View Full Version : Stalin-Style U.S. Public Education
BigBadBrian
03-01-2011, 08:12 AM
LINK (http://townhall.com/columnists/chucknorris/2011/03/01/stalin-style_us_public_education/page/full/)
I love teachers. I really do. And I'm sure that most are overworked and underpaid. Certainly, no one is getting rich from teaching kids. I applaud the hardworking teachers across this land.
But, as has happened in Wisconsin, when teachers unions muscle legislators like the Mafia and Democrats abandon their voting posts because they don't like projected outcomes, haven't we abandoned the very foundational principles of our republic? Where were the "be civil" mainstream media police last Friday morning, when union demonstrators screamed at legislators on the floor of the Wisconsin Assembly while they voted?
More proof of union dominance and monopoly came out Feb. 22, when Wisconsin's Government Accountability Board released a report that disclosed the top 10 lobbying groups in the state. Look who is at the top of the list:
1) Wisconsin Education Association Council, 7,239 hours, $1,511,272
2) Wisconsin Insurance Alliance, 1,427 hours, $777,430
3) Forest County Potawatomi Community, 1,492 hours, $756,512
4) Altria Client Services Inc., 1,321 hours, $755,733
5) Wisconsin Hospital Association, 5,126 hours, $605,033
6) Wisconsin Petroleum Marketers and Convenience Store Association, 1,379 hours, $560,544
7) Wisconsin Manufacturers & Commerce, 4,967 hours, $508,023
8) RAI Services Co., 186 hours, $466,253
9) Wisconsin Independent Businesses Inc., 7,939 hours, $458,414
10) Wisconsin Energy Corp., 1,547 hours, $387,222
The Wisconsin Education Association Council leads the pack of lobbyists, spending two times as much and five times the amount of time as its closest lobbying competitor in order to buy, bribe and bamboozle legislators to do as it wants.
What also chaps my hide is that a gigantic chunk of the WEAC's gangster money and time is used to lobby against alternative choices in schools (including charter schools) and against tuition tax credit programs, which aid parents in sending their children to private schools.
The fact is that teachers union-sponsored protests spreading the land are not primarily about the teachers or the students. They are about the unions and feds maintaining their Mafia-style rule over education and our kids and preventing people from choosing educational alternatives.
Or are we naive enough to believe that Richard Trumka, president of the AFL-CIO, is stopping by the White House repeatedly for just tea and crumpets even though he admitted this past week: "I'm at the White House a couple times a week. ... I have conversations every day with someone in the White House or in the administration"?
It brings me back to that bully educational manifesto of President Barack Obama's secretary of education, Arne Duncan, who explained in an NPR interview, "I'm a big believer in choice and competition, but I think we can do that within the public-school framework."
There's something that the U.S. government and unions don't want you to know. And it came out a short time ago in a Heritage Foundation report on education. It conveys the general public's increasing dissatisfaction with public education and tells of the rising number of people opting for private education.
The report explains that during the 2007 and 2008 legislative sessions, 44 states introduced school-choice legislation. Forty-four states! And in 2008, choices for private school were enacted into law or expanded in Arizona, Utah, Georgia, Florida, Louisiana and Pennsylvania. And as of 2009, 14 states and Washington, D.C., offered voucher or education tax credit programs.
Despite the growing public preference for private education, however, Congress last year canceled the District of Columbia's Opportunity Scholarship Program, created in 2004 to offer students from low-income families in the nation's capital an opportunity to join the school voucher community. The law provided $14 million in scholarships to help pay tuition at private schools of their choosing. But no longer.
And why did Congress nix the program, especially when studies had shown that students receiving vouchers since the program's inception were academically 18.9 months ahead of their peers? (All of Thurgood Marshall Academy's charter graduates are accepted to colleges.) Why would Congress phase out a program that cost $7,500 per student annually, compared with the $15,000 it costs in Washington's public schools to educate a child?
There's only one reason Congress canceled the program. It's the same reason at the heart of the teachers unions' battle in Wisconsin. It comes down to this: control and educational indoctrination.
