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Jesus Christ
03-15-2011, 10:00 PM
Dear President Obama:

Regrettably, the international community has yet to take serious action to prevent a moral and humanitarian catastrophe in Libya and the Libyan opposition is now on the defensive. As forces loyal to Muammar Qaddafi push eastward, we are concerned that the brutal and indiscriminate tactics of government forces could lead to additional civilian casualties.

On Saturday, the Arab League endorsed Libyan opposition calls for a no fly zone. We call on you to urgently institute a no fly zone over key Libyan cities and towns in conjunction with U.S. allies. We also call on you to explore the option of targeted strikes against regime assets in an effort to prevent further bloodshed. The United States should also immediately recognize the Libyan National Transitional Council and take all necessary actions to support their efforts to unseat the Qaddafi regime.

In your inaugural address two years ago, you said this: "And so to all other peoples and governments who are watching today, from the grandest capitals to the small village where my father was born: Know that America is a friend of each nation and every man, woman and child who seeks a future of peace and dignity, and that we are ready to lead once more."

Today the United States and its allies should stand with the men, women and children of Libya who seek a future of peace and dignity. The situation in Libya in the coming days will not just impact the Libyan people. As protests continue against repressive regimes around the world, the message currently being conveyed by our inaction is that killing and repression will go unpunished and are the best option for despots seeking to postpone reform.

For the sake of our security as well as America’s credibility with people who seek freedom everywhere, we ask you to act as quickly as possible to ensure that the people of Libya – and the world – know that we are willing to back up our principles with action.

Sincerely,

Stephen E. Biegun
Max Boot
Ellen Bork
Paul Bremer
Scott Carpenter
Elizabeth Cheney
Eliot Cohen
Seth Cropsey
Thomas Donnelly
Michele Dunne
Eric Edelman
Jamie Fly
Reuel Marc Gerecht
William Inboden
Bruce Pitcairn Jackson
Ash Jain
Robert Kagan
David Kramer
Irina Krasovskaya
William Kristol
Tod Lindberg
Ann Marlowe
Cliff May
Joshua Muravchik
Michael O'Hanlon
Martin Peretz
Danielle Pletka
John Podhoretz
Randy Scheunemann
Gary J. Schmitt
Dan Senor
William Taft
Marc Thiessen
Daniel Twining
Ken Weinstein
Leon Wieseltier
Rich Williamson
Damon Wilson

people like Kristol, Gerecht, and Kagan make Me ashamed to be the King of the Jews :(

ELVIS
03-15-2011, 10:49 PM
Leave Libya alone...

Bomb SAUDI ARABIA !!!


:elvis:

Jesus Christ
03-15-2011, 11:03 PM
Do the words "Thou shalt not kill" mean anything to you? :(

Nitro Express
03-15-2011, 11:21 PM
The Chinese have their foreign policy right. They want that Libyan oil as much as anyone but they stay out of other state's affairs. Thomas Jefferson said the same. Take care of the home front first and stop meddling in places we don't belong. After WWII we became the policeman of the world and fucked ourselves in the process.

ashstralia
03-16-2011, 04:42 AM
fix up carparkistan first.

ELVIS
03-16-2011, 08:29 AM
These tree huggers should fix up bikeparkistan and stay there...

Blaze
03-16-2011, 10:14 AM
What good would a no fly zone be?
Is there some sort of controlling device that will prevent the planes electrical systems from working and not disable other things?
No, there is not.
A no fly zone is a silly empty wishful unenforceable declaration.






Once it was realized that corruption had permeated a significant part of the very culture of humans in that region, as exhibited by the willingness accept corruption and act with corruption toward the revelation, the eradication was going to be needed to be injected by another means.
The cancer was too extensive.
Moreover, the cancer causing agent, corruption, had become an accepted, if not desired, taste. The well-being of an environment that limited corruption was disdained.

I liken it to a family or person that comes from an corrupt or abusive household; sometimes when they are brought from such environments or shown an way out of such environments, the fear of not being able to survive without corruption or abuse as a means is over-whelming to their well-being and they chose the ill environment out of fear, because fear is what they know and are conditioned to think through.


etc. etc. etc.

WACF
03-16-2011, 06:20 PM
What good would a no fly zone be?
Is there some sort of controlling device that will prevent the planes electrical systems from working and not disable other things?
No, there is not.
A no fly zone is a silly empty wishful unenforceable declaration.






Once it was realized that corruption had permeated a significant part of the very culture of humans in that region, as exhibited by the willingness accept corruption and act with corruption toward the revelation, the eradication was going to be needed to be injected by another means.
The cancer was too extensive.
Moreover, the cancer causing agent, corruption, had become an accepted, if not desired, taste. The well-being of an environment that limited corruption was disdained.

I liken it to a family or person that comes from an corrupt or abusive household; sometimes when they are brought from such environments or shown an way out of such environments, the fear of not being able to survive without corruption or abuse as a means is over-whelming to their well-being and they chose the ill environment out of fear, because fear is what they know and are conditioned to think through.


etc. etc. etc.

A No Fly zone requires countries willing to supply air power to remove ground assets in order to "safely" patrol the skys...then bring down any Libyan air assets that attempt to strike at the Rebels.

It also requires involved countries to "pick" sides....and that does not always work out so well.

ELVIS
03-17-2011, 01:54 PM
Blaze is way way way out there...

ELVIS
03-17-2011, 01:57 PM
Change we can believe in...


The Obama administration is pushing hard for a Thursday vote on a U.N. Security Council resolution authorizing airstrikes and other measures to stop Libyan leader Col. Muammar al-Qaddafi from killing more civilians and defeating rebel forces in Libya.

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said Thursday that a U.N. no-fly zone over Libya "requires certain actions taken to protect the planes and the pilots, including bombing targets like the Libyan defense systems."

Clinton told reporters in Tunisia the specifics of international action against Qaddafi were still being negotiated at the United Nations in New York.

The move comes as Qaddafi forces have made "significant strides" against the rebels in Libya. Qaddafi forces said it would cease military operations on Sunday to give rebels a chance to surrender, without giving further details about the offer, Reuters reported, citing Al Arabiya TV.

The U.S. wants the Security Council to approve planes, troops or ships to stop attacks by Qaddafi on the rebels, according to a diplomat familiar with closed-door negotiations.

The Obama administration said it would not act without Security Council authorization, though it would be willing to cooperate on measures "short of boots on the ground." However, the diplomat said the U.S. insists on broad international participation, especially by Arab states.

Russia and China have expressed doubts about the U.N. and other outside powers getting involved and either one could veto a resolution.

That possibility spurred concerns by Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Fla., who in particularly blunt terms questioned Undersecretary of State Williams Burns at a Senate Foreign Relations Committee Thursday about whether the U.S. would have the wherewithal to take action absent approval from other nations. During the tense exchange, Rubio said Russia and China aren't interested in trying to end the violence in Libya, and asked if the U.S. doesn't step in, who would.

Burns responded that he is confident the U.N. Security Council will pass a resolution.

"I'm not assuming that it's going to fail," he said. "I think we can produce a resolution. I hope we can today."

The undersecretary noted that forces loyal to Qaddafi are roughly 100 miles from the rebel stronghold of Benghazi. Burns said Qaddafi is taking full advantage of his military firepower in turning
back rebels in Libya.

Libyan rebels shot down at least two bomber planes that attacked the airport in their main stronghold on Thursday, according to residents who witnessed the rare success in the struggle against Qaddafi's superior air power.

Meanwhile, Sen. John McCain, who has been pushing the Obama administration to impose a no-fly zone for weeks, questioned Air Force Chief of Staff Gen. Norton Schwartz at the committee hearing on why that move would now be too little too late.

Schwartz did not say that the U.S. military should have implemented a no-fly zone but he did agree that if one were to be imposed now it would require additional military action.

"A no-fly zone would not be sufficient," Schwartz said.

"As opposed to a few weeks ago when it would have been," McCain replied.


:elvis:

BITEYOASS
03-17-2011, 02:12 PM
Dear President Obama:

Regrettably, the international community has yet to take serious action to prevent a moral and humanitarian catastrophe in Libya and the Libyan opposition is now on the defensive. As forces loyal to Muammar Qaddafi push eastward, we are concerned that the brutal and indiscriminate tactics of government forces could lead to additional civilian casualties.

On Saturday, the Arab League endorsed Libyan opposition calls for a no fly zone. We call on you to urgently institute a no fly zone over key Libyan cities and towns in conjunction with U.S. allies. We also call on you to explore the option of targeted strikes against regime assets in an effort to prevent further bloodshed. The United States should also immediately recognize the Libyan National Transitional Council and take all necessary actions to support their efforts to unseat the Qaddafi regime.

In your inaugural address two years ago, you said this: "And so to all other peoples and governments who are watching today, from the grandest capitals to the small village where my father was born: Know that America is a friend of each nation and every man, woman and child who seeks a future of peace and dignity, and that we are ready to lead once more."

Today the United States and its allies should stand with the men, women and children of Libya who seek a future of peace and dignity. The situation in Libya in the coming days will not just impact the Libyan people. As protests continue against repressive regimes around the world, the message currently being conveyed by our inaction is that killing and repression will go unpunished and are the best option for despots seeking to postpone reform.

For the sake of our security as well as America’s credibility with people who seek freedom everywhere, we ask you to act as quickly as possible to ensure that the people of Libya – and the world – know that we are willing to back up our principles with action.

Sincerely,

Stephen E. Biegun
Max Boot
Ellen Bork
Paul Bremer
Scott Carpenter
Elizabeth Cheney
Eliot Cohen
Seth Cropsey
Thomas Donnelly
Michele Dunne
Eric Edelman
Jamie Fly
Reuel Marc Gerecht
William Inboden
Bruce Pitcairn Jackson
Ash Jain
Robert Kagan
David Kramer
Irina Krasovskaya
William Kristol
Tod Lindberg
Ann Marlowe
Cliff May
Joshua Muravchik
Michael O'Hanlon
Martin Peretz
Danielle Pletka
John Podhoretz
Randy Scheunemann
Gary J. Schmitt
Dan Senor
William Taft
Marc Thiessen
Daniel Twining
Ken Weinstein
Leon Wieseltier
Rich Williamson
Damon Wilson

people like Kristol, Gerecht, and Kagan make Me ashamed to be the King of the Jews :(

Well if they want to fight Libya so bad, they should grab some parachutes hop on the nearest C-130 and get their old asses to do an airborne assault.

hideyoursheep
03-17-2011, 03:28 PM
Well if they want to fight Libya so bad, they should grab some parachutes hop on the nearest C-130 and get their old asses to do an airborne assault.

Nah, nothing that sophisticated...give them each a Toyota pickup with a .50 in the back.

Hey, Jesus- Why does a 2000 year old Jew sound like a 16th century Englishman?

hideyoursheep
03-17-2011, 03:34 PM
There's an Air Force officer out there chomping at the bit to enforce some sort of no-fly zone on Lybia. Regardless of the outcome, will Lybia ever be any better off with or without Gaddafi?

hideyoursheep
03-17-2011, 04:07 PM
What we REALLY need to do is execute a joint amphibious / air assault on the Bohemian Club. Cut the head off of the snake.:hitch:

Nitro Express
03-17-2011, 05:45 PM
We could just drop our politicians out of a B-52 on Kaddafi. That really would be a toxic bomb.

