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FORD
11-18-2010, 12:53 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGkZ_w-daks

PETE'S BROTHER
11-18-2010, 07:29 PM
i would prefer coffee

Nitro Express
11-19-2010, 01:13 AM
I've flown charter since 2001 to avoid the airport shit and it keeps getting shittier.

Nitro Express
11-19-2010, 01:21 AM
Well Obama could get rid of the machines with an executive order because Napalitano is his Homeland Security Czar. Nice to know Bushe's FEMA fuck is making lot's of money off those Malaysian made radiation machines.

Nitro Express
11-19-2010, 01:38 AM
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FORD
11-21-2010, 07:46 PM
http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/comment/7/2010/11/e03ae25dc958db86f625a27e6c8e2083/340x.jpg

Does this mean "Andy Taylor" got a new job?:confused11:

Nitro Express
11-21-2010, 11:19 PM
If the TSA hires only hot chicks, I'm flying more often. They can frisk and grope me all they want.

lesfunk
11-22-2010, 12:22 AM
If one of those Government stooges tries to grab my junk I'll fart on his hand

Nitro Express
11-22-2010, 01:17 AM
If one of those Government stooges tries to grab my junk I'll fart on his hand

You fart out of your dick?

Hardrock69
11-22-2010, 09:37 AM
SEIG HEIL!
http://i53.tinypic.com/214pgg4.jpg

Now you can be 'detained' (unlawful detention, kidnapping, whatever) if you refuse to go through either a scan or a pat down.

http://www.wpbf.com/r/25855931/detail.html

Now you can be thrown in jail and/or fined up to $11,000 for refusing to stick around after you refuse either one:

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/accent/travel/11-000-fine-arrest-possible-for-some-who-1059926.html


LUFTWAFFE AIRLINES - ONE NATION UNDER DER FOURTH REICH!

http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/4633/unsereluftwaffe.jpg


We had already become a police state, it just takes time for the evidence to accumulate to where people begin to become truly aware of it.

SIEG HEIL!

http://i56.tinypic.com/357ingk.jpg

If you want to buy a car, a home, or even if you want to finance a major appliance, you must now prove you are not a 'terrist':

http://theintelligencer.net/page/content.detail/id/548851/Buying-a-Car-a-Little-Harder-Now.html?nav=515

Well, I was happy I got to fly a few times in my life. If I have the choice either to submit to a DEATHSKAN or a pat down by a fucking faggot TSA screener, I guess I will not be flying anymore.

Certainly if I decide to tell them no, I do not want (one of the above), then it becomes a case of being sent to a slave kamp somewhere.

Next thing you know, going by train will not be an option.

Then the Gestapo will begin to have a cow if you decide to drive your car out of your state.

"VER AH YHOO GOINK ON DER BICYCLEKAMPFUNFLUGENWAGEN?!?!?!?!?

YOR PAPEZ PLEEZE!!!!"

http://i52.tinypic.com/25yvegz.jpg

Then you will not even be able to walk your dog without looking up and seeing this:

http://i52.tinypic.com/2rwrinl.jpg

Only one place to go after that I guess
http://i56.tinypic.com/29ek7ep.jpg

FORD
11-22-2010, 10:28 PM
http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?get_gallery=723

What is the goddamn justification for grabbing a kid's package?

Nitro Express
11-23-2010, 01:58 AM
Welcome to fascism. President Mussolini welcomes you!

Nitro Express
11-23-2010, 02:10 AM
Here is some pleasurable airport music to listen to while you stand in line at the TSA checkpoint.

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BigBadBrian
11-23-2010, 08:59 AM
I think the israeli's have it correct on airport security.

Ever been through Ben Gurion (Tel Aviv)?

I have. Fairly quick, thorough, and efficient.

BigBadBrian
11-23-2010, 09:00 AM
http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?get_gallery=723

What is the goddamn justification for grabbing a kid's package?

Gotta agree with you there, Ford.

Seshmeister
11-23-2010, 09:14 AM
I think the israeli's have it correct on airport security.

Ever been through Ben Gurion (Tel Aviv)?

I have. Fairly quick, thorough, and efficient.

Yeah the SS were efficient too...

FORD
11-23-2010, 10:46 AM
I think the israeli's have it correct on airport security.

Ever been through Ben Gurion (Tel Aviv)?

I have. Fairly quick, thorough, and efficient.

Thom Hartmann was describing their system last week, and I would have to agree it sounds far more logical than groping and radiation. The challenge with the Israeli system is focusing on psychological profiling, as opposed to race or religion based. For example, if you're only looking at brown people with names like "Ahmed" and "Mohammed", then you wouldn't catch the Tim McVeigh types.

Most disgusting thing about this is that the pornoscanners are owned by none other than former BCE Reichland Security boss Michael "of the Devil" Chertoff, who is himself an Israeli born dual citizen and is obviously familiar with the procedures used over there. He's just in it for money.

Hardrock69
11-23-2010, 11:14 AM
Unfortunately, the Fourth Reich is not interested in doing anything on a psychological level, aside from national propaganda and psy-ops.

The TSA think the heavy-handed approach is best. I think the Israeli approach is best. Oh well.

Nitro Express
11-23-2010, 12:14 PM
Yeah the SS were efficient too...

I've flown El Al. If you are a white American, they ask you some questions, and only selectively search you beyond going through a metal detector. If you are an arab, get ready for the cavity search.

