The Recording Thread

[BigBadBrian]

I want to record and I'll admit I don't know jack shit about most of it.

Line6, Protools, Sweetwater, etc....fuck, those sites have so much info on them one doesn't know where to start.

Maybe some of you would care to brag about your setups, ie. hardware and software?

jhale, I know we bust each others chops in the Frontline, but I really do have a serious amount of respect for you in the guitar dept. You too, Sesh. Elvis and all you others?

Bassists and drummers welcome! :)

[jhale667]

I want to record and I'll admit I don't know jack shit about most of it.

Line6, Protools, Sweetwater, etc....fuck, those sites have so much info on them one doesn't know where to start.

Maybe some of you would care to brag about your setups, ie. hardware and software?

jhale, I know we bust each others chops in the Frontline, but I really do have a serious amount of respect for you in the guitar dept. You too, Sesh. Elvis and all you others?

Bassists and drummers welcome! :)

Well, OK - since you put it that way... ;)


I'd strongly suggest looking into Pro Tools LE8 (if you're looking to add it to your existing system and not buy a stand-alone HD set-up with a separate Mac, etc). I'm using LE8 with an M-Box II setup on my PC. There IS kind of a learning curve at first, especially if you've never done digital recording before (I'd only dabbled in other programs), so take tons of notes when you watch the tutorial video, but once you figure out the basics and get your system up and running, you'll love it. Plus it's still the industry standard, so anything you record as a .PTF can be taken to ANY commercial studio anywhere and they can pull it and work with it without time con$uming file transfers and crap like that.

I'm contemplating upgrading my system's MB and processor soon, but it works fine on anything P4 (what I'm currently running) or better. You'll need an external HD for your session files (as they can be 1GB each easily), definitely get a Firewire one so you don't have lag issues with that part of it.

As for amp emulation, there's a bunch of routes you could go, but I'm having a blast with Line 6 PODfarm (also using their UX-2 interface). Tons of (expandable) guitar and bass amp emulations to be had, and they all sound pretty decent - especially if you replace their speaker emulation with those from a program (I've also turned DJ on to) called Recabinet. Their cabs sound better than Line 6's IMO, making your whole project sound better.

Just do some research, figure out what you need (and if the system you currently have can take it) and if you can do it on your existing computer system, you can probably come up with a very functional system for not a ton of cash, probably right around/just over a grand if you need studio monitors and whatnot. YMMV.

Best of luck! :baaa:

[Diamondjimi]

Speaking for myself, I found that when using an external HD for storage as I progressed through my sessions and the track count grew as well as the amount of CPU used for driving all my VST's slowed and made the "real time" stutter" from the demands put on a 2.0 USB port.
I solved this by mounting my storage drive internally via ribbon connection direct to the motherboard port, thus eliminating the transfer rate of a USB port. It makes all the difference when stacking up 30-40 tracks + all the VST's running... ;)

[jhale667]

Speaking for myself, I found that when using an external HD for storage as I progressed through my sessions and the track count grew as well as the amount of CPU used for driving all my VST's slowed and made the "real time" stutter" from the demands put on a 2.0 USB port.
I solved this by mounting my storage drive internally via ribbon connection direct to the motherboard port, thus eliminating the transfer rate of a USB port. It makes all the difference when stacking up 30-40 tracks + all the VST's running... ;)


Yeah, of course you could always use a separate internal drive (meant to mention that), but the Firewire external ones are still faster (and less taxing) than USB 2.0.
Plus it's easier to unplug your external FW drive as opposed to cranking up to take your whole system with you to a session. ;)

[jhale667]

And just 'cause I keeps it real: :cool:


DJ's the one who could actually conduct a tutorial on this subject though...the dude knows his shit! :baaa:


:guitar:

[Reverberator]

I got good results with my gnx , only thing is is the protracks software is dodgy. Maybe time for a change for me too.

[VanHalenFan5150]

My Peavey amp has a really clean sounding USB out to it, but I only use that when I don't want to wake anyone up. Otherwise I use this really nice Samson mic that I bought a while back... For recording I use Audacity, which, given the circumstances, is a good tool to start off with... I'm good with Pro Tools though!

[Diamondjimi]

Yeah, of course you could always use a separate internal drive (meant to mention that), but the Firewire external ones are still faster (and less taxing) than USB 2.0.
Plus it's easier to unplug your external FW drive as opposed to cranking up to take your whole system with you to a session. ;)

True, Firewire is the shizzle for that type of connection.

Benchmarks show that the sustained data transfer rates are higher for FireWire than for USB 2.0, but lower than USB 3.0. Results are marked on Apple Mac OS X but more varied on Microsoft Windows.[
Linky (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firewire)


And just 'cause I keeps it real: :cool:


DJ's the one who could actually conduct a tutorial on this subject though...the dude knows his shit! :baaa:


:guitar:

Awe shucks, thanks Brutha...:0

[Seshmeister]

I fucked up by not going with Firewire, I strongly recommend you use that rather than attempt to use USB - the cards are now dirt cheap.

I think it's going to be superceded by USB3 but it will take quite a time for that to filter through.

[jhale667]

I fucked up by not going with Firewire, I strongly recommend you use that rather than attempt to use USB - the cards are now dirt cheap.

I think it's going to be superceded by USB3 but it will take quite a time for that to filter through.

True, I wanted a couple of extra FW ports in addition to the main one on my MB, so I picked up a card w/2 external and one internal port & 4 more USB 2.0 's for like $20....

[indeedido]

So I shouldn't be using my shoebox tape recorder to do my demos? One track isn't cool? LOL

[jhale667]

I got good results with my gnx , only thing is is the protracks software is dodgy. Maybe time for a change for me too.

A friend of mine uses his GNX into Cubase with decent results...



So I shouldn't be using my shoebox tape recorder to do my demos? One track isn't cool? LOL

One track is awesome until you want to double-track or layer something, then well...not so much... :hee:

[neuralfraud]

If you want to record, you'll never learn everything, so forget about that!

Start with basic equipment.

Good microphones? Good sound.

Good mixing board? again, good sound.

Bad audio interface? no audio interface?

There is one thing you need to know about computer recording - ASIO. You are going to have to get a dedicated audio recording interface, be it something simple like a 2-in, 2-out, or a 4,6,8,10+ channel interface, these are important because while you *can* record through your computer's built in audio, there is a high latency to it. Chances also are that if your sound chip really sucks, when you try to play over another track, the newly recorded track will be out of sync. Wonderful.

Also, bits, and sample rate.. wtf? Makes a huge difference though!

Most digital recording interfaces are 24bits, some even 32-bit. Your onboard audio may be 16-bit tops. That is 16 bits or 2 bytes of data for each sample your system records, that is, probably 44.1kHz. This is good enough to play back "cd-quality" audio, but not good enough for recording. why? the more bits you have, the more dynamic range you can record, the more information, the better, because after all, you're going to master it, apply EQ, etc, and the higher quality the recording, the btter the end-result will be, even after it's been mixed down to 44k and 16-bit audio, because the recording software will determine the best bits to keep, so to say, or use dithering which can make the audio seem more brilliant than it really is.

In a nutshell, you want at least a solid 24-bit / 96kHz interface to acheive good results. Try to avoid audio interfaces with mixing consoles built in, all you want is a solid audio interface with quality preamps, xlr inputs and/or balanced TRS inputs. Use a regular mixing console if you have one (assuming you're recording something like drums)

As others have described, firewire interfaces are very good. Firewire supports 400 or 800 megabits/sec which is to say, plenty of bandwidth for many digitized audio streams.

USB is a second-rate option in my opinion.

Lastly, PCI or PCIe cards, if you plan to use a dedicated PC for this, might as well find a PCI/PCIe interface, face it - nothing is going to be faster or more precise than something directly connected to your PCI bus. I personally use a M-Audio delta card, with a breakout box that has balanced TRC inputs/outputs. Supports 24/192 and sounds good.

These devices also handle the processing of the signal, and can provide nearly-zero latency, which is another reason sample rate is very important. The more samples you record (for example, 96kHz) the lower the latency. Why?

Latency is determined by the number of samples you record at once. A good device may be able to handle as little as 32 samples at a time, which means it has to do much more processing to keep the audio stream going, but that's fine.

32 samples at 44kHz will take twice as long to process as 32 samples at 96kHz - so by simply going with a highest possible sample rate, you've at least cut your latency in *half* which means you're entering *real time* territory.

If you wanted, you could apply vst plugins to the signal in real time and record the end result, however, I will personally recommend to *NEVER DO THAT*.

Do not apply compression or any other bullshit. Trust me, you'll have plenty of time to do that in software. If you have a hardware compressor, and you record from that, well, you can never restore the original waveform.

So far we have: Mics, Mixing Console, Audio Interface. If those 3 components are decent quality, you'll get decent results.

Finally, software.

Sony ACID - Basic, can support multi track recording, very simple to use program, it'll get the job done

Cakewalk SONAR, Good - full featured, very robust, awesome.

Pro tools - haven't used it, but it's probably the most popular DAW out there.

Using the software is up for you to learn, if you're a newbie, I'd go with acid because its cheap and easy to figure out and you can still get decent results.

Oh, and if you're recording a guitar processor, well, 10 times out of 10 micing a cabinet will sound best. Even if your box has "Cabinet emulation". Cabinet emulation is a good way to do cheap recording, otherwise your guitar will sound incredibly fizzy because none of the singal is being cut off since you're playing through full range speakers, not 12-inch speakers which roll off at 5-6khz!

FINALLY:

Drum micing - there are 10001 ways to mic a drum kit, i personally go with 2 overheads in a "x pattern" to pick up the kit, then a dedicated kick mic, and dedicated snare mic. I've mic'd a whole kit before, and if you can do so, go for it, but most drum mics really get in the frigging way.

If you can though, in addition to the simple setup, try to get a mic near the ride to pick up the ping, and one parallel to the hihats right at the point they meet, as long as you can tune the kick, snare, ride and hihat, your overheads will do a good enough job on the cymbals and other toms, it'll work good.

You dont need "drum mics". sure 57s or 58s on boom stands work VERY well.

HTH

[Diamondjimi]

but most drum mics really get in the frigging way.



Not if you know how to mix properly..... ;)

[jhale667]

Not if you know how to mix properly..... ;)

And as we've both indicated, the D6 emulation in Recabinet is essential to capturing the missing "chest thump" in virtual guitar-amp tracks. Haven't tried it yet, but imagining it works in the really real world too... ;)

[Diamondjimi]

And as we've both indicated, the D6 emulation in Recabinet is essential to capturing the missing "chest thump" in virtual guitar-amp tracks. Haven't tried it yet, but imagining it works in the really real world too... ;)

Damn straight!

[GAR]

I'm gonna recommend Cubase 5 Studio and let the insults fly from those who'd be wasting their time with it if they even knew how to use a real mic or cabinet..

[BigBadBrian]

Thanks to all for posting in this thread....keep the posts coming.

So how good is the Pro Tools M Box Pro? I don't want to buy a basic interface and want to upgrade six months down the road.

[GAR]

You pricks.. now I feel like writing new stuff and got my old cassettes out from storage. I'll figure this shit out!

Going to Hollywood today to look at this D.I. pod shit and assess which d.i. is the best scratch-pad writing tool for the buck, and start my own a/d xfers.

All I know is from all the live tutorials and demo's I've attended, Cubase is the easiest learning curve for both writing and recording in the digital realm, but Logic is best at fine-tuning and mastering even though Cubase has the weird pitch-correcting and autotune fucktions..

[GAR]

I don't want to buy a basic interface and want to upgrade six months down the road.

Friend of mine had the Mbox2 which goes for 299, I say "had" because he loaned it out and the "loanee" refuses to return either it, or the calls demanding its' return - so it must be pretty good.

It also comes with cheap software like Protools Limited Edition, which you can download anywhere free if you look anyways.. it works somewhat! Just ask Jay - he likes the cheap stuff alot.

[Etienne]

...Use a regular mixing console if you have one (assuming you're recording something like drums)...

@BigBadBrian

How do you plan to record your drums exactly?

[jhale667]

Just ask Jay - he likes the cheap stuff alot.


Said the library-posting-underpass-squatting douchebag with NO recording gear and a PLYWOOD guitar... :lol: You're pathetic, really. Go die in a fire.

[Jagermeister]

Said the library-posting-underpass-squatting douchebag with NO recording gear and a PLYWOOD guitar... :lol: You're pathetic, really. Go die in a fire.

Speaking of that. Have you seen the stringless toy guitar being advertised? I saw it last night but can't remember what they called it. Thought of GAR when I saw it though.:biggrin:

[chefcraig]

Speaking of that. Have you seen the stringless toy guitar being advertised? I saw it last night but can't remember what they called it.

The Perfect Gift For Those With No Gear Or Talent: Walgreens Sells Cardboard Guitars (http://www.rotharmy.com/forums/showthread.php?59588-The-Perfect-Gift-For-Those-With-No-Gear-Or-Talent-Walgreens-Sells-Cardboard-Guitars) :baaa:

[jhale667]

Speaking of that. Have you seen the stringless toy guitar being advertised? I saw it last night but can't remember what they called it. Thought of GAR when I saw it though.:biggrin:

Paper Jamz, I think they're called? Saw them at my local pharmacy...think they're around $9.99 at a Wal-Mart/crap-shop near you?

Yeah, he most likely sucks on one of those too... :hee:

[jhale667]

The Perfect Gift For Those With No Gear Or Talent: Walgreens Sells Cardboard Guitars (http://www.rotharmy.com/forums/showthread.php?59588-The-Perfect-Gift-For-Those-With-No-Gear-Or-Talent-Walgreens-Sells-Cardboard-Guitars) :baaa:

:lmao:

Now if anyone wanted to buy Senor Pitiful (or is he just a pitiful senior?) a Christmas present (he usually gets coal in his stocking - after sockf***er's had his way with it, that is) this year - you know where to look...

[Diamondjimi]

Speaking of that. Have you seen the stringless toy guitar being advertised? I saw it last night but can't remember what they called it. Thought of GAR when I saw it though.:biggrin:


The Perfect Gift For Those With No Gear Or Talent: Walgreens Sells Cardboard Guitars (http://www.rotharmy.com/forums/showthread.php?59588-The-Perfect-Gift-For-Those-With-No-Gear-Or-Talent-Walgreens-Sells-Cardboard-Guitars) :baaa:


4 minutes, Chef... :baaa:

In all seriousness, your searching skills are appreciated by us lazy Bastards. ;)

GARfail is simply trying to fit in by all the DAW and mic. talk. The only recording he's done is reruns of Different Strokes back in the 90's on a VCR he found at the curb. (The only piece of recording gear he's actually owned)....

Nobody cares, GAR. Stay the fuck out of Gear Street! :Loser: :shiznit:

[GAR]

Anybody have one of those digital floorboard monstrosities?

I'm wondering what's the diff between a fifty-dollar Pod-thingy, and the big ones beside having a fake wah controller that doesn't sound very nasally, or wah-like?

This guy showed me his Pod X3 once, and I was impressed that he could get ballpark-reference sounds just for recording. So yesterday at GC Hollywood I noticed they got a used one they're asking 325.. so I know with my artists' discount I could probably have it for 250.

[GAR]

Said the library-posting-underpass-squatting douchebag with NO recording gear and a PLYWOOD guitar... :lol: You're pathetic, really. Go die in a fire.

Protools LE is a tinkertoy starter set, I'd expected you to have moved up to better by now.

[jhale667]

Protools LE is a tinkertoy starter set, I'd expected you to have moved up to better by now.

It's what anyone w/o a dedicated Pro Tools HD system uses, not like you'd know.

