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BigBadBrian
06-21-2011, 05:30 PM
A twist in Obama's health care law
LINK (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110621/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_health_overhaul_glitch)
WASHINGTON – President Barack Obama's health care law would let several million middle-class people get nearly free insurance meant for the poor, a twist government number crunchers say they discovered only after the complex bill was signed.

The change would affect early retirees: A married couple could have an annual income of about $64,000 and still get Medicaid, said officials who make long-range cost estimates for the Health and Human Services department.

Up to 3 million more people could qualify for Medicaid in 2014 as a result of the anomaly. That's because, in a major change from today, most of their Social Security benefits would no longer be counted as income for determining eligibility. It might be compared to allowing middle-class people to qualify for food stamps.

Medicare chief actuary Richard Foster says the situation keeps him up at night.

"I don't generally comment on the pros or cons of policy, but that just doesn't make sense," Foster said during a question-and-answer session at a recent professional society meeting.

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"This is a situation that got no attention at all," added Foster. "And even now, as I raise the issue with various policymakers, people are not rushing to say ... we need to do something about this."

Indeed, administration officials and senior Democratic lawmakers say it's not a loophole but the result of a well-meaning effort to simplify rules for deciding who will get help with insurance costs under the new health care law. Instead of a hodgepodge of rules, there will be one national policy.

"This simplification will stop people from falling into coverage gaps and may cause some to be newly eligible for Medicaid and others to no longer qualify," said Brian Cook, spokesman for the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services.

But states have been clamoring for relief from Medicaid costs, complaining that just these sorts of federal rules drive up spending and limit state options. The program is now one of the top issues in budget negotiations between the White House and Congress. Republicans are pushing for a rollback of federal requirements that block states from limiting eligibility.

Medicaid is a safety net program that serves more than 50 million vulnerable Americans, from low-income children and pregnant women to Alzheimer's patients in nursing homes. It's designed as a federal-state partnership, with Washington paying close to 60 percent of the total cost.

Early retirees would be a new group for Medicaid. While retirees can now start collecting Social Security at age 62, they must wait another three years to get Medicare, unless they're disabled.

Some early retirees who worked all their lives may not want to be associated with a health care program for the poor, but others might see it as a relatively painless way to satisfy the new law's requirement that all Americans carry medical insurance starting in 2014. It would help tide them over until they turn 65 and qualify for Medicare.

The actuary's office said the 3 million early retirees who would become eligible for Medicaid are on top of an estimated 16 million to 20 million people that Obama's law would already bring into the program, by opening it to childless adults with incomes near the poverty level. Federal taxpayers will cover all of the initial cost of the expansion.

A spokeswoman for the Senate Finance Committee, which wrote much of the health care law, said if the situation does become a problem there's plenty of time to fix it later.

"These changes don't take effect until 2014, so we have time to review all possible cases to ensure Medicaid meets its mission of serving only the neediest Americans," said Erin Shields.

But Republicans already see a problem.

Former Utah governor Mike Leavitt said adding early retirees will "just add fuel to the fire," bolstering the argument from Republican governors that some of Washington's rules don't make sense.

"The fact that this is being discovered now tells you, what else is baked into this law?" said Leavitt, who served as Health and Human Services secretary under President George H.W. Bush. "It clearly begins to reveal that the nature of the law was to put more and more people under eligibility for government insurance."

The Medicare actuary's office roughed out some examples to illustrate how the provision would work. A married couple retiring at 62 in 2014 and receiving the maximum Social Security benefit of $23,500 apiece could get $17,000 from other sources and still qualify for Medicaid with a total income of $64,000.

That $64,000 would put them at about four times the federal poverty level, which for a two-person household is $14,710 this year. The Medicaid expansion in the health care law was supposed to benefit childless adults with incomes up to 133 percent of the poverty level. A fudge factor built into the law bumps that up to 138 percent.

The actuary's office acknowledged its $64,000 example would represent an unusual case, but nonetheless the hypothetical couple would still qualify for Medicaid.

BigBadBrian
06-21-2011, 05:31 PM

Seshmeister
06-21-2011, 08:03 PM
Sounds like good news, another small step towards a civilized society.