I wrote in the paperback expansion of my New York Times best-seller "Black Belt Patriotism: How To Reawaken America": "The reason that government ... (is) cracking down on private instruction has more to do with suppressing alternative education than assuring educational standards. The rationale is quite simple, though rarely if ever stated: control future generations and you control the future. So rather than letting parents be the primary educators of their children -- either directly or by educating their children in the private schools of their choice -- (government wants) to deny parental rights, establish an educational monopoly run by the state, and limit private education options. It is so simple any socialist can understand it. As Joseph Stalin once stated, 'Education is a weapon whose effects depend on who holds it in his hands and at whom it is aimed.'"
Parents deserve educational choices. Choice is what this country was founded upon.
Want to better U.S. public education? Feed the competition!
BigBadBrian
03-01-2011, 08:14 AM
As usual, Chuck hit it squarely on the head. The US Department of Education is largely a waste of money. It's the job of the States to educate it's people.
ELVIS
03-01-2011, 10:03 AM
And to manage healthcare reform...
Chuck Norris? Seriously???
That fucking moron wants right wing distorted religion taught in PUBLIC schools......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pnFg0Sp2Xw
ELVIS
03-01-2011, 10:27 AM
What's "right wing distorted religion" ??
The crap you listen to every Sunday morning would meet the definition.
ELVIS
03-01-2011, 10:36 AM
How would you know that ??
You're such an agenda driven turd it makes me want to throw up at times...
The good thing is that your type is on the way out...
People are waking up and they want to be accountable for their own actions and they want their government held accountable as well...
People like you think you know better and therefore, have the right to make decisions on citizens behalf...
Those days are numbered, my friend...
:elvis:
jhale667
03-01-2011, 10:41 AM
How would you know that ??
You're such an agenda driven turd it makes me want to throw up at times...
The good thing is that your type is on the way out...
People are waking up and they want to be accountable for their own actions and they want their government held accountable as well...
People like you think you know better and therefore, have the right to make decisions on citizens behalf...
Those days are numbered, my friend...
Apply all that last horseshit statement to YOURSELF and it sounds SO much more accurate, RACIS.
Right to make decisions on citizens behalf??
Let's take a look at Chuckie's list again, shall we....
1) Wisconsin Education Association Council, 7,239 hours, $1,511,272
2) Wisconsin Insurance Alliance, 1,427 hours, $777,430
3) Forest County Potawatomi Community, 1,492 hours, $756,512
4) Altria Client Services Inc., 1,321 hours, $755,733
5) Wisconsin Hospital Association, 5,126 hours, $605,033
6) Wisconsin Petroleum Marketers and Convenience Store Association, 1,379 hours, $560,544
7) Wisconsin Manufacturers & Commerce, 4,967 hours, $508,023
8) RAI Services Co., 186 hours, $466,253
9) Wisconsin Independent Businesses Inc., 7,939 hours, $458,414
10) Wisconsin Energy Corp., 1,547 hours, $387,222
Chuckie here is actually COMPLAINING that teachers might have more of a voice than two tobacco companies, various "health care" corporations, and an assortment of fronts for the criminal Chamber of Commerce. You'll also notice he couldn't resist a swipe at the Native Americans, because God forbid those "heathen savages" have a say either.
Wouldn't that just be fucking HORRIBLE??? Out of that list, it's only the teachers and the Potawatomi who are speaking for citizens at all.
ELVIS
03-01-2011, 10:51 AM
The government free ride days are coming to an end...
Quit repeating the KKKoch brothers talking points like a goddamn robot and think about what you're saying.
Last week, Jesus asked you if you knew who the Government was, according to the Constitution. I don't believe you ever answered His question.
ELVIS
03-01-2011, 11:06 AM
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:elvis:
ELVIS
03-01-2011, 11:07 AM
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:elvis:
ELVIS
03-01-2011, 11:08 AM
The government is us...