Nitro Express
11-23-2010, 12:17 PM
I would rather chance getting blown up in an airplane that to live a abusive police state. Freedom requires some risk, I love the rush of the risk freedom brings.

Nitro Express
11-23-2010, 02:03 PM
The thing is, this system of security is all about government contractors selling equipment and pocketing the money. It's about taking more rights away and letting the people know the government owns their ass. It's about flexing government muscle and not real security. It would be easy to smuggle explosives past the TSA. If they were serious they would use explosive sniffing dogs. We used them at Hanford. The problem is former Homeland Security officials don't make any money and they can't humiliate you with dogs.

Jagermeister
11-23-2010, 02:05 PM
:lmao:

http://gawker.com/5695857/who-got-groped-by-the-tsa-this-weekend

Nitro Express
11-23-2010, 02:06 PM
Unfortunately, the Fourth Reich is not interested in doing anything on a psychological level, aside from national propaganda and psy-ops.

The TSA think the heavy-handed approach is best. I think the Israeli approach is best. Oh well.

You need an organized minority to change things. I think we have enough pissed off people and the TSA just adds to the motivation. It's time to wipe the Bush/Obama abuses with our ass and toss it out. We can start this January by defunding the abusing programs and agencies. The American public made the mistake of electing fascist assholes into office and now we are seeing their dirty fruit.

Seshmeister
11-23-2010, 02:34 PM
I've flown El Al. If you are a white American, they ask you some questions, and only selectively search you beyond going through a metal detector. If you are an arab, get ready for the cavity search.

Exactly. And the SS never put white American Christians into gas chambers.

jhale667
11-23-2010, 03:53 PM
Rush had to open his fat trap on the subject..

Rush suggests Obama should "take his daughter to the airport and have a TSA grope her" to show it's safe

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Jagermeister
11-23-2010, 04:34 PM
Rush had to open his fat trap on the subject..

Rush suggests Obama should "take his daughter to the airport and have a TSA grope her" to show it's safe

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That's not a bad idea. Really this thing is getting so much media attension the TSA is going to back off soon enough.

FORD
11-23-2010, 08:41 PM
That's not a bad idea. Really this thing is getting so much media attension the TSA is going to back off soon enough.

Not soon enough, considering this is one of the busiest travel weeks of the year. Thankfully I'm not flying anywhere.

Hardrock69
11-23-2010, 09:03 PM
Rush had to open his fat trap on the subject..

Rush suggests Obama should "take his daughter to the airport and have a TSA grope her" to show it's safe



For once (I never thought I would say this EVER) I agree with Fatass. :umm:

sadaist
11-24-2010, 02:36 AM
I've been hearing one side of the airport screening argument saying we should not pat down everyone, but profile people. The other side screams racial profiling is wrong. This was the same argument that happened with Arizonas SB-1070 illegal immigrant law.

I have been profiled my entire life. I buy cigarettes or alcohol, if I "appear" under a specific age I am required to show my ID card. If I enter a bar / night club and "appear" under a certain age I am asked to provide my ID card. There are border checkpoints on the freeways here in southern CA where if I "appear" a certain way I am asked additional questions. If I do not answer them to the authorities satisfaction, I am taken to the side for a more thorough search. When I was little I couldn't go on certain rides or in to certain movies if I appeared under a certain age. I don't get the senior discount at Dennys because I don't "appear" over age 55.

So what is so wrong with taking people aside before boarding an airplane if they appear to fit the profile of a terrorist? It doesn't just mean brown skin, or muslim, or Arab, or young. Similar to the border checkpoint guards, these guys are highly trained to know what to look for. People acting nervous, darting their eyes & view, twitches, stuttering when answering, etc....

There is a huge difference between discrimination and unfair discrimination.

Drivers over age 65 pay more for their car insurance than younger drivers. Why? Because that age group has a higher rate of accidents. 16 year old pay more than 40 year olds for the same exact car insurance. Why? Same thing. 16 year olds have a much higher accident rate and therefore pose a much higher risk exposure. It's not based on the individual, but the exposure their entire demographic poses. So why aren't people screaming how unfair it is that teenage new drivers have to pay double or triple what a middle aged person pays? Because we know it's correct in assessing the risk. A young man flying in from Yemen on a cash paid 1-way ticket probably poses a greater risk than the American couple with 2 kids traveling round trip from Ohio to Indiana. Or the newlyweds traveling round trip from Los Angeles to Honolulu or Acapulco.

This whole TSA thing is insane. Putting tens of millions of Americans through advanced screening when we know damn well we are looking for a tiny % of a specific demographic. Could a white 7 year old girl from Iowa be strapped with a bomb? Absolutely. But the risk posed does not justify the procedures we follow. We are heading down a very bad road here. Very soon we will all have to have ID cards, iris scans & full body scans for passage anywhere. Worked great for James Bond gaining access to the secret files. But not for hundreds of millions of people. All in the name of protecting ourselves. Is it worth it? I don't think so.

The government was not intended to control the people. The people were intended to control the government.

LoungeMachine
11-24-2010, 03:15 AM
I think the israeli's have it correct on airport security.

Ever been through Ben Gurion (Tel Aviv)?

I have. Fairly quick, thorough, and efficient.

And not in the slightest bit applicable or feasible in our country.....

