300 Economists Warn Obama: Grave Danger Ahead

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300 Economists Warn Obama: Grave Danger Ahead
Thursday, 09/16/2010 - 2:37 pm by Bryce Covert


Three hundred economists released a letter to President Obama today with one message: focus on jobs, not on the deficit. Robert Borosage, co-director of the Institute for America’s Future and one of the authors of the statement, said the letter is “a call for action on the economy and a return to economic common sense” in a conference call with the media this morning. This is not the time for balancing the budget and slashing the deficit, he pointed out; rather, it is “the time for bold initiatives to rebuild America and to generate jobs and growth.”

The storyline that we have out of control government spending right now is “one hundred eighty degrees from reality,” said Dean Baker, ND20 contributor and co-director of Center for Economic and Policy Research on the call. What is the real problem here? Long-term, it’s spiraling health care costs. Without getting those under control, no matter what else happens the US will have a huge financial burden in the long run. “It’s not the deficit; it’s health care,” he warned.

Robert Kuttner laid it all out plainly: it’s “really about a high road to recovery versus a low road to fiscal balance.” The high road: increased public investment, leading back to easy fiscal balance. The low road: fiscal austerity now, at the cost of whacking the economy. Want a great example? Look no further than World War II. The modest deficit spending of the New Deal was no match for the spending in the run-up to war, which thrust the economy back into recovery.

And finally Robert Reich, the former Secretary of Labor, was perfectly clear on where he stands: “There is a serious danger that if we continue with the policies that we are now seeing in Washington, we’re going to have not just a double dip recession, but we are toying with the possibility of much more serious deflation and a US lost decade analogous to Japan’s lost decade.” There are only four sources of economic demand, three of which — consumers, businesses, and export countries — have problems of their own, he reminds us. Government is the last source when all else fails — and all else IS failing. If we can’t learn the lesson from these facts, Reich thinks we risk repeating 1937, when FDR listened to budget balancers and deficit hawks. His move “plunged us back into depths of very deep depression,” and he says we’re in danger of doing the same thing all over again unless we can “stop our obsession with short-term deficits and understand both economic logic and history.”

Other economists are also making noise about this issue. The New America Foundation recently released “Plan B for Economic Recovery“, which included a statement from ND20 contributors Marshall Auerback and James K. Galbraith, called for a focus on jobs and progressive ideas to get the economy back on track. And Washington Post blogger Ezra Klein just ran an interview series, “Blue Skies,” that lays out different ideas to kick-start job creation from Dean Baker, Heather Boushey, Michael Lind, and others. Moral of the story: this recession demands creative and bold action, not a resort to fear.

http://www.newdeal20.org/2010/09/16/300-economists-warn-obama-grave-danger-ahead-20341/

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Here's the letter.....

In the fall of 2008 the U.S. and other major economies were in a free fall in the wake of a global financial crisis. Emergency stimulus policies here and around the world broke the fall, but brought us only part way to full recovery.

Today there is a grave danger that the still-fragile economic recovery will be undercut by austerity economics. A turn by major governments away from the promotion of growth and jobs and to premature focus on deficit reduction could slow growth and increase unemployment – and could push us back into recession.

History suggests that a tenuous recovery is no time to practice austerity. In the Great Depression, Franklin Roosevelt’s New Deal generated growth and reduced the unemployment rate from 25 percent in 1932 to less than 10 percent in 1937. However, the deficit hawks of that era persuaded President Roosevelt to reverse course prematurely and move toward budget balance. The result was a severe recession that caused the economy to contract sharply and sent the unemployment rate soaring. Only the much larger wartime spending of the early 1940s produced a full recovery.

Today, the economy is growing only weakly. 7.8 million jobs have been lost in the recession. Consumers, having suffered losses in home values and retirement savings, are tightening their belts. The business sector, uncertain about consumer spending, is reluctant to invest in expansion or job creation, leaving the economy trapped on a path of slow growth or stagnation. Over 20 million American workers are now unemployed, underemployed or simply have given up looking for a job.

The President and Congress should redouble efforts to create jobs and send aid to the states whose budget crises threaten recovery by forcing them to lay off school teachers, public safety workers, and other essential workers. It also makes sense to invest in public service jobs – and in infrastructure projects for transportation, water, and energy conservation that will make our economy more productive for years to come.

to be continued....

[FORD]

...continued...

Austerity advocates confuse two different issues—short term deficits generated by the recession and long term projections of deficits and debt. Deficits rose last decade largely due to the Bush tax cuts and the unfunded wars and prescription drug program, but they exploded as a result of the economic crisis. Once prosperity is restored, deficits will be reduced substantially. Over the long term, projections of rising deficits and debt are mainly due to one fundamental factor: rising health care costs.

Contrary to the claims of many deficit hawks, America does not have an entitlement crisis. America has a broken health care system. Efforts to reduce public sector costs without fixing the health care system, such as caps on Medicare and Medicaid spending or replacing them with vouchers, will undermine the effectiveness of these programs, but won’t fix the broken health care system. The health care reform bill passed earlier this year may be a first step towards repairing the health care system, but much more will need to be done.

Social Security has nothing to do with our current deficit. It is supported by its own dedicated payroll taxes (which were increased to build up a trust fund to cover the baby boomers’ retirement). Social Security has actually reduced the unified budget deficit for the most of the last three decades and will continue to do so for most of the next decade. Making sure Social Security is solvent for the next century should be dealt with separately from any process set up to address short or long-term deficits, and can be accomplished with minor adjustments.

....to be continued

[FORD]

...continued

The President’s National Commission on Fiscal Responsibility and Reform has set a goal of reducing the Federal deficit to 3 percent of GDP by 2015. It is not clear that this arbitrary target can be met without damaging our recovery. In any case, the goals of economic policy must be far broader.

The most important question is this: What will drive economic growth, job creation and prosperity in the years to come? Conservatives argue that we should simply reduce deficits and wait for the next economic boom. But the last boom was built on a bubble, inflated by unsustainable household debt and financial speculation. If we focus merely on cutting spending and raising taxes, the economy could shrink again – or stay stuck in a permanently low level of growth and high levels of unemployment.

President Barack Obama has called on us to build a new foundation for the economy. This requires making investments vital to our future – in education and training, in research and development, in a modern infrastructure for the 21st century. It requires ending our addiction to oil, and capturing a lead role in the green industrial revolution, creating the next generation of green jobs.

Study after study demonstrates that America has a huge “public investment deficit” in areas vital to our economy. Some estimates suggest a shortfall in public investment of as much as $500 billion a year. As long as we have unacceptably high unemployment, outlays for additional investment can be deficit-financed. But once we achieve a robust recovery, our country should continue to pay for productive public investment, while acting to bring down public deficits. This will require new revenues.

We must have the confidence to forge our future. At the end of World War II, the US was burdened with debt that totaled over 120% of GDP. But we made the investments vital to a new economy – the GI Bill, housing subsidies, the interstate highway system, the conversion of military plants, and the Marshall plan. We ran annual deficits over most of the next three decades and the debt grew in absolute size, but the economy and the broad middle class grew faster. By 1980, the debt had been reduced to barely 30% of GDP. The better way to reduce the deficit as a percent of GDP is to increase GDP.