You, me, Nitro and gayhale, and maybe even Brian...:biggrin:
The people pushing for government accountability and individual freedom are winning...and will continue to win...
The government is us...
You, me, Nitro and gayhale, and maybe even Brian...:biggrin:
The people pushing for government accountability and individual freedom are winning...and will continue to win...
Chuck Norris and the KKKoch brothers do not want "accountability" or "freedom". They want fascism, and by attacking unions, they are going after the one organization who has any chance of competing against corporations, thanks to the Shittyzens United decision (by the BCE retards on the Supreme Court) and the corrupt whore media.
You just said it yourself. The PEOPLE are the government. Teachers are included in "the people". Corporations are NOT people no matter what Opie Roberts and Fat Tony Scalia think.
Nitro Express
03-01-2011, 11:19 AM
The government is us...
Yes it is. If we have bad politicians the people are to blame because we elected them into office. Sure we can blame the rich but they don't have the votes. The average people do. What happened is too many people got fat, dumb, and lazy and distracted by easy loans and gizmos. We took our eye off of politics and when that happens the gangsters move in.
So yup, we the people are in charge and we've done a shitty job and are paying the price for it.
http://veracitystew.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/TEABAGGER-BRAIN.jpg
:elvis:
Yeah, that's about right :biggrin:
Nitro Express
03-01-2011, 11:23 AM
What Ford wants is anti-trust laws and corporate regulation. He's a free market guy but wants the playing field leveled. We all do. It's really the government's job to regulate corrupt corporations and break them up or seize their assets when they become abusive or break the law.
Yes it is. If we have bad politicians the people are to blame because we elected them into office. Sure we can blame the rich but they don't have the votes. The average people do. What happened is too many people got fat, dumb, and lazy and distracted by easy loans and gizmos. We took our eye off of politics and when that happens the gangsters move in.
So yup, we the people are in charge and we've done a shitty job and are paying the price for it.
Well, that and the fact that corporations and the media are completely distorting the message to the point that too many people don't even know who or what they're voting for, and thanks to DIEBOLD, they may not know if they voted at all.
Nitro Express
03-01-2011, 11:28 AM
Conservatives and liberals are going to differ on things but one thing we agree on is we have to get the Federal Reserve under the control of congress, audit it, and end the abuse. Why should a private bank owned by banks be able to get trillions of dollars of our money without it being appropriated by congress? We need to grab that egg and bust it open and see where all that money went. Maybe we can get some of it back.
Once that's done, then we can start the process of fixing the nation. We will have to cut costs and I see a big piece of pie called the defense budget we can take a big chunk out of. Instead of fighting guys like Ford, ask what they really want in the end and work with them getting it. I believe in win/win. Amazingly a lot of liberals want the same thing we do. A living wage and freedom.
What Ford wants is anti-trust laws and corporate regulation. He's a free market guy but wants the playing field leveled. We all do. It's really the government's job to regulate corrupt corporations and break them up or seize their assets when they become abusive or break the law.
Yep. We need to raise BOTH Roosevelts from the dead. At least in spirit if we can't get Jesus to do it physically. We need Teddy's trust busting first, to break up the corporations, and then FDR's regulations reinstated to make sure it never happens again.
Nitro Express
03-01-2011, 11:45 AM
The banking regulation began with FDR and Clinton disbanded that. If you live in the western united states you know how important all those big dams built in the 30's are. Where I live has been in major drought for over a decade. Because we have all those reservoirs, we could grow food and enjoy some of the cheapest electricity in the world. In fact, what pulled my grandfather out of the depression was working on a big dam project.
You pick projects that benefit the country long-term and put people to work. If we are so hell bent on nation building in war zones let's start with Detroit. Even Defense Secretary Gates admits invading Iraq and Afghanistan were huge blunders. To be honest, I think eight years of Bush destroyed the Republican Party. I think they are cooked and done. So it looks like we are moving into an era of constitutional values mingled with a progressive agenda. People are done with the corporate and banking abuse. They want an economy again but they want it to be environmentally sound using cutting edge technology to do it. So if you are still sitting in the Republican camp, the world is going to pass you by. They can't win anymore.
