NC Democrat Makes Major Fuckup!

[Nickdfresh]

http://nachrichten.t-online.de/b/43/27/46/14/id_43274614/tid_da/us-politiker-tim-spear-wirbt-damit-immer-hinter-den-soldaten-zu-stehen-nur-hinter-welchen-foto-ap-.jpg

Um yes, he actually used a photograph of reenactors portraying WWII German Waffen SS soldiers for his campaign poster pandering to the military vote...

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2010/10/28/messaging-mishap-flier-pictures-men-in-nazi-uniforms/

[Seshmeister]

:biggrin:

[FORD]

I'll bet that idiot Teabagger from Ohio who likes to dress up in Nazi clothes will call him up and beg him for the picture.

Still, dumb move regardless......

[GAR]

I'll bet Speaker Boehner doesn't tread so heavily on the Constitution the way his predecessor did.

[Seshmeister]

Even if his marketing company had got a correct picture it's a dumb poster.

'In combat you always want another soldier covering your back.'???

What the fuck has that to do with anything?

He's not going to be in combat, is he equating sitting in Washington with military combat?

And he's not even a soldier or a veteran anyway.

So his poster should say 'In combat you always want someone whose dad was a soldier sitting thousands of miles behind you'.

[Seshmeister]

And if you have no one covering your back in combat that means you are at the back.

Is that so bad?

Better than having everyone covering your back which means you're the sucker at the front setting off the IED. :)

[Nitro Express]

Well the German MG-42 was the best light machine gun during WWII. Yup, I would like Hans or Dieter laying down cover fire and watching my back with one.

[Nitro Express]

Even if his marketing company had got a correct picture it's a dumb poster.

'In combat you always want another soldier covering your back.'???

What the fuck has that to do with anything?

He's not going to be in combat, is he equating sitting in Washington with military combat?

And he's not even a soldier or a veteran anyway.

So his poster should say 'In combat you always want someone whose dad was a soldier sitting thousands of miles behind you'.

Americans like to declare war on things. We have the war on terror. The war on drugs. The war on poverty. When my dad used to call me at college he always used to ask,"How goes the battle?" We often here our US Senators and Congressmen tell us they are going to go back to Washington and battle it out. So yeah, Americans view Washington DC as a political battle zone and when you have more politicians on your side you have someone watching your back so to say.

It's still a dumb campaign promotion though.

[Seshmeister]

The War on Terror is an absolute fucking classic.

Declaring war on a feeling so inventing a war without end. The whole military industrial complex must have risen as one in a massive high five when that bullshit was invented. No need to worry about winning or the other side running out of money.

Beauty of it is that if people ever get fed up pissing away billions on nothing they can come up with something else like the War on Melancholy or the War on Tiredness.

[Nitro Express]

Yup. I think the whole war fad is waning though. That whole fad started with daddy Bush and all the success in the Gulf War made us cocky. After that we were declaring war on everything. Then 9/11 happened and the angry ass kicking fest started. Once people started to realize our own government was turning on us, that whole vibe started to fade. I think more and more people are realizing how badly the American public got duped on the whole war and security thing.

[Seshmeister]

I hope so. To an outsider the US seems to have an unhealthy obsession with her military.

[Nickdfresh]

Well the German MG-42 was the best light machine gun during WWII. Yup, I would like Hans or Dieter laying down cover fire and watching my back with one.

It wasn't a light machine-gun. It was either a medium MG or a general purpose machine-gun (worlds first and the inspiration for all such guns today)...

And it didn't matter you had on the Eastern Front...

[Nickdfresh]

I hope so. To an outsider the US seems to have an unhealthy obsession with her military.

I agree. If your going to do a campaign poster featuring the military, at least show an "Army family" standing together smiling rather than some abstract scene of death and mayhem...

[chefcraig]

Americans like to declare war on things. We have the war on terror. The war on drugs. The war on poverty. When my dad used to call me at college he always used to ask,"How goes the battle?" We often here our US Senators and Congressmen tell us they are going to go back to Washington and battle it out. So yeah, Americans view Washington DC as a political battle zone and when you have more politicians on your side you have someone watching your back so to say.

It's still a dumb campaign promotion though.

There certainly are not that many national anthems that mention "bombs bursting in air". Or were stolen from old drinking songs belonging to the enemy, for that matter.

[Nitro Express]

It wasn't a light machine-gun. It was either a medium MG or a general purpose machine-gun (worlds first and the inspiration for all such guns today)...

And it didn't matter you had on the Eastern Front...