Even with a growing economy, increased investment and deficit reduction will require new sources of revenue, new priorities and a crackdown on wasteful subsidies.
Below are a range of measures which could be used to reduce the deficit and finance needed investments. Not all signers endorse every one of these options:

Any effort to cut spending should address the military budget, which consumes over half of discretionary spending. Much of our huge military spending is devoted to weapons designed to counter a Soviet Union that is no more. Defense experts estimate we could achieve significant Pentagon savings – in the range of $100 billion per year – while still sustaining the most powerful military in the world. We can use funds freed up to invest in new manufacturing industries that make our nation more secure.

Second, we should cut back the massive amounts wasted on outmoded subsidies – billions to the oil industry, to wasteful farm subsidies, and tax loopholes benefitting a few, with little productive return.

On the revenue side, in an era of Gilded Age inequality, progressive tax reform is long overdue. Revenue for reducing deficits and increasing investment can be raised by making taxes more progressive and by taxing activities we want to discourage. Some examples:


* A small tax on financial transactions (e.g. 0.025 percent on credit default swaps) would reduce high volume speculation and would produce revenues of about $100 billion per year.
* The Wyden-Gregg corporate loophole-closing proposals produce $1.078 trillion over ten years.
* Taxing hedge fund mangers’ “carried interest” income as regular income gains $3 billion per year.
* End special tax treatment of capital gains income. Revenue: $480 billion over ten years.
* A 5.4 percent surcharge on high incomes (passed by the House) produces $500 billion over ten years.
* A carbon tax would help reverse climate change. Revenue: $500 billion over ten years.
* End Bush tax cuts for people making more than 250k. Revenue: $37 billion per year.
* One version of a progressive estate tax on large fortunes would generate $50 billion per year.

Any value-added tax that amounts to a regressive sales tax on the working middle class should not be part of this package. There may be a future case for a VAT, perhaps to fund progressive social programs or replace even more regressive taxes, but not for deficit reduction.

.....tbc

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.....continued

There are two alternative paths to long-term fiscal balance.

The less desirable path is austerity economics: government sharply cuts spending long before full employment is reached; production stagnates; revenues decline. We might reach budget balance but at a lower level of economic output, with increased taxes on working Americans and reduced public services.

The alternative high road path would increase public spending financed by deficits for a year or two, until unemployment is definitely on a downward trend and GDP is rising rapidly. We then collect more revenues from a stronger economy. By identifying investments vital to our future, and paying for them with targeted spending cuts and progressive tax reforms, our country provides the basis for new private-sector investments that help fuel growth, generating greater revenues while reducing the deficit. The benefit of this second path is that government moves towards a reduction in annual deficits and a lowering of the debt-to-GDP ratio, at a higher level of economic output, while building a new basis for long term prosperity.




Institutional affiliations are provided for identification purposes only.

Statement Authors
Robert Borosage and Roger Hickey, Institute for America's Future
Dean Baker, Center for Economic and Policy Research
Robert Kuttner, The American Prospect and Dēmos

Endorsers

Economists

Tanweer Akram | Senior Economist, ING Investment Management

Randy Albelda | University of Massachusetts Boston

Sylvia Allegretto | University of California, Berkeley

Gar Alperovitz | University of Maryland

Nancy Altman | Social Security Works

Eileen Appelbaum | Rutgers University

Diane Archer | Institute for America’s Future

Michael Ash | University of Massachusetts Amherst

Nahid Aslanbeigui | Monmouth University

Marshall Auerback | Roosevelt Institute

Reuven Avi-Yonah | University of Michigan

Hillel Bachrach | 20/20 HealthCare Partners LLC

M. V. Lee Badgett | University of Massachusetts Amherst

Ron Baiman | Center for Tax and Budget Accountability

Dean Baker | Center for Economic and Policy Research

Radhika Balakrishnan | Rutgers University

Nesecan Balkan | Hamilton College

Nina Banks | Bucknell University

William Barclay| Chicago Political Economy Group

Chuck Barone| Dickinson College

Michael Belzer| Wayne State University

Lourdes Beneria| Cornell University

Barbara R. Bergmann| American University

Alexandra Bernasek| Colorado State University

Cihan Bilginsoy| University of Utah

Cyrus Bina| University of Minnesota (Morris Campus)

Angela Glover Blackwell| PolicyLink

Howard Botwinick| State University of New York , Cortland

Roger Bove| West Chester University (Retired)

Paula Braveman| University of California, San Francisco

Clair Brown| University of California Berkeley

E. Richard Brown| University of California Los Angeles

Robert Buchele| Smith College

Cruz Bueno| University of Massachusetts–Amherst

Jim Campen| University of Massachusetts Boston (emeritus)

Colin S. Cavell, Ph.D.| University of Bahrain American Studies Center

John Chasse| Association for Evolutionary Economics

Howard Chernick| Hunter College CUNY

Paul Christensen| Hofstra University

Steve Clemons| New America Foundation

Anne Cobb| Empire State College

Lizabeth Cohen| Harvard University

James Crotty| University of Massachusetts Amherst

James Cypher| California State University Fresno

Diana Da| Diana Dai Communications Inc.

Peter Damiano| The University of Iowa

Anita Dancs| Western New England College

Jane D’Arista| PERI/SAFER

Paul A David| Stanford University

Paul Davidson| University of Tennessee

Susan M. Davis| Buffalo State College

Charles Davis| Indiana University

John Davis| Marquette University

Anthony D’Costa| Asia Research Centre

Amy B. Dean| Author, “A New New Deal”

Gregory DeFreitas| Hofstra University

James Devine| Loyola Marymount University

Ranjit Dighe| SUNY College at Oswego

David Doane| Oakland University

Karen Dolan| Institute for Policy Studies

G. William Domhoff| University of California, Santa Cruz

Peter Dorman| Evergreen State College

Amitava Dutt| University of Notre Dame

Gary Dymski| University of California Riverside

Todd Easton| University of Portland

Gary Edelman| Edelman & Associates

Barbara Ehrenreich| Author, “Nickeled and Dimed”

