The Rick Perry Thread

[Seshmeister]

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/07/us/politics/07prayer.html



HOUSTON — Standing on a stage surrounded by thousands of fellow Christians on Saturday morning, Gov. Rick Perry of Texas called on Jesus to bless and guide the nation’s military and political leaders and “those who cannot see the light in the midst of all the darkness.”


“Lord, you are the source of every good thing,” Mr. Perry said, as he bowed his head, closed his eyes and leaned into a microphone at Reliant Stadium here. “You are our only hope, and we stand before you today in awe of your power and in gratitude for your blessings, and humility for our sins. Father, our heart breaks for America. We see discord at home. We see fear in the marketplace. We see anger in the halls of government, and as a nation we have forgotten who made us, who protects us, who blesses us, and for that we cry out for your forgiveness.”

In a 13-minute address, Mr. Perry read several passages from the Bible during a prayer rally he sponsored. Thousands of people stood or kneeled in the aisles or on the concrete floor in front of the stage, some wiping away tears and some shouting, “Amen!”

The prayer rally was seen as one of the biggest tests of Mr. Perry’s political career, coming as he nears a decision on whether to seek the Republican nomination for president.

Mr. Perry, a lifelong Methodist who regularly attends an evangelical megachurch near his home in West Austin, has been speaking and preaching in sanctuaries throughout Texas since he was state agricultural commissioner in the 1990s. Organizers for the event, called The Response: A Call to Prayer for a Nation in Crisis, estimated that more than 30,000 people were at Reliant Stadium when Mr. Perry spoke. The seating capacity is 71,500, and tens of thousands of seats in the upper decks were empty.

“I wish you could see what I see here,” announced Luis Cataldo, a leader of the International House of Prayer, a Christian ministry in Kansas City, Mo., as the event began at 10 a.m. “This is the body of Christ.”

He said that there would be no long speeches, no banners, no signs. “You didn’t come here to listen to people preach,” he said. “You came to pray, and Jesus wants to hear your voice.”

While those on the stage avoided making overt political statements or expressions of political support for Mr. Perry, many in the audience made it clear in interviews that they would vote for the governor should he enter the presidential race.

Liz Lara, 62, who lives in La Vernia, Tex., a city of 1,200 outside San Antonio, drove about 200 miles to Houston with her daughter and two grandchildren to attend the rally. She said the family came to support Mr. Perry and pray for God’s help in solving the nation’s problems.

“I believe that God has prepared Rick Perry for such a time as this,” she said. “I believe he will be our next president.”

At one point, Mr. Perry asked those in the audience to pray for the president. “Father, we pray for our president, that you impart your wisdom upon him, that you would guard his family,” he said.

Mr. Perry addressed the crowd nine days after a federal judge dismissed a lawsuit filed against him by a national group of atheists arguing that his participation in the rally in his official capacity as governor violated the First Amendment’s requirement of separation of church and state.

Members and supporters of that group, the Wisconsin-based Freedom From Religion Foundation, protested outside. They waved picket signs that read “In reason we trust” and played marching-band-style music.

The atheists were among dozens of people protesting outside the stadium, including gay activists who criticized Mr. Perry for supporting the American Family Association, which organized and financed the rally. The association is a conservative evangelical group based in Mississippi that is listed as an antigay hate group by the nonprofit Southern Poverty Law Center.

A number of Texas political and religious leaders were noticeably absent.Mr. Perry’s two Austin pastors — one from Tarrytown United Methodist Church, where he has been a longtime member, and the other from Lake Hills Church, an evangelical church that he has been visiting more regularly — were not at the rally. Neither was the leader of Houston’s biggest congregation, Pastor Joel Osteen of Lakewood Church, who was holding his own worship service in Chicago on Saturday.

Mr. Perry had invited his fellow governors to join him, but only Gov. Sam Brownback of Kansas, a Republican, attended. Gov. Rick Scott of Florida made a video statement that was played in the stadium.

[Seshmeister]

At one point, Mr. Perry asked those in the audience to pray for the president. “Father, we pray for our president, that you impart your wisdom upon him, that you would guard his family,” he said.


What's that all about? Is he trying to plant a seed there?

I do worry about the US.

[Nitro Express]

Gott Mit Uns (God is with us). The Wehrmacht had that on their belt buckles since World War I.

[Nitro Express]

God will not be mocked by sleazy Texas politicians.

[FORD]

He was the BCE's hand picked replacement for Chimpy as Texas governor. That was all I needed to know about him to know which team he played for.

And it ain't JC's!

[FORD]

Actual picture from Perryprayapalooza.....

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2011/08/07/us/07prayer-span/07prayer-span-blog480.jpg

Remind you of anything....... :meinsmiley:

[FORD]

Of course, in all fairness, at least Hitler could fill the fucking arena.

http://www.travelsignposts.com/Germany/files/2010/12/Nurnberg-Rallies.jpg

[standin]

As Christians the Bible shows clear ways as to fit into the order of things.

The Bible teaches that the church and state are separate institutions, ordain of God, each having a specific responsibility:

1. Rulers are appointed by God. (Daniel 2:21; 4:17, 25, 32; 5:21)

2. Rulers are the ministers or servants (not sons) of God. (Romans 13:1, 2, 4)

3. They are to suppress the evil and protect the good (Romans 13:3), by executing wrath upon the evildoer (Genesis 9:5, 6; Romans 13:4).

4. The church is the representative body of Jesus Christ upon Earth (Matthew 16:18, 19), to serve as His ambassadors (the highest position one may obtain as a representative of his King), calling men to be reconciled to Him (Luke 2:14; 2 Corinthians 5:20).

5. As strangers and pilgrims Christians are to: honor rulers (Romans 13:7; 1 Peter 2:17); pray for them ( 1 Timothy 2: 1-3 ); pay taxes and other dues they levy (Romans13:6, 7); be subject to the for conscience sake (Romans 13:1, 5; Titus 3:1); remembering that Christians first allegiance is to God (Acts 4:19; 5:29).

6. Ambassadors, strangers, and pligrims have no right to engage in the political activities of the country in which they live.

[ashstralia]

Remind you of anything....... :meinsmiley:

the sexy milf is remembering her groupie days.

[Seshmeister]

As Christians the Bible shows clear ways as to fit into the order of things.

The Bible teaches that the church and state are separate institutions, ordain of God, each having a specific responsibility:

1. Rulers are appointed by God. (Daniel 2:21; 4:17, 25, 32; 5:21)



I'm very disappointed in some of his appointments.

[binnie]

What's that all about? Is he trying to plant a seed there?

I do worry about the US.

I think you're over-reading that. Wishing health and safety on families is a fairly standard part of prayer.

The idea of harnessing prayer and politics may be faintly ridiculous, but I don't find it sinister.....

[Seshmeister]

Faintly???

[binnie]

Nah.

He's too stoopid to be sinister.

[Seshmeister]

It's possible he could be the next president and he doesn't 'believe' in evolution or climate change and his answer to the economic problems is more praying...

[Seshmeister]

http://www.twc.state.tx.us/graphics/efte_perrysignature.gif

That signature does not fill you will any optimism about his mental powers.

What's with the capital letters in the middle of Perry? How can the governor of Texas not know the difference between r and R or is this a cultural thing?

[Nitro Express]

Fuck it. Let's make Steve Perry president. He can sing "Don't Stop Believing" to us and tell us there is still hope left in the world.

[Seshmeister]

Yeah like Tony Soprano...

[binnie]

It's possible he could be the next president and he doesn't 'believe' in evolution or climate change and his answer to the economic problems is more praying...

Any worse than George W?

[Seshmeister]

Yes I think he is a little bit.

[binnie]

Well, apparently there are homophobes in the Scottish Parliament now, so maybe we shouldn't get too high on our horses....

[jhale667]

Any worse than George W?

Supposedly he makes W look like a rocket scientist. So, yes - imagine a MORE dim-witted W in office. If that happens, we're doomed.

[Va Beach VH Fan]

In all fairness to W and Perry and Bachmann and Palin and any of the other dingbats, if they want to run for President, sure, knock yourself out... It's a free country, it's a democracy, go right ahead....

It's the stupid fucks that would VOTE for these idiots that I have the problem with.....

[Seshmeister]

Well, apparently there are homophobes in the Scottish Parliament now, so maybe we shouldn't get too high on our horses....


Green party leader Patrick Harvie has condemned the Scottish Parliament for letting the leader of a 'homophobic' academic institution to address MSPs.

Cecil Samuelson, president of US-based Brigham Young University - which is owned and run by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints - was asked to deliver the Time For Reflection speech before Holyrood on Wednesday.

Mr Harvie said: "Mr Samuelson should never have been invited to address the Scottish Parliament, given he leads an institutionally homophobic academic institution.


"Contrary to the position he holds, there is nothing dishonourable about loving another man or another woman, and the idea that a university might expel students for feeling otherwise is utterly outdated and absurd.

"Parliament is an institution for the whole of Scotland, and this platform must never again be given to someone with this kind of attitude to Scotland's gays and lesbians."

The university's honor code, published on its website, states: "One's stated same-gender attraction is not an honor code issue. However, the honor code requires all members of the university community to manifest a strict commitment to the law of chastity.

"Homosexual behaviour is inappropriate and violates the honor code. Homosexual behaviour includes not only sexual relations between members of the same sex but all forms of physical intimacy that give expression to homosexual feelings."

A Scottish Parliament spokeswoman said: "A wide range of faith and non-faith speakers have taken part in Time For Reflection, and every speaker is issued with guidance which makes clear all contributions in the chamber must be consistent with the principle of equal opportunities for all and should not include remarks or comments which are discriminatory."

I never knew they even had a 'Time for reflection' speech.

What a crock of shit!

All the main religions are homophobic just to different degrees. Probably added as a compromise when someone asked what they should do in place of the Christian prayers at the start of the UK parliament.

[jhale667]

In all fairness to W and Perry and Bachmann and Palin and any of the other dingbats, if they want to run for President, sure, knock yourself out... It's a free country, it's a democracy, go right ahead....

It's the stupid fucks that would VOTE for these idiots that I have the problem with.....

True dat...it's one thing, the candidates being so stupid they don't understand the reason and NEED for separation of church and state (pretty much immediately disqualifies them as candidates IMO), but further anyone stupid enough to vote for someone that wants to blur that line shouldn't be allowed to vote. It's the basic foundation of this country, and if you don't even get that... :umm:

[Nitro Express]

I don't think a lot of these so called religious people are very religious at all. They are more of what I would call opportunists. Do you honestly think Sarah Palin is religious? These politicians and politician wannabes think playing the role of being religious will help them get elected. The problem is if you go too overboard on it you may alienate the swing vote that decides presidential elections.

[Little Texan]

It's possible he could be the next president and he doesn't 'believe' in evolution or climate change and his answer to the economic problems is more praying...

I wouldn't want him praying for our economy. Back in April of this year, he called for Texans to pray for rain. Well, only 15-20% of the state was in exceptional drought then, and now it is more like 75-80% exceptional after all of the praying! So, by that logic, I figure we wouldn't have an economy left by the time he got through praying for it to get better. Look, that big prayer meeting down in Houston last weekend was nothing more than a political stunt by Perry to capture the support of the religious right wingnut Repukes for a future Presidential run, nothing more. We've had this jackass in office for the last 10 years and we can't get rid of him. There are too many stupid rednecks that keep voting for this fucker every election. All we need is another religious fucknut like Dumbya in office waging more wars because "gawd told him to".

[Little Texan]

I believe I've never voted for the fucker in any election, even back in my hardcore neocon Repuke days of the early 2000's.

[Seshmeister]

I wouldn't want him praying for our economy. Back in April of this year, he called for Texans to pray for rain. Well, only 15-20% of the state was in exceptional drought then, and now it is more like 75-80% exceptional after all of the praying! So, by that logic, I figure we wouldn't have an economy left by the time he got through praying for it to get better. Look, that big prayer meeting down in Houston last weekend was nothing more than a political stunt by Perry to capture the support of the religious right wingnut Repukes for a future Presidential run, nothing more. We've had this jackass in office for the last 10 years and we can't get rid of him. There are too many stupid rednecks that keep voting for this fucker every election. All we need is another religious fucknut like Dumbya in office waging more wars because "gawd told him to".

Lets face it if prayer worked the way Perry says it does then the world would be run by Muslim clerics by now. A billion x 5 a day is a lot of praying.

[LoungeMachine]

In all fairness to W and Perry and Bachmann and Palin and any of the other dingbats, if they want to run for President, sure, knock yourself out... It's a free country, it's a democracy, go right ahead....

It's the stupid fucks that would VOTE for these idiots that I have the problem with.....

Or the Supreme Court Justices who hand them an election they didnt win...........

:gulp:

[FORD]

http://www.twc.state.tx.us/graphics/efte_perrysignature.gif

That signature does not fill you will any optimism about his mental powers.

What's with the capital letters in the middle of Perry? How can the governor of Texas not know the difference between r and R or is this a cultural thing?

Maybe it's a subliminal thing to convince Repukes that he has the endorsement of their REAL Messiah, Ronald Reagan.

[binnie]

Supposedly he makes W look like a rocket scientist. So, yes - imagine a MORE dim-witted W in office. If that happens, we're doomed.

That's frightening idea. The sort of person who makes you feel like you're losing brain cells as you're talking to them....

[jhale667]

That's frightening idea. The sort of person who makes you feel like you're losing brain cells as you're talking to them....

What kills me is these assbags have no clue or understanding of US history and what this country was founded on - and they actually state openly their goal is to turn the US into a "Christian nation based on biblical law" when that's one of the things the founding fathers (whom they have no problem invoking like they're the 12 apostles or some shit) were trying to AVOID...it's maddening.

[standin]

Lets face it if prayer worked the way Perry says it does then the world would be run by Muslim clerics by now. A billion x 5 a day is a lot of praying.
That's a lot of catching up to do!



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[Little Texan]

I wouldn't want him praying for our economy. Back in April of this year, he called for Texans to pray for rain. Well, only 15-20% of the state was in exceptional drought then, and now it is more like 75-80% exceptional after all of the praying! So, by that logic, I figure we wouldn't have an economy left by the time he got through praying for it to get better. Look, that big prayer meeting down in Houston last weekend was nothing more than a political stunt by Perry to capture the support of the religious right wingnut Repukes for a future Presidential run, nothing more. We've had this jackass in office for the last 10 years and we can't get rid of him. There are too many stupid rednecks that keep voting for this fucker every election. All we need is another religious fucknut like Dumbya in office waging more wars because "gawd told him to".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Days_of_Prayer_for_Rain_in_the_State_of_Texas

I REALLY don't want this man praying for our country!

[Little Texan]

Link (http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/ad-lib/2011/aug/15/governor-perrys-biggest-problem-rick-perry/)

Governor Perry's biggest problem is Rick Perry

EASTON, Md., August 18, 2011 — From Republicans to the media, everyone seems to be in a swoon now that Governor Rick Perry has declared his candidacy for President.

They just can’t get enough of the Texas governor.

Republicans think he just might be the Third Way: not Bachmann, not Romney, an alternative with all their strengths and none of their faults. They see him as a candidate who can unite Bachmann's and Romney's bases, appealing to all and offending none.

The media are excited for new, chili-hot copy, and Perry looks good, and not just on paper. He cuts a fine figure in the flesh.

Perry has better hair than Mitt Romney, he sports custom-made cowboy boots emblazoned with the 1842 Texas motto Come and Take It (a slogan that summarizes the spirit of Texan defiance), he can drop to his knees to pray for the country in a nanosecond, he is the longest serving governor of the second largest (both in area and population) U.S state, and he is the father of the Texas Miracle, the more than 1 million jobs created in Texas since 2000, according to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics.

Or as like the Governor himself likes to brag: “Since June of 2009,Texas is home to 40 percent of all the jobs added in the United States.”

So what’s not to love about Perry? He sounds like Perry the Perfect.

His sumptuous mansion, the one he chose to live in while the Governor’s house is repaired and renovated, also sounds perfect. Do you want to see taxpayers seethe? Then ask Texans about the rental bill they’ve been footing for the past four years. Rick Perry and his family currently reside in a $1 million plus residence with all expenses paid, including new window treatments by Neiman Marcus, all financed by Texans to the tune of $700,000. So far.

Want to take a tour of the house? Be my guest. Just don’t use the guest towels, if you please.

Now if you are ready to take a closer look at Perry’s Texas record, you will see something very different from Perfect Perry, something scary.

Here are five reasons why Governor Perry is a problem for the GOP and bad for America. There are many more, but let’s start with these five.