Jesus Christ
03-17-2011, 06:25 PM
Hey, Jesus- Why does a 2000 year old Jew sound like a 16th century Englishman?

It is all about perception, My son. Many of My followers think of the King James Version as the "official" Scriptures, and so they attach "Holiness" somehow to that style of language.

Of course the actual official languages of the Scriptures were Hebrew and Aramaic, but verily, if I spoke in those languages, nobody here would understand Me. :jesuslol:

sadaist
03-17-2011, 07:02 PM
We need to stay the fuck out of what is happening in Libya. A small uprising against the government, the government knocks it the fuck down, done. This isn't Egypt where the majority of the population was involved. This is just the US trying to seize any excuse to go in and get Qaddafi out. We probably sparked the small uprising anyways hoping it would ignite the population & be similar to Egypt.

This is not our fight.

I just keep picturing a small uprising in the US and suddenly all these other countries telling the US President he needs to step down. Um, no. The government squashes them. Even squashes one when it is only a tiny threat. Ruby Ridge, Waco?

Just funny that most Americans can't see through what's really happening with Libya.

Jesus Christ
03-17-2011, 07:22 PM
Believe Me, I know all about uprisings against empirical dictators. The Pharisees accused Me before Pilate of leading one. :(

Va Beach VH Fan
03-17-2011, 10:14 PM
Don't like this no-fly shit AT ALL...

It's basically daring Qhaddafy to paint a fighter with SAM radar, then that gives the "justification" to blow it all to hell....

Sadaist said it perfectly, this is not our fight.....

Blaze
03-17-2011, 11:40 PM
By EDITH M. LEDERER, Associated Press – 39 mins ago

UNITED NATIONS – Moving swiftly in response to a request by Arab nations, the U.N. Security Council on Thursday paved the way for international air strikes against Moammar Gadhafi's forces, voting to authorize military action to protect civilians and impose a no-fly zone over Libya.
The council acted five days after the Arab League urged the U.N.'s most powerful body to try to halt Gadhafi's advancing military and reverse the realities on the ground, where rebels and their civilian supporters are in danger of being crushed by pro-government forces using rockets, artillery, tanks and warplanes.

The vote was 10-0 with five countries abstaining including Russia and China, which have veto power in the council, along with India, Germany and Brazil. Russia and China expressed concern about the United Nations and other outside powers using force against Gadhafi, and Germany expressed fear that military action would lead to more casualties.

The United States — which in a dramatic reversal joined the resolution's initial supporters Britain, France and Lebanon — not only helped push for a quick vote but pressed for action beyond creation of a no-fly zone to protect civilians from air, land and sea attacks by Gadhafi's fighters.

"This council moved with remarkable speed in response to the great urgency of the situation on the ground," U.S. Ambassador Susan Rice said. "This resolution should send a strong message to Colonel Gadhafi and his regime that the violence must stop, the killing must stop, and the people of Libya must be protected and have the opportunity to express themselves freely."

The resolution bans all flights in Libya's airspace to help protect civilians. It also authorizes U.N. member states to take "all necessary measures ... to protect civilians and civilian populated areas under threat of attack in the Libyan Arab Jamahiriya, including Benghazi, while excluding a foreign occupation force of any form on any part of Libyan territory."

U.S. officials said the resolution provides a strong legal base for enforcing the no-fly zone and for countries to carry out air and sea strikes against Gadhafi's forces.

U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton told reporters in Tunisia on Thursday that a U.N. no-fly zone over Libya would require action to protect the planes and pilots, "including bombing targets like the Libyan defense systems."

British Foreign Secretary William Hague said the three criteria for taking action — a demonstrated need, clear legal basis and broad regional support — all have been fulfilled.

"This places a responsibility on members of the United Nations, and that is a responsibility to which the United Kingdom will now respond," he said.

Libya's Deputy U.N. Ambassador Ibrahim Dabbashi, whose support for the opposition spurred many Libyan diplomats around the world to demand Gadhafi's ouster, called on the world to respond "immediately."

"The lives of the civilians are in danger right now and I expect the international community to move quickly," he said.

Britain's U.N. Ambassador Mark Lyall Grant said with the "strong legal base," Britain and a number of other countries in NATO and a number of Arab League countries "will be looking to implement those measures." Diplomats said Arab countries likely to participate in possible strikes include Saudi Arabia, Qatar, the United Arab Emirates and Jordan.

In Britain, a lawmaker with knowledge of defense matters confirmed that British forces were on standby for air strikes and could be mobilized as soon as Thursday night. The lawmaker declined to be named because the Defense Ministry has not issued official confirmation.

French Prime Minister Francois Fillon told France-2 Television that France would support military action against Gadhafi within a matter of hours after the resolution was approved.

Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon said the council had taken "an historic decision" to protect civilians from violence perpetrated by their own government. "Given the critical situation on the ground, I expect immediate action on the resolution's provisions," he said.

Immediately before the vote, France's Foreign Minister Alain Juppe urged adoption of the resolution saying sanctions imposed by the Security Council on Feb. 26 aren't enough and "violence against the civilian population has been redoubled."

"We have very little time left. It's a matter of days. It's perhaps a matter of hours. We should not arrive too late," he said.

In the opposition capital Benghazi, Al-Jazeera satellite TV channel showed a large crowd watching the vote on an outdoor TV projection burst into celebration when the resolution was approved as green and red fireworks exploded in the air.

The resolution came hours after Gadhafi went on Libyan television and vowed to crush the rebellion with a final assault on Benghazi.

In an interview broadcast just before the vote, Gadhafi said, "the U.N. Security Council has no mandate. We don't acknowledge their resolutions." He pledged to respond harshly to U.N.-sponsored attacks. "If the world is crazy, we will be crazy too," he told the Portuguese public Radiotelevisao Portuguesa.

But Libya's Dabbashi said the council's action will make "the people of Benghazi ... feel safe from this time on."

"It is a clear message to the Libyan people that they are not alone, that the international community is with them and is going to help them to protect themselves," he said. "It is also a clear message to Col. Gadhafi and those who are supporting him that there is no place for dictatorship, there is no place for killing the people."

The resolution also calls for stronger enforcement of the arms embargo, adds names of people, companies and other entities to the list of those subject to travel bans and asset freezes, and requires all countries to ban Libyan flights from landing, taking off or overflying their country.

It also demands that Libya ensure the "rapid and unimpeded passage of humanitarian assistance" and asks U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon to establish an eight-member panel of experts to assist the Security Council committee in monitoring sanctions.

Russia and China had expressed doubts about the United Nations and other outside powers using force against Gadhafi, a view backed by India, Brazil and Germany who also abstained.
Germany's U.N. Ambassador Peter Wittig expressed fear that using military force could lead to "the likelihood of large-scale loss of life."


I do not know what good this will do. I do not think he will obey, However, refusing to allow Libya planes to not fly over other countries, might be useful to an extent.

Blaze
03-17-2011, 11:47 PM
Nevertheless, that prickly feeling of "I am concerned."
United Nations,Thank you.

BigBadBrian
03-18-2011, 06:01 AM
Obviously, this thread title should be changed to "Barack and Hillary want war with Libya."

ULTRAMAN VH
03-18-2011, 08:43 AM
Oh joy, he wants to spend more money he doesn't have.

Blaze
03-18-2011, 09:57 AM
TRIPOLI, Libya – Libya declared an immediate cease-fire and promised to stop military operations Friday in a bid to fend off international military intervention after the U.N. authorized a no-fly zone and "all necessary measures" to prevent the regime from striking its own people.

The announcement by Foreign Minister Moussa Koussa followed a fierce attack by Gadhafi's forces against Misrata, the last rebel-held city in the western half of the country. A doctor said at least six people were killed.

The U.N. Security Council resolution, which was passed late Thursday after weeks of deliberation, set the stage for airstrikes, a no-fly zone and other military measures short of a ground invasion. Britain announced that it would send fighter jets and France was making plans to deploy planes, but the U.S. had yet to announce what its role would be. NATO also held an emergency meeting.

With the international community mobilizing, Koussa said the government would cease fire in line with the resolution, although he criticized the authorization of international military action, calling it a violation of Libya's sovereignty.

"The government is opening channels for true, serious dialogue with all parties," he said during a news conference in Tripoli, the capital.

The attack on Misrata, Libya's third-largest city, came as the rebels were on the defensive in their eastern stronghold after Gadhafi vowed to launch a final assault and crush the nearly 5-week-old rebellion against him.

The opposition expressed hope the U.N. resolution would help turn the tide in their favor after days of fierce fighting.

"We think Gadhafi's forces will not advance against us. Our morale is very high now. I think we have the upper hand," Col. Salah Osman, a former army officer who defected to the rebel side, said. He was speaking at a checkpoint near the eastern town of Sultan.

http://d.yimg.com/a/p/afp/20110318/capt.photo_1300438092395-65-0.jpg
AFP/Patrick Baz


The Western powers faced pressure to act urgently after weeks spent deliberation over what to do about Gadhafi as his regime gained momentum. The U.S. has positioned a host of forces and ships in the region, including submarines and destroyers and amphibious assault and landing ships with some 400 Marines aboard. It also could provide a range of surveillance assets.

In an interview with Portuguese television broadcast just before the U.N. vote, Gadhafi pledged to respond harshly to U.N.-sponsored attacks. "If the world is crazy," he said, "we will be crazy, too."

The Libyan government closed its airspace to all traffic Friday, according to Europe's air traffic control agency, Eurocontrol.

Government tanks rolled into Misrata, 125 miles (200 kilometers) southeast of Tripoli, early Friday, shelling houses, hospitals and a mosque for several hours before pulling back to the city's outskirts, witnesses said. At least six people were killed, raising the total death toll in two days of fighting to nine, a local doctor said.

Misrata is the last rebel holdout in the western half of the country after Gadhafi recaptured a string of other cities that had fallen to the opposition early in the uprising that began Feb. 15. Its fall would leave the country largely divided, with the rebels bottled up in the east near the border with Egypt.

The city has been under a punishing blockade that has prevented aid ships from delivering medicine and other supplies, the doctor said.

"They haven't stopped shelling us for a week — we sleep to shelling, and wake up to shelling. They are targeting houses and hospitals," he said, adding the hospital had been overwhelmed.

"We have had to perform surgeries in the hallways using the light from our cell phones to see what we're doing. We are also using some clinics around the town, some only have 60 beds, which isn't enough," he said.

Another doctor claimed Gadhafi's forces had surrounded some neighborhoods and were shooting at people who ventured out of their homes. "Militias used two ambulances to jump out of and shoot at innocent people indiscriminately," he said.

The situation appeared to be calm in Benghazi.
Col. Osman said Gadhafi's forces had surrounded the nearby city of Ajdabiya, but rebels remained inside.

The shift toward international action reflected dramatic change on the ground in Libya in the past week. The rebels, once confident, found themselves in danger of being crushed by an overpowering pro-Gadhafi force using rockets, artillery, tanks, warplanes. That force has advanced along the Mediterranean coast aiming to recapture the rebel-held eastern half of Libya.