Justin Elardo| Portland Community College

Zohreh Emami| Alverno College

Brian England| University of Utah

Gerald Epstein| University of Massachusetts at Amherst

Jeff Faux| Economic Policy Institute

Steven Fazzari| Washington University

Rashi Fein| Harvard University

Susan Feiner| University of Southern Maine

Thomas Ferguson| University of Massachusetts, Boston and Roosevelt Institute

Rudy Fichtenbaum| Wright State University

David Fields| University of Utah

Catherine Finnoff| University of Massachusetts at Amherst

Richard Flacks| University of California, Santa Barbara

Nancy Folbre| University of Massachusetts at Amherst

Robert Francis| Shoreline Community College

Robert Frank| Cornell University

Gerald Friedman| University of Massachusetts at Amherst

James K. Galbraith| University of Texas, Economists for Peace and Security

John Gallup| Portland State University

William Ganley| Department of Economics & Finance, Buffalo State College

Angel Garcia Banchs| Universidad Central de Venezuela

David George| La Salle University

Christophre Georges| Hamilton College

Arthur Gerds| Unaffilliated

Teresa Ghilarducci| New School for Social Research

Helen Ginsburg| Brooklyn College and National Jobs for All Coalition

Lonnie Golden| Penn State Abington

Stephen Gorin| Plymouth State University

Ulla Grapard| Colgate University

Carole Green| University of South Florida

Daphne Greenwood| University of Colorado-Colorado Springs

Karl D. Gregory| Oakland University and KDG & Associates

Lawrence Grossberg| University of North Carolina

Robert Guttmann| Hofstra University

Jacob Hacker| Yale University

Robin Hahnel| Portland State University

John Battaile Hall| Portland State University

Lori Hansen| Former Member, Senate Democrats Social Security Advisory Board

Martin Hart-Landsberg| Lewis and Clark College

Heidi Hartmann| Institute for Women’s Policy Research

John Harvey| Texas Christian University

Carol Heim| University of Massachusetts, Amherst

James Heintz| University of Massachusetts

Susan Helper| Case Western Reserve University

John Henry| University of Missouri–Kansas City

Conrad Herold| Hofstra University

Adam Hersh| University of Massachusetts

Gillian Hewitson| University of Sydney

Joan Hoffman| John Jay College of Criminal Justice

Michael Intriligator| University of California Los Angeles

Dorene Isenberg| University of Redlands

Ken Jacobs| University of California Berkeley

Peter Jacobson| University of Michigan

Robert Johnson| Roosevelt Institute

Helene Jorgensen| Author, Sick and Tired

Arne Kalleberg| University of North Carolina

J. K. Kapler| University of Massachusetts Boston

Victor Kasper Jr.| Buffalo State College

Jeffrey Keefe| Rutgers University

Mary King| Portland State University

Eric Kingson| Syracuse University

Andrew Kohen| James Madison University (emeritus)

Ben Kohl| Temple University

Gerald F. Kominski| University of California Los Angeles

Brent Kramer| City University of New York

Peter Karl Kresl| Bucknell University (emeritus)

Robert Kuttner| The American Prospect

Supriya Lahiri| University of Massachusetts Lowell

Thomas Lambert| Indiana University Southeast

Dr. Tom Larson| California State University, Los Angeles

Keith Leitich| Central & East Asian Affairs Analyst

Margaret Levenstein| University of Michigan

Charles Levenstein| University of Massachusetts Lowell

Henry Levin| Columbia University

Marc Levine| University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee

Mark Levinson | Service Employees International Union

Victor Lippit| University of California, Riverside

Robert Lynch| Washington College

Catherine Lynde| University of Massachusetts Boston

Arthur MacEwan| University of Massachusetts Boston (emeritus)

Christopher Mackin| Ownership Associates, Inc.

Yahya Madra| Gettysburg College

Jeff Madrick| Roosevelt Institute; Schwartz Center, The New School

Mark Maier| Glendale Community College

Jean Maier| US Society for Ecological Economics

Julianne Malveaux| Bennett College for Women

Arindam Mandal | Siena College

John Mannah| New School for Social Research

Theodore Marmor| Yale University

Julie Matthae| Wellesley College

Peter Matthews| Middlebury College

Daniel McFadden| University of California, Berkeley

Hannah McKinney| Kalamazoo College

Walter W. McMahon| University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign

Joseph Medley| University of Southern Maine

Michael Meeropol| Western New England College (emeritus)

Martin Melkonian| Hofstra University

John Messier| University of Maine Farmington

Peter Meyer| The E.P. Systems Group, Inc.

Thomas Michl| Colgate University

Marcelo Milan| University of Wisconsin Parkside

William Milberg| New School for Social Research

Lawrence Mishel| Economic Policy Institute

Vernon Mogensen| Kingsborough Community College, CUNY

Michael Morrill| Keystone Progress

Philip Moss| University of Massachusetts Lowell

Tracy Mott| University of Denver

Jamee Moudud| Sarah Lawrence College

Dedrick Muhammad| Institute for Policy Studies

Kevin Murphy| Oakland University

Michael Murray| Bates College

Michele Naples| The College of New Jersey

Julie Nelson| University of Massachusetts Boston

Immanuel Ness| Brooklyn College/CUNY

Katherine Newman| Princeton University

Eric Nilsson| California State University–San Bernardino

Laurie Nisonoff| Hampshire College

Jack Norman| Institute for Wisconsin’s Future

Michael Nuwer| State University of New York Potsdam

Paulette Olson| Wright State University

Mary Orisich| Holyoke Community College

Pierre Ostiguy| Bard College

Christine Owens| National Employment Law Project

Aaron Pacitti| Siena College

Spencer Pack| Connecticut College

Thomas Palley| New America Foundation

Robert Pandolfo| DBA/Analyst, self-employed

Dimitri Papadimitriou| Levy Economics Institute

Richard Parker| Harvard University

James Parrott| Fiscal Policy Institute

M. Stephen Pendleton| Buffalo State College

Michael Perelman| California State Universty–Chico

Tova Perlmutter| Sugar Law Center for Economic & Social Justice

Rick Perlstein| Author, "Nixonland: The Rise of a President and the Fracturing of America"

Joseph Persky| University of Illinois at Chicago

Mark Peterson| University of California Los Angeles

Karl Petrick| Western New England College

John Philo| Sugar Law Center for Economic and Social Justice

Paul Pieper| University of Illinois at Chicago

Bruce Pietrykowski| University of Michigan–Dearborn

Karen Rosel Polenske| Massachusetts Institute of Technology

Robert Pollin| University of Massachussets Amherst

Marilyn Power| Sarah Lawrence College

Thomas M. Power| University of Montana

Mark Price| Keystone Research Center

Edith Rasell| United Church of Christ Justice & Witness Ministries

Michael Reich| University of California Berkeley

Robert B. Reich| University of California Berkeley; former Secretary of Labor

Cordelia Reimer| Hunter College - CUNY

Joseph Ricciardi| Babson College

Malcolm Robinson| Thomas More College

John Roche| St. John Fisher College

James Rock| University of Utah

Charles Rock| Rollins College

John Roemer| Yale University

Sergio Romero| Boise State University

Jaime Ros| University of Notre Dame

Batt Rosemar| Cornell University

Michael Rosen| Milwaukee Area Technical College

Sam Rosenberg| Roosevelt University

Joshua Rosenbloom| University of Kansas

David Rosnick| Center for Economic and Policy Research

Lynda Rush| California State Polytechnic University

Hector Saez| Beyond Growth

Anandi Sahu| Oakland University

John Sarich| Institute of Global Communications

Lisa Saunders| University of Massachusetts–Amherst

Harwood Schaffer| University of Tennessee

Helen Scharber| University of Massachusetts–Amherst

Ted Schmidt| Buffalo State College

John Schmitt| Center for Economic and Policy Research

Victor Schoenbach| University of North Carolina

Sanford Schram| Bryn Mawr College

Sherle R. Schwenninger| New America Foundation

Elliott Sclar| Columbia University

Stephanie Seguino| University of Vermont

Jean Shackelford| Bucknell University

Sumitra Shah| St. John’s University

Derek Shearer| Occidental College

Kristen Sheeran| Economics for Equity and Environment Network

Heidi Shierholz| Economic Policy Institute

Richard Shirey| Siena College

Laurence Shute| California State Polytechnic University, Pomona

Alexandra Sidiropoulos| Miskin & Tsui-Yip LLP

Mark Silverman| Steptoe & Johnson LLP

Peter Skott| University of Massachusetts Amherst

Lewis Smith| Economist, retired

Vince Snowberger| Economist, retired

Case Sprenkle| University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign

James Ron Stanfield| Colorado State University (emeritus)

Casey Stanton| Transportation Equity Network

Howard Stein| University of Michigan

Mary Stevenson| University of Massachusetts Boston

James Stewart| Penn State University

Jeffrey Stewart| University of Cincinnati

Frank Stricker| California State University–Dominguez Hills

Peter Temin| Massachusetts Institute of Technology

David Terkla| University of Massachusetts Boston

Mark Thoma| University of Oregon

Frank Thompson| University of Michigan

Chris Tilly| University of California Los Angeles

Jim Tober| Marlboro College

John Tower| Oakland University (Retired)

Scott Trees| Siena College Economics Department

Dale Tussing| Syracuse University

Leanne Ussher| Queens College, City University of New York

David Vail| Bowdoin College

Marjolein van der Veen| The Nation

Bryan Van Name| Economics Blogger

Matt Vidal| King’s College London

Rudiger von Arnim| University of Utah

Valerie Voorheis| Marlboro College Graduate Center

Paula Voos| Rutgers University

Steven Wallace| University of California Los Angeles

Paul Wallace| Retired

Joseph Washington| Unaffilliated

Lucy Law Webster| Economists for Peace and Security

John Weeks| University of London (emeritus)

David Weiman| Barnard College, Columbia University

Scott A. Weir| Unaffilliated

Mark Weisbrot| Center for Economic and Policy Research

Charles Weise| Gettysburg College

Thomas Weisskopf| University of Michigan

Ralph Whitehead| University of Massachusetts–Amherst

Jeannette Wicks-Lim| University of Massachusetts Amherst

Roger Wilkins| Campaign for America’s Future

John Willoughby| American University

Martin H. Wolfson| University of Notre Dame

Yavuz Yasar| University of Denver

June Zaccone| National Jobs for All Coalition

Ajit Zacharias| Levy Economics Institute

David Zalewski| Providence College

James M. Zelenski| Regis University

Michael Zimmerman| University of Colorado

Frederick Zimmerman| University of California Los Angeles

Ben Zipperer| University of Massachusetts–Amherst


Civic and Labor Leaders

Deepak Bhargava| Center for Community Change

Jeff Blum| USAction

James Boland| International Union of Bricklayers and Allied Craftworkers

Robert Borosage| Campaign for America’s Future

Anna Burger| Former Secretary-Treasurer, SEIU

Darcy Burner| Progressive Congress Action Fund

Nancy Duff Campbell| National Women’s Law Center

Rea Carey| National Gay and Lesbian Task Force Action Fund

Ashley Carson| Older Women’s League

Larry Cohen| Communications Workers of America

Darryl Fagin| Americans for Democratic Action, Inc.

Rabbi Michael Feinberg| Greater New York Labor-Religion Coalition

Mark Friedman| Third Culture

Leo Gerard| United Steelworkers of America

Robert Greenwald| Brave New Films

Mary Kay Henry| Service Employees International Union

Roger Hickey | Campaign for America’s Future

Michael Huttner| ProgressNow

Rev Jesse Jackson| Rainbow-PUSH Coalition

Avis Jones-DeWeever| National Council of Negro Women

Bob King| United Auto Workers Union

Joan Kuriansky| Wider Opportunities for Women

Antonio Lodico| Mon Valley Unemployed Committee

Meizhu Lui| Closing the Racial Wealth Gap, Insight Center for Community Economic Development

Ben Manski| Liberty Tree Foundation

Don Mathis| Community Action Partnership

Gerald McEntee| American Federation of State County and Municipal Employees

Brian Miller| United for a Fair Economy

Terry O’Neill| National Organization for Women

Robert Patrician| Communications Workers of America

Miles Rapoport| Dēmos

Charles Rodgers| New Community Fund

Justin Ruben| MoveOn.org

Steven Schwartz| Ballot Initiative Strategy Center

Karen See| Coalition of Labor Union Women

Hilary Shelton | NAACP

Curtis Skinner| National Center for Children in Poverty

Ted Smukler| Interfaith Worker Justice

Margery Tabankin| The Streisand Foundation

Scott Wallace| Wallace Global Fund

Deborah Weinstein| Coalition on Human Needs

Michael J. Wilson| Americans for Democratic Action


State Civic Leaders

Betty Ahrens| Iowa Citizen Action Network

Gerard Bradley| New Mexico Voices for Children

Linda Brown| Arizona Advocacy Network

Bless Burke| Western North Carolina Workers' Center

Simone Campbell| NETWORK, A National Catholic Social Justice Lobby

Sarah Chaisson Warner| New Hampshire Citizens Alliance for Action

Melba Collins| Arkansas Interfaith Committee for Worker Justice

Lynda DeLaforgue| Citizen Action/Illinois

Rion Dennis| Progressive Maryland

Adrienne Evans| United Action for Idaho

Linda Garding| North Dakota People.org

Debra Gardner| Public Justice Center

Rebekah Gienapp| Workers Interfaith Network (Memphis, Tenn.)

Jesse Graham| Maine People's Alliance

Jill Harrington| Ocean State Action

Alice Hoffman| Pa. Alliance of Retired Americans

Nancy Holle| Community, Faith and Labor Coalition

Janice "Jay" Johnson| Viginia Organizing

Jonathan Klein| Clergy and Laity United for Economic Justice (CLUE-LA)

Robert Kraig| Citizen Action of Wisconsin

Mary Mancini| Tennessee Citizen Action

Craig McMahon| Step Safe

Bill Moyer| Backbone Campaign

Bill Newton| Florida Citizen Action Group

Anne Nolan| Candidate for Minnesota State Representative, District 15A

Brian O'Shaughnessy| Labor-Religion Coalition of New York State

Will Pittz| Washington Community Action Network

Tom Rankin| California Alliance for Retired Americans

Brian Rothenberg| ProgressOhio

Phyllis Salowe-Kaye| New Jersey Citizen Action

Joel Scott| Detroit Federation of Teachers

Nicholas Segura Jr.| International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers LU569

Eric Sklar| Vice Mayor, St. Helena, Calif.