:gulp:

BigBadBrian
11-24-2010, 05:18 AM
And not in the slightest bit applicable or feasible in our country.....

:gulp:

Sure it is...explain yourself.

BigBadBrian
11-24-2010, 05:27 AM
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/11/23/article-1332307-0C31DA2A000005DC-171_634x421.jpg

I'm saving up the biggest fart humanly possible when I get searched and the TSA dude is in this position. I'll probably get arrested for brandishing a deadly weapon.

ashstralia
11-24-2010, 06:27 AM
clearly the dastardly b.c.e. at it again.

Dr. Love
11-24-2010, 10:49 AM
They aren't groping you ... they are giving you freedom squeezes

FORD
11-24-2010, 12:48 PM
Published on Monday, November 22, 2010 by CommonDreams.org

Michael Chertoff, Bend Over, Please…

by Thom Hartmann

During the time you're reading these words, somewhere in the world somebody is getting onto or off an airplane with a few ounces of cocaine, heroin, or diamonds packed into a condom and stuffed up their rear.

The cocaine, heroin, or diamonds could just as easily be enough C4 plastic explosive to blow out the side of a plane, easily molded to fit into a condom.

Easily removed in an airplane lavatory and detonated.

Why isn't anybody discussing this?

Not since 2001 when we learned that Taco Bell managers made more than our airport security people - and in most cases were better trained - has this much attention surrounded airport screening procedures.

Procedures that led to one woman - a cancer survivor - being forced to remove her prosthetic breast during a pat down procedure.

Another cancer survivor had his urostomy bag torn during a pat down - causing urine to spill all over his clothes.

And just today - a new video was released showing a young boy - half-naked - being touched by a TSA agent.

Had it been that boy's teacher, he'd be in prison right now.

And the alternative is to get X-rayed.

If you fly several times a year, some suggest there is a higher risk that you could die from contracting skin cancer from one of these x-ray machines than die in a terrorist attack.

And statisticians point out that when people don't fly but drive long distances, they're more likely to die in car accidents than to die in a terrorist attack if there was no security whatsoever.

And these skin-surface X-ray machines - or even the most invasive of pat downs - won't be able to find plastic explosive stuffed into a body cavity.

So, if we really care about being secure, shouldn't we add another layer of security - one including sterile gloves and KY Jelly?

Show your driver's licence and ticket, and bend over?

What we are losing are basic freedoms - the right to privacy, the right to not be irradiated.

But some Americans are waking up.

In increasing numbers, they're saying no to Michael Chertoff's lobbying group that sells the Chertoff Porno Scanners, and to the frightened pundits defending our being groped.

And canceling their airline flights.

As Benjamin Franklin famously wrote on February 17, 1775 in his notes to the Pennsylvania Assembly, "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."

If we are serious about stopping Middle Eastern zealots from attacking us, instead of blowing up our own Fourth Amendment right to be secure in our persons, let's stop blowing up Middle Eastern countries.

When the Obama administration pulls our troops out of Iraq and Afghanistan, and works hard to resolve the Israeli/Palestinian crisis, then I'll believe our government really cares about our safety.

Until then, it's just theatre - with a few millions in profit for Chertoff and his friends.

Michael Chertoff?

Come over here and bend over, please.

Thom Hartmann (thom at thomhartmann.com) is a Project Censored Award-winning New York Times best-selling author, and host of a nationally syndicated daily progressive talk program The Thom Hartmann Show. His most recent book is Rebooting the American Dream: 11 Ways to Rebuild Our Country. Previous books include: Threshold: The Crisis of Western Culture, The Last Hours of Ancient Sunlight, Unequal Protection: The Rise of Corporate Dominance and the Theft of Human Rights, We The People: A Call To Take Back America, What Would Jefferson Do?, Screwed: The Undeclared War Against the Middle Class and What We Can Do About It, and Cracking The Code: The Art and Science of Political Persuasion.

Nitro Express
11-24-2010, 01:02 PM
That ugly chopped off turkey head laying in the snow looked a lot like Michael Chertoff. That dude is one ugly mother fuck.

Nitro Express
11-24-2010, 01:06 PM
If they are concerned about explosives, go to the city pound, rescue the dogs and train them to be explosive sniffing K9 officers. In many cases dogs are more accurate than technology and less instrusive. Plus dog's are experts in smelling crotches and ass.

Nitro Express
11-24-2010, 01:08 PM
I hope everyone is writing their elected officials on this. Nothing changes unless enough people complain. Obama probably won't budge but the congress can cut off TSA's money.

sadaist
11-24-2010, 01:39 PM
If they are concerned about explosives, go to the city pound, rescue the dogs and train them to be explosive sniffing K9 officers. In many cases dogs are more accurate than technology and less instrusive. Plus dog's are experts in smelling crotches and ass.


My dog can smell a donut 4 miles away. No shit. He actually broke his collar in a parking lot once to try for a run in to the little donut shop across the way. Their door was open & the smell was just wafting out. If somehow explosives tasted like cinnamon & sugary glaze, he'd be a great airport screener. I shoulda named him Homer.

PETE'S BROTHER
11-24-2010, 01:43 PM
donut smugglers, beware!

FORD
11-24-2010, 01:46 PM
Donut sniffing dogs wouldn't be too useful in law enforcement though. After a week on the police force, they would be around so many donuts they would be completely desensitized to the smell.

sadaist
11-24-2010, 01:47 PM
What we are losing are basic freedoms - the right to privacy, the right to not be irradiated.



