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Hardrock69
12-01-2010, 10:19 AM
Most likely has to do with the actual discovery of oxygen on one of Saturn's moons....the first time oxgen has been discovered first hand by scientific observation on another body in our universe besides Earth.

http://esciencenews.com/articles/2010/11/29/cassini.reveals.oxygen.atmosphere.saturns.moon.rhe a


Cassini reveals oxygen atmosphere of Saturn's moon Rhea
Published: Monday, November 29, 2010 - 09:31 in Astronomy & Space

A tenuous atmosphere infused with oxygen and carbon-dioxide has been discovered at Saturn's moon Rhea by the Cassini-Huygens mission, the first time a spacecraft has captured direct evidence of an oxygen atmosphere at a world other than Earth. The NASA-led international mission made the discovery using combined data from Cassini's instruments, which includes a sensor designed and built at UCL's (University College London) Mullard Space Science Laboratory.

Published today in Science Express, results from the mission reveal that the atmosphere of Rhea, Saturn's second largest moon at 1500 km wide, is extremely thin and is sustained by high energy particles bombarding its icy surface and kicking up atoms, molecules and ions into the atmosphere.

The density of oxygen is probably about 5 trillion times less dense than in Earth's atmosphere. However, the formation of oxygen and carbon dioxide could possibly drive complex chemistry on the surfaces of many icy bodies in the universe.

"The new results suggest that active, complex chemistry involving oxygen may be quite common throughout the solar system and even our universe," said Dr Ben Teolis, a Cassini team scientist based at Southwest Research Institute in San Antonio and lead author. "Such chemistry could be a pre-requisite for life. All evidence from Cassini indicates Rhea is too cold and devoid of the liquid water necessary for life as we know it."

Dr Geraint Jones, from the UCL Mullard Space Science Laboratory and a co-author of the paper said: "The discovery of this tenuous atmosphere provides key information on how radiation can drive chemistry on icy surfaces throughout the universe."

Rhea's tenuous atmosphere makes it unique in the Saturn system. Titan has a very thick nitrogen-methane atmosphere, with very little carbon dioxide and oxygen.

UCL's Mullard Space Science Laboratory, supported by the Science and Technology Facilities Council, led the design and building of the electron spectrometer of the Cassini plasma spectrometer (CAPS), which detected negative ions streaming off Rhea's surface in 2005. Another part of CAPS detected positive ions on the opposite side of Rhea in 2005 and 2007. Completing the picture of Rhea's atmosphere, Cassini's ion and neutral mass spectrometer detected neutral particles when Cassini swept within 100 km of the moon's surface in March 2010.

Professor Andrew Coates, also from the UCL Mullard Space Science Laboratory and co-author of the paper, said: "Our instrument turns out to be a fabulous detector of negative ions as well as electrons. We've already found negative ions are important at Titan and Enceladus – and now, tracing back the trajectory of these ions really pinpoints the source of the atmosphere near Rhea's surface."

The ion and neutral mass spectrometer "tasted" peak densities of oxygen of around 50 billion molecules per cubic meter (1 billion molecules per cubic foot). It detected peak densities of carbon dioxide around 20 billion molecules per cubic meter (about 600 million molecules per cubic foot). The plasma spectrometer also saw clear signatures of flowing streams of positive and negative ions, with masses that corresponded to ions of oxygen and carbon dioxide.

"Rhea's oxygen appears to come from water ice on Rhea's surface when Saturn's magnetic field rotates over the moon and showers it with energetic particles trapped in the magnetic field," said Professor Coates.

The carbon dioxide may be the result of "dry ice" trapped from the primordial solar nebula, similar to the case of comets, or it may be due to similar irradiation processes operating on the organic molecules trapped in the water ice of Rhea. The carbon dioxide could also come from carbon-rich materials deposited by tiny meteors that bombarded Rhea's surface.

