Can Obama win re-election?

[Dr. Love]

I think this time around will be a lot different than the 2008 election; Obama did not keep a hold of his passionate voters and let them wander off without keeping them engaged. Seems to me this is the Republicans election to lose.

Of course, that could drastically change based on who the GOP fields... I bet there's a lot of Tea Party fanaticism that drives the selection and election as well.

[Nitro Express]

Obama got the swing vote. Too many people were fed up with eight years of corrupt Republican rule. The thing is Obama turned out to be a fraud. The only thing he had any passion for was ramming a health care bill through that nobody knew what was in it. Now it turns out it's not single payer universal care but the government becoming the insurance industries mafia bill collector. Then they ear marked $105 billion to pay for it. The whole thing is a total scam. Other than that, Obama has been following the Bush Republican agenda except he totally blows congress off when going to war.

If this guy gets a second term it just proves the country has gone totally insane. The Democrat Party would do us all a favor and refuse to give the loser a second nomination and run someone else.

[sadaist]

Obama could easily lose re-election. Problem is....who the fuck are we (republicans) gonna run?

Here is my NO NO list for Republicans if they wanna even come close to winning.

Sarah Palin
Michelle Bachman
Jeb Bush
John McCain
Bobby Jindal
Charlie Crist
Rudy Guliani
Ron Paul
Lindsey Graham
Tim Pawlenty
Sarah Palin (yeah, listed her twice. She's that bad)


I saw Gen. David Petraeus' name being floated around. I think a great ticket would be Trump / Petraeus. Trump would be great as far as the recession, deficit, economy, oil prices, and all the money we owe everyone. Petraeus would be great with all the wars we are currently involved in. Yes Trump has a lot of dirty laundry. But everyone already knows about it all.

As far as Gingrich & Romney.....I'm not sure yet 1 way or the other.

Oh, and Chris Christie. But he has made it extremely clear he is not running. So if he flopped and did run, it would look pretty bad.

[Nitro Express]

I like Ron Paul but he just doesn't have the showbiz charisma the sheeple seem to like. They seem to like celebrities and Trump is a bigger celebrity than Ron Paul. Everyone knows who Trump is. The thing is Trump is media savy, he's a leader, he's tough as nails, he's smart, and he's a great negotiator. He might not have any experience holding political office but believe me, when you own lots of real estate you deal with politicians and the government all the time. It's the type of business that taxes and regulations affects a ton and you are always fighting in that arena.

The best thing about Trump is he has already overshadowed Sarah Palin in the political media game. You hear about him all the time and not her. She over exposed herself and the public grew tired of her.

[binnie]

Obama could easily lose re-election. Problem is....who the fuck are we (republicans) gonna run?

Here is my NO NO list for Republicans if they wanna even come close to winning.

Sarah Palin
Michelle Bachman
Jeb Bush
John McCain
Bobby Jindal
Charlie Crist
Rudy Guliani
Ron Paul
Lindsey Graham
Tim Pawlenty
Sarah Palin (yeah, listed her twice. She's that bad)


I saw Gen. David Petraeus' name being floated around. I think a great ticket would be Trump / Petraeus. Trump would be great as far as the recession, deficit, economy, oil prices, and all the money we owe everyone. Petraeus would be great with all the wars we are currently involved in. Yes Trump has a lot of dirty laundry. But everyone already knows about it all.

As far as Gingrich & Romney.....I'm not sure yet 1 way or the other.

Oh, and Chris Christie. But he has made it extremely clear he is not running. So if he flopped and did run, it would look pretty bad.

This is a question from complete ignorance: would Condolezza Rice be a good candidate?

She always seemed incredibly intelligent to me.....

[binnie]

Is it a case of the economy here? If the economy picks up significantly in the next 18 months, Obama will be re-elected; if it doesn't, he won't. Simple as that, right?

(Regardless of whether you think that the government has a significant impact on the economy, people generally vote with their wallets, right?)

[ELVIS]

Trump is not a serious candidate...

