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Seshmeister
12-20-2010, 08:38 PM
On a moonless night when 'the stars look very cold about the sky, and the only clouds to be seen are the glowing smudges of the milky way, go out to a place far from street light pollution, lie on the grass and gaze up at the sky.

Because of light's finite speed, when you look at the great galaxy in andromeda you are seeing it as it was 2.3 million years ago and australopithecus stalked the high veldt. You are looking back in time.

Shift your eyes a few degrees to the nearest bright star in the constellation of Andromeda and you see Mirach, but much more recently, as it was when Wall Street crashed. The sun, when you witness its colour and shape, is only eight minutes ago. But point a large telescope at the sombrero galaxy and you behold a trillion suns as they were when your tailed ancestors peered shyly through the canopy and india collided with asia to raise the himalayas. A collision on a larger scale, between two
galaxies in stephan's quintet, is shown to us at a time when on earth dinosaurs were dawning and the trilobites fresh dead.

Name any event in history and you will find a star out there whose light gives you a glimpse of something happening during the year of that event. Provided you are not a very young child, somewhere up in the night sky you can find your personal birth star. Its light is a thermonuclear glow
that heralds the year of your birth. Indeed, you can find quite a few such stars (about 40 if you are 40; about 70 if you are 50; about 175 if you are 80 years old). When you look at one of your birth year stars, your telescope is a time machine letting you witness thermonuclear events that are actually taking place during the year you were born. A pleasing conceit, but that is all. Your birth star will not deign to tell anything about your personality, your future or your sexual compatibilities. The stars have larger agendas in which the preoccupations of human pettiness do not figure.

Your birth star, of course, is yours for only this year. Next year you must look to the surface of a larger sphere one light year more distant. Think of this expanding sphere as a radius of good news, the news of your birth broadcast steadily outwards. In the einsteinian universe in which most
physicists now think we live, nothing can in principle travel faster than light. So, if you are 50 years old, you have a personal news bubble of 50 light years' radius. Within that sphere (of a little more than a thousand stars) it is in principle possible (although obviously not in practice) for news of your existence to have permeated. Outside that sphere you might as well not exist; in an einsteinian sense you do not exist. Older people have larger existence spheres than younger people, but nobody's existence extends to more than a tiny fraction of the universe.

The birth of jesus may seem an ancient and momentous event to us as we reach his second millenary. But the news is so recent on this scale that, even in the most ideal circumstances, it could in principle have been proclaimed to less than one 200 million millionth of the stars in the universe. Many, if not most, of the stars out there will be orbited by planets. The numbers are so vast that probably some of them have life forms, some have evolved intelligence and technology.

Yet the distances and times that separate us are so great that thousands of life forms could independently evolve and go extinct without it being possible for any to know of the existence of any other.



Richard Dawkins - Unweaving the Rainbow

Seshmeister
12-20-2010, 08:46 PM
It goes without saying that this is difficult and not as reassuring as the Jesus story.

In itself it doesn't in any way disprove anything in the Jesus story but it is interesting to think about the fact that if the good news of Jesus had to spread through the visible universe we would need and equal spread of 200 000 000 Jesus's born 2000 years ago and for the news to travel at the speed of light.

This is the 21st version of the way the church hated when Galileo showed the Earth goes around the Sun because it's very very difficult to work out the whole 'God giving his only son' thing when facts about the size of the universe get in the way.

Blaze
12-20-2010, 09:18 PM
This message will take the form of a simulated discussion between a Jehovah's Witness named Joe and a Christian named Chris.

Chris: Joe can you explain to me why Jehovah's Witnesses do not celebrate Christmas?

Joe: Sure, Chris. Jehovah's Witnesses do not celebrate Christmas because we do not participate in pagan celebrations, and we know that Jesus was not born on December 25.

Chris: Why do you call Christmas a pagan celebration? Certainly celebrating God's gift of his son would not qualify as a pagan celebration.

Joe: December 25 is the date of the winter solstice and Christmas originated at a time when the cult of the sun was strong at Rome.

Chris: So what you are saying is that Christians celebrated a pagan celebration and just continued to do so by changing its name.

Joe: That's right, Chris.

Chris: Were you aware that this is not what the Watchtower originally taught was the origin of Christmas?

Joe: What do you mean?

Chris: In The Time is at Hand, Vol. 2 of the Studies in the Scriptures on page 61 it discusses the date of the birth of Christ. It says "...we could not be certain that the exact day might not be in September about the 27th, but October 1st, B.C. is about correct. Nine months back of that date would bring us to about Christmas time, 3 B.C., as the date at which our Lord laid aside the glory which he had with the Father before the world was made and the taking of or changing to human nature began. It seems probable that this was the origin of the celebration of December 25th as Christmas Day. Some writers on Church history claim, even, that Christmas Day was originally celebrated as the date of the annunciation by Gabriel to the virgin Mary." Joe, the Watchtower at one time agreed with Church history that the origin of Christmas was the celebration of the gift of God's son from his conception. Just because this conception happened around a pagan celebration does not make it pagan. If celebrating the gift of God's son is so wrong, how come God allowed the celebration for so long before the Watchtower ever declared it wrong?

Joe: I know that the Watchtower used to celebrate Christmas but when they learned that it was tied into paganism, they stopped celebrating it.

Chris: In the December 15, 1903 Watchtower, Charles Russell wrote concerning Christmas that even though he did not agree with the date which he said wasn't important, he said "..we may properly enough join with all whose hearts are in the attitude of love and appreciation toward God and toward the Saviour." Both Charles Russell and Joseph Rutherford your first and second presidents celebrated Christmas and even encouraged others to participate in the celebration and to give Watchtower books as gifts. All this was at a time when the Watchtower says that Jesus was inspecting all churches to see which he would pick as the only "faithful and wise servant". How is it that celebrating the gift of God's son was alright back then but now is such a bad thing that a person can lose his everlasting life? How is it that God allowed Christians for almost two thousand years to honor the gift of his Son and then suddenly changed his mind?

Joe: I'm not sure how to answer you. I know that I used to celebrate Christmas as a small child before my family became Witnesses and I never thought it was wrong then. But now I have learned things like the wise men were dupes of Satan, led by a Satanic star. The whole Christmas scene was led by
Satan not God.

Chris: I would be interested in talking with you about the star of Bethlehem and the wise men. Could we get together next week to discuss this?

Joe: Sure.
Go to part two: Is the Star of Bethlehem Satan's star?

http://www.jwinfoline.com/Documents/Christmas/Is_Christmas_pagan.htm




Why not celebrate Christmas or Jesus birth?
In: Christmas,



ANSWER

Christmas is not actually the celebration of Jesus birth. It is actually a pagan celebration to the sun god. It was the early Catholic Church about 400 years after Jesus died that took the pagan celebration, changed the name to "Christ's Mass," and called it "Christian." We have a problem with that, because we believe as the Bible says at 2 Corinthians 6:14-16, that God will not have anything to do with what is associated with unclean worship. So, we do not engage in celebrations that come from pagan sources.

We do not celebrate Jesus birthday, or birthdays in general because of the pagan sources that birthday celebrations also come from. Jesus and the disciples and even the first Christians did not celebrate birthdays. They regarded them as pagan. Birthday celebrations actually originated in pagan religion. They were celebrated as a way to appease the god of the astrological sign that a person was born under. Even the "birthday wish" was made to that pagan god or godess. Since these gods of the constalations are rival gods to the true GOD, ancient Jews and early Christians did not engage in birthday celebrations for fear that t would violate GOD's law on exclusive worship and devotion to HIM.(Exodus 20:3) Likewise today, JW's follow this same line of reasoning. We do not want to compromise our devotion and worship to the only one a true GOD, Jehovah.

For further reading click on RELATE LINKS (below)

The New Catholic Encyclopedia states:

"The date of Christ's birth is not known. The Gospels indicate neither the day nor the month. According to the hypothesis suggested by H. Usener and accepted by most scholars today, the birth of Christ was assigned the date of the winter solstice (December 25 in the Julian calendar, January 6 in the Egyptian), because on this day, as the sun began its return to northern skies, the pagan devotees of Mithra celebrated the "dies natalis Solis Invicti" (birthday of the invincible sun). On Dec. 25, 274 A.D., Aurelian had proclaimed the sun-god principal patron of the empire and dedicated a temple to him in the Campus Martius. {(1967), Vol. III, p. 656}. So, the date Dec. 25 was chosen to coincide with Sun worship.

As an illustration: Suppose a crowd come to a gentleman's home saying they are there to celebrate his birthday. He doesn't favor the celebration of birthdays. He doesn't like to see people overeat or get drunk or engage in loose conduct. But some of them do all those things, and they bring presents for everyone there except him! On top of all that, they pick the birthday of one of the man's enemies as the date for the celebration. How would the man feel? How would you feel? Would you want to be a party to it? Jehovah's Witnesses follow the Bible completely, taking into consideration how God feels about false worship and how Jesus taught us to live our lives. This is exactly what is being done by Christmas celebrations.

Addition: The reason christianity adopted christmas was because their efforts to convert the pagans were failing. So they adopted their winter celebration, put Christ in the center and there you go- Christmas


Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Why_do_Jehovah's_Witness's_not_celebrate_Christmas _or_Jesus_birth#ixzz18hyf7gZi



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Annie Christian wanted
To be number one
But her kingdom never comes
Thy will be done

She couldn't stand the glory
She will be second to none
The way Annie tells the story
She's his only son

Annie Christian wanted
To be a big star
So she moved to Atlanta
And she bought a blue car

She killed black children
And what's fair is fair
If you try and say you're crazy
Everybody say electric chair
Electric chair

Annie Christian, Anti-Christ
Until you're crucified
I'll live my life in taxicabs
Annie Christian, Anti-Christ
'Til you're crucified
I'll live my life in taxicabs

Annie Christian was a whore
Always looking for some fun
Being good was such a bore
So she bought a gun

She killed John Lennon
Shot him down cold
She tried to kill Reagan
Everybody say gun control
Gun control

Annie Christian, Anti-Christ
Until you're crucified
I'll live my life in taxicabs
Annie Christian, Anti-Christ
'Til you're crucified
I'll live my life in taxicabs

Liar, liar, liar
Gotcha in a jam
Put your head on the block
Somebody say ABSCAM, ABSCAM

Annie, Annie Christian, Anti-Christ
Until you're crucified
I'll live my life in taxicabs
Annie Christian, Anti-Christ
'Til you're crucified
I'll live my life in taxicabs

Seshmeister
12-20-2010, 09:34 PM
Winning a theological argument with a Jehovah's witness is a bit like beating a 4 year old at chess. After cutting the kids hands off.

Blaze
12-20-2010, 09:58 PM
I just report it, Sesh....
The fact that Dec 25 is not Jesus birthday is old news.

So, how is the family, Sesh? Has the winter treated you to any memories?

VanHalener
12-20-2010, 10:41 PM
I am worried about that hostile race out there that discovered classic Van Halen four years ago and has been cranking it while conquering planets ever since. They are going to be PISSED when they hear of the breakup and are going to come here looking for answers.
I can hear the intergalactic space reporter now,
"Eddie Van Halen gets earth destroyed...More Milky Way news after this..."

Jesus Christ
12-20-2010, 11:11 PM
It goes without saying that this is difficult and not as reassuring as the Jesus story.

In itself it doesn't in any way disprove anything in the Jesus story but it is interesting to think about the fact that if the good news of Jesus had to spread through the visible universe we would need and equal spread of 200 000 000 Jesus's born 2000 years ago and for the news to travel at the speed of light.

This is the 21st version of the way the church hated when Galileo showed the Earth goes around the Sun because it's very very difficult to work out the whole 'God giving his only son' thing when facts about the size of the universe get in the way.

My son, why do ye trouble yourself making up all these reasons to doubt My story? Have ye read "The Martian Chronicles" by Ray Bradbury? There's an interesting account in there of how I might have revealed Myself to a form of life different to you mortals of Earth.

ELVIS
12-21-2010, 12:38 AM
All the people in the universe live here on earth...

Jesus Christ
12-21-2010, 12:45 AM
Why do ye thinketh that, Gregory?

For verily I say unto you, that if ye believeth that Dad & I created the Universe and all that is in it, then why would We make 99.999999999999% of it without life?

Trust Me, We aren't that bored that We would just create a bunch of lifeless galaxies for no reason.

Seshmeister
12-21-2010, 06:40 AM
All the people in the universe live here on earth...

I think that is the only explanation that fits with the Christian mythology.

But if that is the case why would your god create 100 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 other suns with no one there?

It makes it pretty fucking hard to feel special doesn't it?

Seshmeister
12-21-2010, 06:48 AM
It goes without saying that this is difficult and not as reassuring as the Jesus story.

In itself it doesn't in any way disprove anything in the Jesus story but it is interesting to think about the fact that if the good news of Jesus had to spread through the visible universe we would need and equal spread of 200 000 000 Jesus's born 2000 years ago and for the news to travel at the speed of light.

This is the 21st version of the way the church hated when Galileo showed the Earth goes around the Sun because it's very very difficult to work out the whole 'God giving his only son' thing when facts about the size of the universe get in the way.

Sorry I had been out for a few beers when I posted this and it may be the most wrong thing I've ever said.

I posted we would need 200 000 000 Jesus's when of course I should have said 200 000 000 000 000 Jesus's

ELVIS
12-21-2010, 12:36 PM
Why do ye thinketh that, Gregory?



Because God wanted it that way...

God put his greatest creation here...on EARTH!

FORD
12-21-2010, 12:41 PM
So all the other billions of planets out there are just sitting there for no reason at all?

Sorry, I can't believe that. It's also actually insulting to God if you believe this fucked up planet is the best He could do. :biggrin:

PETE'S BROTHER
12-21-2010, 12:42 PM
Because God wanted it that way...

God put his greatest creation here...on EARTH!

aw shucks, thanx...:biggrin:

ELVIS
12-21-2010, 12:48 PM
So all the other billions of planets out there are just sitting there for no reason at all?

Sorry, I can't believe that. It's also actually insulting to God if you believe this fucked up planet is the best He could do. :biggrin:

We seriously need a JACKASS button...

:elvis:

jhale667
12-21-2010, 01:52 PM
We seriously need a JACKASS button...




Yep, for when idiots like you make arrogant statements like "We're alone in the universe" or that we're "God's greatest creation"... :fufu:

Actually, not sure if statements like that are more arrogant than they are short-sighted - to the point of retardation. :cato: It's fucking moronic to think we're unique in the universe, ESPECIALLY when scientists and astronomers are finding more galaxies with Earth-similar planets with increasing regularity.

But of course, zealots can't accept it (or even consider the possibility) because it flies in the face of their superstitious BULLSHIT..."I know that cain't be true cuz the Baaaaahble sez so!" :duh:

FORD
12-21-2010, 10:08 PM
He can't even use the Bible as an excuse now, because Jesus Himself said so right here in this thread.

knuckleboner
12-21-2010, 10:41 PM
All the people in the universe live here on earth...

is it so hard to believe that an infinitely loving God would have the capacity for more than just 6 billion beings to love?

sadaist
12-25-2010, 12:13 AM
All the people in the universe live here on earth...

Possibly quite true. But Predators aren't "people".


http://www.starstore.com/acatalog/predator_headknocker_L.jpg

sadaist
12-25-2010, 12:17 AM
is it so hard to believe that an infinitely loving God would have the capacity for more than just 6 billion beings to love?


Love? Any being that would allow anything to burn in agony for an eternity certainly has no capacity for love.

ashstralia
12-25-2010, 12:31 AM
back in '85, i used to talk shite and play cvh over the cb radio.
those radio waves are still out there, 25 light years away!

awesome.

Golden AWe
12-25-2010, 04:07 AM
Plus, remember these recent news as well...there are way more stars than previously found. It multiplies the previous numbers with at least three...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-11888362


Astronomers say the Universe may contain three times the number of stars as is currently thought.

