Palin has no clue, a 3rd response to the Presidents speech.. wow

[Carloscda]

Watch the latest video at video.foxnews.com

[Satan]

She's afraid Bachmann is going to steal the crazy vote. :biggrin:

[ELVIS]

I agree with almost everything she said...

[Nitro Express]

The only thing rallying the stock market is the Federal Reserve loaning the big banks our money at 0% interest with no stipulation to pay it back. It's just another bubble with no real market forces generating it. So I don't care if you are a conservative or liberal, we need to audit the Fed and get it under the control of the US Congress where transactions will be open and controlled by elected officials.

[Nitro Express]

I agree with almost everything she said...

I would never vote for her but she pretty much laid it out. The American people need to learn how to work again and the only way out is to produce our way out. The other way is to break the country so a few rich cats can buy us up cheap and saddle the future generations with huge debts. This country will have a $28 Trillion debt if it keeps going the way it is. Of course the Fed will print it or the Chinese will loan it but that puts the Fed and the Chinese in charge and not the people who will spend multiple generations paying the debt off. If you want to fuck your retirement years and your children, stay the course.

[BigBadBrian]

Liberals continue to call Palin, Bachmann, etc crazy and other insults but just can't make an argument against them.

It's right out of the Democratic Party Playbook...."When you can't debate them, insult them."

[VAiN]

It's right out of the Democratic Party Playbook...."When you can't debate them, insult them."

I don't pledge allegiance to either party - but isn't that what they both do? Rarely do I hear a solution, but I do hear a shit-ton of blame being passed around...

[Nitro Express]

I don't pledge allegiance to either party - but isn't that what they both do? Rarely do I hear a solution, but I do hear a shit-ton of blame being passed around...

The two parties aren't the problem. It's the multinational corporations who buy the politicians in both parties. Look. The Republicans had all the control and it was a disaster and then the Democrats got the control and it was a disaster. We didn't gain shit with either party, but the banks are making record profits, the military contractors are doing well, The drug companies are fine. The average person is getting screwed. Why? The politicians don't serve the people anymore.

[Nitro Express]

Liberals continue to call Palin, Bachmann, etc crazy and other insults but just can't make an argument against them.

It's right out of the Democratic Party Playbook...."When you can't debate them, insult them."

It's business as usual but my main question is do Palin and Bachmann serve corporations or do they serve the people? I really don't care if you are gay or if you shoot moose. I want to know if you are going to sell me out or if you are going to level the playing field so we can work our way out of this shit mess.

[Switch84]

I don't pledge allegiance to either party - but isn't that what they both do? Rarely do I hear a solution, but I do hear a shit-ton of blame being passed around...

And that's all you'll ever hear, especially from the losing party. If Palin was so "influential" and "credible", why wasn't she and McCain elected in '08? Who gives a fuck about who came in second in the Super Bowl? NOBODY, baby....

Frankly, attention whores like her (of any political stripe) are part of the problem, not the solution.

[Kristy]

America needs jobs, Fox needs props.

[Seshmeister]

I agree with almost everything she said...

She didn't say anything, again.

How is she going to balance the budget? Getting rid of a salmon commission and by cutting taxes for the wealthy.

Funny how the Tea Baggers never talk about defence cuts...

[Nitro Express]

I believe defense is 60% of the US budget. As far as I'm concerned we should declare victory in the middle east and come home. The Japanese and South Korea are rich, they can keep North Korea in check. The cold war is over, we don't need NATO anymore. We patrol the north border of South Korea but armed drug bandits with military weapons come across our southern border and nothing is done.

You never hear anyone on the right talk about cutting the defense budget and that is my main bone I have to pick with the right. We have enough weaponry to keep the homeland safe by many many times.

[Seshmeister]

Iraq and Afghanistan are going to cost unbelievable amounts of money in the long term.

If you look at the figures for the amount of servicemen fucked up and a burden on the state for life now from the first Gulf War which was basically a week long skirmish and scale it up, it could bury you.

It will take all the tax from 5 of you for each of these kids, there will be hundreds of thousands of them and you could be looking at 70 years paying out for it.

Your grandchildren will be paying for all of their working lives.

[Seshmeister]

The Hidden Cost of the Gulf War

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eric-margolis/the-hidden-cost-of-the-gu_b_144992.html

The ugly truth about "Gulf War Illness" is finally out, and it makes shocking reading.

A Congressional report just released this week has concluded that one out of four U.S. soldiers who served in the 1991 war against Iraq suffered serious, long-lasting, or even permanent neurotoxic damage from exposure to drugs and chemicals.

That means 175,000 American GI's out of the 697,000 deployed to the Gulf in 1990-91 were permanently injured in the so-called `bloodless' war that was hailed as a great military triumph.

Until the 20th century, sickness caused by diseases like typhoid and small pox, filthy conditions, cold, and stress usually killed far more soldiers in wartime than combat operations. During the 15th and 16th centuries, the ratio was often five or eight to one. The advent of antibiotics in the 20th century and proper sanitation ended this heavy toll on soldiers in the field.

