Who will be the Repuke nominee in 2012?

[FORD]

It's February 2011, so they're going to start coming out of the woodwork soon, like the cockroaches they are. Who will emerge to lead this pack of rabid wolves?

[kwame k]

Did you read that about Trump speaking at the CPAC?

Sounds like he's in.......

[Nitro Express]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGz92kaZUrc

Here's the cocky Donald.

[Seshmeister]

It's time for the Bush family again surely?

[Nitro Express]

I don't think Sarah Palin is going to run. She wasn't at CPAC and she has a pretty good gig at Fox. Maybe she is smart enough to know she won't get the nomination. I can tell you since he's a family friend, you might see Obama's ambassador to China John Huntsman throw his name in.

[Nitro Express]

I think Ron Paul is going to make another run. Since he's too honest, the Republican party will snub him again.

[kwame k]

It's time for the Bush family again surely?

Old Jeb is weighing the pros and cons of whether or not to distance himself from his brother or embrace him......it's a Catch 22 no matter how you look at it and I think The W Legacy will be the death of any chance he has.

[kwame k]

I think Ron Paul is going to make another run. Since he's too honest, the Republican party will snub him again.

Shit, Trump did during his speech.....said he was a nice guy but unelectable.

[FORD]

This is why I listed him as "R - not bloody likely"

[Nitro Express]

Shit, Trump did during his speech.....said he was a nice guy but unelectable.

It's because the Republican Party is corrupt. The last thing they want is the Federal Reserve being audited and banking justice. They are bought and owned by the banks. They are going to back their boy Shit Romney hard.

[Nitro Express]

This is a very good Ron Paul interview with Rachel Maddow.

[FORD]

Apparently the Ron Paul fans at CPAC booed Darth Cheney today and called him a war criminal. :biggrin:

[Dr. Love]

Yeeeeargh!!

[Seshmeister]

With my limited knowledge of US politics there isn't a decent candidate at the moment.

It is crazy though this system whereby people spend as much time campaigning as they do actually doing the fucking job. It seems to me it came about prior to mass communication, the primaries and election should be compressed down to 12 weeks max.

[kwame k]

Seems to me with my limited knowledge of US politics there isn't a decent candidate at the moment.

It is crazy though this system whereby people spend as much time campaigning as they do actually doing the fucking job. It seems to me it came about prior to mass communication, the primaries and election should be compressed down to 12 weeks max.

I agree and it should never cost a hundred million for a job that pays a hundred thousand a year.

[Seshmeister]

Old Jeb is weighing the pros and cons of whether or not to distance himself from his brother or embrace him......it's a Catch 22 no matter how you look at it and I think The W Legacy will be the death of any chance he has.

Yeah I was half joking. Maybe not impossible in 10 years or so.

I was reading how just having a surname of Kennedy can get you 10% or more in elections even if you are no relation.

[kwame k]

Yeah I was half joking. Maybe not impossible in 10 years or so.

I was reading how just having a surname of Kennedy can get you 10% or more in elections even if you are no relation.

I'm looking for the article right now but the other consideration for old Jeb was he'll be too old to wait much longer.

[Seshmeister]

I agree and it should never cost a hundred million for a job that pays a hundred thousand a year.

Who is going to campaign for that idea though?

The media who make millions from advertising or the lobby groups who pay for it and so get their in?

[Nitro Express]

Seems to me with my limited knowledge of US politics there isn't a decent candidate at the moment.

It is crazy though this system whereby people spend as much time campaigning as they do actually doing the fucking job. It seems to me it came about prior to mass communication, the primaries and election should be compressed down to 12 weeks max.

Obama never stopped campaigning. That's his strongest asset. He's a good campaigner. Yeah, television ruined the whole process I'm afraid and unless you are an actor with a lot of corporate money behind you, you don't stand a chance. The Federal policies are now breaking the states to where the states want a constitutional convention. We are five states short. That means the states can change the constitution and put some mandates that make corporate campaign sponsorship illegal and things like that.

It's going to get interesting because I think the campaign process as it is now is too rigged.

[Seshmeister]

I'm looking for the article right now but the other consideration for old Jeb was he'll be too old to wait much longer.


It's for the best. Over the last 12 years FORD has kind of become a part of the background to my life so I would hate see him drop dead of a stroke... :)

[Seshmeister]

Obama never stopped campaigning. That's his strongest asset. He's a good campaigner. Yeah, television ruined the whole process I'm afraid and unless you are an actor with a lot of corporate money behind you, you don't stand a chance.

You can make a very strong argument that the few half decent leaders we've had in the last 100 years wouldn't have a prayer of being elected now.

It's an intolerable process that and we end up with only the kind of people that can survive it. Some people say that it is a good way to thoroughly test them but I think you are testing them in the wrong way. It's like choosing the Davis Cup team using a table tennis tournament, there is a little cross over of skills but there has to be a better way.