[knuckleboner]

Is it a case of the economy here? If the economy picks up significantly in the next 18 months, Obama will be re-elected; if it doesn't, he won't. Simple as that, right?

(Regardless of whether you think that the government has a significant impact on the economy, people generally vote with their wallets, right?)

binnie nails it. (so to speak...;))

this election is obama's to lose. the only real question is whether or not the democrats benefit, or whether it's clinton in 96.

barring something unexpected, the economy WILL continue to improve. people generally don't vote against improving economic conditions. the republicans will say, "look, it's not back to where it was when bush was in office!"

and the counter is that the recession began with bush in office. mccain "suspended" his campaign to deal with the economy. and by november 2012, the economy will have been improving for long enough that obama, fairly or not, gets credit. libya will be a blip. as long as we don't have ground troops there (which we won't) then it will be over soon and not a factor in 18 months.

the biggest knock, other than the economy, on obama, will be the wild socialism claims. unfortunately for the republicans, nothing socialistic will be visible in 2012. health care will still look basically like it always did. some people may not like it. some people may like being able to get insurance despite a pre-existing condtion, but either way, it won't be much of a factor.

forget presidential 2012. the real question's on whether or not boehner can hold on.

[kwame k]

I like Ron Paul but he just doesn't have the showbiz charisma the sheeple seem to like. They seem to like celebrities and Trump is a bigger celebrity than Ron Paul. Everyone knows who Trump is. The thing is Trump is media savy, he's a leader, he's tough as nails, he's smart, and he's a great negotiator. He might not have any experience holding political office but believe me, when you own lots of real estate you deal with politicians and the government all the time. It's the type of business that taxes and regulations affects a ton and you are always fighting in that arena.

The best thing about Trump is he has already overshadowed Sarah Palin in the political media game. You hear about him all the time and not her. She over exposed herself and the public grew tired of her.

Trump's a novelty and I don't think he has the temperament to go the long haul in a Presidential campaign........

When Glenn BecKKK says you're way out there......well, if someone knows about that it's BecKKK.


"There is something reasonable to, you know, a reasonable conversation if you don't believe that he has a birth certificate." Beck said. "You can say, 'I don't believe he has a birth certificate.' But then he goes into 'I do not believe he has a birth certificate' and then he releases one that's worse than Obama's. And then he comes back and he says on your program, 'He might be a Muslim too.' I'm like, come on!"

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0411/52420.html#ixzz1ITPHVKsI

[sadaist]

Is it a case of the economy here? If the economy picks up significantly in the next 18 months, Obama will be re-elected; if it doesn't, he won't. Simple as that, right?

(Regardless of whether you think that the government has a significant impact on the economy, people generally vote with their wallets, right?)


Economy is still getting worse. Even though some media is reporting how we are finally leveling out, it's a lie. They are only looking at a very controlled set of numbers. Gasoline just broke the $4 per gallon mark for the cheap stuff...87 octane. And that's not from the big guys, that's from the cheap Gas-n-Go at the corner.

I also was in Vons (Safeway...big grocery chain) and couldn't find any steaks other than chuck & flank. I think there was 1 sad looking London Broil sitting there. The guy who was stocking the meat & re-organizing the shelves asked if he could help me. i said dude, where are the New Yorks, the Porterhouse, the T-bones? Hell, I'll even take a ribeye. He started to explain that their cost on all of those is over $12 per pound and the amount they would have to charge...no one would buy any.

But steak prices don't make the news. I've been buying a steak every week or 2 for the last 21 years and have never seen it like this....ever. Which leads me to believe the economy is worse than is being reported.

[sadaist]

Anyways....it should be crystal clear to the American public that they voted the wrong Democrat in to office. Which person is golfing and visiting Brazil....and which person is meeting every damn diplomat in every conflicted part of the world as they are glued to the 3 am phone? Yeah, we all know who is doing all the heavy lifting, and it's not Barack.

[FORD]

The real mistake made by the Democratic party was allowing Vilsuck to rig the Iowa caucus in 2004.

