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Nitro Express
11-04-2010, 12:47 PM
Some people who study presidents and other politicians are saying Obama might not seek a second term. The reason why is Obama came into office with one main goal. That goal was to transform the US into a European styled socialist styled government and he was going to sacrifice whoever and whatever he needed to accomplish his goal. Unlike other Democratic presidents like Bill Clinton, Obama doesn't seem to follow strategy to hold the office. He seems to have one agenda and he's going to push it regardless of how popular it is with the people who put him in office. Clinton on the other hand was a politician at heart who spent years of his adult life trying to get the office of president and once he had it he relished in it. Clinton loved being president. Obama does not. He turns over the actual governing to others while he simply signs bills into law and sells his agenda. He has no regard for anyone but himself and his ideology. Bill Clinton was known to be a micromanager wanting to be in every aspect of governing. Clinton even killed his wife's healthcare bill when he recognized it was not popular with the American public. Bill was out to win at all costs and was flexible to do what was necessary to keep himself in office. Obama is above doing that, in fact, he seems to think the US stage is too small for him and wants to be known as a world figure. The man also seems to loath being president when Bill Clinton reveled in it and loved it.

Many seem to think since the American people were onto Barrack Obama's plan early and this election stops his progress, there is no point for him to continue as president. Obama is failing at his primary goal. Many think he would rather sell himself as this great international figure and go around the globe getting his huge ego stroked rather than change his style and agenda to get the White House another four years.

Many of us would love to see him quit and turn it over to Vice President Biden. Biden at least is a normal scummy politician and not some holier than thou demigogue who thinks he above everything including even bending his will to get re-elected. Do us all a favor Barrack and quit now!

Unlike Clinton who would do anything to hold the office and enjoyed the office, Barrack Obama loathes having to bend to public opinion and hates being president if he has to bend his ways to keep us happy.

Satan
11-04-2010, 01:32 PM
Mike Malloy was speculating on this last night. His idea was that Obama should issue a statement saying that he would not run again, and then declare war on Boner and Bitch McChinless.

Not a bad idea - if it clears the way for Dean/Feingold 2012.

Nitro Express
11-04-2010, 01:54 PM
Mike Malloy was speculating on this last night. His idea was that Obama should issue a statement saying that he would not run again, and then declare war on Boner and Bitch McChinless.

Not a bad idea - if it clears the way for Dean/Feingold 2012.

Ford will like me saying this. Howard Dean is a real Democrat and Obama is not.

Nitro Express
11-04-2010, 01:59 PM
The fact is to turn this country around we need to cut the massive spending and borrowing. Both the Democrats and Republicans have done just the opposite. The Republicans are back but we will see if they can walk the talk. The American people want the economy to come back and right now businesses aren't hiring because of the political situation. Washington has to behave in a manner where people feel there is some stability and then we will see the start of a new recovery.

knuckleboner
11-04-2010, 06:44 PM
Some people who study presidents and other politicians are saying Obama might not seek a second term. The reason why is Obama came into office with one main goal. That goal was to transform the US into a European styled socialist styled government and he was going to sacrifice whoever and whatever he needed to accomplish his goal. Unlike other Democratic presidents like Bill Clinton, Obama doesn't seem to follow strategy to hold the office. He seems to have one agenda and he's going to push it regardless of how popular it is with the people who put him in office. Clinton on the other hand was a politician at heart who spent years of his adult life trying to get the office of president and once he had it he relished in it. Clinton loved being president. Obama does not. He turns over the actual governing to others while he simply signs bills into law and sells his agenda. He has no regard for anyone but himself and his ideology. Bill Clinton was known to be a micromanager wanting to be in every aspect of governing. Clinton even killed his wife's healthcare bill when he recognized it was not popular with the American public. Bill was out to win at all costs and was flexible to do what was necessary to keep himself in office. Obama is above doing that, in fact, he seems to think the US stage is too small for him and wants to be known as a world figure. The man also seems to loath being president when Bill Clinton reveled in it and loved it.