VAiN
06-21-2011, 08:17 PM
64k a year for 2 people who want to live a 'normal' life really is peanuts. I make less than that and I'm having a hard fucking time here... I can't imagine trying to get by on that being a senior with all the medical bills.

Seshmeister
06-21-2011, 08:19 PM
Well those tax cuts for the top 1% need to come from somewhere...

FORD
06-21-2011, 09:06 PM
So let's scrap the whole goddamn thing and bring in a single payer system like the rest of the civilized world, for fucks sake.

bueno bob
06-21-2011, 10:27 PM
So let's scrap the whole goddamn thing and bring in a single payer system like the rest of the civilized world, for fucks sake.

I have absolutely NO problem with that.

This is why the rest of the civilized world laughs at us. Oh, that and the 46 different wars we're bankrupting ourselves with while the third world countries sit and wait.

Can't we just keep talking about Anthony Weiner's penis? So much easier that way, you know?

Hardrock69
06-21-2011, 11:31 PM
Aww....poor widdul Brian!

Hims all sad cause legislation happened that might actually benefit people....:(

:hee:

Him should call up Retardlican Party HQ and say "OH NOES U NOT READ LAW BEFORE YOU VOTE! WHY U NOT NO HAU 2 READ?"
:biggrin:

Nitro Express
06-22-2011, 04:46 AM
So let's scrap the whole goddamn thing and bring in a single payer system like the rest of the civilized world, for fucks sake.

Yeah. Let's just agree Barry is not a natural born citizen and nullify his presidency and all the bills he signed into law and the illegal wars he has started.:biggrin:

Nitro Express
06-22-2011, 04:46 AM
So let's scrap the whole goddamn thing and bring in a single payer system like the rest of the civilized world, for fucks sake.

Yeah. Let's just agree Barry is not a natural born citizen and nullify his presidency and all the bills he signed into law and the illegal wars he has started.:biggrin:

jacksmar
06-22-2011, 03:03 PM
The argument isn't about socialized medicine. It's about if Congress can impose this mandate on everyone. Supporters of socialized medicine should move to any of those 46 countries that provide it. Assholes that voted for The Kenyan Houseboy should volunteer to leave. Soon. Last year. Forever.

You assholes that voted for the halfrican hate the politics surrounding socialized medicine and before your retarded eyes: Lies. Coercion. Broken promises. Political favors.

It's not about the uninsured, it's about a mandate.

When your socialized medicine is denied to you because of rationing; ACO's, I absolutely hope you rot to death.

You'll never know again whether you are getting correct and advanced medical treatment because the doctor giving the advice is on the socialized program.

FORD
06-22-2011, 03:31 PM
Taxes are mandatory (at least in theory, though the rich obviously get around it, but that's another discussion).

This is yet another reason why single payer is a better solution. Everybody SHOULD pay taxes, so use that to convert Medicare into a public insurance system that covers everybody.

Mandated payment to a private corporation should NEVER be required.

bueno bob
06-22-2011, 04:35 PM
The argument isn't about socialized medicine. It's about if Congress can impose this mandate on everyone. Supporters of socialized medicine should move to any of those 46 countries that provide it. Assholes that voted for The Kenyan Houseboy should volunteer to leave. Soon. Last year. Forever.

I seem to recall Bush's supporters telling those yelling and screaming against him the same things not too many years back. I believe the response given was "Hey man! You don't support the President? GTFO of America, you Benedict Arnold!" or something equally retarded. While I could just slip back into that mindset and start saying the same thing to detractors of President/Congress/Policy/etc, it only really begs the question of how many people are actually going to be left in the country if we all left due to disagreements with policy. Eventually I guess there won't be anybody here.


You assholes that voted for the halfrican hate the politics surrounding socialized medicine and before your retarded eyes: Lies. Coercion. Broken promises. Political favors.

We're still talking about the government, right? I suppose there'd have been ABSOLUTELY NO lies, coercion, broken promises and political favors had Sarah Palin won?

Welcome to America!


It's not about the uninsured, it's about a mandate.

When your socialized medicine is denied to you because of rationing; ACO's, I absolutely hope you rot to death.

Of course, the current system has worked out so well thus far?

Not to fear, though, the death panels will be certain to weed out the weak so that the remaining people do in fact get the "best" health care available.


You'll never know again whether you are getting correct and advanced medical treatment because the doctor giving the advice is on the socialized program.

LMAO! As if you fucking know you're getting "correct and advanced" medical treatment now...go get your degree in medicine and get back to me in about eight years.

:)

jacksmar
06-22-2011, 07:20 PM
You can LMAO all you like Gomer, just fucking leave with your socialized medicine . In fact show us a medical bill from one of those 46 countries that have performed a surgical procedure on you Gomer.
I wouldn’t give a fuck if this president had his plane fall out of the sky, fall down head first into a bathroom sink, or had a stroke. Every last one of you Gomers would want president Dumbo treated in the U.S. There’s the flaw in your bullshit 46 countries.
If halfrican Dumbo were to die tomorrow all I want to know is where we set up the stool.
Here’s some real facts:
The AARP types that you think I want to pitch off of cliff won’t get cataract, hernia, disc, or total hip. It’s already in the rationing plan. The will be doctor shortages. They are happening now due to gender equity bullshit in admissions to med school.

From the bullshit law:
With respect to payment for discharges from an applicable hospital (as defined in paragraph (5)(C)) occurring during a fiscal year beginning on or after October 1, 2012, in order to account for excess readmissions in the hospital, the Secretary shall reduce the payments that would otherwise be made to such hospital..

Medicare beneficiary' means a Medicare beneficiary who has attained a minimum hierarchical condition category score, as determined by the Secretary, based on a diagnosis of multiple chronic conditions or other risk factors associated with a hospital readmission or substandard transition into post-hospitalization care, which may include 1 or more of the following:

(A) Cognitive impairment.

(B) Depression.

(C) A history of multiple readmissions.

(D) Any other chronic disease or risk factor as determined by the Secretary.

ObamaCare allows the Health Secretary to disallow treatments or coverage that are not considered "reasonable or necessary." and this decision will be made on the basis of the Patient-Centered Outcomes Research Institute. You don’t know a fucking thing about med school or obamacare Gomer. This shit is online to fuck every one of us. You tards are too stupid to read the fucking law.

FORD
06-22-2011, 07:36 PM
You know, if we had "socialized medicine", you would be able to get the medication that you so obviously need for your mental illness....:cato:

http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/7834/usworldcomparisonhthcar.jpg

Candy Girl
06-22-2011, 08:01 PM
I don't know...look how fucked up government run Medicare is. National healthcare run by the government seems a bit dubious to me. :umm:

Seshmeister
06-22-2011, 08:25 PM
When your socialized medicine is denied to you because of rationing; ACO's, I absolutely hope you rot to death.

You'll never know again whether you are getting correct and advanced medical treatment because the doctor giving the advice is on the socialized program.

That's just crazy nonsense.

I'd rather have an independent body decide how healthcare is rationed if it has to be than the insurance company who has to pay for it.

All other western countries with 'socialised' healthcare allow you to go private in any case. Nobody stops you doing whatever you want.

In the US system you lose over 30% of the money you put in because it goes on insurance and admin bullshit. It's incredibly inefficient.

Why are you so happy to have a 'socialised' military, 'socialised' cops, 'socialised' education?

US doctors are under pressure at all times to maximise their income rather than to look after you. This means over prescribing of treatments which doesn't just help explain why healthcare is so much more expensive in the US it's also not good for your health.

FORD
06-22-2011, 08:26 PM
Medicare worked fine until the BCE started hacking it up and privatizing it piece by piece. If there were no private corporations to leech off of it, there could be no confusion over who should cover what. Or who should be covered.