And that about sums it up perfectly right there. But it isn't just airport screenings. We are slowly losing freedoms everywhere.

lesfunk
11-24-2010, 06:57 PM
This is what's happening while we argue ala Rush Limbaugh vs. Al Franken. Diversionary tactics to keep us divided.

FORD
11-25-2010, 12:13 AM
And since comparisons to the Third Reich have already been made, what do you suppose the Germans themselves think of the Rape-iscan machines?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBfHMCiatK0&

Yeah, it's all in German, but there's English subtitles. Let's just say they tested the scanner's capabilities and the results are interesting......

Nitro Express
11-25-2010, 02:56 AM
This is what's happening while we argue ala Rush Limbaugh vs. Al Franken. Diversionary tactics to keep us divided.

Divide and conquer. We need to get past the whole Democrat and Republican thing. Too many people vote the party line and that's a huge mistake. Both parties are full of scum but not everyone in them is bad either. I say vote the best candidate regardless of party.

As far as the airport abuse goes, it started under Bush because he created the TSA but Obama is continuing the abuse. So many of these politicians don't give a dam about us.

Nitro Express
11-25-2010, 02:59 AM
Donut sniffing dogs wouldn't be too useful in law enforcement though. After a week on the police force, they would be around so many donuts they would be completely desensitized to the smell.

We used dogs at Hanford. Busted a lot of contractors for having drugs in their vehicles. You get a dog trained to look for something, they love it. It's a game to them.

sadaist
11-25-2010, 03:54 AM
I say vote the best candidate regardless of party.




I agree with that. But the problem is that candidate will go to Washington and just fall in lock, stock & barrel with his/her party leaders. So while the voting public ignored party lines, the politicians do not. Maybe we should abolish all parties and everyone is just Independent.

Nitro Express
11-25-2010, 04:05 AM
There's always been a certain level of political corruption but now it's rampant to the point where it's threatening our freedom and national security. In my opinion is the average American voter wasn't politically involved. All they cared about was quick money, looking cool, and being entertained. While Joe public was being distracted, the power brokers in Washington had a hey day and now it's come to a head to where Joe Public is feeling the pain and it's waking him up. People are now going what in the hell is going on? Two years ago they were asleep.

Seshmeister
11-25-2010, 11:50 AM
http://www.boingboing.net/2010/11/24/menstruating-woman-s.html




Menstruating woman subjected to TSA grope because panty-liner obscured her vulva on pornoscanner


Cory Doctorow at 11:49 PM Wednesday, Nov 24, 2010
A self-described "rule follower" went through an airport pornoscanner wearing a panty-liner (she was menstruating). Because the hygienic item obscured the screener's view of her vagina vulva, she was made to endure a humiliating fondling, "so invasive that I was left crying and dealing with memories that I thought had been dealt with years ago of prior sexual assaults."

'These new scans are so horrible that if you are wearing something unusual (like a piece of cloth on your panties) then you will be subjected to a search where a woman repeatedly has to check your "groin" while another woman watches on (two in my case - they were training in a new girl - awesome). So please, please, tell the ladies not to wear their liners at the airport (I didn't even have an insert in). I'm a strong, confident woman; I'm an Army vet (which is why those camo liners crack me up), I work full-time and go to graduate school full-time, I have a wonderful husband, and I don't take any nonsense from anyone. I don't dramatize, and I don't exaggerate. I'm trying to give you a sense of who I am so you won't think that this is a plea for attention, or a jumping on the bandwagon about the recent TSA proposed boycott. I just don't want another woman to have to go through the "patting down" because she didn't know that her glad-rag would be a matter of national security."

There are plenty of TSA apologists who say that objections to the TSA's invasive "pat-downs" are just whining from people don't want to go through the backscatter radiation machines -- we bring it on ourselves. But as we've seen, anything out of the ordinary -- wearing a fabric pad during menstruation, artificial limbs, medical prostheses, etc -- can send you off for a date with Doctor Jellyfinger, Junior G-Man extraordinaire.'


By declaring war on the unexpected, the TSA has set in motion a policy that makes the lives of cancer sufferers, disabled people, people who've had major surgery, and many others who're already having a hard time even harder.

Nitro Express
11-25-2010, 12:09 PM
If people continue to tolerate this shit, they are a bunch of pathetic wimps and deserve what they get. Bullies always prey on the weak.

Nickdfresh
11-25-2010, 10:01 PM
One of the most retarded things of all is that people are being singled out and groped because they have one-way tickets (it happened to me about four years ago).

So, I'm pretty sure the next terrorists are going to just fly round trip...

Nitro Express
11-26-2010, 12:56 AM
While the TSA is busy with their little show, the real terrorists will just drive across the open border like the narco cartel bandits do. If the government was really concerned about national security, they would take care of our border problems but it's not about security. It's about making money selling the government equipment and controlling the public using safety as the the excuse to do it. It's about money and power. Not security.

Seshmeister
11-26-2010, 09:59 AM
Over a third of a million Americans have been killed in road accidents since 9-11.

Maybe the TSA people should give everyone an internal examination before they get in a car.