[sadaist]

Donald Trump is getting a lot of quiet hype right now. I can see him shaking up the whole thing. I think it would be great if he ran. Just to bring up some great issues & call out all the other Republicans in the debates and make them look stupid about anything financially related.

[ELVIS]

I might consider supporting Donald Trump...

[Seshmeister]

You would need to make sure he really loves the baby Jesus first though.

[ELVIS]

No, I want a smart business person in the Oval Office...

[Seshmeister]

Jesus said that rich men will burn in hell.

[kwame k]

It's for the best. Over the last 12 years FORD has kind of become a part of the background to my life so I would hate see him drop dead of a stroke... :)

:lmao: well....FORD can rest easy. Jeb's out http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/02/08/6012487-jeb-bush-2012-run-is-not-happening

[Nitro Express]

Trump is the only one who has the guts to call China out. I don't know where he stands on auditing the Federal Reserve. I like his no nonsense about ending the wars. Trump is pro choice and probably pro gay rights. That will hurt him with the far right. I would say Trump is more of a progressive Liberatarian than a Republican who is pro war and anti abortion. Trump could do well with the swing vote.

[kwame k]

Who is going to campaign for that idea though?

The media who make millions from advertising or the lobby groups who pay for it and so get their in?

All the while screwing the American people.....now there's a platform I'd like to see......Hell, I'd probably vote for anyone who has the balls to say that.

[ELVIS]

Jesus said that rich men will burn in hell.

That's bullshit...

[Seshmeister]

Good point.

I should have said the Jesus character in the Bible is supposed to have said that rich men will burn in hell.

[Nitro Express]

Jesus said that rich men will burn in hell.

Talk about getting fired.:biggrin:

[kwame k]

Donald Trump is getting a lot of quiet hype right now. I can see him shaking up the whole thing. I think it would be great if he ran. Just to bring up some great issues & call out all the other Republicans in the debates and make them look stupid about anything financially related.

The press would rip him apart during the vetting.

[Nitro Express]

I bet if Trump gave you some free fillet minion you would vote for him.

[ace diamond]

since i'm a GOP member, i'll weigh in here.
i don't give 2 flying fucking shits for anyone on that poll.
none of them have the slightest chance of beating barack obama.

i'm going to remain reserved as to whom i will support for now.
i don't like the current crop of potential candidates.

[ELVIS]

Good point.

I should have said the Jesus character in the Bible is supposed to have said that rich men will burn in hell.

Still bullshit...

[Nitro Express]

Donald Trump could get everyone educated as well.:biggrin:

[Seshmeister]

Matthew 19:23-24
Matthew 6:24

Boom I win! :)

Also is this the best time to be electing a president who has filed for bankruptcy twice already? Could give out the wrong signal...

[Nitro Express]

Donald Trump is getting a lot of quiet hype right now. I can see him shaking up the whole thing. I think it would be great if he ran. Just to bring up some great issues & call out all the other Republicans in the debates and make them look stupid about anything financially related.

Donald Trump is a good negotiator a key skill for being president.
Donald Trump is tough. A great asset in today's slimey world.
Donald Trump understands finance. Most politicians don't.
Donald Trump has been successful on television and understands the media.
Donald Trump avoided bankruptsy and rebuilt his business that was billions of dollars in the red back into a successful company. He was smart and realized the brand was more valuable than the actual company and sold it worldwide and went into franchising.

[Nitro Express]

This is actually a good interview from several years back if you want to see what Donald Trump is about on political issues.

[Nitro Express]

[FORD]

That's bullshit...

When was the last time you saw a camel pass through the eye of a needle?

[ELVIS]

I know what Jesus said and Sesh is wrong and you're twisting scripture as usual...

[ULTRAMAN VH]

I think its a damn shame Paul Ryan of Wisconsin is not showing any interest in the Presidency.

[Seshmeister]

I know what Jesus said and Sesh is wrong and you're twisting scripture as usual...

It's there in black and white. The people who have been twisting it ever since the goatherds made it up are those in control who by an amazing coincidence usually tend to be rich.

[kwame k]

I know what Jesus said and Sesh is wrong and you're twisting scripture as usual...

Think Jesus and the Bible were pretty clear on what they thought of the rich and poor....