Tell ya what - when you move up past your old '60s close-and-play, or cassettes - THEN talk to me. Until you've proven you're even at the starting gate, much less can play your way out of a paper bag - then perhaps your opinion may hold the tiniest bit of merit. But at the moment it doesn't - so STFU.

[Diamondjimi]

So yesterday at GC Hollywood I noticed they got a used one they're asking 325.. so I know with my artists' discount I could probably have it for 250.

GC gives discounts to bullshit artist's?

I'm surprised they don't charge you $5 Stupid Tax, slap you in the cocksucker and escort your lying/thieving ass out the door..



Protools LE is a tinkertoy starter set, I'd expected you to have moved up to better by now.


It's what anyone w/o a dedicated Pro Tools HD system uses, not like you'd know.
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http://www.pimp123.com/comments/Owned/flamingchair.jpg

[Mushroom]

My singer built a home studio in the basement and uses Cubase software set up for 16 tracks.

[Mushroom]

I have a pirate version of Cool Edit 2000 software that I simply used for editing music. This year I bought a Mac, and to be honest, I haven't tried to install the Cool Edit - not sure it would work. I'm ready to move on to something else but I'm overwhelmed by the choices. Any suggestions?

[Diamondjimi]

Started out with Cool Edit Pro (Now called Adobe Audition). I still use it for editing, but that's about it...

[GAR]

GC gives discounts to bullshit artist's?

I'm surprised they don't .. escort your lying/thieving ass out the door..

I didn't walk out of there with a pair of 16ft guitar cables this time -guess I'm losing my edge in my old age huh -

So who here uses their Soundcard as the interface, and who uses a dedicated one?

I'm thinking of going with a cheap mbox or dongle-thingy instead of that monstrosity board. My chick stubbed her toe on my folding keyboard stool today and bitched about it several times cuz it was at the edge of the bed.

Imagine the henhouse uproar when I lay THIS fucker in front of the TV and have her go stub her fuckin toes..

http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/reviews/images/images_list_12_430_20227_2.jpg

All she'd have to do is look at the thing, and the bitching will freely henceforth flow..

All I really need: L and R input to a FUCKING computer. I like the effects stuff idea, but I don't really need it.

[GAR]

.. and I do like Sesh's advice on firewire input thanks.

[jhale667]

GC gives discounts to bullshit artist's?

I'm surprised they don't charge you $5 Stupid Tax, slap you in the cocksucker and escort your lying/thieving ass out the door..

http://www.pimp123.com/comments/Owned/flamingchair.jpg


Trust me, they do. He's exactly the kind of pretentious fuckbag that when GC employees hear him say "I want my artist discount" his price immediately goes up... :biggrin:


Best line I ever pulled on someone back in the day who was being a douche, yelling "I KNOW you can do better on that price!!" told him (since at the time I could zero out anything *within reason* to make a deal fly up to a certain $ amount) "Dude, I can GIVE IT TO YOU if I want, but since you're being a dick..." :lol:

[Nitro Express]

Gar is into rehtro recording. His equipment is a old Radio Shack portable cassette recorder. He currently is using the on board microphone because he's saving up to buy a remote microphone at the thrift store. His main technical problem is battery drain because the cardboard box he lives in doesn't have electricity. Too bad those portable solar panels are so expensive.

[GAR]

Best line I ever pulled on someone back in the day who was being a douche, yelling "I KNOW you can do better on that price!!" told him (since at the time I could zero out anything *within reason* to make a deal fly up to a certain $ amount) "Dude, I can GIVE IT TO YOU if I want, but since you're being a dick..." :lol:

I think I had two Diva's like that fired by personally going upstairs to Wiederman. Did you know this guy back in 06 who was bald and about 45, gray but balding, glasses and a lot of facial piercings and poseur tattoos - head like an encyclopedia for gear but the tact of a dipshit? His fate was one Gar casualty, because I don't give abuse out in business so I sure as hell don't need to take it from some minimum-wage earning piercy motherfucker like that!

[GAR]

Too bad those portable solar panels are so expensive.

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I feel so sad for Caltrans' missing equipment. Really. Not MY fault they just leave shit on the side of the road!

[jhale667]

I think I had two Diva's like that fired by personally going upstairs to Wiederman. Did you know this guy back in 06 who was bald and about 45, gray but balding, glasses and a lot of facial piercings and poseur tattoos - head like an encyclopedia for gear but the tact of a dipshit? His fate was one Gar casualty, because I don't give abuse out in business so I sure as hell don't need to take it from some minimum-wage earning piercy motherfucker like that!


Nope, long after my time there. But I know Weiderman well enough to know he'd more likely tell you to go fuck yourself and give the dude that walked you a spiff for doing so...(btw, he's said merely dropping his name at the counter also means your price goes up) :lmao:

[jhale667]

Back on f*ing topic - :rolleyes:

What's everyone (else's that actually owns gear)'s experience with recording guitar sounds, amps and/vs. emulations? IMO an actual (triple) mic'd amp still sounds best - especially for distorted tones. Although you can certainly get pleasant enough sounds, and in the general ballpark with amp simulators like PODfarm, GuitarRig, Amplitube, etc. nothing reacts like a real tube amp in "OMG, he just turned me up to 11" power-stage meltdown mode where you feel it back through your guitar in your hands - like a real amp.

But while that's fine in a real studio - hard to do at home, neighbors (probably more so in an apartment, but houses too), neighborhood noise-level curfews, whatevs. So more often than not for expediency's sake if nothing else I find myself getting the ideas and arrangements down with amp simulations, with the idea being to eventually re-do (or just in some cases triple or quadruple) some of the primary rhythm tracks - after the rhythm section has been recorded, in a real studio, with my amp mic'd and cranked up LOUD. :cool:

As far as using real amps at home, speaker loads and cabinet sims (like Recabinet and others, even the standard Line 6 cab sims can be made to sound better if you write your own presets, which I also did with the amp tones) work well enough, but the flip-side is you then encounter the same issues you'd potentially find doing typical sound reinforcement shite: ground noise if the wiring in your place is funky, typical amp background hiss that will require noise suppression later...worth it to do, but time-intensive. I find I only have time for that on weekends, and if you're trying to get an idea down while it's fresh, particularly on a weeknight, you can't/don't want to bother with it.

I notice (recording a Mesa Mk III at least) real amp tracks tend to be darker - and meatier on their own - than emulated tracks, which can tend to sound bright and fizzy (particularly with stock cab sims).
I like doubling and mixing real and emulated amp tracks too - if you can double your own rhythms tightly enough, you can get great sounds that you can fully play with in the stereo spectrum afterwards too...fun stuff. :p

Here's a Soundclick example of that approach to guitar tracks, complete with my guitarist-on-bass guide bass line (that will eventually be redone by an actual bassist when the drum tracks are added...lol).

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/page_songInfo.cfm?bandID=1000098&songID=8208183

While the example says "final", that more refers to the arrangements...the idea is to go back and double the primary Marshall-type and Boogie rhythm guitar tracks with actual mic'd cab stereo tracks. Might re-do the leads that way too. Another thing I'd like to try and haven't, again time permitting perhaps some weekend is running the stereo send from my pedal board into Line6 UX-2 while my direct out on my amp is feeding my Mbox II...I want to try doing some stereo rhythm tracks that way. :hitch:


And while I'm impressed with what some people can do with programmed drums, I personally admittedly suck at programming them (the "light" versions of Reason and BFD came with my Pro Tools package), I just don't have the patience for it, am not a f*ing drummer ... and I prefer real live human drummers that can play to a click anyway - but what's everyone else using?

[kwame k]

All good points, Jay......for a guitarist :)

Back to triple B's question and basically the question I've been trying to answer for myself, since I need to rebuild my studio(lost all my mics, cables, and CPU due to divorce and moving).

What do I really need and what am I going to use it for? I'll lay out my situation and maybe this will help.

I still have my ADAT's and a ton of outboard gear......Lexicon FX's, EQ's, mic pre-amps,DBX compression, recording console, etc. My old computer interface was a Lexicon CORE II 24-bit interface(half duplex, not full duplex)......firewire ready with 8 inputs and the ability to record 8-tracks simultaneously, 16 with my ADAT's chained together. I only used my ADAT's for A/D conversion and stopped recording to them years ago. I used Sonar/Cakewalk but agree with Jay and Jimi that if you're going to use software, use the industry standard........just makes sense to be compatible with all studios and most musicians.

Great gear to record a band or drums but is it really necessary?

Do you need all those tracks? Are you planning on recording Bohemian Rhapsody or are you wanting to just lay ideas down, with no plans to record full blown albums.

I've done 10 tracks dedicated to just drums but in all honesty, I've gotten my best drum sounds using just four mics/tracks.....easier to record and less chance of phase cancellation.

My situation may be different than most because I'm a drummer and need at least 4-tracks for drums and if you're jamming live to tape with a bassist or guitarist you'll need at least 8-track simultaneously.........

The nagging question........WTF to get to rebuild my studio?

Here's my thinking as of today..........

First off mics, period. Don't give a flying fuck what else you have if you don't have mics you'll never get there. Standard studio equipment.....SM-57, SM-58, and some condenser mics (AKG's rock, IMHO). When using any type of condenser mic you'll be better off to have a mic pre-amp. A recording board/mixing console(why use this if I'm going direct to computer? It just makes recording easier and more organic, plus gives you the flexibility of routing things back out of the computer back to the board.....think A/D conversion). Room control.......bass baffles, egg crates, sound deadening board, ply wood, etc. If the room is shit, you're fucked from the start.

So.......for my room, total wood. Hardwood floors, wood walls and ceilings. You can always throttle back the brightness but can never add it.......kinda like EQ'ing of FX'ing shit to tape.....once it's recorded you can't take it away but you can always add it later. Recording interface.......going back to tape bitches, why? 'cause I miss that natural tape compression you get from red-lining tape, you can't do that in digital because it just clips everything in the red-line. Tascam vintage recorder, 8-track 1" because I can't afford a Studer but Ampex has some reasonable shit, too.

That's my wish list but having said that.........an 8-track input computer interface and Pro-Tools will most likely be the my choice. I may stay Cakewalk/Sonar and go analog for laying down tracks and digital for editing but cost and the most bang for my buck will dictate what I do.

So in closing.....I have no fucking idea what I'll do :pullinghair:

.....but my advice for you is simple.......what are you trying to record/do? Simple guitar and vocal songwriting tool, get a good mic and a 2 input interface or a stand alone. Want to record your band.......8 tracks and recording gear.

[jhale667]

All good points, Jay......for a guitarist :)

As you also made good ones..for a drummer. :baaa: Speaking of drums, I've also heard of people doing sub-mixes on their drum kits on say an 8-track outboard mixer going to both inputs of an MboxII and just printing them as a stereo track - the drawback there being much like printing w/effects, you're stuck with your mix...

But agree, to BBB's question:



.....but my advice for you is simple.......what are you trying to record/do? Simple guitar and vocal songwriting tool, get a good mic and a 2 input interface or a stand alone. Want to record your band.......8 tracks and recording gear.

Yep, that always needs to be asked and answered, it's the key to decide what's needed...

[GAR]

But I know Weiderman well enough..

Remember, I'm in the 100K club with one of the earliest customer numbers in there.. if I have to march upstairs Dave puts the phone down and goes "whats goin on?"

The trouble I have in the temporary counter-help is having to re-educate them every time I go in to check gear out: cuz the last guy I bought something is usually gone.

It's not heartbreaking at all to see them go either.. I know it's a shitty gig and they do too. What I hate though is developing some kind of rapport with someone and then seeing them have to bail because of a low time of year. There are such things as slow times of the year! But they get fired for it and that pisses me off, cuz then the dude I had something goin' is vanished and I now have some creepy, skater-punker-skeptic dude who thinks like I thought at 19 years of age that everyone older than me sucked and I knew better..

/GC rant

I got four 4x12's in the hallway I could open the patio doors and blast if I wanted to, but when I get home I find I just dont have it in me, and by the time I do its already dark, dickhead actor's son neighbor's home upstairs, and my chick wants my attention.

I need something direct, with no mics. That's what I'm looking for right now - headphones recording input device.

[GAR]

I've also heard of people doing sub-mixes on their drum kits on say an 8-track outboard mixer

I used a Vocalmaster pa head for 3 mics before like that, two condensers over head and one sm57 below the snare, which also got the hats and bass just fine.

Coulda probably done it in 2 mics if we didn't have 3 floor toms.

[Diamondjimi]

I got four 4x12's in the hallway I could open the patio doors and blast if I wanted to,

No you don't...



I need something direct, with no mics.

It'll sound like ass without Recabinet™. FACT!



That's what I'm looking for right now - headphones recording input device.

WTF, you haven't touched a guitar in 10 years, you own fuck all gear, you don't have a band or musicians to play with and now you're jumping in on the recording discussion?
You couldn't write a tune to save your fuckin life.
Why do I say this? Because you haven't proved a fuckin thing you've said on these boards, Douchebag...



I used a Vocalmaster pa head for 3 mics before like that, two condensers over head and one sm57 below the snare, which also got the hats and bass just fine.

Moron. If you expect 1 mic. to catch a kick and hi-hats from under a snare, if you had half a brain, you'd know a 58 would be better suited for this task based on it's dynamic range...


Coulda probably done it in 2 mics if we didn't have 3 floor toms.

3 floors? :lmao:

WTF, were you recording Terry Bozzio? :lol:

[Seshmeister]

I'm just thinking it's a pity sometimes about all the shit that goes on at this site sometimes.

For example I've just been watching a video someone took where I got up a few months ago at a birthday party and did a little jam thing and the three of us post 6 strong beers each put it all through the PA with me just using a Pod Plus thing doing wah and harmony stuff, drummer using an electrical kit and bass DI'd.

At a sensible site we could all laugh at the mistakes and sound an maybe say there were redeeming factors but it would be dumb for me to post it here because of all the shit I would get if not now maybe a year down the line...

[GAR]

I hope you don't think youre not held in my highest regard Sesh.

That dissing wouldn't be coming from me, I'll let you know that right now no matter how bad it may be!

[Oolith]

you are on borrowed time

[jhale667]

I'm just thinking it's a pity sometimes about all the shit that goes on at this site sometimes.

For example I've just been watching a video someone took where I got up a few months ago at a birthday party and did a little jam thing and the three of us post 6 strong beers each put it all through the PA with me just using a Pod Plus thing doing wah and harmony stuff, drummer using an electrical kit and bass DI'd.

At a sensible site we could all laugh at the mistakes and sound an maybe say there were redeeming factors but it would be dumb for me to post it here because of all the shit I would get if not now maybe a year down the line...

Hey, I've posted drunken cover band videos here...who cares if someone who can't/doesn't flames on you (unless you suck out loud sober like DisgrACE) ? We were drunk, as was the majority of the audience, so they didn't care...and we got paid!
Really, the key is pointing out your mistakes in advance, too...lol :D

[hambon4lif]

I hope you don't think youre not held in my highest regard SeshYou're not held in anyones highest regards.

Everyone seems to be quick to the whip as far as far as your Google bullshit goes.....

You, as a person, are in the middle of a slow and inevitable death, and it's about fucking time!

Whirl down the bowl with the rest of the fucking turds, false-informing douche-bag!!

C-ya in hell!!!

[jhale667]

Remember, I'm in the 100K club with one of the earliest customer numbers in there.. if I have to march upstairs Dave puts the phone down and goes

"How the fuck did you get up here? Who let you in?" :lol:



The trouble I have in the temporary counter-help is having to re-educate them every time I go in to check gear out: cuz the last guy I bought something is usually gone.

It's not heartbreaking at all to see them go either.. I know it's a shitty gig and they do too. What I hate though is developing some kind of rapport with someone and then seeing them have to bail because of a low time of year. There are such things as slow times of the year! But they get fired for it and that pisses me off, cuz then the dude I had something goin' is vanished and I now have some creepy, skater-punker-skeptic dude who thinks like I thought at 19 years of age that everyone older than me sucked and I knew better..