Many seem to think since the American people were onto Barrack Obama's plan early and this election stops his progress, there is no point for him to continue as president. Obama is failing at his primary goal. Many think he would rather sell himself as this great international figure and go around the globe getting his huge ego stroked rather than change his style and agenda to get the White House another four years.

Many of us would love to see him quit and turn it over to Vice President Biden. Biden at least is a normal scummy politician and not some holier than thou demigogue who thinks he above everything including even bending his will to get re-elected. Do us all a favor Barrack and quit now!

Unlike Clinton who would do anything to hold the office and enjoyed the office, Barrack Obama loathes having to bend to public opinion and hates being president if he has to bend his ways to keep us happy.

this is laughable.

not attacking you, nitro, but whoever wrote this did it to get attention. be outlandish and they will listen. there is NO WAY obama declines to seek a 2nd term. none.

GAR
11-04-2010, 07:34 PM
I agree, this SCROTUS is an arrogant egomaniac accountable only to himself.

This is a neurosis, and neurotics are obsessed with themselves and their own desires. He'll grab at every straw to stay main DNC nominee before giving in to such an idea.

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Besides, it's about Wall St. keeping him in power. He has no choice but to seek another term.

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Seshmeister
11-04-2010, 07:40 PM
Some people who study presidents and other politicians are saying Obama might not seek a second term. The reason why is Obama came into office with one main goal. That goal was to transform the US into a European styled socialist styled government and he was going to sacrifice whoever and whatever he needed to accomplish his goal.

If that was true it's surprising that everyone who is even slightly to the left thinks he has totally let them down and spent far too much time negotiating with Republicans when he had both houses.

Kristy
11-04-2010, 07:47 PM
This is a neurosis, and neurotics are obsessed with themselves and their own desires.

How profound. You writing a autobiography?

GAR
11-04-2010, 07:48 PM
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Celente was CORRECT

GAR
11-04-2010, 08:31 PM
How profound. You writing a autobiography?

Probably wouldn't sell more than 3 million, not worthwhile.. no.

sadaist
11-04-2010, 08:56 PM
If that was true it's surprising that everyone who is even slightly to the left thinks he has totally let them down and spent far too much time negotiating with Republicans when he had both houses.


He NEVER negotiated with Republicans.

He negotiated with his own Democrats. He had too. They knew if they voted for his shit they would not be re-elected. And lookie what just happened. Obama strong-armed, begged, bribed & pleaded with these people to stick their necks out for him when everyone knew damn well they would just get their heads cut off next election.

Obamas Dems had to make a choice.

Vote with him & get whacked at election.
Vote against him & get whacked Chicago style.

Va Beach VH Fan
11-04-2010, 09:00 PM
Oh, he'll run.... At this point, though, not very confident he'd win....

And the reason for that is, as GAR loves to say, is the "hoodwinking" of the American people....

Most Americans don't pay enough attention to Congress to realize that for the last two years the Republicans just said no, no, no and filibustered to everything, ignoring the FACT while their boy Bush sent our economy in the toilet, sending millions out of work .... Of course, not much got done, and of course, they blamed Obama and Pelosi.....

So now, Republicans take the House, nearly take the Senate, and unless you're immensely dense, will NEVER compromise with Obama....

Obama probably won't budge much either, probably vetoing anything that would happen to come out of the Republican House and maybe making through the Senate....

So by 2012, the typical American person will see four years of no progress, blame Obama, and thereby vote in some Republican schmuck....

And if that happens, by the way, I hope it's Sarah Palin, 'cause you fuckers deserve it.....

Seshmeister
11-04-2010, 09:01 PM
He had to negotiate with his own democrats that had been bribed by insurance companies.

Satan
11-04-2010, 09:13 PM
I just hope you mortals aren't stuck with another BCE tool in the White House when the time comes for Fat Tony Scalia or Clarence the Clown to join us here in Hell.

GAR
11-04-2010, 09:14 PM
And the reason for that is, as GAR loves to say, is the "hoodwinking" of the American people....

He's dodged the business of mishandling the economy and running government leaner in bad times, for the opportunity to push thru trillion-dollar bills that would - if they were books - take at least 3 years each to research and write by teams of experts and they're still defective.