Just imagine where this country could be right now if we were in year 7 of a Dean administration.

Iraq done, hopefully Afghanistan as well. Libya? Not a chance. The economy would be truly recovered, as it never would have gotten as bad as it did without a second Chimpy term.

Yeah, the wrong Democrat is in office alright. But Hillary wouldn't have done any better.

[Kristy]

But steak prices don't make the news. I've been buying a steak every week or 2 for the last 21 years and have never seen it like this....ever. Which leads me to believe the economy is worse than is being reported.

What rock have you been hiding under? Food prices on the whole have shot up over 25% in the past two months. Just the essential items, like milk, bread, cereal seem to have the most in mark-up. And my roommate's friend who works at the local popular grocery chain in my area has been dramatically cut back on hours barely, just barely getting by on hours in order to maintain her health insurance plan. Anyway, she was telling me the store where she works has cut back on a lot of items in that it's too expensive for them to carry any longer and shelves are like a receding hairline with fewer items being placed on them. I've cut back my budget on food not because I'm buying more but spending more and getting less.

[ELVIS]

The real mistake made by the Democratic party was allowing Vilsuck to rig the Iowa caucus in 2004.

Just imagine where this country could be right now if we were in year 7 of a Dean administration.

Iraq done, hopefully Afghanistan as well. Libya? Not a chance. The economy would be truly recovered, as it never would have gotten as bad as it did without a second Chimpy term.

Yeah, the wrong Democrat is in office alright. But Hillary wouldn't have done any better.

You must be drunk AND high...

[sadaist]

What rock have you been hiding under?


I live under the 'single guy with 1 dog' rock. I usually just eat from fast food & restaurants. Rarely cook at home because it's a pain to cook for one. But I do buy the occasional loaf of bread, lunch meats, cokes, dog food, & every once in a while I get a steak to cook up for dinner. Back when I was married with a step-kid and more pets around the house, we would easily fill up an entire cart to near overflowing. Haven't done that in 6+ years.

So I haven't really felt the grocery pinch like most people.

[sadaist]

Oh Kristy...I have noticed some things I buy from 7-11 are the same price, but smaller. Like a 10 oz yogurt is now 8 oz. Or a 16 oz orange juice is 12 oz now. Packages look identical and the price is the same, but once you actually pick it up you notice something is wrong. Fucking gipped again. I think even the grab bag of Lays potato chips has less content in them now too.

[Va Beach VH Fan]

I think the more accurate question is not whether Obama can win re-election, but rather who can defeat him ??

Pawlenty could be an interesting candidate... It seems that he could be attractive to the main Republican voting base....

Whether that would be enough, who knows....

[FORD]

You must be drunk AND high...

Haven't been either in a really long time. Hell, I don't even drink coffee anymore. If not for the tea, and an occasional beer, I could pass for Mormon. Except I never liked the underwear......

[FORD]

I think the more accurate question is not whether Obama can win re-election, but rather who can defeat him ??

Pawlenty could be an interesting candidate... It seems that he could be attractive to the main Republican voting base....

Whether that would be enough, who knows....

Pawlenty doesn't have a chance in Hell. In a country where roads and bridges are falling apart daily, thanks to Repuke budget cuts, the asshole who actually let one collapse and kill 13 people doesn't have a prayer. And should the KKKoch Brothers somehow buy him the nomination, I'll personally make sure nobody forgets Timmy's greatest "accomplishment".....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C31IlOHNzbM

[sadaist]

I haven't heard anything about this in a while, but will any Democrats challenge Barack? Early on there was rumblings of Hillary doing it. But it's clear she just wants to retire & make the big bucks speaking & doing humanitarian work. She's working herself to the bone for a boss that doesn't like her. We all know that's a shitty situation.

[LoungeMachine]

Gingrich, Palin, Bachman, Trump.......

:lmao:

Good luck RePukes.