/GC rant

Well, perhaps if their entire concept wasn't based on a 90-day turnaround for counter-dudes you might be able to sustain a rapport there with one of the increasingly rare cool ones...(fortunately I know a few lifers too...) but this isn't a slam GC thread.


I need something direct, with no mics. That's what I'm looking for right now - headphones recording input device.

Then disdain for me aside, you should probably consider an Mbox/Pro Tools set-up, or Cubase with whatever input device...hell, you could just get a UX2 and PODfarm and use that for guitar tracks in that scenario...

You can print with the amp models, which I tend to do, OR you can use PODfarm like a plug-in and re-amp your direct track as many times as you want...and yeah, you should consider Recabinet.

[GAR]

You're not held in anyones highest regards.

I think Sesh is holding out not because of what you Sheep Pen losers will think of him, but what Flappo will do to it @Rogan's~!!

[GAR]

you are on borrowed time

are you on burrowed coch, or paint fumes?

[jhale667]

I used a Vocalmaster pa head for 3 mics before like that, two condensers over head and one sm57 below the snare, which also got the hats and bass just fine.

Coulda probably done it in 2 mics if we didn't have 3 floor toms.

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSmcskSv6UZzjQQNoTNB55fNHOXoQxCJ F6bth5t4UgoaInr0z0&t=1&usg=__H8Ld0q-wnwxVoB_6ox15W5o2MH8=

Yeah...a 57 in that application would maybe capture a paper-thin section of the kick drum...not what that mic is designed for....

[Diamondjimi]

Exactly. I don't think the moron is capable of the "uni" or "omni" concept.

Hey GARfail, throw up a soundbite of those drums soloed ...

[jhale667]

Yeah, that'll happen. :lmao:

I think if I didn't already have PODfarm (which I'm considering further upgrading, have the amassed an almost-fully cracked out mod stable, but not FULL compliment w/ the extra bass amps mod and whatnot) I'd probably just throw a POD HD on the floor...
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...and the more I see of them the more I want to get some Graph-Tech Ghost Floyd saddles (now that they've assured me their newest versions don't break) and slapping the Variax guts in something for recording...again would just be invaluable for quickly getting closer to the ballpark of the wacky sounds you hear in your head than zillions of dollars in gear you'd rarely use otherwise, just for getting the idea down.
I reeeeeally like the idea of being able to save and then print with the exact same MM-4 and DL-4 presets I'd be using on my real pedal board with my real amp. Amp-wise, modeling will likely never fully replace the real thing, but it's still (getting) pretty cool - and fast...

[jhale667]

Back to the OP's point...yo, BBB any closer to deciding what system would best suit your needs? Been doing any research?

http://www.avid.com/us/products/family/pro-tools

http://www.steinbergusers.com/cubase/cubasestudio4.php

:guitar:

[Seshmeister]

I think Sesh is holding out not because of what you Sheep Pen losers will think of him, but what Flappo will do to it @Rogan's~!!

Peace broke out a while ago and to be honest I never go over there any more.

[Seshmeister]

Hey, I've posted drunken cover band videos here...who cares if someone who can't/doesn't flames on you (unless you suck out loud sober like DisgrACE) ? We were drunk, as was the majority of the audience, so they didn't care...and we got paid!
Really, the key is pointing out your mistakes in advance, too...lol :D

I'll take you up on that big style which was my point and please noone take this out of context - the context is everything. :)

Looking at it again the video which surfaced is all over the place(drunk camera man) so I'll just post the audio.

As I said the context is everything but I think it's kind of vaguely interesting and I always like to see other people posting music but it's all too rare.(That's 10 years now Elvis...:) )

Background is a birthday party in front of a 100 or so people.

Equipment used is minimal. Ibanez RG thing with the Tonezone pickup I added (after asking for advice too late here) going straight into a Pod Plus via a mixer into the disco PA! Bass DI'd and similarly a Roland kit. In other words our equipment could have travelled to the gig in a motorbike and sidecar. :)

Recording was through the microphone in a fairly cheap video camera.

I came up with the great idea of the no rehearsal required guitar bit. A few years back Prince had recorded an instrumental variation on Whole Lotta Love. The beauty of this was all that was required was to tell the bass player to repeat the same 2 notes and let the drummer hear it on an iPod briefly and we were read to go.

The best laid plans and so on.

Couple of major strategic errors.

1) I didn't allow for the fact that I would obviously be drinking a lot.

2) And that I hadn't played in front of an audience for ages.

Anyhoo 5 strong beers and a couple of vodkas later....


http://www.filexoom.com/showfile-22544/whole_lotta_booze.mp3 (http://www.filexoom.com/showfile-22544/whole_lotta_booze.mp3" title="download file from FileXoom)

So anatomy of a drunken guitar solo. :D

00.00 I quickly realise this was probably a bad idea. There is a strong chance of fucking up in front of a bunch of people who I see regularly and who have never heard me play before.

00.05 I realise I am pretty drunk, get tentative

00.31 First Mistake which I just about get away with by pretending it was a grace note

01.00 Initialise the Wah wah, friend of the sloppy player and the drunk. :) As I said I am only using the Pod thing. I don't think the wah sound is too bad on it. Fast picking through a wah wah is an effective scam I always think and surprising easy to get almost Vai For The Love of God kind of vibe.

01.48 I suddenly realise I only had something planned for the previous bit and now I'm out into the scary world of improvising, live and with booze. I do what everyone does in that situation and go Pentatonic. :)

01.56-02.05 The 9 seconds of this whole thing I quite like.

02.06 Back on topic I discovered a while ago you can set up the delay on the Pod Plus to act as a harmonizer.

02.13 I thump back to earth trying to do a Vaiesque fill and making a complete fucking mess of it.

02.24 Now things start to fall to bits. I try to stamp on the pedal to end the harmonizer preset and somehow switch off my guitar????

02.29 It is actually illegal to play an Ibanez RG thing for more that 2 and a half minutes without a divebomb trem thing. This one is mediocre.

02.38 Disaster Strikes and I pull a MASSIVE Ace Diamond. Looking back I think I was thinking about how the fuck 02:24 happened and somehow I fail to remember to play E to A and play E to G!!!! It's bizarre. I swear I realised immediately and was smart enough to do a few so that it looked deliberate, the audience probably never realised but jesus shitting in my grandmothers mouth that was bad. I start to give the mad head nods to the the drummer to stop this asap before I make a total dick of myself.

02.55 It's all over. The great thing about a drunk audience where people know you is that chances are no matter what you will get an ok response. Retreat to the bar and bask in the glory... :)

[Diamondjimi]

So, was this supposed to be Whole Lotta Love?
Your melody line reminded me of "American Woman".

Not to worry dude, somewhere out there in every town there is an alcohol fueled jam going on that sounds exactly like this one. Fun is the key.

So, how did ya make out at the bar? Any Poontang?

[jhale667]

So, was this supposed to be Whole Lotta Love?
Your melody line reminded me of "American Woman".

Not to worry dude, somewhere out there in every town there is an alcohol fueled jam going on that sounds exactly like this one. Fun is the key.

So, how did ya make out at the bar? Any Poontang?

Did people (cough poontang) buy you more alcohol after? :baaa:

I kinda heard the "American Woman" thing in there too...:)

[kwame k]

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSmcskSv6UZzjQQNoTNB55fNHOXoQxCJ F6bth5t4UgoaInr0z0&t=1&usg=__H8Ld0q-wnwxVoB_6ox15W5o2MH8=

Yeah...a 57 in that application would maybe capture a paper-thin section of the kick drum...not what that mic is designed for....

A 57 is great for a snare and hi-hat and guitar but a bass drum or lower frequencies instruments , I agree, a 57 isn't designed for that. A 58 would be better for toms or bass but even that isn't what I'd use.

I like the Shure mic kits http://www.shure.com/americas/products/microphones/PG/pgdmk6-drum-mic-kit

or the AKG mic kits http://www.pssl.com/!0g6EY8P87gpZOF8wAwH5tQ!/AKG-DRUMSETGROOVEPACK-Drum-Set-Microphone-Pack-s?AID=10404878&PID=1609763&SID=tfc_-_17_15_101003_fb06ed2cfaed66cb0912b627ea142164:000 0

Really, I want a really good bass drum mic and a good snare mic. I want 2 tracks dedicated to bass and snare and at least 2 tracks for overhead/distance miking. Bass and snare drive 90% of a song so I want isolation and control on those two. Distance miking the rest of the kit is great for overall sound and unless I'm recording a song that is drum driven like "Everybody Wants Some" you can get away without having to mic the toms. Depends on the song but that's a good all around miking setup, IMHO.

[jhale667]

Nice... I dig that Shure kit.

http://www.shure.com/idc/groups/public/documents/webcontent/prod_img_pgdmk6_l.jpg

The D52 does indeed kick ass. Actually, if I were to use my 2nd Pro Tools licensed install on a laptop (other than the office one, would be "frowned upon by management"...lolz) I'd get one of those packages and do the aforementioned guerrilla 2-tracks-off-the-board in a rehearsal studio into the Mbox II - drum track approach. And could use the 52 on a cab for guitar tracks too. :hee:


My Pro Tools set up also came with an AKG condenser mic- a Perception 220 (not their flagship but decent)...I need a new (or old) SM57.

http://www.akg.com/mediendatenbank2/pspic/image/15/image11962474d70a19d5c9.jpg

[kwame k]

As you also made good ones..for a drummer. :baaa: Speaking of drums, I've also heard of people doing sub-mixes on their drum kits on say an 8-track outboard mixer going to both inputs of an MboxII and just printing them as a stereo track - the drawback there being much like printing w/effects, you're stuck with your mix...

I've done stereo tracks before and when I had my first 4-track that's what I did.....plus a ton of bouncing. I've tried placing the bass and snare in the center of the stereo mix and panned the right side of the kit left and the left side right, so it would represent what your ears would hear if you were standing in front of the kit. Like you said, you're stuck with what's going to tape and that's why I like using at least 4-tracks for a good drum sound.

The room is going to play a huge role in how you're going to mic the kit, though. We all know how "When The Levee Breaks" was recorded and look at the impact that hallway/room had.........If, for instance, you have an isolated drum room with no bleed from the other instruments, you can use a 1 or 2 mics and get a passable drum sound. If you're recording in a room where there's other instruments being recorded and little to no isolation, I'd record multiple tracks, close miked.......trying to minimize the bleed.

It also comes down how you're recording and how many tracks you can record at once............when I write with my college buddy from Oregon, we use scratch tracks to get the song nailed, using click tracks or making my own click tracks using a Yamaha DTXPress electronic kit to get the tempo down. We'll either find a click track at the right BPM or use one of mine. Then we record a good rhythm guitar or bass track and rebuild the song from that point. Recording acoustic drums and layering the rest of the instruments from there.

Usually we end up with 2 rhythm guitar tracks, 4 drum tracks, 1 bass track, 1 lead guitar track, 2 lead vocals tracks, 2 or more background vocal tracks, and 2 or more tracks for various extra instruments like keyboards, acoustic guitar for fattening up the sound, percussions, weird FX's and so on. Depends on the song of course but that's about a standard track list for us. Since we have unlimited track space using Sonor/Cakewalk, we do eat up tracks.

For the my newest project I'll be using a ton of live tracks with the band recording together.........I'm doing more of an organic kind of thing right now. More acoustic kinda thing...... Mandolin, acoustic guitars, piano and etc. I may even contradict everything I've said here and record the whole band live with just a few mics like they did way back when :biggrin:

That is the reason for having your own recording equipment........not having to worry about studio costs frees you up to experiment with so many different recording techniques. All you've lost is your time if exploring an idea/theory doesn't work out:beers8:

[kwame k]

Nice... I dig that Shure kit.

http://www.shure.com/idc/groups/public/documents/webcontent/prod_img_pgdmk6_l.jpg

The D52 does indeed kick ass. Actually, if I were to use my 2nd Pro Tools licensed install on a laptop (other than the office one, would be "frowned upon by management"...lolz) I'd get one of those packages and do the aforementioned guerrilla 2-tracks-off-the-board in a rehearsal studio into the Mbox II - drum track approach. And could use the 52 on a cab for guitar tracks too. :hee:


My Pro Tools set up also came with an AKG condenser mic- a Perception 220 (not their flagship but decent)...I need a new (or old) SM57.

http://www.akg.com/mediendatenbank2/pspic/image/15/image11962474d70a19d5c9.jpg

Having an SM57 is essential!

There's nothing wrong with that AKG.....yes, it's not their greatest mic but I bet it would get some great vocals and acoustic guitar sounds.

[kwame k]

On the subject of recording a band rehearsal or the whole band at once...........we've had success with putting guitar cabs in other rooms, vocalist in the bathroom, running the bass direct and having the drums in the same room we were jamming.

Recording the whole band in the same room with all the instruments in the room too, can and has worked for years of recording. That's how it was done way back when. The only time I've ever had success doing this was when all the guys in the band were on board recording that way and we could balance the room, so to speak. Making sure everything could be heard equally and no one instrument was overpowering another instrument. You have to be willing to have give and take in that situation and willing to do whatever is best for the overall sound of the band, not the individual player.

I'd have to choke my drums way down and use thin cymbals so the cymbal decay was fast and not too loud.

[Diamondjimi]

Recording the whole band in the same room with all the instruments in the room too, can and has worked for years of recording. That's how it was done way back when. The only time I've ever had success doing this was when all the guys in the band were on board recording that way and we could balance the room, so to speak. Making sure everything could be heard equally and no one instrument was overpowering another instrument. You have to be willing to have give and take in that situation and willing to do whatever is best for the overall sound of the band, not the individual player.

I'd have to choke my drums way down and use thin cymbals so the cymbal decay was fast and not too loud.

I've done this type before. It def. takes a band effort.
I've gotten some great results using 2 PZM plate mic.s hung on opposing walls.

Speaking of PZM mics. Have you ever duct taped one to your chest for recording your drums?

See Neil Peart below.

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I've always been curious about the results of this technique...

[kwame k]

I've done this type before. It def. takes a band effort.
I've gotten some great results using 2 PZM plate mic.s hung on opposing walls.

Speaking of PZM mics. Have you ever duct taped one to your chest for recording your drums?

See Neil Peart below.

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I've always been curious about the results of this technique...

Cool clip, Jimi :beers8:

No, I've never done the old duct tape the mic to your chest trick........I gotta imagine the logic behind using it is that it's as close to what the drummer "hears" sitting on the kit without duct taping the mic to your face :biggrin:

Love those Pressure Zone Mics for getting room sounds and for recording piano!

[Diamondjimi]

Cool clip, Jimi :beers8:

No, I've never done the old duct tape the mic to your chest trick........I gotta imagine the logic behind using it is that it's as close to what the drummer "hears" sitting on the kit without duct taping the mic to your face :biggrin:

Love those Pressure Zone Mics for getting room sounds and for recording piano!

http://umbcadmissionsblog.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/borat_thumbs_up_narrowweb__300x5040.jpg

[GAR]

if I were to use my 2nd Pro Tools licensed install on a laptop (other than the office one, would be "frowned upon by management"...lolz) I'd get one of those packages and do the aforementioned guerrilla 2-tracks-off-the-board in a rehearsal studio into the Mbox II

Why not just install a virtual-machine on a USB stick, then plug the fucking thing in anywhere you want and have at it?

[jhale667]

Why not just install a virtual-machine on a USB stick, then plug the fucking thing in anywhere you want and have at it?

'Cause it'd probably be too slow that way? :umm:

[Diamondjimi]

He truly has no fucking clue....