The U.S. government strongly denied for the past 17 years that there was any such thing as "Gulf War Illness' in spite of mounting medical evidence and angry claims by ailing veterans. Now, Washington has finally admitted "Gulf War Illness" is indeed a specific condition that includes memory loss, lack of concentration, severe headaches, fatigue, and pains in different parts of the body, digestive and respiratory problems and skin eruptions.

The government study also concludes that 'Gulf War Illness' was primarily caused by an anti-nerve gas medication, pyridostigmine bromide, give to all troops in the Gulf Theater, and use of powerful pesticides and insect-repellents like highly concentrated DEET.

Other long-suspect agents, like anthrax vaccines, and exposure of 100,000 U.S. troops to Iraqi poison gas dumps blown up by the U.S. Army, may also have played a role. The study found no link to another suspected culprit, depleted uranium. That is another scandal waiting to be revealed.

A quarter of a million permanently disabled or semi-disabled American veterans from what was supposed to have been a jolly little war in the Gulf is a horrifying figure, both in terms of human suffering and the costs of veteran's care. But this shocking report should also make us reflect on the true costs of supposedly 'low-cost' foreign military adventures.

President George H.W. Bush ordered an unnecessary war against Saddam's occupation of Kuwait. The Iraqi leader, hitherto a close U.S. ally in the joint war against Iran, had rashly invaded Kuwait in a rage after being insulted by the Kuwaiti Crown Prince. As a U.S.-led coalition massed against him in Saudi Arabia, Saddam desperately sought a face-saving way out of the trap.

Shortly before the U.S. attack began, Saddam agreed to a French-Russian deal to withdraw his troops. But President Bush was determined to cut Saddam down to size by destroying most of his armed forces. 'Our' SOB had become too big for his britches.

So Bush Sr. ignored pleas from Paris and Moscow and launched his devastating attack on the doomed, totally outgunned Iraqi Army. Just enough Iraqi Republican Guard troops were allowed to escape from the Kuwait pocket to ensure that a gelded Saddam stayed in power and Iraq's pro-Iranian Shias did not take over.

The U.S. lost a paltry 358 dead and 776 wounded. Over 20,000 Iraqis died. Not since British troops had mowed down some 22,000 sword-wielding Dervishes at the Battle of Omdurman in 1898 had a Western army so dramatically shown its lethal technological might over the armed mobs that passed for Third World armies.

But what seemed like a bloodless triumph produced a long chain of unintended consequences. Iraq was placed under Draconian U.S. sanctions that, according to the UN, caused the death of 500,000 civilians, mostly children. The leading cause of death was water-borne diseases such as cholera and typhoid that spread after Iraq's water purification stations and sewage treatment facilities were targeted and destroyed by the U.S. bombing. After the war, Washington turned down Iraq's pleas for chlorine to purify contaminated water.

No one knows how many Iraqi civilians have died as a result of the 2003 invasion ordered by President George W. Bush. Estimates run from 100,000 to one million. But it is likely that some, or even many, of the 160,000 US troops garrisoned in Iraq have contracted other serious illness in that nation's exceptionally unhealthy environment. Iraq's swamps, rivers, filthy cities, searing heat and clouds of dust are an ideal breeding ground for insects, rats, and all sorts of gastric, eye, and skin disorders.

Once again, while US casualties in Iraq appear relatively low -- around 4,100 dead and 35,000 wounded -- the real health costs of garrisoning Iraq will, as in the case of the First Gulf War, not be known for years. Many wounded US troops have suffered grave head wounds from roadside bombs. The splendid victory of the First Gulf War does not look so cheery when the true number of American casualties is computed: 358 dead and 175,776 wounded. Injuries from toxic agents are often worse and more persistent than those from shells and bullets. A 25% casualty rate in any battle is considered extremely high.

These casualties could have been avoided had President George H.W. Bush chosen diplomacy over vaunting his machismo as a war leader. He did the same thing in tiny Panama after pipsqueak dictator Manuel Noriega mocked the U.S. president. An equally swaggering Bush Jr. chose to plunge the U.S. into the growing morass in Afghanistan and a $1 trillion war in Iraq that is one of the great disasters of American history.

So far, we do not even have a grasp on the sicknesses and mental problems that U.S. troops in Afghanistan are encountering. But if the Soviet occupation is any historic guide, the Red Army's troops suffered widespread physical and mental ailments during their ten-year occupation that many continue to experience to this day. The Afghan occupation also infected Soviet troops with addiction to heroin, a scourge they brought home with them after the war's end.

[Nitro Express]

Iraq and Afghanistan are going to cost unbelievable amounts of money in the long term.

If you look at the figures for the amount of servicemen fucked up and a burden on the state for life now from the first Gulf War which was basically a week long skirmish and scale it up, it could bury you.

It will take all the tax from 5 of you for each of these kids, there will be hundreds of thousands of them and you could be looking at 70 years paying out for it.

Your grandchildren will be paying for all of their working lives.

It's pennies compared to what the banks have stolen.