Nitro Express
03-01-2011, 11:48 AM
The only hope I see for the republican party is if Ron Paul gets so much support in it, a new guard takes it over. That may happen but they stonewall that guy no matter how popular he is. They will run Newt instead. Another corporate bought off shill Washington insider or CFR man.
The Repuke nomination will probably come down to Newt vs Mittens....
A choice between the guy who's had three wives, and the other guy who still does. :biggrin:
Nitro Express
03-01-2011, 02:12 PM
It will be Newt. Mittens does poorly in the polls. Mitt passed socialized healthcare in Massachusetts and supported gay rights as governor. That will alienate him from many conservative voters. He's Mormon. The Baptists won't vote for him. Newt can get all those votes, Mitt can't.
ELVIS
03-01-2011, 02:25 PM
Newt can't get elected...
I don't think any of the Repukes currently on the scene can actually get elected. Sadly, that didn't stop Chimpy.
Obama was able to get elected because Candidate Obama inspired a massive turnout that was enough to override the electro-fraud. President Obama has failed so miserably in even attempting to deliver on his own promises, so the end result will be him alienating his own base. At this point, I can't even say I'd vote for him.
Though I will absolutely vote against any possibility of a lunatic right winger in the White House, especially with a teabagger congress.
ELVIS
03-01-2011, 04:08 PM
None of that bullshit even makes sense...
You know what bullshit doesn't make any sense?
A bunch of broke assed rednecks siding with Stalin-funded billionaires against their own people.
ELVIS
03-01-2011, 07:39 PM
Broke assed rednecks ??
is that like a broke ass ni**er ??
kwame k
03-01-2011, 07:47 PM
Broke assed rednecks ??
is that like a broke ass ni**er ??
....or are you finally admitting you're a....Brokeback Mountain Man!!!!!
Seshmeister
03-01-2011, 08:14 PM
Chuck Norris? Seriously???
That fucking moron wants right wing distorted religion taught in PUBLIC schools......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pnFg0Sp2Xw
The eyes see, the mouth moves but Mr Brain has long since departed.
If these people get their way the US is finished. Chuck Norris, education expert??? :D
And who should you go to for karate lessons, Gore Vidal?
jhale667
03-01-2011, 08:48 PM
Broke assed rednecks ??
is that like a broke ass ni**er ??
Add inbreeding and a laughable superiority complex...
ashstralia
03-01-2011, 09:01 PM
You pick projects that benefit the country long-term and put people to work. If we are so hell bent on nation building in war zones let's start with Detroit.
bravo sir!!!
BigBadBrian
03-02-2011, 05:57 AM
Yep. We need to raise BOTH Roosevelts from the dead.
A RINO and a socialist who got credit for doing nothing.
BigBadBrian
03-02-2011, 06:51 AM
What Ford wants is anti-trust laws and corporate regulation. He's a free market guy but wants the playing field leveled. We all do.
Yes, we all want a level playing field.
FORD does not. He's made that abundantly clear. Unfortunately, his "level" slants dramatically to the left, in favor of unions and labor.
Unions are one of the primary reasons labor has gone overseas.
FORD believes companies shouldn't be able to donate to politicians but Unions should be able to.
If you ask me, neither one should be able to and political donations by an individual should be capped at $500 every 2 years TOTAL, meaning a total for all candidates whether local or national. once a person donates $500, they are done. Unions and companies SHOULD NOT be allowed to donate at all, either themselves or on behalf of their workers/members.
A RINO and a socialist who got credit for doing nothing.
He defeated fascism, in Europe, Japan, AND in America. That's hardly nothing.
Yes, we all want a level playing field.
FORD does not. He's made that abundantly clear. Unfortunately, his "level" slants dramatically to the left, in favor of unions and labor.
Unions are one of the primary reasons labor has gone overseas.
FORD believes companies shouldn't be able to donate to politicians but Unions should be able to.