You have sub machine guns, light machine guns, and heavy machine guns. A sub machine gun fires handgun rounds that are subsonic. An Uzi would be an example. A light machine gun fires rifle rounds like the 8mm Mauser or 30-06. The MG 42 would be an example. A heavy machine gun shoots heavy rounds and needs to be mounted to be fired. The Browning 50 caliber would be an example.

You are right that the MG 42 was a unique multipurpose machine gun that could be fired by one man or locked into a tripod. It was a unique system.

It was a wonderful gun on the Eastern Front but no weapon can make up for Hitler's insane and shitty strategy. When your commander in chief is a nut job, the best generals and weapons won't save you.

[Nitro Express]

"The Star-Spangled Banner" was recognized for official use by the Navy in 1889 and the President in 1916, and was made the national anthem by a congressional resolution on March 3, 1931 (46 Stat. 1508, codified at 36 U.S.C. § 301), which was signed by President Herbert Hoover.

We can blame President Hoover. As far as the bombs and rockets go, it's not celebrating them. It's stating the British were them using against us and we survived the shit.

[Nitro Express]

Most national anthems are pretty boring. At least you can get drunk and raise hell to ours.

[Nitro Express]

I can see Ben Franklin and members of the Hell Fire Club singing this, getting drunk, and grabbing the serving winch's ass.

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[Seshmeister]

Most national anthems are pretty boring. At least you can get drunk and raise hell to ours.

Not when they do those retarded versions at sports stadiums.

I like the French one and the Italian one is not bad. The British one is a sack of fucking shit, I don't even agree with the lyrics.

When they used to play it at Scotland international football matches you couldn't hear it for the booing which confused the opposition a bit especially when we were then quiet and respectful during their anthem. :)

[Seshmeister]

It was a wonderful gun on the Eastern Front but no weapon can make up for Hitler's insane and shitty strategy. When your commander in chief is a nut job, the best generals and weapons won't save you.

E.g. Iraq

[GAR]

I am declaring the war on my prostate is being won, the enemy proteins subdued, and I want to encourage every single citizen on this board to be on watch to do the same.

[Nitro Express]

E.g. Iraq

Exactly. We could take Iraq and Afghanistan but we would have to be tottaly ruthlesss and level whole population centers. We would have to kill everybody. We could do that but how do you get away with it on the world stage and what do you gain? The point is we would have to be more ruthless than Saddam Hussain ever thought of being to completely control those countries. We are learning that part of the world is ruthless and theres a reason guys like Saddam take over. Ruthlessness rules in that part of the world because it's all they know.

[Nitro Express]

I am declaring the war on my prostate is being won, the enemy proteins subdued, and I want to encourage every single citizen on this board to be on watch to do the same.

Are you fucking or whacking? It's better to fuck if you can.

[Seshmeister]

Exactly. We could take Iraq and Afghanistan but we would have to be tottaly ruthlesss and level whole population centers. We would have to kill everybody. We could do that but how do you get away with it on the world stage and what do you gain? The point is we would have to be more ruthless than Saddam Hussain ever thought of being to completely control those countries. We are learning that part of the world is ruthless and theres a reason guys like Saddam take over. Ruthlessness rules in that part of the world because it's all they know.

And what rules in the US?

I'd say invading and destroying a country because you think it will be a good stimulus for your economy and make money for your rich pals strikes me as pretty fucking ruthless.

[chefcraig]

And what rules in the US?

I'd say invading and destroying a country because you think it will be a good stimulus for your economy and make money for your rich pals strikes me as pretty fucking ruthless.

According to Elvis Costello, this is the best song ever written about U.S. foreign policy. Since I can't really think of many others at the moment...


Political Science - Randy Newman

No one likes us-I don't know why
We may not be perfect, but heaven knows we try
But all around, even our old friends put us down
Let's drop the big one and see what happens

We give them money-but are they grateful?
No, they're spiteful and they're hateful
They don't respect us-so let's surprise them
We'll drop the big one and pulverize them

Asia's crowded and Europe's too old
Africa is far too hot
And Canada's too cold
And South America stole our name
Let's drop the big one
There'll be no one left to blame us

We'll save Australia
Don't wanna hurt no kangaroo
We'll build an All American amusement park there
They got surfin', too

Boom goes London and boom Paree
More room for you and more room for me
And every city the whole world round
Will just be another American town
Oh, how peaceful it will be
We'll set everybody free
You'll wear a Japanese kimono
And there'll be Italian shoes for me

They all hate us anyhow
So let's drop the big one now
Let's drop the big one now

[Nickdfresh]

I am declaring the war on my prostate is being won, the enemy proteins subdued, and I want to encourage every single citizen on this board to be on watch to do the same.