FORD
11-27-2010, 04:32 PM
Several Lawmakers Invested in L-3 Communications, Maker of Airport Body-Scanning Machines
By Michael Beckel on November 23, 2010 6:05 PM


A handful of federal lawmakers are invested in one of the companies behind the controversial full-body scanning machines now in more than 60 U.S. airports. The individual investments are worth thousands, and in some cases tens or hundreds of thousands, of dollars.

According to a Center for Responsive Politics review of the most recent personal financial disclosure filings, eight members of Congress -- three Democrats and five Republicans -- owned at least $2,000 worth of stock in L-3 Communications, which is one of the two main contractors involved in the full-body scanning machines.

Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.) disclosed possessing the most stock in L-3 Communications -- with a minimum investment of at least $500,000 and a maximum value of $1 million. The L-3 Communications stock is fully owned by his wife, Teresa Heinz, according to federal financial disclosure reports.

Members of Congress file annual personal financial disclosures detailing their assets and liabilities, as well as those of their spouses and dependent children. These forms also allow lawmakers to describe the value of their holdings and debts in broad ranges, so it's impossible to know exactly how much the holdings of Kerry's family, or any other lawmaker's household, are worth.

Republican Reps. Michael Castle (R-Del.) and Michael McCaul (R-Texas) both disclosed possessing between $16,002 and $65,000 worth of L-3 Communications stock in 2009.

And Rep. Judy Biggert (R-Ill.) was the member of Congress with the next most valuable holdings in L-3 Communications, worth between $15,001 and $50,000.

Here is a table of all eight lawmakers whose 2009 personal financial disclosure forms, which were filed in May, noted holdings in L-3 Communications, along with the minimum and maximum value of these holdings, according to the Center's research.

Name Value
Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.) $500,001 to $1,000,000
Rep. Michael Castle (R-Del) $16,002 to $65,000
Rep. Michael McCaul (R-Texas) $16,002 to $65,000
Rep. Judy Biggert (R-Ill.) $15,001 to $50,000
Rep. Ron Klein (D-Fla.) $1,001 to $15,000
Rep. Robert Scott (D-Va.) $1,001 to $15,000
Sen. Jon Kyl (R-Ariz.) $2,173
Rep. Kenny Marchant (R-Texas) $2,086

The government's investment in full-body scanners has broadened since the "underwear bomber's" failed terrorism attempt last Christmas. Days later, L-3 Communications was awarded a $165 million contract for the machines, and another company, RapiScan, was also awarded a $173 million contract.

Both companies have seen significant jumps in their federal lobbying expenses since just a few years ago, and both are employing officials with well-heeled government connections, as OpenSecrets Blog previously reported.

For instance, RapiScan utilizes the services of Michael Chertoff, the secretary of Homeland Security under Republican President George W. Bush. And former Republican Sen. Alfonse D'Amato (R-N.Y.) and Linda Daschle, the wife of former Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle (D-S.D.), are both actively lobbying for L-3 Communications.

http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2010/11/several-federal-lawmakers-invested.html#

Fuck you Judas. You too, Daschle. And the other two as well. Never even heard of either one, but odds are they're worthless DLC'ers since neither Florida or Virginia seems capable of electing actual Democrats. I expect this kind of bullshit from Republicans. Not from those who claim to be on the side of the American people. :pullinghair::fufu:

FORD
11-29-2010, 02:30 PM
Police State USA: TSA Gestapo Empire

By Dr. Paul Craig Roberts

Global Research, November 23, 2010

It doesn’t take a bureaucrat long to create an empire. John Pistole, the FBI agent who took over the Transportation Security Administration on July 1 told USA Today 16 days later that protecting trains and subways from terrorist attacks will be as high a priority for him as air travel.

It is difficult to imagine New Yorkers being porno-screened and sexually groped on crowed subway platforms or showing up an hour or two in advance for clearance for a 15 minute subway ride, but once bureaucrats get the bit in their teeth they take absurdity to its logical conclusion. Buses will be next, although it is even more difficult to imagine open air bus stops turned into security zones with screeners and gropers inspecting passengers before they board.

Will taxi passengers be next? In those Muslim lands whose citizens the US government has been slaughtering for years, favorite weapons for retaliating against the Americans are car and truck bombs. How long before Pistole announces that the TSA Gestapo is setting up roadblocks on city streets, highways and interstates to check cars for bombs? That 15 minute trip to the grocery store then becomes an all day affair.

Indeed, it has already begun. Last September agents from Homeland Security, TSA, and the US Department of Transportation, assisted by the Douglas County Sheriff’s Office, conducted a counter-terrorism operation on busy Interstate 20 just west of Atlanta, Georgia. Designated VIPER (Visible Inter-mobile Prevention and Response), the operation required all trucks to stop to be screened for bombs. Federal agents used dogs, screening devices, and a large drive-through bomb detection machine. Imagine what the delays did to delivery schedules and truckers’ bottom lines.

There are also news reports of federal trucks equipped with backscatter X-ray devices that secretly scan cars and pedestrians.

With such expensive counter-terrorism activities, both in terms of the hard-pressed taxpayers’ money and civil liberties, one would think that bombs were going off all over America. But, of course, they aren’t. There has not been a successful terrorist act since 9/11, and thousands of independent experts doubt the government’s explanation of that event.

Subsequent domestic terrorist events have turned out to be FBI sting operations in which FBI agents organize not-so-bright disaffected members of society and lead them into displaying interest in participating in a terrorist act. Once the FBI agent, pretending to be a terrorist, succeeds in prompting all the right words to be said and captured on his hidden recorder, the “terrorists” are arrested and the “plot” exposed.