"Jesus answered, 'If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.'" -Matthew 19:21

"Then Jesus said to his disciples, 'I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.'"-Matthew 19:23-24

"Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.' They also will answer, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?' He will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least among you, you did not do for me.'"-Matthew 25:41-45

"No one can serve two masters. Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and Money."-Matthew 6:24

"If a man shuts his ears to the cry of the poor, he too will cry out and not be answered."-Proverbs 21:13

"Speak up for those who cannot speak for themselves, for the rights of all who are destitute. Speak up and judge fairly; defend the rights of the poor and needy."-Proverbs 31:8-9

"He who mocks the poor shows contempt for their Maker; whoever gloats over disaster will not go unpunished."-Proverbs 17:5

"He who oppresses the poor to increase his wealth and he who gives gifts to the rich--both come to poverty."-Proverbs 22:16

"People who want to get rich fall into temptation and a trap and into many foolish and harmful desires that plunge men into ruin and destruction. For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs."-1 Timothy 6:9-10

"He who gives to the poor will lack nothing, but he who closes his eyes to them receives many curses."-Proverbs 28:27

Seems like they were fucking Socialists to me........liberal commie bastards!

[kwame k]

It's there in black and white. The people who have been twisting it ever since the goatherds made it up are those in control who by an amazing coincidence usually tend to be rich.

....and usually have gained their wealth on the backs of the poor. The True Church, made a fucking killing off of the poor.......

[Nitro Express]

If money is so evil, how come all the church's want it?

[Seshmeister]

It's a really fucking inconvenient bit of the bible. It's also kind of typical of how badly it's been written for the work of a supreme being.

Bear with me here... :)

Take it from the top.


17 And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life? 18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

Jesus is says he isn't purely good and isn't God. Hmm...

Then we get the zinger.


19 Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother. 20 And he answered and said unto him, Master, all these have I observed from my youth. 21 Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.

22 And he was sad at that saying, and went away grieved: for he had great possessions.

23 And Jesus looked round about, and saith unto his disciples, How hardly shall they that have riches enter into the kingdom of God! 24 And the disciples were astonished at his words. But Jesus answereth again, and saith unto them, Children, how hard is it for them that trust in riches to enter into the kingdom of God! 25 It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

A few quick points.

Jesus goes for 6 commandments not 10 and adds an extra new no fraud one on himself which I bet Trump would stumble at. :)

What you would expect Jesus to say is that the other thing you need to do for eternal life is to believe in him - that's the manifesto the church uses.

But no what he says here is to give away all your stuff which is horribly inconvenient. He doesn't say that you have to be poor compared to people around you or the world in general. If it's the second then everyone in the West has had it. Either way Trump has no chance. :)

[Seshmeister]

.....

[kwame k]

If money is so evil, how come all the church's want it?

Because silly.....they're the only ones who can handle the temptation and use it for God's will.

You know like buying expensive suits to look good on Sunday and have nice shinny cars to drive to the Church to preach.......

A vow of poverty is for the poor sheep of the flock and not for the leaders.......would God want your preacher to be poor and poorly dressed?

[hambon4lif]

If money is so evil, how come all the church's want it?....ya' gotta love it when a question answers itself....

[ELVIS]

You can quote the bible out of context all day, big deal...

I understand how stubborn nonbelievers interpret it, and so does God...

[Seshmeister]

What would make my quote in context?

Do I need to put on a funny hat or something? :)

[kwame k]

You can quote the bible out of context all day, big deal...

I understand how stubborn nonbelievers interpret it, and so does God...

How and out of what context? It's all over the Bible that you should help the poor and those who profit from neglecting the poor or turn a blind eye to the plight of the poor are shunned in God's eyes.

What Bible are you reading and who in the hell is interpreting it for you that on one of the most consistent themes throughout the entire Bible you seem to disagree with?

[kwame k]

What would make my quote in context?

Do I need to put on a funny hat or something? :)

It does help but the flowing robes are the clincher.

A really expensive suit helps.....if you're not of The True Church and believe in one of the heathen offshoots.

[ELVIS]

It doesn't say let the government take your money to be redistributed to the poor...

[Jesus Christ]

That's where the "Give unto Caesar" part comes in, Gregory.

And yes, I think I know what I meant by My own words. :jesuslol:

[SunisinuS]

That's where the "Give unto Caesar" part comes in, Gregory.

And yes, I think I know what I meant by My own words. :jesuslol:

But there is only one Zod.

[kwame k]

It doesn't say let the government take your money to be redistributed to the poor...

Even though that's what would Jesus would do.......how Christ like of you!

[ELVIS]

You're a ree tart...

[Jesus Christ]

What Gregory fails to realize is that thy government is currently "redistributing" thy money to the rich. And that definitely is against My teachings.

[kwame k]

That's where the "Give unto Caesar" part comes in, Gregory.

And yes, I think I know what I meant by My own words. :jesuslol:

Apparently not, Your Most Holiness......

Not criticizing but......maybe if you didn't speak in parables there wouldn't be so much room for "interpretation".

[Jesus Christ]

Apparently not, Your Most Holiness......

Not criticizing but......maybe if you didn't speak in parables there wouldn't be so much room for "interpretation".