Gadhafi troops encircled the city of Ajdabiya, the first in the path of their march, but also had some troops positioned beyond it toward Benghazi, the second largest Libyan city, with a population of about 700,000.

A large crowd in Benghazi was watching the vote on an outdoor TV projection and burst into cheers, with green and red fireworks exploding overhead. In Tobruk, east of Benghazi, happy Libyans fired weapons in the air to celebrate the vote.

Libya's unrest began in Benghazi and spread east to Tripoli. Like others in the Mideast, the uprising started with popular demonstrations against Gadhafi, rejecting his 41 years of despotic and often brutal rule. The tone quickly changed after Gadhafi's security in Tripoli forcefully put down the gatherings there.

Soon rebel forces began arming themselves, quickly taking control of the country's east centered on Benghazi. Some Libyan army units joined the rebels, providing them with some firepower, but much less than Gadhafi's remaining forces.

There are no reliable death tolls. Rebels say more than 1,000 people have been killed in a month of fighting, while Gadhafi claims the toll is only 150.
___
By HADEEL AL-SHALCHI and RYAN LUCAS, Associated Press – 1 min ago

Lucas reported from Benghazi, Libya. Associated Press writers Slobodan Lekic in Brussels and Jill Lawless in London contributed to this report.

ELVIS
03-18-2011, 11:15 AM
ceas-fire my ass...

PETE'S BROTHER
03-18-2011, 04:57 PM
It is all about perception, My son. Many of My followers think of the King James Version as the "official" Scriptures, and so they attach "Holiness" somehow to that style of language.

Of course the actual official languages of the Scriptures were Hebrew and Aramaic, but verily, if I spoke in those languages, nobody here would understand Me. :jesuslol:

:lmao:

NASHVILLE, Tenn. – In the old translation of the world's most popular Bible, John the Evangelist declares: "If anyone says, 'I love God,' yet hates his brother, he is a liar." Make that "brother or sister" in a new translation that includes more gender-neutral language and is drawing criticism from some conservatives who argue the changes can alter the theological message.

:biggrin:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110317/ap_on_re/us_rel_gender_neutral_bible

FORD
03-18-2011, 05:04 PM
Leave it to the modern day Pharisees of the "religious right" to make a big fucking deal out of something like that.

Nitro Express
03-18-2011, 05:32 PM
Leave it to the modern day Pharisees of the "religious right" to make a big fucking deal out of something like that.

They are jizzing all over themselves because middle east trouble and natural disasters are signs that rapture is near. Some of these people want things to get worse because they think Jesus will pull them off of the earth to meet him in the clouds while the wicked get whacked. It's the sheep vs the goats, the wheat from the chaff mentality.

Blaze
03-18-2011, 11:18 PM
Is whacking and wanking the same thing? Wacking off. Wanking off. Therefore whacking the wicked is... Ummmm. A damn good Prince album title. :biggrin:

FORD
03-18-2011, 11:28 PM
Same thing. "Wanking" is the UK version.:wanker:

Blaze
03-19-2011, 12:00 AM
Whacking the wicked

1. Time for the pill.
2. My balls are blue.
3. My TWAT is red
4. Water rushing on (the CLIT)
5. Feel me, Touch me.
6. The day the devil descended (instrumental)
7. the slaughter
8. Lift up her veil
9. Listen to the sound
10. We hold Jesus's hand
11. Muhammad watched
12. The Jew's Cut
13. Exploitations.
Hidden tract:
Thunder Child

sadaist
03-19-2011, 12:11 AM
Same thing. "Wanking" is the UK version.:wanker:


So if you are in the lavatory of an airplane flying from the US to Europe....at what point does whacking become wanking? Is it like a moment of suspended masturbation animation as you cross the international date line where both are one and you get some incredibly huge orgasm?

I gotta try this.

sadaist
03-19-2011, 12:17 AM
Back to Libya....what's the first thing you guys remember ever about Libya? For me it was when Reagan bombed his compounds & his daughters were killed. I was in high school but I remember that news story coming out all over. Was very weird for me because I had not witnessed my country actually bomb another country before. At least not that I paid attention or heard about. I think that may have been the 1 incident that started to cause me to pay more attention to the news & world events.

For some reason at the time, I pictured Libya as a tropical place in South America. Maybe I was confusing Qaddafi with Manuel Noriega.

Nitro Express
03-19-2011, 02:51 AM
Is whacking and wanking the same thing? Wacking off. Wanking off. Therefore whacking the wicked is... Ummmm. A damn good Prince album title. :biggrin:

Whacking someone off is an old school Italian gangster term for killing someone. It also can mean jerking someone off.

BigBadBrian
03-19-2011, 06:14 AM
Leave it to the modern day Pharisees of the "religious right" to make a big fucking deal out of something like that.

Leave it to you to comment on something you know nothing about.

sadaist
03-19-2011, 10:34 PM
112 Cruise Missiles the US sent Qadaffis way. So wrong. So wrong. I could sit here and fill pages of everything that is wrong with this, but you already know. So wrong.

Nitro Express
03-19-2011, 10:51 PM
112 Cruise Missiles the US sent Qadaffis way. So wrong. So wrong. I could sit here and fill pages of everything that is wrong with this, but you already know. So wrong.

Cruise missiles destroy a target without putting an air crew at risk. You can fly the bombs in by remote control or you can have a pilot fly in and drop them. They both follow the bombing assignment. We are entering the age of wars being fought by remote control. Dead US air crews make the news more than some collateral damage in Libya. Those people in the geopolitical side of things are expendable. US Presidents have to answer to the families of dead service men more than some unknown people over yonder. I doubt Obama even really cares about either though.

Blaze
03-19-2011, 11:04 PM
God willing this shall be quick. Gaddafi needs to tidy things up, pack his bags, and arrange for the rest of his things to be shipped. We all have our favorite pictures and chairs, this is understandable.

I do think Saudi Arabia would grant asylum until he can find a place more suitable to his particular indulgents.

I have not read who has offered him asylum. This is a problem. To be able to leave, he must have a place to go.

sadaist
03-19-2011, 11:09 PM
This is a problem. To be able to leave, he must have a place to go.


True. Never corner a mean dog without allowing it an out.

Nitro Express
03-20-2011, 02:42 AM
Bombing a country is an act of war. The president legally cannot declare war. Only the US Congress can declare war and they were not addressed on the matter. I'm tired of these out of control presidents. Bush and Obama should be sent to Gitmo as war criminals. They have killed more people than Kadafi.

ELVIS
03-20-2011, 08:54 AM
You bleeding hearts believe the change yet ??

sadaist
03-20-2011, 10:48 AM
You bleeding hearts believe the change yet ??


But, but, but...

Obama HAD to do it. And he did it to save the good citizens of Libya.

Bloodthirsty Bush on the other hand only went for the oil and to avenge daddy.



I think anyways. I haven't seen Keith Olbermanns or Rachel Maddows spin on the whole thing yet.

sadaist
03-20-2011, 11:18 AM
At least Bush had permission from Congress.

ELVIS
03-20-2011, 01:19 PM
Libya has the good oil...

Kristy
03-20-2011, 02:42 PM
But, but, but...

Obama HAD to do it. And he did it to save the good citizens of Libya.

Bloodthirsty Bush on the other hand only went for the oil and to avenge daddy.

I find it surprising that the first missile strikes came from US warships. Already from the AP newswire there are video clips of the French war propaganda machine showing their pilots firing up their Dassault Rafale's but not bombing a damn thing or engaging against the Libyan MiGs. What gets me about this whole "save the Libyan innocents" campaign is how the European theater calls this a disgrace but doesn't lift a finger in order to do the dirty work required. I can guess the only interest the US has in this knowing that the majority of Libyan oil goes to the Frogs is that the Chinese and Russians have their eye on that oil as well - notice how they are the ones doing the most bitching over this? The U.S, is once again making the mistake of banking on that if they remove their evil fearless leader that country will opt for favoritism to country where their oil goes in gratitude.

hideyoursheep
03-20-2011, 03:01 PM
The U.S, is once again making the mistake of banking on that if they remove their evil fearless leader that country will opt for favoritism to country where their oil goes in gratitude.

On the other hand, you have to wonder how different things would have been if the US would have given some "assistance" to the Iraqis in their attempt to overthrow Saddam in '91, rather than stand by and watch them be slaughtered.

It's becoming like some sort of experiment over there.

hideyoursheep
03-20-2011, 03:03 PM
But it won't matter either way in the long run.

BITEYOASS
03-20-2011, 03:10 PM
I think after this shit is over with and we've pulled out of Iraq and the Stans, our military should be given a 10 year break so they can repair all their equipment. In addition, they need to weed out the shitbirds that got recruited because we needed more personnel, then leave a sign at the UN security council saying: "We don't have the money! Fight your own fuckin' war!"

BITEYOASS
03-20-2011, 03:11 PM
BTW, why aren't the Teabaggers throwing a shit fit about all the fuckin money being spent on this operation?

FORD
03-20-2011, 03:21 PM
BTW, why aren't the Teabaggers throwing a shit fit about all the fuckin money being spent on this operation?

Actually, I'm sure they will be. You can already see some opposition here from the same people who were all in favor of invading Iraq and Afghanistan. They will hypocritically oppose any war from a "Democratic" president. Even one who stopped acting like a "Democrat" the day after he won the election. :(

Kristy
03-20-2011, 04:05 PM
It's becoming like some sort of experiment over there.

That's exactly what it is.

Kristy
03-20-2011, 04:10 PM
In addition, they need to weed out the shitbirds that got recruited because we needed more personnel, then leave a sign at the UN security council saying: "We don't have the money! Fight your own fuckin' war!"
Never happen. The military needs "shitbirds" to do the dirty work, and, to get right down to it, to be expendable. Ask anyone who has been in the military and has seen combat will tell you straightforward you can't fight a winnable and proper battle without the expense of causalities on your side. But I agree with you that the U.S. military has seen enough; if the Frogs want their oil then the Frogs can go get their oil, same for the Brits, the Spaniards, Italians, or any European for what I care.

BITEYOASS
03-20-2011, 04:24 PM
Never happen. The military needs "shitbirds" to do the dirty work, and, to get right down to it, to be expendable. Ask anyone who has been in the military and has seen combat will tell you straightforward you can't fight a winnable and proper battle without the expense of causalities on your side. But I agree with you that the U.S. military has seen enough; if the Frogs want their oil then the Frogs can go get their oil, same for the Brits, the Spaniards, Italians, or any European for what I care.

Wrong! Shitbirds fuck everything up and have a tendency to go AWOL, throw a shit fit whenever they are told a deployment is coming up or wind up in the brig. Been there, done that, seen it, have the t-shirt and sent the postcards!

Kristy
03-20-2011, 04:51 PM
So I take it that you serve?

ELVIS
03-20-2011, 05:50 PM
He has served...

BITEYOASS
03-20-2011, 06:56 PM
So I take it that you serve?

You bet your ass baby! USMC 1998-2007

Blaze
03-20-2011, 09:36 PM
What papers are the group of you reading???





















































Anyhoo...... it is not the big calamities that drives a person mad it is numerous blank objects . :biggrin: :hitch:

Blaze
03-20-2011, 09:40 PM
Italy tug apparently seized by Libya military

By NICOLE WINFIELD, Associated Press – 2 hrs 50 mins ago
ROME – Libyan military officials on Sunday boarded an Italian tugboat docked at Tripoli's port and threatened to suspend its communications in an apparent seizure, ship owner said, as U.S. and European airstrikes enforced a no-fly zone over Libya.
Italian officials warned they would do whatever was necessary to free the crew of the "Asso 22," which includes eight Italians, two Indians and Ukrainian. The tug was involved in servicing oil platforms off the Tripoli coast.
The ship owner, Naples-based Augusta Offshore SrL, said Tripoli port officials had boarded the vessel Friday and Saturday, asking to see and photograph its equipment, with some spending the night on board.
On Sunday morning, armed Libyan military officers boarded and threatened to suspend communications between the ship and Augusta Offshore officials, the company said in a statement, according to the LaPress news agency.
The tug left the port later Sunday, heading northwest, the company said, adding that the crew was fine. Italy's foreign minister said it appeared to be heading to an oil platform, presumably with Libyan officials still on board.
Defense Minister Ignazio La Russa told state-run RAI television Sunday that Italy was prepared to evacuate the crew "with every possible means."

Ohhh. He gonna git those spaghetti slurpers! You know they are after him again!

Blaze
03-20-2011, 09:43 PM
Gates: US expects to hand off Libya lead in 'days'

By LOLITA C. BALDOR, Associated Press – 8 mins ago
ON BOARD A MILITARY AIRCRAFT – U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates said Sunday that the U.S. expects to turn control of the Libya military mission over to a coalition — probably headed either by the French and British or by NATO — "in a matter of days."
In his first public remarks since the start of the bombings, Gates said President Barack Obama felt very strongly about limiting America's role in the operation, adding that the president is "more aware than almost anybody of the stress on the military."
"We agreed to use our unique capabilities and the breadth of those capabilities at the front of this process, and then we expected in a matter of days to be able to turn over the primary responsibility to others," Gates told reporters traveling with him to Russia. "We will continue to support the coalition, we will be a member of the coalition, we will have a military role in the coalition, but we will not have the preeminent role."
The two key possibilities, he said, are a combined British-French command or the use of a NATO command. He acknowledged there is "some sensitivity on the part of the Arab League to being seen to be operating under a NATO umbrella."

Blaze
03-20-2011, 09:47 PM
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Italy's Foreign minister Franco Frattini and Italy's Defence minister Ignazio La Russa, background, leave after a special session of parliament's defense and foreign affairs committees Friday, March 18, 2011. Frattini said Italy will allow its military bases to be used for the U.N.-backed military intervention to enforce a no-fly zone over Libya. (AP Photo/Mauro Scrobogna)






NATO approves plan to enforce Libya arms embargo

By SLOBODAN LEKIC, Associated Press – 2 hrs 21 mins ago
BRUSSELS – NATO's top decision-making body approved late Sunday a military plan to implement the U.N. arms embargo on Libya, but failed to agree on a plan for the alliance to enforce the no-fly zone over this north African country.
Diplomats said Turkey's opposition to any NATO intervention in Libya stalled the approval of plans to launch aerial patrols over Libya to prevent the government air force from attacking civilian targets, which were drawn up by NATO's military staff.
Both actions will require a separate "execute directive" by the North Atlantic Council, which requires the consensus of all 28 alliance members. Diplomats said this could be issued on Tuesday at the earliest.
NATO members France, Britain and the United States have been carrying out strikes on Libyan targets since Saturday. But they have acted as individual nations rather than members of the alliance.

Blaze
03-20-2011, 09:54 PM
Europe, not US, pushed for military force in Libya

By ANGELA CHARLTON, Associated Press – 1 hr 54 mins ago

PARIS – America unleashed the heavier firepower, but Europe — to the surprise of some — was the driving force behind the assault on Libya's Moammar Gadhafi.
France, perhaps hoping to purge memories of a dictator-coddling past, fired the first strikes Saturday. Britain, still stinging from its release of the Libyan agent behind the Lockerbie plane bombing, cajoled other nations into joining.

And all 27 countries in the European Union insisted nine days ago that Gadhafi "must relinquish power immediately" — unexpected, from a bloc often accused of being too slow and too soft. President Barack Obama, initially reticent, joined in the call and seemed happy to let Europe take the lead publicly.

The contrast with 2003 — when France led global opposition to the war on Iraq — shows how much has changed since then, and also how different things can be when the problem is on Europe's doorstep.

Europeans fear a flood of refugees, making them particularly sensitive to the possibility of a humanitarian disaster in North Africa.

But the reasons for Europe's anti-Gadhafi push are more complex than that, and may have as much to do with personalities as politics: The frenetic French president, Nicolas Sarkozy, eager for attention on the world stage and suffering in the polls at home; Britain's youthful prime minister, David Cameron, eager to deflect attention from tough austerity measures and score some foreign policy points.

It doesn't hurt that there is a grand ideological imperative that Europe can embrace: Alongside the oil interests in Libya, the Arab world is undergoing a massive convulsion fed by a desire for freedom — a value modern Europe has always claimed to uphold.

Speaking Saturday as he announced the wide-reaching international agreement on military action, Sarkozy framed it as a decisive measure to support pro-democracy protesters.

"We have the duty to respond to this anguished appeal," he said. "The Arab people have chosen to liberate themselves from the servitude they have found themselves locked in for too long. These revolutions have made a huge hope grow in the heart of all those who share the values of democracy and human rights."

Sarkozy said the allies want to protect Libyans from "the murderous insanity of a regime that, in assassinating its own people, has lost all legitimacy."

The operation has its critics. The Arab League, which backed calls for a no-fly zone, said the day-old military operation has already gone too far. Russia, China and Venezuela are opposed. Germany supports it but won't join in.

Sarkozy's aggressive stance may be an effort to compensate for past mistakes. France has a history of cozy relations with autocrats in former colonies, and Sarkozy underestimated the power of protests in Tunisia that toppled the ruling regime in January.

This time, he was the first world leader to recognize the Libyan opposition governing council. He pushed hard and repeatedly for a no-fly zone, and helped get other EU and Arab countries to agree.
And in a trademark Sarkozy move, he summoned world leaders on less than 24 hours notice to Paris for a summit Saturday to announce the intervention.

"France has decided to assume its role, its role before history," he proclaimed, as French warplanes staged their first sorties.

France broke a half-century tradition when it fired the first airstrike on Libyan tanks Saturday. Francois Heisbourg, of the International Institute of Security Studies, said it was the first time since the Suez expedition in 1956 that "the initiative has come from the French."

France fired "the opening shot of a war, that's the strategic significance. We now know we have crossed the line," he said.

Britain has its own reasons to take the lead on punishing Gadhafi, whose regime has a history of anti-British hostility.

Gadhafi has accepted Libya's responsibility for the worst act of terrorism to have taken place on British soil: the 1988 bombing of Pan Am Flight 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland, which killed 270 people, most of them Americans. And links between Libya and the Irish Republican Army go back to the 1970s, when Gadhafi first praised the group as allies in a struggle against Western imperialism.

Britain came under heavy criticism from American politicans after Abdel Baset al-Megrahi, the only man convicted in the Lockerbie bombing, was released in 2009 from a Scottish prison on compassionate grounds. The government has strongly denied claims that al-Megrahi was freed to smooth an oil exploration deal with Libya.

Former Prime Minister Tony Blair, meanwhile, has been criticized for helping to rehabilitate Gadhafi's international status in exchange for lucrative deals.

Cameron, a relatively inexperienced politician, was championing no-fly zones two weeks ago, but he initially looked diplomatically isolated and naive as the U.S. and other allies rejected his muscular talk.

After Gadhafi's attacks on rebels worsened, international opinion turned, and Cameron's stance became a golden opportunity to boost his international profile and domestic popularity. This weekend he was lauded as a driving force in the international operation by the oft-critical British press and many lawmakers, including those in the opposition.

"He's riding on a wave, his image has been enormously enhanced. I'm not suggesting it's a piece of shameless self-promotion, but the cards just happened to haven fallen this way," said Oliver Miles, a former ambassador to Libya.

Public opinion is less hostile to European action here than it was in Iraq, and geography clearly plays a clear role.

Unlike Iraq, Libya is just a short boat ride away, just across the Mediterranean. The fear of refugees fleeing Gadhafi's offensives and landing on European shores is an immediate concern — at a time when many Europeans are already fretting about growing numbers of Muslim immigrants.

But despite broad agreement among Western nations that military intervention was necessary, the allies — who don't yet have a coordinated command post — may differ on the goals of the operation.
U.S. officials have suggested that the goal is not necessarily to dislodge Gadhafi. Perhaps an end to the fighting would be enough, leaving Libya effectively divided between a rebel east and a Gadhafi-ruled west.

But Cameron and Sarkozy have repeatedly said Gadhafi's time is up. And given their rhetoric, his ouster may be the only way the assault's initiators can save face at a time when Europe wants to prove it can still walk tall on the global stage.

Nitro Express
03-20-2011, 11:16 PM
I always like these "global" solutions. The US always ends up paying for the majority of the tab.

lesfunk
03-20-2011, 11:36 PM
...as well as getting all the blame

Seshmeister
03-21-2011, 06:23 AM
France broke a half-century tradition when it fired the first airstrike on Libyan tanks Saturday. Francois Heisbourg, of the International Institute of Security Studies, said it was the first time since the Suez expedition in 1956 that "the initiative has come from the French."

France fired "the opening shot of a war, that's the strategic significance. We now know we have crossed the line," he said.


I guess blowing up the Greenpeace ship in 1985 doesn't count...

Blaze
03-21-2011, 09:12 AM
I guess blowing up the Greenpeace ship in 1985 doesn't count...
:umm:

I have a very odd and unnatural disdain ( perhaps even to the point of phobia) of Francey and Frenchy things, objects, language, ect.
I have looked through the Journals, there is no explanation, if anything it seems I should like very much Francey things when reading the Journals.

Occasionally, I come across something Francey that reminds me of how deeply I used to adore Francey things and language. And with no explanation of why that thing, object, or story I relish.

I find it terribly odd this phobia for Francey things I have.

Blaze
03-21-2011, 09:17 AM
EU official: Arab League head misquoted on Libya

By DON MELVIN, Associated Press – 1 hr 44 mins ago
BRUSSELS — The European Union's top foreign policy official brushed aside concerns Monday that the coalition supporting military action against Libyan leader Col. Moammar Gadhafi is already starting to fracture, saying the head of the Arab League was misquoted as criticizing the operation.
NATO, meanwhile, was struggling with its own internal divisions, having been blocked so far by member Turkey from participating in enforcing a no-fly zone over Libya.
Support from the Arab League had been critical to international action against Gadhafi's regime. But on Sunday, hours after the international operation began, the league's chief was quoted as telling reporters in Cairo that it should not have included attacks on targets on the ground.
"What happened differs from the no-fly zone objectives," Amr Moussa was said. "What we want is civilians' protection not shelling more civilians."
But EU foreign policy chief Catherine Ashton said Monday there had been a misunderstanding. She spoke on her way into a meeting of EU foreign ministers at which Libya will be discussed.
"Moussa was misquoted, as I understand it," she said. She did not specify her understanding of what Moussa actually said.

