George W... What a peice of work [Archive] - The Diamond David Lee Roth Army

Carloscda

11-09-2010, 10:14 PM

LoungeMachine

11-09-2010, 10:16 PM

Want to try this one again?

:gulp:

FORD

11-09-2010, 10:21 PM

Why is that brainless Chimp son of a bitch all over the TV this week? Just because someone wrote a book for him?

LoungeMachine

11-09-2010, 10:24 PM

Yes.

:gulp:

sadaist

11-10-2010, 12:14 AM

Why is that brainless Chimp son of a bitch all over the TV this week? Just because someone wrote a book for him?

I guess he hit the talk circuit pretty hard. I did see about 15 minutes of his Hannity interview at his ranch. Came across really well. Like him or hate him, 1 thing I credit him with is always speaking from his heart & not trying to cover up whatever his true intentions or feelings are. Hopefully the whole interview will make it online. Would like to watch it in full.

Democrats should be pleased at his timing. Sure did get a lot of the spotlight off of the recent election & "shellacking". I was tired of listening to all that crap anyways.

GAR

11-10-2010, 05:57 AM

I want to stand in front of him and ask him what he meant by the illegal aliens merely take the jobs Americans don't want to do.

Seshmeister

11-10-2010, 07:00 AM

I want him convicted of war crimes.

He is now a self confessed torturer.

I guess the US won't being ratifying their membership of the International Criminal Court now...

DavidLeeNatra

11-10-2010, 07:05 AM

I want him convicted of war crimes.

He is now a self confessed torturer.

I guess the US won't being ratifying their membership of the International Criminal Court now...

and a liar...our ex-chancellor Gerhard Schröder says he tells bullshit about the meeting about the war in iraq. and by judging from history I believe him.

Seshmeister

11-10-2010, 07:32 AM

It occurs to me now that Obama has authorised the murder of the American citizen Anwar al-Awlaki for inciting hatred and encouraging terrorism against the US, surely he can have Bush killed too?

Va Beach VH Fan

11-10-2010, 08:51 AM

I want him convicted of war crimes.

He is now a self confessed torturer.

I guess the US won't being ratifying their membership of the International Criminal Court now...

If they were smart, if being the operative word, they would use that as the carrot in any threats the Repubicans have for any bullshit hearings they want to hold for a "corrupt" government.....

The Dems should tell them, "go ahead, and the first hearing you announce, the International War Crimes trial will announce they're charging George W. Bush with war crimes for his admission that he tortured prisoners"......

But of course, that will never happen....

BigBadBrian

11-10-2010, 09:09 AM

and a liar...our ex-chancellor Gerhard Schröder says he tells bullshit about the meeting about the war in iraq. and by judging from history I believe him.

Congratulations...you believe what your Socialist leaders tell you to. Who would have thought? :gulp:

BigBadBrian

11-10-2010, 09:15 AM

If they were smart, if being the operative word, they would use that as the carrot in any threats the Repubicans have for any bullshit hearings they want to hold for a "corrupt" government.....

The Dems should tell them, "go ahead, and the first hearing you announce, the International War Crimes trial will announce they're charging George W. Bush with war crimes for his admission that he tortured prisoners"......

But of course, that will never happen....

REAL Americans would never buy into the ICC thing.

Yeah, let's let a bunch of Socialist Europeans try American citizens and toss the US Constitution out the window.

Besides, your "threat" of allowing the International Kangaroo Court to try US citizens will NEVER clear the HOUSE.

BigBadBrian

11-10-2010, 09:17 AM

I want him convicted of war crimes.

He is now a self confessed torturer.

You are deluded if you think it still isn't happening so shall we convict Obama also?

sadaist

11-10-2010, 10:53 AM

You are deluded if you think it still isn't happening so shall we convict Obama also?

I'd bet everything I own that EVERY President has done the same/similar shit. Definitely not a job for someone with a weak stomach.