1. Perry’s job creation record is less than it seems:

* Most of the jobs created in Texas have been in the natural gas and oil industries; as energy prices rise, those jobs increase, soaring by 16.8% over the last year;

* fewer state regulations attract businesses to Texas that don’t like following the usual rules of health and safety;

* nearly 10% of Texas’ hourly laborers earn less than the $7.25 an hour minimum wage, sharing that bottom of the barrel distinction with Mississippi;

* Perry just slashed the state budget, which will kill 100,000 jobs. Most of those fired will be public sector workers, such as teachers;

*Perry’s braggadocio aside, Texas’ unemployment rate is 8.2%, lower than in many states, but higher than in 25 others, including liberal Massachusetts and New York (CNN Money).

2. The Texas economy is rocky.

Governor Perry signed a budget this year that is balanced only through the use of accounting gimmicks, such as delaying payment on bills coming due in 2013. Perhaps he believes he will be in the White House by then.

Over the last decade Perry doubled the state's debt, from $12.7 billion in 2001 to $34.08 billion in 2009. He did this by refusing to raise any state taxes, at the same time pruning property and business taxes and handing out tax breaks and exemptions.

He claims that he preserved the Rainy Day Fund, but angry fellow Republicans say that’s untrue and have demanded that he drop the claim. (AP report)

3. Texas is the country’s biggest polluter.

Just look at what lax or nearly nonexistent regulations can do to a state. They've made Houston the smog capital of the nation, according to the Houston mayor’s report. The Texas Legislative Study Group on the State of Our State wrote in its damning report that Texas has the rare distinction of being:

1st in amount of carbon dioxide released into the air;

1st in amount of volatile organic compounds released into air;

1st in amount of toxic chemicals released into water;

1stin amount of recognized cancer-causing carcinogens released into air;

1st in amount of hazardous waste generated;

1st in amount of toxic chemicals released into the air.

Perry’s solution to the problem is to tell the EPA, “Don’t mess with Texas.”

In February, 2010, Governor Perry sued the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) in federal court for its recent finding that CO2 is a pollutant. EPA’s national campaign to tighten pollution regulations led to this pushback from Texas, not surprising since the state is home to huge petrochemical corporations, major producers of industrial pollutants and carbon dioxide.

4. Just as you would expect, then, Texas has an abysmal health record, ranking at 40th out of the 50 states.

Texas is last in:

* percent of non-elderly women with health insurance;

* percent of pregnant women getting prenatal care in the first trimester;

* workers’ compensation coverage;

* per capita spending on mental health.

Nearly 26% of Texas' children live in poverty.

Texas is on the brink, thanks to Republican misrule, including the misrule of that other infamous Texan, George W. Bush. The policies of its current governor continue to push it towards the edge.

Or as the Texas Legislative study put it:

“You get what you pay for. In Texas, we do not get much because we do not pay for much. Compared to other states, Texas ranks near the bottom in spending for education, health care, environmental protection, workforce development, public safety, and other services and protections. Our failure to invest in ourselves puts our children at risk and our future in jeopardy.” (Texas on the Brink)

5. Perry looks to God to step in and solve Texas’ problems when he won't.

Stop: Wildfire ahead.

In April of this year, Governor Perry declared three days of prayer in Texas to get God to intervene and stop the drought and the ensuing wild fires that were engulfing the state. What did Perry do to help God out?

Since fire season started on Nov. 15, 2010, the Texas Forest Service and area fire departments have responded to 18,300 fires that have burned 3,435,963 acres, according to the Forest Service. July was the hottest month ever recorded in Texas, according to state climatologist John Nielson-Gammon, and the 12 months ending July 31 were the driest since records started being kept in 1895. The drought has ravaged more than 78 percent of Texas and is rated historically exceptional.

Texas depends mostly on volunteers to fight wildfires in rural areas. The appropriate response to the situation might be to raise the Forest Service's budget to fight fires. When the Ft. Worth Star-Telegram asked the Governor's office about a proposed 30 percent budget cut, spokeswoman Lucy Nashed responded:

"We’re still working through the budget process, but the governor is committed to continuing to work with lawmakers in the House and Senate to craft a budget that prioritizes essential services, including public safety, without raising taxes."

So, Governor, rather than raise taxes to fight fires, I guess you'd prefer to pray that God stop them for you, “Pretty please.”

In May the Governor revealed that he prayed for President Obama every day: “I pray that God will open his [Obama] eyes. I wish this president would turn back the health care law that’s been passed, ask that his EPA back down these regulations that are causing businesses to hesitate to spend money.”

Are you listening, God? It’s me, Rick Perry. We're 40th in health care, so won't you please do something about Obama?

And don’t forget the big pray-in Perry sponsored with his right-wing minister pals on August 6th, calling together nearly 30,000 people to fast and pray all day to bring an end to our economic woes and set this country on the right track.

Of course it was too late for God to step in and stop Standard and Poors from downgrading our nation’s credit rating, since S&P did that the Friday before God heard about it from Perry.

And two days after the day of prayer on August 8th, the stock market plunged 635 points. Guess God wasn’t paying much attention or we are not worth saving. Or perhaps He only helps those who help themselves. State deficits are a big part of the problem, so He might leave his prayer line off the hook when Perry calls.

This is the man the GOP thinks will be its savior/warrior ready to smite President Obama in 2012. However, the chinks in Perry’s armor are enormous and his backside is exposed, with more to be revealed about Perfect Perry. Stay tuned.

[Little Texan]

Believe it or not, this guy is not even popular in his own state, and the only reason he keeps getting reelected governor that I can think of is the weak opponents that have run against him the last few elections. I've voted against him in every election the last ten years.

[Seshmeister]

His strengths are(in order) good hair, religious fanaticism and keeping Texan unemployment average during a massive oil boom?

[Dr. Love]

Just yesterday I thought I was reading that he had minimal executive experience and was just a figurehead. Today I'm reading that he single-handedly raised the debt, cut the taxes and screwed over Texas.

I must have misunderstood what a figure-head was.

I don't like him either -- he screws over a lot of people and is extremely dishonest.

[Jagermeister]

Just yesterday I thought I was reading that he had minimal executive experience and was just a figurehead. Today I'm reading that he single-handedly raised the debt, cut the taxes and screwed over Texas.

I must have misunderstood what a figure-head was.I don't like him either -- he screws over a lot of people and is extremely dishonest.

Yeah no shit. So the best the Post could come up with is that huh? If that is the only dirt slung on this guy I would be very surprised. Someone is going to have to do better than that before I throw him to the side. Here's the deal. I see 3 players right now, Romney, Bachman or Perry. Bachman is out in my book she has no chance. So that leaves me with 2. Of those 2 right now I like Perry but it's still early.

[Jagermeister]

lol. Some of that is funny. Wouldn't you expect the largest state to be the biggest polluter? SO I did a quick search and ill do more but this suggests that's not true.

http://www.brighthub.com/environment/science-environmental/articles/24587.aspx


Largest Producers of Air Pollution in the US
However, recent scientific research discloses that even low levels of air pollution can have a negative effect on human health due to the presence of mixed fine particulate matters. The EPA and America's US city mayors have furnished lists of the largest producers of air pollution in the US. They are are categorized in accordance with the type of air pollutant that contributes to the poor quality of air in the U.S.

The ranking of these cities is no longer based on studies that link pollutants to the increased hospital admissions and emergency room visits in an area. Air particle pollution is the main cause of the respiratory disorders including death from long or short-term exposure to particulate matter (PM).

Find the lists below categorized according to types of air pollutant:

Top Ten Cities with the Highest Level of Particle Pollution Exposure – Short Term Category

1.Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania -This city has consistently topped the list.
2.Fresno, California - previously ranked as 3rd and still getting worse.
3.Bakersfield, California- previously occupied the fourth position but was elevated to 3rd as LA dropped from it previous ranking
4.Los Angeles, California - used to rank second in this category.
5.Birmingham, Alabama -still the same rank as before
6.Salt Lake City, Utah - this city was no included in the previous list of most polluted US city.
7.Sacramento, California - ranking elevated one notch higher from its previous 8th-- despite the addition of Salt Lake to this list.
8.Logan, Utah - this city's ranking dropped from its previous 6th position.
9.Chicago, Illinois - another addition to this list, replacing Detroit's previous ranking.
10.Detroit, Michigan- dropping to the tenth from a previous 9th place.
Washington was a previous 10th placer, but today, Seattle, Washington tops the list of America's Most Green Cities, having little or no risk in the city’s air pollution aside from other environmentally positive green factors.



Read more: http://www.brighthub.com/environment/science-environmental/articles/24587.aspx#ixzz1VIEbnzS7

[Seshmeister]

But that's cities NOT states.

Also how is Texas the biggest state when California has a much bigger population and Alaska is far far bigger in area?

[Seshmeister]

Yeah no shit. So the best the Post could come up with is that huh? If that is the only dirt slung on this guy I would be very surprised. Someone is going to have to do better than that before I throw him to the side. Here's the deal. I see 3 players right now, Romney, Bachman or Perry. Bachman is out in my book she has no chance. So that leaves me with 2. Of those 2 right now I like Perry but it's still early.

The completely shocking thing about this is that in a country of 300 million those are the choices.

I can't think of a democratic system that functions more poorly these days.

[Jagermeister]

But that's cities NOT states.

Also how is Texas the biggest state when California has a much bigger population and Alaska is far far bigger in area?

True. I have not found any data on just states. The EPA web site is a joke.

[Seshmeister]

In millions of metric tons:

Texas: 688
California: 394
Pennsylvania: 275
Ohio: 262
Florida: 256

The Measure of America: American Human Development Report 2008-2009, a Colombia/SSRC book


I'm not sure it's a useful argument anyway. If California imports its power from Texas then it's meaningless. What you need to do is look at the policies.

Perry has a moronic ignorance of climate science at odds with almost every scientist in the field including those at the good Texas universities.

[Jagermeister]

In millions of metric tons:

Texas: 688
California: 394
Pennsylvania: 275
Ohio: 262
Florida: 256

The Measure of America: American Human Development Report 2008-2009, a Colombia/SSRC book


I'm not sure it's a useful argument anyway. If California imports its power from Texas then it's meaningless. What you need to do is look at the policies.

Perry has a moronic ignorance of climate science at odds with almost every scientist in the field including those at the good Texas universities.

Fuck you can't fart in California without running the gas through a smog device. It's been that way for decades. Anyway I am not one of those that thinks the climate is huge issue. I think most places in the US are about as clean as you can expect. Climate will not be an issue I take into account in the primary.

[Jagermeister]

Texas Governor Rick Perry enters the 2012 presidential race greeted by polls suggesting he is a serious contender for the Republican nomination.

Here are five fast facts on Rick Perry:

1. Perry was a yell leader at Texas A&M University. It's a much sought-after position and an early indication of Perry's political aspirations.

2. He used to be a Democrat. Perry was elected to a West Texas state House seat in 1984 as a Democrat and even served as Al Gore's Texas chairman during the 1988 presidential race. He switched to the GOP in 1989.3. Perry's first statewide office in Texas was as Agriculture Commissioner. Expect him to remind Iowa voters of that fact early and often given the state's farming-based economy.

4. Perry is the longest serving governor in the country currently. He took office in December 2000 after George W. Bush was elected president and won a third full term in 2010. That means a long record to run on -- or from.

5. Perry is a big believer in states' right and the 10th amendment. He once floated the idea that Texas could secede if the federal government kept overstepping its bounds.

Rick Perry is a naturally charismatic politician whose political base in Texas could make him formidable. His challenge is selling himself to an electorate still weary from the last Texas governor who ran for president.

:biggrin:

[Seshmeister]

6. He's a creationist (moron)
7. He doesn't believe in climate change despite all evidence to the contrary including his own state melting. (moron)
8. He's of retirement age already

[jhale667]

6. He's a creationist (moron)
7. He doesn't believe in climate change despite all evidence to the contrary including his own state melting. (moron)
8. He's of retirement age already

He's worse than just a creationist...Dominionists are beyond F'ed in the head. Sorry, I think wanting to destroy the US is treasonous, while (P)Rick is throwing that term around...

[Jagermeister]

The more folks here ridicule, put down, and disagree with him the better the more I think he’s the man.

That could change though. Like I said it's early yet.

[Carloscda]

The last time we had a gong-ho Texan the country was sent spiraling into a depression!! Surplus to deficits, Unfunded wars, millions of jobs lost etc!!

And you knew it was coming, saying the President doesn't love this country blah blah blah, birth certificate, grades etc is next!!

And speaking of, it's ok to question the Presidents grades but when Perrys grades were brought up, why are people discussing his grades from yrs ago?! Ummm What...

[Jagermeister]

The last time we had a gong-ho Texan the country was sent spiraling into a depression!! Surplus to deficits, Unfunded wars, millions of jobs lost etc!!

And you knew it was coming, saying the President doesn't love this country blah blah blah, birth certificate, grades etc is next!!

And speaking of, it's ok to question the Presidents grades but when Perrys grades were brought up, why are people discussing his grades from yrs ago?! Ummm What...

We also had a little problem on 9/11 which set the tone of his Presidency. I voted against him in his second term. Twice now I voted for a Democrat. I will never do that again for this office.

[jhale667]

The more folks here ridicule, put down, and disagree with him the better the more I think he’s the man.

That could change though. Like I said it's early yet.

So what you're basically saying is "The more credible evidence brought forth showing he's a dim-witted, completely delusional zealot fucktard, the more I realize HE SPEAKS TO ME...." :meinsmiley: Idiot.

Way to be a 9/11 Bush apologist too...did your parents have any kids that LIVED??

[Carloscda]

The more folks here ridicule, put down, and disagree with him the better the more I think he’s the man.

That could change though. Like I said it's early yet.

Really, So President Obama must be the man also than because he's been hated on since day one?!!

[Jagermeister]

So what you're basically saying is "The more credible evidence brought forth showing he's a dim-witted, completely delusional zealot fucktard, the more I realize HE SPEAKS TO ME...." :meinsmiley: Idiot.

Way to be a 9/11 Bush apologist too...did your parents have any kids that LIVED??

No that's not what I said. Close one eye and read that again.

I am not surprised you took it that way though.

[Jagermeister]

Really, So President Obama must be the man also than because he's been hated on since day one?!!

Not here.

[Jagermeister]

The more folks here ridicule, put down, and disagree with him the better the more I think he’s the man.

That could change though. Like I said it's early yet.

...........

[jhale667]

"Could" change...would that be before of after stuff starts flying out of your ass? :biggrin:

[Jagermeister]

Yeah no shit. So the best the Post could come up with is that huh? If that is the only dirt slung on this guy I would be very surprised. Someone is going to have to do better than that before I throw him to the side.


Here's the deal. I see 3 players right now, Romney, Bachman or Perry. Bachman is out in my book she has no chance. So that leaves me with 2. Of those 2 right now I like Perry but it's still early.


"Could" change...would that be before of after stuff starts flying out of your ass? :biggrin:

Why do have to keep repeating myself today?

I thought you would be glad I had thrown Bachman out....

On a side note I was watching PMSNBC last night and the Mexicans are pissed at Obama now and apprently so are many of his black supporters. :biggrin:

[jhale667]

On a side note I was watching PMSNBC last night and the Mexicans are pissed at Obama now and apprently so are many of his black supporters. :biggrin:

Got so excited you had to go rub one out, didn't ya.... :lameo:

[Jagermeister]

Got so excited you had to go rub one out, didn't ya.... :lameo:

It was funny. I am not familiar with all those shows or I would try to find it.

[DLR Bridge]

I wonder if Perry gets in and has a real "W" of a presidency, if Oliver Stone will get Brolin to play his sorry ass. He looks more like him then he looked like Dubbya. I'm voting for DLR. F all these clowns. Do you think any of them could write a song like Elephant Gun? No fucking way.

[FORD]

Maybe Perry should have played Chimp in the movie. Since that's what he seems to be doing anyway. We don't need Chimpy 2.0

Or anyone else even remotely associated with the BCE, for that matter.

[Seshmeister]

To be honest I've never been there but Texas always struck me as odd.

Who defines themselves as their finest hour as being fucking slaughtered for stealing some land?

Remember the Ass Kicking?

Must be some Scottish Americans involved to celebrate misery like that.

Very odd.

[Dr. Love]

GOP candidates as Simpsons characters

http://i.imgur.com/ueERL.png

[Unchainme]

2. Congress should have the power to override Supreme Court decisions with a two-thirds vote.

Ending lifetime tenure for federal justices isn't the only way Perry has proposed suppressing the power of the courts. His book excoriates at length what he sees as overreach from the judicial branch. (The title of Chapter Six is "Nine Unelected Judges Tell Us How to Live.")