German Foreign Minister Guido Westerwelle, however, offered Moussa's comments as evidence that Germany's decision not to participate in the operation had been justified.
"This does not mean that we are neutral," Westerwelle said on his way into the same meeting. "This does not mean that we have any sympathy with the dictator Gadhafi. It means that we see the risks, and when we listen closely to what the Arab League yesterday said, unfortunately we see that we had reasons for our concerns."
Westerwelle said Germany would focus on broadening economic and financial sanctions against the Gadhafi regime.

Blaze
03-21-2011, 09:20 AM
Gulf bloc: Qatar, UAE in coalition striking Libya

By ADAM SCHRECK, Associated Press – 23 mins ago
ABU DHABI, United Arab Emirates – The head of the Gulf's main political bloc on Monday underscored the commitment of Qatar and the United Arab Emirates to the international military coalition striking Libya but stressed the mission seeks only to protect civilians.
The reaffirmation of the Gulf states' backing for the multinational force follows criticism by the Arab League's chief over the heavy missile barrages by U.S. and European forces against Libyan air defenses, tanks and other targets.
"What is happening now is not an intervention. It is about protecting the people from bloodshed," said Abdul Rahman bin Hamad al-Attiyah, secretary general of the six-nation Gulf Cooperation Council.
He would not clarify the role of Qatar or the UAE in the Libyan operations.
French Defense Ministry spokesman Laurent Teisseire said Sunday that Qatari warplanes planned to join the operation alongside French jets as a "historic partner" of France in the Arab world. Qatar's state news agency confirmed the country's aircraft are taking part in the no-fly zone but gave no details.
The UAE has not publicly outlined its contribution to the international mission. Foreign Minister Sheik Abdullah bin Zayed Al-Nahyan was at a weekend meeting in Paris to coordinate the coalition effort. He did not take questions from reporters in the Emirati capital Monday.


U.S., British and French planes targeted Gadhafi's anti-aircaft sites for a second night and also destroyed a line of his tanks moving onto the rebel capital in eastern Libya.

Blaze
03-21-2011, 10:52 AM
Action in Libya could last 'awhile,' official says

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By HADEEL AL-SHALCHI and RYAN LUCAS, Associated Press – 19 mins ago
ZEITOUNIYA, Libya – The international military intervention in Libya is likely to last "awhile," a top French official said Monday, echoing Moammar Gadhafi's warning of a long war ahead as rebels said they were fighting to reclaim a city under the Libyan leader's control.


The Revivalist of Libya have visionary spirit. Endurance is a trait they will be able to call upon from Ramadan. The Revivalist do need to train, educate, and become orderly. However, thank God these traits have a certain learnability about them. :)

Blaze
03-21-2011, 10:56 AM
Pentagon: Gadhafi forces in disarray after assault

By RICHARD LARDNER, Associated Press – 1 hr 19 mins ago
WASHINGTON – A U.S.-led coalition has succeeded in scattering and isolating Libyan strongman Moammar Gadhafi's forces after a weekend of punishing air attacks, Pentagon officials say, and American military authorities are moving to hand control of the operation to other countries.
Gadhafi is not a target of the campaign, a senior military official said Sunday, but he could not guarantee the Libyan leader's safety.



What concerns me, is not one nation has offered Gadhafi asylum still as of yet. Has no one even mercy for him?

BITEYOASS
03-21-2011, 11:08 AM
I guess blowing up the Greenpeace ship in 1985 doesn't count...

Not to mention all those other small operations involving the French Foreign Legion. I'm pretty sure they will be in Libya pretty soon.

Blaze
03-21-2011, 11:10 AM
While Libyan Revivalist are taking learning in the field, Yemen is coming forth as the order up for call.


Rival tanks deploy in streets of Yemen's capital
By AHMED AL-HAJ, Associated Press – 3 mins ago
SANAA, Yemen – Rival tanks deployed in the streets of Yemen's capital Monday after three senior army commanders defected to a movement calling for the ouster of the U.S.-backed president, leaving him with virtually no support among the country's most powerful institutions.
Maj. Gen. Ali Mohsen al-Ahmar, commander of the army's powerful 1st Armored Division, was the most senior of the three commanders to join the opposition. He announced his defection in a message delivered by a close aide to protest leaders at the Sanaa square that has become the epicenter of their movement.
Some of the tanks and armored vehicles deployed in the Sanaa square where protesters have been camping out to call for the resignation of Saleh, whose forces opened fire from rooftops and killed more 40 demonstrators on Friday.
Saleh, who has cooperated closely with a U.S.-backed offensive against his nation's branch of al-Qaida, looked to be far closer to what analysts increasingly have called inevitable: a choice between stepping down after 32 years in power or waging a dramatically more violent campaign against his opponents.
Tanks and armored personnel carriers belonging to the Republican Guards, an elite force led by Saleh's son and one-time heir apparent, Ahmed, were deployed outside the presidential palace on Sanaa's southern outskirts, according to witnesses.

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Defected Yemeni soldier holds up his weapon
A defected Yemeni soldier holds up his weapon as he joins anti-government protesters demanding the resignation of Yemeni President Ali Abdullah Saleh, in Sanaa. Tanks have been deployed in the Yemeni capital as top generals have pledged allegiance to the "revolution" and the country's main tribal leader has demanded President Ali Abdullah Saleh's exit from power (AFP/Ahmad Gharabli)

Kristy
03-21-2011, 12:17 PM
None of these "rebels" want democracy they could give a shit less. It's all about the plasma TV, the iPod, the Baywatch girls on satellite dish, the want to buy junk on Amazon with a credit card. And I can't blame these people for tying. For years they have seen their corrupt leaders enjoy the luxuries of life while their subjects live in appalling poverty with its disease and shortened life span. And I do wonder is Libya had no oil would the French or Italians care? It's no surprise that Gaddafi is a coward, a womanizer and a basically a pussy doing what all despotism leaders do when their days become numbered: blame those around them and pull every sort of excuse of the proverbial rabbit's hat. Even Hitler knew when it was time to put the Luger to the temple. Short from that, Gaddafi should be on the phone not with the press but with reps from BestBuy and Visa if he is to save his own skin. Crisis adverted.

Kristy
03-21-2011, 12:19 PM
Action in Libya could last 'awhile,' official says

Time to call in the CIA and hasten the process.

vh rides again
03-21-2011, 02:22 PM
Im all for fucking countries up that fuck with us but this is getting rediculous. its getting to the point where any attacks against the usa are almost like we are asking for it. And thats coming from a warmonger at heart.

Some day a country like china is going to grab us by the balls and squeeze.

I think its funny that we will attack countries like weak ass libya but let n korea and iran walk all over us. its bullshit really.

FORD
03-21-2011, 02:40 PM
Im all for fucking countries up that fuck with us....

...Which hasn't happened since August 1945.

Blaze
03-21-2011, 06:17 PM
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"I have also stated that it is U.S. policy that Gadhafi has to go," he added, noting that the United States has imposed economic sanctions on Libya and frozen assets that the Libyan leader might have been able to use to purchase weapons or hire mercenaries




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I suppose Gadhafi's frozen monies could be used to pay for the operation.

I do not know if that is wrong.

However, I do know when a telephone pole is hit and it is the drivers fault, the bill to fix the pole by the city goes to the driver.

Kristy
03-21-2011, 07:49 PM
Anyone start to think what we're seeing here is the start of the three--pronged war?

sadaist
03-21-2011, 11:22 PM
Anyone start to think what we're seeing here is the start of the three--pronged war?

Isn't that in the book of Revelations somehow? Come on 2012!

I just hope the new VH album is released in time...........come to think of it, that might be the event that finally kicks the apocalypse into gear.

Jesus Christ
03-21-2011, 11:28 PM
Isn't that in the book of Revelations somehow?

Not exactly, but Libya is mentioned in the prophecy of Ezekiel 38/39 as one of the many nations which will join together in the last days to attempt an invasion of Israel.

Many people believe this will begin the countdown to My return and the end of the world as ye know it. I will comment no further, due to that whole "no man will know the day or the hour" thing.

Kristy
03-21-2011, 11:35 PM
I bring it up because me and my roommate were discussing this earlier after watching the news events believing that this is only going to get worse in terms of a 4-pronged war with Iran by early summer. It's not as far-fetched as it sounds.

sadaist
03-22-2011, 12:10 AM
I bring it up because me and my roommate were discussing this earlier after watching the news events believing that this is only going to get worse in terms of a 4-pronged war with Iran by early summer. It's not as far-fetched as it sounds.

4-pronged? Kim Jong Ill has been as quiet as a church mouse lately. Some reason I find North Korea more troublesome when they aren't pounding their chests.

Oh yeah, and Japan is radioactive.....again.

And Charlie Sheen is selling out concert tickets. Megadeth is on tour with Metallica. Van Halen is working on a new Roth album. Yeah, apocalypse is coming. I think I'll wear Levis.

Kristy
03-22-2011, 12:16 AM
It's a fine line thee but I think it'll be with another Islamic country over Kim Jong - though it is a strong possibility.:umm:

Nitro Express
03-22-2011, 12:52 AM
Im all for fucking countries up that fuck with us but this is getting rediculous. its getting to the point where any attacks against the usa are almost like we are asking for it. And thats coming from a warmonger at heart.

Some day a country like china is going to grab us by the balls and squeeze.

I think its funny that we will attack countries like weak ass libya but let n korea and iran walk all over us. its bullshit really.

If China really wanted to bring our military machine to a halt they would just have to cut the money off. We have to borrow money from them to run the military machine. Why don't they cut off the money? They want to do business with us still. Why? We still have technology and resources they want. China is too smart to get involved in wars, they just systematically get what they want using other means.

SunisinuS
03-22-2011, 01:54 AM
If China really wanted to bring our military machine to a halt they would just have to cut the money off. We have to borrow money from them to run the military machine. Why don't they cut off the money? They want to do business with us still. Why? We still have technology and resources they want. China is too smart to get involved in wars, they just systematically get what they want using other means.

They cut the money off...that is an act of war...and all Debts are null and void. We would be free once again. I for one would welcome it.

Nitro Express
03-22-2011, 03:23 AM
They cut the money off...that is an act of war...and all Debts are null and void. We would be free once again. I for one would welcome it.

How is cutting money off to a spending addicted country who likes to bomb and invade countries an act of war? Debt is just a contract and contracts are only as good as the parties involved. Debt means nothing if the other party can't collect and doesn't have enough muscle to intimidate you into paying up. Debts do sometimes become null and void when the one in debt can smash the lender or keep them in their place. That's why debt causes wars. Maybe that is what all this middle east mumbo jumbo is about. We are trying to cut off China's oil but it became more difficult than the egoed out neocons thought.

BigBadBrian
03-22-2011, 05:52 AM
Obama says we're doing this Libyan no-fly-zone shit to avert a humanitarian crisis. Is he going to want to avert a humanitarian crisis in other places where violence is occurring, like Syria, Bahrain, and Yemen?

Did he care about averting a humanitarian crisis in Iraq when Saddam Hussein was killing his people by the thousands, including using chemical weapons?

Obama stated as a US Senator that the President needs Congressional approval to commence offensive military operations against another country. Evidently he forgot about that.

Personally, I'm torn whether we should be doing this or not. I can see both sides of the argument.

Seshmeister
03-22-2011, 07:40 AM
The Halabja massacre by Saddam was in 1988 so you would need to look into the records of the Harvard debating society to get his opinion on it.

Seshmeister
03-22-2011, 07:42 AM
They cut the money off...that is an act of war...and all Debts are null and void. We would be free once again. I for one would welcome it.

That didn't work for me when Visa and Mastercard declared war on me when I was a student.

BigBadBrian
03-22-2011, 08:43 AM
The Halabja massacre by Saddam was in 1988 so you would need to look into the records of the Harvard debating society to get his opinion on it.

Is that the only time Saddam committed atrocities against his own people? I think not.

Obama is on record while he was in public office stating he was against taking Saddam out like he is against the fellow in Libya right now.

Seshmeister
03-22-2011, 09:39 AM
You are in a tiny minority now if you think he was wrong by being against the Iraq war.

I don't understand what you are trying to say, Obama was one of the few US politicians that was correct. He's not now saying invade Libya.

You are trying to mix that with the no fly zone thing many years earlier which was a decision by a Bush when Obama was at college.

Really shit argument.

jacksmar
03-22-2011, 10:04 AM
"You are in a tiny minority now if you think he was wrong by being against the Iraq war."

Wrong. Do your own fact check.
H.J.Res. 114 Iraq Resolution Votes October 2002

jacksmar
03-22-2011, 10:39 AM
No code pink assholes says it all.

The reason EVERYONE is uneasy with The Kenyan Houseboy running any military operation is the simple fact that this shit-for-brains never served a day in uniform and is a leftist commie lib anti-war fuckup.

It’s still on the job training for this unlettered fuckup. Most of his appointments have no military experience if not all these leftist shit stains. Bidumb? No experience.

The left has constantly described the military as being composed of fools and idiots completely lacking in any type of I.Q. or station. This leads the commie lib left to believe that any person with even limited intelligence can make a military decision; no experience required.

Now you have Obi from Nairobi trying to vote present in a situation beyond his comprehension. The Kenyan Houseboy is in over his head so far he needs scuba gear.

Just shows that being an organizer of community illiterates is no basis for being a leader except, for the uneducated. Typical leftist asshole has once again found out the great majority of citizens are his intellectual superior. This reality has been a shock for the left and some on the right but mostly The Kenyan Houseboy.
http://www.americans-working-together.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/mccain_and_obama_young.jpg

Seshmeister
03-22-2011, 10:52 AM
Who are you, the fucking Klingons?

Only tinpot dictatorships have generals for presidents.

Anyway George HW Bush is the only president in the last 40 years that had seen any sort of meaningful service.

FORD
03-22-2011, 02:22 PM
Who are you, the fucking Klingons?


Well, we certainly ain't the Vulcans, because there's not a shred of logic in this bullshit. :mad:

ELVIS
03-22-2011, 02:26 PM
Change...

FORD
03-22-2011, 02:48 PM
I watch the ripples change their size
But never leave the stream
Of warm impermanence
So the days float through my eyes
But still the days seem the same
And these children that you spit on
As they try to change their worlds
Are immune to your consultations
They're quite aware of what they're goin' through

sadaist
03-22-2011, 03:06 PM
Only tinpot dictatorships have generals for presidents.





http://www.teslasociety.com/pictures/500/eisenhower.jpg


Yeah I know, long time ago. I think Ford was kinda liking General Wesley Clark for a while as a possible President. I always liked General Shwarzkopff. I used to like Colin Powell (not so much anymore).

I liked General Clark too.

too? to? two? Man, I just know I never use the double 'oo' in too correctly. I can just feel it. It NEVER looks correct once I write it, even if it is.

Wait, what were we talking about again?

sadaist
03-22-2011, 03:10 PM
Change...


We'll be lucky if we have any left over when Obama is done.

http://www.garylellis.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/pennies-pocket-change-by-sufinawaz.jpg

jacksmar
03-23-2011, 03:08 PM
How’s that elevated foreign policy coming left wing jack assess?

Do any of you shit-for-brains Kenyan Houseboy voters think your apologist bend-over leader might have given any thought to the fact that most see this as continued war against an Arab state?

Do any of you shit-for-brains Kenyan Houseboy voters think your apologist bend-over leader might have given any thought to the fact that the UN is a total fucked up piece of shit from famine to money corruption and genocide?

Do any of you shit-for-brains Kenyan Houseboy voters think your apologist bend-over leader might have given any thought to the fact that he looks more retarded than usual considering he’s associated himself and your DemoCunt party with anti-middle east war movement over the past 10 years?
Merci Beaucoup assholes.

Boy Ubama owns this loss--Operation: 9 Months In The Senate Didn’t Prepare Me For This Shit

Blaze
03-23-2011, 04:00 PM
jacksmar,
You, whoever you are, would call your mother a whore if it furthered your goal.
However, perhaps she is a whore in that case you would call her a saint to further your goal.

Your goal is to be a boor.

Nitro Express
03-23-2011, 04:08 PM
I blame the American people. We forgot we run the country. This is a democratic republic which means representatives are appointed by the people to represent us in Washington. Since the founders of our country knew a democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding on what's for dinner, they set down some laws and rights to make the process as fair as possible. What happened is the public got distracted with easy loans, entertainment, sports, toys, and gizmos and the banking crooks took over the process because the American people didn't watch the store.

I have no idea where Barrack Obama really came from. I don't know if being in politics was his idea or some rich people of influence recruited him and honed him into being a candidate. He sure seemed aloof while being a senator. The guy really has no record you can sink your teeth into. Obama is like vapor or something. It's very strange.

Nitro Express
03-23-2011, 04:12 PM
Bush was no leader and Obama is no leader. The country is going through some of it's worst times in history and we have no leader. There is zero leadership, just a bunch of paid puppets stripping the carcass of what was once a great country clean. There is looting at every angle.

jacksmar
03-23-2011, 05:31 PM
jacksmar,
You, whoever you are, would call your mother a whore if it furthered your goal.
However, perhaps she is a whore in that case you would call her a saint to further your goal.

Your goal is to be a boor.

Didn't know you wanted in the conversation Mr Helper.

The Kenyan Houseboy’s mother was a whore. Got that? If you’re embarrassed by your vote, tell your mother. You obviously have an unresolved problem with your mother or you would not have mentioned mine.

Obi from Nairobi knows nothing about U.S. economics, U.S. history, and is too stupid for the task the left gave him. This asshole is fuzzy math, devoid of content, and doesn't command our respect nor has earned it. The left and the media keeps throwing a whiffle ball under-handed to this unlettered tard and they have to keep moving in closer for him to swing at the ball.

If you don’t like the words being used to describe this back bench second class asshole, tough shit.

His wife hates the US, his core hates the U.S., these assholes hate the U.S.: Ali Abunimah, Shakir Muhammad, Jennifer Mason, Betty Lou Saltzman, Cynthia K. Miller, and the Kenyan houseboy hates the U.S or he wouldn’t have made the apology tour.
The boy is not up to the job.

Moammar Gadhafi is still flipping off the U.S. from some beach in Lybia so it looks like your leader is the loser he is. (Does that sound faintly familiar to you leftist assholes?)

FORD
03-23-2011, 05:50 PM
Your mother's a whore.

Saw her sucking dick behind the Piggly Wiggly for crack money.

Do anything for a hit or two
Give the bitch a rock and she'll fuck your whole damn crew
It might be your wife and it might make you sick
Come home and see her mouth on the Dopeman's dick

PETE'S BROTHER
03-23-2011, 06:09 PM
why you hangin' out behind piggly wiggly? :hee:

FORD
03-23-2011, 06:20 PM
I was "borrowing" some milk crates to use as bookshelves.

ELVIS
03-23-2011, 06:28 PM
Yeah right...

You were waiting on some dick sucking queer...

FORD
03-23-2011, 06:43 PM
Still on that gay sex obsession, are you?

Why is that, exactly? Did you just get back from vacation in "Manada"?? :biggrin:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peFVkDWTdgM

jacksmar
03-23-2011, 06:49 PM
FORD, Ubama’s mother is the mother of your mother. That makes your grandmother a Grand-whore and your mother just a simple whore.

Soldiers for the DNA, dissidents are put away
Dragged off in the dead of night, disappear without a sight
For global peace is what we pray, as long as things are done our way

Try to stay on topic, PNAC and war.

FORD
03-23-2011, 06:55 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Yyx8_tMgcY

jacksmar
03-23-2011, 07:56 PM
http://newsfeed.time.com/2011/03/23/westboro-baptist-church-plans-to-protest-elizabeth-taylors-funeral/

Friends and family of Elizabeth Taylor may get unexpected visitors at her funeral — picketers from the Westboro Baptist Church.

Your parade is all set FORD.

PETE'S BROTHER
03-23-2011, 08:01 PM
i still don't understand how that "church" is tolerated, let alone not jailed regularly. :(

Nickdfresh
03-23-2011, 08:16 PM
All I have to say is fuck Ghaddafi! That son of a goat's asshole can't die fast enough...

jacksmar
03-23-2011, 08:19 PM
Nothing more needs to be said.

Sorry faux Jesus.

Nickdfresh
03-23-2011, 08:28 PM
No code pink assholes says it all.

The reason EVERYONE is uneasy with The Kenyan Houseboy running any military operation is the simple fact that this shit-for-brains never served a day in uniform and is a leftist commie lib anti-war fuckup.

You were in the Army? Really? The President doesn't "run" military operations, fucking genius-boy. The military officers and civilian officials at the Pentagon do. So it doesn't really matter whether he's George Fucking Washington or George Fucking Washington Carver. Secondly, you voted for a faggy coke-spoon, get-out-of-'Nam-free-Guard-card rich boy douche over a guy that actually shot people for his country (Kerry). So stop embarrassing yourself...


It’s still on the job training for this unlettered fuckup. Most of his appointments have no military experience if not all these leftist shit stains. Bidumb? No experience.

Really? Which "appointments" are those? Compared to which administration?


The left has constantly described the military as being composed of fools and idiots completely lacking in any type of I.Q. or station. This leads the commie lib left to believe that any person with even limited intelligence can make a military decision; no experience required.

You mean when like Bush's lackeys all derided Gen. Shinseki in the run-up to the Iraq War, and anyone else expressing a militarily competent, but politically controversial, opinion? Right, pinhead. I forgot that right wing Neocons have a corner on knowledge of military affairs...


Now you have Obi from Nairobi trying to vote present in a situation beyond his comprehension. The Kenyan Houseboy is in over his head so far he needs scuba gear.

He's from Hawaii, dummy. It's like a state and shit...


Just shows that being an organizer of community illiterates is no basis for being a leader except, for the uneducated. Typical leftist asshole has once again found out the great majority of citizens are his intellectual superior. This reality has been a shock for the left and some on the right but mostly The Kenyan Houseboy.
http://www.americans-working-together.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/mccain_and_obama_young.jpg

Then why'd they vote for him?