[GAR]

So, was this supposed to be Whole Lotta Love?
Your melody line reminded me of "American Woman".

Wow, you picked those out! Good for you..

[jhale667]

He truly has no fucking clue....

We knew that already... :lmao:



:guitar:

[GAR]

He truly has no fucking clue....

Right. Jay, the runtime would be independant of the OS even if the firewire isn't.

[kwame k]

Why not just install a virtual-machine on a USB stick, then plug the fucking thing in anywhere you want and have at it?

Yeah, because you wouldn't need an OS to run it :umm:

[GAR]

and that's why I like using at least 4-tracks for a good drum sound.

That's why you went back to Michigan, and Motown Records did not.

[GAR]

Yeah, because you wouldn't need an OS to run it :umm:

Vmware's kernel's its own OS..

[kwame k]

That's why you went back to Michigan, and Motown Records did not.

Oh no! Did I hurt your little feelings there, Clay.

Now how would you run your USB
independant moron.

[kwame k]

VMware Player is the easiest way to run multiple operating systems at the same time on your PC. With its user-friendly interface, VMware Player makes it effortless for anyone to try out Windows 7, Chrome OS or the latest Linux releases, or create isolated virtual machines to safely test new software and surf the Web. VMware Player can also be used to run a virtual copy of an old PC so that you can recycle the old machines you have under your desk or stored in the closet.

You mean this?

[Diamondjimi]

Wow, you picked those out! Good for you..

Eat a dick.
Sesh, drunk off his ass is still 100 times the player you are... :Loser:

[Satan]

On the subject of recording a band rehearsal or the whole band at once...........we've had success with putting guitar cabs in other rooms, vocalist in the bathroom, running the bass direct and having the drums in the same room we were jamming.

Recording the whole band in the same room with all the instruments in the room too, can and has worked for years of recording. That's how it was done way back when. The only time I've ever had success doing this was when all the guys in the band were on board recording that way and we could balance the room, so to speak. Making sure everything could be heard equally and no one instrument was overpowering another instrument. You have to be willing to have give and take in that situation and willing to do whatever is best for the overall sound of the band, not the individual player.

I'd have to choke my drums way down and use thin cymbals so the cymbal decay was fast and not too loud.

You can still record with everyone in the same room. Just depends on how you set up the room. Take this diagram from Pathe-Marconi studios in Paris, circa 1977, for example......

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/apr04/images/classicdiagramkimsey.l.jpg

This is how the Rolling Stones cut one of their greatest albums, Some Girls. Yeah sure there were some overdubs. Definitely vocals, maybe a guitar part added here and there, other things like sax and harmonica added in later, but the raw tracks were done here with everyone in the room.

And it comes out something like this........


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppc6qHiNCYQ


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLjnkHvKZkE

[kwame k]

Yep, Your Most Unholiness.........knew about that room setup. Notice how there are isolation panels around Charlie and the others.

Great find :beers8:

[GAR]

You mean this?

sorry NO.

[GAR]

You can still record with everyone in the same room. This is how the Rolling Stones cut one of their greatest albums, Some Girls.

Thought I'd point out at this juncture, Van Halen never recorded with "isolation panels."

Must've been a reason huh..

[Diamondjimi]

Shh, go away...

[GAR]

.. said the guy whos gardener drags in a curb-find slant cab with greenbacks "oh meestah I fond deez nayks dooah.. " my ass..

[Seshmeister]

So, was this supposed to be Whole Lotta Love?
Your melody line reminded me of "American Woman".


Based on something I saw Prince do at an after show in London a few years back. It's generally a bad idea I think to cover a cover but it was a quick lazy idea.

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I think we needed more cowbell.

What is undeniable is that I was and still am taller than him... :D

[chefcraig]

Based on something I saw Prince do at an after show in London a few years back. It's generally a bad idea I think to cover a cover but it was a quick lazy idea.


Is this another of those "New Power Trio" recordings? From what I've heard, these are largely hit and miss affairs, ranging from inspired Hendrix-like riffage to tediously annoying and patience testing dreck. There were 3 or 4 tracks by the group on his Lotusflower album that were OK, but as for the rest...:indifferent0020:

[Seshmeister]

From the Indigo Nights album which you could only buy if you bought his $40 coffee table book or something.

It's patchy. I think Prince has improved as a guitarist as the years have gone on but I don't think he's one of the greats.

I've just noticed his version is 50% longer... :)

[Seshmeister]

He did 21 shows at the O2 Arena in London. To be fair to him he only charged £31 for tickets which is cheap these days plus you got a free album on the way in.

It was possible to buy additional tickets for a club beside the Arena where most nights his band would turn up and do a set. On a few nights he turned up and did a set with them and I was there on one of those nights. I was standing beside the mixing desk and he didn't actually leave the stage until the engineer had ejected the recording, pushed through the crowd and handed it to him.

Being a Jehovah's Witness doesn't seem to instill great trust in your fellow man... :)

[Satan]

Thought I'd point out at this juncture, Van Halen never recorded with "isolation panels."

Must've been a reason huh..

Well, for one thing, Van Halen has one guitar player (or two if Dave was playing acoustic.) The Stones had three guitarists on most of the Some Girls tracks, and you'll notice Mick's amp is isolated as well. Otherwise you would hear one muddy mess of guitar, rather than 3 properly balanced guitar tracks.

Of course the above You Tube clips don't illustrate this point very well, but the finished product does.

[Diamondjimi]

.. said the guy whos gardener drags in a curb-find slant cab with greenbacks "oh meestah I fond deez nayks dooah.. " my ass..

Hey, ya still interested in the codes I retrieved off the vintage Greenbacks?

[kwame k]

Hey, ya still interested in the codes I retrieved off the vintage Greenbacks?

Speaking of which.....thanks for the codes on those, Jimi.....I would of never thought that was what they were.......killer find:beers8:

[jhale667]

:lmao:

[GAR]

I'm guessing - Dec 12, 2002, same date code as your roadside cardboard placards: "1 4 NL" right?

[Diamondjimi]

I'm guessing - Dec 12, 2002, same date code as your roadside cardboard placards: "1 4 NL" right?

http://sofail.com/images/fail/Survey_Says_You_Fail.jpg

[jhale667]

http://sofail.com/images/fail/Survey_Says_You_Fail.jpg

:lol:

As usual, GARfail...

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR23EbohJ7xRKEGLWwkS6YIcuYmAdpq5 52TUQ78cWJKfwY6WAU&t=1&usg=__Ozmqyj7bE8uos4O-I2OOuy0KK5w=

[Diamondjimi]

:lol:

As usual, GARfail...

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR23EbohJ7xRKEGLWwkS6YIcuYmAdpq5 52TUQ78cWJKfwY6WAU&t=1&usg=__Ozmqyj7bE8uos4O-I2OOuy0KK5w=

Holy shit, when reading the Trolls post's. That is exactly what he looks like! :biggrin:

[jhale667]

Holy shit, when reading the Trolls post's. That is exactly what he looks like! :biggrin:

Exactly, exactly. :lmao:

[jhale667]

Once again, back on m-f*ing topic...

Since I'm already planning on upgrading my PC's Motherboard and processor soon, thinking (if it's not ridiculously expensive) I'm also going to look into this Pro Tools HD upgrade; it would be a cool addition...and would seriously expand my (by then revamped) existing system's capabilities....! :cool:

http://www.avid.com/static/resources/common/images/products/cw_320x240_PTHDnative.png

http://www.avid.com/US/products/Pro-Tools-HD-Native?cmpid=AV-SM-ON-1


Create complex, high-quality audio productions using the full capabilities of Pro Tools HD software in a lower-cost native solution. For music and post-production professionals who want the absolute best performance possible on the host, Pro Tools|HD Native is a new generation of PCIe-based Pro Tools core system that harnesses the power of your computer to deliver the lowest latency and highest stability of any native system.


Easily compose, record, edit, and mix music or sound for picture with great speed and reliability. And with guaranteed high track counts, plus groundbreaking low latency, you can tackle bigger productions more confidently than ever before with a native workstation.

Key benefits

* Create bigger sessions with up to 192 audio tracks and up to 64 channels of I/O using a single PCIe card
* Record, edit, and mix with ease using Pro Tools HD software, the industry’s most trusted toolset
* Attain the highest performance and lowest latency of any native digital audio workstation
* Get the ideal tracking experience and set-and-forget direct monitoring with an integrated low-latency monitor mode
* Achieve ultimate audio quality with a Pro Tools HD Series interface (sold separately)
* Boost your capabilities with advanced automation, surround mixing, input monitoring, AFL/PFL solo, destructive punch, and other professional features
* Get better sounding mixes with RTAS plug-ins and Automatic Delay Compensation on hardware and software inserts
* Share sessions with Pro Tools|HD users without any loss of data
* Synchronize to timecode and video reference, with frame-edge accuracy, when using SYNC HD (sold separately)
* Get the ultimate hands-on control over your mixes using ICON or C|24 control surfaces
* Total flexibility—work with Mac or Windows, Pro Tools HD or third-party software, and more



Definitely something to at least think about... :baaa: The ability to be even more cross-functional with HD users would be a huge bonus, since if/when I take my LE versions of my tunes to a real studio and add tracks to them, chances are when I got them home there'd then be too much info for my current system to handle insert/effect-wise, even if there weren't too many tracks...



:guitar:

[GAR]

Definitely something to at least think about...

Not for those who've already upgraded since the Pentium II came out.

[Diamondjimi]

Not for those who've already upgraded since the Pentium II came out.

Give it up Shitheel. Your attempt at humour is pathetic. I can honestly say I've never chuckled at a single one of your attempts at being funny.

Face it, this shit is waaay over your balding head. So do everyone a favour. Sit down, stfu, read and learn.

And most importantly never reply in Gear Street AGAIN!

[jhale667]

That was an attempt at humor? :umm:


Nah...as usual, project much, epic GARfail? Only asking 'cause I heard the Alhambra library's computers are still P2s...:lol:

[Diamondjimi]

Lady GAR GAR! :lmao:

[GAR]

I've never chuckled at a single one of your attempts at being funny.

Don't be so exsanginated.

[Diamondjimi]

Don't be so exsanginated.

Your piss-poor attempts at humour are fellatious ...

[GAR]

How unbecoming! How uncouth.. how vapidly owned and extinguished.

Just give it up and quit being a dicktard.

[jhale667]

You first, dicknose. You admittedly don't own any recording gear, so why the fuck are you posting in this thread again? Oh, that's right...because you're a useless troll...

[Diamondjimi]

You first, dicknose. You admittedly don't own any recording gear, so why the fuck are you posting in this thread again? Oh, that's right...because you're a useless troll...

Exactly, exactly!

[GAR]

I don't need a dedicated DAW computer, when the wavelengths of my powerful will alone can etch glass, record direct to tape and hard-disk, and most certainly erase your mind from 30 miles away so don't fuck with me.

I have wavelenths, and I will use them if provoked. I mean, at this stage of my evolution, using the Interwebs is laziness on my part.. I apologize for stooping to your folks' level electronically, but when I get bored I like to reach out once in awhile even if it's not to mind-zap others.

[Diamondjimi]

I don't need a dedicated DAW computer, when the wavelengths of my powerful will alone can etch glass, record direct to tape and hard-disk, and most certainly erase your mind from 30 miles away so don't fuck with me.

I have wavelenths, and I will use them if provoked. I mean, at this stage of my evolution, using the Interwebs is laziness on my part.. I apologize for stooping to your folks' level electronically, but when I get bored I like to reach out once in awhile even if it's not to mind-zap others.


http://atomicvalley.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/moron1.jpg

[GAR]

simple response enough..

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[jhale667]

I don't need a dedicated DAW computer, when the wavelengths of my powerful will alone can etch glass, record direct to tape and hard-disk, and most certainly erase your mind from 30 miles away so don't fuck with me.

I have wavelenths, and I will use them if provoked. I mean, at this stage of my evolution, using the Interwebs is laziness on my part.. I apologize for stooping to your folks' level electronically, but when I get bored I like to reach out once in awhile even if it's not to mind-zap others.


Dude, step away from the crack-pipe. Slowly.

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTYMUfsW1K9SSQ_c40Y-5qRpRhh6hvHn_EGGriYlH-W9vkU6D8&t=1&usg=__Xu8WOngREKeGLERRck1swzISH8w=

[jhale667]

Seriously.

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[BigBadBrian]

How unbecoming! How uncouth.. how vapidly owned and extinguished.

Just give it up and quit being a dicktard.

I came here to get a primer on recording. You're a primer on stupidity.

Get the fuck out of my thread, bitch.

Thanks to all others who are trying to help.

[Diamondjimi]

I came here to get a primer on recording. You're a primer on stupidity.

Get the fuck out of my thread, bitch.

Thanks to all others who are trying to help.

The ONLY forum GARfail should be allowed to post in is The Dump. :shiznit:

So... B.B.B. Where are you at with your decisions. Have you made your mind up on what you wanna do?

[Diamondjimi]

I came here to get a primer on recording. You're a primer on stupidity.

Get the fuck out of my thread, bitch.

Thanks to all others who are trying to help.

The ONLY forum GARfail should be allowed to post in is The Dump. :shiznit:

So... B.B.B. Where are you at with your decisions. Have you made your mind up on what you wanna do?

[Diamondjimi]

Now that I'm replacing the drums on my latest, I've noticed my current mix has cleaned up a lot.
I've been doing new mixes and cross referencing them using ear bud style headphones.
The results are great. The buds are like magnifying your mix x10. It's a great technique .

Anyone else use headphones to cross reference/compare mixes?

[chefcraig]

I always preferred using a set of phones, rather than relying on the speakers in the studio. For one reason, I always felt the speakers were sort of bright, and what you were hearing on playback was not what the recorder (and later, computer) was registering. In effect, the speakers were lying, if that makes sense.

The downside to using cans is the possibility of ear fatigue is enhanced greatly. The sound is concentrated into your cranium, and if you are going over the same track for about the sixth (or in my case, the 15th) time, you tend to get burnt out much quicker than sitting in the open air, with your ears "breathing". When working on two or three tracks at a time, I found myself going for a series of quick mixes, setting them aside then returning to them later to avoid fatigue. Otherwise, you will find just as strange a phenomenon taking place as using open air mixing: You will begin to hear things that are not there. Seriously, one time during a track's playback after a long, grueling day of mixing (and arguing), the guy I was working with potted down the bass part entirely, then asked the bassist what he thought of the track. The bassist replied that he felt the mix was fine, even though his part was not even in evidence on the track!

So it just goes to show you that regardless what method of monitor you employ, be it cans or regular speakers (Hell, I've heard of artists doing mix down using car speakers or even an actual automobile!), it is best that you are in good shape or are at least not nodding off at the desk. :baaa:

[Diamondjimi]

I always preferred using a set of phones, rather than relying on the speakers in the studio. For one reason, I always felt the speakers were sort of bright, and what you were hearing on playback was not what the recorder (and later, computer) was registering. In effect, the speakers were lying, if that makes sense.

Were you mixing with home audio speakers? I try to use as many playback sources as possible for referrence. Home stereo, car stereo, small boom box, cd playing alarm clock. Def. good to use as many options for referrence. It's true about speakers inflecting to much 'sweetness" or an over abundance of unwanted highs. ( I assume you were referring to home speakers). I use self powered studio monitors. I find that if I mix things toosparkle up the high & low end too much, when I listen back through the various at my disposal, those opposite end of the spectrum frequencies are extreme to the point of cringe. I all was hold back a bit and leave room for tuning it in during the mastering phase of production. That goes as well for mixdown output levels. Save some headroom for the mastering guy...