Marc Stier| Penn Action

Tom Swan| Connecticut Citizen Action Group

Linda Teeter| Michigan Citizen Action

Ron Williams| Oregon Action

Gary Zuckett| West Virginia Citizen Action Group

[FORD]

*hic*

[sadaist]

revenue can be raised by taxing activities we want to discourage.


Fuck off!

[GAR]

I'd say at this point, let's fuck up the banks and raise the interest rates instead on the lending.

But Obama won't do it, that's why he's got Geithner in there so he doesn't go down like Jimmy Carter hiking that shit up to 20 percent. He wants the Republicans to take the hit for jacking the interest rates and I told you all this shit would happen back in 2008 on DDLR and all I got from you was "racist."

Fix it: vote independant every chance you get and don't buy all that fear-shit off Fox and PMSNBC

[vh rides again]

Damn! all that and not one word about the failed programs like THE WAR ON DRUGS, IMMIGRATION/ILLEGALS, NAFTA.

[ZahZoo]

Got to agree... jobs growth should be the top priority. Extending the Bush tax cuts or even cutting taxes further is another key factor.

Job growth will increase tax revenue faster than anything. Thus helping the deficit. Tax cuts will spur investment and spending... which generally leads to job growth.

Simple logic... you don't make an engine run faster and more efficiently by starving it of fuel...

[BigBadBrian]

Got to agree... jobs growth should be the top priority. Extending the Bush tax cuts or even cutting taxes further is another key factor.

Job growth will increase tax revenue faster than anything. Thus helping the deficit. Tax cuts will spur investment and spending... which generally leads to job growth.

Simple logic... you don't make an engine run faster and more efficiently by starving it of fuel...

Well said! Somebody with some common economical sense.

[ELVIS]

I'd say the information above is not out of reach for Obama to understand and implement, he's a smart guy, no doubt...

But I don't think his administration or the powers that be are interested in any of this...

[ELVIS]

you don't make an engine run faster and more efficiently by starving it of fuel...

Liberal spending and policies suggest that you do...

[BigBadBrian]

I'd say the information above is not out of reach for Obama to understand and implement, he's a smart guy, no doubt...

But I don't think his administration or the powers that be are interested in any of this...



Joe Biden believes we should spend, spend, spend.

$111 million of Stimulus money was spent in LA to produce a whopping 55 jobs. Smart use of our tax dollars, Barack!

[ELVIS]

Distributing wealth...

[FORD]

Got to agree... jobs growth should be the top priority. Extending the Bush tax cuts or even cutting taxes further is another key factor.

Job growth will increase tax revenue faster than anything. Thus helping the deficit. Tax cuts will spur investment and spending... which generally leads to job growth.

Simple logic... you don't make an engine run faster and more efficiently by starving it of fuel...

If tax cuts for the rich leads to job growth, then where the Hell are all the jobs that should have been created since Chimpy gave tax "cuts" to rich tax dodgers in 2001?

There are none, of course.

And the reason is simple. The rich already HAVE money to spend or invest. Tax cuts for the working class would provide a very temporary "stimulus" to the economy, because they DO usually spend "extra" money. How many people make their major purchases in the Spring, right after they get their refund checks back from the IRS?

But that doesn't apply to the ultra rich. They always have money to spend. They have money to spend NOW, and they aren't using it to create any jobs. At least not in THIS country.

Trickle down economics does not work. 30 years of a downward economic death spiral proves that beyond all doubt.

[FORD]

Damn! all that and not one word about the failed programs like THE WAR ON DRUGS, IMMIGRATION/ILLEGALS, NAFTA.

Let alone how those three issues are connected. Legalize drugs and repeal NAFTA, and the two main reasons Mexicans jump the border would be eliminated.

[Nitro Express]

Obama is a Marxist. He doesn't care about small business which by the way creates most the jobs. He talks about helping them but his healthcare law and the cap and trade he wants to pass will destroy small business.

He's either stupid to how economies work or he has an agenda to purposely ruin the US economically. Things are so bad with him the main focus politically is cleaning house in the US Congress so we can defund parts of the healthcare law, tie Obama up as much as we can and then get rid of him in 2012.

Once he's gone we can focus on repealing what him and Bush have done.

As far as paying off the huge deficit, it's so huge the govt. might have to inflate the US Dollar to pay it down. You can reduce huge debts by reducing the value of the currency and if the currency becomes worth zero you get rid of all the debt because the multiplier becomes zero. This is why huge debt is never good and the people who get it are getting out of US Dollar securities.

Obama is just going to continue to dig a huge hole and doesn't care what you or me or 300 economist say. The US public put a madman into office and now are paying the price.

[Nitro Express]

The US has become a huge debtor nation to foreign countries. What happens if we default? War. Now we won't have to pay the debt if we can defeat our creditors militarily. If we nuked China and Japan then there would be nobody to pay. Or we can trade vast amounts of federal land to pay off the debt. How much is Yellowstone National Park worth? Or Yosemite? Or the Grand Canyon? Most of Nevada is federal land. We could give those to China to settle the debt or we can duke it out. Or we can just inflate the US Dollar and then pay the debt off with vast amounts of printed worthless dollar. Those are the three options and only options.

[Dr. Love]

People making $250k or more a year don't need tax breaks. That is, until I make that much, and then get your damn hands off my money!

[Carloscda]

Obama is a Marxist. He doesn't care about small business which by the way creates most the jobs. He talks about helping them but his healthcare law and the cap and trade he wants to pass will destroy small business.

He's either stupid to how economies work or he has an agenda to purposely ruin the US economically. Things are so bad with him the main focus politically is cleaning house in the US Congress so we can defund parts of the healthcare law, tie Obama up as much as we can and then get rid of him in 2012.

Once he's gone we can focus on repealing what him and Bush have done.

As far as paying off the huge deficit, it's so huge the govt. might have to inflate the US Dollar to pay it down. You can reduce huge debts by reducing the value of the currency and if the currency becomes worth zero you get rid of all the debt because the multiplier becomes zero. This is why huge debt is never good and the people who get it are getting out of US Dollar securities.

Obama is just going to continue to dig a huge hole and doesn't care what you or me or 300 economist say. The US public put a madman into office and now are paying the price.

Your kidding right??!!

It just amazes me how Obama is negative name under the sun vs someone who is trying to help!!
To put his name next to Bush just shows me You have no clue!! What he & Bush has done to us, You mean what Bush did!!

Wars cost money!! In war video games perfect examples of how much money it takes to fund a war.
He lied us into the Iraq war and now look where we're at!! Common sense should tell you fighting 2 wars, where is all that money coming from??!!

I guess you & people alike just don't get that this is not going to be an overnight, over yr fix!! Took yrs to get in this mess & will take yrs to get out PERIOD!!

[FORD]

To say Obama is a Marxist is completely ridiculo us. Very much the opposite, really. He's actually trying to save capitalism. Problem is that capitalism as it now exists in this country (unregulated predatory capitalism) IS what's killing this country.

Small business cannot compete when most business sectors of any kind are dominated by 4 or 5 huge multinational corporations. Unless the regulations FDR put in place to save this country are completely restored, that will continue to be the case.