I should think with your perpetual head insertion into your anus, you should win that battle shortly!

[FORD]

Most national anthems are pretty boring. At least you can get drunk and raise hell to ours.


It's not boring if you play it right......


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BD9DR40-m4U

[Nickdfresh]

You have sub machine guns, light machine guns, and heavy machine guns. A sub machine gun fires handgun rounds that are subsonic. An Uzi would be an example. A light machine gun fires rifle rounds like the 8mm Mauser or 30-06. The MG 42 would be an example. A heavy machine gun shoots heavy rounds and needs to be mounted to be fired. The Browning 50 caliber would be an example.

You are right that the MG 42 was a unique multipurpose machine gun that could be fired by one man or locked into a tripod. It was a unique system.

I think that you have things a bit confused. One of the key mistakes the Allies made in WWII was assimilating weapons into rigid classes, unlike the German Wehrmacht which afforded a much higher level of tactical flexibility out of both tradition --and desperate field expedience...

Then as now, there were three basic classes of machine-guns. The "light machine-gun/support weapon" was designed to be more portable and lighter so troops could more quickly utilize it on the attack. Examples would be the British/Czech Bren Gun, the U.S. BAR. Both weapons provided more stable, sustained fire than rifles and submachine-guns did.

The Medium Machine-gun, such as the .30 Browning or Vickers .303, were usually mounted on a tripod for sustained fire and were less tactically flexible. The Heavy Machine-gun like the Browning .50 was usually vehicle mounted for anti-aircraft defense and also used effectively against light-skinned vehicles and thinner armor...

The MG-42 (still in service today with some improvements as the MG3 or MG8 IIRC) was supposed to be able to both jobs of being fired in a static role from a tripod (like in Saving Private Ryan), and also as a light support weapon when used with its bipod. The U.S. Army very nearly paid homage to the gun by making what was essentially a direct copy firing the .30-06 round instead of the Mauser 7.92mm. After WWII, most NATO armies adopted a machine gun with similar flexibility and classing them as "General Purpose Machine-guns." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_purpose_machine_gun) The M-60 was essentially designed around the German WWII tactical concept during the 1950s. While all the machine-guns such as the current M240 (Belgian FN MAG) are excellent, the Light Support Machine-gun/weapon has made a comeback in the guise of the M249 SAW to fill a void between rifles/carbines and GPMGs...

I'm surprised a gun-nut like yourself doesn't know all this already...


It was a wonderful gun on the Eastern Front but no weapon can make up for Hitler's insane and shitty strategy. When your commander in chief is a nut job, the best generals and weapons won't save you.

It wasn't ALL Hitler's strategy, he in fact didn't really have ANY strategy for a while. But there are plenty of German generals at fault who would gladly blame the Fuhrer for everything in their hindsight memoirs. But he was very lucky in France and managed to squelch any real debate after 1940 as a result. The truth is that only a handful of German generals ever really faced down Hitler and confronted him over his lunatic fantasies...

[Nitro Express]

And what rules in the US?

I'd say invading and destroying a country because you think it will be a good stimulus for your economy and make money for your rich pals strikes me as pretty fucking ruthless.

The few people controlling the US behind the scenes are ruthless. The US is the most militarily powerful country in the world and nobody can match us and then we have embedded assholes who want that power. Then the big money buys up most the politicians and all us little people can do is vote for bought off crooked politicians. If you look at Obama or Bush geo-politically it's the same program. Nothing has changed.

What will it take to change the US? We have to break the crooked power monopoly that affects our politics. At this moment we are see if this will be done with ballots or bullets. I'll say it frankly, we can't have business as usual in our elections or we will have total economic collapse and civil war.

I'm starting to see a big divide between the states and federal government happening at the moment.

[Nitro Express]

If you look at what's happening to the US military they are sending off the US citizens to war and filling the military here up with foreigners. In fact, recruitment is down because many US citizens oppose the wars. So they are running Spanish ads to join the military. The danger of this is a US citizen won't turn on their own family and neighbors but a foreigner will have no problem and this gives a military club to use on US citizens to whoever gets control of it. The US Federal Government is planning on going to war against us and is getting it's ducks in a row. Meanwhile Obama is doing what he can to crash private industry so he can replace it with a centrally controlled socialist system. It's so obvious so the situation her in the US right now is not good.

So not only is our government a thug to other countries it's a thug to us. It's out of control and we are doing what we can to tame it but it's nearly impossible.