The finding is consistent with earlier Cassini results that show Rhea to be a particularly dark-looking moon, sporting some carbon-based coating on its surface.






http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2010/nov/HQ_M10-167_Astrobiology.html



Dwayne Brown
Headquarters, Washington
202-358-1726
dwayne.c.brown@nasa.gov

Cathy Weselby
Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, Calif.
650-604-2791
cathy.weselby@nasa.gov
Nov. 29, 2010

MEDIA ADVISORY : M10-167


NASA Sets News Conference on Astrobiology Discovery; Science Journal Has Embargoed Details Until 2 p.m. EST On Dec. 2


WASHINGTON -- NASA will hold a news conference at 2 p.m. EST on Thursday, Dec. 2, to discuss an astrobiology finding that will impact the search for evidence of extraterrestrial life. Astrobiology is the study of the origin, evolution, distribution and future of life in the universe.

The news conference will be held at the NASA Headquarters auditorium at 300 E St. SW, in Washington. It will be broadcast live on NASA Television and streamed on the agency's website at http://www.nasa.gov.

Participants are:
- Mary Voytek, director, Astrobiology Program, NASA Headquarters, Washington
- Felisa Wolfe-Simon, NASA astrobiology research fellow, U.S. Geological Survey, Menlo Park, Calif.
- Pamela Conrad, astrobiologist, NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center, Greenbelt, Md.
- Steven Benner, distinguished fellow, Foundation for Applied Molecular Evolution, Gainesville, Fla.
- James Elser, professor, Arizona State University, Tempe

Media representatives may attend the conference or ask questions by phone or from participating NASA locations. To obtain dial-in information, journalists must send their name, affiliation and telephone number to Steve Cole at stephen.e.cole@nasa.gov or call 202-358-0918 by noon Dec. 2.

For NASA TV streaming video and downlink information, visit:

http://www.nasa.gov/ntv


For more information about NASA astrobiology activities, visit:

http://astrobiology.nasa.gov

SunisinuS
12-01-2010, 11:56 PM
There is no intelligent life in the Universe. :ashamed:

Hardrock69
12-02-2010, 08:50 AM
Certainly not here anyway.

Hardrock69
12-03-2010, 04:02 AM
No big thing. A minor advancement in our knowledge of 'life as we know it'.

This could be titled "Alien Life Discovered In California":

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ac/20101202/sc_ac/7325556_nasa_reveals_astrobiology_finding_in_press _conference


A NASA astrobiology team, this afternoon, released the details of the breakthrough astrobiology finding in a press conference broadcast over the web on NASA TV. The NASA press conference was first cryptically announced on Monday, saying only that the announcement related to the field of astrobiology and would affect the search for extraterrestrial life.. A team of NASA astrobiologists have discovered a novel form of life that is able to use arsenic in place of phosphorus in its chemical building blocks. In other words, the astrobiologists say, the DNA of this newly discovered organism is completely foreign, or alien, if you will, to every other living thing on Earth, despite the fact that it was discovered in Mono Lake in California.


Alien Life Discovered in California

While, on the one hand, it might be expected that if alien life-forms were to be found on Earth, it would happen in California, Mono Lake represents one of the most toxic environments on Earth. It contains a very high, natural concentration of arsenic, normally a deadly poison. The finding demonstrates that life can not only survive, but thrive in environments which we previously thought to be far too harsh. Mono Lake, said Dr. Wolfe-Simon, has a pH of 10, a very harsh environment, similar to bleach and is three times more salty than the ocean.

Iron Lisa Predicted Arsenic-based Life Discovery

The discovery validates previous work by Felisa (Iron Lisa) Wolfe-Simon, Paul C.W. Davies, and Ariel D. Anbar as originally published in the International Journal of Astrobiology. Indeed, the abstract of the piece Did Nature Also Choose Arsenic? predicts this discovery exactly: "We hypothesize that ancient biochemical systems, analogous to but distinct from those known today, could have utilized arsenate in the equivalent biological role as phosphate. Organisms utilizing such 'weird life' biochemical pathways may have supported a 'shadow biosphere' at the time of the origin and early evolution of life on Earth or on other planets. Such organisms may even persist on Earth today, undetected, in unusual niches."