See you in 2016

:gulp:

[FORD]

I'm more worried about Diebold "winning" the election for the Repukes than any of their actual candidates. Candidate Obama brought so many voters in that the turnout was enough to negate the fraud. As huge of an electoral victory as he had, "officially", I've read reports that suggest the actual number of people who voted for him was even higher than that, by a significant margin.

Of course the fact that President Obama has not even TRIED to live up to what Candidate Obama ran on, means that he will lose a big chunk of that turnout. And while I don't believe the majority of people would actually be DUMB enough to think the likes of Palin, Bachmann, or Newt could do better, all it takes is the whore media telling them that the Repuke "won" and they won't question it.

How do I know that? Because they didn't question an imbecile chimp who wasn't elected EITHER time.

[Kristy]

Oh Kristy...I have noticed some things I buy from 7-11 are the same price, but smaller. Like a 10 oz yogurt is now 8 oz. Or a 16 oz orange juice is 12 oz now. Packages look identical and the price is the same, but once you actually pick it up you notice something is wrong. Fucking gipped again. I think even the grab bag of Lays potato chips has less content in them now too.

Deceit in advertizing is nothing new. But who shops at a 7-11? I don't go there even when desperate for food or gas. Unless you're Bill Gates most are starting to feel the pinch. After, rent, student loans, insurance, and other miscellaneous bills food could always figure into my budget but now I no longer know how I can afford to live. And now I just discovered the local transit light rail system I use is raising their prices. The cost is just out of control. Last year a three zone pass was $128 p/month! I'm not kidding! Now they have the balls to raise it to $143 a month. Just out of control.

[Terry]

Obama could easily lose re-election. Problem is....who the fuck are we (republicans) gonna run?

Here is my NO NO list for Republicans if they wanna even come close to winning.

Sarah Palin
Michelle Bachman
Jeb Bush
John McCain
Bobby Jindal
Charlie Crist
Rudy Guliani
Ron Paul
Lindsey Graham
Tim Pawlenty
Sarah Palin (yeah, listed her twice. She's that bad)


I saw Gen. David Petraeus' name being floated around. I think a great ticket would be Trump / Petraeus. Trump would be great as far as the recession, deficit, economy, oil prices, and all the money we owe everyone. Petraeus would be great with all the wars we are currently involved in. Yes Trump has a lot of dirty laundry. But everyone already knows about it all.

As far as Gingrich & Romney.....I'm not sure yet 1 way or the other.

Oh, and Chris Christie. But he has made it extremely clear he is not running. So if he flopped and did run, it would look pretty bad.

The whole notion of Trump somehow being well-versed on economic matters wouldn't stand up to close scrutiny. I seriously doubt that most people even realize the various buildings that bear the Trump name aren't controlled by "The Donald". The fact that Trump is just a brand name and people far more wealthier put up the liquidity behind his ventures would put an end to the facade of him being a Master of the Universe. Plus, if we're still bogged down in Afghanistan two years from now, Petraeus isn't gonna appear so all-knowing when it comes to military matters.

Gingrich isn't a serious choice. Like Palin, his poll numbers have nowhere to go but down the minute he announces.

Christie perhaps. If he decides to run, he has the advantage of doing so before any meaningful analysis of his tenure as NJ Gov could be made.

Put it this way: if one chooses to compare Obama to Carter, I don't see a Reagan in any of the names floated above. Not even close.

[Terry]

This is a question from complete ignorance: would Condolezza Rice be a good candidate?

She always seemed incredibly intelligent to me.....

She won't run.

She values her privacy far too much.

[Seshmeister]

I'm more worried about Diebold "winning" the election for the Repukes than any of their actual candidates. Candidate Obama brought so many voters in that the turnout was enough to negate the fraud. As huge of an electoral victory as he had, "officially", I've read reports that suggest the actual number of people who voted for him was even higher than that, by a significant margin.

Of course the fact that President Obama has not even TRIED to live up to what Candidate Obama ran on, means that he will lose a big chunk of that turnout. And while I don't believe the majority of people would actually be DUMB enough to think the likes of Palin, Bachmann, or Newt could do better, all it takes is the whore media telling them that the Repuke "won" and they won't question it.