Giving Congress the ability to veto their decisions would be another way to take the Court down a notch, Perry says.

"[A]llow Congress to override the Supreme Court with a two-thirds vote in both the House and Senate, which risks increased politicization of judicial decisions, but also has the benefit of letting the people stop the Court from unilaterally deciding policy," he writes.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/seven-ways-rick-perry-wants-change-constitution-131634517.html

[Unchainme]

So, a hypothetical scenario...

lets say congress is over taken by a bunch of facist religious zealots, and during the time period of this a bunch of issues are brought up such as Gay Marriage, Religion, Discrimination in the Work Place, You name it.

And instead of having judges who's job it is to ensure that the constitution is never violated even if it is to protect complete assfucks like Westboro Baptist Church. He'd rather have a law that could go very much against the Founders original intent and maybe lead us on a road that would make Nazi Germany seem like Canada.

....holy fucking shit.....

That is frightening.

[FORD]

I hate to agree with that Dominionazi Chimpy wannabe about anything, but being able to overturn a Supreme Court decision wouldn't be such a bad thing.

If we could have overturned the Felonious Florida Five decision of 12/12/2000, we might have prevented 9/11. We definitely would have prevented the Iraq war from ever happening.

And Shittyzens United would have been dead within a week of the day Opie Roberts passed it. Except Opie would have never been on the Supreme Court once the Florida Fraud was overturned, so Shittyzens United wouldn't have even made it that far.

Fact is that judges violate the Constitution now. Those two decisions prove it. I'll never vote for Prick Perry, but this idea might be willing to look at.

[Dr. Love]

I dunno, I'm mixed on the idea. I'd say a better approach would be 3/4 congress + presidential signature. There are a lot of problems with the idea, though.

[FORD]

Well, the whole idea of three branches of government and separation of powers was that one branch could never be more powerful than the other two. This works well when a President can veto Congress, or if a 2/3 majority of Congress can override a veto.

But who can reverse a horrible Supreme Court decision? Right now, nobody :(

[FORD]

I have not found any data in my empty skull. My drug spam web site is a joke.

Thanks for the honesty, :hagar2:bot

[dazzlindino]

Heard this guy, who called into an Austin texas radio show,KLBJ fm on Fri morn.
He said he was 100% sure that bible thumper Perry has
had plenty of women and men too!
He has placed a full page ad in the Austin Chronicle asking for people to tell their Rick Perry stories.
http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2011/08/18/rick_perry_women_ad/morrowadbig.jpg

[Dr. Love]

I get your point, but by that same token, people can't overturn other decisions they didn't like (roe v wade, etc) just because they were unpopular. I'm a little nervous about a world where you can just elect new representation and get whatever decision you don't like overturned.

I'd be more afraid of putting that through, if I were you, given how your party likes to give in to the republicans so much.

[Dr. Love]

a gmail address and everything!

[Anonymous]

It seems to be a popular thing in politics these days, to change constitutions. It's been happening here,as well.

I'm actually scared.

There's the result of years of understanding & tolerance.

Spoiled cunts who'll stop at nothing to have their way.

We're fucked.

Cheers! :bottle:

[Unchainme]

should there be elements of the constitution that should be changed?

sure, not arguing that.

But less and less of the power needs to be held by those in the government and more needs to be held in the arms of the American People.

I don't like the idea of a bunch of people who can easily be bought off, holding power over whether or not we the american people should have rights.

[ThrillsNSpills]

Actual picture from Perryprayapalooza.....

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2011/08/07/us/07prayer-span/07prayer-span-blog480.jpg

Remind you of anything....... :meinsmiley:

I looked at the empty seats and thought the VanSam tour of '04.

[ThrillsNSpills]

Why do have to keep repeating myself today?

:

Because we scroll past your posts.

[Guitar Shark]

But who can reverse a horrible Supreme Court decision? Right now, nobody :(

Congress is always free to pass new legislation. It happens all the time when a legislative body is unhappy with a particular judicial decision.

Keep in mind that the judiciary has no independent enforcement mechanism.

[jhale667]

Because we scroll past your posts.

:lmao:

[Justin Vagina]

Fuck Prick Perry!

He took money to force young girls to take gardasil. He sounds like Bush. He pretends to be a Christian and he pretends to be Ron Paul. Fuck that Prick!

[ThrillsNSpills]

You can't expect the kind of person that diddles Mouseketeers at Bohemian Grove to suddenly wake up, grow a conscience and sense of compassion, and do the right thing for anybody. Allegedly...(I see the lawyer in the room, thanks) Allegedly.

It's like getting mad at animals for hunting, when that's biologically what they do.

None of them have solutions for anyone but themselves

[bueno bob]

Rick Perry? LOL. Great, if you loved the Bush regime. Get ready for more, with a side dish of dominionist to boot!

[Little Texan]

Link (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/15/opinion/the-texas-unmiracle.html)

The Texas Unmiracle
By PAUL KRUGMAN

As expected, Rick Perry, the governor of Texas, has announced that he is running for president. And we already know what his campaign will be about: faith in miracles.

Some of these miracles will involve things that you’re liable to read in the Bible. But if he wins the Republican nomination, his campaign will probably center on a more secular theme: the alleged economic miracle in Texas, which, it’s often asserted, sailed through the Great Recession almost unscathed thanks to conservative economic policies. And Mr. Perry will claim that he can restore prosperity to America by applying the same policies at a national level.

So what you need to know is that the Texas miracle is a myth, and more broadly that Texan experience offers no useful lessons on how to restore national full employment.

It’s true that Texas entered recession a bit later than the rest of America, mainly because the state’s still energy-heavy economy was buoyed by high oil prices through the first half of 2008. Also, Texas was spared the worst of the housing crisis, partly because it turns out to have surprisingly strict regulation of mortgage lending.

Despite all that, however, from mid-2008 onward unemployment soared in Texas, just as it did almost everywhere else.

In June 2011, the Texas unemployment rate was 8.2 percent. That was less than unemployment in collapsed-bubble states like California and Florida, but it was slightly higher than the unemployment rate in New York, and significantly higher than the rate in Massachusetts. By the way, one in four Texans lacks health insurance, the highest proportion in the nation, thanks largely to the state’s small-government approach. Meanwhile, Massachusetts has near-universal coverage thanks to health reform very similar to the “job-killing” Affordable Care Act.

So where does the notion of a Texas miracle come from? Mainly from widespread misunderstanding of the economic effects of population growth.

For this much is true about Texas: It has, for many decades, had much faster population growth than the rest of America — about twice as fast since 1990. Several factors underlie this rapid population growth: a high birth rate, immigration from Mexico, and inward migration of Americans from other states, who are attracted to Texas by its warm weather and low cost of living, low housing costs in particular.

And just to be clear, there’s nothing wrong with a low cost of living. In particular, there’s a good case to be made that zoning policies in many states unnecessarily restrict the supply of housing, and that this is one area where Texas does in fact do something right.

But what does population growth have to do with job growth? Well, the high rate of population growth translates into above-average job growth through a couple of channels. Many of the people moving to Texas — retirees in search of warm winters, middle-class Mexicans in search of a safer life — bring purchasing power that leads to greater local employment. At the same time, the rapid growth in the Texas work force keeps wages low — almost 10 percent of Texan workers earn the minimum wage or less, well above the national average — and these low wages give corporations an incentive to move production to the Lone Star State.

So Texas tends, in good years and bad, to have higher job growth than the rest of America. But it needs lots of new jobs just to keep up with its rising population — and as those unemployment comparisons show, recent employment growth has fallen well short of what’s needed.

If this picture doesn’t look very much like the glowing portrait Texas boosters like to paint, there’s a reason: the glowing portrait is false.

Still, does Texas job growth point the way to faster job growth in the nation as a whole? No.

What Texas shows is that a state offering cheap labor and, less important, weak regulation can attract jobs from other states. I believe that the appropriate response to this insight is “Well, duh.” The point is that arguing from this experience that depressing wages and dismantling regulation in America as a whole would create more jobs — which is, whatever Mr. Perry may say, what Perrynomics amounts to in practice — involves a fallacy of composition: every state can’t lure jobs away from every other state.

In fact, at a national level lower wages would almost certainly lead to fewer jobs — because they would leave working Americans even less able to cope with the overhang of debt left behind by the housing bubble, an overhang that is at the heart of our economic problem.

So when Mr. Perry presents himself as the candidate who knows how to create jobs, don’t believe him. His prescriptions for job creation would work about as well in practice as his prayer-based attempt to end Texas’s crippling drought.

[jhale667]

Am I the only one that finds it ironic the Texas drought worsened after (P)Rick Perry started asking people to pray for rain? Tends to suggest if there is a God, he/she ain't a fan of (P)Rick Perry... :lmao:

[Little Texan]

Am I the only one that finds it ironic the Texas drought worsened after (P)Rick Perry started asking people to pray for rain? Tends to suggest if there is a God, he/she ain't a fan of (P)Rick Perry... :lmao:

No...that's why I didn't want that fool praying for our country at his big prayer meet in Houston! Judging by the results of his praying for rain in April, I'd say we're headed for a second Great Depression now that he's prayed for our economy.

[Satan]

I found the whole thing rather HELLarious, if I say so myself http://www.cosgan.de/images/smilie/teufel/d010.gif

[Jagermeister]

This is what is really funny. Can I pick um or what. Someone change my user name to Prognosticator

Note Bachman is near the bottom.


http://www.gallup.com/poll/149180/Perry-Zooms-Front-Pack-2012-GOP-Nomination.aspx?utm_source=alert&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=syndication&utm_content=morelink&utm_term=All%20Gallup%20Headlines%20-%20Politics


Perry Zooms to Front of Pack for 2012 GOP Nomination

PRINCETON, NJ -- Shortly after announcing his official candidacy, Texas Gov. Rick Perry has emerged as rank-and-file Republicans' current favorite for their party's 2012 presidential nomination. Twenty-nine percent of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents nationwide say they are most likely to support Perry, with Mitt Romney next, at 17%.

[Guitar Shark]

Congratulations on picking the obvious.

[Jagermeister]

Congratulations on picking the obvious.

Bullshit. That's pure talent buddy. Perry, Australia, and just about every seat in Congress.

http://ih2.redbubble.net/work.1514318.3.sticker,375x360.im-awesome-dont-question-it-just-deal-with-it-v1.png

[PETE'S BROTHER]

Bullshit. That's pure talent buddy. Perry, Australia, and just about every seat in Congress, nightfall, ice in winter.

many others, i'm sure. lotto numbers for tonite?

[Jagermeister]

many others, i'm sure. lotto numbers for tonite?

Sure buddy!

8 23 31 16 42 Power ball 12


I'll shit if any of those hit. :biggrin:

[PETE'S BROTHER]

Sure buddy!

8 23 31 16 42 Power ball 12


I'll shit if any of those hit. :biggrin:

i'll split it with ya :baaa:

[Tob]

Rick Perry is trying to look good, with newspaper, with "HDTV" - you know, there is, with truth, no difference with entities called "Republican" or "Democrat" or beings wearing suit and tie, appropriating money of America, the people of the United States of America, for it's war, with itself, "fear" - "Rick" was holding one gun up in air, seen on a "news" program. What is he afraid of, then?

[Jagermeister]

Sure buddy!

8 23 31 16 42 Power ball 12


I'll shit if any of those hit. :biggrin:

9 13 47 49 53 39

Damn it PB you broke my powers! :(

[PETE'S BROTHER]

it's cause you did the first five out of order and fucked the whole thing up. glad i saved my $1 :biggrin:

[jhale667]

OK, this is classic: (P)Rick pontificated that the hurricane is "God's punishment for NY allowing gays to marry"....(?) Gee then, o zealot fucktard brain-trust - WHY DID IT STRIKE NORTH CAROLINA FIRST??? The dude is too stupid to be a garbage collector, much less POTUS.

[FORD]

I guess that bad hurricane in Texas a couple years back must have been "God's wrath" against Prick's own rumored gay affairs then? :biggrin:

[chefcraig]

OK, this is classic: (P)Rick pontificated that the hurricane is "God's punishment for NY allowing gays to marry"....(?) Gee then, o zealot fucktard brain-trust - WHY DID IT STRIKE NORTH CAROLINA FIRST??? The dude is too stupid to be a garbage collector, much less POTUS.

So it would finally make sense in his head that the reason all of those hurricanes that have first struck Florida over the years is in fact God's revenge for the state being shaped like a pecker and outwardly exposing itself. Of course, the fly in the Vaseline (so to speak) being that God created the Earth in the first place, which creates a circular argument that must keep nitwits like Perry up all hours of the night, leading to fatigue and yet more muddled thinking.

[Unchainme]

OK, this is classic: (P)Rick pontificated that the hurricane is "God's punishment for NY allowing gays to marry"....(?) Gee then, o zealot fucktard brain-trust - WHY DID IT STRIKE NORTH CAROLINA FIRST??? The dude is too stupid to be a garbage collector, much less POTUS.

I even told my dad this, he's a staunch conservative and a supporter of bachmann/perry or anyone but obama

He just facepalmed and said "You're kidding me, right?".

scary times. the 700 club seems to be running the show now along with the koch bros.

[PETE'S BROTHER]

for the state being shaped like a pecker and outwardly exposing itself.

with an oddly placed hole in the "shaft"

[Jagermeister]

OK, this is classic: (P)Rick pontificated that the hurricane is "God's punishment for NY allowing gays to marry"....(?) Gee then, o zealot fucktard brain-trust - WHY DID IT STRIKE NORTH CAROLINA FIRST??? The dude is too stupid to be a garbage collector, much less POTUS.

Are you making shit up again jhale?

[Little Texan]

http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n298/denco428/jokerperry3.jpg

[jhale667]

with an oddly placed hole in the "shaft"

Awkward. :lmao:

[Little Texan]

Link (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/25/rick-perry-texas-life-insurance-scheme_n_935666.html)

Rick Perry Sought State Profits From Teacher Life Insurance Scheme

WASHINGTON -- Two weeks before Thanksgiving in 2003, top officials from Texas Governor Rick Perry's office pitched an unusual offer to the state's retired teachers: Let's get into the death business.

Perry's budget director, Mike Morrissey, laid out a pitch that was both ambitious and risky, according to notes summarizing the meeting provided to The Huffington Post.

According to the notes, which were authenticated by a meeting participant, the Perry administration wanted to help Wall Street investors gamble on how long retired Texas teachers would live. Perry was promising the state big money in exchange for helping Swiss banking giant UBS set up a business of teacher death speculation.

All they had to do was convince retirees to let UBS buy life insurance policies on them. When the retirees died, those policies would pay out benefits to Wall Street speculators, and the state, supposedly, would get paid for arranging the bets. The families of the deceased former teachers would get nothing.

The meeting notes offer the most direct evidence that the Perry administration was not only intimately involved with the insurance scheme, but a leading driver of the plan.

It was a back-room deal at odds with Perry's public persona as a career politician who had successfully sold Texans on his vision of minimal government intrusion. And it still is. Nearly eight years after the meeting, when Perry formally announced his run for the presidency in Charleston, S.C., he honed that vision into the perfect applause line: "I'll promise you this," he had said in his West Texas drawl. "I'll work every day to try to make Washington, D.C. as inconsequential in your life as I can."

Death in Texas, on the other hand, is another matter. That first meeting with teacher groups and retirement plan officials in November 2003, recalled one attendee, was an effort by Perry's office to solicit support for the life insurance idea from teacher associations. There was little question who was promoting the plan.

"His office was pushing it," the source said. "It was like, 'We've got to do whatever we can. ... Here's an innovative idea. We really want you on board.'"

The governor's office was even prepared to put down a little cash up front. If retirees balked at the notion of the state profiting from their deaths, Perry's budget men suggested they could be persuaded for the cost of a pair of shoes, according to the meeting notes. If a retiree signed a contract allowing the state's teacher pension fund to buy life insurance on them, the governor was prepared to give them between $50 and $100.

"Precious little for what they were giving up," said the meeting attendee.

The notes make clear that the governor's proposal deliberately targeted the elderly. The state was only seeking to take out life insurance on people between the ages of 75 and 90. At a separate meeting five days later, the plan's proponents discussed the "mental capacity" of these retirees to grant consent as one of three major technical obstacles to the plan, according to notes from that meeting.

At the first meeting, Morrissey said it could take 10 to 12 years for Texas to "earn" money from the scheme, but insisted the deal could be worth up to $700 million for the state if the retirement fund could sign up 40,000 retired teachers.

The meeting notes show Insurance Commissioner Jose Montemayor, a Perry appointee, joined Morrissey in the sales pitch, claiming that "this arrangement" was already being utilized by "some very rich people" who had set up similar plans to benefit the University of Texas and Texas A&M.

"It was a pretty hard sell: 'This is something you need to get on board with,'" the source said, paraphrasing officials' comments at the meeting.

The source says the claim involving a similar program benefiting the Texas universities turned out to be untrue -- the "rich people" had taken out the policies themselves with the intent of sharing any life insurance payments with the universities. Montemayor, as insurance commissioner, would have had to waive "insurable interest" regulations to allow the schools to buy life insurance on their professors. There is no public record that he did so. The University of Texas and Texas A&M did not return requests for comment.

The aggressive push from the Perry administration differs remarkably from its later public characterization of its involvement in the deal. When the proposal leaked to the press that winter, the governor's spokespeople attempted to tamp down any notion that Perry was the engine behind the plan -- and said if there ever was a plan, it was nowhere near final.

That December, spokesman Gene Acuna told the Dallas Morning News that the plan was merely "a concept." "Questions are being answered, questions are being raised," he said. "Depending on the answers to those questions, plus input from all affected parties ... that will determine the next step."

In a January story in the Fort Worth Star-Telegram, another Perry spokesman attempted to create more distance between the governor and the plan. "We never endorsed any concept," said Robert Black. "The governor's opinion is that it's prudent to look at ideas and concepts ... particularly when it won't result in a loss of benefits or raising taxes to shore up the retirement system."

Messages left for Perry spokespeople requesting comment for this story were not returned. But the behind-the scenes meeting notes reveal Perry's office had not only endorsed the concept, but had already formulated a plan to implement it. That first meeting on Nov. 12 was run by Perry's staff. The man who would become the fall guy for the controversy -- former senator-turned-financier Phil Gramm -- was not even present.

THE GRAMM BARGAIN

Gramm had made six-figure campaign contributions to Perry's campaign and had been -- and may still be -- one of Perry's most trusted political allies and personal mentors. "Perry worships at [Gramm's] feet, intellectually," said one semi-retired political consultant in Austin. "He considers Gramm an economic genius."

After lending political aid to Perry, Gramm was poised to make a fortune from the life insurance deal. His role in the scheme had the appearance of banal corruption and cronyism. Although Gramm wasn't in on the first meeting with teacher groups, he played an active role in subsequent efforts to push the scheme.

It was Gramm who could make the plan a financial reality. He left the U.S. Senate in November 2002 for a lucrative vice president post at UBS. After Morrissey, Montemayor and Perry budget aide Brian Guthrie first articulated the plan on Nov. 12, Gramm came to Austin to help push the deal. That move eventually prompted Texas Democrats to file an ethics complaint against Gramm for making a the pitch without registering as a lobbyist.

Gramm was hoping to put together a new package of complex assets for speculators to gamble on. Corporations had been using mass purchases of life insurance policies on their employees for years as part of an elaborate tax avoidance scheme (the government doesn't tax insurance premiums or death benefits). The employees themselves -- affectionately referred to as "dead peasants" among insurance experts -- received no benefit. Only the companies who bought the policies would receive payouts when these "peasants" died. Gramm wanted to convince investors to bet on peoples' lives by purchasing pools of life insurance and annuities taken out on individuals.

Gramm and UBS had concocted a gruesome combination of what are now regarded as two of the most infamous Wall Street scams on record. The resulting package closely resembled the growing market for mortgage-backed securities, but instead of allowing Wall Street to bet on peoples' homes, it would enable bets on peoples' lives.

State laws generally frowned on big Wall Street investment banks taking out life insurance on random individuals. To buy life insurance on another person, the insuree's written consent was necessary, as was the cooperation of a state insurance regulator willing to work around requirements that the owner of an insurance policy have an "insurable interest" in whatever -- or whomever -- was being insured.

Enter the Texas Teachers Retirement System (TRS), the state-operated pension fund with a tremendous database full of soon-to-be-deceased retirees who could sign off on policies for the UBS scheme. At the meeting with Gramm, then-State Insurance Commissioner Jose Montemayor was happy to bend the law. He agreed to grant a special waiver on insurance regulations that would allow the deal to go through, according to meeting notes.

"There was some worry about the legality," recalled the attendee. "[Montemayor] said 'Don't worry about it.' He could take those questions off the table as the insurance commissioner."

"I don't remember any of the details," Montemayor told HuffPost in a recent interview. He is now a principal with the Black Diamond Capital Partners private equity firm.

When asked about the scheme, TRS insisted that it was only tangentially involved in the UBS discussions.

"While TRS attended a few meetings to learn what the proposal was about, the concept was never fully developed and was never taken to the TRS Board for action," TRS spokesman Howard Goldman told HuffPost. The current executive director of TRS is Brian Guthrie -- one of the two Perry budget officials who presented the deal back in 2003.

The plan was to have UBS buy the life insurance policies with mega-insurer AIG, then bundle those policies into securities, and sell them off to a small group of investors. By keeping the investor group small, Gramm could avoid the public and regulatory scrutiny required by standard public securities sales. He wouldn't even have to disclose details of the scheme to the Securities and Exchange Commission.

Texas would get a portion of the fees UBS received from selling the securities. But while Gramm's pitch included far more structural details than Morrissey's previous talk, it came up shorter on one crucial piece of information: how much money the state would actually make.

Morrissey had described a payout of up to $700 million. But Gramm refused to offer even general revenue figures. In one ghoulish section from the meeting notes, Gramm emphasized that the actual payments to the state would depend on who died, and when.

"These amounts depend on interest rates and deaths," the notes read. "They can't price it yet, or estimate the amount of money available annually to TRS until the bank looks at the universe of those participating."

None of the state's money would be at risk in the initial purchase of life insurance plans, but the state's potential liabilities got murkier when those plans were bundled into securities. In order to profit from those security sales, Texas would have had to partner with UBS. And if investors ultimately thought they'd been bilked in the arrangement, Texas could be sued. It was also not clear how the state would form a partnership with UBS, or how much it would cost.

"It was real nebulous," said a person present at the meeting. "It was kind of like, 'Trust us, we're big boys who play in this league and we're going to protect you.'"

Regardless of how any ultimate deal eventually panned out, Gramm and UBS would score big, up-front commissions just for getting the contracts signed. Phone calls and emails to Gramm requesting comment for this article were not returned. UBS likewise did not respond to requests for comment.

MEDIA BACKLASH

The strange thing about all the scheming was that the teacher pension fund didn't actually need any money. At the time, it had a funding ratio of over 94 percent, well above the 80 percent threshold that financial experts consider healthy. Perry's team needed to convince the public the scheme's architects were the white knight riding in to save their retirements; meeting notes show plans to persuade retirees that they would be doing a patriotic deed by allowing investors to gamble on their deaths.

Jeri Stone, the Texas Classroom Teachers Association's executive director and general counsel, told HuffPost that the plan had nothing to do with shoring up any retiree safety net; it was simply an example of Perry's deference to Gramm. Without the former senator's involvement, she said, the plan might not have gotten an audience.

Since the pension fund was healthy, the deal was instead structured to profit TRS-Care, a health care program for retired teachers administered by pension fund officials. TRS-Care had initially been established in 1985 with 10 years of funding, receiving additional funding injections in following years to keep it afloat.

When the deal eventually leaked, teacher groups balked at the entire arrangement.

"It was just pretty morbid and I don't think it convinced anybody it was gonna enrich anybody except Phil Gramm and UBS," Texas State Teachers Association Spokesman Clay Robison told HuffPost. "Our members were pretty much appalled by it."

"No one wants to think there are people out there hoping you'll die soon," Stone explained.

During the November 2003 meeting, Gramm and the Perry administration were well aware of the potential for a media debacle. "The 'liability' is really on the PR side for AIG ... and possibly TRS," the meeting notes read. "They want to avoid a 'Wal-Mart' problem."

Although hundreds of companies used dead peasant insurance policies to dodge taxes, Walmart took a particularly bad PR beating for the practice, in large part because the company was profiting from massive life insurance policies on rank-and-file workers whom it paid low wages. Perry had just signed off on cutting benefits to retired teacher health care plans, and following that up with a plan to gamble on retiree longevity had the potential for political and public relations trouble.

How to deal with the media was also a topic at the Gramm meeting, according to the notes.

"Gramm said that once the program is structured, the leadership and he will hold a press conference and go to editorial boards," the notes state. If anyone asked tough questions, Gramm instructed they would give vague answers. The key: Do not explain what the plan would exactly entail -- just tell the press that Texas was "using insurance products under the supervision of the insurance commission and Montemayor ... to help fund or enhance TRS-Care." If all else failed, officials were to tell the media that "this is a private offering."

Gramm concluded the meeting, the notes show, by saying he wanted "to consummate this deal ASAP."

When the press did find out about the scheme, Perry's team was unable to simultaneously downplay its role in the endeavor and shape the public narrative about the program. Perry did not defend the plan in detail because doing so would have only reinforced the perception that Perry was, in fact, a major advocate of the plan who had been involved since its inception.

Democrats in the state legislature hammered Perry, decrying his relationship with Gramm as corrupt while highlighting the recent cuts to retiree benefits. Charles Soechting, the chair of the Texas Democratic Party at the time, led the charge.

"It was just real clear that it was a deal worked out between Perry's people and Phil Gramm's to help UBS make a lot of money," he told HuffPost. "It was just a scam."

The deal collapsed. But ultimately, none of its top architects paid a serious political price for the debacle. Perry did not abandon his close relationship with Gramm. A few years later, Perry's 23-year-old son went to work for UBS, and Gramm began urging Perry to let UBS privatize the Texas state lottery. Perry named Guthrie executive director of the teacher pension fund. Morrissey is now a senior adviser to Perry. And Perry himself, of course, is now a top contender for the Republican presidential nomination.

How "Christian" of him.

[Tob]

'Meister, I asked you a question. Perry has money, his big house, his "plan" - does he receive such with honesty? "Perry" seems like a kind-of "docile" being, like GWB, who is "used" as a "tool" for public image "persuasion" - George, he communicated he was a "media creation." That is "U.S." media, none other. Other "tool" beings, those "controlled" by "U.S." groups with money "appropriated" from America, the people, and "war profit," are:

Obama. George Herbert. "U.S." groups "controlling" them "use" what it calls "scapegoats" to keep public attention from what is occurring with such "presiders" covering for them, "U.S. government" and "U.S. military." Most recent, "Bernanke" and "Chertoff" and "Madeoff" and "Spitzer" and "Weiner" have been named. What is that? Your parade of naming?

New to such activity, we have "Barack" who communicated that he was "subversed" and "Nazi" - Reverse Speech - and we have GW who communicated "dictator" with "Homeland" - Deutschland. Busch. Those beings have fucked-up view of our world. "Greed" and lots of money may cause that to happen.

Enjoying those "hurricane" occurrences, then? Those "hurricanes" are PULSE-WEATHER, "weather" that is "manipulated" with "U.S." beam technology, data that may be read from "U.S. military" posts, one other "money-making" thing, "scheme(s)" that have "terrorized" this land, lives, people affected with such "U.S." force.

You have "Little Texan," then, posting what appears as another "spin" piece. First, such writer goes with mentioning "Rick Perry," and then "Gramm" - "tool" and "scapegoat" expression. You write with going from "leading driver of the plan," Perry, to "Perry did not defend the plan in detail," and within we read other "scapegoat" expression, "Perry's team" - drawing appreciation, then "sly" movement "shifting" attention? You "hide" and do not take responsibilty.

[ashstralia]

hehe... "this" is going to be "fun"

[sadaist]

Out of the current bunch, I think Rick Perry will get my vote. Although I must admit I am not overly impressed with any of my candidates. No one is sparking that fire under my ass to get excited.

[FORD]

"Pedobear"? Or "Sideshow Bob"??

no, I'm not talking about Perry (he's Chimpy 2.0 )

[Blaze]

'Meister, I asked you a question. Perry has money, his big house, his "plan" - does he receive such with honesty? "Perry" seems like a kind-of "docile" being, like GWB, who is "used" as a "tool" for public image "persuasion" - George, he communicated he was a "media creation." That is "U.S." media, none other. Other "tool" beings, those "controlled" by "U.S." groups with money "appropriated" from America, the people, and "war profit," are:

Obama. George Herbert. "U.S." groups "controlling" them "use" what it calls "scapegoats" to keep public attention from what is occurring with such "presiders" covering for them, "U.S. government" and "U.S. military." Most recent, "Bernanke" and "Chertoff" and "Madeoff" and "Spitzer" and "Weiner" have been named. What is that? Your parade of naming?

New to such activity, we have "Barack" who communicated that he was "subversed" and "Nazi" - Reverse Speech - and we have GW who communicated "dictator" with "Homeland" - Deutschland. Busch. Those beings have fucked-up view of our world. "Greed" and lots of money may cause that to happen.

Enjoying those "hurricane" occurrences, then? Those "hurricanes" are PULSE-WEATHER, "weather" that is "manipulated" with "U.S." beam technology, data that may be read from "U.S. military" posts, one other "money-making" thing, "scheme(s)" that have "terrorized" this land, lives, people affected with such "U.S." force.

You have "Little Texan," then, posting what appears as another "spin" piece. First, such writer goes with mentioning "Rick Perry," and then "Gramm" - "tool" and "scapegoat" expression. You write with going from "leading driver of the plan," Perry, to "Perry did not defend the plan in detail," and within we read other "scapegoat" expression, "Perry's team" - drawing appreciation, then "sly" movement "shifting" attention? You "hide" and do not take responsibilty.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/71/HAARP20l.jpg/800px-HAARP20l.jpg

Do not “agonize”. PULSE-WEATHER ∆ has “previously” been “hewed”.



http://www.animated-gifs.eu/transportation-boats-sail/0024.gif

[Seshmeister]

Enjoying those "hurricane" occurrences, then? Those "hurricanes" are PULSE-WEATHER, "weather" that is "manipulated" with "U.S." beam technology, data that may be read from "U.S. military" posts, one other "money-making" thing, "scheme(s)" that have "terrorized" this land, lives, people affected with such "U.S." force.


"Ha" "Ha" "Ha" "Ha" "Ha" "Ha" "Ha" "Ha" "Ha" "Ha" :D

[Seshmeister]

I wonder sometimes about the prevalence of paranoid psychosis on these boards, surely there can't be that many people suffering from it in the general population.

My new theory is that it's more common on here because of the long term heavy recreational drug use by the Van Halen demographic. Taking shit for 20-30 years doesn't necessarily mean you will become a crazy deluded person thinking the government is listening to your phone calls to the pizza shop or controlling the weather but it does make it more likely.

I must seek out a Grateful Dead forum and see what they are saying... :)

[binnie]

I think it has more to do with American History: there is a tradition of suspicion towards the government which you can trace all the way back to the Mayflower.

[Seshmeister]

But the HAARP thing isn't even the government. It's run by a corporation that gets funding from a bunch of universities and the Defence department to do weather research. It's completely open and very small, not secret at all and studies how weather affects communication transmissions. It's implausible it's affecting the weather never mind creating hurricanes because it would need to be 10000 times bigger.

These people are like the folk that used to scream WITCHCRAFT! WITCHCRAFT! at the first horseless carriages.

As I've said before I would mind less if they didn't use their 'magical thinking machine' to post this shit.

[Seshmeister]

Wow what an idiot I am, I just realised where we got the word 'car' from. It's amazing the things in front of you that you never even think about.

[binnie]

But the HAARP thing isn't even the government. It's run by a corporation that gets funding from a bunch of universities and the Defence department to do weather research. It's completely open and very small, not secret at all and studies how weather affects communication transmissions. It's implausible it's affecting the weather never mind creating hurricanes because it would need to be 10000 times bigger.

These people are like the folk that used to scream WITCHCRAFT! WITCHCRAFT! at the first horseless carriages.

As I've said before I would mind less if they didn't use their 'magical thinking machine' to post this shit.

Conspiracy is a very interesting topic.

Some people believe that 'the state' exists to quell liberties; others believe that it is a small group of 'capitalist elites'; or the military; or the medical science industry; or the masons, Jews or Catholics.

I'm not sure what they all have in common aside from trying to assign random or unusual events to some form of malevolence/deviance as a means of exaplining the inexplicable. In a lot of caes it seems to be a way of rationalising one's own powerlessness - that is, 'I am powerless because someone keeps me down'.

Personally, I'd just like to know where these elites meet, and how I can become one :D

[Jagermeister]

'Meister, I asked you a question. Perry has money, his big house, his "plan" - does he receive such with honesty? "Perry" seems like a kind-of "docile" being, like GWB, who is "used" as a "tool" for public image "persuasion" - George, he communicated he was a "media creation." That is "U.S." media, none other. Other "tool" beings, those "controlled" by "U.S." groups with money "appropriated" from America, the people, and "war profit," are:

Obama. George Herbert. "U.S." groups "controlling" them "use" what it calls "scapegoats" to keep public attention from what is occurring with such "presiders" covering for them, "U.S. government" and "U.S. military." Most recent, "Bernanke" and "Chertoff" and "Madeoff" and "Spitzer" and "Weiner" have been named. What is that? Your parade of naming?

New to such activity, we have "Barack" who communicated that he was "subversed" and "Nazi" - Reverse Speech - and we have GW who communicated "dictator" with "Homeland" - Deutschland. Busch. Those beings have fucked-up view of our world. "Greed" and lots of money may cause that to happen.

Enjoying those "hurricane" occurrences, then? Those "hurricanes" are PULSE-WEATHER, "weather" that is "manipulated" with "U.S." beam technology, data that may be read from "U.S. military" posts, one other "money-making" thing, "scheme(s)" that have "terrorized" this land, lives, people affected with such "U.S." force.

You have "Little Texan," then, posting what appears as another "spin" piece. First, such writer goes with mentioning "Rick Perry," and then "Gramm" - "tool" and "scapegoat" expression. You write with going from "leading driver of the plan," Perry, to "Perry did not defend the plan in detail," and within we read other "scapegoat" expression, "Perry's team" - drawing appreciation, then "sly" movement "shifting" attention? You "hide" and do not take responsibilty.

"Why" "the" " FUCK" do you do that?

[Jagermeister]

Link (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/25/rick-perry-texas-life-insurance-scheme_n_935666.html)

.

I saw this story yesterday. Considering the source I would say it's complete bull shit.

[kwame k]

'Meister, I asked you a question. Perry has money, his big house, his "plan" - does he receive such with honesty? "Perry" seems like a kind-of "docile" being, like GWB, who is "used" as a "tool" for public image "persuasion" - George, he communicated he was a "media creation." That is "U.S." media, none other. Other "tool" beings, those "controlled" by "U.S." groups with money "appropriated" from America, the people, and "war profit," are:

Obama. George Herbert. "U.S." groups "controlling" them "use" what it calls "scapegoats" to keep public attention from what is occurring with such "presiders" covering for them, "U.S. government" and "U.S. military." Most recent, "Bernanke" and "Chertoff" and "Madeoff" and "Spitzer" and "Weiner" have been named. What is that? Your parade of naming?

New to such activity, we have "Barack" who communicated that he was "subversed" and "Nazi" - Reverse Speech - and we have GW who communicated "dictator" with "Homeland" - Deutschland. Busch. Those beings have fucked-up view of our world. "Greed" and lots of money may cause that to happen.

Enjoying those "hurricane" occurrences, then? Those "hurricanes" are PULSE-WEATHER, "weather" that is "manipulated" with "U.S." beam technology, data that may be read from "U.S. military" posts, one other "money-making" thing, "scheme(s)" that have "terrorized" this land, lives, people affected with such "U.S." force.

You have "Little Texan," then, posting what appears as another "spin" piece. First, such writer goes with mentioning "Rick Perry," and then "Gramm" - "tool" and "scapegoat" expression. You write with going from "leading driver of the plan," Perry, to "Perry did not defend the plan in detail," and within we read other "scapegoat" expression, "Perry's team" - drawing appreciation, then "sly" movement "shifting" attention? You "hide" and do not take responsibilty.

Did Blazed just learn how to use "":headlights:

[Jagermeister]

Did Blazed just learn how to use "":headlights:

"Fuck""if" "I" "know" "."

[Jagermeister]

Tip for Tob or whoever. Most of us here can read just fine it's comprehension some of us have a problem with. i.e jhale. All those quotes are unnecessary.

Welcome aboard mate. :baaa:

[kwame k]

"Incoherent" sentence structure, "no" obvious point being made, and a "passion" about something......what it "is" I have no clue.

Sure sounds like Blazed:headlights:

[Jagermeister]

"Incoherent" sentence structure, "no" obvious point being made, and a "passion" about something......what it "is" I have no clue.

Sure sounds like Blazed:headlights:

:biggrin:

[ashstralia]

i miss ace diamond. let's bring him back.:)

[chefcraig]

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg181/kwpres_photos/remain_calm.jpg

[kwame k]

i miss ace diamond. let's bring him back.:)

I do have all those photoshop's that are sitting around doing nothing:biggrin:

[ashstralia]

i'm in australia making fun of a fucking proper rich idiot godbotherer who i'll never have the chance to ridicule on a ballot paper....

[kwame k]

You do have a pony in this race, Ash..........with a world economy as we have now, what happens in America effects you, too!


This guy is the best the Repukes can come up with? Really?

My conspiracy theory of the moment is that the Repukes don't want the Presidency right now.......the economy is too fucked up and we're about to hit another downward spiral. Wait out another 4 years and you're pretty much guaranteeing a win.......stack Congress with Repukes, block everything the Demo's try to do and ride out the storm.

Either that or.......the Repukes are fucking really this stupid......which in and of itself is a scary alternative.

[hambon4lif]

'Meister, I asked you a question. Perry has money, his big house, his "plan" - does he receive such with honesty? "Perry" seems like a kind-of "docile" being, like GWB, who is "used" as a "tool" for public image "persuasion" - George, he communicated he was a "media creation." That is "U.S." media, none other. Other "tool" beings, those "controlled" by "U.S." groups with money "appropriated" from America, the people, and "war profit," are:
Obama. George Herbert. "U.S." groups "controlling" them "use" what it calls "scapegoats" to keep public attention from what is occurring with such "presiders" covering for them, "U.S. government" and "U.S. military." Most recent, "Bernanke" and "Chertoff" and "Madeoff" and "Spitzer" and "Weiner" have been named. What is that? Your parade of naming?
Enjoying those "hurricane" occurrences, then? Those "hurricanes" are PULSE-WEATHER, "weather" that is "manipulated" with "U.S." beam technology, data that may be read from "U.S. military" posts, one other "money-making" thing, "scheme(s)" that have "terrorized" this land, lives, people affected with such "U.S." force.
You have "Little Texan," then, posting what appears as another "spin" piece. First, such writer goes with mentioning "Rick Perry," and then "Gramm" - "tool" and "scapegoat" expression. You write with going from "leading driver of the plan," Perry, to "Perry did not defend the plan in detail," and within we read other "scapegoat" expression, "Perry's team" - drawing appreciation, then "sly" movement "shifting" attention? You "hide" and do not take responsibilty.

[Seshmeister]

You do have a pony in this race, Ash..........with a world economy as we have now, what happens in America effects you, too!



Not to mention the wars they may start.

[ashstralia]

You do have a pony in this race, Ash..........with a world economy as we have now, what happens in America effects you, too!


of course kwame. it affects other economies too, ones that rely on our dollar, and your dollar too.

[kwame k]

Not to mention the wars they may start.

To quote McSame......"Bomb, Bomb, Bomb, Bomb Iran".

Really I don't see them starting a new war just continuing our failed occupations.

[ashstralia]

meanwhile the spend climbs by millions each day.

[kwame k]

of course kwame. it affects other economies too, ones that rely on our dollar, and your dollar too.

Exactly.......we're a global economy now and you guys have every right to bitch and be concerned about what is happening here.

The 2012 elections are shaping up to be more of the same.....shitty GOP candidates and an ineffective Democratic party.

[kwame k]

meanwhile the spend climbs by millions each day.At some point, heaven forbid, we may have to tax the rich/corporations..........I hope I never live to see the day but.......:biggrin:

[ashstralia]

At some point, heaven forbid, we may have to tax the rich/corporations..........I hope I never live to see the day but.......:biggrin:

scary, but all those $$$ will belong to china anyway....

[kwame k]

Well, I blindly support this country's flag.....http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll103/realtodd/Made-in-China-American-Flag.jpg

I also believe it is my God given right as an American to buy cheap shit from WalMart and support Communism with my purchases at said WalMart!

God Bless America!

[PETE'S BROTHER]

did little texan change his av yet? the new one scares me:hee:

[Little Texan]

'Meister, I asked you a question. Perry has money, his big house, his "plan" - does he receive such with honesty? "Perry" seems like a kind-of "docile" being, like GWB, who is "used" as a "tool" for public image "persuasion" - George, he communicated he was a "media creation." That is "U.S." media, none other. Other "tool" beings, those "controlled" by "U.S." groups with money "appropriated" from America, the people, and "war profit," are:

Obama. George Herbert. "U.S." groups "controlling" them "use" what it calls "scapegoats" to keep public attention from what is occurring with such "presiders" covering for them, "U.S. government" and "U.S. military." Most recent, "Bernanke" and "Chertoff" and "Madeoff" and "Spitzer" and "Weiner" have been named. What is that? Your parade of naming?

New to such activity, we have "Barack" who communicated that he was "subversed" and "Nazi" - Reverse Speech - and we have GW who communicated "dictator" with "Homeland" - Deutschland. Busch. Those beings have fucked-up view of our world. "Greed" and lots of money may cause that to happen.

Enjoying those "hurricane" occurrences, then? Those "hurricanes" are PULSE-WEATHER, "weather" that is "manipulated" with "U.S." beam technology, data that may be read from "U.S. military" posts, one other "money-making" thing, "scheme(s)" that have "terrorized" this land, lives, people affected with such "U.S." force.

You have "Little Texan," then, posting what appears as another "spin" piece. First, such writer goes with mentioning "Rick Perry," and then "Gramm" - "tool" and "scapegoat" expression. You write with going from "leading driver of the plan," Perry, to "Perry did not defend the plan in detail," and within we read other "scapegoat" expression, "Perry's team" - drawing appreciation, then "sly" movement "shifting" attention? You "hide" and do not take responsibilty.

http://www.unnecessaryquotes.com/

[Tob]

Those "HAARP" towers are not why pulse-weather occurs.. beams from a satellite, or satellites, have been "used" - there is a picture of one beam within the middle of a huge mass of cloud, "hurricane" formation, that may be viewed.. how does one post pictures here? Let's look..

Yes, "Masons" and "Jews" and "Catholics" - "LIONS" and "TIGERS" and "BEARS" - O, my! No one is keeping you "down" - your "fear" does that job - such "societies" or "groups" have "used" such to, in fact, keep YOU down, or have tried such.. "ignorance" takes so many different forms.. "economic enslavement" is popular with such groups that "control" - or try.. "dumbing down" is one other..

"Rationalising one's own powerlessness" - that is how I feel "U.S." thinks, feels, when it expresses it's attacks with pulse-weather, virus-spreading, explosion, knocking buildings down, sending snipers, causing quakes, or charging high prices for their gallon of "gas" - good call, Bin.. have they expressed.. "inferiority" - such groups have "complex" within themselves?

And 'Meister, those "quotes" are necessary, I think, maybe not every time - if such is, with truth, not placed there, from myself, beings within "news media" put "spin" with my communication and try "using" it "against" me - watch - you'll know.. that's me, part of my communication..

[Seshmeister]

Your brain is broken, you should see someone about it. :)

[ashstralia]

i'd like to go on the record as a proud australian and say i also fully support my flag and country. and as a pragmatist i'm tired of fine young men dying for some bullshit idea that fomented ten years ago. enough is enough.

also; what sesh said.:)

[Nitro Express]

Back to Perry. He's losing his luster because people are seeing how much big government he brought into Texas. We have to remember political parties are composed of all sorts of different people. You might have a gay person who is very fiscally conservative but no way in hell are they going to support the Republican party. Or you may have a conservative women who is pro choice who wants nothing to do with the Republican party. Then you have your independent, entrepreneur sort of people who want the government out of their way so they can pursue their dream. They are in the Republican party but dislike the connected rich as much as any democrat does. So people tend to vote against something more than they vote for something.

It seems like both parties have been taken over by the radicles. It's probably because these people have nothing else to do. They have no businesses to run or other responsibilities so they get into politics and make that their living. So these sort of people have ruined politics.

Perry looks like such a person. He's increased the government in Texas, has a very poor academic background (can't do anything else so he goes into politics because it's all he can do), he's easy to blackmail and manipulate because he has limited career choices. This is how a lot of the Republicans are viewing the guy around here. The paid Republican radio guys are selling Perry but I'm not sure if anyone is buying.

[Blaze]

Those "HAARP" towers are not why pulse-weather occurs.. beams from a satellite, or satellites, have been "used" - there is a picture of one beam within the middle of a huge mass of cloud, "hurricane" formation, that may be viewed.. how does one post pictures here? Let's look..

Yes, "Masons" and "Jews" and "Catholics" - "LIONS" and "TIGERS" and "BEARS" - O, my! No one is keeping you "down" - your "fear" does that job - such "societies" or "groups" have "used" such to, in fact, keep YOU down, or have tried such.. "ignorance" takes so many different forms.. "economic enslavement" is popular with such groups that "control" - or try.. "dumbing down" is one other..

"Rationalising one's own powerlessness" - that is how I feel "U.S." thinks, feels, when it expresses it's attacks with pulse-weather, virus-spreading, explosion, knocking buildings down, sending snipers, causing quakes, or charging high prices for their gallon of "gas" - good call, Bin.. have they expressed.. "inferiority" - such groups have "complex" within themselves?

And 'Meister, those "quotes" are necessary, I think, maybe not every time - if such is, with truth, not placed there, from myself, beings within "news media" put "spin" with my communication and try "using" it "against" me - watch - you'll know.. that's me, part of my communication..

It is called sunlight~ :biggrin:

[FORD]

Whatever "hallucinogenics" our recently returned "friend" is using, perhaps he should do the "right" thing and "share"....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbwM2DmAJfk

[Tob]

Blaze communicates, "It is called sunlight" - sun light appears above and ~piercing~ what appears as "U.S." release of "chem-trail" stuff. It's "oil" spread, with angle, kind-of a rectangular sheeting edge with lower drift, is "sign" with such, not natural cloud formation.

[Little Texan]

Blaze communicates, "It is called sunlight" - sun light appears above and ~piercing~ what appears as "U.S." release of "chem-trail" stuff. It's "oil" spread, with angle, kind-of a rectangular sheeting edge with lower drift, is "sign" with such, not natural cloud formation.

Dude, it's called Paranoid Schizophrenia. The delusions you are experiencing are not real, and have no basis in fact. Seek help immediately.

[Tob]

'Meister - if you are man enough to answer question with the post, maybe I could keep from quoting so much. "Mate" - you Aussie? You avoid, dismiss, or ignore what is written, what you may not understand?

[Tob]

Your brain is broken, you should see someone about it. :)

Sesh', I write my thought, with review, with your thread.. you avoid or dismiss what YOU do not understand, ignoring? One step at a time, Sesh', pick a question, paragraph, breathe.

[Blaze]

'Meister - if you are man enough to answer question with the post, maybe I could keep from quoting so much. "Mate" - you Aussie? You avoid, dismiss, or ignore what is written, what you may not understand?

He is a bit correct, it is called delusions and that sort is paranoid delusions . You could be low on or need extra of b12 for any number of reasons.

[Blaze]

Sesh', I write my thought, with review, with your thread.. you avoid or dismiss what YOU do not understand, ignoring? One step at a time, Sesh', pick a question, paragraph, breathe.

The onset is usually insidious as B12 stores in the liver are depleted, and starts with symptoms of anaemia, i.e. lethargy and breathlessness. The anaemia may be more severe than symptoms suggest, due to physiological adaptation.
Other symptoms may include anorexia, weight loss, diarrhoea and dyspepsia. Glossitis may be an early symptom.
Pernicious anaemia may first present as an incidental finding during the investigation of (reversible) diarrhoea.7
Neurological involvement may be present even in the absence of anaemia. This is particularly common in patients over the age of 60. The peripheral nerves are most commonly involved, followed by the spinal cord (subacute degeneration of the cord).
Peripheral loss of vibratory sense and position are early indications of central nervous system (CNS) involvement, accompanied by reflex loss and mild-to-moderate weakness. Later stages may be characterised by spasticity, Babinski's responses and ataxia.
Other uncommon neurological symptoms include impairment of pain, temperature and touch sensations. The legs and feet are involved earlier and more consistently than the hands.
Yellow-blue blindness may occur.
Psychiatric symptoms (usually more prominent in advanced cases) may include depression, paranoia (megaloblastic madness), delirium, confusion and dementia.3
Signs may include anaemia and jaundice.
Severely anaemic patients may present with heart failure, often triggered by an infection. Hepatomegaly and splenomegaly8 may be present.
http://www.patient.co.uk/doctor/Pernicious-Anaemia-and-B12-Deficiency.htm


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3pJ3Mb4NqE

[Tob]

Dude, it's called Paranoid Schizophrenia. The delusions you are experiencing are not real, and have no basis in fact. Seek help immediately.

Paranormal simplicities? "Little Texan," if you are unaware of activites occurring from "U.S." force, with it's beam technology or it's "chem-trail" stuff, that does not "mean" it has not occurred. You may review such fact with such picture that Blaze posted. You may look on the internet and locate one picture with a beam of light in the center of cloud formation that was later a pulse-weather "hurricane" experience that caused "devastation" with land, lives, and property. You may be UNAWARE, but that is O.K. - help yourself, with review, beyond "news media."

[Blaze]

Paranormal simplicities? "Little Texan," if you are unaware of activites occurring from "U.S." force, with it's beam technology or it's "chem-trail" stuff, that does not "mean" it has not occurred. You may review such fact with such picture that Blaze posted. You may look on the internet and locate one picture with a beam of light in the center of cloud formation that was later a pulse-weather "hurricane" experience that caused "devastation" with land, lives, and property. You may be UNAWARE, but that is O.K. - help yourself, with review, beyond "news media."

Tob because I think you are an "regular" trying to hide your writing patterns I am not going to write you off as daft.

Weather control has been around for quite some time. It is nothing new. However, there is no developments on Hurricane modification. The "chem trails" are often plainly explainable. Occasionally there are unusual clouds that are documented more often due to leaps in technology.

Moreover, IF there was a program that catered to weather patterns, chem trails and the likes, it would be hacked. So when you are worried about the goberment gettin ya'; you should really be worried about LulZsec sorts bored on a Friday night setting feature date entertainment. :)

Cheers!

[Tob]

'Meister, I asked you a question. Perry has money, his big house, his "plan" - does he receive such with honesty? "Perry" seems like a kind-of "docile" being, like GWB, who is "used" as a "tool" for public image "persuasion" - George, he communicated he was a "media creation." That is "U.S." media, none other. Other "tool" beings, those "controlled" by "U.S." groups with money "appropriated" from America, the people, and "war profit," are:

Obama. George Herbert. "U.S." groups "controlling" them "use" what it calls "scapegoats" to keep public attention from what is occurring with such "presiders" covering for them, "U.S. government" and "U.S. military." Most recent, "Bernanke" and "Chertoff" and "Madeoff" and "Spitzer" and "Weiner" have been named. What is that? Your parade of naming?

New to such activity, we have "Barack" who communicated that he was "subversed" and "Nazi" - Reverse Speech - and we have GW who communicated "dictator" with "Homeland" - Deutschland. Busch. Those beings have fucked-up view of our world. "Greed" and lots of money may cause that to happen.

Enjoying those "hurricane" occurrences, then? Those "hurricanes" are PULSE-WEATHER, "weather" that is "manipulated" with "U.S." beam technology, data that may be read from "U.S. military" posts, one other "money-making" thing, "scheme(s)" that have "terrorized" this land, lives, people affected with such "U.S." force.

You have "Little Texan," then, posting what appears as another "spin" piece. First, such writer goes with mentioning "Rick Perry," and then "Gramm" - "tool" and "scapegoat" expression. You write with going from "leading driver of the plan," Perry, to "Perry did not defend the plan in detail," and within we read other "scapegoat" expression, "Perry's team" - drawing appreciation, then "sly" movement "shifting" attention? You "hide" and do not take responsibilty.

Those of you who have - you do not have to freak out, maybe experiencing "delusions" with avoiding, dismissing, or ignoring what you may not understand or might have been unaware of - you may review your "HAARP" towers picture-post, you may observe "chem-trail" formation in it's top right corner (with light refraction appearing to touch upon such). Such "trails" have been posted on the internet for all to review, see, and rise above. Such "trail" occurs with a "line" and drifts within air, sheeting occurs, it's spread, and it may appear with angled formation, clue that such is, with truth, not natural cloud formation.

[Little Texan]

Paranormal simplicities? "Little Texan," if you are unaware of activites occurring from "U.S." force, with it's beam technology or it's "chem-trail" stuff, that does not "mean" it has not occurred. You may review such fact with such picture that Blaze posted. You may look on the internet and locate one picture with a beam of light in the center of cloud formation that was later a pulse-weather "hurricane" experience that caused "devastation" with land, lives, and property. You may be UNAWARE, but that is O.K. - help yourself, with review, beyond "news media."

No thanks. I'll just stick with my initial response of YOU'RE CRAZY. (thanks for proving my point, btw.) Even if all of this nonsense you are going on about is somehow actually true (it's not), I would just keep it to myself if I were you and cease posting it all over a public forum. I believe an old Abraham Lincoln quote applies here..."It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt."

Now about pRick Perry...

[Dr. Love]

http://i.imgur.com/lCwoU.jpg

[Dr. Love]

good lord I broke the forums!

[Seshmeister]

LMAO!

I had heard of the chemtrail people but never come across a live one.

They are the PLATINUM BRAINS©®™ of the conspiracy theorists. It takes proper mental health issues to see the vapour trail coming from an airliner and believe it's the government spraying you with MIND CUNTROL©®™ chemicals. :D

[ashstralia]

funny too sesh, try to point that out to them and they think YOU'RE the crazy one.:)

[Nickdfresh]

'Meister - if you are man enough to answer question with the post, maybe I could keep from quoting so much. "Mate" - you Aussie? You avoid, dismiss, or ignore what is written, what you may not understand?

Get over yourself dude. You're waaaaayyyyy out of your league with this silly fucking nonsense. Really? We have magical, omnipotent weather weapons? Then how did we get bogged down in Iraq for five or six years by guys with AK's, RPG's (1940's-50's technology) and simply produced roadside IED's?

Turn off the George Noory, he's not nearly as entertaining as Art Bell was and is 20 times more delusional with his inside-job clap trap stuff...

[Nickdfresh]

Those of you who have - you do not have to freak out, maybe experiencing "delusions" with avoiding, dismissing, or ignoring what you may not understand or might have been unaware of - you may review your "HAARP" towers picture-post, you may observe "chem-trail" formation in it's top right corner (with light refraction appearing to touch upon such). Such "trails" have been posted on the internet for all to review, see, and rise above. Such "trail" occurs with a "line" and drifts within air, sheeting occurs, it's spread, and it may appear with angled formation, clue that such is, with truth, not natural cloud formation.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-MOSckCwOb0c/TlF4A9wafNI/AAAAAAAAPug/Stc6PDA2K2s/s1600/troll+9.jpg

[Nitro Express]

Back to scary Perry. As governor Perry doubled the debt of the state of Texas. Texas now has a higher debt per capita than California.

As far as Coast to Coast AM goes. I don't know how people can listen through all the commercials. Art Bell had a show that was mysterious and Twilight Zone like. It went from that to Noorey selling fear. The market research must indicate that fear sells because everyone is selling it now.

[PETE'S BROTHER]

LMAO!

I had heard of the chemtrail people but never come across a live one.

They are the PLATINUM BRAINS©®™ of the conspiracy theorists. It takes proper mental health issues to see the vapour trail coming from an airliner and believe it's the government spraying you with MIND CUNTROL©®™ chemicals. :D

that's not on international flights, is it?

[Tob]

'Meister, I asked you a question. Perry has money, his big house, his "plan" - does he receive such with honesty? "Perry" seems like a kind-of "docile" being, like GWB, who is "used" as a "tool" for public image "persuasion" - George, he communicated he was a "media creation." That is "U.S." media, none other. Other "tool" beings, those "controlled" by "U.S." groups with money "appropriated" from America, the people, and "war profit," are:

Obama. George Herbert. "U.S." groups "controlling" them "use" what it calls "scapegoats" to keep public attention from what is occurring with such "presiders" covering for them, "U.S. government" and "U.S. military." Most recent, "Bernanke" and "Chertoff" and "Madeoff" and "Spitzer" and "Weiner" have been named. What is that? Your parade of naming?

New to such activity, we have "Barack" who communicated that he was "subversed" and "Nazi" - Reverse Speech - and we have GW who communicated "dictator" with "Homeland" - Deutschland. Busch. Those beings have fucked-up view of our world. "Greed" and lots of money may cause that to happen.

Enjoying those "hurricane" occurrences, then? Those "hurricanes" are PULSE-WEATHER, "weather" that is "manipulated" with "U.S." beam technology, data that may be read from "U.S. military" posts, one other "money-making" thing, "scheme(s)" that have "terrorized" this land, lives, people affected with such "U.S." force.

You have "Little Texan," then, posting what appears as another "spin" piece. First, such writer goes with mentioning "Rick Perry," and then "Gramm" - "tool" and "scapegoat" expression. You write with going from "leading driver of the plan," Perry, to "Perry did not defend the plan in detail," and within we read other "scapegoat" expression, "Perry's team" - drawing appreciation, then "sly" movement "shifting" attention? You "hide" and do not take responsibilty.

"Blaze" - YOU are "spinning" but your brain is ~unwound~

Your "think" is "delusion" and we may appreciate you best if you would keep with Sesh' topic. You "hide" behind "Blaze" and have "spun" with your mind "unwinding" into "mad-hat" and "off-topic" expression - "nonsense" it may be called. Keep with Sesh' topic. Stay on topic.

"Hurricane modification" - you have "spun" with "dim-wit" or unwitting expression, "fed" to you. PULSE-WEATHER expression having NOT EXISTED BEFORE, "artificially" generated with beam technology, "directed" force that looks "hurricane" and then "pushed" toward living beingness so that "death" with "destruction" occurs within "minds" THINKING such within our physical "world" experience is what has occurred then and today. You may, with truth, learn, with play, with realization, and with release.

You "explain" whatever you may, yet we may realize "chem-trail" activity occurring. "U.S." force "has been" spreading such near this house almost every day. If you have been unaware of such, that does not communicate nonexistence. I understand you "know" more than you admit. If you express "hacking" - O.K. - but I have realized expressing truth, communicating true, is best. I'm not "worried" - I enjoy information that is helpful with real experience and inspiration, maybe enjoying your AWARENESS when you rise above with awareness.

[Tob]

Those "HAARP" towers are not why pulse-weather occurs.. beams from a satellite, or satellites, have been "used" - there is a picture of one beam within the middle of a huge mass of cloud, "hurricane" formation, that may be viewed.. how does one post pictures here? Let's look..

Yes, "Masons" and "Jews" and "Catholics" - "LIONS" and "TIGERS" and "BEARS" - O, my! No one is keeping you "down" - your "fear" does that job - such "societies" or "groups" have "used" such to, in fact, keep YOU down, or have tried such.. "ignorance" takes so many different forms.. "economic enslavement" is popular with such groups that "control" - or try.. "dumbing down" is one other..

"Rationalising one's own powerlessness" - that is how I feel "U.S." thinks, feels, when it expresses it's attacks with pulse-weather, virus-spreading, explosion, knocking buildings down, sending snipers, causing quakes, or charging high prices for their gallon of "gas" - good call, Bin.. have they expressed.. "inferiority" - such groups have "complex" within themselves?

And 'Meister, those "quotes" are necessary, I think, maybe not every time - if such is, with truth, not placed there, from myself, beings within "news media" put "spin" with my communication and try "using" it "against" me - watch - you'll know.. that's me, part of my communication..

Before we move on, "Little Texan," I have thought of you and may, today, communicate that I have enjoyed your bringing forth "article" that may be helpful. I, then, read what appeared as "tool" with "scapegoat" expression, "practice" that "U.S." force keeps. Thanks for your offering if such is, with truth, real effort. Your "judgement" and "lack" of "comprehension" doesn't make you or any one "fool" - I reflect, feeling that, maybe, "Perry's team" is visiting with expressing such. A.L. communicated, with truth, I have read, words similar to: Have I not "defeated" my "enemies" when I have "made" friends of them? Sounds interesting, true, maybe his exact words, too, if I remember.

[Tob]

'Meister, I asked you a question. Perry has money, his big house, his "plan" - does he receive such with honesty? "Perry" seems like a kind-of "docile" being, like GWB, who is "used" as a "tool" for public image "persuasion" - George, he communicated he was a "media creation." That is "U.S." media, none other. Other "tool" beings, those "controlled" by "U.S." groups with money "appropriated" from America, the people, and "war profit," are:

Obama. George Herbert. "U.S." groups "controlling" them "use" what it calls "scapegoats" to keep public attention from what is occurring with such "presiders" covering for them, "U.S. government" and "U.S. military." Most recent, "Bernanke" and "Chertoff" and "Madeoff" and "Spitzer" and "Weiner" have been named. What is that? Your parade of naming?

New to such activity, we have "Barack" who communicated that he was "subversed" and "Nazi" - Reverse Speech - and we have GW who communicated "dictator" with "Homeland" - Deutschland. Busch. Those beings have fucked-up view of our world. "Greed" and lots of money may cause that to happen.

Enjoying those "hurricane" occurrences, then? Those "hurricanes" are PULSE-WEATHER, "weather" that is "manipulated" with "U.S." beam technology, data that may be read from "U.S. military" posts, one other "money-making" thing, "scheme(s)" that have "terrorized" this land, lives, people affected with such "U.S." force.

You have "Little Texan," then, posting what appears as another "spin" piece. First, such writer goes with mentioning "Rick Perry," and then "Gramm" - "tool" and "scapegoat" expression. You write with going from "leading driver of the plan," Perry, to "Perry did not defend the plan in detail," and within we read other "scapegoat" expression, "Perry's team" - drawing appreciation, then "sly" movement "shifting" attention? You "hide" and do not take responsibilty.

You have never met one, Sesh', "chem-trail" witness? Neither did I, but one day that "shit" was appearing above or near the house I reside in. You have no clue until looking, observing, ready to awaken, if one is prepared, for your mind keeps "limit" with your perception. With my writing, former site, with communication, I suppose "U.S." entities "heard" of such. These entities are "emotional" and release what they have put within their "wings" and "tails" - white stream "trail" drifting with slow movement, spreading out in sheet, that "lingers" for hours.

[Tob]

Those "HAARP" towers are not why pulse-weather occurs.. beams from a satellite, or satellites, have been "used" - there is a picture of one beam within the middle of a huge mass of cloud, "hurricane" formation, that may be viewed.. how does one post pictures here? Let's look..

Yes, "Masons" and "Jews" and "Catholics" - "LIONS" and "TIGERS" and "BEARS" - O, my! No one is keeping you "down" - your "fear" does that job - such "societies" or "groups" have "used" such to, in fact, keep YOU down, or have tried such.. "ignorance" takes so many different forms.. "economic enslavement" is popular with such groups that "control" - or try.. "dumbing down" is one other..

"Rationalising one's own powerlessness" - that is how I feel "U.S." thinks, feels, when it expresses it's attacks with pulse-weather, virus-spreading, explosion, knocking buildings down, sending snipers, causing quakes, or charging high prices for their gallon of "gas" - good call, Bin.. have they expressed.. "inferiority" - such groups have "complex" within themselves?

And 'Meister, those "quotes" are necessary, I think, maybe not every time - if such is, with truth, not placed there, from myself, beings within "news media" put "spin" with my communication and try "using" it "against" me - watch - you'll know.. that's me, part of my communication..

NF, "George Noory" is "former military," he communicates "inside job" because - with such expression, if he expressed such - awareness first came from PEOPLE realizing, having brought communication forward, questioning. He "mimics" - though, he has a family. The heart may be growing, opening with truth, beyond "fear" - I think he communicated his being with "U.S. military" before. "How did we get bogged down in Iraq" - "we" haven't, "U.S. military" got immersed within such. "Dumb asses" or "war-profit" or "desire" going with "money-making" or "unfamiliarity" with "terrain" and "people" and "culture" has, maybe, been their experience with such "bog" - conscience occurred, welling forth within minds of "soldiers" crying, expressing what realization may have occurred within, reported, with such group experiencing body broken.

[PETE'S BROTHER]

it seems like such a "time sink". tob must be a "bot" of sorts

[FORD]

Alaska won't be all that big when it melts. You would know that if you were a human from Alaska, rather than a spambot from Tianjin.

[Blaze]

stop fucking spamming this motherfucking forum you dingbat!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Nickdfresh]

NF, "George Noory" is "former military,"

So am I. So fucking what? The fact that I was in the military only makes these wingnut conspiracy theories even more implausible....


he communicates "inside job" because - with such expression, if he expressed such - awareness first came from PEOPLE realizing, having brought communication forward, questioning. He "mimics" - though, he has a family. The heart may be growing, opening with truth, beyond "fear" - I think he communicated his being with "U.S. military" before. "How did we get bogged down in Iraq" - "we" haven't, "U.S. military" got immersed within such. "Dumb asses" or "war-profit" or "desire" going with "money-making" or "unfamiliarity" with "terrain" and "people" and "culture" has, maybe, been their experience with such "bog" - conscience occurred, welling forth within minds of "soldiers" crying, expressing what realization may have occurred within, reported, with such group experiencing body broken.

Easy on the glue....

[Nitro Express]

George Noory is about making $$$$$$$$$. Coast to Coast AM is a business. 2012 is coming so buy your gold and food storage. Lost your job? Join our work at home scheme. Now you can't miss a Coast show with the new C.Crane recording radio. Sign up on our paid website to hear all your favorite past shows. Half of the airtime is ads. It's a job. He pulls huge ratings and can sell lots of advertising. You also don't build a new studio on the Kona coast if you are worried about 2012 earth changes. Noory would be up in the high mountains with a bunker if he actually believed his show.

[Nitro Express]

"trail" drifting with slow movement, spreading out in sheet, that "lingers" for hours.

That had to be one hell of a fart.

[Nitro Express]

I don't fear the government. But I hope to hell I never have to answer to the Coca Cola Company.

[Nickdfresh]

George Noory is about making $$$$$$$$$. Coast to Coast AM is a business. 2012 is coming so buy your gold and food storage. Lost your job? Join our work at home scheme. Now you can't miss a Coast show with the new C.Crane recording radio. Sign up on our paid website to hear all your favorite past shows. Half of the airtime is ads. It's a job. He pulls huge ratings and can sell lots of advertising. You also don't build a new studio on the Kona coast if you are worried about 2012 earth changes. Noory would be up in the high mountains with a bunker if he actually believed his show.

Cheap dirty bastards even make you pay for streaming. (They try anyway)...

[FORD]

Back to scary Perry. As governor Perry doubled the debt of the state of Texas. Texas now has a higher debt per capita than California.

As far as Coast to Coast AM goes. I don't know how people can listen through all the commercials. Art Bell had a show that was mysterious and Twilight Zone like. It went from that to Noorey selling fear. The market research must indicate that fear sells because everyone is selling it now.

Noory's a right wing shithead, and the last time I even bothered with that assclown was the night he gave his entire show over to Michael "of the Devil" Chertoff's cousin Ben, editor of the Hearst Publishing 9/11 whitewash issue of "Popular Mechanics". Art Bell would be rolling in his grave over that shit if he were dead. Probably his wife was though.

Even so, I can't blame Noory for the commercials. Sadly, that's a hazard of ANY talk radio show from Hartmann & Malloy to Limpballs & Hannazi.

[Nitro Express]

I don't think Art Bell had any kind of agenda. I think he was let's open the microphones up and let her run and the weirder the better. It was Noory who made Coast political.

[FORD]

Yeah, I was never a big fan of the show, but my friend Billy listened to it every damn night. That's how I got stuck listening to the Chertoff crap, because we were coming back from the ocean in his truck. He really listened for all the alien freak stuff that Bell used to talk about, but remained a fan of the show until the day he died, despite Noory's being a shitty substitute.

[Nitro Express]

I didn't know about Coast to Coast until a few years ago. I was up late getting our boat ready for a family vacation and turned the radio on to keep me awake and I was going hell this is different. I admit, it can be quite entertaining.

I tell you the people I know who believe in UFO are pretty normal people. My father in law claims he saw one and he was a Boeing executive who would be the last person you would think would believe such a thing. He claims he saw something moving fast in the sky and it made a sharp 90 degree turn. All I can say is I will believe when I experience it myself. But people believe or claim to see some strange stuff. My sister in law claims she saw the ghost of a person who died in her home. My in laws seem to have the paranormal experiences.

[Nickdfresh]

Yeah, I was never a big fan of the show, but my friend Billy listened to it every damn night. That's how I got stuck listening to the Chertoff crap, because we were coming back from the ocean in his truck. He really listened for all the alien freak stuff that Bell used to talk about, but remained a fan of the show until the day he died, despite Noory's being a shitty substitute.

Unfortunately Ford, you'll have to square that with the fact that you and Noory agree on the 9/11 stuff, bud...

[FORD]

Unfortunately Ford, you'll have to square that with the fact that you and Noory agree on the 9/11 stuff, bud...

Well, if he does, you would never know it when he let Cousin Of The Devil spew his disinformation and promote his white wash magazine for hours. If Noory has said something otherwise since then, good to hear he's wised up. But I doubt I'd listen anyway.

[Nitro Express]

My daughter was selling magazine subscriptions for a school fundraiser so I picked Popular Mechanics as one of the magazines to get. I just tossed a bunch of issues into the recycle bin I never bothered to read. I have some older issues from the 40's and 50's that were in an old cabin our family used to own. It was a more sophisticated magazine back then with some cool plans for do it yourself projects. Now it's about new military weapons, conspiracy shit, and corporate propaganda. About the only thing worth reading is Jay Leno's column if you like cars.

[Tob]

Yes, NF, you were unaware "U.S." force has PULSE-WEATHER technology, yet you were a "soldier" in their "U.S. military," correct? We know "George Noory" had been with "U.S. military" - "So fucking what?" If he is with such, or was, that may be best to know. If he is with such group, or was, then he would "defend" such group, "right" or "wrong" - "disinformation" or "spin" could occur from himself, with their group, if our people were unaware. He said he was within "U.S. military," his words, and yours. Art Bell, he was best with the kind of "radio-show" he had - we agree.

"Easy on the glue" - NF, you may be experiencing "haze" of true "ignorance" or unawareness. I am, with truth, potent, from within, but "U.S. military" expressed their energy in 1991 - my first awareness of such. Tob did not bring it, "U.S." force did, does, and "has been" - I was 22 years of age when GHWB expressed his "new world order" with their "U.S. military," I was listening to Van Halen then. From '83 to '91, I think it was. Then "U.S." force began to show itself. "U.S. soldiers" were reported to have been crying for what they had done to Iraq, family-groups "killed" - "soldiers" had "vaccine" put within themselves, "disease" causing great hurt, "sickness" and "death" - body "pain" with "mental" pain, "anquished" being.

[Tob]

Why are you "spamming" within the "Roth Army" forum, FORD? With Pete's. Blaze may be on your ass, friend, with your "moderation" WITH "spam" expression? Tob is "good" - not "bot" (boT) - and Blaze is playful. This is Sesh' "Rick Perry" thread, involved with "U.S. force" - where our writing has discovered, lead, and we may review my question, each one, instead of "dismissing" or "ignoring" or "running" from such.

[FORD]

Figures you have the only padded cell in the entire asylum with wi-fi access.

[Little Texan]

Figures you have the only padded cell in the entire asylum with wi-fi access.

Yeah, lucky us. <a href="http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php" title="Smiley"><img src="http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-rolleyes008.gif" alt="Smiley" border="0" /></a>

[Tob]

FORD and "Little Texan," you are "spamming" - what have you been "afraid" of? You're "disrespecting" our "Roth Army" forum with such. FORD, you are "submerged" - unaware of why. Tob writes awareness of what he is, with truth, aware with.. after Sesh' post with "Rick Perry," and "Little Texan" has "chime" in.

[Nitro Express]

I think George Noory is a member of the illuminati and a disinformation agent. They lured Art Bell away using a young filipino MK Ultra mind controlled sex slave. Art was getting too close to the truth and they had to get rid of him. :biggrin:

[standin]

stop fucking spamming this motherfucking forum you dingbat!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:(


I didn't mean to hurt you! Blood red is showing :cry2:

I really do think that selective breeding is something to be concerned about!
But not like you think, so much, but with sperm banks that will be an issue too.
With gene therapy certain unwanted traits like b12 malabsorption can be eliminated.
And many other things could be removed with gene therapy.
A mother and father will be making choices for children's future.
Changing their body to fit what is best for the family or society they live in.
Kind of like a body modification.
And body modifications are done in today's world to children all the time.
It is just "good health"

I am really sorry if that hurt your feelings. I should have clarified what I was talking about.
Not Nazi stuff, but modified gene therapy.

I know if given the choice I would choose

[Tob]

"Veteran" - I've taken gun-shot blasts to a chest, three times, and below, also. One person, one time, poked me with "knife" - he was "hurting" after realizing what occurred from "U.S." force expressing it's PULSE-WEATHER "hurricane" energy. AFTER FEELING HIS PAIN, I took his hand in mine, holding him. One being, then, shot me with his "hand-gun" that "felt" like a "pin-prick" in my chest. One being shot me with multiple "bullets" hitting my body "rapid-fire" - he shot one "female" being in her "belly" before "turning" his gun toward myself. I, Tob, let his "bullets" hit me, without fear. She was, also, beyond fear. Communicating truth, these different "attacks" occurred within the energy state.. with investigating, discovery, with courage, with calm, we are true "veteran" beings with this country, the United States of America.

[chefcraig]

Jesus Christ, was there some sort of huge sale at the Walgreen's pharmacy over the weekend? Now we have standin talking to Blaze (who along with Oolith all happen to be the same person) with the new guy doing play by play. Swell, yet none of it is entertaining, let alone decipherable. Enough, get back onto the topic of Perry, or this one is getting closed up as well.

[hambon4lif]

People displaying their mental defectiveness on messageboards used to be funny to me, now it's not even slightly amusing.

[Va Beach VH Fan]

But back to the topic, AGAIN....

I wonder if/when Perry will ask for federal assistance with those wildfires....

[chefcraig]

But back to the topic, AGAIN....

I wonder if/when Perry will ask for federal assistance with those wildfires....

There have been a few articles covering Perry's tour of the devastation, quoting him as saying he will apply for federal disaster aid. Supposedly, the Obama administration had turned down earlier requests from the governor. Anyone else know about this? I honestly don't have the time this morning to research things. Link to one of these stories:

Massive fire still raging outside of Austin - Star Telegram (http://www.star-telegram.com/2011/09/05/3338502/massive-fire-still-raging-outside.html)

[jhale667]

Interesting article on why the wackjob sect Perry belongs to has NO place in politics. Or life in general...

More of the same? (No, much worse)

http://christiancentury.org/blogs/archive/2011-08/more-same

Aug 31, 2011 by Gregory Metzger

Much of the backlash against critics of Governor Rick Perry's religious beliefs has focused on the idea that the charges are essentially "more of the same": more of the same secularist paranoia about religion in public life, more of the same elitist disdain for the "evangelical vote," more of the same fear-mongering over tangential connections to Christian theocrats.

But these dismissals are themselves more of the same: the same ignorance of the influence of Pentecostal and charismatic movements on American Christianity. According to one leading critic of Perry's views--researcher and writer Rachel Tabachnik, who spoke to Terry Gross last week--the New Apostolic Reformation movement is not simply the same old thing with a new name:

[The NAR] is quite radically different than the evangelicalism of my youth. The things that we've been talking about are not representative of evangelicalism. They're not representative of conservative evangelicalism. . . This is a movement that's growing in popularity, and one of the ways they've been able to do that [is that]...they're just presented as nondenominational or just Christian--but it is an identifiable movement now with an identifiable ideology."

It's a troubling ideology. The NAR's utopian vision is, as Tabachnik summarizes it, to see like-minded Christians "take control over government, arts and entertainment, media, education, business, family, and religion" to prepare for the end times. This raises serious questions for people of good will, whatever their religious beliefs.

As for Governor Perry, it's not just that he has some sort of distant, shadowy connection to the NAR that's of concern to northeast liberals. Perry has gone out of his way to identify his public expressions of religion with the NAR. His recent prayer rally was patterned after NAR themes, endorsed by NAR "apostles" and promoted by NAR personnel. As Tabachnik puts it:

A who's who of New Apostolic leaders graced the stage at Perry's [prayer rally]. Some of the crowd obviously recognized them. Young people in the audience could be seen bobbing from the waist, up and down, like Apostle Lou Engle has done for years, mimicking a movement from Jewish prayer.

Perry's prayer rally was patterned after Lou Engle's The Call.

When Perry came out to speak and pray, he hugged and thanked Alice Patterson and then had her stand by his side throughout his appearance. Patterson is an NAR apostle known for claiming to learn from a vision that the Democratic Party is "an invisible network of evil comprising an unholy structure" (emphasis in original) that was released by the spirit of Jezebel. (Lest you think she is a purely partisan visionary, Patterson also reports another vision showing that the Republican Party is under the spiritual control of Ahab.)

Ross Douthat and others are right to point out that the media is for the most part ignorant about religion. But the consequence of that ignorance isn't that some people are calling attention to Perry's beliefs. It's that his relationship with the NAR continues to fly under the national media's radar. The initial national coverage of Perry's prayer rally was nondescript and said nothing about the NAR's participation or Patterson's unique beliefs. Until Trabachnik appeared on Gross's show, few Americans knew about Perry's coreligionists--a lack of knowledge shared by those now quick to assure us that his faith is just more of the same.

[FORD]

But back to the topic, AGAIN....

I wonder if/when Perry will ask for federal assistance with those wildfires....

No, so far he only asked God for assistance. Apparently God told him to fuck off. Who could blame Him? :biggrin:

[Tob]

Jesus Christ, was there some sort of huge sale at the Walgreen's pharmacy over the weekend? Now we have standin talking to Blaze (who along with Oolith all happen to be the same person) with the new guy doing play by play. Swell, yet none of it is entertaining, let alone decipherable. Enough, get back onto the topic of Perry, or this one is getting closed up as well.

Chef, moderating skill from you is, with truth, admirable. Your feel with humor is "improving" but misleading. Suggesting that Blaze is "standin" could be "off" - is that correct? Not "all" - there have been quite a few beings "who" have been, with truth, "spamming" with repetition - "moderator" included. Craig, how long have you been a Van Halen "fan" - truth?

[Tob]

Viruses, quake-pulses, pulse-weather formation, snipers, fires-setting - setting fires is one of "U.S." force's "scare tactics." Such group knows We, The People, know. California, with Texas, before, experienced such "hit" from "U.S." force, "killing" beings - dates may be located with internet-research.

[PETE'S BROTHER]

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/blog/dr_saturday/post/Someone-spotted-a-UFO-during-the-Notre-Dame-weat?urn=ncaaf-wp5993

fuck, tobot knew all along......

[FORD]

Definitely appears to be some sort of object flying there alright, but it's hard to tell what it is, when it's just some asshole taking cellphone video of his goddamn TV screen. Hard to believe that no actual video of this incident has surfaced.

Why does this chick say "this is the time of year" to look for UFO's?

Is there some sort of "off season rates" for intergalactic travel after Labor Day or something? :headlights:

[PETE'S BROTHER]

they show up at harvest time to get good fresh vegetables

[Tob]

"Pet" and FORD - "obey" ..for, with truth, you must obey, obey conscience.

[FORD]

Rick Perry Needs to ‘Tone Down’ His Rhetoric, Says Kim Jong-Il
‘He Scares Me,’ North Korean Dictator Says

PYONGYANG (The Borowitz Report) – Gov. Rick Perry’s performance in this week’s Republican debate, in which he called Social Security a Ponzi scheme and took pride in executing an innocent man, “made him seem like a totally unhinged lunatic,” said North Korean President Kim Jong-Il today.

The reclusive Kim, who rarely speaks out on U.S. politics, said he was breaking his silence in this case because “quite frankly, he scares me.”

The North Korean dictator said that Gov. Perry would have to “tone down” his rhetoric considerably if he were to become a head of state.

“When you’re President of a country, you can’t go around spouting the first crazy thing that comes into your head,” Mr. Kim said. “That man I saw onstage gave me the willies, and I don’t think I’m alone on this.”

While the North Korean dictator said there was still a chance that Mr. Perry might “dial it back a little,” watching the Texas Governor at Wednesday night’s debate left him “shaken.”

“I’ll tell you this,” Kim said, “I would not want a person like that to have access to nuclear weapons.”

Elsewhere, some Republican lawmakers said they were unable to hear President Obama’s jobs speech due to fingers stuck in their ears.

[jhale667]

Kim Jong-Il is like "This dude is nuttier than I am - BE AFRAID, America!" :lmao:

[kwame k]

Rick Perry Needs to ‘Tone Down’ His Rhetoric, Says Kim Jong-Il
‘He Scares Me,’ North Korean Dictator Says

PYONGYANG (The Borowitz Report) – Gov. Rick Perry’s performance in this week’s Republican debate, in which he called Social Security a Ponzi scheme and took pride in executing an innocent man, “made him seem like a totally unhinged lunatic,” said North Korean President Kim Jong-Il today.