Blaze
03-23-2011, 08:30 PM
Jacksmar, whoever you are, your mother was the basis of the analysis because, obviously to a trained eye, you did not have a noble man for a father. A noble man would have corrected his mistake, gotten full custody during your youth, and raised his seed with ethical concern.

He did not as exampled by your behavior.

Nickdfresh
03-23-2011, 08:37 PM
http://www.americans-working-together.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/mccain_and_obama_young.jpg

BTW, where was the equivalent poster in 1999-2000 between super-bad-ass all-American-Hero Sen. John McCain, and pussy-bitch "bring-it-on" (as long as my underlings are the ones getting killed) AWOL-George?

SunisinuS
03-23-2011, 09:18 PM
FORD, Ubama’s mother is the mother of your mother. That makes your grandmother a Grand-whore and your mother just a simple whore.

Soldiers for the DNA, dissidents are put away
Dragged off in the dead of night, disappear without a sight
For global peace is what we pray, as long as things are done our way

Try to stay on topic, PNAC and war.

Let's do, Mr. Student of history:

It is always funny to me when Republican's try and paint themselves as the party "of the military".

Let's look at what they have accomplished:


Name one Elected Republican President that won a war in the 20th Century?

1903: Teddy was filling in for the President who could not even protect his front. What have you done for us lately?

WW1: Wilson-Democrat.

WW2: FDR/Truman-Democrats.

Korea: DDE-Republican: Still fighting...guess Republicans hate decisive victories.

Vietnam: LBJ Tie.

Vietnam: RMN cut and run after illegal (and just plain bad) strategies and tactics. Kept running after watergate.

Panama/Grenada: Ronald McForgetter-Republican: Sorry we were talking wars here not Police actions with end runs around the congress..that were....oh guess back on topic then. Plus throw in a little illegal funding and back deals with Iran.

Gulf War 1: GHWB. See Korea. No win....back for seconds...and still going as even sonny boy hates decisive victories....don't worry, we will clean up the mess.

21st Century:

Afghanistan/Iraq.....GWB-Republican. See Korea and First Gulf War. Meanwhile...any student of wars historically knows about how the Nazi's were roughed up in Yugoslavia during WW2 and how you NEVER send your army into urban areas with thin-skinned vehicles or without a plan for occupation....even though your Generals that were trying to help were forced out of their jobs for trying to teach you history. Strike 4 on the Bushies. Oh wait, strike 5, don't pay for your Veteran's Hospitals and make sure you cut their pensions behind their back.



Looks like the Demos are the only ones that won major wars.

Stick that in your notes next time you have your "we are your military backers" speech at the RNC convention.

Sorry this is not even about politics...it is about war. Looks like the "right" needs to do some brushing up.

Seshmeister
03-23-2011, 09:51 PM
i still don't understand how that "church" is tolerated, let alone not jailed regularly. :(

I think the problem is if you arrest that church for being bigoted and full of shit then where does it end...

Seshmeister
03-23-2011, 09:53 PM
http://www.americans-working-together.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/mccain_and_obama_young.jpg

BTW, where was the equivalent poster in 1999-2000 between super-bad-ass all-American-Hero Sen. John McCain, and pussy-bitch "bring-it-on" (as long as my underlings are the ones getting killed) AWOL-George?

Or Bush and that Herman Munster guy 4 years later.

jacksmar
03-23-2011, 09:56 PM
Just got back from the beach and boy are the commie libs in a panty wad!

The boy has no experience. Period. He’s an unlettered tard by any noble mans standard.

And Ubama voters, if the boy can’t set a tent on fire, then it’s an Ubama loss. (Sound familiar leftists?)

Moammar Gadhafi is still flipping off the U.S. from some beach in Lybia. Fact. One more reason this tard will be a four-and-out do nothing.

This dumbass is the best left wing cock block since Gore and Kerry.

SunisinuS
03-23-2011, 09:59 PM
Just got back from the beach and boy are the commie libs in a panty wad!

The boy has no experience. Period. He’s an unlettered tard by any noble mans standard.

And Ubama voters, if the boy can’t set a tent on fire, then it’s an Ubama loss. (Sound familiar leftists?)

Moammar Gadhafi is still flipping off the U.S. from some beach in Lybia. Fact. One more reason this tard will be a four-and-out do nothing.

This dumbass is the best left wing cock block since Gore and Kerry.

Don't even try and fuck with me nubcake...your avatar is a picture of my ass after breakfast..wrinkled anus spitting out corn. And don't powder your hips from posting there in Florida...I just might have Mickey lick it up.

Nobleman's lol....hey Fop...you live in 14th century France?

I have no time for console players....we can store you entire life and it's knowledge on a Flash Drive....insult away lonely boy....I'm out. Following people with Soul. Bumba deeda bumbda deeda....

FORD
03-23-2011, 10:11 PM
Actually, Chimpy the coke snorting wartime deserter ran against three Vietnam veterans.

McCain in the 2000 primary
Gore in the 2000 general
Kerry in 2004

And he allowed his fat toad Rove to attack all three of their service. The same right wing machine also savagely attacked Senator Max Cleland, who literally lost half of his body in Vietnam, and through massive Diebold theft, he lost his seat in Georgia to a rancid racist piece of shit named Saxby Chambliss.

jacksmar
03-23-2011, 10:28 PM
So sinus2sinus, when you pull your head out of my avatar, according to you, "I have no time for console players....we can store you entire life and it's knowledge on a Flash Drive....insult away lonely boy....I'm out."

Go ahead and leave and the insults will keep coming to you toothless Ubama voters.
http://i37.tinypic.com/1498fie.jpg

Kristy
03-23-2011, 11:39 PM
Just got back from the beach and boy are the commie libs in a panty wad!

Oh geesh, learn a new vocabulary, will you? You wouldn't know what a Communist was if they left a hammer and sickle on your front yard. And your veiled racist comments really doesn't help your argument, either.

FORD
03-24-2011, 12:11 AM
If the Soviet chapter of the KKK left a burning hammer & sickle on his lawn, he'd really be confused. :lmao:

SunisinuS
03-24-2011, 12:43 AM
How is cutting money off to a spending addicted country who likes to bomb and invade countries an act of war? Debt is just a contract and contracts are only as good as the parties involved. Debt means nothing if the other party can't collect and doesn't have enough muscle to intimidate you into paying up. Debts do sometimes become null and void when the one in debt can smash the lender or keep them in their place. That's why debt causes wars. Maybe that is what all this middle east mumbo jumbo is about. We are trying to cut off China's oil but it became more difficult than the egoed out neocons thought.

You answered your own question.

lesfunk
03-24-2011, 12:48 AM
Oh geesh... And your veiled racist comments really doesn't help your argument, either.

Veiled?

SunisinuS
03-24-2011, 12:49 AM
Who are you, the fucking Klingons?

Only tinpot dictatorships have generals for presidents.

Anyway George HW Bush is the only president in the last 40 years that had seen any sort of meaningful service.

I used to serve breakfast and talk to a guy that was bunkmate of GHWB....he said the guy was alright. They fought together. Good enough for me. Said he was quiet....and all he did every sunday was write letters to his mom. Tough to be a real conservative...they would rather drink tea.

Kristy
03-24-2011, 12:58 AM
Veiled.

Unchainme
03-24-2011, 01:28 AM
I used to serve breakfast and talk to a guy that was bunkmate of GHWB....he said the guy was alright. They fought together. Good enough for me. Said he was quiet....and all he did every sunday was write letters to his mom. Tough to be a real conservative...they would rather drink tea.

I've heard from other people that Dubya actually wasn't the dumbass he appears to be and came off as actually wanting to have an intelligent conversation with a few people.

Don't shoot the messenger.

jacksmar
03-24-2011, 07:34 AM
I went to one of your commie lib get-togethers last year and the usual socialist material was on sale. The funny thing about that is I thought under socialism everything was free.

So in response to the bullshit comments about race:
Take up the White Man's burden and reap his old reward:
The blame of those ye better,
The hate of those ye guard

Looks like Ubama is falling right in line with that and it’s fucking funny that you leftist assholes can’t see it’s the commie lib left and progressives that are the Kiplings present day. You assholes are too stupid to talk about your feeling superior because you’re all too smug and stuck on relativism and other bleeding heart shit.

Moammar Gadhafi is still flipping off the U.S. from some beach in Lybia.

"At the beginning, we thought it would just take a week or two weeks" to depose Gadhafi, she said. "Now we know it will take time. We need a government to liberate the eastern territories. It was just because there was a vacuum. We don't have political experience. We are learning as the days go by. Now there is an understanding that we need a structure."

These rebels could teach the boy a lesson if he’d open up his big ears.

jacksmar
03-24-2011, 09:06 AM
Veiled? like the women in the Arab States, Kristy? You’re not welcome at the beach house anymore. Get a life and go put out the Indian Gulch fire. Report back to me when you’ve completed your community service for your anti-women’s rights stance.

chefcraig
03-24-2011, 09:11 AM
I went to one of your commie lib get-togethers last year and the usual socialist material was on sale. The funny thing about that is I thought under socialism everything was free.


Being a Democrat/Conservative, and due to my job, I found myself attending/working several of these functions in the past 9-10 months. Here are a handful of observations gathered from the experience.

1. Whatever the "topic" of discussion (you know, the reason for the event in the first place) was never mentioned, either in speeches as the night began or in light discussion afterward.

2. Men should never wear short-sleeved polo shirts and ill-fitting jeans covered by a dinner jacket. This might have worked for Jeff Beck in the mid-seventies, but just looks goofy today. And women of a certain age (say, over 65) should not be allowed admission to an event if they happen to be wearing what amounts to a cleavage revealing sundress.

3. Alcohol should not be served at these functions. For some bizarre reason, even after a few wine spritzers (yup, what used to be called wine-coolers and sold at the 7/11), people start to believe they are sitting on the hood of a Camaro in the high school parking lot and engage in the sophisticated conversations that normally accompany such activity.

4. Strangely enough, there is never enough toilet paper supplied in the ladies' room, even when you triple-stock the stalls.

5. If, while addressing me, one more mother fucker suddenly jabs his hand in my face as he answers an "urgent" call on his cell phone, I will beat him to death with the serving tray I am holding.

jacksmar
03-24-2011, 09:22 AM
U.S. is flying 65% of the sorties. UK is pissed off with the fact that 20% of their Tomahawk missiles are gone. The UK shot a total of twelve, had 64 total. The UK is busy pissing their money away on socialized healthcare and socialized pensions. They don’t have any money to replace them. Germany gone. Norway on the way out. UAE send care packages and no planes due to state department fuckups. Quattar plane still hasn’t made it. Arab states pissed off. France back on the fence.

Ubama is going to have to send in boots when MG out smarts him again and places his military forces in the civilian community.

Ubama is following the blue print for Vietnam and a third simultaneous war is about to get under way.

Merci Beaucoup assholes.

ELVIS
03-24-2011, 09:25 AM
Beaucoup boots coming up...

Seshmeister
03-24-2011, 09:28 AM
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHA!