Nitro Express

11-10-2010, 01:39 PM

Why is that brainless Chimp son of a bitch all over the TV this week? Just because someone wrote a book for him?

Hmmm. That conspiracy buffoon Alex Jones said Bush was going to hide out on his land in Paraguay as the Skull and Bones Club and Bilderberg Group killed us US citizens off with manditory swine flu vaccines and marshall law.

In reality, I think Bush is bored and wants some attention. Maybe Dick Cheney is the one in Paraguay.

Nitro Express

11-10-2010, 01:47 PM

I want him convicted of war crimes.

He is now a self confessed torturer.

I guess the US won't being ratifying their membership of the International Criminal Court now...

I was hoping Obama and the democratic congress would do exactly that. They were too busy continuing banker bailouts, taking over US corporations, and scheming any way possible to screw us citizens to worry about going after war criminals like Bush and Cheney. That being said, it's obvious the democrats and republicans are financed by the same people. The play book may be different but the result is the same. Less freedom, less rights, more spending, and more government encroachment. The only difference is the ass they kiss to get into power.

FORD

11-10-2010, 01:51 PM

Hmmm. That conspiracy buffoon Alex Jones said Bush was going to hide out on his land in Paraguay as the Skull and Bones Club and Bilderberg Group killed us US citizens off with manditory swine flu vaccines and marshall law.

In reality, I think Bush is bored and wants some attention. Maybe Dick Cheney is the one in Paraguay.

There's a reason the BCE thought they needed a compound in Paraguay. At the time they did this (2006/07) they didn't know who the next President would be. They knew that Bill Clinton would never let Hillary charge the BCE with war crimes, but they weren't so sure about Obama. Let alone John Edwards, Dennis Kucinich, Howard Dean, and especially Al Gore, who might rightfully exact revenge on them. All of the above were potential Presidential candidates at the time Chimpy sent Jenna & Tonic on that little real estate expedition down South.

Unfortunately, this is another area where Obama and Eric Holder have failed to uphold the law. Chimp has confessed to committing felony war crimes. What could be a more slam dunk case? But they won't do it.

Which leaves us only with the hope that dumb son of a bitch takes a vacation overseas and is arrested there. :(

PETE'S BROTHER

11-10-2010, 02:06 PM

they are all lying fuckfaces...

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The inspector general says the editing changes resulted "in the implication that the moratorium recommendation had been peer reviewed." But it hadn't been. The scientists were only asked to review new safety measures for offshore drilling.
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The same report said that President Barack Obama's energy adviser, Carol Browner, and National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration head Jane Lubchenco contributed to the public's perception that a government report on where the oil had gone was more exact than it was by emphasizing peer review. Browner, the commission's staff said, also mischaracterized the analysis on national TV, saying it showed most of the oil was "gone." The report said it could still be there.
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Nitro Express

11-10-2010, 02:28 PM

There's a reason the BCE thought they needed a compound in Paraguay. At the time they did this (2006/07) they didn't know who the next President would be. They knew that Bill Clinton would never let Hillary charge the BCE with war crimes, but they weren't so sure about Obama. Let alone John Edwards, Dennis Kucinich, Howard Dean, and especially Al Gore, who might rightfully exact revenge on them. All of the above were potential Presidential candidates at the time Chimpy sent Jenna & Tonic on that little real estate expedition down South.

Unfortunately, this is another area where Obama and Eric Holder have failed to uphold the law. Chimp has confessed to committing felony war crimes. What could be a more slam dunk case? But they won't do it.

Which leaves us only with the hope that dumb son of a bitch takes a vacation overseas and is arrested there. :(

I think you are right. Obama is a George Soros, Zibignew Brzenski shill who loathes the US and wants to economically destroy it and then turn it into a fascist state where the ones in charge do all the thinking. Obama is tied to Europe where Bush was tied to the Bush family flavor of neoconism. It was about war profiteering and big oil for Bush where for Obama he seems to be fixated on systematically destroying the US. I don't think Bush wanted to destroy the US but use it as a platform to exploit the world.

