complaints of regret that they didn't quit while they were ahead...


OK. I admit "crooked" was probably the wrong terminology. Go figure...who would expect me to fail at word usage? LOL

Anyways, what I mean is that in California, they are not required to state payout percentages. In Las Vegas every single casino is regulated very closely and made sure that they are publishing correct payout percentages.

Point - slots in CA Indian casinos are tighter than a {insert funny saying here}. Sorry...drawing a blank tonight.

[ELVIS]

We all know Nas is a fucking dipshit...

Let him call his own race whatever the fuck he wants to...

but not on this board...

That's pretty lame...

[Nitro Express]

I'm an equal opportunity offender. I will wipe my ass with both whites, blacks, asians, Democrats or Republicans. I will piss on Al Sharpton or John Hagee at the same time.

[Nitro Express]

You can openly rip Obama a new asshole and get away with is as long as you rip George W. Bush's asshole at the same time. I hate both of the mother fuckers so I'm not singling any one group out unless of course it's the lobbying assholes who bought both of them.

[Steve Savicki]

The shirt is racist because it is using the word "black." That is considered racist to some and the correct term is "African American".

[Nitro Express]

I love indian reservations. When I was a minor I use to go the the rez to score beer, porn, and illegal fireworks. I would also have a buffalo burger.

[Nitro Express]

The shirt is racist because it is using the word "black." That is considered racist to some and the correct term is "African American".

My wife's brother in law is from South Africa and became an American citizen. He's African American but is white so that doesn't fly.

[sadaist]

The shirt is racist because it is using the word "black." That is considered racist to some and the correct term is "African American".



The only African-Americans are people that hold dual citizenship.

[jhale667]

The only African-Americans are people that hold dual citizenship.

Exactly, exactly.

And oh yeah.... STFU STEVE.

[BigBadBrian]

I know alot of Christians....

Brie and ELVIRA are not Christian inany way, shape, or form.

They just pretend to be.

:gulp:

Kinda like you know how to play the bass and were a retired rockstar like you first claimed when you first came to this board, huh LardMachine? :lmao:

[chefcraig]

Never knew that.

1/16th on the old man's side here.

:gulp:


Does that mean you are missing an "i" in your name? :biggrin:

To be honest, I tend not to discuss it all that much as the designation is both a blessing and a curse. Ever since Dances With Wolves came out, people have been coming out of the woodwork with genuine and dubious claims of ancestry. For the most part, this is quite a positive and endearing thing for people to do, yet every so often you'll get some goofball like ace dingbat making noises about his heritage, and the proceeding embarrassment promptly shoots the entire enterprise right in the foot.

[Nitro Express]

To be honest, I tend not to discuss it all that much as the designation is both a blessing and a curse. Ever since Dances With Wolves came out, people have been coming out of the woodwork with genuine and dubious claims of ancestry. For the most part, this is quite a positive and endearing thing for people to do, yet every so often you'll get some goofball like ace dingbat making noises about his heritage, and the proceeding embarrassment promptly shoots the entire enterprise right in the foot.

Everyone claims to be this or that but to be honest we all are Heinz 57's. There is always someone in the woodshed great grandmother was fucking and it probably was an African slave or an indian.

[Nitro Express]

The slave traders in Africa were black. The Europeans just bought them at the slave auctions on the coast but the whole distribution system to the coast was ran by black Africans. They never tell you this fact. Not that I'm condoning what the British, French, Portuguese and Spanish did to get cheap labor to run their American plantations.

Things have not changed so much. When your competition is using slaves you have to as well. Now days we just import the finish goods or agricultural products made and grown by slaves from corporate contracted sweat shops and plantations. I might add some factories in China sell their underage workers into prostitution if they don't tow the line. There still is plenty of slavery just below the surface.

[Nitro Express]

So when some black person is crying about slavery and blaming the white man, may we point out his Nike shoes and trendy clothing he wears are made by slaves and he's supporting it by buying the stuff. If they really cared about slavery they would boycott such good.

[Nitro Express]

If stating true facts of history make you a racist then I'm racist as hell and proud of it.

[Guitar Shark]

The shirt is racist because it is using the word "black." That is considered racist to some and the correct term is "African American".

How do you feel about the term "retard", Steve?

[chefcraig]

If stating true facts of history make you a racist then I'm racist as hell and proud of it.

Technically, that merely makes you a historian. Of course, if the facts you choose to present are twisted in order to reflect some sort of agenda, then perhaps you could be considered a racist. Or better yet, a racist historian practicing in revisionist history. It's all in the spin.

[sadaist]

So when some black person is crying about slavery and blaming the white man, may we point out his Nike shoes and trendy clothing he wears are made by slaves and he's supporting it by buying the stuff. If they really cared about slavery they would boycott such good.


But look who the shoe companies have as the faces of their product. Black athletes & rappers. Michael Jordan did more for the athletic shoe than anyone. Michael Jordan - a black man who made hundreds of millions from hocking the product of sweat shop slaves.

Money changes people...as shown here in this highly scientific test.

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[chefcraig]

So when some black person is crying about slavery and blaming the white man, may we point out his Nike shoes and trendy clothing he wears are made by slaves and he's supporting it by buying the stuff. If they really cared about slavery they would boycott such good.

Sure, you are going to have a great amount of ignorant halfwits running around in the manner you've described, yet this statement overlooks the fact that there are informed people who choose not to purchase products made under such conditions.

[sadaist]

Sure, you are going to have a great amount of ignorant halfwits running around in the manner you've described, yet this statement overlooks the fact that there are informed people who choose not to purchase products made under such conditions.


I do try, although it is impossible for the consumer in todays America to not buy items from overseas. Nick started a great "Made in the USA" thread a long time ago, and we posted all the things still made here in it. Was a fun thread. Hard to find stuff nowadays.

[FORD]

Point - slots in CA Indian casinos are tighter than a {insert funny saying here}. Sorry...drawing a blank tonight.

....nun's pussy?

[chefcraig]

....nun's pussy?

Apparently you don't frequent some of the web sites I do...:sleazy-smiley:

[PETE'S BROTHER]

Apparently you don't frequent some of the web sites I do...:sleazy-smiley:

those sites are run by Ima, right?:baaa: