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SunisinuS

04-30-2011, 11:09 PM

:biggrin:

We were always here for this guy anyway,...:)

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Kristy

04-30-2011, 11:26 PM

What? Are you trying to piss me off with this obvious baiting shit? Don't go all Savicki on me.

Diamondjimi

05-01-2011, 12:47 AM

Hey Steve...

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTwUdOUTlWurBMYCDM6oMFi7ks-W94kLKF-o1hRIknYiZ45vPeq&t=1

ashstralia

05-01-2011, 04:59 AM

XuxixuX, you fuck with kristy at your own discretion. :)

SunisinuS

05-01-2011, 01:20 PM

It was just a drum track. It didn't have the rest in it. It was not baiting. It was relating.

Kristy

05-01-2011, 02:38 PM

I can relate to Joe Morello. Ever wonder where Bonham got a lot of his (un)original ideas from...?:umm:

binnie

05-01-2011, 02:41 PM

No one is 100% original. But you can't deny that Bonham was a monster drummer.....

chefcraig

05-01-2011, 02:54 PM

No one is 100% original. But you can't deny that Bonham was a monster drummer.....

Early on, John Bonham often cited the Vanilla Fudge's Carmen Appice as a leading influence. Appice was an early proponent of the double bass drum method, and the penniless Bonham had to make due performing the same approach with one foot on a single kick drum.

Kristy

05-01-2011, 03:15 PM

No one is 100% original. But you can't deny that Bonham was a monster drummer.....

Yes I can! And just did. :tongue0011:

binnie

05-01-2011, 03:19 PM

Yes I can! And just did. :tongue0011:

:D

I am currently cranking 'How The West Was Won' and am oblivious to your laughter!

Perhaps you're more of an Ian Paice girl?

Kristy

05-01-2011, 03:33 PM

My fav drummers are hardly ones who play rock

Like

Joe Morello
Jack DeJohnette
Philly Joe Jones (who Charlie Watts of the Stones studied under)
Billy Higgins
Roy Haynes

binnie

05-01-2011, 03:38 PM

I think you left Lars Ulrich off that list.......

Kristy

05-01-2011, 03:45 PM

We're talking drummers not douchebags.

Actually Bonham was a talent. Probably the best rock drummer out there and he really was the force of so much of Zeppelin's success. What did Page & Co. end up doing without him? Shame his bratty kid wants to follow in his dad's footsteps keeping the Zep myth alive with his shitty knock off band. Someone should really put an end to the bleeding here:

chefcraig

05-01-2011, 03:59 PM

Jason Bonham's clueless, plodding drumming is a large part of why the 2007 "reunion" didn't work, and one of a handful of reasons why a reformed Zeppelin will (hopefully) never get off the ground.

Kristy

05-01-2011, 04:03 PM

Jason's whole "Zeppelin Experience" is worse than your average high school act playing at the Battle Of The Bands in some equally horrible 80's movie scenario. What exactly is there to experience?

FORD

05-01-2011, 04:27 PM

Well, before that he was playing in a Foreigner tribute band (the one led by Mick Jones that actually calls itself "Foreigner") so at least a Zep tribute band is a step up from that.

Kristy

05-01-2011, 04:31 PM

Don't enable Jason, Ford.

lesfunk

05-01-2011, 05:45 PM

Bonham was absolutely nasty. Anyone who doesn't realize that is quite simply FUCKED. No offense Kristy, but it's true. All those Drummers you listed are among the greatest also. Joe Morello was a close friend and mentor to my old friend Ken Serio who plays jazz and blues with sensitivity and dynamics but also rocks with a vengeance . Music is all about styles and I think Joe Morello could appreciate John Bohnham just as much as I and a fucking zillion others do.

Kristy

05-01-2011, 06:00 PM

Terry

05-01-2011, 10:09 PM

Jason's whole "Zeppelin Experience" is worse than your average high school act playing at the Battle Of The Bands in some equally horrible 80's movie scenario. What exactly is there to experience?

The odd part is how some will mutter in awe about how much "Jason sounds like his father"...well, the guy has only been practicing and playing in his father's style for nearly 40 years now...it's really not all that impressive, and much of the music Jason Bonham has played on in his own right isn't all that great either.

John Bonham had a neat sense of how to mix up simplistic rock time signatures. He was a pretty creative rock drummer considering the times and the relative stripped-down approach he took in terms of what he played and the size of his kit. Great within the context of songs. However (and this became more true with each subsequent LZ tour) Moby Dick live was a long, boring slog...it's just that Zeppelin are one of those bands that have that sainthood status in rock, and to even deviate from anything other than the "everything Zeppelin did was fucking MAGIC!" line is heretical to some, who will claim "oh, you're just not a 'true' Zeppelin fan unless you think every single thing the band did was some holy nugget of brilliance" - not to say this mentality applies to anyone on this site or this thread (but fuck you if this is, in fact, the case ; )

FORD

05-02-2011, 01:59 PM

Honestly, I always preferred Sabbath's "Rat Salad" to Moby Dick anyway (including Bill Ward's drum solo over Bonzo's)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOh6ywuksVE

Etienne

05-02-2011, 02:50 PM

Did you all know that the half time shuffle groove of Fool In The Rain from Led Zeppelin was partially an inspiration for Jeff Porcaro to come up with his Rosanna (Toto) groove?

Led Zeppelin - Song Titel: Fool In The Rain

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2015S3A-lg

Jeff Porcaro himself said that he has copied the groove partially...

Watch this: http://www.drummerworld.com/Videos/jeffporcaroshuffle.html

Nitro Express

05-02-2011, 03:15 PM

In terms of rock drummers not too many impress me - because I'm just that self-absorbed and vain. Bonham was a tremendous talent but that annoying little limey wizard-posing, pseudo Devil-worshiping, Howlin' Wolf riff rip-off bashging douche Page limited Bonham's role to a heavy-hitting one. Boring. No wonder he drank himself to death. But it's good to see that soemone knows who Joe Morello is/was.

I always liked the jazz drummers who ended up in rock and roll bands. Ginger Baker, Charlie Watts, Neil Peart. To be honest. As far as rock drummers go I do like Alex Van Halen. Just the thing him, Mike, and Ed had going was unique. He has a unique style and drum sound you can tell it's him. I always loved Alex's snare drum sound.

Kristy

05-02-2011, 04:01 PM

Ginger Baker was never jazz. Case in point:
http://image.kazaa.com/images/66/075678265266/Ginger_Baker_Trio/Going_Back_Home/Ginger_Baker_Trio-Going_Back_Home_3.jpg

Maybe he likes to believe he can play jazz but I would differ. How much I love that album with Frisell's tone bouncing all over the place and Charlie Haden's locked-in bass lines it's Baker himself who seems to have no clue as to what to do. He hits way too hard for one and has no concept of where to place a fill, solo or even a hi-hat. Take Baker off this record and it would be outstanding.

FORD

05-02-2011, 04:24 PM

I always liked the jazz drummers who ended up in rock and roll bands. Ginger Baker, Charlie Watts, Neil Peart. To be honest. As far as rock drummers go I do like Alex Van Halen. Just the thing him, Mike, and Ed had going was unique. He has a unique style and drum sound you can tell it's him. I always loved Alex's snare drum sound.

Bill Ward should be on that list. Sabbath actually started out as a "jazz band" oddly enough, and even well into their career, it wasn't unheard of for Iommi & Ward to go off into jazzville in the middle of a song.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raNI_y5ZYgM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2QufqbBics

chefcraig

05-02-2011, 04:52 PM

Bill Ward should be on that list. Sabbath actually started out as a "jazz band" oddly enough, and even well into their career, it wasn't unheard of for Iommi & Ward to go off into jazzville in the middle of a song.....

I've always felt that Ward played the song, not the beat. To non-musicians, it's a vague distinction, but think of it this way: Rather than set the time like a metronome (or a ticking clock), he tended to play off what music was thrown at him, in effect reacting to nuances in the music. Most drummers of that era were mere time keepers, whereas Ward pushed things in an entirely different direction for what was essentially a blues band, and an altogether average one at that. Ward's playing elevated the band far beyond what was pretty much a dead end street.

lesfunk

05-02-2011, 05:41 PM

Hey Kristy, Here's my boy Kenny I was telling you about. Check him out. You said you like jazz drumming.
I can't believe that we were in a band together... gulp... 20 years ago.
Not bad for a guy who's idol is Ian Paice!

binnie

05-02-2011, 06:11 PM

I've always felt that Ward played the song, not the beat. To non-musicians, it's a vague distinction, but think of it this way: Rather than set the time like a metronome (or a ticking clock), he tended to play off what music was thrown at him, in effect reacting to nuances in the music. Most drummers of that era were mere time keepers, whereas Ward pushed things in an entirely different direction for what was essentially a blues band, and an altogether average one at that. Ward's playing elevated the band far beyond what was pretty much a dead end street.

Around the time of the Heaven & Hell reunion I read an interview where they asked Ward why he wasn't involved. He basically said that the other guys wanted Appice because 'he's a drummer, and I react: there's a difference.' I titally get what he means.

ODShowtime

05-03-2011, 07:03 AM

Just to set the record straight, the piss Bonzo took on a Hong Kong Disco DJ in 1972 is more important than everything kristy has ever done in her worthless life.

Kristy

05-03-2011, 08:38 PM

Heh, Zeppelin fans...you always were a cut above in intelligence when it came to forging arguments.

ODShowtime

05-04-2011, 06:38 AM

Heh, Zeppelin fans...you always were a cut above in intelligence when it came to forging arguments.

There's no need to forge some intricate argument. Just play Immigrant Song. G Flat in two octaves. That's it. Discussion over. Led Zeppelin's music is transcendent and sublime.

It's obvious what you're trying to do, attention whore, and I find it distasteful. You think you're so fucking smart while you make fun of Led Zeppelin and Pink Floyd. You just look like an idiot. It's like complaining about the sun or the ocean.

Well, no more attention from me. Keep flapping your ignorant jaws for everyone else.

Hardrock69

05-05-2011, 03:27 AM

It's like complaining about the sun or the ocean.

:lmao:

FORD

05-05-2011, 11:40 AM

You think you're so fucking smart while you make fun of Led Zeppelin and Pink Floyd. You just look like an idiot. It's like complaining about the sun or the ocean.

Especially "the ocean"......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2QX7GZJRpE

binnie

05-05-2011, 05:35 PM

There's no need to forge some intricate argument. Just play Immigrant Song. G Flat in two octaves. That's it. Discussion over. Led Zeppelin's music is transcendent and sublime.

It's obvious what you're trying to do, attention whore, and I find it distasteful. You think you're so fucking smart while you make fun of Led Zeppelin and Pink Floyd. You just look like an idiot. It's like complaining about the sun or the ocean.

Well, no more attention from me. Keep flapping your ignorant jaws for everyone else.

It's not really. Much as I love Zep, Kristy is just expressing an opinion.

People have always told mee that Clapton is a guitar God, but I've never heard it; maybe Kristy justy doens't hear what we hear in Zep.

FORD

05-05-2011, 06:01 PM

Well, Clapton was arguably a guitar god up through the 70's maybe. He really started making some boring records after that.

binnie

05-05-2011, 06:07 PM

He was boring after Cream, and even Cream (to my ears) seem bloody aimless at times.

FORD

05-05-2011, 06:10 PM

I think he did alright here (though it's never been officially released, and it should have been)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWMNj0Co7VI

Kristy

05-05-2011, 08:22 PM

It's not really. Much as I love Zep, Kristy is just expressing an opinion.

People have always told me that Clapton is a guitar God, but I've never heard it; maybe Kristy just doesn't hear what we hear in Zep.

It's FACT! Then tell me what do you hear in Zeppelin? For me, it repetitive, recycled and highly plagiarized riffs played by a fool who has no ascertainment of originality and a singer who had his balls cut off who writes the most inane lyrics of Hobbitville and other "far away places." If Zep were anything...um, it's difficult to give me credit...I know, they were the Harry Potter's of their time. Happy now?

Oh, and since many of you know who Jack Bruce is this is an interesting read. I think I'm in love with Jack now.
http://www.nme.com/news/led-zeppelin/40867

Kristy

05-05-2011, 08:26 PM

There's no need to forge some intricate argument. Just play Immigrant Song. G Flat in two octaves. That's it. Discussion over.

It most certainly is. But let's reiterate your lame-O argument anyway: one chord and two notes...yep, about the extant of Jimmy Page's playing intellect.

chefcraig

05-05-2011, 08:42 PM

This is pretty cool.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fu0zivmnpzY&feature=related

Kristy

05-05-2011, 08:48 PM

Especially "the ocean"...

That's awful.

SunisinuS

05-05-2011, 08:58 PM

And again...glad it mostly was just talking about drums.....I thought since the "heroin addict" and such were out of it....we were not really going to discuss LZ..... but still today I admire that shuffle that John can put into his drums when he wants. Pours one out on the curb.

Kristy

05-05-2011, 09:00 PM

I don't whether to laugh or cry.

Guitar Shark

05-05-2011, 09:09 PM

If those are truly high schoolers, that's not bad at all.

Kristy

05-05-2011, 09:12 PM

I'd say better than the real thing because, you know, there was nothing real abut the real thing to begin with.
http://tubbotwins.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/picture-8.png

Nitro Express

05-05-2011, 09:21 PM

After a 23 July show[71] at the Days on the Green festival at the Oakland Coliseum in Oakland, California, John Bonham and members of the band's support staff were arrested after a member of promoter Bill Graham's staff was badly beaten during the band's performance.[21][72] The following day's second Oakland concert[73] would prove to be the band's final live appearance in the United States.

Bill Graham painted Led Zeppelin as a bunch of assholes, who had mobster thug managment, and extremely scummy drug dealer connections. He said the only nice guy in the bunch was Robert Plant. He said the band wanted him to hand deliver a huge advance in cash. It was so much money Graham had to go to several banks to get it. He shows up with the cash and the drug dealers were there personally to collect. He said he never saw anything like it and these were the type of dealers who would kill you dead.

ThrillsNSpills

05-05-2011, 10:17 PM

If you like something listen to it if you don't why talk about it so you can perpetuate hate over something? "Fixhate"? :)

However I can relate to a degree because I detest things like Losing My Religion by Rem and that song Misery by um, Soul asylum was it?

I think what's great about Bonham is he's got chops and dynamics, and his ability to accent certain elements and make you feel what he's playing. The Bass player in Zeppelin is unique because he doesn't play the same riffs as Page does, like in the Ocean he eliminates notes here and there. Their clone bands never picked up on that and when the bass does the exact same thing as the guitar many times it's just flat. Understanding if you hate it it means nothing, but if the question comes up why do people like Zep this is just my experience studying what they do musically. I don't care about lyrics much, but I like dynamics and power and the chemistry of the 4 or 5 players and that's in any band. I think that Alex Van Halen is one of the most underrated drummers on the planet: listen to the drums on House of Pain, Drop Dead Legs, Simple Rhyme, etc. The guy's amazing, and he's a Bonham student so to speak.

I do know Kristy's not alone in her zep hate. My brother in law said it sounded like garbage can music to him and my brother once said it sounded like somebody falling down the stairs. I remember reading a newspaper clip that said listening to Zeppelin music and music that had starts and stops in it was bad for your muscles (or something equally ridiculous).

Nickdfresh

05-05-2011, 10:32 PM

I was never a big Zeppelin fan until I heard How the West was Won, and I was hooked. I couldn't stand them in high school because they were so nauseatingly overplayed, seemed to lack a definitive personality (before the internet and after their heyday), and had lyrics filled with Dungeons and Dragon shit. But looking back, I sort of get it. But I still think they're a bit overrated and lacked consistency, mainly due to drugs...

FORD

05-05-2011, 10:53 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luDgb5vVHuA

FORD

05-05-2011, 10:57 PM

FORD

05-05-2011, 10:58 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOWrYV7prvw

SunisinuS

05-06-2011, 12:47 AM

Well when I was Ten...I used to sit in a car with my dad and mom and my sister....travelling state through state.....and "In Through Out the Door" got me through it. Not because of the "Heroin Addict" or the noise....it was because John and John Paul Jones made me not listen to it.....in the song above...at the top....watch the states slip on down the highway...as the drummer skates you away..... "In the Evening" just allowed me to go to sleep by myself in the camper top after I convinced...regardless of no seat belt...to let me sleep in the sleep over cab as they kept driving below me.....still in that same 4 door truck carrying us all.

This was the next step...only when I was older did I learn that Bonham puked himself to death...and there was such a thing as heroin that would claim many more both in the past of my temporary existence and I am sure in the future...... it was just drums in my head....that made me a Fool in the Rain.

So I am a drummer. Forgive me my ability to get on.

Hardrock69

05-06-2011, 01:03 AM

I was a fan in the 70s. The 1980 tour, the closest they were coming to Wichita, KS was Chicago. Saw Song Remains The Same at a movie theater at a midnight movie.

Then the day tickets went onsale for the Chicago show, it was announced Bonzo was dead.

Made do with audio bootlegs of Zep over the next 2 decades. Then I got How The West Was Won, and it tore my fool head off.

I mean, I had read and heard about how Zep was astonishingly good, and having only seen SRTS I could sort of understand it, but the new stuff released on HTWWW freaked me out at how incredible they were when they were shit hot.

It is no wonder they got to be so fucking huge.

Saw Page and Plant in Kansas City in 98. 4 piece band. Closest thing I will ever get to seeing Led Zep. And man they surely did kick my fucking ass that night.

sonrisa salvaje

05-06-2011, 05:08 PM

Zep rules. Another example of European bands kicking the shit out of American music since the 70's.

chefcraig

05-06-2011, 06:26 PM

Zep rules. Another example of European bands kicking the shit out of American music since the 70's.

Or more accurately, regurgitating American music since the 50's.

SunisinuS

05-06-2011, 09:26 PM

Well Kristy is correct....Page never did take care of himself well...

http://www.realbollywood.com/news/up_images/11127601.jpg

FORD

05-06-2011, 10:09 PM

That's not Page.

ashstralia

05-06-2011, 10:20 PM

looks more like a triple mouf keef...

FORD

05-06-2011, 10:25 PM

Of course Keef and Page were known to work together once in a great while......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cw-2iEzZ-F8

SunisinuS

05-06-2011, 11:03 PM

looks more like a triple mouf keef...

:biggrin:

Hardrock69

05-06-2011, 11:35 PM

God that is fucking weird....

SunisinuS

05-06-2011, 11:41 PM

Kristy fell asleep on it. Or she has company....

Nickdfresh

05-07-2011, 12:13 AM

It wasn't Dungeons and Dragons shit. It was JRR Tolkein shit! :biggrin:

But then I realized it wasn't about either....

Kristy

05-07-2011, 11:38 PM

Kristy fell asleep on it. Or she has company....

No I didn't. I'll admit Zep must be a generational thing (say, apart from those high school kids) that I just don't get. I was born in 1983 so I missed out on the 70's heyday hub-bub that was Zeppelin but even so I will never understand that band; I mean, I can get others from that decade like The Who, Bowie, T Rex probably because they possessed some originality but Zep just bores me to tears.

Diamondjimi

05-08-2011, 12:04 AM

I'd say better than the real thing because, you know, there was nothing real abut the real thing to begin with.
http://tubbotwins.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/picture-8.png

Pffft...

That was probably made by some Emo Faggot...

Diamondjimi

05-08-2011, 12:09 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luDgb5vVHuA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOWrYV7prvw

No I didn't. I'll admit Zep must be a generational thing (say, apart from those high school kids) that I just don't get. I was born in 1983 so I missed out on the 70's heyday hub-bub that was Zeppelin but even so I will never understand that band; I mean, I can get others from that decade like The Who, Bowie, T Rex probably because they possessed some originality but Zep just bores me to tears.

Smoke a fatty or kill a bottle of your favourite wine/booze (or both), peel off your clothes, dim the lights and make hot monkey love to your partner and deny these songs are not a great soundtrack for bumping uglies to.... :sex:

Kristy

05-08-2011, 04:25 PM

One thing about Zep fans...they are sensitive!

Dave's Bitch

05-08-2011, 04:33 PM

But like oh my god they are like the greatest band ever.That song stairway to heaven really rocks;)

Diamondjimi

05-08-2011, 05:35 PM

One thing about Zep fans...they are sensitive!

No, just making the point of, you don't have to be from that decade or era to find some great music they had to offer.
Sure, they borrowed shamelessly, but their style was unique...

binnie

05-08-2011, 06:01 PM

One thing about Zep fans...they are sensitive!

My dad didn't love me enough.

Terry

05-08-2011, 10:02 PM

It's not really. Much as I love Zep, Kristy is just expressing an opinion.

People have always told mee that Clapton is a guitar God, but I've never heard it; maybe Kristy justy doens't hear what we hear in Zep.

I've never heard it with Clapton, either. Not even with Cream.

sonrisa salvaje

05-09-2011, 12:51 PM

One thing about Zep fans...they are sensitive!

I'm taking my ball and going home. Sniff. Sniff.

Kristy

05-09-2011, 01:48 PM

No, just making the point of, you don't have to be from that decade or era to find some great music they had to offer.
Sure, they borrowed shamelessly, but their style was unique...

ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGG GGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! The "point" is they had little, if any "great music" to offer. But, okay, I'm game, here's the Zep I can at least tolerate.

Page's solo on 'Tangerine'
Um....:umm:

:umm:(still thinking...)

Oh, I know, 'Down By The Seaside' is an okay summer soundtrack song but not really.
Bonham played some terrific drum fills om 'Achilles's Last Stand'

Happy?

Hardrock69

05-09-2011, 04:04 PM

Funny, you dislike them so much, yet you cannot completely trash them, no matter how much you try! :biggrin:

Nitro Express

05-09-2011, 04:06 PM

ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGG GGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! The "point" is they had little, if any "great music" to offer. But, okay, I'm game, here's the Zep I can at least tolerate.

Page's solo on 'Tangerine'
Um....:umm:

:umm:(still thinking...)

Oh, I know, 'Down By The Seaside' is an okay summer soundtrack song but not really.
Bonham played some terrific drum fills om 'Achilles's Last Stand'

Happy?

You probably blasted a big poster of Jimi Page with that Kalashnikov. :biggrin:

Kristy

05-09-2011, 04:55 PM

Funny, you dislike them so much, yet you cannot completely trash them, no matter how much you try! :biggrin:

Oh, I can trash Zep no problemo. I'm just walking on eggshells for all you sensitive types.

binnie

05-09-2011, 05:31 PM

I'm curious as to whether this Zeppelin-phobia is a product of general dislike of rock (or hardfer rock) music.

I know you love jazz/blues Kristy, but what are your favourite rock bands?

Kristy

05-12-2011, 01:30 AM

I know you love jazz/blues Kristy, but what are your favourite rock bands?

You mean like hard rock bands? I'm going to have to think about that one and get back to you on it.

SunisinuS

05-14-2011, 12:37 PM

Closing this thread...

:baaa:

Again....all I wanted to hear mostly was John Bonham doing a little drummin'. So I can understand the rest of the band being classified.....but I close my eyes and hear some good drumming. Moby Dick....the title makes fun of the solo.

RIP.

PETE'S BROTHER

05-14-2011, 12:42 PM

opening......

ThrillsNSpills

05-14-2011, 12:50 PM

HMMM Page's solo on Tangerine or Eddie's horrible solo on Humans Being?(the ascending part, not the tapping). but he was probably angry when recording.

cringeworthy.

chefcraig

05-14-2011, 01:13 PM

HMMM Page's solo on Tangerine or Eddie's horrible solo on Humans Being?(the ascending part, not the tapping). but he was probably angry when recording.

cringeworthy.

If you feel like engaging in some serious masochism, check out the live versions of "Humans Being" from the 2004 debacle tour at Youtube. I won't post, embed them or provide links, because even though I can be a mean-spirited jerk at times, NO ONE is that cruel.

http://i53.tinypic.com/2hgs607.gif

SunisinuS

05-14-2011, 01:54 PM

Not trying to add fuel to a fire...but sounds like someone is trying to build a cult of personality for themselves...lol never seen Dave this serious:

But hey....everyone likes to nail a hot chick!

Good Un Ya. If you can snarf some more pussy by being emo....go for it. But I found this link hooked right up to Jimmy Page...who is older now...fat and happy...and off the Flower. So forgive and forget?

ThrillsNSpills

05-14-2011, 02:15 PM

If you feel like engaging in some serious masochism, check out the live versions of "Humans Being" from the 2004 debacle tour at Youtube. I won't post, embed them or provide links, because even though I can be a mean-spirited jerk at times, NO ONE is that cruel.

http://i53.tinypic.com/2hgs607.gif

Good man Chef. Thanks I got enough problems. :)

gotta hand it to Kristy though for picking one of the worst Page solos to make a point though.
C'mon though, Achilles Last Stand is one of the best angry songs there is. Zep and the Stones have something in common in that if either would have had a different drummer it wouldn't have worked.

ThrillsNSpills

05-14-2011, 03:23 PM

this song is awful

I hate zeppelin.

:)

Hats off to Harper is a bit of a nightmare though.
especially backwards

at loud volumes

Nitro Express

05-14-2011, 04:04 PM

ThrillsNSpills

05-14-2011, 04:18 PM

I wonder who was the first person to play Stairway backwards....

and how many records did this person play backwards to project a message?

I always thought that was the most ridiculous thing to perpetuate but people need something to do and someone to convince if they're not doing gratifying things.

Nitro Express

05-14-2011, 04:21 PM

Kristy

05-15-2011, 06:26 PM

Kristy

05-15-2011, 06:41 PM

Jimmy Page knew it was all about vibe. You can hear a very good technical guitarist that can literally put you to sleep and a very simple guitarist that can move you. It's communication more than anything and Jimmy got that.

That just pisses me off. Page "grooving" to Link Wray. Maybe that's because I'm that delusional that Link was my father - well, him and Satan - because nobody, and I mean nobody was cooler with a guitar in hand than Link.
http://assets.rollingstone.com/assets/images/music/lists/100-greatest-guitarists-of-all-time/306x306/link-wray.jpg

The man just bleeds coolness. Oh, and originality, of course.

binnie

05-15-2011, 06:52 PM

I actually think that Link kinda looks like a geography teacher living out his dreams on a Saturday night. I guess coolness is subjective, huh?

He can play though - no-one can dispute that.

Kristy

05-15-2011, 06:53 PM

But hey....everyone likes to nail a hot chick!

:headlights: Eh, I'm not into chicks myself but if I was...give me Mona!
http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/9204/00010m5xj.jpg
I wouldn't mind looking like that for at least 20 seconds of my otherwise miserable life.

So Jack likes Son House - not surprising. Must have came from his Catholic alter boy rebellion. Son sings like a well-worn hound dog that been kicked around way too many times doesn't he - trying to find salvation in the deepest swamps of Louisiana.

Kristy

05-15-2011, 06:56 PM

I actually think that Link kinda looks like a geography teacher living out his dreams on a Saturday night. I guess coolness is subjective, huh?

He can play though - no-one can dispute that.

More like the demented chemistry teacher who manufactures meth in his spare time - the original Breaking Bad dad.

binnie

05-15-2011, 06:56 PM

:headlights: Eh, I'm not into chicks myself but if I was...give me Mona!
http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/9204/00010m5xj.jpg
I wouldn't mind looking like that for at least 20 seconds of my otherwise miserable life.

So Jack likes Son House - not surprising. Must have came from his Catholic alter boy rebellion. Son sings like a well-worn hound dog that been kicked around way too many times doesn't he - trying to find salvation in the deepest swamps of Louisiana.

Notice the guy behind Mona is starring straight at her ass :D

You really are hard on yourself, Kristy. Attractiveness isn't a competition - its about making what you have work for you. Oh, and liking Led Zeppelin :D.

binnie

05-15-2011, 06:58 PM

More like the demented chemistry teacher who manufactures meth in his spare time - the original Breaking Bad dad.

I'm just not seeing that. He looks goofy to me. Like The Fonze cross-bred with Lurch.

Like I said, though - great player.

Kristy

05-15-2011, 07:14 PM

Notice the guy behind Mona is starring straight at her ass :D

If I was that close to her, chances would be good that I'd be staring at her ass as well - you know, in a non-gay but totally judgmental way. Her and Edita Vilkeviciute have to be the most beautiful women on earth.

http://www.supermodels.nl/ModelPics/editavilkeviciute/151.jpg

Kristy

05-15-2011, 07:16 PM

I'm just not seeing that. He looks goofy to me. Like The Fonze cross-bred with Lurch.

Jimmy Page has you totally hypnotized. But there is help.

ashstralia

05-15-2011, 07:19 PM

god i wish jeff buckley was still alive.:(

Kristy

05-15-2011, 07:22 PM

god i wish jeff buckley was still alive.:(

Really? Why? I always thought 'Grace' was one overrated record.

hambon4lif

05-15-2011, 07:23 PM

Why doesn't this thread just die already?

So Kristy doesn't like Led Zeppelin.....

.....SO FUCKING WHAT!!

Who cares?!??

Kristy

05-15-2011, 07:26 PM

Like I said...sensitive.

SunisinuS

05-15-2011, 07:28 PM

I tried to close it. Let's do so.

ThrillsNSpills

05-15-2011, 08:50 PM

What a douchey drag Page really is. Even noodling on a mandolin he's boring. Sorry guys, I can't buy into the hype that is/was Jimmy Page. As for Jack White, besides wanting to fuck the shit out of him (if he wasn't already married) at leaset he gives respect to the artist he claims to be influenced by.

I stole this from a blog because I really hate posting links:

"When Page try’s to play fast, he sounds similar to when you try to run through quicksand. A lot of effort but no results. Just sooo fuckin’ sloppy. And combining booze and heroin isn’t quite the “breakfast of champions” as I recall. Not to mention his guitars are junk.*

Every time I see a video clip or photo of Page after he plays a lead, he looks like an old black and white movie version of Dr. Frankenstein’s assistant Igor with those huge bug eyes, doing a wheezing laugh and drool streaming down the center of his bottom lip. The fact that Page is still alive shows he’s a freak of nature. And with this impending reunion “joke” of a tour that may happen, you just know one or all of these feeble and decrepit hacks are gonna drop dead before it’s all over. This is another example of millions of ex-hippies having another opportunity to get fucked up and go see one of their favorite drug addict, alcoholic shit bands one more time."

*Now I don't agree that Jimmy's guitars are junk. Actually, with more money than God, the guy actually has a decent, if not, one impressive collection. But the guy is right, Page is a another no-talent fuck up; excessive alcohol intake, heroin and just general bad sense of self-care is why the dude looks like he does - a decrepit hippie/ex-junkie. For I think there are plenty of men out there in their mid-60's who look good if not better when they were in their mid-20's. Page, of course, isn't one of them.

If I ever met the guy (Gawd forbid!) who knows, we might get along but I could not keep any promises not to tear his limey nuts off he ever brought up the subject that Zep were the "bastard children" of Howlin' Wolf. To me, the guy has always been the Golden Calf of rock so if yo want to worship his falseness, go right ahead. None of your endless Zep YouTube clips bother me in the least.

Kristy..................

I LOVE ZEPPELIN. I don't post clips to bother you, however

I was just not saying what I should have said in the first place that focusing on things like love and making yourself happy is much more rewarding than going through life compulsively judging and having to label things. Somebody who is self actualizing or in dharma or whatever you want to call it isn't judging because at that point it becomes unnecessary. I like raucous, bashing hard rock because I basically grew up angry and just learned to channel it into recording guitar music.
It's nobody's fault (but mine, heh heh) that people grow up suppressed and don't throw themselves 1000 percent into things that would give them better self esteem because people have these stupid shitty things called egos and we're conditioned to think we are lessers and if we fail once we're failures instead of seeing the experience as feedback. Of course the propaganda box that serves as babysitter does nothing to remedy this and that's intentional.
Bascially I don't want you to be angry. Snap out of it. Focus on music you love.
Personally I find it easier to hate Britney's music. She has a song "If You Seek Amy."
Can you believe that. Pretty sick fucking industry don't you think? I forgot this is internet so since people don't breathe while they're sitting on their asses (told you I was angry) that spells FUCK ME. Real nice message for a child to hear, right? If you prattle on and on about hating zeppelin,(who everyone loves here except 1 person) then you'll end up being judged yourself, not that you care and you shouldn't. Hate country western instead.
Listen to some Schenker , or better yet play an instrument because if you channel that emotion into a performance or whatever you're inclined to do you could move mountains. Here, listen to this at loud volumes and beat pillows :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxS4lqppZ6Y

There's plenty of shit to make us sour especially if you really look at the shit that goes on , why should it be an old guitar guy with a Thomas Jefferson haircut?

Kristy

05-15-2011, 11:32 PM

Kristy,

I LOVE ZEPPELIN. I don't post clips to bother you, however

Bascially I don't want you to be angry. Snap out of it. Focus on music you love.
Personally I find it easier to hate Britney's music. She has a song "If You Seek Amy."
Can you believe that. Pretty sick fucking industry don't you think? I forgot this is internet so since people don't breathe while they're sitting on their asses (told you I was angry) that spells FUCK ME. Real nice message for a child to hear, right? If you prattle on and on about hating zeppelin,(who everyone loves here except 1 person) then you'll end up being judged yourself, not that you care and you shouldn't. Hate country western instead.

Listen to some Schenker , or better yet play an instrument because if you channel that emotion into a performance or whatever you're inclined to do you could move mountains. Here, listen to this at loud volumes and beat pillows :)

There's plenty of shit to make us sour especially if you really look at the shit that goes on , why should it be an old guitar guy with a Thomas Jefferson haircut?

Do I really sound that angry over Zeppelin? I can tell you that I'm not. More rather, I see them as a counterfeit to what is true and pure out there in music. Yes, they were a talented band (minus the singer and guitar player) but to me that's means nothing if what they are doing is so borrowed and unoriginal. Now everybody steals form everyone else but the trick is not only to get caught but to act like a respectable human when doing so. Zeppelin made millions while those they stole from pretty much died penniless and unforgotten. And even to this day, Page & Co. don't give credit for their success where credit is certainly due.

Could be that I never was raised on Zeppelin. On Sundays, after chores my dad (who could have been Link Wray) used to sit me and my sister down ad play records - anything from Dave Brubeck to Neil Young boring us to death in order to try to get us to "feel" the music - the true craftsmanship, the message in the music and all that shit. He had records by Blind Willie McTell, Ledbelly, John Lee Hooker, Big Bill Broomzy, Charlie Patton and yes, even Howlin' Wolf. Most of the blues really bored me - because the "message" as I understood it at the time was a vile and unattractive one: cheating wimmin', excessive alcohol intake, struggling in poverty, and in some extreme cases, murder. But then I realized as I got older and re-listened to his records years after his death that the message was one of the human condition; some of it was also generational and cultural as well but mostly it was about the suffering of the human condition.

Then the "da blooz" made so much sense to me - because it was a language of hope and wisdom that in life everybody suffers and gets shit on whether deserving or not. Now, "da blooz" doesn't solely belong to the the poor, the destitute, or the lonely but to us all. So whenh I hear Howlin' Wolf singing 'Hidden Charms' or 'Spoonful' there is a dichotomy to his songs in that not only is he singing about love but a pain in that the love he feela is never quite enough.

And "da blooz" crosses all boundaries and all types of music. Hank Willaims knew what is was like to be fucked over, as did Johnny Cash, to lose love - or the love in which Howlin' Wolf sang about - as did Miles Davies, Hank Mobley, even Dave Brubeck. I guess the point I'm getting at is that the "message" has to be genuine and when I hear Zeppelin attempting to play "da blooz" not only don't I hear it but I don't feel it as well if that makes sense. What Zeppelin represents to me is a pseudo-blues; they were suburban kids from Birmingham, England for fuck's sake who never lived the life they sang about - or if they did it was much later on in life for them. In other words of other words, I'm sure Jimmy Page had experienced "da blooz" but to me, he never did anything original with his talent in expressing them. So fuck him. He's a fraud. And hes not the only one: Clapton with his endless and revisionist shit on Robert Johnson makes me want to cringe. "Da blooz" has nothing to do with selling your soul to anyone unless, of course, you're selling yourself out for quick fame and fortune.

And "da blooz" is not limited to to some race and/or culture which bands like Zeppelin tend to have a pigeon hold on. So you can keep your Zeppelin they do nothing for me. When I think of feeling in music of what I personally been through people like Howlin' Wolf help me to see it through it and, to be more modern when I heard Morphine do 'Thursday' which is a song about an affair that to me is "blooz" for back in 2006 I was involved with a married man myself (I'm still in love with him) and the destructive fall out of such a relationship still haunts me to this minute. So yeah, this is "da blooz" to me although it may not do anything for you - but I'll take it over any Zep tune any day.

Or when I think of the death of my sister who I so dearly miss (although it's not really a "blooz" tune with cliche lyrics and I'm not really not big on David Gray- the dude plays music for yuppies but the song makes me cry every time I hear because she was the world to me...so "da blooz is a matter of perspective, really)

Diamondjimi

05-15-2011, 11:36 PM

http://membres.lycos.fr/fredrichung/forum/i%20like%20were%20this%20thread%20is%20going.jpg

Anonymous

05-15-2011, 11:50 PM

If I was that close to her, chances would be good that I'd be staring at her ass as well - you know, in a non-gay but totally judgmental way. Her and Edita Vilkeviciute have to be the most beautiful women on earth.

No, they're not. They're not even fit to kiss Cindy Crawford's feet, though I'd pay good money to see that.

Anyways, I have to say I kinda agree with you on Led Zeppelin, although not as strong heartedly. They are ridiculously overrated, but I do enjoy listening to their stuff once in a while. Considering them the Holy Grail of modern music is a bit retarded, though.

Don't get me wrong, they were four talented kids who had their fun & became multi-millionaires in the process & that alone is worthy of some respect, but they were far from a tight band.

All in all, they should be a band for avid music fans to discover eventually, not "gods" to be worshipped. That's my opinion, anyway... and as we all know, opinions are like cunts. Everyone's a different one.

Cheers! :bottle:

Kristy

05-15-2011, 11:51 PM

You know, that David Gray tune was a horrible, horrible choice - but hey, I'm drunk on cheap wine with bad grammar and for now, I'll stick with that as a poor excuse.

Kristy

05-15-2011, 11:56 PM

http://membres.lycos.fr/fredrichung/forum/i%20like%20were%20this%20thread%20is%20going.jpg

You know what, go suck Jimmy Page's dick elsewhere, okay?

Cindy Crawford? Really? She must be pushing 40 now.

Kristy

05-16-2011, 12:04 AM

Even this, this is more "blooz" then Zep ever could ever hope to achieve and they were parodying da blooz for fuck's sake. That's it. I made my argument. The fuck with you all. I'm out of this weird thread.

Anonymous

05-16-2011, 12:05 AM

Cindy Crawford? Really? She must be pushing 40 now.

Really.

Cindy in her heyday...

http://img571.imageshack.us/img571/5899/cindycrawford01.jpg

Cindy in her 40s.

http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/2904/cindycrawford2011.jpg

Sweet mammy... how I love ya, how I love ya...

Plus, she's alot more "full-figured" now.

I would so much it wouldn't even be funny. I mean, she'd laugh a whole lot, but...

Cheers! :bottle:

Anonymous

05-16-2011, 12:09 AM

But I'm sorry, I'm being rude. This thread isn't about Cindy, it's about you... wait, maybe in this particular case, it's a good thing to shift attention from you, but... maybe not to another woman.

So...

How about those Lakers?

Cheers! :bottle:

Nitro Express

05-16-2011, 12:11 AM

That just pisses me off. Page "grooving" to Link Wray. Maybe that's because I'm that delusional that Link was my father - well, him and Satan - because nobody, and I mean nobody was cooler with a guitar in hand than Link.
http://assets.rollingstone.com/assets/images/music/lists/100-greatest-guitarists-of-all-time/306x306/link-wray.jpg

The man just bleeds coolness. Oh, and originality, of course.

I totally agree. That's why I had to be honest and give Pagie some points for having some good taste. Link Wray is the shit. To be cool on the guitar you have to go through the Chuck Berry portal and then you have to go through the Link Wray portal.

Kristy

05-16-2011, 12:13 AM

Oh, change my post. Really funny, you guys.

Kristy

05-16-2011, 12:16 AM

Plus, she's alot more "full-figured" now.

So she can still kick the shit out of all those young anorexic pseudo-bohemian types. Oh yay for her.

Anonymous

05-16-2011, 12:32 AM

So she can still kick the shit out of all those young anorexic pseudo-bohemian types. Oh yay for her.

I sense some bitterness.

C'mon Kristy, you've got alot of assets yourself. Sweet Jaysus, I know alot of women who'd give their right arm to look as good as you do & believe me, they ain't exactly hard on the eye themselves.

Methinks all you need is to do the Licker's effort - snap out of your misery long enough to exude an air of confidence & control & pretty soon your life will improve considerably in all aspects.

Then, when you're a successful, billionaire woman - I haven't got to that part yet & I'm not sure I'll ever be a woman - that's, when you can afford to wallow in misery & self destruct H. Hughes style. Well,that's me plan, anyway.

I'm lost. Where was I? You see, I'm a bit drunk, meself, but on scotch. Thank whoever the fuck it is that remembered to include a spell checker in Opera.

Oh, yeah, I remember. Actually, I don't. Lemme read me what I wrote again. Wait just a second.

Hmm... confidence, sucess, Hughes... oh, yeah.

Stop pretending other women are better looking than you & realize that a strong-willed, beautiful woman like you is a highly sought after rarity in this world.

Cheers! :bottle:

Diamondjimi

05-16-2011, 12:32 AM

You know what, go suck Jimmy Page's dick elsewhere, okay?

How Rude™

What in the fuck makes you think I'm a Zeppelin worshipper? Really, fuckin tell me .I'd like to know...

Issues? Yup, you got 'em. You need some serious therapy.

You AND Cindy Crawford both need to gag on my cock...

Krispy : Roth Army's reigning attention whore!

Kristy

05-16-2011, 12:34 AM

How Rude™

What in the fuck makes you think I'm a Zeppelin worshiper? Really, fuckin tell me. I'd like to know...

You AND Cindy Crawford both need to gag on my cock...

Fuck off, frozen hillbilly.

Kristy

05-16-2011, 12:42 AM

C'mon Kristy, you've got alot of assets yourself. Sweet Jaysus, I know alot of women who'd give their right arm to look as good as you do & believe me, they ain't exactly hard on the eye themselves.

:barf:You haven't seen me drunk or in the morning. Or, worse, drunk in the morning.

Anonymous

05-16-2011, 12:48 AM

:barf:You haven't seen me drunk or in the morning. Or, worse, drunk in the morning.

Perfect.

I HATE people who are instantly perfect in the morning.

When I wake up, woe be to whomever speaks to me before I bathe, dress & eat.

I may be all sunshine & laffs, but I can kill for so much as a wrong look in me direction before the ritual.

Mornings are a time period when ALL contact, be it verbal, visual or physical are to be avoided at all costs.

Like a girl I once dated told me "You always spend so much time in the bathroom after you wake up... making yourself hot..."

Luckily for her, she told me that AFTER I had me breakfast.

Cheers! :bottle:

lesfunk

05-16-2011, 12:52 AM

you lothario

Diamondjimi

05-16-2011, 12:55 AM

What in the fuck makes you think I'm a Zeppelin worshipper? Really, fuckin tell me .I'd like to know...

Answer the fucking question ...

Fuck off, frozen hillbilly.

:lol: Never heard that one before.

Tell me what the fuck is it that people ski on in the mountains of Colorado, snot?

Anonymous

05-16-2011, 12:58 AM

you lothario

Well, I use a nice cologne.

Cheers! :bottle:

lesfunk

05-16-2011, 01:02 AM

That first one ironically enough, sounds like a bunch of college kids doing a lame impersonation of Zeppelin.
That second one, well, whatever. We're all allowed to like pussified shit music. No harm no foul.

Kristy

05-16-2011, 01:04 AM

David Gray is a pussy - I don't really care.

This is the last time I buy a case of wine for $40

Diamondjimi

05-16-2011, 01:13 AM

What in the fuck makes you think I'm a Zeppelin worshipper? Really, fuckin tell me .I'd like to know...

Answer the question Kristy....

Kristy

05-16-2011, 01:26 AM

Answer the fucking question ...

Other shit I can't stand/totally love

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/images/marchpenguins.jpg

1. Roy and Silo: a couple of gay penguin who live in New York's Central Park Zoo and who have hatched a baby boy penguin! Called Trio! Aaaaaaaaaah! Suck on that, Christians! But – oh my GAWD! What if the mumbojumbilists are right!? What if their crazy god "God" (probably the least imaginative name for a god ever) is real!? And what if it really does hate homosexuals!? Does that mean that Roy and Silo and little baby Trio are going to burn in hell – FOR EVER!?!?!? What a BASTARD! Go get him, Jesus!

http://www.shelleytherepublican.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/jesus-with-rifle-thumb.jpg
2. JESUS: Grrrrrrrr! Arf! Arf! Grrrrr!

http://thatgrapejuice.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/50-Cent1.jpg

3. 50 Cent. Hey, I'll lick yo' lollypop anytime, ya big hunk a punk. In fact the punkest thing about ole 50 is that he is the exact bipolar opposite of boring old has-been Van Morrisson. Yes, apparently Van, who, along with the world's worst ever rock band, U2, has just released an entire album on which he moans on and on and on and on about how he hates pop music and the pop industry and demands to be taken seriously as an "artist". On every single fucking track.

https://www.neodata.com/subfillclients/images/spin_rusure_main_pic_chris_martin.jpg
4. Chris Martin of Coldplay. Apparently Chris has taken to wandering the streets of London at dusk with the hood of his hoodie up. Why? So he can experience life as an 'ordinary person'. Chris, I don't know how to break this to you, dude, but you are an [I]ordinary person. A very, very, very ordinary person. In fact I'm scratching my head here trying desperately to think of a witty way to justify your inclusion in this list. Like, you're so ordinary that you're punk! But you're not, are you? You're just an asshole. A total waste of protein. My dog has shat more interesting people than you.

http://www.news.harvard.edu/gazette/2001/02.01/photos/11-schama-300.jpg

5. Sexy TV historian Simon Schama. The dude might hold suspiciously bourgeois views re the French revolution, but he writes like Hunter S with a pen knife up his urethra.

http://ca.pbsstatic.com/l/98/9698/9780060829698.jpg

6. Serge A Storms – bi-polar hero of the comic crime novels of Tim Dorsey. So I'm listening to the radio and apparently the child physiologists of America are at war with each other. Half the shrinks say the obese kids of America have ADHD. The other half says them 'bipolar' and then one of the contributors defines the 'up' bit of bipolar as "being super happy, as if it were Christmas morning or the day you're going to Disneyland, except it's the average day in school."

That's me, blinking. Um. Ur. You mean that's not normal? Feeling like that? Like all the time? I mean I'm not a mental health hypochondriac or anything...! But what's got me really worried, given that I haven't had even a sniff of depression for almost two days! If I am bi-polar (and how fucking cool would that be?) then the downer, when it comes, is going to be fucking massive. I'm going be like this humongous King-Kong sized bear with like the sorest head ever – for years! A bipolar bear even. Raaaaar!

Anyhoo, this Serge A. Storms is a serial killer with a heart of gold who romps around Florida killing cultural conservatives and while boring everyone he meets with his Wikipedia-like knowledge of pop culture and local history. He is the King of Comedy Serial Killer Folk-Lorists. My fave Serge murder is where he bastes a couple of frat boy vandals in cooking oil, stakes them out on a flat roof and, essentially, bakes them. Or maybe it's where he makes a mugger swallow bullets and then sticks him in a CAT scan. Or where he taxiderms the drugthugs – alive...

There are no brakes on Serge's brain. He is an ADHD addled toddler at the controls of a super-high IQ adult brain. And he is like totally punk rock. Check him out.

That is all. You may go now.

Diamondjimi

05-16-2011, 01:31 AM

~Data~

You still haven't answered the question.... why?

Kristy

05-16-2011, 01:33 AM

Sorry, I'm way too drunk and have gone all Steve Salvicki. Maybe tomorrow...maybe.

Diamondjimi

05-16-2011, 01:39 AM

Savicki? Don't you mean gone all Blaze?...

So suggesting to you that a couple of mellow Zep tunes (and posting vids of said tunes)and saying they're good music to fuck to makes me a sensitive Zeppelin fanatic?

Kristy

05-16-2011, 01:43 AM

See, this is the problem with you Zep heads - way too self absorbed to regard another's opinion that, mellow or not, they may be utter shit.

Good night, Jimmy

Diamondjimi

05-16-2011, 01:48 AM

Hey,I personally could care less if you like Zeppelin or not.

But posting an uncalled for response back @ me such as this...

You know what, go suck Jimmy Page's dick elsewhere, okay?

Is a sure fast way to my shit list...

Kristy

05-16-2011, 01:50 AM

Oh, okay, you're just an asshole then.

Happy?

Diamondjimi

05-16-2011, 01:52 AM

I prefer Frozen Hillbilly...

And I meant want you and Cindy could do for me.... :biggrin:

Nitro Express

05-16-2011, 03:21 AM

David Gray is a pussy - I don't really care.

This is the last time I buy a case of wine for $40

Still beats a box of wine from Walmart.

FORD

05-16-2011, 04:41 AM

$40 a case?Could have got a case of Two Buck Chuck for less than that (depending on state alcohol taxes)

http://afosbrook.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/two-buck-chuck_html1.jpg

binnie

05-16-2011, 04:47 AM

You know, that David Gray tune was a horrible, horrible choice - but hey, I'm drunk on cheap wine with bad grammar and for now, I'll stick with that as a poor excuse.

It was indeed a bad choice. David Gray is just a gruffer version of Coldplay. Music for bedwetters.

binnie

05-16-2011, 04:49 AM

As a historian, it please me that a thread about Jimmy Page has now included Simon Schama. That makes my chosen profession a little cooler (a let's face it, we need the help!)

SilvioDante

05-16-2011, 06:14 AM

Sorry if this has been posted already. I've been trolling this thread for a couple days and I have just one question...

First, for full disclosure, I like Zeppelin. Don't love 'em, don't worship 'em, just like 'em. I do think Page is the WORST rock soloist in history, but I think someone in that group wrote/stole some great riffs. With that said:

Why are they still considered gods 40 years later. I am just curious what you guys think. I am of the opionion, overhyped music fades over the years. Good music stays and grows in popularity over the years.

I seriously would like to hear from both sides here.

chefcraig

05-16-2011, 08:50 AM

Really? Why? I always thought 'Grace' was one overrated record.

Hmmm...one wonders if that opinion was tainted by the notion that Buckley recorded the best "Led Zeppelin" song ever, even though he had to write it himself. The string arrangement, the drums...hell, the vocal acrobatics...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXzsl4_j-Mo&feature=related

I'm astounded that you would find Grace to be overrated. It is one of the most hauntingly spiritual albums ever made in the so-called rock genre, and is particularly moving to anyone who is experiencing (or has experienced) the loss of someone close to them. The idea that it was Buckley's only studio album released in his lifetime (he died shortly after it's release, never realizing his potential) only adds to this.

binnie

05-16-2011, 08:58 AM

Grace is spectacular, no doubt, even if Buckley's vocal's are a little too much for me at times.

All of the subsequent material 'from tha vaults' so to speak, was for the most part underwhelming, however.

If you want to hear a really, really under-rated album which is truly haunting, check out Chris Cornell's 'Euphoria Morning.'

Diamondjimi

05-16-2011, 09:43 AM

I do think Page is the WORST rock soloist in history,

Really.....

Neil Young, CC Deville, Eddie Ojeda........ (ring a bell?)

ashstralia

05-16-2011, 09:46 AM

i saw jeff in a 1500 seat room on feb 20, 1996. it was by far the most viscerally moving performance i've ever witnessed. tickets were 20 bucks at the door. i took my mate tim, saying 'i've got this guy's album, there's no way he'll pull this stuff off live but let's go have a look'. so we shuffled in, camped at the front of the stage. joan wasser, his gf at the time opened with her band, the dambuilders. they were pretty cool. then jeff came out and fucking pinned us to the back wall. holy sweet thumpin jaysus. truly a life changing night. i'm actually welling up typing this. it was really, really, that good. then, 15 months later, he's gone forever. fucking tragedy. there is a reason 'grace' is on a lot of peoples all time best albums list. crikey, listen to 'dream brother' or 'mojo pin'. there is some truly freaky juju in those songs...

chefcraig

05-16-2011, 10:27 AM

Not to mention the fact that Jeff Beck covered not one but two tracks from Grace for his album Emotion and Commotion (“Lilac Wine” and “Corpus Christi Carol”). Although Buckley did not write either song, Beck has stated that it was Buckley's interpretations of the tunes that inspired him to record them.

ashstralia

05-16-2011, 10:33 AM

cheers craig, i didn't know that. i've heard his version of 'nessun dorma', which is pretty cool.

Kristy

05-16-2011, 10:50 AM

It was indeed a bad choice. David Gray is just a gruffer version of Coldplay. Music for bedwetters.

David Gray will be my Roth army albatross, my scarlet letter of shame for many years to come.

binnie

05-16-2011, 11:32 AM

David Gray will be my Roth army albatross, my scarlet letter of shame for many years to come.

:D

You're not alone - that guy sold a fuck of a lot of records.

Kristy

05-16-2011, 11:59 AM

Thanks Binnie. It still doesn't excuse my behavior though

binnie

05-16-2011, 03:09 PM

Everyone is fallible; and everyone has records in their collection that other people think suck.

I think REM were great (note: past tense), but mention them here and people will cry to the heavens. Different strokes for different folks.

I'm sure somewhere, in some dank, dark, desperate pit of a dungeon, there is someone who even thinks that The Ace Diamond Experience rocks.

PETE'S BROTHER

05-16-2011, 03:17 PM

no no no

binnie

05-16-2011, 03:18 PM

That's me in the corner......

binnie

05-16-2011, 03:18 PM

That's me in the spot

binnie

05-16-2011, 03:19 PM

Light, losing my religion.....

hideyoursheep

05-16-2011, 03:51 PM

It's the end of the world as we know it..

PETE'S BROTHER

05-16-2011, 03:54 PM

may 21st

Kristy

05-16-2011, 04:06 PM

Yeah, um...before that happens is there is link to any of Ace's music? It'll be my last (dying) wish.

hideyoursheep

05-16-2011, 04:10 PM

All I wanna know is...would you bang Jack Black?

Kristy

05-16-2011, 04:15 PM

Not in a million-gazillion years.

binnie

05-16-2011, 04:19 PM

Even after a crate of that cheap wine?

Kristy

05-16-2011, 04:26 PM

It's Sutter Home - The Win(o) country of California's finest.

http://www.brandchannel.com/images/FeaturesProfile/467_sutter_home.jpg

I love how their website has a 18+ check before you can see it.

fifth element

05-16-2011, 04:56 PM

SilvioDante

05-16-2011, 05:07 PM

Really.....

Neil Young, CC Deville, Eddie Ojeda........ (ring a bell?)
Point taken. Guess I should have qualified it like "Page is the worst soloist in history that people worship as a guitar god".

ThrillsNSpills

05-16-2011, 10:47 PM

I prefer Frozen Hillbilly...

gotta admit, it has band name potential.

ThrillsNSpills

05-16-2011, 10:53 PM

Light, losing my religion.....

there's a song that inspired russian roulette. :)

Blaze

05-16-2011, 11:30 PM

there's a song that inspired russian roulette. :)
This is true.

Nitro Express

05-17-2011, 01:50 AM

It's Sutter Home - The Win(o) country of California's finest.

http://www.brandchannel.com/images/FeaturesProfile/467_sutter_home.jpg

I love how their website has a 18+ check before you can see it.

For cheap enjoyable wine I like Louis Jardot Burgundy. $6 a bottle. Has a real cork. It's from France. Not too dry, a hint of oak, and not too fruity. It's good stuff and frankly a lot better than some more expensive wines.

hideyoursheep

05-17-2011, 05:23 AM

:turninggay:

hideyoursheep

05-17-2011, 03:58 PM

Aside from being less-than-tight guitar soloists, Neil Young and Jimmy Page do put together good songs..

I mean, everything said about Page "riff stealing" could be applied to Cobain as well...Like Chuck Berry said, "There's nothing new under the sun".

Kristy is entitled to have an opinion...regardless of how unpopular it might be...like the one about wanting to bang Jack White...wow...:019:

Kristy

05-17-2011, 04:16 PM

Neil Young...yeah, his long-winded and unstructured solo's possibly surpass that of David Gilmour. Cobain - too loud and too riff heavy but as for JACK WHITE:yum: I'd fuck his creepy pasty-faced Catholic ass anytime and anywhere. The only thing creepier than him might be his mysteriously labeled supermodel limey wife - so no, in case you're wondering, no threesome.

http://www1.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Model+Muse+Embodying+Fashion+Costume+Institute+1dR-VhTTU4Ll.jpg

She's a horrible musician herself.

binnie

05-17-2011, 05:17 PM

Music CANNOT be too loud.

That is all.

Metal up your ass mothertruckers.

FORD

05-17-2011, 05:42 PM

Everyone is fallible; and everyone has records in their collection that other people think suck.

I think REM were great (note: past tense), but mention them here and people will cry to the heavens. Different strokes for different folks.

Who would have guessed that the drummer would turn out to be the key member in that band? Everything they did after Bill Berry quit has been pretty much useless. Still love their older stuff as much as I ever did though. I'm hoping they do one last tour with Bill when they decide to call it a day (and hopefully only play the older stuff when they do so)

lesfunk

05-17-2011, 05:46 PM

Music CANNOT be too loud.

That is all.

Metal up your ass mothertruckers.
As Felix Pappilardi once said, "Anything that can played quietly can also be played loud."

Kristy

05-17-2011, 05:51 PM

That's great and all but 60's hippie quotes don't count.

lesfunk

05-17-2011, 05:53 PM

they most certainly do. And I agree. It is great and all...

binnie

05-17-2011, 05:54 PM

Not a fan of Hippies?

lesfunk

05-17-2011, 05:56 PM

I don't think Kristy's a fan of much... with the exception of Magicians, Old man weenus , Jazz, and 80's Goth Faggotry.

Kristy

05-17-2011, 06:00 PM

Old man weenus...

Who?:umm:

binnie

05-17-2011, 06:02 PM

Kristy gets a raw deal from some. She just states her opinions bluntly, it doesn't make her some bitter misanthrop.

Some people know what they like and what they don't. Simple as that.

binnie

05-17-2011, 06:03 PM

Who?:umm:

He was a blues singer in the mississippi delta during the 1930s and '40s. Jimmy Page stole most of his riffs on Physical Graffiti.

Terry

05-17-2011, 08:15 PM

...And there's a wino down the road

I should have stolen oreos...

lesfunk

05-17-2011, 09:09 PM

Kristy gets a raw deal from some. She just states her opinions bluntly, it doesn't make her some bitter misanthrop.

Some people know what they like and what they don't. Simple as that.

It doesn't make her not one either.... But I get your point. And if you were in a room alone with Kristy, I sure she would too.

Diamondjimi

05-18-2011, 01:03 AM

Neil Young...yeah, his long-winded and unstructured solo's possibly surpass that of David Gilmour.

:lmao:

See: 2:30 :lol:

See 2:15 :appl:

I don't think Kristy's a fan of much... with the exception of Magicians, Old man weenus , Jazz, and 80's Goth Faggotry.

You forgot attention whoring...

PETE'S BROTHER

05-18-2011, 10:21 AM

I don't think Kristy's a fan of much... with the exception of Magicians, Old man weenus , Jazz, and 80's Goth Faggotry.

capes and pasty mr. white....

Matt White

05-20-2011, 12:46 AM

Hey! I aint Pasty!!!!

UHuH hHhu Hhu huh h hhUHhHUhuUHuhUHuHu.....though I have always LOATHED The Cure.....but hey, "To each his own"

Nitro Express

05-20-2011, 01:16 AM

He was a blues singer in the mississippi delta during the 1930s and '40s. Jimmy Page stole most of his riffs on Physical Graffiti.

Who didn't rip off those mississippi delta guys? Saying southern rock is like saying rock rock.

Nitro Express

05-20-2011, 01:20 AM

I hate to break it to you Kristy but your fuck fantasy Jack White hangs with Jimmy Page. You just can't win. :biggrin:

Diamondjimi

05-20-2011, 01:39 AM

I hate to break it to you Kristy but your fuck fantasy Jack White hangs with Jimmy Page. You just can't win. :biggrin:

More like hangs off of JP's COCH!!!

If Jack White could play the entire solo to Stairway note for note then I might have an ounce of respect for his playing. I think he's 10 times the pretender/fraud Krispy thinks Page is....

Once again, that is just my opinion...

ODShowtime

05-20-2011, 07:06 AM

"Page is the worst soloist in history that people worship as a guitar god".

I disagree with your assertion. Just listen to his solo on the live version of 'Stairway' from The Song Remains the Same. It's breathtaking and majestic. Listen to his solo on Since I've Been Loving You. It's dripping with passion.

When you're talking about Page there are many different stages. 69-72 he was unstoppable. By 77 it depended on what city he was in and what smack he could get. 6/21/77 in LA? Burned the house down. 6/19/77 in San Diego, crappy. 7/17/77 in Seattle, absolutely embarrassing garbage. Like I could literally do better. Everyone has bad days.

To answer someone else's (maybe it was your's) question, you can't say why Led Zeppelin are the kings, they just are. They just reach into your gut and grab you. It has a lot to do with Bonzo and Jonsey too. You can't rationally put down their rhythm section. No objective listener could.

Terry

05-21-2011, 11:15 AM

I disagree with your assertion. Just listen to his solo on the live version of 'Stairway' from The Song Remains the Same. It's breathtaking and majestic. Listen to his solo on Since I've Been Loving You. It's dripping with passion.

When you're talking about Page there are many different stages. 69-72 he was unstoppable. By 77 it depended on what city he was in and what smack he could get. 6/21/77 in LA? Burned the house down. 6/19/77 in San Diego, crappy. 7/17/77 in Seattle, absolutely embarrassing garbage. Like I could literally do better. Everyone has bad days.

To answer someone else's (maybe it was your's) question, you can't say why Led Zeppelin are the kings, they just are. They just reach into your gut and grab you. It has a lot to do with Bonzo and Jonsey too. You can't rationally put down their rhythm section. No objective listener could.

Seattle 1977 actually DOES illustrate quite a bit of what Kristy was saying, and not just in reference to Page either, regarding the overblown indulgent pomposity of Led Zep.

Their early tours, right up until 1971 or so, were consistently excellent.

Page was just one of those players as the 1970s wore on where sometimes he could be brilliant, other times a fumbling amateur...oftentimes within the context of the same concert...and it probably WAS do to him being smacked out. Fucking about with heroin might seem like some kind of cool, romantic rock icon behavior to those who buy into myths. For me, when I look at musicians like Page and Richards, I can only wonder how much was lost because of their addictions.

SunisinuS

05-21-2011, 11:37 AM

The Needle. And now Meth. God I hate that drug....makes shambling skeletons of people who walk the streets with their heads spinning 300 degrees. Now I know speculation.....but I wonder which famous rich rock stars right now....have a secret meth addiction....and how much music will be lost to that. :( Course at least they will vacuum the carpets a lot the first year, but then sell the Vacuum cleaner for more meth.

Bleh I hate what the drug does to my fellow human beings.

FORD

05-21-2011, 11:47 AM

While I'll admit Page had many sloppy performances, mostly thanks to Heroin, half the problem with the Seattle 77 bootleg is that the acoustics in the Kingdome were absolutely terrible, and Zeppelin sounded more like the Supercross dirtbike show than a rock concert.

Upside of those bad acoustics is that it worked well for Seahawks fans, and our ability to frustrate the Hell out of that whiny crybaby John Elway with the noise level, but it really wasn't a great place for concerts ever (though it did improve in the later days once they replaced the ceiling tiles. The Stones & U2 both sounded pretty good there in 1997)

SunisinuS

05-21-2011, 12:42 PM

I always think of Plant talking about how he and Jones wrote "In through the Out Door" by themselves in the dark. Jimmy had the needle, meanwhile Bonham was out in the car getting drunk. In the Dark.

When Page fumbles it is horrific for sure. His fingers turn into Fat Jims (MM) and hitting the right notes is like throwing a hot dog down a hallway for him. But when they were fighting to build something...the band worked very well. It is no wonder that VH covered their songs, beyond just playing the set list for the people at the country club.

And Dave I am sure took to heart how LZ demanded things that other artists were not getting. He took them as one example of the "Biz" of the "Music Biz".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Grant_(music_manager)

In any case.....: Peace to all the kind women out there.

hideyoursheep

05-23-2011, 12:18 PM

but as for JACK WHITE:yum: I'd fuck his creepy pasty-faced Catholic ass...

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ODShowtime

05-24-2011, 07:14 AM

Seattle 1977 actually DOES illustrate quite a bit of what Kristy was saying, and not just in reference to Page either, regarding the overblown indulgent pomposity of Led Zep.

Yeah but I highly doubt the queen bitch has ever listened to the '77 tour or any live Zeppelin. She's just flappin her jaws to get a rise out of people based on what she read in some shithead review somewhere.

I'll play Kristy a 1980 soundboard and then she'll have something to bitch about! Hot Dog live?

chefcraig

05-24-2011, 08:03 AM

At this point, it probably doesn't matter, since she hasn't logged onto the site in about a week.

Diamondjimi

05-24-2011, 05:43 PM

Stir the pot and bail. Modus operandy for trolls and attention whores...

chefcraig

05-24-2011, 07:09 PM

Well, if she ever comes back, this thread can always be re-opened.