The downside to using cans is the possibility of ear fatigue is enhanced greatly. The sound is concentrated into your cranium, and if you are going over the same track for about the sixth (or in my case, the 15th) time, you tend to get burnt out much quicker than sitting in the open air, with your ears "breathing". When working on two or three tracks at a time, I found myself going for a series of quick mixes, setting them aside then returning to them later to avoid fatigue. Otherwise, you will find just as strange a phenomenon taking place as using open air mixing: You will begin to hear things that are not there. Seriously, one time during a track's playback after a long, grueling day of mixing (and arguing), the guy I was working with potted down the bass part entirely, then asked the bassist what he thought of the track. The bassist replied that he felt the mix was fine, even though his part was not even in evidence on the track!

Ear fatigue is brutal. In the past I'd get carried away mixing and not realizing the amount of time that had passed. One time I drifted far off to the outer reaches of the mixing universe and suddenly realized that everything sounded muffled and warbly and even drifting in pitch (music and the human voice). I was cooked. Scary thing is this stayed with me for 2 full days afterward.. Breaks, know your limits and take 'em (breaks) ;)



it is best that you are in good shape or are at least not nodding off at the desk. :baaa:

Exactly!

[Diamondjimi]

One note on headphone choice. I've found more comfort and control by using ear bud style h-phones. I find them connecting more direct with the audio and they don't have that boxey sound cans can tend to have. Try the two and see. Big difference... ;)

[Diamondjimi]

Me likes these... http://reviews.cnet.com/headphones/klipsch-image-s4-earphones/4505-7877_7-33577358.html?tag=contentMain;contentBody

[GAR]

I came here to get a primer on recording. You're a primer on stupidity.

How.. vitriolic?

[jhale667]

I came here to get a primer on recording. You're a primer on stupidity.

Get the fuck out of my thread, bitch.

Thanks to all others who are trying to help.



How.. vitriolic?

More like how accurate. :fufu:


So what have you decided on, or are leaning towards, BBB?

[jhale667]

One note on headphone choice. I've found more comfort and control by using ear bud style h-phones. I find them connecting more direct with the audio and they don't have that boxey sound cans can tend to have. Try the two and see. Big difference... ;)

I've tried both...seems like the ear buds may fatigue your ears a bit faster, but agree they may sound a smidge better. I've also got the Sony MDR-V150s...they do the job, but I'm not a huge fan of recording guitar tracks with them on while I'm standing...it's much easier to do that when someone else is hitting "record" and "stop" for you, though... :D


I too use self-powered monitors and notice they sound a bit brighter than what you're actually putting down...trying out mixes on different speaker sources is a great idea.


:guitar:

[Diamondjimi]

Also, try breaking your mixing sessions into 2.
First I mix a few tunes at low volume for a while. Take a break, (minimum 30 minutes is good), get some fresh air /watch tv.
I try and expose my ears to anything but music. Sort of cleans the sonic pallet.
Part 2, I'll go back and check my mixes at a loud(ish) level and compare the balance of the mix between the two volumes and make any necessary adjustments ..

There's always something..... :biggrin:

[Diamondjimi]

Also, try breaking your mixing sessions into 2.
First I mix a few tunes at low volume for a while. Take a break, (minimum 30 minutes is good), get some fresh air /watch tv.
I try and expose my ears to anything but music. Sort of cleans the sonic pallet.
Part 2, I'll go back and check my mixes at a loud(ish) level and compare the balance of the mix between the two volumes and make any necessary adjustments ..

There's always something..... :biggrin:

[GAR]

I too use self-powered monitors and notice they sound a bit brighter than what you're actually putting down.

LOLZ uffaak, really..? You're truly baiting the abuse with that one!

Powered speakers like 30 dollar Altec-Lansing 3 watters, which have nothing in-legacy with the actual name, have no bass-end and are flat between 300-1800hz then go off from there similar to the response in a door buzzer.

Go to Speaker City on the weekend, and tell them what you're doing.
Tell them to select a pair of woofers, tweeters, enclosures and crossover components, and a diagram on how to wire it up at home.

Then dig up a decent solid-state Sansui or Marantz home stereo receiver at a thrift store, or CL for around $20 bucks.
The I/O switching functions alone on the back panel will be more than worth the $20, and will power splenty what you want to do.

It's hard for me to believe you can't afford a decent playback system. It's cheap to do and requires a little studying up on so you should take some time out.. no wonder all your recordings sound fucked-up. You have no playback!

[GAR]

I'm sure there's something here you can use..


http://losangeles.craigslist.org/lgb/ele/2006684020.html


Speakers for Sale RCA Pioneer Aiwa - $20 (Hawiian Gardens)

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[Diamondjimi]

What a clueless fucktard.
Self powered monitors are the best way to get a true feel for the tones you record. They can be tuned to the environment you're mixing in and are less likely to colour your signal without using a third party power.(home stereo receiver)
They are colourless for a reason, Dumbass. And when I refer to "colourless", I mean that they basically run flatter in frequency tuning. (i.e. NO BASS and TREBLE)

Give it up. And keep the fuck out of Gear Street! :Loser:

[jhale667]

What a hammerhead. :lol:

[GAR]

What a clueless fucktard. Self powered monitors are the best way to get a true feel for the tones you record.

ahhhhhh.... yuh.

I think you're really serious here, but even if you're joking it makes one DAMN funny siggy~!!

[GAR]

What a hammerhead. :lol:

Hahahahhahhaa~!! Yeah.. every A-list studio I've been in, including the one I built, had self-powered monitors.

[Diamondjimi]

ahhhhhh.... yuh.

I think you're really serious here, but even if you're joking it makes one DAMN funny siggy~!!

If you believe I'm wrong, why aren't you making your case, otherwise ?

Prove me wrong, Forrest!

[Diamondjimi]

Hahahahhahhaa~!! Yeah.. every A-list studio I've been in, including the one I built, had self-powered monitors.

The thread is about Home studio's. NOT A-list studios. Try to follow along, or better yet, FuCkOfF!

[jhale667]

Hahahahhahhaa~!! Yeah.. every A-list studio I've been in, including the one I built, had self-powered monitors.

Fucktard - isn't the thread is about home recording...DUH

[GAR]

hahahaahaahaaa... oh god.. stop - killin' me HAHAHAHa

[Diamondjimi]

http://mybroadband.co.za/photos/data/500/Derail_1.jpg


http://www.funnyforumpics.com/forums/GTFO/2/gtfo~4.jpg



:Loser: :shiznit:

[jhale667]

http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg31/jballen/signs/thread-direction.jpg

:Loser:

[Diamondjimi]

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRCxVivKDmDIUsvA5cu8H6kvtMZSC9f_ lESZonBmEgJTxz3-9w&t=1&usg=__Bf5DjA5Vnd3_qoSNi0gdVOY9SOo=

Hahahahhahhaa~!! Yeah.. every A-list studio I've been in, including the one I built, had self-powered monitors.

Ahahahaha... missed that one!!! :lmao:

[jhale667]

Here ya go, BBB...

http://www.m-audiodirect.co.uk/blog/how-to-set-up-a-home-music-studio/

How To Set Up A Home Music Studio

Home music studios are a great way to get started on composing and experimenting with the music that you like. Whatever your reason, having a music studio at home will be the first step in taking your music to the next level. Not only are music studios easy to manage, they also allow you to jump on and start recording at any time. Music studios are fun, a definite wow factor to any room and an essential kit to any music enthusiasts.

Below is a step by step guide on how to set up a home music studio:

* Buy the best headphones you can afford. Not only do headphones allow you to listen to your music and compositions uninterrupted, they will ensure that you won’t have complaints from anybody next door either. Top quality headphones will ensure that the right sound quality comes through. M-Audio would probably be a good place to visit for sound hardware.Alternatively, if you wish not to use headphones when listening to tracks on your home music studio, then you can link up the system with speakers. There are a variety of high quality speakers that may come of use when you need it.

* Get some decent microphones. This is the key to having a good home music studio. If you can’t record what you play, then you will spend more time trying to configure your hardware than any actual recording. It is a good idea to purchase a MIDI device, which will allow you to set up your music studio with your preferred instrument. MIDI’s are especially designed to be able to record on computers, so this is a good choice for the music home studio.

* Make sure you have the right software. For most users, all of the tracks and data files will be stored on a computer. Therefore, making sure that you have the right software is extremely important for a good home studio. Take into account that a MIDI is a NOT an audio signal, and therefore the right software on the computer is required to turn it into what we would understand as ‘audio’. Most MIDI’s can run off something as simple as a USB midi controller, so it is not too complicated to set up.

* Understand room dynamics. In order to make the most out of your home studio experience, you will want to find a place where the studio can operate the best without being cluttered by other objects. If possible, dedicate an entire room to the music studio, and make sure that it is well insulated.

These are the fundamentals to creating a good home music studio. The first step is always to look for the right combination of hardware that will fit your needs and whatever space you have to dedicate to it. Aside from that, after you have your home music studio, check up on your surroundings, the room especially, and see if any improvements could be made. Remember that the atmosphere that surrounds the studio will have an impact on how the you perform on the studio set. After the initial set up and checks have been completed, your home music studio is ready to start recording!


http://www.m-audiodirect.co.uk/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/Home-Studio.bmp

[BigBadBrian]

So... B.B.B. Where are you at with your decisions. Have you made your mind up on what you wanna do?

More or less.

I want to run pro tools out of a macbook pro. I'm still looking at interfaces but it's definitely going to be firewire based. Looking at DigiDesign Digi 003 Factory bundle....whaddya think? Plug ins limke POD Farm or Recabinet are going to have to wait awhile.

[kwame k]

That sounds like a good start, BBB :beers8:

[Diamondjimi]

More or less.

I want to run pro tools out of a macbook pro. I'm still looking at interfaces but it's definitely going to be firewire based. Looking at DigiDesign Digi 003 Factory bundle....whaddya think? Plug ins limke POD Farm or Recabinet are going to have to wait awhile.

Sounds good. Podfarm will cost a few bucks but Recabinet is practically free...click (http://www.recabi.net/). Grab it while it's cheap and burn it to disc so when you need it you have it.... ;)

[GAR]

Why waste time with Protools if you got a mac? Why not just run straight to Logic anyways..

[jhale667]

:duh: Pay no attention to this jackass, BBB (not that you were).... sounds like a killer set up.


And STFU, GARfail.

[Etienne]

...Looking at DigiDesign Digi 003 Factory bundle....whaddya think?...
Are 4 Mic-Preamps enough for you?

[GAR]

I'd like to thank a certain Junior Member #7,279 for at times attempting to speak on behalf of myself, or Member #51 when instead we've asked only for opinions.

Please explain now why comparatively he should go with Protools as opposed to Logic with a new setup.

[GAR]

Free-air common system cones would far outperform a plasticy, tinny selfpowered-set.

Unfortunately Jay, someone already picked up that $20 pile and made off like a bandit!

I hope for your sake that was you who picked 'em up. There's no excuse now.. I've lead you this far you'll have to figure it out for yourself.

[Etienne]

...I don't want to buy a basic interface and want to upgrade six months down the road.
Drums: 6 or more Mics http://homerecording.about.com/od/recordingtutorials/ss/recordingdrums.htm
Drums: 4 Mics (Glyn Johns Method) http://homerecording.about.com/od/recordingtutorials/a/glyn_johns.htm

[Anonymous]

I'd like to thank a certain Junior Member #7,279 for at times attempting to speak on behalf of myself, or Member #51 when instead we've asked only for opinions.

Please explain now why comparatively he should go with Protools as opposed to Logic with a new setup.

Here's member 5226 speaking on behalf of the entire internets.

Shut the fuck up & jump off a fuckin' bridge, loser!

Cheers! :bottle:

[Diamondjimi]

Here's member 5226 speaking on behalf of the entire internets.

Shut the fuck up & jump off a fuckin' bridge, loser!

Cheers! :bottle:

Exactly!

[jhale667]

Oh, FFS - STFU, GAR.

[GAR]

FF-wha? How about it Jay, why is Protools a better choice than Logic if he's using Mac..

[GAR]

Okay, if I was going Mac, I'd get an Apogee ONE and use it with Logic.

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.. sweetwater has it obviously = 249 with softcase and micstand holder.

I've been to a clinic with the guy talking here, its USB interface but since it does a/d conversion onboard, he told me firewire was unnecessary due to unused throughput transfer for even the USB.. no lagging.

Apogee ONE has a built-in mic w 65db of gain, which is ALOT. Meaning, if you do alot of emo whispering tunes like Coldplay and such, or portable ideas-catching stuff, the extra gain and tiny size works great for it.

You can use it with Finalcut Pro, Garageband, Protools or Logic.

[jhale667]

FF-wha? How about it Jay, why is Protools a better choice than Logic if he's using Mac..

How about, BESIDES THE AFOREMENTIONED FACT THAT IT'S THE INDUSTRY STANDARD, YOU IDIOT - because it's specifically designed to work with Macs, hammerhead. Get a PT HD system, comes with a dedicated Mac.
It happens to also work with PCs - as a matter of fact, I set up all my track info to be completely interchangeable on a Mac....because I can.


And for the record, no one cares "what you'd do ...IF" - so STFU already.

[Etienne]

BBB setup with a Mackie Onyx 1620i (8 Mic-Pres / Analog Monitoring / Firewire Interface)

http://www.mackie.com/products/onyx1620i/

What do you think, people?

[jhale667]

BBB setup with a Mackie Onyx 1620i (8 Mic-Pres / Analog Monitoring / Firewire Interface)

http://www.mackie.com/products/onyx1620i/

What do you think, people?

Nice, if you need that big a board at home...certainly wouldn't turn it down... :cool:

[GAR]

How about, BESIDES THE AFOREMENTIONED FACT THAT IT'S THE INDUSTRY STANDARD, YOU IDIOT

Logic has taken half of a previously-80% share from Protools in the Mac market since 2005.

Quit living like it's still 1997 n'shit get your facts straight.

[Diamondjimi]

Why are you still here, shitting all over Gear Street???

Fuck off and eat a gun!

[jhale667]

FUCK your market share bullshit GARfail! You don't play, you don't own guitar gear, much less recording gear, so do us all a favor:

STFU and GTFO!

[jhale667]

BACK ON TOPIC...

You may find this helpful, BBB...

Set Up Recording Studio Using Pro Tools

Author: David Franz
Lesson description

Want to produce your own music or someone else's music at home, but don't know where to begin? Producer, musician, and online instructor David Franz shows you how to begin with a lesson on how to set up your home studio.

http://www.berkleeshares.com/production__technology/set_up_recording_studio_pro_tools

[Nitro Express]

I think the best approach to recording is to keep it simple and try and get it perfect on the first take. Use good microphones, have the right room to record in, headphones seem to be the way to go instead of monitors, and place the microphones correctly. More important is the content of what you are recording. If the music is shit nothing in the mix can help it. You can't polish a turd. Great songs well played can make up for less than ideal recording. So don't diddle it to death, get a pretty good copy down, polish it a bit and be happy. Too many musicians fuck it up with over diddling in the studio and then they can't play it live.

If anything digital tools have made recording cheaper, more accessable for the average person, and is better for editing. Analog still sounds better.

[Jagermeister]

I think the best approach to recording is to keep it simple and try and get it perfect on the first take. Use good microphones, have the right room to record in, headphones seem to be the way to go instead of monitors, and place the microphones correctly. More important is the content of what you are recording. If the music is shit nothing in the mix can help it. You can't polish a turd. Great songs well played can make up for less than ideal recording. So don't diddle it to death, get a pretty good copy down, polish it a bit and be happy. Too many musicians fuck it up with over diddling in the studio and then they can't play it live.

If anything digital tools have made recording cheaper, more accessable for the average person, and is better for editing. Analog still sounds better.