And Obama needs to start listening to advice from folks like these 300 people, and stop listening to Wall $treet fuckwits like Robert Rubin, Larry Summers, and Timmy the Inbred Elf Dentist.

[Nitro Express]

To say Obama is a Marxist is completely ridiculo us. Very much the opposite, really. He's actually trying to save capitalism. Problem is that capitalism as it now exists in this country (unregulated predatory capitalism) IS what's killing this country.

Small business cannot compete when most business sectors of any kind are dominated by 4 or 5 huge multinational corporations. Unless the regulations FDR put in place to save this country are completely restored, that will continue to be the case.

And Obama needs to start listening to advice from folks like these 300 people, and stop listening to Wall $treet fuckwits like Robert Rubin, Larry Summers, and Timmy the Inbred Elf Dentist.

Obama subscribes to the government redistrubing wealth and that is a total Marxist ideal but who he gives the regulating power to behind the scenes is corporate interests so that makes him what is termed a Marxist/Fascists. Instead of having an upper echelon of government officials which are in charge like the old Soviet System it is putting Oligarchs in charge who the average person has no idea who they are.

So what you are defining as capitalism Ford is actually monopoly. What is interesting is I went to the Soviet Union in 1978 with my parents and uncle. We had to attend a class on how communism would win over capitalism and they said capitalism becomes a monopoly in the end and then it goes communist. So they were right. We are on the way there.

I took a lot of economics classes in college and that is the big problem that neither system addresses well. When huge monopolies happen the government needs to step in and break them up but if the government becomes too regulating he government itself becomes the tyrant. What has happened in the US is the government and corporate interests have merged so that is fascism and it's a tyranny.

So Obama is more of a fascist since he's selective in what industries he goes after. If he was a true Marxist he would throw George Soros in a gulag and take his billions.

[Nitro Express]

Your kidding right??!!

It just amazes me how Obama is negative name under the sun vs someone who is trying to help!!
To put his name next to Bush just shows me You have no clue!! What he & Bush has done to us, You mean what Bush did!!

Wars cost money!! In war video games perfect examples of how much money it takes to fund a war.
He lied us into the Iraq war and now look where we're at!! Common sense should tell you fighting 2 wars, where is all that money coming from??!!

I guess you & people alike just don't get that this is not going to be an overnight, over yr fix!! Took yrs to get in this mess & will take yrs to get out PERIOD!!

Yeah Obama really helped us by signing that horrid healthcare bill into law which will only make the existing problems worse. Not to mention it sets up 150 additional government agencies and empowers the IRS even more. I see it as an extension of what the Patriot Act is. More government intrusion. Now not only can you go to jail for the rest of your life without trial for being suspected as a terrorist you can go to jail for not buying inflated health insurance. Did you notice how much the premiums went up immediately after the bill went into law? Not to mention how the banks jacked rates after we bailed them out and Obama did nothing.

Obama is as bad as Bush, he's just going to pull some troops out right before he comes up for reelection. Plus, the guy has wasted way more money than Bush or any other president ever has. Trying to fix things. Give me a fucking break. He could start with throwing Timothy Geitner into jail for tax evasion.

[Nitro Express]

Anyways, it amazes me the Obama sets up class warfare while he bends over to investment bankers on Wall Street. Since the connected rich like Tiny Tim seem to get away with paying no income tax under this president it should make people question why. This guy is out to ruin small business and small farms. He doesn't want anyone to be self-sufficient. He wants the corporate controlled government to run everything with the oligarchs exempt from any of the rules the rest of us have to follow. It's the same old game that has gone on for a long time but now the situation is desperate and Obama is only making things worse by spending record amounts of money bailing out crooks and sticking the pubic with the bill.

[Nitro Express]

There's two kinds of rich people. The ones who start companies and create jobs and the ones who hoard the wealth and send it overseas. Guess where much of the Obama TARP money has gone. Not here.

[Nitro Express]

But to be fair. Bush was going to give our ports to foreigners and he was sure pushing that North American corridor. Maybe Bush was the smart one. He got out right after the subprime/derivative fiasco hit and Obama was stuck with the shitty mess.

[Nitro Express]

If we were practicing pure capitalism we would have let the banks fail. Chase, Wells Fargo, Goldman Sachs, Bank of America, General Motors would all be gone. Along with them would go the derivatives that caused the mess and many people would not have to pay debt because the institution is now gone. What would be left would be the solvent survivors. What we have done is bailed all this out, kept the derivative scams going, and sacked future generations with trillions of dollars of debt and another derivative bubble with crash it again.

This is not capitalism because the big losers never fail, their friends in the government stick the loses on everyone else and the great Obama is part of this game.

[Mushroom]

the economists and capitalists love to measure by "growth" and they say the solution to our problems is growth. the politicians say growth. growth is the basis of most business models. growth growth growth. we want more growth. growth means more jobs. growth means more consumption. all we have to do to satisfy everybody is to keep growing.

[bueno bob]

Trickle down economics does not work. 30 years of a downward economic death spiral proves that beyond all doubt.

Anybody who thinks trickle down economics (or any other half-witted, numbskull dumbfuck treasonous Reagan policy) worked at all is far too stupid to be involved in politics. I think that oughta be obvious by now.

[Nitro Express]

I graduated in finance and minored in international marketing. I then worked for Dean Witter, Hewlett-Packard, and American Express. What I saw in my experience was American corporations had five year vision. Short-term. Hewlett-Packard was a whirlwind because we were dealing with six month product life cycles there.

In business school in my case studies I actually discovered growing big for the sake of growing big brought the end to many companies. You can over expose your brand, every time your open a new retail outlet your management problems grow logrithmicly and the quality tends to go to pot. Of course it's a mix of factors and each business is different.

What's going on now is the big losers get bailed out and they know they will be so why manage anything well? Why people even bank at the big banks is beyond me. I don't get why the American public does business with horrible companies that rip them off and then their taxes go to bail them out when they fail. It's insane.

[Nitro Express]

Anybody who thinks trickle down economics (or any other half-witted, numbskull dumbfuck treasonous Reagan policy) worked at all is far too stupid to be involved in politics. I think that oughta be obvious by now.

So giving all the power to the government is going to make it any better? At least in the free market you have more choice. If it's not trickling down then you quit and work somewhere where it does or work for yourself. I would say it depends on the employer and amazingly some of the worst companies to work for are the ones the government bails out or turns a blind eye to their activities.

I grew up in the real estate business and as things stand now people are worse to deal with than they were 30 years ago. In that industry alone you can see the increase of greed and not being able to trust anyone on their word anymore. Now it's what you can get away with and that state of mind has infiltrated everything and when you have levels of corruption in society that widespread everything becomes fucked. I see this as the major problem. You can't trust anyone.

[Nitro Express]

My grandfather used to do million dollar deals on a handshake. Try that now. Only a fool would do it.

[Steve Savicki]

Perhaps jobs will take care of the deficit problem more that tackling the issue alone...