That being said, both Bush and Obama are horribly flawed people and horrible presidents who don't give a ratt's ass about anyone but themselves. I don't think Obama wants to make enemies with the big oil and military contractor crowd, so he lets them do whatever the hell they want. Obama's main objective is to take the US down at all costs.

Nitro Express

11-10-2010, 02:33 PM

Bill Clinton on the other hand had no real dark agenda. He was just a politician who was for sale to the highest bidder. He just ping ponged around trying to put himself in the position of best advantage to further his political career. Frankly. I would take Clinton over Obama or Bush. Once something became unpopular, he always sided with the voter. Bush and Obama tell us to go to hell.

GAR

11-10-2010, 02:35 PM

He is now a self confessed torturer. I guess the US won't being ratifying their membership of the International Criminal Court now...

AHH those are just guidelines for the rest of the uncivilized world. If we'd have just shot Khalid, he'd have no Informations for us.

At some point you gotta trust the US is doing the right thing to wipe out Islam and converting the Mudpeoples from the notion they've been required to kill themselves for their Mudgod.

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http://www.newsoxy.com/politics/bush-waterboarding-15658.html
Bush Waterboarding: 'I'd do it again'

By: Susan Harris
Staff Writer
Published: Nov 10, 2010
Bush waterboarding is something he would do again, but retired military officials are outraged.

Bush Waterboarding: 'I'd do it again' has sparked outrage. George W. Bush casually admitted that used the waterboarding technique on Khalid Sheikh Mohammed. In fact, he said he would do it again to save lives.

However, the statement has horrified some former military and intelligence officials. They argue that the former president doesn't seem to understand the gravity of what he is admitting. The former officials said that the war interrogation technique is considered torture.

Waterboarding, a form of controlled drowning, is "unequivocably torture", said retired Brigadier General David R. Irvine, a former strategic intelligence officer who taught prisoner of war interrogation and military law for 18 years. "As a nation, we have historically prosecuted it as such, going back to the time of the Spanish-American War," Irvine said. "Moreover, it cannot be demonstrated that any use of waterboarding by U.S. personnel in recent years has saved a single American life."

"Yeah, we waterboarded Khalid Sheikh Mohammed," Bush told a Grand Rapids audience Wednesday, of the self-professed 9/11 mastermind. "I'd do it again to save lives." Some people are defending the former president, but others can't believe what he is saying.

"When he decided to do it the first time, he launched the nation down a disastrous road, and we will continue to pay dearly for the damage his decision has caused," Irvine said. "We are seen by the rest of the world as having abandoned our commitment to international law. We have forfeited enormous amounts of moral leadership as the world's sole remaining superpower. And it puts American troops in greater danger -- and unnecessary danger."

GAR

11-10-2010, 02:43 PM

I was hoping Obama and the democratic congress would do exactly that.

And Obama signs a bill throwing away 300 billion taxdollars to his friends that got him elected, pushes the nation from spending under 2 percent of GDP to more than 5 percent GDP with nothing to show for it, Nebraska and Louisiana's conspiracy in the Obamacare bill, and the govt takeovers? Those aren't crimes?

At some point you have to assess the greater value here, and it's not a foreigner terrorist who's life is worth less than a McDonald's Happy Meal.

Nitro Express

11-10-2010, 03:05 PM

The voter still elects presidents. Sure the big money can buy lots of ad time and use all the Hollywood and public relations tools to make a candidate into a celebrity. Obama won because what is known as the swing voters gave him the benefit of the doubt. Nobody really had that strong of a candidate and many felt McCain would be another Bush. Plus, the ditz he chose as a running mate didn't help.

Many saw Obama as the lesser of the two evils so Obama got the swing vote. There was nobody really good to vote for so they when with the guy who was promising something different. Of course a little research would show Obama as a Marxist radicle but nobody seemed to care and anyone who did was labeled a right wing kook.