I keep it real simple. I use my lap top, a cheap plug in mic and Nero Ultra. :biggrin: I bought an old reel to reel recorder but I never used it. It's for sale if anyone is interested.

[GAR]

Analog still sounds better.

True, you can't "polish a turd" but let me just say something on that, having myself done alot of polishing:

1. To do what you can do these days now, in automating moves like merges, fades, basically anything you needed two or sometimes three pairs of hands on the board for, with one mouseclick, is amazing and I'll take functionality over sound quality any day. Most of what I've done.. dunno about you guys, but working alone has always been for songwriting purposes.

2. Working alone "polishing turds" in your offtime is GREAT because it teaches you many levels of sound engineering theory and technique when all one really expects to get out of any of it is: demo'ing their songs together.

3. Working alone is basically free, aside from software costs (usually under $250) but prepares you on your way to someday... working with analogue? I always expected to work empirically toward that goal myself, however AGFA, BASF, Scotch 3M and (Taiyo Uden-TDK?) are nearly done phasing out production of tape. In fact, look at the cost of replacement cartridges for Echoplexes now on Ebay it's rediculous. Everyone knows analogue tape is in its' sunset hours but I agree there's nothing better sounding than tape. It's physics 101..

4. "Too many musicians fuck it up with over diddling in the studio and then they can't play it live." True but I'd counter that with, at the very least it enables new music of any kind to get out. Maybe it's given us our share of Linkin Parks, Limp Bizkits and Chemical Romances, but it's also brought us the Taylor Swifts out there who nobody would waste a second glance.

I think digital recording is a great development tool, and so what if some sucky acts rise to prominence momentarily out of using it, when they can't really play? The germ of the song idea rules over all anyways.

[GAR]

I bought an old reel to reel recorder but I never used it. It's for sale if anyone is interested.

Have you tried using it as a mic preamp, i have a few both solid-state and tube.. aside from using them like a pedal to warm the gain up on the input they're going to be obsolete.

[Seshmeister]

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[BigBadBrian]

BACK ON TOPIC...

You may find this helpful, BBB...

Set Up Recording Studio Using Pro Tools

Author: David Franz
Lesson description

Want to produce your own music or someone else's music at home, but don't know where to begin? Producer, musician, and online instructor David Franz shows you how to begin with a lesson on how to set up your home studio.

http://www.berkleeshares.com/production__technology/set_up_recording_studio_pro_tools

Good...thank you!!!

What do you guys know about Presonus? Is that brand any good?

[Diamondjimi]

Presonus makes great stuff. Very solid. I'm using the Firestudio (http://www.presonus.com/products/Detail.aspx?ProductId=5) interface. Linked via Lightpipe with the Presonus Digimax FS
(http://www.presonus.com/products/Detail.aspx?ProductId=13)

http://www.cutoff.es/images/presonus-firestudio.gif

http://www.gigasonic.com/images/OFFIMG_presonusdigimax96k.jpg.jpg

http://en.woodbrass.com/images/woodbrass/PRESONUS+FIRESTUDIO+INTERFACE+AUDIO+FIREWIRE-4.JPG

[GAR]

Presonus pre's are warm and lush, not meaty but will do just fine and the hardware is in a decent price range.

UNLIKE the Event products of days past like the Echo and Darla cards and dac boxes.. I hope we never see multi-input dac-boxes in the $1000+ range ever again.. I don't see a reason for that anymore unless what?

512K sampling rate?!?! 1meg, 2 meg, 8 meg etc? Megabyte-range sampling-rates that can calculate the "missing" bottom end that drives everyone's claims of digital's harshness and briteness.. is never going to happen until PLAYBACK hardware like iPods and car radios have the same capacity.

- so that's why I conclude there's not much gonna happen in advancement in the way of digital pre's and dac-boxes. Presonus would be a good choice for Brian.

[Diamondjimi]

Presonus pre's are warm and lush, not meaty but will do just fine and the hardware is in a decent price range.
.

True, but seriously. Hopw the fuck would you know?

[GAR]

Presonus has been around longer than you have..

[Diamondjimi]

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_CqtZ6YfaifQ/SfYXTB9F-1I/AAAAAAAABx4/hbIXSZ4TRaE/s400/stupidburnstoon.jpg

[jhale667]

:lmao:

[chefcraig]

Remarkably enough, using root beer or wine instead of tap water in a bong brings unexpectedly delightful results. http://www.easyfreesmileys.com/smileys/smoking-030.gif (http://www.easyfreesmileys.com/skype-emoticons.html)

[Seshmeister]

One of the few good lines Dennis Leary had that he didn't steal off Bill Hicks was 'I gave up smoking dope because I got sick of having to build things'. :)

[GAR]

Too bad he never picked up music.

[chefcraig]

One of the few good lines Dennis Leary had that he didn't steal off Bill Hicks was 'I gave up smoking dope because I got sick of having to build things'. :)

We truly are living in hell while on Earth. How else to explain why imbeciles possessing not even a thimble full of the talent of a guy like Hicks (and have resorted to ripping off his entire act lock, stock and barrel) have managed to survive and in some cases flourish, while the man himself rots in the dirt and if not totally forgotten, is rarely even mentioned?

[Seshmeister]

Well Hicks is worshipped in comedian circles and had a movie of his life made last year but yeah he died ridiculously young.

Considering how angry he got about the first Gulf War though, I have to think if he hadn't went when he did he would have dropped dead with a stroke about the second. :)

[GAR]

Hicks would have chosen Apogee ONE over Presonus, for simplicity's sake.

If you need more inputs than L and R, get an old Tascam board like an M-series with 8 or more channels, you'll have onboard-everything (eq, buss, VU, subs etc) for recording live, for around $75 bucks. Plus, the M-series had warm EQ's with phantom power built-in for mics. Sometimes, you need that. I never did with my $4 dollar Radio Shack cardiod mics.. but I dig grass.

Zappa mounted his boards on the wall, basically set levels and left it alone out of the way. That's how I'd do it.

Get a separate board, get a ONE unit, or the stereo Apogee unit the One is based on alone.

[Seshmeister]

I'm looking at maybe getting one of these Yamaha things.

A bit expensive though.

Philocast HD: Yamaha 01x Review from Jason Burns on Vimeo.

[GAR]

One thing I've experienced with both Yamaha's system, and Roland's (edirol I think it was) is initially they boast alot of features, they've worked alot of proprietary standards they think everyone will be so amazed that the industry will turn on a dime to follow, but then that's as far as it gets.

Like Roland's GS-extended midi set spec came out with their Rap-10 4-chan soundcard sounded phenomenal, but no other mfrs wanted to sign on because they'd then have to sign on with Roland to license an expanded library and buy the chips with the stored-set in 'em. That spec died.

I have a hard time with Yamaha-anything.. if you're going to spend alot of time from friends and family locked away studying recording formats that won't be around in 5 years kinda defeats the purpose.

This is why I'd prefer to spend a little more on a top-rated / industry standard than get locked into tracks that I can't export to future interfaces.

[Seshmeister]

I'm fed up fucking around trying to get things to work rather than actually playing.

I like the idea that the Yamaha stuff is integrated with the software, if it's proprietary that makes no difference to me as long as I can get a WAV or MP3 mix out of it at the end.

When we go into a proper studio we will rerecord the drum tracks with an acoustic kit so everything else will need to be redone anyway.

[Diamondjimi]

Zappa mounted his boards on the wall, basically set levels and left it alone out of the way.

:lmao: That's funny, right there.

Do you stay up all night dreaming this shit up? :lol:

Post a link, Bitch!

[Etienne]

Would it be a good idea to see a Presonus Digimax FS (8 Mic-Pres) as an Expansion to a Digidesign 003? Is it possible via Adat-Optical-Link? 96kHz?

[GAR]

:lmao: That's funny, right there.

Do you stay up all night dreaming this shit up? :lol:

Post a link, Bitch!

Go find it yourself, Googleboy.

[GAR]

Would it be a good idea to see a Presonus Digimax FS (8 Mic-Pres) as an Expansion to a Digidesign 003? Is it possible via Adat-Optical-Link? 96kHz?

Presonus makes good units but do you need 8 real-time inputs?

[Diamondjimi]

Would it be a good idea to see a Presonus Digimax FS (8 Mic-Pres) as an Expansion to a Digidesign 003? Is it possible via Adat-Optical-Link? 96kHz?

Absolutely. The more inputs the better. As for linking, Lightpipe would be optimal if the 003 also has this option...

[jhale667]

Absolutely. The more inputs the better. As for linking, Lightpipe would be optimal if the 003 also has this option...


http://www3.digidesign.com/index.cfm?itemid=5028&langid=100 :cool:

[GAR]

$1200 msrp? Exsqueeze me for being a cheap Scot but what would this do any differently than a 2-input dacbox 1000 bux less if used with an old Tascam mixer?

I mean, you do realize each additional input on that thing is doing computational wav processing right.. and if you only ever use 1 or 2 channels at a time songwriting, riffing or making demos I don't see the need - and I'm the guy that's built a few studios so pardon my ignorance if this is some Amazing Wonderbox that does something revolutionary I hadn't been aware of.

I dont' claim to know everything out there now, been out of the loop about 5 years now in tech stuff, but our last studio did have several 888's - which that appears to be a mere update of - and was also 8 input realtime dac's..

[Etienne]

Presonus makes good units but do you need 8 real-time inputs?

Drums: 6 or more Mic-Pres http://homerecording.about.com/od/recordingtutorials/ss/recordingdrums.htm
Drums: 4 Mic-Pres (Glyn Johns Method) http://homerecording.about.com/od/recordingtutorials/a/glyn_johns.htm

[Diamondjimi]

$1200 msrp? Exsqueeze me for being a cheap Scot but what would this do any differently than a 2-input dacbox 1000 bux less if used with an old Tascam mixer?

I mean, you do realize each additional input on that thing is doing computational wav processing right.. and if you only ever use 1 or 2 channels at a time songwriting, riffing or making demos I don't see the need - and I'm the guy that's built a few studios so pardon my ignorance if this is some Amazing Wonderbox that does something revolutionary I hadn't been aware of.

I dont' claim to know everything out there now, been out of the loop about 5 years now in tech stuff, but our last studio did have several 888's - which that appears to be a mere update of - and was also 8 input realtime dac's..

Shut the fuck up, Stupid!

Sweeping up drywall dust and fetching coffee's (via temp service ) does not make you a studio builder...

You need to realize, Mensa, that most people don't record their demos into their cell phone like yourself. So stop talkin shit about you "building" studios and yapping on about 2 inputs is ALL one needs for a home studio....

True you can get away with two, but any more tan 2 mics are needed for a session... you're fucked.

It's all about the options...

[Etienne]

Let's talk about A/D...D/A-Latency. Are you drummers here very sensitive concerning digital monitoring? Do you prefer an analog record/mixing-board for monitoring? Is it a must for you?

[jhale667]

Shut the fuck up, Stupid!

Sweeping up drywall dust and fetching coffee's (via temp service ) does not make you a studio builder...

You need to realize, Mensa, that most people don't record their demos into their cell phone like yourself. So stop talkin shit about you "building" studios and yapping on about 2 inputs is ALL one needs for a home studio....

True you can get away with two, but any more tan 2 mics are needed for a session... you're fucked.

It's all about the options...

Exactly. My Mbox II is fine for the house, but if/when I want to do live drums I either have to A ) Do them in a pro $tudio with Pro Tools HD and multiple inputs to fully mic the kit and room, or B ) Do a sub-mix off the same or similar mic-setup w/a normal board in a rehearsal studio and be stuck with the resulting stereo drum track (better hope you like what you and/or your drummer come up with the 1st time) that would be difficult to tweak later...

And though I've had admittedly limited experience trading PT files with people so far, what I got from someone with HD is a file that I can open in LE and add tracks to, but I can't open or manipulate any of the existing tracks (apart from their levels) w/ LE.

Perhaps GAyR should consider starting with something like Pro Tools bargain-basement-but-still-cool SE platform...

http://gadgetwise.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/10/28/making-music-like-a-pro-sort-of/?src=twt&twt=gadgetwise

But can you install it on the computer at the library? :lol:

http://www.billhart.co.uk/library/QueensCres.jpg

[jhale667]

Remarkably enough, using root beer or wine instead of tap water in a bong brings unexpectedly delightful results. http://www.easyfreesmileys.com/smileys/smoking-030.gif (http://www.easyfreesmileys.com/skype-emoticons.html)

Two words: Apple. Juice. :baaa:

[GAR]

Etienne's issue is teh exact point I'm trying to pose for comment:

Passive mixers do no processing whatsoever, however every channel on these 8-dac units (and there are several non-Avid ones now) is churning data in real-time while recording.

I'm wondering if there's a disadvantage to that, i.e. popping, clicking, hard-drive access noise inducement, skipping and other such processing maladies were you WONT find that with a passive board.. and recently at a freinds' place, he had not one mixer but two, and then the multi-IO dacbox. So even he's thinking like I was in his setup..

But I don't know if I want to fully mic a kit up one on every skin.. the lost dynamic reaction with that kind of setup brings me to question such ideas where it's not all that necessary.

[Etienne]

For every signal we want to manipulate separately and finally mixdown with the others digitally in the DAW (Digital Audio Workstation), we need a physical ADC (Analog Digital Converter).

[Etienne]

Let's talk about A/D...D/A-Latency. Are you drummers here very sensitive concerning digital monitoring? Do you prefer an analog record/mixing-board for monitoring? Is it a must for you?

Drummers, where are you?

[SunisinuS]

Drummers, where are you?


Right here....what are you on about? Been a drummer since I was 5 (39 years now). And no. What I am concerned about when recording is clarity. Clarity can be obtained via digital or just old school analog mic placement.

[GAR]

I agree that no matter how many mics you have on a kit, ultimately you're only dealing with L and R inputs - and it's more dynamic with less noise to subgroup just those 2 inputs to dac than to mic live inputs to discrete dacs. It's not only not economical, it's somewhat impractical because after you patch 'em in, you have to patch 'em out again when you go record some other instrument.

[Etienne]

For every signal we want to manipulate separately and finally mixdown with the others digitally in the DAW (Digital Audio Workstation), we need a physical ADC (Analog Digital Converter).

For record at the same time or we overdub.

[GAR]

For recording many mics, external submixer good have.

[Etienne]

Pro Tools 9 now runs with any ASIO or Core Audio interface!

http://www.soundonsound.com/news?NewsID=13343

[jhale667]

Pro Tools 9 now runs with any ASIO or Core Audio interface!

http://www.soundonsound.com/news?NewsID=13343

Yep, thinking about upgrading to (LE) 9 this summer as part of an overall system overhaul...doubting it'll be free like the 8 upgrade was, but still worth it.

:guitar:

(Just checked...$249 to "crossgrade" from LE to 9...not bad!)

[Hardrock69]

I use a Roland VS 1680 for tracking.

For mixdown I use Reaper. All the functionality of ProTools with a much cheaper cost. Versions for Windows 32, Windows 64, Mac OS X 32 and 64 bit.

http://www.reaper.fm/about.php

Download page. Latest version released 2 days ago. New updates quite often.

http://www.reaper.fm/download.php


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Free to try out for 30 days. Does not become crippled after 30 days, just gives you a nag screen.

After 30 days you must buy a license:

http://www.reaper.fm/purchase.php


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[Hardrock69]

Ah fucking hell. Back to the double posts caused by using Google Chrome.

[Diamondjimi]

Dude, shitcan the GC and stick with Firefox. Haven't many good things aboot GC... ;)

[Seshmeister]

I've been using Chrome here for months with no problems.

[Diamondjimi]

You on high speed connection?

I think HR is out in the sticks with a low speed connection, if memory serves...

[Seshmeister]

Yeah pretty fast connection here.