[Unchainme]

Perhaps jobs will take care of the deficit problem more that tackling the issue alone...

STFU steve..go back to playing with your jem dolls.

[Nitro Express]

I'd say the information above is not out of reach for Obama to understand and implement, he's a smart guy, no doubt...

But I don't think his administration or the powers that be are interested in any of this...

Behind Obama are 43 people who wield enormous power who head various govt. agencies who are not accountable to the US Congress (not that the US Congress currently would do anything to stop them). It's pretty clear to me Obama never read the health care bill he signed into law.

Is Obama smart? I think he's well rehearsed and polished. Most politicians aren't very smart outside of the games they have to play to get reelected. Then you have some actual smart people who are politically naive. I would say the last real smart president we had was JFK and then Eisenhower before him. Probably the last president we had that was actually in charge was Clinton. Bill as corrupt as he was was running the presidency. Bush wasn't and neither is Obama.

[Nitro Express]

I think regarding jobs we need to add productive to jobs. The government can put us all to work. It can create endless jobs and pay you with script it prints or use force to make you work. Here's a wonderful example.

[Nitro Express]

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[Nitro Express]

And let's not forget the wonderful quality of consumer goods that come from the so called Worker's Paradise.

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[BigBadBrian]

I would say the last real smart president we had was JFK and then Eisenhower before him.



Kennedy was a fiscal conservative who would be vilified by the Left today!

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[BigBadBrian]

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[BigBadBrian]

People making $250k or more a year don't need tax breaks.

Doc, I'll come clean with you: I always pretty much had respect for what you post here, despite my usually successful atempts to piss you off sometimes.

However, I urge you to take a break from writing code and reading economics instead, particularly on what tax breaks and increases historically do to the American economy.

Then compare that to the free for all spending that has gone on in the last two administrations.

[FORD]

If JFK were with us today, he would definitely be for ending the Chimp tax "cuts" for tax dodging millionaires & billionaires. Probably the Reagan tax "cuts" as well. Possibly even his own, given the circumstances.

The difference between JFK's tax cuts and those of the two BCE puppets Reagan & Chimpy is this: Kennedy's tax cuts were not accompanied by massive deregulation and ridiculous increases in the "defense" budget. If it were up to me, I'd roll the taxes back to where Eisenhower had them. After closing all the loopholes. At least until a true economic recovery takes place. Then it could be reevaluated. But simply stated, the top 2% have not paid their fair share of taxes for decades, and we have all seen the results.

But restoring the FDR reforms that protected this country for half a century is what is truly needed right now. And I believe JFK would be reminding his fellow rich folks to "ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country", if he were among us today.

[ZahZoo]

Liberal spending and policies suggest that you do...

Well like anyone with a minimal concept of mechanics they'll soon learn that running it lean wide open will fry the intake and output valves leading to catastrophic failure...

[Nickdfresh]

Obama subscribes to the government redistrubing wealth and that is a total Marxist ideal but who he gives the regulating power....

You have no fucking idea what you are talking about. Obama isn't a "Marxist," or gov't would be seizing all large industries. Look up "Keynesian," (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keynesian_economics) and get back to us...

[Nickdfresh]

Kennedy was a fiscal conservative who would be vilified by the Left today!

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Obama also "cut taxes," and IS cutting taxes for most middle class house holds. Ronald Regan once raised taxes...

[FORD]

Ronald Regan once raised taxes...

Well, yeah, but in fairness, he forgot all about it a week later. :biggrin:

[Nitro Express]

Kennedy was a fiscal conservative who would be vilified by the Left today!

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It shows you how much the Democrats have lost their way since then. In hindsight Kennedy was trying to do the right things. He had the balls to take the CIA and Federal Reserve on, he was concerned about getting too involved in Vietnam. He understood fractional reserve banking was dangerous and put too much power in too few hands. Hey, and when he had affairs, they were some of the most beautiful and sought after women ever. He wasn't fucking chubby interns and dribbling on the dress.

[Nitro Express]

You have no fucking idea what you are talking about. Obama isn't a "Marxist," or gov't would be seizing all large industries. Look up "Keynesian," (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keynesian_economics) and get back to us...

Read the healthcare law. Obama basically seized the whole healthcare industry. The government has taken over the home mortgage industry as well. Not too mentions banks, insurance and oh yeah, 60% of General Motors.

[Nitro Express]

It can be debated whether the government has taken over large industries or whether large industries through their lobbying have taken over the government. But what's the difference? In the end it means we the people are have less choice and pay higher prices and taxes in the end result of either.

[Nickdfresh]

Read the healthcare law. Obama basically seized the whole healthcare industry. The government has taken over the home mortgage industry as well. Not too mentions banks, insurance and oh yeah, 60% of General Motors.

Okay, why don't you read it first? Since all health care providers are still privately owned and the system is far from nationalized. Even Canada doesn't have true "socialized medicine," they have a "socialized insurance pool" actually...

People throw around these terms like "Marxism" and "socialism" without the slightest idea as to what they actually mean...

[Nickdfresh]

It can be debated whether the government has taken over large industries or whether large industries through their lobbying have taken over the government. But what's the difference? In the end it means we the people are have less choice and pay higher prices and taxes in the end result of either.

The difference would be that industry has taken over the gov't to an extent with legalized bribery euphemistically referred to as "lobbying." We certainly do not live under socialism, we actually live under the exact opposite: plutocracy...

[ELVIS]

So, your definition of lobbying is legalized bribery ??

[Nitro Express]

The difference would be that industry has taken over the gov't to an extent with legalized bribery euphemistically referred to as "lobbying." We certainly do not live under socialism, we actually live under the exact opposite: plutocracy...

Basically we are ruled by The Federal Reserve and connected investment banks like Goldman Sachs. I get that but if you listen to Obama he is a total resdistribute weath guy which is a Marxist ideal. I think he does this because he actually believes it or his voting base is composed of people who want to sock it to the rich. The thing is the big bankers won't have their wealth touched at all, in fact, it will increase. So we have a Marxist working for the oligarchs. As far as Keynsian economics goes, it's a system that believes severe economic downturns can be avoided if the government steps in and spends money it doesn't have. As we can now clearly see, it doesn't work.

So is it real Marxism? No. It's fascism because the investment banks and private Federal Reserve have merged with the government instead of the government being a sepparate regulating arm. But Obama's redistribution of wealth philosophy is clearly Marxist.

So things aren't cut and dry or black and white. I would say the behind the scenes reality is indeed plutocracy at very high levels and it's international. But then look at the Soviet Union. Was it really communism? The high officials all seemed to be more equal than others. So in many ways these labels are all flawed to a degree.

[BigBadBrian]

Obama also "cut taxes," and IS cutting taxes for most middle class house holds.

Bullshit on Obama.

All he's doing is extending Bush's tax cuts, falsely trying to give America the impression they are his tax cuts.

What a lying cunt!

[FORD]

So, your definition of lobbying is legalized bribery ??

What else would you call it?