If you ask me, neither one should be able to and political donations by an individual should be capped at $500 every 2 years TOTAL, meaning a total for all candidates whether local or national. once a person donates $500, they are done. Unions and companies SHOULD NOT be allowed to donate at all, either themselves or on behalf of their workers/members.
So you support abolition of the Shittyzens United injustice, and establishing public financing of elections?
Great. But even taking elections out of it, Unions are the only ones who keep greedy corporatist pieces of shit from paying everyone minimum wage or less.
It's not the unions who passed NAFTA and all the other shit. My dad (Machinists Union) and I had a huge argument back in 1992 over that. I knew that he and Perot were right about it, but I didn't think Perot could beat Bush Sr, and 12 consecutive years of the BCE was enough for me. It should have been enough that nobody ever voted for one of them again, but a lot of folks have horrible memories, I guess.
Nitro Express
03-02-2011, 01:17 PM
If you ask me, neither one should be able to and political donations by an individual should be capped at $500 every 2 years TOTAL, meaning a total for all candidates whether local or national. once a person donates $500, they are done. Unions and companies SHOULD NOT be allowed to donate at all, either themselves or on behalf of their workers/members.
I like your idea. Level the field on campaign donations. There was a time for unions 100 years ago. Now they are just as corrupt as the corporations they are claiming to fight. The best employers I worked for were all non union. I belonged to two unions and never got anything from it.
Nitro Express
03-02-2011, 01:24 PM
Here's how we turn the economy around quickly. We nationalize the Federal Reserve Bank. We let the big banks who have screwed us go bankrupt. We bail the legitimate deposits out with the FDIC and let all the derivatives fail with the banks. That wipes out all that debt they are trying to saddle us for generations with. Then the nationalized Federal Reserve Bank issues zero interest loans to projects and companies for productive projects. If you are going to improve the roads, you get a zero interest loan. If you are going to replace a bridge you get a zero interest loan. Then have stipulations in the loans that all employees have to be documented US citizens.
Do that and you would have people looking for employees all over the place and it would turn the economy around. Then once that is going you start backing the currency with commodities again.
Nitro Express
03-02-2011, 01:29 PM
This is pretty much what the Chinese did with their bailout. What Bush and Obama did was bail out the speculators who are now getting zero percent interest loans and driving prices up with their speculative manipulation. They are cutting loans to farmers to drive food prices up because they are betting on high food prices. If those zero percent loans go to productive means instead, the food supply increases and prices come down and more and more jobs appear. Simple as that.
Here's how we turn the economy around quickly. We nationalize the Federal Reserve Bank. We let the big banks who have screwed us go bankrupt. We bail the legitimate deposits out with the FDIC and let all the derivatives fail with the banks. That wipes out all that debt they are trying to saddle us for generations with. Then the nationalized Federal Reserve Bank issues zero interest loans to projects and companies for productive projects. If you are going to improve the roads, you get a zero interest loan. If you are going to replace a bridge you get a zero interest loan. Then have stipulations in the loans that all employees have to be documented US citizens.
Do that and you would have people looking for employees all over the place and it would turn the economy around. Then once that is going you start backing the currency with commodities again.
Sounds like a great idea, but a bit off topic for this thread. If there's a moderator lurking, this would make a great split into a "spinoff",
Nitro Express
03-02-2011, 01:38 PM
But there are all these stereotypes both sides believe in. My uncle was a Democrat union boss. He believed in that because he believed in a living wage and workers rights. He was far from lazy and hated lazy people. There are always those who are going to abuse the union so they can sit on their asses and get paid to do so. My uncle hated those assholes with a passion.
So there are two different mind sets in unions. A) We need unions for a living wage and B) Let's see what we can get away with and why work when you can force the employer to pay you?
ELVIS
03-02-2011, 02:27 PM
Living wage ??
Is that what causes a manufacturer to close shop and move overseas ??
No, shitty trade laws which enable corporate greed is what allowed that. :(
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