Nitro Express

11-10-2010, 03:11 PM

The best offense is a good defense. Instead of invading countries looking for terrorists and throwing goat herders into concentration camps, you just secure your borders. Make it so nobody can get in and then deport who doesn't belong here. We have the scanning technology to do this and for what we have spent fucking Iraq and Afghanistan, we could have put a gold plated wall along the Mexican border.

PETE'S BROTHER

11-10-2010, 03:21 PM

a diamond encrusted gold plated wall

FORD

11-10-2010, 03:29 PM

Or single payer health care for every man, woman, and child in America :(

hambon4lif

11-10-2010, 03:39 PM

The voter still elects presidents.I have pity on those who still believe such nonsense.......

Guitar Shark

11-10-2010, 04:01 PM

Thank goodness we have Brian here to tell us who all the "REAL Americans" are...

jhale667

11-10-2010, 05:10 PM

Thank goodness we have Brian here to tell us who all the "REAL Americans" are...

As told to him by FAUX News.

sadaist

11-10-2010, 06:14 PM

and it's not a foreigner terrorist who's life is worth less than a McDonald's Happy Meal.

Especially now that Democrats made them take away the free toy.

:(

PETE'S BROTHER

11-10-2010, 06:23 PM

Especially now that Democrats made them take away the free toy.

:(

unless you change the fries for preserved apple slices with sugar paste caramel dipping sauce, then you get the piece of shit plastic from china:(:barf:

Seshmeister

11-10-2010, 06:45 PM

REAL Americans would never buy into the ICC thing.

Yeah, let's let a bunch of Socialist Europeans try American citizens and toss the US Constitution out the window.

Besides, your "threat" of allowing the International Kangaroo Court to try US citizens will NEVER clear the HOUSE.

It's not a 'bunch of Socialist Europeans' who are signed up to the International Criminal Court, it's virtually every country in the world apart from the US, Burma and Russia.

As far as it not going through the House I agree, it can't go through the House because your system has become corrupted.

Otherwise how could the report of the US general investigating the Abu Ghraib atrocities find the Bush administration committed war crimes and then just be ignored?

Nitro Express

11-10-2010, 09:02 PM

It's not a 'bunch of Socialist Europeans' who are signed up to the International Criminal Court, it's virtually every country in the world apart from the US, Burma and Russia.

As far as it not going through the House I agree, it can't go through the House because your system has become corrupted.

Otherwise how could the report of the US general investigating the Abu Ghraib atrocities find the Bush administration committed war crimes and then just be ignored?

No shit the system has been corrupted. It's because Americans don't pay attention to what the politicians are doing and there is plenty of lobbyists in Washington to corrupt. What does work is staying on your elected officials. I wrote all the ones who won on our county ballot and congratulated them on their win. Then I said I want the spending cut and I don't care about pork. If everyone did this, things would change. You are always going to have some bad, corrupt politicians but if we ride them the whole time and not just durning election, we might be able to turn things.

Also, we need at least two parties in control. If either of them get total control it's total disaster. If you are a consevative, clean up your party. If you are a liberal clean up your party. Get some good people in office and we all agree on the important issues. We might differ on how to solve them but we need to cut the spending and bring industry back. We can't print our way out of the mess, we are going to have to produce our way out and the outsourcing has to stop.

ELVIS

11-10-2010, 09:24 PM

The printing of currency and inflation is here to stay no matter what party gets in...

Seshmeister

11-10-2010, 09:31 PM

GAR

11-11-2010, 12:44 AM

How much more different is that in the UK -

Kristy

11-11-2010, 01:13 AM

1 thing I credit him with is always speaking from his heart & not trying to cover up whatever his true intentions or feelings are.

Oh, FUCKING PLU-EZE!

Nitro Express

11-11-2010, 02:34 AM

The printing of currency and inflation is here to stay no matter what party gets in...