[Nitro Express]

I think that you have things a bit confused. One of the key mistakes the Allies made in WWII was assimilating weapons into rigid classes, unlike the German Wehrmacht which afforded a much higher level of tactical flexibility out of both tradition --and desperate field expedience...

Then as now, there were three basic classes of machine-guns. The "light machine-gun/support weapon" was designed to be more portable and lighter so troops could more quickly utilize it on the attack. Examples would be the British/Czech Bren Gun, the U.S. BAR. Both weapons provided more stable, sustained fire than rifles and submachine-guns did.

The Medium Machine-gun, such as the .30 Browning or Vickers .303, were usually mounted on a tripod for sustained fire and were less tactically flexible. The Heavy Machine-gun like the Browning .50 was usually vehicle mounted for anti-aircraft defense and also used effectively against light-skinned vehicles and thinner armor...

The MG-42 (still in service today with some improvements as the MG3 or MG8 IIRC) was supposed to be able to both jobs of being fired in a static role from a tripod (like in Saving Private Ryan), and also as a light support weapon when used with its bipod. The U.S. Army very nearly paid homage to the gun by making what was essentially a direct copy firing the .30-06 round instead of the Mauser 7.92mm. After WWII, most NATO armies adopted a machine gun with similar flexibility and classing them as "General Purpose Machine-guns." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_purpose_machine_gun) The M-60 was essentially designed around the German WWII tactical concept during the 1950s. While all the machine-guns such as the current M240 (Belgian FN MAG) are excellent, the Light Support Machine-gun/weapon has made a comeback in the guise of the M249 SAW to fill a void between rifles/carbines and GPMGs...

I'm surprised a gun-nut like yourself doesn't know all this already...



It wasn't ALL Hitler's strategy, he in fact didn't really have ANY strategy for a while. But there are plenty of German generals at fault who would gladly blame the Fuhrer for everything in their hindsight memoirs. But he was very lucky in France and managed to squelch any real debate after 1940 as a result. The truth is that only a handful of German generals ever really faced down Hitler and confronted him over his lunatic fantasies...

How machine guns are classified in the US is what caliber they fire. A 45 ACP or 9mm is subsonic or sub, a 8mm or 30-06 is light, and a 50 cal or 20 mm is heavy. A MG-42 still has three men manning the thing but it had a butt stock and a quick release tripod. The gun was easy to reposition and you could change the barrels real quick. It was made to fire prone or off a mount. It's hitting power was the same as a Browning 30 even though it's rate of fire was greater. What really differed is how each gun was tactically used.

I go to machine gun shoots and have have shot an MG-42 and a Browning 30. The MG-42 is one solid rip while the Browning is slower. The browning isn't as easy to reposition. But as far as the downrange striking power, the 30-06 and 8mm are on par.

[Nitro Express]

Anyways, that's how they are classified in the US Air Force. Maybe other branches of the military do it differently. But in the Air Force it's sub, light, and heavy. Anything above a 50 cal is reffered to as a cannon.

[Seshmeister]

If you look at what's happening to the US military they are sending off the US citizens to war and filling the military here up with foreigners. In fact, recruitment is down because many US citizens oppose the wars. So they are running Spanish ads to join the military. The danger of this is a US citizen won't turn on their own family and neighbors but a foreigner will have no problem and this gives a military club to use on US citizens to whoever gets control of it. The US Federal Government is planning on going to war against us and is getting it's ducks in a row. Meanwhile Obama is doing what he can to crash private industry so he can replace it with a centrally controlled socialist system. It's so obvious so the situation her in the US right now is not good.

So not only is our government a thug to other countries it's a thug to us. It's out of control and we are doing what we can to tame it but it's nearly impossible.

I wonder what it is in Americans that makes this kind of paranoia relatively common compared to most countries where it's confined to the odd homeless person or those in mental health institutions.

[Nickdfresh]

How machine guns are classified in the US is what caliber they fire.....

Um, nope. That's not how the military quite does it. An M-60, Browning M1919, M240, and the PK are hardly "light" machine-guns according to the U.S. military. It's not just about caliber, it's also about the role of the weapon. In fact, NATO armies rarely if ever use the 'light machine-gun' designation as they're now "Squad Automatic Weapons" or section support weapons--although some may say light support weapon. There is in fact a class of "medium machine gun," but the term is also bit obsolete in favor of "general purpose machine-gun"..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medium_machine_gun

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_purpose_machine_gun

[GAR]

Suck my what?

[Nitro Express]

Suck my what?

Suck my general purpose machine gun!