FORD
06-22-2011, 08:30 PM
Why are you so happy to have a 'socialised' military, 'socialised' cops, 'socialised' education?

well, actually the teabaggers HATE public education. And some of them even cheered on that "privatized" fire department in Kentucky or where ever it was that sat in their trucks and watched a house burn down with a half dozen animals inside a few months back. If Chimpy had turned the entire military over to Blackwater and KBR, they probably would have been OK with it.

jacksmar
06-22-2011, 09:51 PM
TARD, as usual you don’t know what you’re talking about. The VA has been billing insurance companies for services since impeached HillBilly passed a law that REQUIRED them to do so. So if a veteran has insurance they are billed, the veteran pays the difference.

Here’s hoping everyone of you assholes that voted for this piece of shit have a family member or you yourself has a shitload of seizures. Preferably grand mal every so often and you hurt and shake and shit yourself hoping Dumbo’s sociologists look past your readmissions.

TARD, your stupid fucking chart belongs up your ass where you talk out of and think best. It’s not about providing healthcare or insurance, it’s about a mandate. Just like when Bush wanted to hold down costs at the VA by raising eligibility requirements and HE WAS WRONG, this piece of shit wants to do the same thing using his new mandate. These rules reach across to VA benefits.

This shit is online to fuck every one of us. You assholes are too stupid to read the fucking law. Stupid fucking Gomers.

FORD
06-22-2011, 09:56 PM
Fuck off, you piece of shit. I've seen more people dying in the last decade than anybody really needs to in such a short time, the most recent of which was just last night. So don't lecture me on the corporate health care system.

What kind of a sick fuck thinks it's a good idea to move an 85 year old woman with end stage ALS and a broken hip?

The administration of Bill Frist's Cat Killer Hospital Corporation of America, that's who.

jacksmar
06-22-2011, 10:03 PM
By the way TARD, we do not hate education. We hate teaching how to put a rubber on a fake cock rather than educating a student about Shay’s Rebellion or The Spanish – American War.

U.S. education should not have a socialist agenda or a political agenda. It’s pretty simple.

FORD
06-22-2011, 10:11 PM
By the way TARD, we do not hate education. We hate teaching how to put a rubber on a fake cock rather than educating a student about Shay’s Rebellion or The Spanish – American War.

U.S. education should not have a socialist agenda or a political agenda. It’s pretty simple.


No, we should send Bristol Palin to the schools instead, to speak about abstinence. Which would be like sending Sammy Hagar to speak about songwriting.

Or would you rather they used a REAL cock in their demonstrations?

jacksmar
06-22-2011, 10:20 PM
Piece of shit?

You’ve called a lot of us every fucking name in the book but drag a dead or near dying body into the conversation upsets your sensibilities? Pull this one on the left, it plays Jingle Bells.

First off TARD, I’m sorry for the person you’re speaking about. Not you.

Secondly TARD, none of your type shed a single tear when a baby is aborted.
None of your type spend any time in nursing homes, VA’s, or working the desk at some local hospital. Your type are worried about union contract shit, the next protest march, and drug use.

Your city issues needles and you want me to pay for it. You want me to pay for some inner city abortion. Get a clue Gomer.

This shit is online to fuck every one of us. You assholes are too stupid to read the fucking law.

Stay on the topic TARD. This is about boy Dumbo and his mandate. Not about Shithead hagar or big as Bristol TN.

jacksmar
06-22-2011, 10:28 PM
Remove the legal obstacles that slow the creation of high-deductible health insurance plans and health savings accounts (HSAs). The combination of high-deductible health insurance and HSAs is one solution that could solve many of our health-care problems. For example, Whole Foods Market pays 100% of the premiums for all our team members who work 30 hours or more per week (about 89% of all team members) for our high-deductible health-insurance plan. We also provide up to $1,800 per year in additional health-care dollars through deposits into employees' Personal Wellness Accounts to spend as they choose on their own health and wellness.

Money not spent in one year rolls over to the next and grows over time. Our team members therefore spend their own health-care dollars until the annual deductible is covered (about $2,500) and the insurance plan kicks in. This creates incentives to spend the first $2,500 more carefully. Our plan's costs are much lower than typical health insurance, while providing a very high degree of worker satisfaction.

• Equalize the tax laws so that employer-provided health insurance and individually owned health insurance have the same tax benefits. Now employer health insurance benefits are fully tax deductible, but individual health insurance is not. This is unfair.

• Repeal all state laws which prevent insurance companies from competing across state lines. We should all have the legal right to purchase health insurance from any insurance company in any state and we should be able use that insurance wherever we live. Health insurance should be portable.

• Repeal government mandates regarding what insurance companies must cover. These mandates have increased the cost of health insurance by billions of dollars. What is insured and what is not insured should be determined by individual customer preferences and not through special-interest lobbying.

• Enact tort reform to end the ruinous lawsuits that force doctors to pay insurance costs of hundreds of thousands of dollars per year. These costs are passed back to us through much higher prices for health care.

• Make costs transparent so that consumers understand what health-care treatments cost. How many people know the total cost of their last doctor's visit and how that total breaks down? What other goods or services do we buy without knowing how much they will cost us?

• Enact Medicare reform. We need to face up to the actuarial fact that Medicare is heading towards bankruptcy and enact reforms that create greater patient empowerment, choice and responsibility.

• Finally, revise tax forms to make it easier for individuals to make a voluntary, tax-deductible donation to help the millions of people who have no insurance and aren't covered by Medicare, Medicaid or the State Children's Health Insurance Program.

SunisinuS
06-22-2011, 10:33 PM
Right now. If you are both americans. And we were attacked.

FORD
06-22-2011, 11:04 PM
The simple fact is that privatization of health care DOES NOT FUCKING WORK. We need to get past the Reagan lie that government is the "enemy" and remember that the first three words of the Constitution are WE THE PEOPLE. And for that matter, let's remember the words of a decent Republican President (an extinct species now unfortunately) who hoped that "government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth".

WE THE PEOPLE *are* the government. Not some fictional malevolent entity (though sadly a lot of malevolent individuals are currently involved). Not the KKKoch Brothers. Not Gold Mansacks. Not that fucking old Geezer from Australia who owns FAUX Noize. And it's goddamn time we remember that, and catch up with the 21st century.

bueno bob
06-22-2011, 11:05 PM
You can LMAO all you like Gomer,

Well, with your posts being such a goldmine of potential LMAOs, you can't hardly blame me for it.


just fucking leave with your socialized medicine.

Alright, I'll play.

"This is 'MERICA, Mo Fo! Love it er leave it!"(c), etc.


In fact show us a medical bill from one of those 46 countries that have performed a surgical procedure on you Gomer.

As luck would have it, I've had no need for surgical procedures beyond some dental work - dental work which, incidentally, would have been cheaper and of the same quality had I decided to spend as much (or MORE) on the gas for the drive to Canada...had it been feasible for all reasons, I'd have been glad to.


I wouldn't give a fuck if this president had his plane fall out of the sky, fall down head first into a bathroom sink, or had a stroke. Every last one of you Gomers would want president Dumbo treated in the U.S. There's the flaw in your bullshit 46 countries.

Well, the flaw in YOUR bullshit is that the President would have, uh, free health care. Considering he's, you know, THE PRESIDENT and all. Most hospitals would fall all over themselves to be able to admit him, considering.

Paying attention, smarty-pants?


If halfrican Dumbo were to die tomorrow all I want to know is where we set up the stool.

Here we go again...

"You sound like a gal-damned TERRA-IST!"(c)

And, since you lowered your mentality to the Sarah Palin-ism/Faux Entertainment talking point of "Obamacare" word usage, well...sell it to the Tea Party, Bucko.

bueno bob
06-22-2011, 11:13 PM
By the way TARD, we do not hate education.

Which explains why so many of you asshats rail on and on about it and inevitably dilute it into a theology debate. Teach all nineteen of your kids that the world is 6000 years old so that they can aspire to "God Hates Fags" organizational rallies and leave the REAL education alone.


We hate teaching how to put a rubber on a fake cock rather than educating a student about Shay's Rebellion or The Spanish & American War.

Oh, I'm sure all that naughty gay stuff works pretty well for you when it's TWO girls involved, though. Quit preaching. You really think anybody buys it?

I'd shit gold bricks to find any ONE Teabagger rattling on about the "evils" of the public school system while teaching their kids at home about anything greater than 20% rudimentary math & english mixed with 80% uber-Christian far right horseshit. Inevitably, ALL of their arguments about the school system fall back into the same "God in School/Gays Are Evil" crap and not a single fucking one of you has anything to offer other than more useless noise.

Hardrock69
06-23-2011, 12:51 AM
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FORD
06-23-2011, 01:26 AM
Some dude robbed a bank the other day for one fucking dollar?

Why? So he could get health care in fucking PRISON!!

It's time to put an end to this shit. Don't take my word for it, ask a Doctor........


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MqdQMMoip0

binnie
06-23-2011, 04:55 AM
64k a year for 2 people who want to live a 'normal' life really is peanuts. I make less than that and I'm having a hard fucking time here... I can't imagine trying to get by on that being a senior with all the medical bills.

$64,000 a year?

That's $5300 a month. To me, that is far more than a 'normal' lifestyle.


What's the average mortgage payment in the US?

Nitro Express
06-23-2011, 05:07 AM
Some dude robbed a bank the other day for one fucking dollar?

Why? So he could get health care in fucking PRISON!!

It's time to put an end to this shit. Don't take my word for it, ask a Doctor........


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MqdQMMoip0

You forget your Democratic congress and president passed the national healthcare law. Gee you should be happy for it. This is supposedly what was going to fix all this shit. I know it doesn't go into full effect until 2013 but you should be happy as hell the mission is accomplished.:biggrin:

sadaist
06-23-2011, 05:12 AM
$64,000 a year?

That's $5300 a month. To me, that is far more than a 'normal' lifestyle.


What's the average mortgage payment in the US?


It's good money dude. But like, a 'normal' house nowadays your mortgage will be 1,200 - 1,500 per month. Then don't forget property taxes which are another 300-400 per month. Tack on insurance and it wouldnt be too hard to be 1800-2000. Crazy. That's how people get into trouble.

They think shit, we can afford 1200 a month....and then forget about the other stuff.

Then you figure the $64k is for two people. Two car payments say is 500-600 per month plus another 100 for insurance. Then gas at $4 a gallon. And if they have kids, figure a couple hundred bucks a week at the grocery.

Money gets eaten up really fucking fast nowadays. It's crazy to think that $64k is only a normal lifestyle in many states. Now you make that same amount in Wyoming, you're sitting pretty. You earn that in Los Angeles, you're fucked.

Nitro Express
06-23-2011, 05:13 AM
The simple fact is that privatization of health care DOES NOT FUCKING WORK. We need to get past the Reagan lie that government is the "enemy" and remember that the first three words of the Constitution are WE THE PEOPLE. And for that matter, let's remember the words of a decent Republican President (an extinct species now unfortunately) who hoped that "government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth".

WE THE PEOPLE *are* the government. Not some fictional malevolent entity (though sadly a lot of malevolent individuals are currently involved). Not the KKKoch Brothers. Not Gold Mansacks. Not that fucking old Geezer from Australia who owns FAUX Noize. And it's goddamn time we remember that, and catch up with the 21st century.

It worked pretty well and was the envy of the world for many years. It only went to shit when corporations bought it up from local providers and then the corporations bought the politicians. I hate to break your bubble but turning the healthcare system over to a fascist corporate government will not make things better. It used to be people negotiated the price of healthcare with their doctor and worked out a payment plan and in those days, healthcare was affordable for most people. If it wasn't there were plenty of charities that could help out. Nobody was getting sent to prison for healthcare in those days.

Nitro Express
06-23-2011, 05:15 AM
It's good money dude. But like, a 'normal' house nowadays your mortgage will be 1,200 - 1,500 per month. Then don't forget property taxes which are another 300-400 per month. Tack on insurance and it wouldnt be too hard to be 1800-2000. Crazy. That's how people get into trouble.

They think shit, we can afford 1200 a month....and then forget about the other stuff.

Then you figure the $64k is for two people. Two car payments say is 500-600 per month plus another 100 for insurance. Then gas at $4 a gallon. And if they have kids, figure a couple hundred bucks a week at the grocery.

Money gets eaten up really fucking fast nowadays. It's crazy to think that $64k is only a normal lifestyle in many states. Now you make that same amount in Wyoming, you're sitting pretty. You earn that in Los Angeles, you're fucked.

It depends on what part of Wyoming. If that is all you are making in Jackson Hole you are in trouble. You probably could get by pretty well in Casper.

Nitro Express
06-23-2011, 05:21 AM
The argument isn't about socialized medicine. It's about if Congress can impose this mandate on everyone. Supporters of socialized medicine should move to any of those 46 countries that provide it. Assholes that voted for The Kenyan Houseboy should volunteer to leave. Soon. Last year. Forever.

You assholes that voted for the halfrican hate the politics surrounding socialized medicine and before your retarded eyes: Lies. Coercion. Broken promises. Political favors.

It's not about the uninsured, it's about a mandate.

When your socialized medicine is denied to you because of rationing; ACO's, I absolutely hope you rot to death.

You'll never know again whether you are getting correct and advanced medical treatment because the doctor giving the advice is on the socialized program.

It's about the politically connected insurance companies that wrote the bill. The insurance industry played the stupid Democrats like a bunch of fools.:biggrin: They wanted universal healthcare so bad that they rallied behind legislation that made the private insurance industry even more powerful. Now the government is going to force you to buy a product that will provide less. All the stupid Democrats can do now is blame this so called imaginary Tea Party for all their problems. It's always Bubba the tea bagger who goes to church that causes the whole nation's problems.

BigBadBrian
06-23-2011, 06:16 AM
I It's always Bubba the tea bagger who goes to church that causes the whole nation's problems.

Shhh...don't tell anyone.

Seshmeister
06-23-2011, 06:41 AM
It worked pretty well and was the envy of the world for many years.

I'm not aware of that time, when was it?

I know speaking to a friend that in Virginia in the early 90s the main insurer cancelled all speech therapy even for stroke victims leaving his kids with untreated stutters for 5 years until a class action could be won against them.

Trust me I'm really not envious of that.

Seshmeister
06-23-2011, 06:43 AM
Piece of shit?

Secondly TARD, none of your type shed a single tear when a baby is aborted.



I'll happily put some money in the pot for any abortions you may need. I'm sure many of us here would although sterilization may be cheaper in the long run.

jacksmar
06-23-2011, 07:35 AM
Slowing down for everyone:

There is a reason for the mandate. The private insurance industry is not economically feasible if the private insurance companies can’t put a value on risk. In order to protect the private insurance industry, healthy people must buy in to keep these private companies solvent.

Also in the law is a new federal agency created by Gomercare called the Independent Payment Advisory Board (IPAB). This board will have unchecked power to adopt laws setting and prices and payments for all medical services.

Nitro Express
06-23-2011, 07:41 AM
It's all about money. If you look at healthcare the money is not in the actual providing of care but in the insurance. Believe me, there are no accidents when underwriters are concerned and it's even better when you have the government in your pocket to make the odds even better.

Nitro Express
06-23-2011, 07:46 AM
Back when all my relatives in Canada came down here for their operations. I had access to the best healthcare in the world and didn't even worry about the cost in the early 90's. Healthcare started going downhill right about the time US corporations started going downhill hard in the mid 1980's. It's when all the collusion with other corporations and the government began.

Nitro Express
06-23-2011, 07:48 AM
I'll happily put some money in the pot for any abortions you may need. I'm sure many of us here would although sterilization may be cheaper in the long run.

Too bad your mom didn't abort you then we wouldn't have to read your shit posts.:biggrin:

kwame k
06-23-2011, 09:33 AM
It's because Congress didn't read the fucking Bill........really?

Congress has no limit on the amount of aides they can have and average about 20-25 Congressional aides per..........so if they were unaware of what's in the bill, as Fox would have Forrest and friends believe, it's their own incompetence and if you voted for a bill that you had no idea what was in it then you're still incompetence.

jacksmar
06-23-2011, 10:32 AM
Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus didn't read it and he was one of the chief authors. Mitch McConnell and John Conyers didn't read it but more importantly boy Dumbo didn't read it.

The was the quintessential monkey at the end of the organ grinder example of rubber stamp legislation and NOBODY wanted it.

Seshmeister
06-23-2011, 11:02 AM
Too bad your mom didn't abort you then we wouldn't have to read your shit posts.:biggrin:

Move aside Voltaire, step back in the shadows H.L. Mencken, there's a new kid in town. One can only wonder how many hours Nitro sat in the glow of his computer screen before his trembling fingers sprang to life and pecked out this chef d'oeuvre.

FORD
06-23-2011, 01:48 PM
I'm not aware of that time, when was it?

I know speaking to a friend that in Virginia in the early 90s the main insurer cancelled all speech therapy even for stroke victims leaving his kids with untreated stutters for 5 years until a class action could be won against them.

Trust me I'm really not envious of that.

And now the 5 BCE fascists on the Supreme Court have ensured even that can't happen anymore, with their pro Wal-Mart/anti class action travesty of a decision this week.

FORD
06-23-2011, 02:00 PM
Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus didn't read it and he was one of the chief authors. Mitch McConnell and John Conyers didn't read it but more importantly boy Dumbo didn't read it.

The was the quintessential monkey at the end of the organ grinder example of rubber stamp legislation and NOBODY wanted it.

See, this is why you teabagging mutants should listen to Thom Hartmann instead of Limpdick and FAUX.

If you did, you would know that Max Baucus (who no true Democrat would claim as one of our own) not only wrote the bulk of this shit bill, not only killed the good parts of the Ted Kennedy bill that was eventually merged with his shit bill to provide the final product, but also hypocritically wrote something into the bill which actually did a good thing for SOME of his own constituents in Libby Montana......



Baucus’ problem was caused by a vermiculite mine that had spread deadly airborne asbestos killing hundreds and sickening thousands in Libby and northwest Montana. The W. R. Grace Company that owned the mine denied its connection to the massive levels of mesothelioma and asbestosis and dodged responsibility for this environmental and health disaster. When all law suits and legal avenues failed, Baucus turned to our country’s single payer plan, Medicare.

The single payer plan that Baucus kept off the table is now very much on the table in Libby. Unknown to most of the public, Baucus inserted a section into the health reform bill that covers the suffering people of Libby, Montana, not just the former miners but the whole community—all covered by Medicare.

They don’t have to be 65 years old or more.
They don’t have to wait until 2014 for the state exchanges.
No ten year roll out—it’s immediate.
They don’t have to purchase a plan—this is not a buy-in to Medicare—it’s free.
They don’t have to be disabled for two years before they apply.
They don’t have to go without care for three years until Medicaid expands.
They don’t have to meet income tests.
They don’t have to apply for a subsidy.
They don’t have to pay a fine for failure to buy insurance.
They don’t have to hope that the market will make a plan affordable.
They don’t have to hide their pre-existing conditions.
They don’t have to find a job that provides coverage.

Baucus inserted a clause in the Affordable Care Act to make special arrangements for them in Medicare, and he didn’t wait for any Congressional Budget Office scoring to do it.

Less than two months after the passage of the health reform bill on March 23, 2010, Nancy Berryhill of the Social Security Administration in Denver joined personally in setting up an office in Libby to sign up these newly eligible people. “This is a new thing,” Berryhill told the Missoulian. “No other group like this has ever been selected to receive Medicare.” Berryhill issued a nationwide alert to inform anyone who had lived or stayed in Lincoln County of their eligibility. She opened a storefront in Libby at the old downtown city hall where she signed up 60 people on the first day. She plastered the towns of Whitefish and Eureka with pamphlets explaining the program and added three new staffers to the office in Kalispell.

Link (http://my.firedoglake.com/kaytillow/2011/06/15/how-libby-montana-got-medicare-for-all/)

Baucus actually did the right thing for the people of Libby, while doing the WRONG thing for the rest of us. Medicare for all. It really is that simple, and Max damn well knew it......

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