That's why there is a worldwide run on real assets. Commodity prices will go through the roof while paper assets tumble. The truth of the matter is central fractional reserve banking is just one big ponzi scheme and it's coming to an end. Everyone talks about all the debt we have ran up. Ok, we are in a huge amount of debt but where did the money come from that we borrowed? Simple, it came from nothing. Let's use China as an example. They have loaned us close to $1 Trillion. Where did they get that trillion? They printed it out of nothing. In fact, The Federal Reserve could print everything but you help keep the illusion of worth going by taxing the public and borrowing money. At the end of the day it's all bullshit and if the masses wake up to this, then the game is up. If we give our debtors real assets to pay the debt off then of course they have ripped us off.

What's going to eventually happen is the dollar will inflate to being almost worthless and when the multiplier is zero, you can have a gazillion dollars of debt and still not owe a thing. But you don't want to have your personal assets in dollars when that happens. Then we trade something else. Basically, the whole worldwide central banking system is melting down and everyone is cutting rates to zero and the banks are buying stocks with printed money rallying the stock market but gold still shoots up. It's obvious the whole system is rigged and being played.

Nitro Express

11-11-2010, 02:39 AM

The candidates will look at your little letter, then they'll think about who is going to pay for their re-election campaign and act accordingly.

Like here there are vast amounts of US government spending that they simply can't touch like pensions because they are legally committed to them. Of the remainder or discretionary spending military spending makes up 55%.

Not if they get enough letters. They have to have the votes to get re-elected and the public still owns those. Basically what I'm saying is Joe Public actually has more power than he thinks if he has the numbers. Hey, if people just want to continue watching TV and drinking beer and not have any clue who their congressman is, then we're fucked. We can blame the politicians and the lobbyists but they only take it all over when the public lets them do it.

Nitro Express

11-11-2010, 02:41 AM

If you have 20% of the public motivated, you can take the government back. You don't need a majority. Most people just sit on the fence. But if you have a well organized and motivated 20%, you can do it.

Seshmeister

11-11-2010, 04:38 AM

How much more different is that in the UK -

It's far from perfect but there are two key rules that would hugely help the US.

a) Political TV and Radio adverts are illegal. A few slots are allocated to the parties and the broadcasters have to show them as part of their license for free.

b) There is a spending limit for each candidate of about $40k plus 10c per voter in each seat. That would translate for a Senate seat in California to about $1.5 million, they currently spend 100 times that.

The main parties centrally still rely on donations and often take them from big business but because of (a) the total for an election of all the seats is usually under about $12m per major party.

ace diamond

11-16-2010, 03:55 AM

ace diamond

11-16-2010, 04:17 AM

ok, folks-let's simplify this whole debate.
all politicians are greedy and corrupt lying fucking sacks of shit who are only out for themselves by any means necessary.
absolute power absolutely corrupts.
it's the eternal quest for who can gain the most power and possess more quantities of the almighty dollar than everyone else....
etc, etc, etc,.............
here, i'm now going to hand the reigns over to ozzy to assist me in making my point.
ozz.........
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and also, ozzy says this:
Mother please forgive them
For they know not what they do
Looking back in history's books
It seems it's nothing new
Oh, let my mother live

Heaven is for heroes
And hell is full of fools
Stupidity, no will to live
They're breaking God's own rules
Please let my mother live

Father of all creation
I think we're all going wrong
The path they're taking
Seems to be breaking
And it won't take too long
Children of the future
Watching empires fall
Madness, the cup they drink from
Self destruction, the toll

I had a vision, l saw the world burn
And the seas had turned red
The sun had fallen, the final curtain
In the land of the dead
Mother, please show the children
Before it's too late
To fight each other, there's no one winning
We must fight all the hate

so, to say that ozzy has seen this coming for a long time and has tried to warn us for at least 40 years is food for thought.
now i know that geezer butler wrote these immortal words of warning back in 1970, but ozzy is the one who sang them to us.