He was more interested in the banking agenda of keeping 400 trillion ghost debt floating for as long as possible, because he represents anyone but the taxpayer.

Now they want him out, did you look at how vast the Change cost him in midterms? And he's interpreting that goodwill as "people just don't listen to me" and ignores them.

Therefore, he's a bad representative and should be fired, Henry Paulsen and his crew arrested with Tim Geithner on charges of racketeering, treason and perjury to Congress and shot for theft on the largest scale ever in history. In fact the most recent conspiracy theory is, Obamas switched all the gold in the Reserve for goldplated tungsten bars, taking it all to Iran by way of India. I'd like to see a recent audit of the Reserve by the national assayer!

Va Beach VH Fan
11-04-2010, 09:23 PM
He was more interested in the banking agenda of keeping 400 trillion ghost debt floating for as long as possible, because he represents anyone but the taxpayer.

Therefore, he's a bad representative and should be fired, Henry Paulsen and his crew arrested

More revisionist history....

The TARP, i.e. the bank bailout, was done by BUSH..... Paulson was BUSH's Treasury Secretary.....

Terry
11-04-2010, 09:33 PM
Oh, he'll run.... At this point, though, not very confident he'd win....

And the reason for that is, as GAR loves to say, is the "hoodwinking" of the American people....

Most Americans don't pay enough attention to Congress to realize that for the last two years the Republicans just said no, no, no and filibustered to everything, ignoring the FACT while their boy Bush sent our economy in the toilet, sending millions out of work .... Of course, not much got done, and of course, they blamed Obama and Pelosi.....

So now, Republicans take the House, nearly take the Senate, and unless you're immensely dense, will NEVER compromise with Obama....

Obama probably won't budge much either, probably vetoing anything that would happen to come out of the Republican House and maybe making through the Senate....

So by 2012, the typical American person will see four years of no progress, blame Obama, and thereby vote in some Republican schmuck....

And if that happens, by the way, I hope it's Sarah Palin, 'cause you fuckers deserve it.....

Good gravy, have things really become so bad that the American people deserve Sarah Palin as president?

Obama's poll and approval ratings are right where Reagan and Clinton were in the two year mark of their first terms.

I mean, never say never, but the idea that Obama won't run again doesn't seem realistic. If for no other reason than the fact that the opposition party at the moment doesn't have a candidate to put up against him with a chance of winning.

If the economy keeps slowly ticking upward and unemployment comes down, even if it's just a percentage point, in the next two years, Obama will win in a walk.

If everything gets shot to hell, there's always a chance people will elect any quibbledick from the oppo party out of a fear reflex.

Hopefully, people will consider that the problems we face as a nation aren't such that can be solved by the usual two-party zero sum game of negative back-and-forth, nor are they problems that any one man in the WH can solve alone.

Overall, America is no longer a serious nation. Everyone is too quick to sue somebody else for a quick buck, blames everyone other than themselves for their own bad life choices, buys into the "everyone gets a gold star" mentality...a sense of being entitled to do whatever we feel like whenever we want without pondering future consequences. No sense of sacrifice for the greater good or devotion to any causes larger than one's own self.

America, by its own lessened standards of today, deserves to fail.

GAR
11-04-2010, 10:07 PM
More revisionist history....

The TARP, i.e. the bank bailout, was done by BUSH..... Paulson was BUSH's Treasury Secretary.....

- both hamstrung and succumbed to threats by the Pelosi 2006 congress.

Sleazy backroom deals, buy-offs, fraud premises, promises NOT to raise taxes yet everyone's health insurance is up in double-digits.

He's only turning to liberal Democrats, and Mitch McConnell says insisting on keeping Obamacare intact is going to keep the blockade going even further.

People have rejected his brand of communism, if you doubt it's obamas policies that are the problem, just note that the GOP won Obama's old seat. not a dem.

Va Beach VH Fan
11-04-2010, 10:32 PM
- both hamstrung and succumbed to threats by the Pelosi 2006 congress.

Sleazy backroom deals, buy-offs, fraud premises, promises NOT to raise taxes yet everyone's health insurance is up in double-digits.

He's only turning to liberal Democrats, and Mitch McConnell says insisting on keeping Obamacare intact is going to keep the blockade going even further.

People have rejected his brand of communism, if you doubt it's obamas policies that are the problem, just note that the GOP won Obama's old seat. not a dem.

No, you are completely wrong again....

In the provisions of the TARP, Bush gave authority to Paulson to do whatever he wanted, and forbid ANY court to do anything about it.....

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/21/business/21draftcnd.html?_r=2&ref=business

LEGISLATIVE PROPOSAL FOR TREASURY AUTHORITY

TO PURCHASE MORTGAGE-RELATED ASSETS

Section 1. Short Title.

This Act may be cited as ____________________.

Sec. 2. Purchases of Mortgage-Related Assets.

(a) Authority to Purchase.--The Secretary is authorized to purchase, and to make and fund commitments to purchase, on such terms and conditions as determined by the Secretary, mortgage-related assets from any financial institution having its headquarters in the United States.

(b) Necessary Actions.--The Secretary is authorized to take such actions as the Secretary deems necessary to carry out the authorities in this Act, including, without limitation:

(1) appointing such employees as may be required to carry out the authorities in this Act and defining their duties;

(2) entering into contracts, including contracts for services authorized by section 3109 of title 5, United States Code, without regard to any other provision of law regarding public contracts;

(3) designating financial institutions as financial agents of the Government, and they shall perform all such reasonable duties related to this Act as financial agents of the Government as may be required of them;

(4) establishing vehicles that are authorized, subject to supervision by the Secretary, to purchase mortgage-related assets and issue obligations; and

(5) issuing such regulations and other guidance as may be necessary or appropriate to define terms or carry out the authorities of this Act.

Sec. 3. Considerations.

In exercising the authorities granted in this Act, the Secretary shall take into consideration means for--

(1) providing stability or preventing disruption to the financial markets or banking system; and

(2) protecting the taxpayer.

Sec. 4. Reports to Congress.

Within three months of the first exercise of the authority granted in section 2(a), and semiannually thereafter, the Secretary shall report to the Committees on the Budget, Financial Services, and Ways and Means of the House of Representatives and the Committees on the Budget, Finance, and Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs of the Senate with respect to the authorities exercised under this Act and the considerations required by section 3.

Sec. 5. Rights; Management; Sale of Mortgage-Related Assets.

(a) Exercise of Rights.--The Secretary may, at any time, exercise any rights received in connection with mortgage-related assets purchased under this Act.

(b) Management of Mortgage-Related Assets.--The Secretary shall have authority to manage mortgage-related assets purchased under this Act, including revenues and portfolio risks therefrom.

(c) Sale of Mortgage-Related Assets.--The Secretary may, at any time, upon terms and conditions and at prices determined by the Secretary, sell, or enter into securities loans, repurchase transactions or other financial transactions in regard to, any mortgage-related asset purchased under this Act.

(d) Application of Sunset to Mortgage-Related Assets.--The authority of the Secretary to hold any mortgage-related asset purchased under this Act before the termination date in section 9, or to purchase or fund the purchase of a mortgage-related asset under a commitment entered into before the termination date in section 9, is not subject to the provisions of section 9.

Sec. 6. Maximum Amount of Authorized Purchases.

The Secretary’s authority to purchase mortgage-related assets under this Act shall be limited to $700,000,000,000 outstanding at any one time

Sec. 7. Funding.

For the purpose of the authorities granted in this Act, and for the costs of administering those authorities, the Secretary may use the proceeds of the sale of any securities issued under chapter 31 of title 31, United States Code, and the purposes for which securities may be issued under chapter 31 of title 31, United States Code, are extended to include actions authorized by this Act, including the payment of administrative expenses. Any funds expended for actions authorized by this Act, including the payment of administrative expenses, shall be deemed appropriated at the time of such expenditure.

Sec. 8. Review.

Decisions by the Secretary pursuant to the authority of this Act are non-reviewable and committed to agency discretion, and may not be reviewed by any court of law or any administrative agency.

Sec. 9. Termination of Authority.

The authorities under this Act, with the exception of authorities granted in sections 2(b)(5), 5 and 7, shall terminate two years from the date of enactment of this Act.

Sec. 10. Increase in Statutory Limit on the Public Debt.

Subsection (b) of section 3101 of title 31, United States Code, is amended by striking out the dollar limitation contained in such subsection and inserting in lieu thereof $11,315,000,000,000.

Sec. 11. Credit Reform.

The costs of purchases of mortgage-related assets made under section 2(a) of this Act shall be determined as provided under the Federal Credit Reform Act of 1990, as applicable.

Sec. 12. Definitions.

For purposes of this section, the following definitions shall apply:

(1) Mortgage-Related Assets.--The term “mortgage-related assets” means residential or commercial mortgages and any securities, obligations, or other instruments that are based on or related to such mortgages, that in each case was originated or issued on or before September 17, 2008.

(2) Secretary.--The term “Secretary” means the Secretary of the Treasury.

(3) United States.--The term “United States” means the States, territories, and possessions of the United States and the District of Columbia.

Nitro Express
11-04-2010, 10:33 PM
I could tell Obama didn't care about the US or our culture when he was campaigning. He wouldn't show respect during the National Anthem or Pledge Alllegiance. He wanted the US flag off his campaign plane. It was apparent he not only wasn't one of us but seemed to loath everything we stood for.

He came in office with one agenda and one agenda only, to roll over the US Constitution and replace it with a socialist dictatorship. He didn't care how unpopular he was and showed disdain for the average American. He knew best and then after the election had the gaul to blame the voter and say we were to dumb to understand his perfect, infallable plan and he was in such a hurry he couldn't market it very good but it was basically our fault that it got derailed.

He's not going to bend or change and without absolute power the White House is going to be a miserable place for the egomaniac. He wants to be this great world figure anyways. I could see him being happier running the United Nations full time or having a position of power in the European Union. It's obvious he hates this country and if he can't dupe us into falling for his big change program, he's just going to take his ball and go elsewhere.

The guy is a nut job who should have never been elected in the first place. Obama was a costly lesson.

Nitro Express
11-04-2010, 10:35 PM
Rohm Emanuel knew Obama was a nut job so he cut out to avoid being tied with the loser as he stubbornly holds onto his failed vision like the insane captain of the Orca trying to land the big shark.

Va Beach VH Fan
11-04-2010, 10:37 PM
You know, Nitro, that you can put all of your thoughts in one post, right ??

Just a tip... ;)

Nitro Express
11-04-2010, 10:45 PM
If that was true it's surprising that everyone who is even slightly to the left thinks he has totally let them down and spent far too much time negotiating with Republicans when he had both houses.

Obama never negotiated anything. He goes out and sells his plan and tells what lies he has to in order to sugar coat the sell. He said himself his agenda was more important than a second term and Nancy Pelosi said she didn't care if she lost some seats in the house because passing the legislation was so important. The whole thing was passed in the middle of the night on Christmas Eve and nobody ready the damn bill including Obama himself. They had the majority and were off to the races to pass as much stuff as they could and Obama thought he would get enough done where it couldn't be reversed. He thought the American public would stay duped longer.

Seshmeister
11-04-2010, 10:51 PM
I could tell Obama didn't care about the US or our culture when he was campaigning. He wouldn't show respect during the National Anthem or Pledge Alllegiance. He wanted the US flag off his campaign plane. It was apparent he not only wasn't one of us but seemed to loath everything we stood for.

He came in office with one agenda and one agenda only, to roll over the US Constitution and replace it with a socialist dictatorship. He didn't care how unpopular he was and showed disdain for the average American. He knew best and then after the election had the gaul to blame the voter and say we were to dumb to understand his perfect, infallable plan and he was in such a hurry he couldn't market it very good but it was basically our fault that it got derailed.

He's not going to bend or change and without absolute power the White House is going to be a miserable place for the egomaniac. He wants to be this great world figure anyways. I could see him being happier running the United Nations full time or having a position of power in the European Union. It's obvious he hates this country and if he can't dupe us into falling for his big change program, he's just going to take his ball and go elsewhere.

The guy is a nut job who should have never been elected in the first place. Obama was a costly lesson.

All this crap about flags is a bit silly now, the US is over 300 years old now time to grow up a bit.

As far as Obama in Europe he's still to the right of most of our conservative parties we're just relieved you don't have a fucking retard in charge at the moment which reduces greatly the chance of a worldwide catastrophe.

sadaist
11-04-2010, 10:58 PM
If the 2012 election were between Palin and Hillary....I'd vote Hillary. As much as I hate to say it, she is the lesser of the 2 evils. She sure has been awfully quiet while the country realizes Obama was a mistake.

Republicans can win if they put up a decent candidate. I honestly don't know who that is though. I used to like Mitt, but he has been out of sight pretty much. Donald Trump? Maybe as VP. Dude is extremely smart. I used to hate him until I read his books.

Seshmeister
11-04-2010, 11:01 PM
That's true, I think Obama will probably get back in if he just keeps his nose clean and the economy starts to recover a bit because chances are the Republicans are going to end up fielding a complete bozo candidate after a huge fight with themselves.

It's kind of nuts though that people are talking about the next election already. This is the reason nothing ever gets done politically in the US, everyone spends their whole time campaigning rather than actually doing something.

Nitro Express
11-04-2010, 11:17 PM
Obama will have to do what Bill Clinton did and give in to the Republicans and work with them but Bill had a good economy and was not a radicle like Obama. I think Obama will stick to his guns and if he runs he will lose. It's going to be impossible to get anything done the next two years because the government will be in stalemate. Who knows what will happen to the dollar in that time. I saw this coming a long time ago. I can hunker down for awhile no problem.

Nitro Express
11-04-2010, 11:22 PM
If the 2012 election were between Palin and Hillary....I'd vote Hillary. As much as I hate to say it, she is the lesser of the 2 evils. She sure has been awfully quiet while the country realizes Obama was a mistake.

Republicans can win if they put up a decent candidate. I honestly don't know who that is though. I used to like Mitt, but he has been out of sight pretty much. Donald Trump? Maybe as VP. Dude is extremely smart. I used to hate him until I read his books.

I don't think Palin will get the Republican nomination. It's being openly talked about that one of the biggest challenges of the Republican Party is to get rid of her. She isn't as popular as the media makes her to be. In fact, I don't trust her, I think she has sold out already plus, she just isn't intelligent enough to be president. Obama is smart enough but sadly he thinks citizens should just be serfs to the enlightened ones like himself. If Obama was half-way honest and wasn't such a socialist elitist I would like the guy.

GAR
11-04-2010, 11:42 PM
Beloved American Peoples ,

I am sincerely very much delighted to write this message to you from India, therefore I will like you to read it with understanding .

Please I want to know if you can be able to assist me regarding to the content of this message. we were conjoined twin orphans Obi and Bama, but it was sad that Obi Passed away 20+ years, and I Obi is trying to carry on with my dead attached brother under one name Obama. The death was contemplated because we both visited our uncle and once we are back home my late brother fell ill and died at spot. I later found out that our father left a sum of (6.5M,USD) Six million Five Hundred Thousand United States Dollars in a box and deposited in one of the security company here in Kenya in our names. But the uncle later process on trying to change the documents to his name and it came to our notice and we have put a stop to that. Also I have contacted a lawyer who will help to secure back all the documents on my name I am just 48years old boy .

Therefore I need your help if you can assist me to have this documents be prepared so that the money can be transfer to you also you will make an arrangement to enable me get a India visa to travel out from this country to join you in your country to enable me to continue with my education so that I will have a bright future back in Harvard when I'm unemployed 2012.

Finally I plead with you to consider the danger of my life over my uncle to enable us come to a conclusion on how you can handle this to the Glory of God.

Hoping to read from you.

You're blessed.
Barry Sotero-Obama

Sensible Shoes
11-04-2010, 11:46 PM
I thought it was Katy Perry and Russell Brand who were in India?

GAR
11-04-2010, 11:53 PM
Obama will be there tomorrow.