If you do a side by side comparison Chrome is faster at loading complex pages than Firefox. Where it falls down is on some sites stuff like buttons don't work or it can act strangely.

Here it's been fine but I work between the two of them plus Safari on my iPhone.

I never use Internet Explorer these days if I can avoid it.

[chefcraig]

Yeah pretty fast connection here.

If you do a side by side comparison Chrome is faster at loading complex pages than Firefox. Where it falls down is on some sites stuff like buttons don't work or it can act strangely.

Here it's been fine but I work between the two of them plus Safari on my iPhone.

I never use Internet Explorer these days if I can avoid it.

I switched over to Chrome when Firefox started having issues last year. I think FF has had about six or seven upgrades since then, and still hasn't been able to straighten out it's issues with Adobe for Flash. I am back to FF, but still maintain Chrome as a back up, as FF has a wonderful habit of crashing at the worst possible time. Oh, that's right, FF Support has changed the definition of what is taking place. Now the idiots refer to it as a "hang", instead of a "crash". :umm:

[Hardrock69]

I still am not 100% sure it is Chrome, but seems every time it happened it was when I was using Chrome.

Thing is, yes, I am in the stix and I STILL do not have broadband. So I have to take every last molecule of speed I can get.

I decided last year to try Chrome, and is way faster than FF where I am at. Though I like FF, and still use it for certain things, I tend to use Chrome most of the time these days.
If I had broadband, I would probably stick with FF, but then, I dunno. When I do get broadband, I may stick with Chrome then for all I know. ;)

[jhale667]

I'm using FF over here with no issues.

So I found out the upgrade to PT 9 will require also upgrading to Windows 7 (have been being stubborn and sticking with XP, especially after reading PT 8 had issues with Win7!) so at that point - I may as well just build a whole new computer. It's about that time anyway, this one while still running great (and fast) overall, is having some motherboard issues of late. It served me well, but it's like any other part of a system or instrument, every few years they wear out and need to be replaced. Shouldn't be too big a deal, just copy my program files from the current C drive and add them to the new system, transfer licenses, migrate my storage drives to the new system. Done.

I went and checked out motherboards and processors yesterday (gotta love having a Frys in the neighborhood) on a fact-finding/pricing expedition, and the sales guy I got was apparently also a musician and assured me I could easily get away with running Pro Tools 9 on a Quad-core CPU no problems, and going full six-core would be expensive overkill. Gotta appreciate sales people trying to actually save you money instead of trying to get you to go for the big-ticket item. So I'll upgrade the motherboard and processor, and will have to pop for a new video card too (which means I'll be able to run both monitors on DVI cables now instead of the DVI/VGA set-up. Dual HD, bummer! :hee: ) When all is said and done I'll probably end up spending almost as much as I spent in '05 and having another machine that'll have a good 5-year lifespan and totally smoke the first one. It'll be fairly easy too since unlike the last time, I've done it before.

But all things considered, the PT 9 upgrade will be the final piece of that puzzle. And though it'll cost, it's alway fun and educational to do...

[Hardrock69]

I am running Quad Core Phenom 9600. I am finally at a point where I have a machine that cannot be bogged down. 32 bit, so I have maxed out the physical memory, but still have upgrade room.

You running 32-bit or 64? I have not been running 64 bit yet, though my Phenom is 64-bit capable.

Memory limitations for Win7


Here they are, for the 64-bit editions (32-bit editions will all be capped at the standard 4GB):

Starter: 8GB
Home Basic: 8GB
Home Premium: 16GB
Professional: 192GB
Enterprise: 192GB
Ultimate: 192GB



You will have a killer system when you get it going!

I have plenty of room on my setup for upgrades. I have an AM2+ socket on my mobo that will also run AM3 CPUs. When I first bought my hardware, I got 4 single gig sticks of Geil Black Dragon gaming ram (1066), then after I got it all put together I discovered the mobo won't run in Dual Channel mode unless I use (2) 2-gig sticks, one in each channel. It also will not run the memory at 1066 hz unless I use that setup, so my memory for right now is single channel, running at 800 mhz.

And someday I will upgrade to 64 bit. :D

Anyways, fuck all that. Congrats on the decision to go for a new machine. Yes, I think 6-core is overkill, as the prices do not justify the purchase right now. Hell, quad core CPUs are down under 75 bucks these days new. Like all else, it will eventually drop in price. See if you can find a mobo that will have a socket pinout that the quad cores AND the 6-cores can use, so someday when the 6 core stuff is cheap you can just swap CPUs.

Trying to create a system with massive room for upgrades is so difficult, as the fucking technology improves at such a fast (and getting faster) rate. In 20 years we will be running 99,000 peta-herz CPUs with 100 billion cores, and we will laugh at our current shit quad cores, lol.

[jhale667]

Thinking the new system will be 64, may as well crack it out bang-for-buck wise if I'm gonna redo the whole thing. I could probably get away with the right barebones system w/ Win7 already installed from like Tiger Direct or somebody, if I find one with a big enough case to add my storage drive (unless I want to convert it to an external) and at least 1 firewire port to run my external PT storage drive. Or maybe find the right system and ditch the tower it comes with for one of the expandable gaming ones (with the extra cooling fans and whatnot).


http://images.highspeedbackbone.net/skuimages/large/B69-0268-main02-jc.jpg

But do you recommend AMD or Intel? My current one's an Intel, no issues until the recent mobo warning signs...

[Seshmeister]

I advise strongly against Windows 7 64 bit for now even though it's now being supplied as default.

It's a fucking pain in the ass. I have it on my main laptop plus I have had to deal with it in a couple of work things recently and it's just a real fucking hassle because I constantly keep coming up against compatibility problems. There are all sorts of bits of software that either won't install or go wrong. I've also had a few blue screens with it. Maybe I use some obscure stuff but still. At least check in advance that whatever you are planning to use has a 64 bit version.

Windows 7 has some nice features but I would be tempted to put XP on as it's really reliable and just works, if not put the 32 bit version on.

[jhale667]

Definitely something to ponder, Sesh... if it looks like I'll have mass compatibility issues I'll just stick with 32. Here's the cheapest way to go with my current license...

http://shop.avid.com/medias/sys_master/8469831238778544.jpg

http://shop.avid.com/store/product.do;jsessionid=1D12FA2103D37969F83A509DEF13 6536.ASTPESD2?product=324639693075136

Cool thing is it supports up to 32 inputs and whatever I/O device you want, (which hasn't been the case in the past) so I could conceivably also integrate my old ADAT long enough to fly some crap off of it, as well as my UX-2 (instead of it being chained to my Mbox as it is at the moment) interface. So when the new system's done, $249 improves it's capabilities by leaps and bounds... :baaa:

[Hardrock69]

Concerning AMD vs Intel, I have always viewed AMD as the easier for overclocking (though in my current rig I feel it is fast enough why bother with overclocking), and lately they seem to be better at coming up with low-wattage versions of the CPUs they put out.

While most of the quad-core CPUs are 125 watts, my Phenom 9600 is only 95 watts. I prefer lower wattage to make it easier to cool.

That said, I cannot really say Intel or AMD is better than the other. Do your research. One thing I like about AMD, they consistenly beat the shit out of Intel on price.
For example, cheapest Intel 6-core processor on Newegg is $879.00
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115066

Cheapest AMD 6-core is roughly 1/4 that, at $179 with free shipping:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103851

AMD has 9 quad-core Phenom II CPUS:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007671%2050001028%20600005574&IsNodeId=1&bop=And&Order=PRICE&PageSize=20

This might be your best bet....being a 'Black Edition', it is totally unlocked so if you want to overclock it you can easily do so (though I do not recommend overclocking for DAWs). Only 95 bucks, (cheapest of the Phenom II [newest series] quad cores) and is an AM2+ CPU, so you would have to buy an AM2+ motherboard, which WILL accept AM3 CPUs if you want to upgrade the CPU in the future. Just a sidenote: The new 6-core AMD CPUs are AM3 sockets, so will run in an AM2+ motherboard.
Does not include heatsink/fan and is 125 watts:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103644

Second choice: It is only 95 watts (better cooling), but slightly lower clock speed (2.8Ghz vs. 3.0Ghz above) and is 34 dollars more. Does not come with heatsink/fan. Also, it is an AM3 socket. AM3 motherboards will not accept AM2+ CPUs, though:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103656

On the Intel side, the cheapest Quad-core Newegg has is $149 - 95 watts - heatsink and fan included:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115207

There are several CPU series from Intel that have quad-core configurations, the Core-2 Quad, the Core i7, and the Core i5, most of them if not all over $100 more expensive than the lowest priced AMD quad-core CPUs.

If you want to blow some extra coin on an Intel CPU, this one is only 65 watts, but has 12MB of L2 cache....for the low, low price of $349.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115210

But if you wanted to splurge, the very best AMD 6-core CPU on Newegg is only $229:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103849

Here is a review of the Intel CPU, but one of the comparison CPUs is the AMD 940 Black Edition.

http://www.neoseeker.com/Articles/Hardware/Reviews/core_2_quad_q8300_review/

And lastly, if cooling is an issue, here is one of 2 AMD quad-core CPUs at Newegg that consume only 45 watts, for $138:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103899

As I mentioned in an above post, before you buy a motherboard, be sure to check out what is required to run in Dual Channel mode. Can it run if you have 4 sticks of 1 Gig each? Or will it restrict you to running 1 2-gig stick per channel? Are there any restrictions on running the memory at the fastest possible speed in that particular motherboard?

As for Windows 7, the problems with 64-bit are the reason I am not even running XP 64-bit.
Sure, it (Xp 64-bit) supposedly can run software in 32-bit mode, but again, the hardware manufacturers seem to be having a tough time providing good 64-bit drivers. And I have so much software on my machine that is absolutely essential to my existence right now that I do not at present want to have to deal with re-installing it only to discover there is a problem with the 64 bit OS.

So for now I remain on XP 32-bit.

Might be worth it to check out user forums for ProTools and see if people been having any particular problems/conflicts running PT9 on any particular brand of motherboard, or CPU, or chipsets on motherboards or whatever.

Hope the above info helps. Like I say, with quad-core CPUs and DDR3 memory, etc. pretty much any setup you get could work well.

Any of you guys out there who know about this stuff (like Sesh) and/or know about DAWs and their requirements, feel free to chime in. I certainly do not know everything there is to know about this stuff. :D

[jhale667]

I noticed when I was tracking some stuff earlier today my bounces are actually going at 24-bit...not even as cool as I thought...:hee: guess I could get away with 32 easily then. Thanks for the AMD vs. Intel comparison HR, that's pretty helpful.

I was playing around with the scratch tracks I'd recorded today and was messing around with the speaker emulations after the fact...I tried using a 1X10 combo cab from shall we say "another manufacturer"'s free trial (loaded as an IR via MellowMuse same as I would my usual) and the track just sounded ...dull. Lifeless. It was my Purple Strat through an AC30 mod, there should have been sparkle and jangle aplenty, yet there wasn't. So I switched out the trial cab for the Recabinet 1x10..DING exactly what I was looking for. So far I've got two Strat tracks through AC30 mods with different cabinets, and the Koa Strat doing power chords through a Soldano and a 4x12. I have to tighten up the parts some more but then I'll post 'em...

Meanwhile for giggles here's from the post scratch track wind-down...I was playing my Ash Drop-D Strat through the PODfarm JCM800 mod with an Echoplex and an "Cavernous" reverb emulation, and Recabinet's "Green 4x12" with the 3-mic emulation set up: Royer 121, Shure SM57, and the Audix D6...there's a couple of clunkers, but overall it turned out kinda cool IMO... :cool:

http://soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=9901732

[Seshmeister]

I don't keep such a close eye on hardware these days but all things being remotely even I would buy AMD because

a) I like to support the underdog
b) The world needs Intel to have competition
c) Intel are a bunch of price fixing crooks. :)

[Hardrock69]

Sounds cool Jay.

I originally got into AMD back in about 2000 when I built my first custom box from the ground up. Mainly because you could overclock, and I could not afford the overpriced intel stuff (and of course, the AMD stuff was cheaper even back then). So I got an AMD K6-2/550. Being cheaper to begin with, and then being able to overclock it meant I REALLY got more bang for the buck than anything Intel could even dream of offering.

And it has sort of held true to this day. To repeat myself, even though these days I don't think it necessary to overclock anymore due to the current brute force capabilities of the AMD Black Edition unlocked CPUs, at least I can say it is possible if I should want to.

For years I ran an AMD Athlon XP 2500 Mobile processor, because the Mobile versions were unlocked. I ran it overclocked so that it was the equivalent of the top of the line Intel CPUs for awhile. Cranked that bitch UP! :D

Really just have had no use for Intel, as AMD has done me right on every box I have ever built (at least a dozen over the past 10 years now).

[jhale667]

Here's a link to a cool Berklee tutorial about setting up a basic Pro Tools home studio and the various possible configurations...

Set Up Recording Studio Using Pro Tools
Author: David Franz

http://ow.ly/3schQ

Seriously considering looking into some online classes in mixing, mastering and production techiniques...wanting to expand my knowledge base beyond what I've learned from Avid's (and DJ's!! :D ) tutorial vids and through trial-and-error. Berklee has an online PT class as it turns out:

http://www.berkleeshares.com/production__technology/set_up_recording_studio_pro_tools

[Hardrock69]

Right on, man!

[Hardrock69]

I am working on an ongoing song project. Have been dragging it out and working on it here and there for the past couple of years when not working on other stuff.

When I moved to L.A., I lived in a hillside community in Glendale overlooking the city. The front of the house I lived in faced the bottom of the hill.

The street was 20 feet below my front door. The front yard was 10 feet above street level, with some stairs that lead up to the front porch. The back door to the house was right at ground level.

So if you went out into the back patio area, there was a brick wall about 6 feet high with a small grassy strip on top. Then another small concrete block wall about 4 feet tall. On top of that was a chain link fence covered in vines. That was the back fence of the back yard for the lady that lived behind us.

I use the term 'lady' really loosely. She was an alcoholic, mentally deranged weirdo who like to yell and scream irrational shit at any time of day or night.

One thing that would set her off were the neighborhood dogs barking. They were little yip-yip dogs, and she would come out into her back yard area and start talking/yelling to them.

"YOU MEAN THEY DON'T PAY TAXES ON YOU LITTLE DOG? THAT'S TERRIBLE!".

Because the chain link fence was covered in vines, and because the back of her yard had a bunch of bushes and flower beds and stuff, we never ever saw her in the entire year that we lived there. But oh god we sure heard her. At one point she was out there screaming at one of her neighbors (a woman) at 11 o'clock at night, calling her a whore and all this other shit. She had a really deep voice, and some kind of European accent, and got drunk a lot. I went out on the back patio, as I had to get up early for work the next day, and screamed at her:

"SHUT THE FUCK UP BITCH! JUST SHUT THE FUCK UP!" Then I went on a rant of my own, using foul language that turned the air electric blue with thunderstorms, and I screamed at the fucking bitch to shut the fuck up and go in her house or I would call the police and make sure she spent the fucking night in jail! :mad:

It was quiet the rest of the night. :biggrin:

One day soon afterwards, I got a brilliant idea.

As both of my roommates were musicians, we had some recording equipment laying around. I got a Shure 57 and put it on a mic stand extended as far up as it would go, then put the mic stand on the ledge in the back patio area, facing the crazy bitch's house. I then ran the mic cable into the house through a bedroom window, and hooked it into a Tascam four-track recorder. Turned it on, set the sensitivity on full.

Then I went outside and the back patio, and began to bark like a little yip-yip dog.

It worked. She came out and began speaking/yelling at 'the little dog' a bunch of nonsensical bullshit.

Over the following months, I would record her in many different situations, either due to my barking like a little dog, or her going off on neighbors, or whatever.