It's a Jewish thing.... back in the day, that's how all the Rabbis did it. :jesuslol:

[SunisinuS]

It's a Jewish thing.... back in the day, that's how all the Rabbis did it. :jesuslol:

Not to totally hijacketh the thread...but...since you are here... Could you please do something about Rap? Something in the area of Smiting it? The Devil has ruled the airwaves with it nigh on ten years and the faithul are suffering O Lord.

[PETE'S BROTHER]

yeah, smite that shit...

[kwame k]

It's a Jewish thing.... back in the day, that's how all the Rabbis did it. :jesuslol:

Wait a minute......you're Jewish?

[Jagermeister]

Barack Obama (R - he's doing our agenda anyway. Why not?)


:biggrin: That's funny. The centerest pres got his wittle ass spanked in line by the voters.

[Seshmeister]

It doesn't say let the government take your money to be redistributed to the poor...

Who said anything about the government?

You and Donald need to sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor.

What kind of MacBook have you got? I see some are going for $3000 on eBay...

[Seshmeister]

It's amazing how 'sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor' in it's proper context becomes 'make as much money as you can and give 1% to the poor if your accountant says it is advantageous to your tax position.'

[Jesus Christ]

It's amazing how 'sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor' in it's proper context becomes 'make as much money as you can and give 1% to the poor if your accountant says it is advantageous to your tax position.'

Verily.......

It's also amazing how a non-believer like thyself can understand My teachings better than some of My alleged "disciples" can :(

[kwame k]

It's amazing how 'sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor' in it's proper context becomes 'make as much money as you can and give 1% to the poor if your accountant says it is advantageous to your tax position.'

That's Biblical, right there but I thought we were supposed to give 10% to the True Church. Not sure if that's before or after taxes.

[Nitro Express]

Jesus sounds like a Democrat. The Republicans should tell him to get fucked.:biggrin:

[kwame k]

Jesus sounds like a Democrat. The Republicans should tell him to get fucked.:biggrin:

They do every day by their actions.......

[Nitro Express]

Repent! Jesus is cumming! :wanker:

[Seshmeister]

Jesus sounds like a Democrat. The Republicans should tell him to get fucked.:biggrin:

A Democrat?

He's a dangerous fucking Marxist. Personally I don't think his ideas work in practice in the real world...

[Nitro Express]

They do every day by their actions.......

Well the Democrats like to kill babies and make the tax payer pay for it. At least when the Republicans kill babies they pay for it on their own and aren't proud of it.:biggrin:

[Nitro Express]

A Democrat?

He's a dangerous fucking Marxist. Personally I don't think his ideas work in practice in the real world...

Yeah. He sounds really naive. A person like that doesn't fit in with the immoral majority so no wonder they got rid of him.

[Seshmeister]

That's Biblical, right there but I thought we were supposed to give 10% to the True Church. Not sure if that's before or after taxes.

The 10% tithe was a Jewish thing and Jews being practical about such things specified it was on your gross income.

The Christian churches said that since God hadn't specifically cancelled (in writing?) the tithe rule then they considered that the system should continue and that they should now get the cash rather than the synagogue.

It's amazing how funny some of this stuff sounds when you say it out loud. There are a lot of atheists in the world who were believers, decided to actually read the bible to strengthen their faith and that's when it all fell apart... :)

[Nitro Express]

The 10% tithe was a Jewish thing and Jews being practical about such things specified it was on your gross income.

The Christian churches said that since God hadn't specifically cancelled (in writing?) the tithe rule then they considered that the system should continue and that they should now get the cash rather than the synagogue.

It's amazing how funny some of this stuff sounds when you say it out loud. There are a lot of atheists in the world who were believers, decided to actually read the bible to strengthen their faith and that's when it all fell apart... :)

That's what happened to me. Read the scriptures with an open mind tossing the church dogma and tradition aside and you see it was just a bunch of traditions and stories put together and sold. I choose to be an agnostic because I don't even have enough faith to be an atheist. :biggrin:

[Seshmeister]

Yeah I use atheist as a shorthand. Even Richard Dawkins describes himself as technically agnostic.

[Seshmeister]

Anyhoo I realise this has got a bit off topic it's just I find it amusing and typically inconsistent of the born again types to support someone who has so strongly devoted his life to the unholy worship of Mammon.

[Jagermeister]

That's what happened to me. Read the scriptures with an open mind tossing the church dogma and tradition aside and you see it was just a bunch of traditions and stories put together and sold. I choose to be an agnostic because I don't even have enough faith to be an atheist. :biggrin:

I saw in the latest issue of The Black Music Journal (i.e Rolling Stone) that lil wayne read the bible while he was in Jail. Pretty funny article actually. Had the N word about every other word.

[Nitro Express]

I have pretty low expectations because I view this world as hell. I have no fear in going to hell because I'm already in hell. We must be paying off some kind of bad karma from a previous life and if Sammy Hagar is your daddy, you must have anally raped, killed, and eaten children in your previous existance.

[Seshmeister]

Well that certainly explains your recent bright outlook. :)

[kwame k]

The 10% tithe was a Jewish thing and Jews being practical about such things specified it was on your gross income.

The Christian churches said that since God hadn't specifically cancelled (in writing?) the tithe rule then they considered that the system should continue and that they should now get the cash rather than the synagogue.

It's amazing how funny some of this stuff sounds when you say it out loud. There are a lot of atheists in the world who were believers, decided to actually read the bible to strengthen their faith and that's when it all fell apart... :)

Yeah....that's what happened to me but even in Proverbs it goes on and on about knowledge being a good thing.

If you put the Bible into historical context it makes perfect sense for the times and a great tool to control the masses but trying to reconcile organized religion of today with the Bible. Doesn't add up.

[sadaist]

I saw in the latest issue of The Black Music Journal (i.e Rolling Stone) that lil wayne read the bible while he was in Jail. Pretty funny article actually. Had the N word about every other word.


"N"azereth?


:hee:

[ELVIS]

A tool to control the masses, eh ??

[kwame k]

A tool to control the masses, eh ??

Yeah...I was wrong!

Not like The Mother Church used it's power, money and influence to control Monarchs and world events:umm:

[ELVIS]

Catholicism is far removed from true faith in Jesus Christ...

[kwame k]

Really....the First Church founded by one of Jesus' disciples.........

How 'bout we take one of the purer religions..

Protestantism? Nope, built off the True Church!

Lutheranism? Nope, built off the True Church and Protestantism!

Baptists? Nope, built off of Protestantism which was built off the True Church!

Quick question.....If the Bible is the True Word of God, unedited and unsoiled by man.....why is there The King James Version? Shouldn't there be only one.

[hambon4lif]

Really....the First Church founded by one of Jesus' disciples.........

How 'bout we take one of the purer religions..

Protestantism? Nope, built off the True Church!

Lutheranism? Nope, built off the True Church and Protestantism!

Baptists? Nope, built off of Protestantism which was built off the True Church!

Quick question.....If the Bible is the True Word of God, unedited and unsoiled by man.....why is there The King James Version? Shouldn't there be only one.I have another question. Wasn't the "New Testament" translated by lezbos?

[kwame k]

Slow down there......don't confuse the poor boy with translation issues.

[FORD]

Catholicism is far removed from true faith in Jesus Christ...

As is Protestantism, Mormonism, and every other modern day interpretation of "Christianity".

The actual faith as it was established by JC more than likely died with the last of His original Disciples. Paul altered it considerably, and the Romans mutated the Hell out of Paul's version.

That's why I don't have much use for any organized religion. They all rely on the doctrines of man (usually complete with right wing political agendas) and not on the teachings of Jesus Christ.

[FORD]

I have another question. Wasn't the "New Testament" translated by lezbos?

Just the New International Version. And the King James version was translated on orders of a gay king.

[fifth element]

Quick question.....If the Bible is the True Word of God, unedited and unsoiled by man.....why is there The King James Version? .

because it has been touched by man.

[FORD]

Quick question.....If the Bible is the True Word of God, unedited and unsoiled by man.....why is there The King James Version? Shouldn't there be only one.

Because who the fuck speaks Aramaic anymore??

[fifth element]

lol...exactly

[ELVIS]

Protestantism? Nope, built off the True Church!



Yep, non-denominal protestant lines up closest with the scripture of Christ as far as I am concerned...

[Terry]

I can't really see any of the people in the poll choices having much of a chance at the nomination, much less beating Obama.

The only one that comes close is Mittens, but he's been plugging away at it for so long and coming up short that he has a reek of perpetual loser desperation odor about him: I mean, his current poll numbers are not a good sign for a guy who has essentially been campaigning for the nomination since 2006.

[kwame k]

Because who the fuck speaks Aramaic anymore??

Aramaic......yes, Jesus spoke it but he may of spoken Greek too and maybe a Gospel was written in it.......the OT was written in a Northwest Semitic language group, Hebrew but not the NT.

Take the different variations from the Greek, Latin and the English Bibles, why are there Canonized versions and others versions excluded? Why can't the Catholics and Protestants agree on a version?

There is no original Bible, it's gone through thousands of changes by man.

So how can it be the true word of God?

[kwame k]

Yep, non-denominal protestant lines up closest with the scripture of Christ as far as I am concerned...

So you believe in a sub-cult version:headlights:

[ELVIS]

No...

[Nitro Express]

Jesus is a greek and not hebrew. Translated it means "Son of Zeus'. So it's a pagan name. Nobody knows what the real name was. Jesus is just Greek for son of god.