Their assessment is based on new observations showing other galaxies may have very different structures to our Milky Way galaxy.

The researchers tell the journal Nature that more stars probably means many more planets as well - perhaps "trillions" of Earth-like worlds.

The Yale University-led study used the Keck telescope in Hawaii.

It found that galaxies older than ours contain 20 times more red dwarf stars than more recent ones.

Red dwarfs are smaller and dimmer than our own Sun; it is only recently that telescopes have been powerful enough to detect them.

According to Yale's Professor Pieter van Dokkum, who led the research, the discovery also increases the estimate for the number of planets in the Universe and therefore greatly increases the likelihood of life existing elsewhere in the cosmos.

"There are possibly trillions of Earths orbiting these stars," he said. "Red dwarfs are typically more than 10 billion years old and so have been around long enough for complex life to evolve on planets around them. It's one reason why people are interested in this type of star."

Nickdfresh
12-25-2010, 01:36 PM
Mind-boggling!

lesfunk
12-25-2010, 04:29 PM
Billions and Billions and Billions.....

sadaist
12-25-2010, 10:47 PM
It's weird that when discussing the universe we try to wrap our minds around billions & trillions. But when a government throws those numbers around regarding money, it hardly even phases us that they are talking about real dollars and quantities.

Nitro Express
12-27-2010, 12:32 AM
Christmas is on December 25 because emperor Constantine said so. He decided to spice up the old Roman paganism with a double shot of Christianity and so he called the traditional pagan solstice holiday the Christ mass or as we call it today, Christmas. Simple as that folks.

ashstralia
12-27-2010, 02:32 AM
the solar system at scale (http://www.noao.edu/education/peppercorn/pcmain.html)

the universe is a big, big place.

Seshmeister
12-27-2010, 07:28 AM
That's funny I was just saying last night that I was going to do this soon in the local park. The link you posted is the best version I've seen.

ashstralia
12-28-2010, 01:17 AM
cheers sesh. worth noting too; the distance to the NEAREST star, proxima centauri is about 250000x the earth-sun distance.


whoa.

Seshmeister
12-28-2010, 06:32 AM
So by the scale above where the Earth is a peppercorn the next nearest star is about 4000 miles away.

BigBadBrian
12-28-2010, 07:28 AM
Just a curious bit of info related to this: With current technology, it would take a space craft aprox 2.5 years to reach Mars...one way. No, we're not going there anytime soon.

ashstralia
12-28-2010, 07:41 AM
So by the scale above where the Earth is a peppercorn the next nearest star is about 4000 miles away.


yeah, mindbending ay?

brian, if only 10% of all the defence budget were spent on space exploration....

edit; i used this as a guide, hope i got it roughly correct. earth sun= 1 au
http://starchild.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/StarChild/questions/question19.html

Seshmeister
12-28-2010, 08:59 AM
"Space is big. Really big. You just won't believe how vastly hugely mind-bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist, but that's just peanuts to space."

Douglas Adams

chefcraig
12-28-2010, 09:14 AM
Because God wanted it that way...

God put his greatest creation here...on EARTH!

Finally, we are in complete agreement...


http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/2359/doubledownu.jpg (http://img222.imageshack.us/i/doubledownu.jpg/)

ashstralia
12-28-2010, 09:32 AM
haha! 'what's so unpleasant about being drunk?' 'ask a glass of water'.

ashstralia
12-28-2010, 09:34 AM
craig, i can't believe you guys eat that garbage.

chefcraig
12-28-2010, 09:46 AM
craig, i can't believe you guys eat that garbage.

Bizarre, isn't it ash? I honestly can not get my mind around which is worse...someone having the warped temerity and outright cynicism to market this abomination to people, or the public themselves for thinking this is a great idea and long overdue.

ashstralia
12-28-2010, 09:56 AM
hehehe.. guess i'm getting old, when i was a 17 yr old pot head that would have been the best 'food' ever :)

jhale667
12-28-2010, 01:17 PM
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/2359/doubledownu.jpg


Bizarre, isn't it ash? I honestly can not get my mind around which is worse...someone having the warped temerity and outright cynicism to market this abomination to people, or the public themselves for thinking this is a great idea and long overdue.



They're actually pretty damn good - though I imagine the "grilled" version would be slightly "healthier"... :hee:

Jesus Christ
12-28-2010, 01:42 PM
Finally, we are in complete agreement...


http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/2359/doubledownu.jpg (http://img222.imageshack.us/i/doubledownu.jpg/)

You really think We created that thing?? :jesuslol:

BigBadBrian
12-29-2010, 06:47 AM
craig, i can't believe you guys eat that garbage.

Amazing statement, from someone in a country that has vegemite. :puking-smiley:

ashstralia
12-29-2010, 07:55 AM
promite is much tastier.

Golden AWe
12-31-2010, 06:56 AM
Try this finnish one for evidence.

http://aiheet.domnik.net/wp2/wp-content/images/puukkokukko.jpg

Kalakukko is a traditional food from the Finnish region of Savonia made from fish baked inside a loaf of bread. The Cornish pasty from Cornwall has the same basic idea of complete packed lunch.
Traditionally, kalakukko is prepared with rye flour, although wheat is often added to make the dough more pliable. The filling consists of fish, pork and bacon, and is seasoned with salt (unless the pork is already salted). After being baked for several hours, kalakukko looks much like a large loaf of rye bread. If prepared correctly, all the bones of the fish inside it have softened and the filling is moist as all the meat and fish juices have been cooked inside the bread.
Traditionally, the fish used in kalakukko is either the vendace (Finnish muikku), or European perch (Finnish ahven), but salmon is also sometimes used. In southern Savonia the vendace is advocated as the only fish for the true kalakukko whereas in the northern parts of the province the same is said about the perch. Instead of fish, also combinations of potato and pork or rutabaga and pork are possible. The appropriate drink to accompany kalakukko is buttermilk or piimä.
Kalakukko can be heated in an oven. It takes about one hour in 130 degrees Celsius if the size of the kalakukko is about 1 kg. It can also be eaten cold. One way (and many say the only right way) to eat kalakukko is to open the top with a sharp knife, eat the top with butter, and then slice some of the bread making the hole on the top larger and eat it with the filling.
Kalakukko will keep for a long time when unopened. It used to be a practical lunch for workers away from home.
An average Finnish-speaking person today finds the name somewhat amusing, as kala is Finnish for "fish" and kukko is "rooster", leading to the oft used but non-morphological translation, "fish cock". However, the archaic form of kukko is derived from the same root as kukkaro (purse).
Since 2002, kalakukko has had Traditional Speciality Guaranteed (TSG) status in Europe

ashstralia
12-31-2010, 07:30 AM
on another note, here's one of my scambait emails...:biggrin:
i know i'm an amateur, but this is fun...

Seshmeister
01-10-2011, 09:01 AM
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Jesus Christ
01-11-2011, 09:37 PM
Try this finnish one for evidence.

http://aiheet.domnik.net/wp2/wp-content/images/puukkokukko.jpg

Kalakukko is a traditional food from the Finnish region of Savonia made from fish baked inside a loaf of bread. The Cornish pasty from Cornwall has the same basic idea of complete packed lunch.
Traditionally, kalakukko is prepared with rye flour, although wheat is often added to make the dough more pliable. The filling consists of fish, pork and bacon, and is seasoned with salt (unless the pork is already salted). After being baked for several hours, kalakukko looks much like a large loaf of rye bread. If prepared correctly, all the bones of the fish inside it have softened and the filling is moist as all the meat and fish juices have been cooked inside the bread.
Traditionally, the fish used in kalakukko is either the vendace (Finnish muikku), or European perch (Finnish ahven), but salmon is also sometimes used. In southern Savonia the vendace is advocated as the only fish for the true kalakukko whereas in the northern parts of the province the same is said about the perch. Instead of fish, also combinations of potato and pork or rutabaga and pork are possible. The appropriate drink to accompany kalakukko is buttermilk or piimä.
Kalakukko can be heated in an oven. It takes about one hour in 130 degrees Celsius if the size of the kalakukko is about 1 kg. It can also be eaten cold. One way (and many say the only right way) to eat kalakukko is to open the top with a sharp knife, eat the top with butter, and then slice some of the bread making the hole on the top larger and eat it with the filling.
Kalakukko will keep for a long time when unopened. It used to be a practical lunch for workers away from home.
An average Finnish-speaking person today finds the name somewhat amusing, as kala is Finnish for "fish" and kukko is "rooster", leading to the oft used but non-morphological translation, "fish cock". However, the archaic form of kukko is derived from the same root as kukkaro (purse).
Since 2002, kalakukko has had Traditional Speciality Guaranteed (TSG) status in Europe

That doesn't look too bad. Creative spin on the loaves and fishes. Just leave the pork out of Mine though. The whole Kosher thing, you know......

kwame k
01-11-2011, 09:43 PM
Your most Holiness, this is off topic but....................I just returned to the faith and want to find a woman who has the narrow beliefs as I do and I'd like to know your thoughts on this dating website.

ChristianMingle.com

Yours in Blind Faith,

Kwame

Jesus Christ
01-11-2011, 10:03 PM
My son, by the looks of that site, ye may be better off trying to find a woman of faith in thy local church. Most of the women I'm seeing on that site could be thy mother or grandmother. And some others I'm not even sure are women. :jesuslol:

kwame k
01-11-2011, 10:11 PM
Yeah, your most Eminence, I was thinking the same thing............................

I just joined......... loosebitches.com

Seshmeister
01-11-2011, 11:52 PM
I like how on the Christian site under 'How often do you drink?' they have an option 'As often as possible'. :)

ashstralia
01-12-2011, 12:10 AM
I like how on the Christian site under 'How often do you drink?' they have an option 'As often as possible'. :)

:) that was the option i chose!:biggrin:

ashstralia
01-12-2011, 12:44 AM
btw, that vid in post#45 is fucking mindblowing.

Seshmeister
01-12-2011, 08:35 AM
I'm glad someone watched it.

Nickdfresh
01-12-2011, 07:25 PM
Try this finnish one for evidence.

http://aiheet.domnik.net/wp2/wp-content/images/puukkokukko.jpg

Kalakukko is a traditional food from the Finnish region of Savonia made from fish baked inside a loaf of bread. The Cornish pasty from Cornwall has the same basic idea of complete packed lunch.
Traditionally, kalakukko is prepared with rye flour, although wheat is often added to make the dough more pliable. The filling consists of fish, pork and bacon, and is seasoned with salt (unless the pork is already salted). After being baked for several hours, kalakukko looks much like a large loaf of rye bread. If prepared correctly, all the bones of the fish inside it have softened and the filling is moist as all the meat and fish juices have been cooked inside the bread.
Traditionally, the fish used in kalakukko is either the vendace (Finnish muikku), or European perch (Finnish ahven), but salmon is also sometimes used. In southern Savonia the vendace is advocated as the only fish for the true kalakukko whereas in the northern parts of the province the same is said about the perch. Instead of fish, also combinations of potato and pork or rutabaga and pork are possible. The appropriate drink to accompany kalakukko is buttermilk or piimä.
Kalakukko can be heated in an oven. It takes about one hour in 130 degrees Celsius if the size of the kalakukko is about 1 kg. It can also be eaten cold. One way (and many say the only right way) to eat kalakukko is to open the top with a sharp knife, eat the top with butter, and then slice some of the bread making the hole on the top larger and eat it with the filling.
Kalakukko will keep for a long time when unopened. It used to be a practical lunch for workers away from home.
An average Finnish-speaking person today finds the name somewhat amusing, as kala is Finnish for "fish" and kukko is "rooster", leading to the oft used but non-morphological translation, "fish cock". However, the archaic form of kukko is derived from the same root as kukkaro (purse).
Since 2002, kalakukko has had Traditional Speciality Guaranteed (TSG) status in Europe

Is this what you eat on the ole' jobsite? I'd actually love to try that...