How do I know that? Because they didn't question an imbecile chimp who wasn't elected EITHER time.

I think you just find it too painful to accept that there are/were so many people out there who happily voted for Bush.

2000 was dodgy but the point is that it was close enough that it became uncountable and although Bush took over because of sheer power, Gore didn't really have a mandate either, there should have been a re-election. In 2004 his percentage went up and he won quite comfortably. I was there screaming warnings on here about him from 1999 onwards but you have to accept the facts.

A recent survey found that one third of Americans didn't know the Earth went around the sun and there have been similar things here too.

Never underestimate the stupidity of the public.

[knuckleboner]

I haven't heard anything about this in a while, but will any Democrats challenge Barack?

dennis kucinich is the only one. he clearly wants to, he's just not sure he has the fundraising to make it worth his while. but he's trying.

[FORD]

Were there people stupid enough to vote for Chimpy? Of course there were. Sadly, the archives of this very forum are evidence of that. Even though some of them lived to regret it, and others even attempt to deny now that they ever voted for the idiot.

But given all the right wing groups who voiced their disgust with Chimp in 2004, it's just not mathematically possible that the guy who lost in 2000 would have more votes in 2004. Ohio was an outright theft, and the guy who helped them do it was killed in a plane crash before he could talk. As long as those goddamned machines are being used, you can't really count any election results as truly valid.

Not that electro-fraud is the only problem with the political process, of course. Predatory capitalism taking over elections and deliberate misinformation by the corporate whore media are equally as bad, and ensures that even people who intend to vote for fucking idiots still don't really realize what they're doing.

[Seshmeister]

Seems to me that the US has always been pretty bad for electoral fraud for a Western democracy including JFK maybe stealing his win back in the day.

The only vaguely reassuring thing is that both sides are so aggressive about it and equally bad that maybe it evens out.

I also think if you are looking for the corruption and abuses you are looking in the wrong place with the slightly dodgy Diebold machines. The real shit is the gerrymandering of boundaries which is a hugely developed art form of bullshit and cheating in the US but almost completely ignored.

[Seshmeister]

dennis kucinich is the only one. he clearly wants to, he's just not sure he has the fundraising to make it worth his while. but he's trying.

He is one of the only politicians I still respect which probably just means I don't know him well enough yet. :)

I would think he is unelectable.

This is the real world not the West Wing, maybe if he could pretend he was a cowboy, was a superstitious nut and had nice tits.

[ELVIS]

Candidate Obama brought so many voters in that the turnout was enough to negate the fraud.

Yeah, brought in by acorn FRAUDULENTLY!

As huge of an electoral victory as he had, "officially", I've read reports that suggest the actual number of people who voted for him was even higher than that, by a significant margin.

Yeah, dead people, illegal aliens, etc...



It's funny how you think it's only the other side that commits fraud...

[ELVIS]

I would think he is unelectable.



He is...

He does bring up important issues at times, but he doesn't act on them...

[BITEYOASS]

I think if Palin or Newt "Ditched my first wife when she had cancer" Gingrich win the nomination, then Obama automatically wins.

[Seshmeister]

It wouldn't surprise me if he turned out to be a shitbag in any case.

I remember listening to Gulianni in 2002 and McCain around 2004 both times where they were hugely eloquent and impressive and they turned out to be fuckwads too.

I think particularly now as my generation starts to take control of the world I'm at the stage where I am deeply suspicious of all politicians. There are very very few people that get to their 40s in politics without selling their souls and those ones are usually unelectable, have huge egos and are banging various people.

[Seshmeister]

I think if Palin or Newt "Ditched my first wife when she had cancer" Gingrich win the nomination, then Obama automatically wins.

I don't care how he tries to package it up, the fucking staggering hypocrisy of him fucking someone on the side at the same time as being the Grand Prosecutor of the Spanish Inquisition over Clinton's blow jobs is just fucking incredible even by politician standards.