[Nitro Express]

Bush, Obama and their backers are after the same thing. Putting all the power in very few hands and the American people be damned.

[ELVIS]

What else would you call it?

A neccessary tool for gonvernment...

[FORD]

Lobbyist representing people may or may not be necessary. Lobbyists representing corporations should not exist.

[ELVIS]

Why, because BCE corporations are destroying the earth and society as we know it ??

[Nickdfresh]

Basically we are ruled by The Federal Reserve and connected investment banks like Goldman Sachs. I get that but if you listen to Obama he is a total resdistribute weath guy which is a Marxist ideal.....

So your hair-brained theories make no sense whatsoever because of complete internal contradictions?

[Nickdfresh]

Bullshit on Obama.

All he's doing is extending Bush's tax cuts, falsely trying to give America the impression they are his tax cuts.

What a lying cunt!

So, no matter what, you hate Obama because he's black?

[ELVIS]

No matter what, I love Obama because he's black.

What a dork...


:elvis:

[BigBadBrian]

So, no matter what, you hate Obama because he's black?

How in the hell did you ever come up with that with what I posted?

[Nickdfresh]

You're overall attitude and trolling bullshit....

[hambon4lif]

You're overall attitude and trolling bullshit....

"You are overall attitude and trolling bullshit"
WTF??!?

....and you've taught children?

Shame on you, Nick!!

[FORD]

Why, because BCE corporations are destroying the earth and society as we know it ??

Well, actually, yes. And the economy. And the middle class. But you left out the "AND". It's the BCE **AND** corporations. Not all corporations are BCE, though the "defense" industry, the oil companies, and the whore media might as well be. The rest of them are merely greedy bastards.

[GAR]

So, no matter what, you hate Obama because he's black?

Why do you hate Obama Nick? So what if he's black. Stop the HATE

[GAR]

If JFK were with us today, he would definitely be for ending the Chimp tax "cuts" for tax dodging millionaires & billionaires.

Why do you lie so much? Were you born to a family of liars that you won't stop fibbing? Quit "what Kennedy would do" projecting: hindsight shows he was a lousy president.. so nobody cares what you would revise Kennedy as saying or doing.

You're cuntpletely wrong BTW: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_cut




In recent decades, most "supply-siders (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supply-side_economics)" in the United States (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States) have been Republicans (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Republican_Party) (though a significant individual tax cut was proposed by President John F. Kennedy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_F._Kennedy) from the Democratic Party (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Party_%28United_States%29) and passed by a Democrat led congress) with the belief that cutting the tax rate would stimulate investment and spending, with overall beneficial effects (including replenishment of some lost tax revenues)


http://www.heritage.org/Research/Reports/2007/01/Ten-Myths-About-the-Bush-Tax-Cuts

[Nitro Express]

Lobbyist representing people may or may not be necessary. Lobbyists representing corporations should not exist.

No. The real lobbyist should be the American voter. Maybe we are going back to that. People are pretty damn pissed now. Someone asked me what political party I belong to and I said the Pissed Off Party.

[FORD]

Why do you lie so much? Were you born to a family of liars that you won't stop fibbing?
http://www.heritage.org/Research/Reports/2007/01/Ten-Myths-About-the-Bush-Tax-Cuts

Accusing someone of lying, while quoting the "Heritage Foundation", which exists for the sole purpose of lying.

Go die in a fire, GAyR. And take the Heritage Foundation with you.

[Nitro Express]

Speaking of lying. How's your giant guitar collection at your beach house Gar?

[Nickdfresh]

"You are overall attitude and trolling bullshit"
WTF??!?

....and you've taught children?

Shame on you, Nick!!

I've never claimed to have taught anything useful, Handjobforfood...

[Nickdfresh]

Why do you hate Obama Nick? So what if he's black. Stop the HATE

Retard...

[ULTRAMAN VH]

Yeah Obama really helped us by signing that horrid healthcare bill into law which will only make the existing problems worse. Not to mention it sets up 150 additional government agencies and empowers the IRS even more. I see it as an extension of what the Patriot Act is. More government intrusion. Now not only can you go to jail for the rest of your life without trial for being suspected as a terrorist you can go to jail for not buying inflated health insurance. Did you notice how much the premiums went up immediately after the bill went into law? Not to mention how the banks jacked rates after we bailed them out and Obama did nothing.

Obama is as bad as Bush, he's just going to pull some troops out right before he comes up for reelection. Plus, the guy has wasted way more money than Bush or any other president ever has. Trying to fix things. Give me a fucking break. He could start with throwing Timothy Geitner into jail for tax evasion.

Examiner Editorial: Obamacare is even worse than critics thought
Examiner Editorial
September 22, 2010
Much more has been revealed about Obamacare since President Obama, Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi pushed the bill on Americans six months ago. (J. Scott Applewhite/AP file)
Six months ago, President Obama, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi rammed Obamacare down the throats of an unwilling American public. Half a year removed from the unprecedented legislative chicanery and backroom dealing that characterized the bill's passage, we know much more about the bill than we did then. A few of the revelations:

» Obamacare won't decrease health care costs for the government. According to Medicare's actuary, it will increase costs. The same is likely to happen for privately funded health care.

» As written, Obamacare covers elective abortions, contrary to Obama's promise that it wouldn't. This means that tax dollars will be used to pay for a procedure millions of Americans across the political spectrum view as immoral. Supposedly, the Department of Health and Human Services will bar abortion coverage with new regulations but these will likely be tied up for years in litigation, and in the end may not survive the court challenge.

» Obamacare won't allow employees or most small businesses to keep the coverage they have and like. By Obama's estimates, as many as 69 percent of employees, 80 percent of small businesses, and 64 percent of large businesses will be forced to change coverage, probably to more expensive plans.

» Obamacare will increase insurance premiums -- in some places, it already has. Insurers, suddenly forced to cover clients' children until age 26, have little choice but to raise premiums, and they attribute to Obamacare's mandates a 1 to 9 percent increase. Obama's only method of preventing massive rate increases so far has been to threaten insurers.

» Obamacare will force seasonal employers -- especially the ski and amusement park industries -- to pay huge fines, cut hours, or lay off employees.

» Obamacare forces states to guarantee not only payment but also treatment for indigent Medicaid patients. With many doctors now refusing to take Medicaid (because they lose money doing so), cash-strapped states could be sued and ordered to increase reimbursement rates beyond their means.

» Obamacare imposes a huge nonmedical tax compliance burden on small business. It will require them to mail IRS 1099 tax forms to every vendor from whom they make purchases of more than $600 in a year, with duplicate forms going to the Internal Revenue Service. Like so much else in the 2,500-page bill, our senators and representatives were apparently unaware of this when they passed the measure.

» Obamacare allows the IRS to confiscate part or all of your tax refund if you do not purchase a qualified insurance plan. The bill funds 16,000 new IRS agents to make sure Americans stay in line.

If you wonder why so many American voters are angry, and no longer give Obama the benefit of the doubt on a variety of issues, you need look no further than Obamacare, whose birthday gift to America might just be a GOP congressional majority.