So...fast forward to the mid-90s. A friend of mine loaned me an 8-track Tascam 688 mixer/recorder. I used some samples to lay down a solid 4 on the floor kick drum, a low E constant running bass line (used samples because at that time I did not own a bass or a drum machine), overdubbed some electric guitar tracks, and then I used a bunch of of samples of her rantings, and called the finished track "Dat's De Law!". She had one day gone off on a rant about how "all little dogs need to have taxes paid on them. DAT'S DE LAW!", and in doing so she provided me with the title to it.

Ok so fast forward 10 years. About 5 years ago I got my current setup which includes Reaper. Due to the primitive gear I used when I created the original track, I always felt I could stand to create a better, cleaner version of the track.

That is what I am working on now.

Keep in mind that while recording this crazy fucking bitch, I did not just record her. I recorded all the other incidental noise that comes with living in a neighborhood in Glendale, CA. Helicopters and airplanes flying overhead. Birds chirping. Sirens of police cars, ambulances and fire trucks, and yes, little dogs barking. And every Sunday afternoon without fail, she would blast out OPERA MUSIC at full volume on whatever stereo she had. So I got a recording of opera music blasting away one sunny day.

So in addition to the music, and her rantings, I have a lot of other ambient noise to choose from.

Someday when I finish it I will post it and the original on here. I never knew who the bitch was, but everyone in the neighborhood within earshot of her had to suffer from her drunken bellowing at all hours of the day.

One day my roommate and I actually had some kind of 'discussion' with her over the fence, where my roommate was telling her he was an alien being from another world. She began to ask him some irrational shit, and he said "We're all just fucking out of our minds".

In her warped mind, she only latched onto the word "fucking", and somehow thought he had said she was a whore who had fucked my roommate (among other people), and then blew up, screaming at us "HOW DARE YOU SAY SOMETHING LIKE THAT! I NEVER FUCKED ANYONE THE LIKES OF YOU! HOW DARE YOU THINK SOMETHING LIKE THAT ABOUT ME, LEAVE ALONE SAY IT!!"

We had to struggle to keep from having hysterical fits of laughter, as we did not want to destroy the recordings we were making. To piss her off was an exercise in extreme humor, as she was guaranteed (She used to scream "I GUARANTEE YOU!" a lot also) to go off into irrationality-land.

Anyway, to get back on topic (haha), I have laid down a clean kick drum, 4 on the floor, using my Roland DR-660, added a bass line (of course I now own a bass, lol), and have begun to add in some samples. It is going to take me awhile to get it the way I want it. I think the track in it's finished form will be somewhere around 6-8 minutes long.
I still have a few guitar tracks to lay down, but that will be extremely easy, as it is pretty much just a rhythm guitar thing with some occasional lead lines. The main thing of course is to showcase her crazed shouting.

She sounded like she was in her 50s or 60s at the time, and honest to God her accent was so thick naturally that between the accent and her being drunk, my roommates and I could hardly understand what she was screaming most of the time. For all I know she could be dead by now.

Speaking of dead, one day she began screaming "NOBODY SHOULD LIVE PAST THE AGE OF THIRTY! EVERYONE OVER 30 SHOULD BE DEAD AND THAT INCLUDES ME!!!". I wonder if she had been drunk and watching Logan's Run that day, lol.

It will be a cool song when I get done.


There is a CD out that is a similar project, but without any 'music', called "Shut Up Little Man", where 2 guys in the early 90s in a shithole apartment building in the Haight District in San Francisco recorded their neighbors, a pair of middle-aged drunks who hated each other's guts and were constantly fighting and arguing. The kicker? One was gay, the other was a homophobe. There are standout tracks on the CD like "Fistfight No.3: On The Floor Again" and "You Wanna Stick Me With That Fork?".

http://shutuplittleman.com/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shut_Up,_Little_Man!

The rantings of Peter and Ray spawned some indy films, and there are currently a bunch of youtube videos that I JUST NOW discovered, where you can see Bert And Ernie among other people spouting foul-mouthed commentary. Here is one of Al Gore and GW Bush in a debate:

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Getting recordings of drunken idiots like that for use as a CD release is a worthy endeavor, as all it takes is some crazy neighbors, a mic and a recorder of some kid. Then you can sell them and make piles of money. :biggrin:

[Diamondjimi]

Dude, that story is hilarious. You gotta finish that song!!!

[Hardrock69]

I just scanned off a couple of pics. There was a cement stairway that went up the left side of the house, up the hill to the back patio. The level of the front yard was about 10 feet below the level of the main floor of the house.

This is the view looking at the patio as you round the corner. House on the right, with the windows into which we ran the mic cord. You can see the lower concrete wall on the left. I set my mic stand just a foot or so to the left of the top of the wall:
http://i56.tinypic.com/121x00i.jpg

This is the view when you went to the middle of the patio, turned left and looked up at the chain link fence. You can obviously see the windows of the main floor of her house. After only a few weeks of her fucking insanity, I knew I had to get a photo of the place that mysterious shouting came from :biggrin:
http://i55.tinypic.com/qrcaht.jpg

And lastly, across 20 years of time, she asks a question of all you here at the Roth Army. This is an actual mp3 sample of something she wanted to know one day, which I have put in zip file and attached to this thread for your crazed amazement.

[Diamondjimi]

:lol:

[jhale667]

:lmao:

[jhale667]

Really just have had no use for Intel, as AMD has done me right on every box I have ever built (at least a dozen over the past 10 years now).

What's really funny is I recently asked one of our company IT guys his opinion on the AMD/Intel question, and he was like "DO NOT USE AN AMD!" He was almost militant about it! :lmao: It's getting about that time, though - so researching heavily again.

[Seshmeister]

Well watch you don't get a dodgy Intel Sandy Bridge chip...

http://www.intel.com/en_uk/consumer/products/processors/chipset.htm?cid=emea:ggl|corecall_uk_recall|em1FD9 4A|s

Apparently when they do work they are shit hot though.

[ThrillsNSpills]

Hardrock that's a female?
man that's some hilarious shit..

[Hardrock69]

Amazing, innit? Yes, it was actually a woman.

I have been busy with other things lately and have not gotten around to working on the newer version of her hit single "Dat's De Law!".

But to satisfy everyone's curiosity, sometime in the next few days I will upload an mp3 of the original version which I created in 1995.

What has sidetracked me is this:

As I have mentioned to some of you, and, some of you have actually heard some of these, I recorded a bunch of demos in 1995 and again in 1998 using a Tascam 688.

Naturally those things are selling for dirt cheap now. Who the fuck wants something like that when you can get something like Reaper for PC?

Anyway, I was about to remaster the original mixes, when I was reminded that a friend of mine has a Tascam 488. A much simpler and earlier version of the 688, but it has the one thing I wanted: The ability to play the 8-track cassette master tapes from the 1990s.

I am doing this right now as I type. The 488 is a fucking bitch, as it only has 4 "official" outputs. So if you want to transfer the fucking 8 tracks, you have to be ingenious, and hope you can figure some shit out.

Well, some research and some thought, and I have got it licked.

First, I use the official 4 outputs. Then, there are 2 FX sends. So I route 2 channels to FX 1 and FX 2, which have their own separate outputs. Then for track 7, I use the cue mix function. This controls what you hear in your headphones when multitracking.

So I ran crank the cue mix volume for channel 7 only, and run a line out of the headphone jack into a channel of my Roland VS-1680.

Then for channel 8 I was stumped. What the fuck do I do about that? Then after doing some research, I found this unit has a "synch" function, so you can record timecode onto track 8. Nice thing is, on the back there is a synch input and a synch output, which is a direct feed off channel 8 of the tape.

Problem solved.

Some of this shit being recorded 15 years ago, it is interesting to rediscover what I recorded.

Track breakdown on one song:

1 drums
2 drums
(Just recorded stereo outputs from DR-660 apparently...usually I use 4 - kick, snare, rack toms, hi-hat/cymbals)

3 bass
4 guitar
5 background vox, military snare drum roll in the middle, and a 16-piece Tab-ur-nac-kul kwire I created by bouncing tracks
6 Lead guitar and rhythm guitar
7 guitar
8 lead vocal


Track 5 has stuff on it that I needed to find space to fit everything in, and so I just used the one track as a sort of dumping ground for stuff that I could not fit onto other tracks.
I could easily fill up 24 tracks with all the shit I crammed into 8 on this tune.

Wish it was as easy as throwing a tape in and pressing play, but I have to put the tape in, press play, then figure out what is on what track, set the levels, etc.

The cool part is, this is as good as it will ever get. I can export these multitrack songs into Reaper, and use my plugins to totally make mixes that will sound amazing compared to the originals.

I figure just transferring my 20-something songs will take me at least a week. Then there is the remixing. Some of the tunes I will not remix as amazingly enough, they sound just fine with a little tweaking.

One thing is for sure, I can never be bored. I have a to-do list that is a hundred miles long. Most of it is audio/video work.

Once I get some time, I will remaster Dat's De Law! and post it here. Probably within the next week or so.

Cheers.

[Hardrock69]

Ha....one of the cool things about going through multi-track masters that were recorded 15 years or more ago, you occasionally discover hidden gems.

I recorded 20 songs in 1995 during my initial sessions, only 2 or 3 of them were songs written in the 80s. Then in 1998-99 I wrote and recorded 8 more.
Might not seem to be a whole lot of songs, but consider I wrote, performed, engineered and produced everything I did. 8-tracks on almost all songs, and sometimes when creating kwires, or doing other stuff I had to bounce tracks.
When working with sub-standard gear, it takes a bit longer to wring the most quality out of it that is possible.

I discovered today that the final versions of 2 of the best songs from that second batch were actually not the original versions.
I had recorded one version of each song on multi-track, and I guess I was not satisfied with the way the drums sounded, so I just recorded a second version of each song, which are the ones I have been listening to now for 11 years.

Really kinda interesting to look back to that time frame and see stuff you were doing musically that you had forgotten about.

[Hardrock69]

Dat's De Law! - The L.A. Krazy Lady
Ok peeps. Finally uploaded this.

Some info on the collage itself: In the mid-90s when I created this, I did not own my own drum machine, or my own bass. So what to do? I had a Digitech GSP-5 rack mount FX unit for a brief spell. What I did was created an echo with infinite repeats, and captured a kick drum. Primitive sampling. Then I did the same thing with a steady bassline (well, it is sort of steady). Recorded several minutes of sampled kick, and sampled bassline, and overdubbed the rantings of this bitch on the other 6 tracks.

Enjoy!

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=J1W0W0R8

[jhale667]

That's fucking brilliant, dude! :lmao: Love it! :baaa:

[kwame k]

Killer shit, HR:beers8:

[Diamondjimi]

Sheer madness. Great stuff HR! :biggrin:

[Hardrock69]

Thanks Guys. The newer version I am recording is going to be cleaned up quite a bit. The trick is going to be retaining the spirit of the original, and her insanity, without making it laboratory sterile. In many places in the original, I was just doing random stuff, no real method, which of course makes it seem more organic.

I dunno when I am going to get back on that, as right now I am beginning work on remixing all my other demos. Man, Amplitube is really amazing for spicing up my guitars, lol.

One thing that surprised me though, and I can understand why I did it, I had always somehow thought I was using 4 tracks for drums, when actually I only used the stereo left and right outputs. I did that because I only had 8 tracks available, and wanted to have 1 for bass, and at least 3 for guitar, which left me 2 for vocals.

The problem now is I cannot simply improve the snare, or the kick. The best I can do is use EQ to work with them, but of course that affects the entire kit.

Ah.....I just now figured out a way around that. Hmmmm.....since I always recorded on 2 tracks, what I can do is optimize one track for the kick, and the other for the snare.

Another thing I had forgotten, these Tascam units have a variable speed control on them, and in order to get the best possible quality, I cranked that mother to the fastest speed.
Lotsa little tricks I used in order to get every bit of quality I could out of it.

I have set a deadline of June to get a good CD's worth of songs remixed. 10-12 tracks oughta be cool.

I will be glad when I have done all I can do to these tracks with the modern technology I have. I want to get this out of my system and leave it behind me so I can get back to working on my album project.

[jhale667]

Good luck, dude...sounds great (and hilarious in a good way) so far.
Yeah, I'm really interested and anxious to do the PT upgrade in addition to the basic reasons (and the fact that I'm currently nearly dead in the water processing-wise) because I'll also be able to pull some more stuff off the old ADAT that should be fun to mess with, particularly one tune that I kinda hate how we mixed the guitar tracks, but the drums and bass sounded OK, may go re-do the guitars for example. What's sucking is each major component in the overall upgrade (MB, CPU, PT Crossgrade download) is around $250-300 apiece, so this isn't gonna be cheap...but any pre-built system close to what I want is $1500ish AGAIN, so it still makes sense to build it... again. :umm:

[kwame k]

Yeah, I'm in the same boat and have a tentative goal of finishing an album I've been writing for the last 10 years.....The Decline of the American Dream. I have 30 songs in various stages written and still am adding more.

Still rebuilding my studio and finishing my drum room, too. Picking up mics, cables, and all the stuff here and there. New CPU for just recording and a multi-track sound card are still on the list but it's a slow process when disposable income is rare.

[BigBadBrian]

OK, here's the first piece of the Puzzle I just put on order:

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/images/images345x345/757678.jpg

Apple 17" MacBook Pro Notebook Computer

2.2GHz Intel Core i7 Quad-Core
8GB (2x4GB) RAM
500GB 7200rpm Hard Drive
SuperDrive
AMD Radeon HD 6750M 1GB GPU
17" Antiglare Widescreen LED Backlit Display
ExpressCard/34 Slot
FaceTime HD Camera
Bluetooth 2.1+EDR, 802.11n Wi-Fi
Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard, 6.6 lb

Now for the software and interface...this shit ain't cheap, fellas :biggrin:

[ashstralia]

now just get one of these for the old pickup, you can wire 'er up yaself!

http://i1234.photobucket.com/albums/ff418/davej253/2005-BMW-M5-045.jpg

[BigBadBrian]

now just get one of these for the old pickup, you can wire 'er up yaself!

http://i1234.photobucket.com/albums/ff418/davej253/2005-BMW-M5-045.jpg

:biggrin:

[Kristy]

Now for the software and interface...this shit ain't cheap, fellas :biggrin:

What in the fuck does this have to do with anything?

[jhale667]

OK, here's the first piece of the Puzzle I just put on order:

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/images/images345x345/757678.jpg

Apple 17" MacBook Pro Notebook Computer

2.2GHz Intel Core i7 Quad-Core
8GB (2x4GB) RAM
500GB 7200rpm Hard Drive
SuperDrive
AMD Radeon HD 6750M 1GB GPU
17" Antiglare Widescreen LED Backlit Display
ExpressCard/34 Slot
FaceTime HD Camera
Bluetooth 2.1+EDR, 802.11n Wi-Fi
Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard, 6.6 lb

Sounds like you're off to a running start...I want a quad-core iC7 CPU also...thinking of doing the MB/CPU upgrade and holding off on the Win 7/PT 9/Recabinet 3 upgrades just yet, as I'm getting some things done by bouncing down guitar tracks to stereo...


Now for the software and interface...this shit ain't cheap, fellas :biggrin:

TOLDJA!!! You thought I was kidding, huh? :hee:

[BigBadBrian]

Sounds like you're off to a running start...I want a quad-core iC7 CPU also...thinking of doing the MB/CPU upgrade and holding off on the Win 7/PT 9/Recabinet 3 upgrades just yet, as I'm getting some things done by bouncing down guitar tracks to stereo.

Now I'm considering this:

http://images.guitarcenter.com/products/optionLarge/Digidesign/794347.jpg

[jhale667]

That rig would be a wise choice.