[Nitro Express]

Catholicism is far removed from true faith in Jesus Christ...

Very True. In 1978 after exiting the Sistine Chapel me and my sister went exploring. What we noticed was there was a lot of Egyptian and sun type symbolism; especially in the papal palace area. We thought that was weird. Our little adventure ended when one of the Swiss guards put an end of it and took us back to our parents. All Constantine did was mix the old Roman sun god worship with christianity. It's a little of this and a little of that. Basically, it's the remains of the roman empire more than a church.

[FORD]

Jesus is a greek and not hebrew. Translated it means "Son of Zeus'. So it's a pagan name. Nobody knows what the real name was. Jesus is just Greek for son of god.

His real name is Yeshuah.

[SunisinuS]

http://d.yimg.com/a/p/afp/20110212/capt.photo_1297476035969-1-0.jpg?x=400&y=266&q=85&sig=lOcTUPWqLMXisOF9mP.JSg--

[FORD]

OK, time to give this thread a necropost kick with updated info.......

Huckster - OUT

Trump - OUT

Mitch PharmaShill - OUT

Tim the Bridge Killer - IN (as of tomorrow)

Newt - IN (but not likely to last long, given the hatred for him coming from his own party)

Batshit Bachmann - IN? (announcement expected this week)

Then there's the Godfather's pizza guy, who I can't imagine going very far, since his only claim to fame is a pizza chain that no longer exists (at least nowhere within a day's drive from here) And the "other" (not Romney) Mormon guy Huntsman or whatever his name is. Probably will be considered too "librul" for the Repuke establishment, since he did work for the Obamadministration for a while.

Anybody else officially IN or OUT that I forgot?

[Dr. Love]

http://failheap-challenge.com/images/smilies/obama.png

[kwame k]

OK, time to give this thread a necropost kick with updated info.......

Huckster - OUT

Trump - OUT

Mitch PharmaShill - OUT

Tim the Bridge Killer - IN (as of tomorrow)

Newt - IN (but not likely to last long, given the hatred for him coming from his own party)

Batshit Bachmann - IN? (announcement expected this week)

Then there's the Godfather's pizza guy, who I can't imagine going very far, since his only claim to fame is a pizza chain that no longer exists (at least nowhere within a day's drive from here) And the "other" (not Romney) Mormon guy Huntsman or whatever his name is. Probably will be considered too "librul" for the Repuke establishment, since he did work for the Obamadministration for a while.

Anybody else officially IN or OUT that I forgot?

Palin?????

[LoungeMachine]

Catholicism is far removed from true faith in Jesus Christ...



Yeah, so are you.....



:gulp:

[Nitro Express]

Too early to tell. Obama's ambassador to China Hunstsman may run on the Republican ticket. I know his family and they are decent people. I was treated at their cancer center a few years back. His dad founded Huntsman Chemical and has donated a ton of money for cancer research.

The problem is the Republican Party is corrupt. They won't give a non-bought off candidate the time of day. The sad thing is candidates run as Republicans because it's the only way they can get on all the ballots.

[Nickdfresh]

Mittens!

[Nitro Express]

It's still too early to tell who it will be. Mitt isn't that popular due to his record in Massachusetts.

[Seshmeister]

It's disappointing that Trump gave up so early, there could have been some good laughs if he had done a proper campaign. I guess we'll just have to hope for Bachmann.

We need a candidate who sits on the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence.:lmao:

[sadaist]

I can't help but really like Herman Cain. The guy is great. He won't win, but he sure is fun to watch right now.

[Seshmeister]

He must really confuse ELVIS, a conservative superstitious black man. :)

I'm amazed he's still alive after getting liver cancer, whoever he had as VP would be crucial...

[binnie]

Do the Republicans have much of a chance?

[Seshmeister]

Bookmakers have it Democrats: 8/15 Republicans: 7/4 and those guys aren't usually too far off or they don't last long.

[FORD]

Jim "RimJob" Robinson of the teabagger site "Free Republic" adds his "insight" (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2725798/posts)to the 2012 Repuke nominee contest.......


Posted on 05/26/2011 8:31:29 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

NOTICE: FR DOES NOT AND WILL NOT SUPPORT ABORTIONIST, GAY RIGHTS PUSHING BIG GOVERNMENT STATISTS FOR PRESIDENT!!

This message is intended for those posters on FR who seem to have missed my prior statements in this regard and insist on advocating for these bastards.

I'd rather shut the place down than be involved in any effort to install abortionist/gay rights pushing RINOS like Romney or Giuliani into the White House!!

Do NOT push this crap on FR. Take your business elsewhere!! And I don't care how long you've been here!!