[sadaist]

Never underestimate the stupidity of the public.



Clearly.


http://media.brainz.org/uploads/2010/04/world-leaders/1-Obama.jpg

[FORD]

It's funny how you think it's only the other side that commits fraud...

It's funny how you give any credibility whatsoever to a lying little KKKoch funded faggot who looks like this......

http://turbo.inquisitr.com/wp-content/2010/01/james-okeefe.jpg

Oh, yeah.... his NPR video forgery was ALSO a fraud, in case you haven't heard.

[ELVIS]

What does that have to do with anything ??

[Unchainme]

Were there people stupid enough to vote for Chimpy? Of course there were. Sadly, the archives of this very forum are evidence of that. Even though some of them lived to regret it, and others even attempt to deny now that they ever voted for the idiot.

But given all the right wing groups who voiced their disgust with Chimp in 2004, it's just not mathematically possible that the guy who lost in 2000 would have more votes in 2004. Ohio was an outright theft, and the guy who helped them do it was killed in a plane crash before he could talk. As long as those goddamned machines are being used, you can't really count any election results as truly valid.\

Jesus Christ..not this shit again

I've been around those machines and I know how the damn process is from start to end, I know people who are in charge of the local BOE. Unless they are complete and utter MORONS or someone very immoral working at these polls, it's beyond difficult to do.

-There's a bi-partisan team working the polls, so much so that if any given voter needs helps, a republican and a democrat both have to approach the voter in need.

-The Machines are checked every couple hours, if theres any anoumolies not matching the books, they are to be reported to those in charge of managing the precints

-There are COPS EVERYWHERE when the ballots are returned to HQ, and workers are required to be on the lookout for anything suspicious going on during the whole process. If something did happen, like some "Bush Op" hacking in and changing the vote, these people were not doing their job.

-Did I mention who the typical workers who are precinct workers? Chances are they are either blue-haired old ladies or soccer moms, and they do indeed go by the book 90 percent of the time.

And if you really, really want to dive into defining an election illegitimate, what about the 1960 election between Nixon and Kennedy where dead people from Chicago somehow crawled out of their graves to cast votes?

In regards to the "plane crash", I will say that if anything indeed was all that fishy to it, it would have leaked out within weeks from that particular community. It's a small little dinky town in the middle of Akron and Canton who's population usually can't keep their noses out of other peoples business. That's it's reputation. If you were going to do a politically charged assassination it probably would have been the worst place in the world to do it.

[FORD]

This is how easy it is to fix an election with Diebold......


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhMUtzOxjJY

[Unchainme]

This is how easy it is to fix an election with Diebold......


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhMUtzOxjJY

So, if someone is some how able to get that laptop/palm pilot/smart phone in the polling place, in full view of the poll workers, then it's slam-dunk for the GOP, eh?

:biggrin:

BTW, they won't even let you TEXT or Use an average normal phone while in line nor anywhere near the polling place.

[ELVIS]

And only the GOP would hack a voting machine...

The bleeding farts would never stoop so low...


:elvis:

[Seshmeister]

So, if someone is some how able to get that laptop/palm pilot/smart phone in the polling place, in full view of the poll workers, then it's slam-dunk for the GOP, eh?

:biggrin:

BTW, they won't even let you TEXT or Use an average normal phone while in line nor anywhere near the polling place.

I'm still staggered though that the US government paid someone tens of millions of dollars for a voting system delivered in MS Access. That thing looks like about 200 man hours work. I think DIEBOLD must have charged them about $150 000 an hour which is pretty good money if you can get it.

That was a criminally incompetent use of tax payer money. It's more like the kind of system someone would use to keep a database of their fucking album collection. If you don't have a paper trail you need an electronic trail which a proper database system would have but Access doesn't.

As often happens where FORD sees complex conspiracy I just see government management being a bit shit with maybe a bit of procurement corruption thrown in.