The very fact that the FBI has to orchestrate fake terrorism proves the absence of real terrorists.

If Americans were more thoughtful and less gullible, they might wonder why all the emphasis on transportation when there are so many soft targets. Shopping centers, for example. If there were enough terrorists in America to justify the existence of Homeland Security, bombs would be going off round the clock in shopping malls in every state. The effect would be far more terrifying than blowing up an airliner.

Indeed, if terrorists want to attack air travelers, they never need to board an airplane.

All they need to do is to join the throngs of passengers waiting to go through the TSA scanners and set off their bombs. The TSA has conveniently assembled the targets.

The final proof that there are no terrorists is that not a single neoconservative or government official responsible for the Bush regime’s invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan and the Obama regime’s slaughters of Pakistanis, Yemenis, and Somalians has been assassinated. None of these Americans who are responsible for lies, deceptions, and invasions that have destroyed the lives of countless numbers of Muslims have any security protection. If Muslims were capable of pulling off 9/11, they are certainly capable of assassinating Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Perle, Feith, Libby, Condi Rice, Kristol, Bolton, Goldberg, and scores of others during the same hour of the same day.

I am not advocating that terrorists assassinate anyone. I am just making the point that if the US was as overrun with terrorists as empire-building bureaucrats pretend, we would definitely be experiencing dramatic terrorist acts. The argument is not believable that a government that was incapable of preventing 9/11 is so all-knowing that it can prevent assassination of unprotected neocons and shopping malls from being bombed.

If Al Qaeda was anything like the organization that the US government claims, it would not be focused on trivial targets such as passenger airliners. The organization, if it exists, would be focused on its real enemies. Try to imagine the propaganda value of terrorists wiping out the neoconservatives in one fell swoop, followed by an announcement that every member of the federal government down to the lowest GS, every member of the House and Senate, and every governor was next in line to be bumped off.

This would be real terrorism instead of the make-belief stuff associated with shoe bombs that don’t work, underwear bombs that independent experts say could not work, and bottled water and shampoo bombs that experts say cannot possibly be put together in airliner lavatories.

Think about it. Would a terror organization capable of outwitting all 16 US intelligence agencies, all intelligence agencies of US allies including Israel’s Mossad, the National Security Council, NORAD, air traffic control, the Pentagon, and airport security four times in one hour put its unrivaled prestige at risk with improbable shoe bombs, shampoo bombs, and underwear bombs?

After success in destroying the World Trade Center and blowing up part of the Pentagon, it is an extraordinary comedown to go after a mere airliner. Would a person who gains fame by knocking out the world heavyweight boxing champion make himself a laughing stock by taking lunch money from school boys?

TSA is a far greater threat to Americans than are terrorists. Pistole has given the finger to US senators and representatives, state legislators, and the traveling public who have expressed their views that virtual strip searches and sexual molestation are too high a price to pay for “security.” Indeed, the TSA with its Gestapo attitude and methods, is succeeding in making Americans more terrified of the TSA than they are of terrorists.

Make up your own mind. What terrifies you the most. Terrorists, who in all likelihood you will never encounter in your lifetime, or the TSA that you will encounter every time you fly and soon, according to Pistole, every time you take a train, a subway, or drive in a car or truck?

Before making up your mind, consider this report from antiwar.com on November 19: “TSA officials say that anyone refusing both the full body scanners and the enhanced pat down procedures will be taken into custody. Once there the detainees will not only be barred from flying, but will be held indefinitely as suspected terrorists . . . One sheriff’s office said they were already preparing to handle a large number of detainees and plan to treat them as terror suspects.”

Who is cowing Americans into submission, terrorists or the TSA Gestapo?

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=22047

BigBadBrian
11-30-2010, 08:05 AM
Police State USA: TSA Gestapo Empire

By Dr. Paul Craig Roberts

Global Research, November 23, 2010
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FORD, that's not a half-bad op-ed you posted. I agree with about 95% of it.

ELVIS
11-30-2010, 08:37 AM
TSA is a far greater threat to Americans than are terrorists.

Make up your own mind. What terrifies you the most. Terrorists, who in all likelihood you will never encounter in your lifetime, or the TSA that you will encounter every time you fly and soon, according to Pistole, every time you take a train, a subway, or drive in a car or truck?

Before making up your mind, consider this report from antiwar.com on November 19: TSA officials say that anyone refusing both the full body scanners and the enhanced pat down procedures will be taken into custody. Once there the detainees will not only be barred from flying, but will be held indefinitely as suspected terrorists . . .

Who is cowing Americans into submission, terrorists or the TSA Gestapo?



I'll take my chances with terrorism, thankyaverymuch...


Excellent excellent article!


:elvis:

sadaist
11-30-2010, 08:48 AM
Everyone in the Obama Administration is fucking loony. It's ok to photograph & run your hands on peoples genitals & breasts...but AZ police aren't allowed to ask for some beaners ID card.

Seshmeister
11-30-2010, 09:24 AM
The article is almost correct except that it makes the faulty logical leap that because there have been no Al-Qaeda attacks in the US since 9-11 then 9-11 wasn't an attack by Al-Qaeda.

As usual people confuse the loose Al-Qaeda idea with a James Bond villain style organisation working out of a hollowed out volcano. It's been 9 years can we move on from that?

In case no one noticed 9-11 was a suicide attack...

Seshmeister
11-30-2010, 09:30 AM
After a bit more reading it's a real stopped clock being correct twice a day article because the guy that wrote it is an idiot supporter of complete fucking idiots. :)

ELVIS
11-30-2010, 11:48 AM
So, I guess that means it's hogwash...

Nitro Express
11-30-2010, 12:01 PM
If Obama was smart he would step in and do something about the TSA because too many conservatives and liberals hate what's going on. Politicians can play one side off the other but when both sides hate it, you better get on with doing some thing about it or pay the next election.

Nitro Express
11-30-2010, 12:03 PM
Everyone in the Obama Administration is fucking loony. It's ok to photograph & run your hands on peoples genitals & breasts...but AZ police aren't allowed to ask for some beaners ID card.

It's obvious they don't give a ratt's ass about real security. It's obvious they are power hungry, abusive nut bags.

Seshmeister
11-30-2010, 12:04 PM
So, I guess that means it's hogwash...



No just this bit.




With such expensive counter-terrorism activities, both in terms of the hard-pressed taxpayers’ money and civil liberties, one would think that bombs were going off all over America. But, of course, they aren’t. There has not been a successful terrorist act since 9/11, and thousands of independent experts doubt the government’s explanation of that event.

Nitro Express
11-30-2010, 12:05 PM
My brother in law works for L3 Communications. He's rolling in the dough and has no idea we are in an economic decline. His job is secure and he just got a raise.

Seshmeister
11-30-2010, 12:14 PM
It's obvious they don't give a ratt's ass about real security. It's obvious they are power hungry, abusive nut bags.

It's also about fear.

There are a lot of people who get promoted to one job higher than they can do. You meet these people all the time in government and they are usually shitting themselves about losing their jobs because on a level deep down they know they aren't good enough and they have bills to pay like the rest of us.

Because they are shitting themselves, these people are terrified about being the person who the blame comes down on for anything. They picture themselves being interviewed

'So you gave a directive that children should not be patted down?'
'Well..yes...but'
'So do you accept that you are the one responsible for the bomb that went off today when a device was set off strapped to a child'
'But..but..'

A lot of what people seem to think is Obama, or clever government trying to destroy your lives is just scared middle aged officials clinging on for retirement.

What you can do is try and keep rights through legislation or the constitution but don't expect them through procedures because the frightened bureaucrat will stretch them to the limit. As will the cop trying to up his conviction figures.

ELVIS
11-30-2010, 12:18 PM
Here's my first question...

Why exactly are airports being made hyper-secure ??

ELVIS
11-30-2010, 12:21 PM
It's also about fear.

There are a lot of people who get promoted to one job higher than they can do. You meet these people all the time in government and they are usually shitting themselves about losing their jobs because on a level deep down they know they aren't good enough and they have bills to pay like the rest of us.

Because they are shitting themselves, these people are terrified about being the person who the blame comes down on for anything. They picture themselves being interviewed

'So you gave a directive that children should not be patted down?'
'Well..yes...but'
'So do you accept that you are the one responsible for the bomb that went off today when a device was set off strapped to a child'
'But..but..'

A lot of what people seem to think is Obama, or clever government trying to destroy your lives is just scared middle aged officials clinging on for retirement.

What you can do is try and keep rights through legislation or the constitution but don't expect them through procedures because the frightened bureaucrat will stretch them to the limit. As will the cop trying to up his conviction figures.

Yeah, and everything you said is all the more reason to rethink this whole security charade...

Seshmeister
11-30-2010, 12:28 PM
Here's my first question...

Why exactly are airports being made hyper-secure ??

Because governments are always reactive rather than proactive.

As I've said before, all a would be terrorist needs to do is try to get on a plane with a stick of dynamite up his ass and it's internal exams for all of us...

Jagermeister
11-30-2010, 12:35 PM
Here's my first question...

Why exactly are airports being made hyper-secure ??

They don't. Just another example of the government shoveing something down your throat whether you like it or not.

ELVIS
11-30-2010, 12:47 PM
Because governments are always reactive rather than proactive.

As I've said before, all a would be terrorist needs to do is try to get on a plane with a stick of dynamite up his ass and it's internal exams for all of us...

So where shall we draw the line ??

Is airplane security somehow making the world a safer place ??

Seshmeister
11-30-2010, 01:32 PM
Not at all. It's just security theatre.

It's purpose if there is one is to make people feel better and that things are under control.

Kind of like religion. :)

Blaze
11-30-2010, 02:22 PM
I say Skirts and Kilts with no underpants are the way to go!
Groin group, please. Thank you.
May I have seconds? ;)

PETE'S BROTHER
11-30-2010, 02:27 PM
I say Skirts and Kilts with no underpants are the way to go!


words to live by.......

now go buy a sack of FFRAJ !!!!!! STAT!!!!!

Blaze
11-30-2010, 02:34 PM
Ffraj ???

PETE'S BROTHER
11-30-2010, 02:37 PM
Ffraj ???

http://www.rotharmy.com/forums/showthread.php?61005-Beef-Jerky&p=1505089&viewfull=1#post1505089

PETE'S BROTHER
11-30-2010, 02:38 PM
fuck, i guess it is ffrabj :baaa:

PETE'S BROTHER
11-30-2010, 02:38 PM
everything is better with "bj" in it....

Blaze
11-30-2010, 02:50 PM
Ahh yes.. the Fan Fried! So grand it is.

For the sake of expedient home land security, personal probing devices should be carried.
Being throughly checked is an important part of daily flight. ;)

PETE'S BROTHER
11-30-2010, 02:57 PM
For the sake of expedient home land security, personal probing devices should be carried.
)

hop on, blaze :baaa: http://shine.yahoo.com/channel/sex/5-household-items-that-double-as-sex-toys-2413674/;_ylt=AssSOWiD9Jeq19CXwj1ieOGBbqU5

jhale667
12-01-2010, 06:16 PM
Man arrested after ejaculating during TSA pat-down :eek:

http://www.deadseriousnews.com/?p=573

A 47 year old gay man was arrested at San Francisco International Airport after ejaculating while being patted down by a male TSA agent. Percy Cummings, an interior designer from San Francisco, is being held without bail after the alleged incident, charged with sexually assaulting a Federal agent.

According to Cummings’ partner, Sergio Armani, Cummings has “multiple piercings on his manhood” which were detected during a full body scan. As a result, Cummings was pulled aside for a pat-down. Armani stated that the unidentified TSA agent spent “an inordinate amount of time groping” Cummings, who had apparently become sexually aroused. Cummings, who has a history of sexual dysfunction, ejaculated while the TSA agent’s hand was feeling the piercings. The TSA agent, according to several witnesses, promptly called for back up. Cummings was thrown to the ground and handcuffed.

A TSA spokesperson declined to comment on this specific case, but said that anyone ejaculating during a pat-down would be subject to arrest.

Think the TSA is about to object loudly to the freeze on Federal employee pay raises very shortly...:biggrin:

Seshmeister
12-02-2010, 07:13 AM
www.dougstanhope.com




Picture this, Dear Reader -

You are traveling through airport security for the holidays with your 5 year-old when all of a sudden you are told that your kid needs to go through the new TSA body-scanner which will subject him to allegedly "low doses" of radiation which will allow a complete stranger to view his or her naked body privately - or if you refuse will allow a complete stranger to do a full body pat-down including breasts and genitals?

Which do you choose?

What thought is more disturbing?

Some Job Corps airport chump watching the x-ray images, getting a weeping erection staring at the images of your naked youngster? The idea that over a course of time these screenings could make your child look like a bullfrog with his new neck cancer? Or simply settle for the out-right humiliation of watching him be molested right in front of you while the other TSA goons shove you in the chest and direct you where to stand?

I can't believe this shit is going on right in front of my eyes, every fucking week I'm on the road. I can't believe that people sit there and take it.

Personally, I don't care if someone sees me naked - I've forced the image on more than should have had to see it. Nor do I give a fuck about radiation. I smoke enough that folks in Chernobyl would ask me to take it outside.

I don't even mind subjugating some dunce in a uniform to get down on his knees and pat at my asshole and sweating bag while pretending to control my libido.

I care that so many people don't care that it doesn't matter if I care or not. But that shit is turning around, at least for the moment. Ever since TSA has started the full-naked body scans with your choice of full body/genital pat-down, the public seems to show that it still has a nerve that can be struck. Some empty-chested filth at the airport with rubber gloves grappling between your grandmother's tits and colostomy bag made the idea of the lottery-odds of an underpants bomber seem insufficient to justify.

The "Let's roll" guy on 9/11 - fictional or not - would have a hard time choosing between watching his crying child look helplessly at him during a rough groping from some low-rung government flunkie or to just man-up and go down with the plane.

There are a million organizations now calling for people to opt-out of the body scanner and force TSA to either do pat-downs or allow them to go thru regular metal detectors or to not fly at all.

Opting out is one way to go. First of all, the number of people who would decide to not fly would be minimal and actually beneficial for TSA because there would be less of an evident problem. The scanners themselves are adding so much useless time to flying that throwing lengthy security rub-n-tugs on top of that would cripple air travel and be far more effective.

But don't just opt out for the holidays. Opt out every time you have the option. Opt out with a smile and a leer and groan when they slide over your sensitive parts.

Your other option is to play the part of the willing maroon who is happy to go through the scanner but can't get it right. This form of protest could be far more effective since it can prove the machinery itself to be too difficult to be useful. The body scanner requires far more nonsense to get through than normal metal detectors. Every single piece of metal has to be removed from rings to belts to random coins in your pocket. The thing will detect mercury in your stool from last night's sushi.

So all you need to do is dress the part of the turtle-necked first-time-flier with a dullard's grin and happily get into the scanner with as much metal paraphernalia on your person as possible. They will scan you and then chastise you for still having metal. Apologize earnestly, go back, remove SOME of the metal and try again. Keep Aw-shucksing, apologizing and fucking it up so that in the meantime they will divert the rest of the people through the regular security.

If people start missing their flights because of a handful of idiots, pressure will come down like a hammer from airlines and passengers alike.

Either way, remember - and remember this clearly - that to quietly accept the current TSA rules without protest is exactly the same as saying "It's perfectly okay with me for the government to ogle or fondle my child's sexual organs as well as rape my grandmother."

Exactly the same.

Now get to the airport early with a bleeding erection in thin white pants and show them how much you mean it when you scream "Freedom!"