Generals gathered in their masses,
Just like witches at black masses.
Evil minds that plot destruction,
Sorcerers of death's construction.
In the fields the bodies burning,
As the war machine keeps turning.
Death and hatred to mankind,
Poisoning their brainwashed minds.
Oh lord, yeah!

Politicians hide themselves away.
They only started the war.
Why should they go out to fight?
They leave that role to the poor, yeah.

Time will tell on their power minds,
Making war just for fun.
Treating people just like pawns in chess,
Wait till their judgement day comes, yeah.

Now in darkness world stops turning,
Ashes where the bodies burning.
No more War Pigs have the power,
Hand of God has struck the hour.
Day of judgement, God is calling,
On their knees the war pigs crawling.
Begging mercies for their sins,
Satan, laughing, spreads his wings.
Oh lord, yeah!

maybe it's just me, but is anyone else sensing a general theme here?

and for the last 40 years we have ignored ozzy and his and geezer butler's wise words of warning.

sometimes art imitates life, and sometimes life imitates art.
ultimately, they mirror each other as a reflection of each other and the times.

perhaps it is not too late for us to finally heed these aforementioned warnings and take actions to stop
the country from passing the point of no return, because, frankly, were a lot closer
to the brink than you may think.

Seshmeister

11-16-2010, 05:00 AM

and also, ozzy says this:
Mother please forgive them
For they know not what they do
Looking back in history's books
It seems it's nothing new
Oh, let my mother live
...

One of the problems with your post is Ozzy never wrote any of this.

I guess taking your political beliefs from an Australian bass player rather than an Australian billionaire media magnate is a step forward though...

ashstralia

11-16-2010, 05:13 AM

haha! ace is punk drosting.....:)

ace diamond

11-16-2010, 12:19 PM

haha! ace is punk drosting.....:)
actually, no, i was totally sober.
i actually put some thought into that whole thing before i posted it.
I'm not sure quite how many brain cell I've got left that are functioning,
but I put them to work last night when i put that post together.

ace diamond

11-16-2010, 12:24 PM

One of the problems with your post is Ozzy never wrote any of this.

I guess taking your political beliefs from an Australian bass player rather than an Australian billionaire media magnate is a step forward though...
i'm well aware that ozzy is severely dislexic.
i was never entirely certain of exactly who penned them, so i just gave the ozzman the credit.
it's ace fucking stuff.
oh, and sesh, thank you for the compliment.

Jagermeister

11-16-2010, 01:09 PM

If they were smart, if being the operative word, they would use that as the carrot in any threats the Repubicans have for any bullshit hearings they want to hold for a "corrupt" government.....

The Dems should tell them, "go ahead, and the first hearing you announce, the International War Crimes trial will announce they're charging George W. Bush with war crimes for his admission that he tortured prisoners"......

But of course, that will never happen....

He didn't torture anyone for fuck sakes. He just approved the use of water boarding in interogationg the fucking enemy. I would have approved cutting off some fingers. That's torture.

Seshmeister

11-16-2010, 05:59 PM

Christopher Hitchens had the same opinion as you but the guts to try it.

It's interesting that after WWII the US hanged Japanese who had waterboarded aliied troops for torture.

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Secondly torture does NOT work in any case because people just tell you anything to make you stop.

Thirdly since most of the people in Guantanamo were picked up for money by tribesmen and finally released without charge who says they were 'enemies'? Other people who were tortured?

Terry

11-16-2010, 09:38 PM

Nitro Express

11-17-2010, 07:31 PM

George W. Bush is a hard man to figure out. When he was running for election the first time I checked him out. I would ask people in Texas how they liked him as governor and they liked him. I talked to a lot of different people and I never heard one negative about Bush. I'm a small government guy so I decided to vote for Bush and man did I ever regret doing so. Oh well, the same shit probably would have happened under Gore. He turned out to be a scum bag as well.

The thing about Bush is he seemed to have just been a puppet while the sharks in his cabinet took over and ran things. Bush was out riding his mountain bike, during key working hours, while a war was going on and Dick Chenney was at the White House.

If anything, I think Bush was plain out of touch and out of his league. I don't think he was this evil guy with a hidden agenda. I think his handlers had the agenda.

Nitro Express

11-17-2010, 07:45 PM

Just seemed odd that one W's stated biggest regrets was when (to use his words) "Conway West" said that W didn't care about black people.

I guess it really isn't that odd in the sense that W never second-guesses the choices he made and is never sorry for anything he has done. Regardless of the long-term ramifications of the tax breaks he gave or invading Iraq, W will insist to his dying day that these were the right things to do and offer no apologies for doing them, or even admit that any of choices proved to be problematic.

Kinda weird how virtually no GOP candidates either in 2008 or 2010 wanted W to make appearances on their behalf or were seeking W's public endorsement. Speaks volumes, eh?

I remember my dad saying Herbert Walker Bush was a smart man but just seemed out of touch with the average American. His son W seems equally out of touch. I think the Bush's just live in a whole different universe than you and I.

Lawrence Rockefeller used to be a resident here in Jackson Hole. The Rockefeller family bought up a bunch of land and later donated it as Teton National Park. The Federal Reserve Bank has their annual summer retreat here every summer. You hear all these conspiracy theories about the Rockefeller family and the Federal Reserve. I know some people here who knew Lawrence Rockefeller well and they all have good things to say. Apparently he was a nice man and he did donate his ranch for public use after he died. One person who knew him well said the Rockefellers live in a different universe than you or I. He said what we might view as greed they view as responsibility. He said Lawrence at times would make comments that the banking elite and accademics were better at making decisions than the average citizen. He said not in a snotty way but in a matter of fact way Lawrence really believed his family and it's associates were better informed to make decisions for the world.

I certainly don't agree with that and it opens the door to abuse but I think the Bush family were of the same ilk. Kind of like how the Skull and Bones club set their watches five minutes ahead and call it bonesman time and the time we use barbarian time. To his credit, George W Bush for being raised under such elitism probably isn't as big of a snob as he could have been. Being raised like that just has to fuck with your head.

Terry

11-18-2010, 10:18 PM

I remember my dad saying Herbert Walker Bush was a smart man but just seemed out of touch with the average American. His son W seems equally out of touch. I think the Bush's just live in a whole different universe than you and I.

Lawrence Rockefeller used to be a resident here in Jackson Hole. The Rockefeller family bought up a bunch of land and later donated it as Teton National Park. The Federal Reserve Bank has their annual summer retreat here every summer. You hear all these conspiracy theories about the Rockefeller family and the Federal Reserve. I know some people here who knew Lawrence Rockefeller well and they all have good things to say. Apparently he was a nice man and he did donate his ranch for public use after he died. One person who knew him well said the Rockefellers live in a different universe than you or I. He said what we might view as greed they view as responsibility. He said Lawrence at times would make comments that the banking elite and accademics were better at making decisions than the average citizen. He said not in a snotty way but in a matter of fact way Lawrence really believed his family and it's associates were better informed to make decisions for the world.

I certainly don't agree with that and it opens the door to abuse but I think the Bush family were of the same ilk. Kind of like how the Skull and Bones club set their watches five minutes ahead and call it bonesman time and the time we use barbarian time. To his credit, George W Bush for being raised under such elitism probably isn't as big of a snob as he could have been. Being raised like that just has to fuck with your head.

What is surprising is how so many of W's supporters buy into the myth that he's an average guy from Texas, even though one must assume on a deeper level they must know better.

I mean, we can't choose what family we're born into, but the idea that W, who was educated at exclusive Northeastern prep schools, went to Yale and Harvard and was the son of a former president...the idea that he's some down-home, folksy good ole boy at heart...I think it's just bullshit.