[Nitro Express]

In the US the counties are in charge of the voting process not the US Federal Government. So what type of voting device used and the ballot varies county to county. I like the way our county does the voting. They use the Scantron system. No hanging chads and you have a hand filled in original ballot card to count. Most everyone has filled a Scantron card out in school taking tests so people are used to the system.

I never liked pressing a computer screen to vote. That's too easy to tamper with. With the Scantron system your card has your voter registration number assigned to it and it was filled out by you. If something goes wrong with the electronic system, there still can be a physical count of the votes off the cards themselves.

[Unchainme]

I'm still staggered though that the US government paid someone tens of millions of dollars for a voting system delivered in MS Access. That thing looks like about 200 man hours work. I think DIEBOLD must have charged them about $150 000 an hour which is pretty good money if you can get it.

That was a criminally incompetent use of tax payer money. It's more like the kind of system someone would use to keep a database of their fucking album collection. If you don't have a paper trail you need an electronic trail which a proper database system would have but Access doesn't.

As often happens where FORD sees complex conspiracy I just see government management being a bit shit with maybe a bit of procurement corruption thrown in.

Good points made here.

I still don't think it's a bad system per say. I've heard it's actually a lot easier on the poll-workers then it has been in the past in terms of counting ballots. I will say, that there is in fact a form of a paper trail that is counted throughout the day, and the machine, does in fact print out at the end of the night.

Just seems to be techno-phobia to me.

And on voter fraud, it's not exclusively a republican thing, nor is it anything new. Joe Kennedy was not exactly a clean-outstanding citizen and had a couple of connections in Chicago. It's not to blurt out something like "WELL THE DEMOCRATS DID IT! SO IT'S OKAY"..No, I view it as being terribly immoral either way.

[Nitro Express]

I wish it was that easy to hack a Diebold ATM machine. That company makes those too.

[Unchainme]

But, I'll be nice to the Doctor and toss my few cents in.

Obama can, and probably will win re-election

The GOP would need to find a candidate somehow that would have more charisma and just name recognition than the POTUS, and that would also not be batshit insane to win the presidency at this point. I clearly don't see that at the moment.

[FORD]

In the US the counties are in charge of the voting process not the US Federal Government. So what type of voting device used and the ballot varies county to county. I like the way our county does the voting. They use the Scantron system. No hanging chads and you have a hand filled in original ballot card to count. Most everyone has filled a Scantron card out in school taking tests so people are used to the system.

I never liked pressing a computer screen to vote. That's too easy to tamper with. With the Scantron system your card has your voter registration number assigned to it and it was filled out by you. If something goes wrong with the electronic system, there still can be a physical count of the votes off the cards themselves.

The optical scan system does have the actual ballots to fall back on, but if the votes are still tabulated by a central database, then it's just as vulnerable as the video above shows. In most jurisdictions, a mandatory recount doesn't happen unless the margin is under 1%, and even then, they always go with a machine recount first. They won't count physical ballots unless they absolutely have to, and when that fails, they bring in BCE appointed judicial felons to decide the election.

[FORD]

I wish it was that easy to hack a Diebold ATM machine. That company makes those too.

The Diebold ATM at least produces an instant paper record, and the bank databases are a little more secure than their voting tabulators. And that's probably only the case because of cheesy movies in the 80's where hackers got into bank networks and downloaded all the half cents to a phantom account and stole millions. Richard Pryor did it in Superman IV, but there was at least one other movie (which escapes me at the moment) that had that as a major plot point as well. I was actually tempted at the time to try it myself, but the shitty 2400 baud modem I had for my Commodore 64 wouldn't have been capable of keeping a connection long enough to set up the account.

[Unchainme]

The Diebold ATM at least produces an instant paper record.

uhh...the diebold machines too have paper records.

[BigBadBrian]

Pawlenty doesn't have a chance in Hell. In a country where roads and bridges are falling apart daily, thanks to Repuke budget cuts, the asshole who actually let one collapse and kill 13 people doesn't have a prayer. And should the KKKoch Brothers somehow buy him the nomination, I'll personally make sure nobody forgets Timmy's greatest "accomplishment".....