Astrobiology More than the Study of Extraterrestrials

Astrobiology is more than just the study of extraterrestrials. It encompasses a search for the origins of life, and even all possible origins of life. It explores the early evolution of living organisms and extends out to future evolution as well. Read more about the nature of astrobiology here. Astrobiology includes examining the basic chemistry of life. Until this discovery, life was only known to be built from the elements: hydrogen, carbon, oxygen, nitrogen, sulfur and phosphorus. These chemicals made up the basic DNA and proteins that make up living organisms. In this arsenic-based life form, arsenic is substituted for phosphorus. Although arsenic has some similarities to phosphorus, Wolfe-Simon's work suggests, it is a function of that similarity that makes it so toxic. The panel suggested that the finding of life that uses arsenic in place of phosphorus to grow is such a major paradigm shift that it would require the rewriting of every biology text in use today.

What Does Arsenic Life Mean in the Search for ET?

While the new discovery of arsenic-based life on Earth is an important discovery in its own right, it has profound implications for the search for life elsewhere. First, it expands the possible sources of extraterrestrial life to planets that include arsenic, but very little phosphorus in their predominant chemical signatures. Furthermore, it demonstrates that there is more than one chemical solution to the problem of life.

Arsenic Provides New Places to Look for Alien Life

While we are no closer to actually finding alien life from somewhere other than Earth than we were before this discovery, at least the discovery of the NASA astrobiology team gives us more places to look for it and more confidence that life can find a way.

NASA Astrobiology Team Members Participating in Press Conference
- Mary Voytek, director, Astrobiology Program, NASA Headquarters, Washington
- Felisa Wolfe-Simon, NASA astrobiology research fellow, U.S. Geological Survey, Menlo Park, Calif.
- Pamela Conrad, astrobiologist, NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center, Greenbelt, Md.
- Steven Benner, distinguished fellow, Foundation for Applied Molecular Evolution, Gainesville, Fla.
- James Elser, professor, Arizona State University, Tempe

Nitro Express
12-03-2010, 12:09 PM
There is no intelligent life in the Universe. :ashamed:

I think I'm an alien having a night mare about humans and I haven't woken up yet.

Nitro Express
12-03-2010, 12:15 PM
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Bubba and his snowman are a joke. The Aryan Nations are bumbling amaures. They insult Hitler. They couldn't pull off his level of professionalism and order. Look at the real Nazis and tell me the current bumbling fools who claim to be Nazis could fill the mold? Fucking dorks. They aren't worthy of the swastika.

Nitro Express
12-03-2010, 12:23 PM
The worst insult you could tell the guy is he is an unprofessional wannabe and is not worthy of the swastika. That would be a huge insult to him. He would not be expecting it. He put that snowman up to ruffle feathers. He wants people to be upset. If everyone ignored him he would not know what to do and what would really piss him off is sending him nice christmas cards and carolers to his door and giving him candy. I would piss him off to no end. People getting upset is what he's looking for. People don't get it.

ZahZoo
12-05-2010, 11:06 AM
Why the flappo bait in a science thread?

Anonymous
12-05-2010, 11:43 AM
Fuuuuck...

That's what you get for making multiple posts instead of paragraphs, kids.

You even get to post two wrong posts in the same thread.

One, ok, it happens. Two? Ridiculous.

Nitro, you know that little button called "Enter"? It's used to make paragraphs, like the ones I'm using here. That's how you make 'em, instead of clicking "post reply".

You're welcome.

Cheers! :bottle:

Nitro Express
12-05-2010, 01:42 PM
I'm trying to make the point they found snowmen and Nazis on other planets. Because I post multiple times I'm trying to drive this point home. Next time I'm going to use all CAPS to be even more annoying!:biggrin:

hankster
12-05-2010, 04:17 PM
And while all of this was going on, Ozzy's new song "Scream if you want it" Got a grammy nod. lol :-)