YeeeeeHaaaaw!! :lmao:

[Nitro Express]

It's disappointing that Trump gave up so early, there could have been some good laughs if he had done a proper campaign. I guess we'll just have to hope for Bachmann.

We need a candidate who sits on the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence.:lmao:

Bachmann knows her stuff when it comes to the financial bit. She's a tax lawyer. She just doesn't know basic US History or what's really in the US Constitution. She is great when she goes into the fiscal side of things, she just doesn't seem to know the basics of what the country was founded on.:biggrin:

As far a Trump goes, I was so looking forward to him duking it out in the public eye. I don't know why but I find him entertaining; especially, when he starts ripping people. I think if Trump would have gone after Obama on the issues instead the birth certificate and grades he probably would still be running. The thing is if you question Obama's birthplace or whether he got special treatment you open yourself to being slagged as a racist. I mean Obama has been one hypocritical SOB and a complete fraud and fake. He's easy to nail on the issues. Just bring up what he campaigned on and then say, well Mr. President, it's interesting to note you have done the complete opposite. Obama's record is so horrible you don't even need to bother with why he keeps so much of his past hidden and protected.

[Seshmeister]

Looks like Palin may run which would be brilliant news for comedy.

[Terry]

Looks like Palin may run which would be brilliant news for comedy.

Palin has nothing to lose by waiting to declare, as long as her poll numbers are hovering in the low teens and she's within striking distance of Mittens.

In many ways, she's better off hanging back and letting the dust clear a bit; let Gingrich continue to fade into obscurity, let Mitt flounder and remain static. If she announces now (presuming Palin would run in a SERIOUS attempt to actually win the presidency), she' s either gonna be in a situation where her numbers have nowhere to go but down from the day she announces, or she's gonna peak and plateau too soon. The latter scenario would be disasterous if she peaked without overtaking Mitt.

I hope she does enter the fray at some point. She'd be good for a few more laughs.

[Warham]

I'm sure Obama is a shoe-in regardless of who the Republican nominee is. Look at his long list of accomplishments during his first two years in office. Fixing the economy, getting jobs back in the private sector, getting the debt under control, keeping gas prices low, etc.

[Terry]

Yes, but events can always overtake him...it's still a long way between now and Nov. 2012.

Put it this way: had the economy NOT melted down in Sept. 2008, would Obama still have won?

[Warham]

I think Obama won for three major reasons:

1. People were tired of George W. Bush. The wars and the economy helped Obama.
2. Obama is a great campaigner. He was able to talk in great generalities and raise a metric ton of cash.
3. He was a historical candidate. He was the first black president. Remember Geraldine Ferraro's remark in September, 2008? ""If Obama was a white man, he would not be in this position". Even Joe Biden commented on how "articulate, bright and clean" Obama was, showing just how impressed he was with the Senator from Illinois.*

If you actually look at his accomplishments prior to becoming president, he was a weak candidate. He had no executive experience in any capacity, had few legislative achievements, and had associations with some very shady and unscrupulous individuals that stood out like a sore thumb.

*Democrats always chastise Republicans for being racist. Har-de-har-har.

[Nickdfresh]

Looks like Palin may run which would be brilliant news for comedy.

She's "running" to keep herself in the limelight for her brand--probably is more likely to run for the replacement of Oprah than anything...

[Nickdfresh]

I think Obama won for three major reasons:

1. People were tired of George W. Bush. The wars and the economy helped Obama.

True.


2. Obama is a great campaigner. He was able to talk in great generalities and raise a metric ton of cash.

He still is, he's over one billion in hi$ war che$t...


3. He was a historical candidate. He was the first black president. Remember Geraldine Ferraro's remark in September, 2008? ""If Obama was a white man, he would not be in this position". Even Joe Biden commented on how "articulate, bright and clean" Obama was, showing just how impressed he was with the Senator from Illinois.*

Yeah, sure was an enchanting and charming niche after people voting for a stupid white man...


If you actually look at his accomplishments prior to becoming president, he was a weak candidate. He had no executive experience in any capacity, had few legislative achievements, and had associations with some very shady and unscrupulous individuals that stood out like a sore thumb.

Not true, you can say what you want, but Obama has been one of the most ambitious presidents in history when you count the bailouts and the stabilization of the U.S. economy, healthcare reform, reforms on excessive military spending, use of technology in gov't, and the killing of Bin Laden...


*Democrats always chastise Republicans for being racist. Har-de-har-har.

I don't think they always do. In fact, the dirty little secret is that the Republicans in Congress nearly always want to hump Obama's leg when they actually meet him...

[lesfunk]

The question for me is not "will I vote for Obama?". I won't.
The question is "would I be willing to vote for any of these clowns?". Probably Not.
We love to get exited and vigorously discuss national politics but Local politics have much more real influence on our daily lives. Many (myself included) don't pay enough attention to what goes on in their own backyard

[Seshmeister]

We love to get exited ...