Hey dumbass, that was an interstate bridge, maintained by the US Dept of Transportation. The vast majority of the American public, or least the ones that keep their financial house in order, realize budget cuts are necessary. It was also the Democratically-controlled House that held the government wallet when this happened.

"I'll personally make sure nobody forgets Timmy's greatest "accomplishment"...you must think you actually matter in life, to anyone. :biggrin:

[BigBadBrian]

Can he win? Possibly.

Will he? It's like binnie and kb said, it's all a product of the US economy and how it's doing along with approval ratings. The Presidential election is about how the public perceives things...the actual campaign makes little difference other than how the liberal State-Run Media (MSNBC, CNN, CBS, NBC, ABC, NYT, WashPo, etc.) spins things.

[kwame k]

Well, you can always get the truth from Fox, Rush and BecKKK, Forrest:umm:

[BigBadBrian]

Well, you can always get the truth from Fox, Rush and BecKKK, Forrest:umm:

Sometimes I actually enjoy a good stinging comeback by Lounge, Nick, Guitar Shark, Ford, or even KKKristy.

Not with you.

You post the same lame, tired shit time after time. You're boring.

You didn't do too well in creative writing, did you? Thought not.

:gulp:

[Guitar Shark]

Can he win? Possibly.

Will he? It's like binnie and kb said, it's all a product of the US economy and how it's doing along with approval ratings. The Presidential election is about how the public perceives things...

In addition to this, never underestimate the power of the incumbency. Just by virtue of being President, Obama will have the advantage of being in the spotlight constantly for both official and unofficial functions. The sitting president always gets more media coverage than any challenger.

[chefcraig]

In addition to this, never underestimate the power of the incumbency. Just by virtue of being President, Obama will have the advantage of being in the spotlight constantly for both official and unofficial functions. The sitting president always gets more media coverage than any challenger.

The sitting president needs to act upon these opportunities in order to make them work. Don't forget, Jimmy Carter stayed away from campaigning for a second term, using what was referred to at the time as his "Rose Garden" strategy, focusing instead on the situation in Iran. Whether this was an expedient move designed to leave the White House by default or not, it delivered Ronald Reagan as the 40th President of the United States and made him (Reagan) the first full two-term president since fucking Eisenhower.

[Guitar Shark]

I think Reagan would have won that election regardless, but I agree with your point, Craig.

[kwame k]

Sometimes I actually enjoy a good stinging comeback by Lounge, Nick, Guitar Shark, Ford, or even KKKristy.

Not with you.

You post the same lame, tired shit time after time. You're boring.

You didn't do too well in creative writing, did you? Thought not.

:gulp:

Now what Op-Ed piece told you that, Forrest?

[jacksmar]

He’s off to a great start. The muzzie Kenyan Houseboy is looking to a race pimp for help.

President Obama looks to Rev. Al Sharpton for help in 2012 reelection bid

BY Jonathan Lemire
DAILY NEWS CITY HALL BUREAU

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2011/04/06/2011-04-06_obama_looks_to_al_for_help_in_12_run.html#ixzz1 IlASeAQU

Maybe the Diamond Merchants will throw some dollars Ubama's way. Al Socialist Shittongue and Ubama make quite the ticket since Ubama likes tax cheats, liars, and drug users.

[Seshmeister]

But am I not right in saying that this assumes that you have admin access to each of hundreds of these. And that anyone that did get caught doing it would get a horrendous federal sentence?

I'm not sayin there isn't scope for abuse and it should be made better but I doubt it happens much if at all.

Fortunately it doesn't matter a whole lot of fuck which of them gets in anyway.

There are probably more abuses with postal votes, we have had terrible problems with those here.

[Nitro Express]

Moden politics is showbiz for ugly people. We don't have representatives anymore. We have corporate sponsored actors.

[BigBadBrian]

Now what Op-Ed piece told you that, Forrest?

You just proved my point. :)

[FORD]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxNFJvNCxOo