Nigeria agency says to charge Dick Cheney over Halliburton

[Blaze]

It may seem odd to one’s ears hearing that Nigeria is planning corruption charges against Dick Chaney.

In all actually, it is not.
Some of you here partake in the tricking of the tricksters, as I call it. I do not partake in that; I say, “Fighting fraud with fraud only leads to more fraud.” I can understand in desperation with no means of law enforcement protection; needful though misguided ways, take on an creativity.

I take part in a grassroots effort to assist some of the most challenged areas of the world to address corruption and fraud. Naturally, one of those areas is Nigeria.

Dealing with corruption and fraud in Nigeria is a huge challenge. In the 1980’s, or there about, there was a misguided alliance, whom is not exactly clear, that lobbied to the people that fraud was a means to an end, that end being ultimately being justice.

Predatory conglomerates ravaged Nigeria, economically, socially, and environmentally. There was little regulation in Nigeria and rich resources. Moreover, Nigeria was a naïve-inexperienced-green-raw state of the likes that is more difficult to find in today’s informational situation.

Please watch http://www.poisonfire.org/

A state of corruption was born. To an extent, it does go back father than the recent generation. Nevertheless, I am not writing this to give an historical account of Nigeria or that region of Africa, nor am I inclined to detail Colonial misdeeds. Nor I am inclined to point out the abandonment of Nigeria by the regionally established governments of that era.

Today, the grassroots efforts to assist communities fraught with fraud are addressed in a more ethical way. Tools, expertise, and good old fashion open conversations, tête-à-têtes, and brainstorming sessions are the norms. The goal is to find, encourage, and enable persons that are able to endure the type of challenges that come from exposing corruption and fraud, which are often have a history generations long. This is no easy task. Moreover, addressing corruption is just as daunting for those that have the passion.

A couple years ago a conversation was had. The exchange was

“Look what ‘they’ have done to us! We are justified.”

“No, you have brought shame and disrepute to your homeland”

“What can be done?”

“You hold them accountable. “

The conversation went on over a couple months. Sometimes encouragement was the topic, other times practical knowledge was the topic.

A lot of work has gone into being able even to think of such a grand task as a Cheney Collar. I would like to say, “Congratulations, my friends in Nigeria, you have won.”, but this is not a truthful statement. Addressing corruption is a tough, never-ending job. However, if this charge comes through, and God willing it does, it is documentation for the world court, a brick for Nigeria’s EFFC humble adobe. In addition, a list of more places Cheney needs not be hapless in his travels.

We should all be pleased about Nigeria’s humble triumph.

One thing is for certain, Nigeria was not on the top list of diplopic (sic) influence by diplomats.

N R may the Angels brush your path and only the best of Jinn be your friend. Take care.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-11902489

Nigeria's anti-corruption agency is to charge former US Vice-President Dick Cheney over a bribery scandal that involves a former subsidiary of energy firm Halliburton.
The case centers on engineering firm KBR, which admitted bribing officials.
A lawyer for Mr. Cheney said allegations he was involved in the scandal were "entirely baseless".

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/us_nigeria_halliburton
By Nick Tattersall – Thu Dec 2, 9:42 am ET

LAGOS (Reuters) – Nigeria's anti-corruption police said on Thursday they planned to file charges against former Vice President Dick Cheney in a $180 million bribery case involving a former unit of oil services firm Halliburton.

The Economic and Financial Crimes Commission (EFCC) on Tuesday summoned the country chief of Halliburton and last week detained 10 Nigerian and expatriate Halliburton staff for questioning after raiding its Lagos office.

"We are filing charges against Cheney," EFCC spokesman Femi Babafemi told Reuters, but declined to give any further details on what the charges were, or where they would be filed.
Houston-based engineering firm KBR, a former Halliburton unit, pleaded guilty last year to U.S. charges that it paid $180 million in bribes between 1994 and 2004 to Nigerian officials to secure $6 billion in contracts for the Bonny Island liquefied natural gas (LNG) project in the Niger Delta.
KBR and Halliburton, which was once headed by Cheney, reached a $579 million settlement in the United States but Nigeria, France and Switzerland have conducted their own investigations into the case.

[Nitro Express]

Interpol can pick up Bush and Rumsfeld as well.

[Hardrock69]

HA!

The EFCC cannot even pick up the lowliest 419 yahoo-boi working in the netcafes of Festac.

What makes them think they will stand a chance of actually pursuing a case against Dickless Cheney?

Here is the full article:


Nigeria's anti-corruption agency is to charge former US Vice-President Dick Cheney over a bribery scandal that involves a former subsidiary of energy firm Halliburton.

The case centres on engineering firm KBR, which admitted bribing officials.

A lawyer for Mr Cheney said allegations he was involved in the scandal were "entirely baseless".

Mr Cheney was Halliburton's chief executive before becoming vice-president to George W Bush in 2001.

A spokesman for the anti-corruption agency, Femi Babafemi, said the charges were likely to be brought against Mr Cheney next week.

Mr Babafemi said the charges were "not unconnected to his role as the chief executive of Halliburton".

KBR last year pleaded guilty to paying $180m (£115m) in bribes to Nigerian officials prior to 2007, when it was a subsidiary of Halliburton. The firm agreed to pay $579m (£372m) in fines related to the case in the US.

But Nigeria, along with France and Switzerland, has conducted its own investigations into the case.

Mr Cheney's lawyer, Terence O'Donnell, said US investigators had "found no suggestion of any impropriety by Dick Cheney in his role of CEO of Halliburton".

"Any suggestion of misconduct on his part, made now, years later, is entirely baseless," Mr O'Donnell said.

Office raid
The bribes concerned the construction of a liquefied natural gas (LNG) plant in southern Nigeria.

KBR and Halliburton have now split, and Halliburton says it is not connected with the case against KBR.

Halliburton denies involvement in the allegations.

It has complained that a raid on its office last week by Economic and Financial Crimes Commission officials was "an affront against justice".

Ten people were detained for questioning and later released.

A prosecutor quoted by the Agence France-Presse news agency said those charged would include former and current leaders of Halliburton and officials from firms in a consortium involved in the LNG plant.

Nigeria is a member of the oil cartel Opec and is one of the world's biggest oil exporters.

[Blaze]

HA!

The EFCC cannot even pick up the lowliest 419 yahoo-boi working in the netcafes of Festac.

What makes them think they will stand a chance of actually pursuing a case against Dickless Cheney?

Here is the full article:
Correction: Here is one of the full articles.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/us_nigeria_halliburton


By Nick Tattersall – Thu Dec 2, 9:42 am ET
LAGOS (Reuters) – Nigeria's anti-corruption police said on Thursday they planned to file charges against former Vice President Dick Cheney in a $180 million bribery case involving a former unit of oil services firm Halliburton.
The Economic and Financial Crimes Commission (EFCC) on Tuesday summoned the country chief of Halliburton and last week detained 10 Nigerian and expatriate Halliburton staff for questioning after raiding its Lagos office.
"We are filing charges against Cheney," EFCC spokesman Femi Babafemi told Reuters, but declined to give any further details on what the charges were, or where they would be filed.
Houston-based engineering firm KBR, a former Halliburton unit, pleaded guilty last year to U.S. charges that it paid $180 million in bribes between 1994 and 2004 to Nigerian officials to secure $6 billion in contracts for the Bonny Island liquefied natural gas (LNG) project in the Niger Delta.
KBR and Halliburton, which was once headed by Cheney, reached a $579 million settlement in the United States but Nigeria, France and Switzerland have conducted their own investigations into the case.
Halliburton split from KBR in 2007 and has said that its current operations in Nigeria are unrelated.
It has described last week's EFCC raid as "an affront against justice," said its offices were ransacked and personnel assaulted, and pledged to defend its staff against what it said were "completely false and outrageous actions."
"As indicated in previous legal activity in the United States, one of the participants in the (Bonny Island) project was a subsidiary of Halliburton Company for part of that period of time," it said in a statement last week.
"The Halliburton oil field services operations in Nigeria have never in any way been any part of the LNG project and none of the Halliburton employees have ever had any connection to or participation in that project," it said.
POLITICAL CONNECTIONS
Halliburton said last year it had "reason to believe" payments may have been made to Nigerian officials by agents of its TSKJ consortium, which built the Bonny Island facility.
Albert "Jack" Stanley, a former KBR chief executive officer who had worked under Cheney when he headed Halliburton, pleaded guilty in 2008 to charges stemming from a scheme to bribe Nigerian officials for work on the Bonny Island plant.
As well as KBR, the TSKJ consortium also included France's Technip SA, Italy's Snamprogetti -- a unit of Italian oilfield services company Saipem, whose parent company is Eni -- and Japan's JGC Corp.
One senior employee each from Saipem Contracting Nigeria Ltd and Technip Offshore Nigeria Ltd were also questioned by the EFCC along with the 10 Halliburton staff after last week's raid.
Babafemi declined to say whether any of those executives would have charges brought against them.
Nigeria will hold presidential elections in April. Incumbent Goodluck Jonathan faces a challenge for the ruling party nomination from former vice president Atiku Abubakar, who was in office between 1999 and 2007.
Some analysts have suggested the sudden revival of interest in the Halliburton case is no coincidence.
Abubakar's opponents have in the past tried to link him to the case, allegations he has dismissed as a smear campaign.
He was quoted in September as saying there was no evidence against him and that nobody in the United States or elsewhere had sought to question him on the matter.
"This is just the work of political opponents who will stop at nothing in order to destroy your political career," he said.
(Editing by Giles Elgood)

[Seshmeister]

Too corrupt for even for Nigeria.

Cheney really is a world class scumbag.

[Nitro Express]

Too corrupt for even for Nigeria.

Cheney really is a world class scumbag.

He doesn't even have a real heart. The dude is like Darth Vader. He would be boiling in Satan's kettle if technology and plastic didn't keep him alive.

[Nitro Express]

Too corrupt for even for Nigeria.

Cheney really is a world class scumbag.

Yeah if the Nigerians think you are bad, you are one bad motherfucker.

[Nitro Express]

They have been trying to arrest Henry Kissinger for years and he slips away. Local officials in Ireland tried to arrest Kissinger last year when he showed up for a Trilateral Commission Meeting and high officials in the Irish government stepped in a saved his ass.

These guys are too connected to the big international banks who own the central banks of various nations.

They control most the politicians and are so powerful the US Congress can't even get an audit on the Federal Reserve so that makes these banks more powerful than the elected government.

If we can get these banks under elected control then we can turn the tide.

I feel bad for Ireland because their central bank has sold them out to the International Monitary Fund and World bank which basically are holding companies and offshore banks are aquiring their local banks. So the Irish better get ready to get fleeced and see all their money and resources go to fat bankers offshore. All this is done in the name of settling debt created by the banks themselves so it's createing a ponzi scheme in then stealing real assets and controlling people. All nations have to do to avoid this is seize the central banks, audit them, and put them under the control of the treasury department. Then arrest guys like Chenney that are obviously involved with these banks, their wars, and scams.

It's all one big ponzi scheme and it's breaking nations and ruining their sovergnty. Most of the politicians are bought and paid for but these idiots fail to realize if the banks can screw the little guy, they can turn on politicians as well. You print money out of nothing, get people and nations into debt, take them over when they default and keep them in debt forever while enjoying the wealth that you invested nothing to aquire. That's called fractional reserve banking and we need to stop it.

[FORD]

Maybe someone should send out a bogus mailing that the next Bohemian Grove meeting is being held in Lagos Nigeria? Then they can get Darth Cheney, Kissinger, and any other members of the BCE who should happen to show up.

[Nitro Express]

Maybe someone should send out a bogus mailing that the next Bohemian Grove meeting is being held in Lagos Nigeria? Then they can get Darth Cheney, Kissinger, and any other members of the BCE who should happen to show up.

A Bohemian Club jacket came up on Ebay and holy shit did the price get bided up to the stratosphere. Anything from the Grove or Club is highly collectable. I don't thin those guys go to the grove every July so you might not get them. You would find other politicians and corporate leaders though. Maybe the younger generation of the people who are going to screw us over.

I would imagine they have started other groups and clubs by now. The Bohemian Club and Bilderberg Group have too much publicity now and a few years ago, that wasn't the case.

What's interesting is David Rockefeller was on Charlie Rose showing his Asian art collection and mentioned the Bilderberg Group and said he started the Trilateral Commission because the Bilderberg Group were prejudiced and didn't want to bring the Japanese in. They told David lets stick with the original plan. Rockefeller was smart enough to see the Japanese and Asia were going to be the future economic powerhouse and wanted to bring them into the group to consolidate power.

So a lot of powerful people start various groups and the main purpose of them is to consolidate economic and political power and they don't always agree and start other groups. I don't know if Bilderberg and David Rockefeller had a falling out or if Mr. Rockefeller is just too old to give a shit anymore.

[Nitro Express]

My father in law worked in aerospace his whole life. He was a project manager. One day he was really complaining about working at Boeing and wanted to quit. We were talking about corrupt CEO's, corporations, and golden parachutes. He was grumbling that most of them are Bohemians or probably even Bilderbergers. I went what? Why would corrupt corporate leaders be artists and what in the fuck is a Bilderberger? It sound like a type of sausage.

He said, "You don't know about the Bohemian Club and Bilderberg Group?" I said no. He said they were well known in the aerospace industry. He said the Bohemian Club is a good ol boy network of corporate board members and polticians and he said the Bilderbergs were very secret and very powerful. He said the Bilderbergers had a meeting every year and after the meeting something big would happen. He said after their meeting in Germany the Berlin Wall came down and thought Gorbechev was working with them. In hindsight, Gorbechev turned out to be a big time globalists more than a communist hard liner.

So I heard all of this from my father-in law and he knew it from working in the military industrial complex. He just told me the corruption was unbelievable and he really feared for the country. He was not a happy camper and took early retirement because he couldn't stand the corruption any longer.

[Seshmeister]

The Bilderberg conspiracy theories are senseless.

[Hardrock69]

No, the Bliderbergers are very real. But if you want to think they are senseless, be my guest. :baaa:

[Nitro Express]

The Bilderberg conspiracy theories are senseless.

It's a real group of people who have met since 1954. Their meetings are not open to the public but big bankers always attend. Most of the central bankers, the world bank president. Evelyn Rothschild met his new wife at Bilderberg and this was published in a business publication.

[Nitro Express]

Goldman Sachs is always well represented at Bilderberg. I would say a lot of the banking collusion and corruption it coordinated in the group.

Anyways, you are seeing the group mentioned in mainstream publications now. It's not as secret as it used to be.

http://www.portfolio.com/views/columns/the-world-according-to/2007/10/05/An-interview-with-Lady-de-Rothschild

[Nitro Express]

So Bilderberg is conspiracy fact and not theory. I doubt powerful bankers, corporate leaders, and politicians meet in secret to play golf and play bridge.

[Seshmeister]

They don't meet in secret, we know exactly when they meet.

[Seshmeister]

Please read this and stop being silly. Then send it to your father in law.

Once a year, the world's top power brokers gather behind closed doors for several days in a plush luxury hotel. The Bilderberg Group is an annual meeting of approximately 125 heads of state and leaders from business, politics, military, and economics from Western Europe and the United States. They discuss all the headlining topics: political, environmental, economic, and strategic issues facing the West. And when the meeting breaks up and everyone returns to his home nation — according to the conspiracy theorists — the "Bilderbergers" are armed with fresh orders, and each does his part in their master plan of World Domination. For the story goes that the Bilderberg Group is not a gathering of leaders for the purpose of discussion and the exchange of ideas, as it claims to be; but is in fact the secret world government. Sounds like a fine place to point our skeptical eye.

The Bilderberg Group was formed in 1954, and is named after the Bilderberg Hotel in Holland where the first meeting took place. The world had just come out of World War II and was entering into a new war of a much different character, the cold war. Malevolence was rising in the East, and many noted that anti-American sentiment in Europe was counterproductive to the shared goal of defending against the Communist Bloc. Polish politician Józef Retinger rallied support from Prince Bernard of the Netherlands and Belgian Prime Minister Paul Van Zeeland, who in turn contacted other leaders from Europe and the United States. The idea was to get one conservative and one liberal representative from each nation to get as broad a perspective as possible. Since the meeting was strictly unofficial, it was felt that discussion could be far more efficient and productive without the concern of binding resolutions or any sort of red tape. Fifty delegates attended the first meeting at the Bilderberg and discussed ways to improve cultural, economic, and strategic relations between the United States and Western Europe. The meeting was considered successful enough that a steering committee was formed to turn it into an annual event, with Prince Bernard as its first chairman.

Since then they've met about once a year, usually in May or June, at some 5-star hotel, usually in Europe but sometimes in the United States, and always in a different place. That first meeting was the only time they actually met at the Bilderberg Hotel.

There is nothing secret about the attendees. Part of the deal is that if you go to a conference, your name, title, and country are published on their web site and included in a press release. Every year, they've sent out a complete list of everyone who attended. Generally, if you're going to wield power from behind the scenes, you have to be behind the scenes. The Bilderbergers are not.

However, the content of their talks is a bit murky. Their meetings are held under the Chatham House Rule, which is a principle under which records can be kept of meetings without noting the identity or affiliation of any speaker. Each attendee is thus guaranteed anonymity. They have their own reason for doing this: By assuring their attendees some privacy, they encourage free, uninhibited discussion. However the use of the Chatham House Rule, quite obviously, appeals to the conspiracy theorists, as it could be seen as being consistent with secrecy.

Following this rule, the minutes are said to be taken down, but as they are the private property of the group they are not made public (see Wikileaks for leaked copies of their actual private minutes). This also throws fuel onto the fire of the conspiracy theorists. All that's made public are the general topics. For example, here is the information provided by the Bilderberg Group about the subject of their 2009 meeting in Greece:

Governments and Markets
After the G-20: Role of Institutions
Protectionism: How Serious
Cyberterrorism: Policy and Strategy
Sustainability: Post Kyoto Challenges
Iraq: Role and Responsibilities in the Region
Pakistan and Afghanistan
A New Order: US and the World
Lessons from a Crisis
Challenge to Market Economies and Democracies
New Imperialisms: Russia - China
Current Affairs: How does Industry see the Future

In short, basically the usual politicial/economic stuff that you'd expect such a group to discuss. But conspiracy theory radio host Alex Jones and other believers consider the information provided by Bilderberg to be just a front, and that they're actually there to plan the conquest of the world. They have two primary pieces of evidence to support this idea. The first is an article written by Fidel Castro, and the second is a radio interview given by a gentleman named Willy Claes. Let's look at these one at a time.

Castro, of course, was the President of Cuba for most of his career, and anytime a world leader speaks, one assumes he knows what he's talking about. On August 18, 2010, Castro devoted nearly 3 of the 8 pages of the Communist newsletter Granma to an article quoting the claims made in the 2006 book The True Story of the Bilderberg Group by conspiracy theory author Daniel Estulin. So in fact, Castro did not reveal any personal knowledge, he merely quoted from a book he'd read. As Cuba is not among the nations represented in the Bilderberg Group and Castro has never attended a meeting, there's little reason to suspect that he would have any particular insight, beyond having read that book. I don't see that Castro's article is evidence of anything.

The Willy Claes radio interview is more interesting. At the time he attended the 1994 Bilderberg meeting, Claes was the secretary general of NATO. A transcript of his radio interview, in Dutch, was reported on the conspiracy theory blog website Zonnewind. It was a very short, informal interview, taken during the 2010 meeting in Spain which Claes did not attend, and described by listeners as being in a humorous and jovial tone. Claes explained that each session consists of a rapporteur, who is usually either Henry Kissinger or current Bilderberg chairman Étienne Davignon, who speaks on a topic for exactly ten minutes, with each topic being an important problem faced by the West. Following this is group discussion, during which the rapporteur takes notes and attempts to form a consensus opinion, or "synthesis", among the group. The conspiracy theorists latched onto the following statement made by Claes, and have widely trumpeted it as proof that Bilderberg does indeed set world policy and that attendees are required to follow its orders:

"...And everybody is supposed to use those conclusions in his circle of influence."

Sound suspicious? I had five different Dutch speakers translate that, to be sure it was accurate, and that's the consensus translation. But it's still ambiguous. Claes certainly did not say they're required to carry out orders, in fact it could mean nothing more than the attendees hope to gain some useful insight that they'll be able to put into practice. It could also mean anything between the two. I'm leaning more toward the latter, because Alex Jones and the others give the quote without context and omit the rest of what Claes said. When asked if decisions are made at the meetings, Claes said:

"No, no voting, no resolutions put to paper."

And regarding the way attendees are asked to sit next to different people at each meal, Claes explained:

"I think it is really meant to accomodate the exchange of different and even contradictory opinions."

An exchange of ideas, with no decisions made. This from the interview that the conspiracy theorists put forth as the strongest evidence that the Bilderberg Group forces its members to carry out its plans of World Domination. Class, this is what we call "quote mining".

One reason it would be difficult for the Bilderberg Group attendees to control the world is that it's a different group of people each year. The core group, the steering committee, only changes gradually over the years, but the majority of attendees are invited only once or a few times. Bill Gates attended the 2010 meeting. What would be the point of inviting Bill Gates to just one of your secret World Domination planning meetings? Do you threaten him into secrecy? Are all attendees threatened into secrecy every year? It would probably not be a very popular event if this were the case. If I were Bill Gates and received a threat as soon as I walked in the door, I'd tell them where they could kiss me and turn around and walk out. Most of these people probably have better things to do than attend someone else's World Domination meeting where their own opinions are ignored and they have to enter into some kind of bizarre obedience pact to attend.

It's also important to note that Alex Jones thinks that virtually every congregation of powerful people is gathered for the purpose of planning World Domination. Not only is the Bilderberg Group setting world policy, but so are the Bohemian Club, the Freemasons, and the alleged Illuminati. What if these groups come to different decisions? Do they fight it out? Is this the true cause of world wars? I've double checked my history book, but I don't see any wars between the Bohemians and the Bilderbergers.

All things considered, I wouldn't say that the charge that the Bilderberg Group "runs the world" is an entirely unfair one. I think it's overstated, and I think the conspiracy theorists' version suggests paranoia far more than it represents reality, but the Bilderbergers are influential people coming together to discuss mutual problems in an open forum. They don't do it for their health or for grins; they're hoping to find solutions and opportunities for cooperation. I don't see any rational reason for such people to voluntarily enter into a threat-driven obedience pact or to plan World Domination. I do see good reason why a person in a position of responsibility would want the opportunity to have open, unfettered, off-the-record discussion with others facing similar issues. Any leader should consider his or herself lucky to have access to such a resource.

The Bilderberg Group tells us who they are, when and where they meet, what their purpose is, and in broad strokes what they discuss. Referring to it as some sort of secret society strains credibility. Their stated purpose obviously makes very good sense for people in their position. Which is more likely: They are what they say they are and what we'd expect them to be, or everything we see about them is an illusion and they're actually running our lives and planning our destruction? Beware any conspiracy theory that claims to predict future events. Not one has ever been right.

[Seshmeister]

Why oh why when most American congressmen are clearly owned by business interests due to campaign funding do people spend time worrying about this Bildeberg crap.

[Nitro Express]

Why oh why when most American congressmen are clearly owned by business interests due to campaign funding do people spend time worrying about this Bildeberg crap.

Exactly. That's why we worry about it. Just look at what's happening in Ireland. They make the country default, and then come in and take it over. It hasn't completely happened to us yet so there is hope we can turn it. The bankers haven't taken us over all the way yet but it will happen if we don't stop it. I started noticing something was rotten in the 1980's when CEO's made more and more money and then parachuted out with huge severance packages and more and more of our industry got outsourced.

If we can audit and expose the Federal Reserve Bank then we have the bastards. If we do nothing this big ponzi scheme called fractional reserve banking takes your elected government and private banks over completely and you don't have a pot to piss in. The stupid Democrats still think it's socialism and think it's great.

[Nitro Express]

We need a big Wikileaks expose on the World Bank, the IMF, and the central banks that work with them.

[Nitro Express]

...and one more thing people need to recognize is there is no debt. There is only derivatives. The central banks printed money from nothing and gave it or loaned it cheap to the big banks. They loaned it to the little people and ran the economy into a bubble until it popped. The economy crashes, defaults happen and the big banks start taking real assets or buy them up cheap to settle a debt created from nothing. That's a ponzi scheme and countries in Europe have lost all their financial independance because of it. A few oligarchs will own most the banks in Europe and there will be no small regional banks. Then they will start coming after private property next.