Well it's better than being entered... :)

[ThrillsNSpills]

Looks like Palin may run which would be brilliant news for comedy.

almost as funny as watching the right blame Clinton for Bush's crap in this forum a few years back. :)

[ThrillsNSpills]

She's "running" to keep herself in the limelight for her brand--probably is more likely to run for the replacement of Oprah than anything...

btw, congrats to all the oprah haters on her show ending.

If Palin gets a show it will be named Gotcha.

[ThrillsNSpills]

Winfrey was originally named "Orpah" after the Biblical character in the Book of Ruth, but her family and friends "didn't know how to pronounce it", and called her "Oprah" instead

[chefcraig]

Winfrey was originally named "Orpah" after the Biblical character in the Book of Ruth, but her family and friends "didn't know how to pronounce it", and called her "Oprah" instead

I thought she was named after this guy, but whomever signed the birth certificate was dyslexic.


http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a341/mpagano12/Harpo-Marx.jpg

[hideyoursheep]

No, I want a smart business person in the Oval Office...

So, you voted for Perot in 92?

[hideyoursheep]

Bachman-Boehner Overdrive.....:biggrin:

[jhale667]

almost as funny as watching the right blame Clinton for Bush's crap in this forum a few years back. :)


Oh, remember that? Every other post was "But Clinton..." :lmao:

[FORD]

Yeah I think Warham and Brian were in competition for a while to see who could say "But Clinton" the most times in any given thread. And it didn't even matter if there was any relevance to Clinton or his administration in the thread or not. :biggrin:

[ThrillsNSpills]

Then there was that classic hit:

But Barry reads a teleprompter.

Barry reads a teleprompter.

barry reads a teleprompter.

http://wendyusuallywanders.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/parrot.jpg

[Terry]

almost as funny as watching the right blame Clinton for Bush's crap in this forum a few years back. :)

In the runup to the 2008 election, some of my republican friends said that they were voting for McCain because he would be a direct continuation of the "strong national defense policies W instituted...policies that kept America safe," to which I replied "well, except for that one time."
"What time was that?"
"You know, September 11th, 2001."
That answer got me a 10 minute stream-of-consciousness rant of dubious logic to which the jist of it claimed that W had no responsibility whatsoever for 9/11 because it "was ALL Clinton's fault."

[FORD]

In the runup to the 2008 election, some of my republican friends said that they were voting for McCain because he would be a direct continuation of the "strong national defense policies W instituted...policies that kept America safe," to which I replied "well, except for that one time."
"What time was that?"
"You know, September 11th, 2001."
That answer got me a 10 minute stream-of-consciousness rant of dubious logic to which the jist of it claimed that W had no responsibility whatsoever for 9/11 because it "was ALL Clinton's fault."


Anytime a Repuke tries to tell you that 9-11 was Clinton's fault, just show them this.......


"The State Department officially released its annual terrorism report

just a little more than an hour ago, but unlike last year, there's no

extensive mention of alleged terrorist mastermind Osama bin Laden. A

senior State Department official tells CNN the U.S. government made a

mistake in focusing so much energy on bin Laden and 'personalizing

terrorism.'"



-- CNN, 4/30/2001.

[FORD]

Not to mention that whole thing about his family being business partners with the BCE since the 1960's, or Poppy's CIA training Osama how to be a terrorist.

[Nitro Express]

I think the Clintons just hooked their wagon to whoever paid them the most whether is was Rockefeller or the Bush organization. When Bill was president the Clintons came to Jackson Hole several times staying at Lawrence Rockefeller's ranch and then after the presidency they go to New York and live up by David Rockefeller. Rumor is the Rockefellers bought a home for the Clintons. David Rockefeller and Bush were always pushing for a North America Union and Bill got NAFTA and deregulated the banks. It's pretty obvious Bill was in it for perks and money and not any real kind of Democrat idealology. I mean all the social and environmental programs these Democrats push turn out to benefit the corporations and not the citizen. They just wrap it up in rehtoric to appeal to the voting base.

[ThrillsNSpills]

They just wrap it up in rehtoric to appeal to the voting base.

Verbal opium for the useless eaters.

[Warham]

Yeah I think Warham and Brian were in competition for a while to see who could say "But Clinton" the most times in any given thread. And it didn't even matter if there was any relevance to Clinton or his administration in the thread or not. :biggrin:

Nobody has you beat, FORD. Your "BCE" stuff is comedy gold around here.

[Warham]

I will say this about Slick Willie. If we graded him on the Obama curve, he'd get an A+ for his eight years.

[FORD]

Nobody has you beat, FORD. Your "BCE" stuff is comedy gold around here.

I don't consider what the BCE has done to this country over the last century to be funny at all :(