The UK is pissing away her money on pointless stuff like healthcare and pensions for people while the US spends it on useful stuff like 200 000 troops in Japan and billion dollar planes.

Here's an easy number to remember, US defence spending is $5,555 per American household

ELVIS
03-24-2011, 09:34 AM
5,556 now...

Seshmeister
03-24-2011, 10:20 AM
If we fired 12 of those things at $1m each I hope we hit something more expensive.

One of the only sensible things Bush ever said was about how it was dumb to fire million dollar missiles at tents.

PETE'S BROTHER
03-24-2011, 10:33 AM
I think the problem is if you arrest that church for being bigoted and full of shit then where does it end...

not many churches don't belong behind bars

Seshmeister
03-24-2011, 11:01 AM
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/03/23/role-libya-costs-hundreds-millions/


U.S. Role in Libya Already Costs Hundreds of Millions


The cost of the American and European assault on Libya already easily tops hundreds of millions of dollars, and has the potential to rise significantly if the operation drags on for weeks or months.

Coalition efforts to undermine Muammar al-Qaddafi’s air defenses and save the rebels from defeat have lasted for four nights already. If the U.S. role continues to be limited, with the Pentagon using its existing budget to cover the expense, the price tag on involvement will only rise moderately.

As of Tuesday, a U.S. defense official told Fox News the U.S. has fired 161 Tomahawk cruise missiles into Libyan territory, with 24 missiles being fired overnight Monday into Tuesday. Each missile is priced at $1 million to $1.5 million apiece and dispatched B-2 stealth bombers -- round-trip from Missouri -- to drop 2,000-pound bombs on Libyan sites.

That’s a total flying time of 25 hours, with the operating cost for one hour priced at least $10,000.

Yet those numbers only provide part of the costs. The B-2 bombers require expensive fuel -- and rely on air tankers to refuel in flight -- and probably needed parts replaced upon their return to Whiteman Air Force Base. The pilots most certainly will get combat pay.


An array of U.S. warplanes; 11 ships steaming in the Mediterranean, including three submarines, two destroyers and two amphibious ships; and one F-15 fighter jet that crashed, costing $75 million or more -- it all adds up to numbers that unnerve budget-conscious lawmakers.

"Every six hours we have another billion-dollar deficit," said Rep. Roscoe Bartlett, R-Md., a member of the House Armed Services Committee. "This could cost us a billion dollars there, which means simply another billion-dollar debt that our kids, our grandkids and our great-grandkids are going to have to pay back."

The Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments, in an analysis this month, estimated that the Libyan no-fly zone could cost $100 million to $300 million per week.

In a classified briefing for congressional staff Tuesday, officials from the State Department, Pentagon and Treasury were pressed on the cost. They declined to address the issue.

Rep. Dennis Kucinich, D-Ohio, called for Congress to de-fund military operations in Libya, which he estimated costs between $30 million and $100 million a week.

"While the administration assures us that that the U.S. will hand off its lead role to coalition partners within days, we have not been notified of long-term plans or goals following initial air strikes in the country," Kucinich wrote in a letter to colleagues. "The timeline the president gave to Congress was summarized with one word: 'limited.'"

One Republican Senate aide predicted that lawmakers would demand a vote on Libya before agreeing to fund the government through the end of the fiscal year.

"The rubber will hit the road before the 60-day period," the aide told FoxNews.com, adding that the administration was entering uncharted territory with this kind of humanitarian mission.

The government already is operating on a series of stopgap spending bills for the current fiscal year amid the clamor to cut the budget, including defense dollars. The Pentagon has requested $553 billion for the fiscal year that begins Oct. 1, plus $118 billion in war costs for Iraq and Afghanistan.

"The Pentagon really needs to do this on the cheap," said Loren Thompson, head of the Virginia-based Lexington Institute and adviser to several major defense contractors. "If someone suggests more money to do the Libyan operation, most voters would say, `Let's not do the Libyan operation."'

In the past, the United States has footed the bill for some costly no-fly zones.

In the 1990s, the U.S. participated in Operation Noble Anvil, an air assault in Yugoslavia. Enforcement of the no-fly zone lasted from March 1999 to June 1999, and cost $1.8 billion. After the first Persian Gulf War, two no-fly zones in Iraq to protect citizens from Saddam Hussein's wrath cost about $700 million a year -- from 1992 to 2003.

Rep. Howard Berman of California, top Democrat on the House Foreign Affairs Committee, said he expected lawmakers to make a spending cut exception for national security.

"Do we sit out the whole transition in Egypt or are there roles we can play?" Berman said. "Even the most rabid budget-cutters have as a general proposition accepted the notion that national security matters are treated differently than other matters."

The Congressional Research Service said the costs of establishing and maintaining a no-fly zone can vary widely based on several factors, including the duration of the military operation, the specific military actions, the size and terrain of the targeted country, and whether "mission creep" occurs. The latter is an expansion of military steps toward the same goal.

Obama reiterated Tuesday that the United States will turn control of the operation over to other countries within days.

"I'm glad that we've kept atrocities from happening to a civilian population, but I want us to make sure that we quickly move away from there, and can clearly define when that's going to be and what it is we hope to accomplish in the process," Sen. Bob Corker, R-Tenn., a member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, told reporters in Nashville.

The Associated Press contributed to this report.

Seshmeister
03-24-2011, 11:02 AM
Very strange that Fox News are worried about defence spending all of a sudden...

Nitro Express
03-24-2011, 11:14 AM
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHA!

The UK is pissing away her money on pointless stuff like healthcare and pensions for people while the US spends it on useful stuff like 200 000 troops in Japan and billion dollar planes.

Here's an easy number to remember, US defence spending is $5,555 per American household

Sesh. The UK is broke as well and spends a lot on it's military as well. Also, the US kept the UK going in the last century. By WWI you guys were broke running a big navy around the world. We had to bail you out with lend lease and you were the biggest recipient of the Marshall Plan in Europe. While you were spending all your Marshall Plan money on social programs we were spending money on the military to keep the Russians out of Europe.

Maybe we should have kept our money and military home and let Europe fend for itself. By helping you guys and Japan after the war it opened the door to the abuses that created the situation we are in now. Your government would have had to spend more money on the military instead of those social programs if we didn't foot Europe's military bill after the war.

Nitro Express
03-24-2011, 11:19 AM
It's too bad the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor. It would have kept us out of the war in Europe and we could have enjoyed all the money here that we spent over there.

Seshmeister
03-24-2011, 11:22 AM
The war revitalised US industry and got you out of recession.

A trick that various dodgy presidents have tried since.

If Europe had gone communist, who would you have sold to?

Nitro Express
03-24-2011, 11:25 AM
I might add what is going on in Libya is not a US war operation. Our president didn't even bother to address the US congress on the matter, nor did congress declare war or give permission to bomb. Obama went to the United Nations and this is a UN war operation. Obama is robbing the US people and turning the authority over to the UN. He is not a US president, he is a UN president. Like usual, instead of Europe going in and doing it themselves, our military is being used to do it and we are paying for it so the French can put gasoline in their cars.

Seshmeister
03-24-2011, 11:26 AM
It's too bad the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor. It would have kept us out of the war in Europe and we could have enjoyed all the money here that we spent over there.

Also getting all metaphysical, a change of history as big as that would almost certainly prevent you or anyone else on this board being born.

Whole new board game...

Seshmeister
03-24-2011, 11:27 AM
And what would the world do without your little ray of sunshine and happiness brightening it up?

Nitro Express
03-24-2011, 11:37 AM
The war revitalised US industry and got you out of recession.

A trick that various dodgy presidents have tried since.

If Europe had gone communist, who would you have sold to?

Just enjoy your social programs when the money runs out and it's running out and there won't be anymore help from us this time. Look at the riots that a 200% increase in tuition caused. They had to fix the royal Rolls Royce due to damage protesting students did to it. It would have been fun to see Charles and Camilla dragged out of the thing. I can only imagine what will happen and it will happen when the pension money and healthcare are gone as well. Yes, it must have been nice living better in the UK by not working than living in other countries working. But doing that is expensive and you no longer can afford it. Your politicians are just as corrupt and as big of idiots as ours are. So stop all this smug talk because you are in the same boat. The British Pound sterling is finished and your country is finished. The City of London played a huge part in the derivative real estate scandals that brought the world economy down. Most of the world is broke with the exception of a few big exporting and saving countries and countries sitting on oil. We are going into the next big world war and I think it has already started.

Nitro Express
03-24-2011, 11:40 AM
Enjoy your Royal Wedding.

Kristy
03-24-2011, 11:58 AM
If we fired 12 of those things at $1m each I hope we hit something more expensive.

One of the only sensible things Bush ever said was about how it was dumb to fire million dollar missiles at tents.

Somewhere between 1.7 - 1.8 mil/per missile depending upon the warhead used and the modifications needed to launch it from either a ship, submarine or land base. As far as the tent statement that had to have been Bush Sr saying that. That is way too intelligent of a response to even come from the chimp boy.

Nitro Express
03-24-2011, 12:09 PM
When they did the banker's bailout the US Congress gave the Federal Reserve a blank check. They figure $14 trillion to $20 trillion has been given out by the Fed in backdoor loans. Who knows how much these guys add into the international banking system. They could counterfit trillions of dollars and nobody would know it because we can't even audit the assholes. So they are spending all this money and then putting it on a credit card that will literally take centuries to pay off. So what has to be done is we have to audit the Fed and see how they have cooked the books and see how much of this funny money and debt we can get rid of. Meanwhile they are starting these wars as a distraction and the contractors make their money. Basically they are having a big party and charging it all to our credit card. These bankers seem to love war. Plus, war becomes an accounting nightmare. At the end of it is just a big mess people want to forget and it's hard to tag who made what off of what.

The legitimate estimated GNP of the world economy is $60 trillion. The US has spent $12 Trillion since the creation of the republic to the end of George W. Bush's second term. That includes all the bridges, highways, interstates, wars, GI Bill, everything. Since Obama has been president we have spent $14 Trillion plus dollars. More than it took us two centuries to spend before.

Mushroom
03-25-2011, 12:10 PM
The war revitalised US industry and got you out of recession.

A trick that various dodgy presidents have tried since.

If Europe had gone communist, who would you have sold to?

Winning the war got the US out of recession. Losing a war does not get you out of a recession. Look at every war since WW II. We are in recession right now. Afghanistan and Iraq are not pulling us out of a recession.

I certainly feel like a Pawn for the Arabs and NATO. Of all nations involved, the US is spending the most money in this Libya effort. The Arabs did not want to do anything but they wanted us to do something. Russsia and China do not want to "interfere" -- because they are smart enough to sit back and watch the US spend itself into oblivion.

Damned if we do, damned if we don't. Weeks leading up to the No-Fly Zone, or "Kinetic Military Action," you saw the poor Libyan rebels pleading for outside help. If nobody stepped in, we would be the bad guy for doing nothing. Today you see head lines, for example, in Sri Lanka, muslims are burning effigies of Obama for getting involved. No mention of the French, UK, Germans. Definitley no Turks.

I want to flip my middle finger to all of those guys in the middle east and say take care of your own back yard. You have a dictator? Take care of it yourselves, that's your problem.