[PETE'S BROTHER]

We need a big Wikileaks expose on the World Bank, the IMF, and the central banks that work with them.

gotta get 'em outta their bunker first

[Nitro Express]

Oh they are out. The third world countries have been screwed by them for a long time. In fact, one person I know who has done a lot of traveling in Africa says a lot of the problems there are directly related to the IMF. The IMF comes in and says, you need new infrastructure to grow so we will loan you the money. Then of course they get the country into a situation they can't make payments on and they go into default and the IMF comes in and snags up real assets.

In my part of the woods, Wall Street types are trying to buy farmland up. They got their bailout money and now they are trying to convert their dollars to real assets before Bernanke crashes the dollar. So it's feudalism trying to come back.

What people need to do is say we aren't paying you a damn thing and oh by the way, we are auditing your ass. The truth is these banks screwing us are basically broke. That is why they are trying to grab real assets because they know the gig is up if they don't.

So people have to stop being gutless wonders and grow a pair.

[Nitro Express]

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703650604575313343743649622.html

But the big boys on Wall Street know the paper game is about up so they want farmland and the s.5150 bill will allow the government to harass it away from the small farmers. That's what it's all about. It's not about food safety. And John Stewart can shove his little jokes on it up his ass since his brother runs the New York Stock Exchange. s.510 is a bad bill.

So it's make our money worthless, crash us with inflation, debt, government regulations and scoop it up all for themselves. The bankers. It's bad shit.

[Nitro Express]

The International Monetary Fund faced harsh criticism on Thursday for failing to meet its commitment to write off $800m in debt owed by Liberia, as Ellen Johnson-Sirleaf, the country's leader, met US president George W. Bush in Washington.

Bono, lead singer of U2, told the Financial Times it was "an IMF-ing outrage" that Liberia had overcome civil war and met stringent reform standards to qualify for debt relief but that the fund was unable to keep its promise to write off the IMF's portion of the nation's $4.5bn (€3bn, £2bn) debt.



Even Bono see's it. We don't need third world debt relief. We need world debt relief. The bastard banks have a world total of $1.5 gazillion of derivative debt they are holding. The GNP of the world is $60 Trillion. See the problem. It's a ponzi scheme and is impossible to pay back. We need to get rid of the World Bank, IMF, and the fractional reserve central banks. That's the real menace to everyone's sovergnty. We don't need this globalism shit.

[Seshmeister]

We are so far away from the things you want to happen though it's like trying to imagine the distance between stars.

[Hardrock69]

That's true.

And Sesh, I was not talking about foam-at-the-mouth conspiracies about world domination.

Just seemed you were dismissing Bilderbergers as some kind of fictional entity.

And it is not a 'conspiracy theory' to understand they ARE those on the planet who 'have the power', and it is not wrong to assume they are discussing more serious issues than the quality of the room service at the ultra-elite hotels they stay in.

[Hardrock69]

Haha....busted the forum software again. Fucking lying piece of shit! :mad: :biggrin:

http://i54.tinypic.com/2zgt72d.jpg

[Nitro Express]

We are so far away from the things you want to happen though it's like trying to imagine the distance between stars.

Not really. We've been in much worse situations. We could clean things up in a couple elections cycles and start to have an economy going again in ten years if we get going on it. The bankers know that more than anyone so they need distractions and wars are good for that. Basically we are at a crossroads. Like I said, we have no debt, only derivatives so you write the derivatives off, erase the debt, put the central banks under the control of congress and systematicaly incorporate them into the Treasury Department. Then defund all the invasive government agencies and starve them out. The workers will get going and dig us out. Most of the population will still be brainless deadbeats but if you have 20% on board it's doable.

[Blaze]

Nitro, that's not going to happen without some collars and serious ones.

More than just an info-war( though very necessary means of protection), there would need to be laws broken and upheld.

Thing is it is not Napoleonic time, they can't just be exiled to some island.


But, the thing is I don't buy the "OMG, people of business have meetings" headline for a shocker.

It's not against the law to have a meeting.