Another lie you liberal pussies believed in...

[ELVIS]

Obama creates indefinite detention system for prisoners at Guantanamo Bay (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/03/07/AR2011030704871.html)

President Obama signed an executive order Monday that will create a formal system of indefinite detention for those held at the U.S. military prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, who continue to pose a significant threat to national security.

The administration also said it will start new military commission trials for detainees there.

The announcements, coming more than two years after Obama vowed in another executive order to close the detention center, all but cements Guantanamo Bay’s continuing role in U.S. counterterrorism policy.

Administration officials said the president is still committed to closing the prison, although he made no mention of that goal in a short statement Monday.

The administration’s original plans to create a detention center in the United States and prosecute some detainees in federal court have all but collapsed in the face of bipartisan congressional opposition.


:elvis:

[Nitro Express]

Let's just call him Barrack Obush from now on.

[Jesus Christ]

Verily he hath borne false witness.... :(

[bueno bob]

So who here wants to be the first to release some people who have been detained illegally for ten years and open the floodgates of numerous lawsuits for violations of basic human rights - and then admit to those people "Sorry 'bout your families, but uh, they've been dead for just about as long as you've been in here - our bad, but executions have been a pretty nasty business since 9/11"?

Am I endorsing it? Fuck no. But there's your reason, and YES, you can thank your previous administration (read: Dickhead Cheney) for about 90% of it.

[chefcraig]

Not to make a big deal about this, but just out of curiosity, how many "non-liberal pussies" made a big deal of noise about keeping the joint open in the first place?

[Seshmeister]

Republicans seek tougher Guantanamo rules
(AFP) – 3 hours ago

WASHINGTON — US President Barack Obama's Republican foes unveiled legislation to toughen rules on the detention and trials of suspected extremists held at the notorious Guantanamo Bay prison.
The move came one day after Obama by presidential order lifted a ban on new military trials for detainees held at the US naval base in Cuba, apparently conceding the facility he has vowed to close will not be emptied anytime soon.

House Armed Services Committee Chairman Buck McKeon, who led the effort, cited "serious concerns" about Obama's decree that detainees would have the right to a periodic review of the reasons for their continued detention.

The Republican bill would deny detainees access to legal counsel for such reviews, and stipulates that a decision on whether to transfer or release a detainee must be tied to the threat individual is seen to pose to US interests as well as the particular country to which they could be sent.
The measure also permanently forbids the transfer to US soil of all individuals held now or in the future based on the 2001 congressional authorization to use military force against Al-Qaeda and the Taliban.

And it prohibits the transfer or release of those held at Guantanamo Bay or Bagram Air Base in Afghanistan unless the US defense secretary certifies that the host country meets certain security criteria.
It also would bar the transfer or release of detainees to any country where there has been a confirmed case of detainee recidivism unless the defense secretary certifies that the transfer is in the US national security interest.

The Republican plan puts the defense secretary, rather than the US attorney general, in charge of deciding whether to keep a detainee in military custody.
"America needs and deserves a careful and comprehensive plan dealing with law of war detention for terrorists," McKeon said in a statement outlining the legislation.

The proposal would also forbid relatives of detainees from visiting them at Guantanamo, and would block funding for building any facilities on US soil to house Guantanamo detainees.
And where military jurors had to accept a plea of guilty to a capital offense, a judge will now do so, while the jury members will only vote to approve the death sentence at the end of the sentencing phase, officials said.

Veteran US Senator John McCain, the top Republican on the Senate Armed Services Committee, was to unveil companion legislation on Thursday, joined by four fellow Republicans and independent Senator Joe Lieberman.

Copyright © 2011 AFP. All rights reserved.

[sadaist]

Let's just call him Barrack Obush from now on.


If you think Barry has the balls to send in a surge of troops when everyone is telling him a war is lost...and prove them all wrong, then by all means.

[Nitro Express]

If you think Barry has the balls to send in a surge of troops when everyone is telling him a war is lost...and prove them all wrong, then by all means.

How about invading a country based on a lie and getting us bogged down in multiple countries in an unwinable situation? Now even the Deffense Department is saying next time some president says to send a major military operation into Asia or Africa they need to have their heads checked. We are losing just like in Vietnam and we will eventually leave those places worse than before. Good going Bush.

[Nitro Express]

So who here wants to be the first to release some people who have been detained illegally for ten years and open the floodgates of numerous lawsuits for violations of basic human rights - and then admit to those people "Sorry 'bout your families, but uh, they've been dead for just about as long as you've been in here - our bad, but executions have been a pretty nasty business since 9/11"?

Am I endorsing it? Fuck no. But there's your reason, and YES, you can thank your previous administration (read: Dickhead Cheney) for about 90% of it.

You blow up the prison and kill the prisoners and then blame it on Castro.

[Seshmeister]

If you think Barry has the balls to send in a surge of troops when everyone is telling him a war is lost...and prove them all wrong, then by all means.

I'm afraid that even that tiny success wasn't how it has been portrayed.

The main thrust of the surge was to take huge fucking bags of US taxpayers money and bribe the insurgents to stop shooting at Americans for a bit.

[Va Beach VH Fan]

The main thrust of the surge was to take huge fucking bags of US taxpayers money and bribe the insurgents to stop shooting at Americans for a bit.

Outstanding post....

[Dr. Love]

so much for the rule of law.

[Nickdfresh]

If you think Barry has the balls to send in a surge of troops when everyone is telling him a war is lost...and prove them all wrong, then by all means.

You mean when dumb dumb Bush actually took the suggestions he was ignoring from many of the people who had opposed the Iraq War from the beginning? The "Surge" was far from a plan that originated from Bush Admin lackeys. The plans came from outside as Bush could no longer ignore his insular failings after the Democrats took the Congress in 2006. The Surge came out of sheer political desperation, not "balls"...

And how "successful" was the securing of a Shi'ite gov't largely drawn from militias and death squads?

[bueno bob]

You blow up the prison and kill the prisoners and then blame it on Castro.

It worked when WMDs were all the rage...

[Seshmeister]

This failure by Obama is going to stop the US recovering its reputation in a lot of places in the world.

[Nitro Express]

It worked when WMDs were all the rage...

People are stupid enough that it just may work again.:biggrin: I never thought we would be dumb enough to get into another Vietnam situation but here we are.

[Nitro Express]

This failure by Obama is going to stop the US recovering its reputation in a lot of places in the world.

The US doesn't care about it's reputation because it's ran by a bunch of puppets and gangsters and the citizens only care about their own little interests and not the country as a whole. Everyone is out for themselves and country and honor went out the window a long time ago.

[Nitro Express]

This failure by Obama is going to stop the US recovering its reputation in a lot of places in the world.

As soon as the US based it's military helmet on the German helmut design, it was all downhill from there.:biggrin: Blitzkrieg was coming sooner or later and like Hitler, Bush took too big of a bite.

[Nitro Express]

What can I say. We like war.:biggrin:

[hambon4lif]

People are stupid enough that it just may work again.:biggrin: ....this fucking brainiac begs to differ....