The reclusive Kim, who rarely speaks out on U.S. politics, said he was breaking his silence in this case because “quite frankly, he scares me.”

The North Korean dictator said that Gov. Perry would have to “tone down” his rhetoric considerably if he were to become a head of state.

“When you’re President of a country, you can’t go around spouting the first crazy thing that comes into your head,” Mr. Kim said. “That man I saw onstage gave me the willies, and I don’t think I’m alone on this.”

While the North Korean dictator said there was still a chance that Mr. Perry might “dial it back a little,” watching the Texas Governor at Wednesday night’s debate left him “shaken.”

“I’ll tell you this,” Kim said, “I would not want a person like that to have access to nuclear weapons.”

Elsewhere, some Republican lawmakers said they were unable to hear President Obama’s jobs speech due to fingers stuck in their ears.

:lmao:

[hambon4lif]

It's like you can already predict what the Teabaggers reaction to this news is going to be.....

"We shood all vote fer Perry cuz he scares thu Chinese guy"

[Little Texan]

http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/default/files/styles/image_full_width/hash/ae/b8/aeb80b6e7e25b35d6738ffe16afa2d85.jpg

[Tob]

O.K., Ford, I, with truth, was laughing..

I was thinking of how many different things have been occurring from "U.S." force.. we have fires being "set" (1400 homes said "lost" by news media), that may be "U.S." media "scare tactic" - it's suggesting such, if untrue.. if true, "U.S." force is "raging" - one other "term" from themselves. The land, Texas, is being "attacked" by such group, again. Multiple "depression" expression or their "hurricane" formation called pulse-weather "has been" sent, 3 or 4..

Looks like "U.S." force is having it's "fit" - going "ape-shit" - knowing We, The People, know what is occurring from themselves. They can't take it. There is "flooding" reported, "shooting" reported. It shows "U.S." force is "trying" to get minds from thinking or questioning what occurred with two "World Trade Center" towers almost 10 "years" ago - it "wants" our "ATTENTION" without presenting itself with standing, truth, "admission" with "humility" expressed, real America.

[Little Texan]

[Seshmeister]

Off topic but it's funny that you can do the same thing with hymns without even having to overdub, just add your own subtitles... :)

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[hambon4lif]

ENGLISH MOTHERFUCKER, DO YOU SPEAK IT?!?!!

[jhale667]

Anybody see that bit with pRick's wife claiming people are "hungry for minimum wage jobs"...what a crock of shit. Since when can anyone support themselves, much less a family, on a fucking minimum wage job?


Anita Perry Defends Her Husband’s Job Creation Record: ‘People Are Hungry For’ Minimum Wage Jobs
http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2011/09/28/330865/anita-perry-defends-her-husbands-job-creation-record-people-are-hungry-for-minimum-wage-jobs/?fb_comment_id=fbc_10150284615941734_18436916_1015 0284806061734#f24a5669696bafc

Anita Perry, the wife of presidential contender and Texas Gov. Rick Perry (R), took to the campaign trail in Iowa today to defend her husband against a growing wave of criticism and scrutiny from the right. In between brushing away criticism of her husband’s debate performance and positions on immigration and the HPV vaccine, she made a surprising admission.

While parroting her husband’s jobs claims, she also conceded that not all the jobs Texas has created during her husband’s tenure are high-paying jobs — in fact, Texas has the highest percentage of minimum wage jobs in the country. But Perry says that’s the sort of job people are “hungry for”:

PERRY: He knows how to create jobs…We have 1,500 people moving to Texas every day to find a job. I’m not going to tell you they’re all high-paying jobs, but they’re a job, even if they’re a minimum wage job. And that’s what people are hungry for.
Anita Perry’s claim that people are “hungry” for minimum wage job ignores the obvious truth that families are barely scraping by on those jobs and would much rather prefer higher wages.

As ThinkProgress has reported, the so-called “Texas miracle” of job creation Gov. Perry touts as a key reason to elect him is nothing but smoke and mirrors, built on a boom in government jobs, population growth and low wage jobs. Texas has by far the largest number of employees working at or below the federal minimum wage compared to any state.

In fact, Texas’ jobs numbers are moving in exactly the wrong direction. The unemployment rate in Texas has been steadily increasing throughout the recession, and went from 7.7 to 8.2 percent while the state was supposedly creating 40 percent of all the new jobs in the U.S. When you account for labor force growth, Texas ranks dead last in total job creation. Despite Perry’s claims that government can’t create jobs, he’s actually depended disproportionately on government jobs — between 2007 and 2010, 47 percent of government jobs were created in Texas.

As for Anita Perry, the Austin-American Statesman reports that she depends mostly on her husband’s backers for her $60,000-a-year salary. Her salary from the nonprofit where she works “comes indirectly from Gov. Rick Perry’s political donors, state contractors and companies that do business with the state or have issues before the Legislature.” In fact, contributing to Anita Perry’s nonprofit has become yet another legal way those looking to curry favor with Perry’s administration “pay to play.”

Yeah, Anita....if they're only making minimum wage, they probably ARE hungry... :fufu:

[LoungeMachine]

Kind of like when Babs Bush said the people made homeless by Katrina who were staying in shelters in Texas were actually quite lucky, and it worked out so well for them because sleeping on a cot in a football stadium was better than they were used to back home

:gulp:

[jhale667]

Gotta love the Repuke Stepford wives warped views of reality...

[FORD]

Cain: Perry insensitive over name of hunting camp


WASHINGTON (AP) — Republican presidential candidate Herman Cain on Sunday criticized rival Rick Perry as being insensitive for not acting sooner in removing the racially offensive name from a rock outside the Texas hunting camp his family once leased.

Perry's campaign countered that Perry's father painted over the rock to cover the name, ******head, soon after he began leasing the site in the early 1980s. While the Texas governor later joined the lease, neither he nor his family ever controlled, owned or managed the property, the campaign said in a statement.

The Washington Post reported Sunday that the origins of the name were unclear and there was no definitive account for when and how the name first appeared on a large, flat rock at the gated entrance to the Throckmorton County property. In recent photos the word is mostly obscured by white paint, the Post reported.

Cain, the only black Republican in the presidential race, accused Perry of insensitivity when asked about the report on Sunday news programs.

"Since Gov. Perry has been going there for years to hunt, I think that it shows a lack of sensitivity for a long time of not taking that word off of that rock and renaming the place," he told ABC's "This Week."

"Yes, it was painted over," he said. "But how long ago was it painted over? So I'm still saying that it is a sign of insensitivity."

Perry told the Post that the word on the rock is an "offensive name that has no place in the modern world."

"My mother and father went to the lease and painted the rock in either 1983 or 1984," Perry told the newspaper in a written response to questions. "This occurred after I paid a visit to the property with a friend and saw the rock with the offensive word. After my visit I called my folks and mentioned it to them, and they painted it over during their next visit."

Perry added: "Ever since, any time I ever saw the rock it was painted over."

The Post reported that people interviewed for its story remember seeing the rock with the name at various points during the 1980s and 1990s, the period in which the Perrys had the hunting lease and Perry brought friends to the site. Some of those interviewed said they worried that it could become a political liability for Perry.

Ray Sullivan, communications director for the Perry campaign, said the governor's father, Ray Perry, leased the hunting rights in the early 1980s and that Rick Perry was on the lease from 1997 to 2007. Rick Perry has not visited the property since December 2006, Sullivan said.

"Mr. Cain is wrong about the Perry family's quick action to eliminate the word on the rock, but is right the word written by others long ago is insensitive and offensive. That is why the Perrys took quick action to cover and obscure it," Sullivan said.


Uh huh.... sure they did. Probably the day that pRick decided to run for office.........

[hambon4lif]

[jacksmar]

Cain: Perry insensitive over name of hunting camp


WASHINGTON (AP) — Republican presidential candidate Herman Cain on Sunday criticized rival Rick Perry as being insensitive for not acting sooner in removing the racially offensive name from a rock outside the Texas hunting camp his family once leased.

Perry's campaign countered that Perry's father painted over the rock to cover the name, ******head, soon after he began leasing the site in the early 1980s. While the Texas governor later joined the lease, neither he nor his family ever controlled, owned or managed the property, the campaign said in a statement.

The Washington Post reported Sunday that the origins of the name were unclear and there was no definitive account for when and how the name first appeared on a large, flat rock at the gated entrance to the Throckmorton County property. In recent photos the word is mostly obscured by white paint, the Post reported.

Cain, the only black Republican in the presidential race, accused Perry of insensitivity when asked about the report on Sunday news programs.

"Since Gov. Perry has been going there for years to hunt, I think that it shows a lack of sensitivity for a long time of not taking that word off of that rock and renaming the place," he told ABC's "This Week."

"Yes, it was painted over," he said. "But how long ago was it painted over? So I'm still saying that it is a sign of insensitivity."

Perry told the Post that the word on the rock is an "offensive name that has no place in the modern world."

"My mother and father went to the lease and painted the rock in either 1983 or 1984," Perry told the newspaper in a written response to questions. "This occurred after I paid a visit to the property with a friend and saw the rock with the offensive word. After my visit I called my folks and mentioned it to them, and they painted it over during their next visit."

Perry added: "Ever since, any time I ever saw the rock it was painted over."

The Post reported that people interviewed for its story remember seeing the rock with the name at various points during the 1980s and 1990s, the period in which the Perrys had the hunting lease and Perry brought friends to the site. Some of those interviewed said they worried that it could become a political liability for Perry.

Ray Sullivan, communications director for the Perry campaign, said the governor's father, Ray Perry, leased the hunting rights in the early 1980s and that Rick Perry was on the lease from 1997 to 2007. Rick Perry has not visited the property since December 2006, Sullivan said.

"Mr. Cain is wrong about the Perry family's quick action to eliminate the word on the rock, but is right the word written by others long ago is insensitive and offensive. That is why the Perrys took quick action to cover and obscure it," Sullivan said.


Uh huh.... sure they did. Probably the day that pRick decided to run for office.........

Whatever. Only a misinformed tard like yourself wouldn't remember Perry was Democrat back then. Just like all institutionally racist DemoKKKrats you can't help yourself.

[FORD]

Uh oh... looks like Jerksmear ran out of Lithium again.

Light my candles in a daze, 'cause I've found God.......


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCHAKzuJDJ0

[jhale667]

Only a "misinformed 'tard" would attempt to factor pRick's former political affiliation into that (ongoing, not 'former') equation, but consider the 'tard that's the source...:fufu:


Funny this comes to light, and what does the GOP do? Has Brietbart try to resurrect some "Obama talked to a Black Panther" shit from '07, and then attacks Herman Cain for CORRECTLY stating Perry shows a "lack of sensitivity"....there's some irony: pRick has a place with a name based on a racial epithet, and yet CAIN gets accused of "playing the race card"....pathetic.

[FORD]

Actually, I'd like to see Cain beat the shit out of Breitbart (or pRick) on live TV. Hell, I'd even watch FAUX to see that.

[jacksmar]

http://www.grantruby.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Kurt-Cobain-Death.jpg

The genius doing his best work.
TARD, you and the socialist left pick the most self loathing losers to prop up. Speaks volumes. We'll see if Ray Daniels can get you some of Morrison's bath water.

[jacksmar]

Only a "misinformed 'tard" would attempt to factor pRick's former political affiliation into that (ongoing, not 'former') equation, but consider the 'tard that's the source...:fufu:


Funny this comes to light, and what does the GOP do? Has Brietbart try to resurrect some "Obama talked to a Black Panther" shit from '07, and then attacks Herman Cain for CORRECTLY stating Perry shows a "lack of sensitivity"....there's some irony: pRick has a place with a name based on a racial epithet, and yet CAIN gets accused of "playing the race card"....pathetic.

You can probably getting an audience if you go to the commie lib protest in your city with your shit guitar.
The DemoKKKrat party and institutional racism are part of the platform. You must be a half educated minority to understand anything about this issue which leaves you on the curb with your shit guitar playing and a cup.:finger33:

[jacksmar]

http://www.ledger-enquirer.com/2011/09/24/1750076/columbus-man-charged-with-raping.html

Columbus man charged with raping 'very conservative' Kendrick High student in woods

Kendrick student described as ‘very conservative’

By JIM MUSTIAN

jmustian@ledger-enquirer.com

http://media.ledger-enquirer.com/smedia/2011/09/24/01/05/mlDE2.Em.70.jpg
Columbus police have arrested a local man on charges he forced a 15-year-old girl into the woods and raped her.

Jermain B. Nathan, 18, of Columbus was jailed Thursday on charges of rape, aggravated sodomy, kidnapping and robbery, said police Lt. Ronald Hastings.

[jhale667]

Nice unrelated horseshit post. You're a sad little man....

[jhale667]

I'm a racist who wishes I could play guitar...


Go die in a fie, scumbag.

[chefcraig]

You must be a half educated minority to understand anything about this issue...

Whoah, cool. Essentially, you are saying that anyone with a full education is overqualified to comprehend this baloney. For the first time in my adult life, I'm thankful for the Florida school system.

Teachers rule! :hippie:

[jhale667]

:lmao:

[Nitro Express]

http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/default/files/styles/image_full_width/hash/ae/b8/aeb80b6e7e25b35d6738ffe16afa2d85.jpg

Perry does Dallas and Deep Throat.

[Nitro Express]

Equal opportunity for everyone and special treatment for nobody. It's not a fair world folks and political correctness really doesn't fly too far in reality. People just need to stop bitching, realize life isn't fair, and go to work chasing something productive. Whining and crying while collecting a handout is never going to get you where you really want to be.

[Nitro Express]

The question I have about N*ggerhead Ranch is what exactly did they hunt there? N*ggers? Go capture us a coon and give him a few hours to try and hide and now Cooter release the dogs and we's going to get us a blackie before supper.

[jhale667]

Your hood is showing, Nyquil...

[ThrillsNSpills]

The question I have about N*ggerhead Ranch is what exactly did they hunt there? N*ggers? Go capture us a coon and give him a few hours to try and hide and now Cooter release the dogs and we's going to get us a blackie before supper.

hope you mean people who Nag others.

[Nitro Express]

Your hood is showing, Nyquil...

Give me a fucking break. I make a joke about Perry and right wing racist rednecks and you are spinning it into some sort of racist comment. I rip the guy and you think I'm bad for it. You really need to go up the mountain and get yourself focused Jhale667. If I wore a hood that would be the last thing I would joke about.

[Nitro Express]

hope you mean people who Nag others.

It's the same thing as typing f*ck. It's offensive so you doctor the word. If I was racist I wouldn't doctor the word would I? But of course the whole point about Perry is that word so damn straight it's part of the conversation here. Isn't the whole thing to label Perry as a racist to destroy his political career? Of course in the redneck state of Texas that might just be an asset. YeeHaw!

Honestly. What I posted is no more offensive than what's in Blazing Saddles. It's making a parody of racism or just throwing out what people really are thinking and taking it into the absurd.

What I'm really after is political correctness and the danger of losing free speech in the name of something good. I'm anti-censorship and we are in real danger of losing our freedom of speech in the name of political correctness. It's zapping the life out of everything and has ruined radio programming. Everyone seemed to know the religious right was going to censor everything but now the left is doing the same damn thing in the name of hate speech. With both sides running this game we aren't going to be able to say anything.

So when you complain about the bland music and programming remember what I said. People are so uptight today about saying anything they just say what the status quo wants then to say and in that you lose your individuality.

[hambon4lif]

Isn't the whole thing to label Perry as a racist to destroy his political career?That would be redundant. He's doing a fine job of destroying his own political career without anyones assistance.

[jhale667]

Give me a fucking break. I make a joke about Perry and right wing racist rednecks and you are spinning it into some sort of racist comment. I rip the guy and you think I'm bad for it. You really need to go up the mountain and get yourself focused Jhale667. If I wore a hood that would be the last thing I would joke about.

No spin, you just seemed to be enjoying it too much.
And when I start posting serial rambles like someone else we know then perhaps you can question my "focus", k?

[ThrillsNSpills]

It's the same thing as typing f*ck. It's offensive so you doctor the word. If I was racist I wouldn't doctor the word would I? But of course the whole point about Perry is that word so damn straight it's part of the conversation here. Isn't the whole thing to label Perry as a racist to destroy his political career? Of course in the redneck state of Texas that might just be an asset. YeeHaw!

Honestly. What I posted is no more offensive than what's in Blazing Saddles. It's making a parody of racism or just throwing out what people really are thinking and taking it into the absurd.

What I'm really after is political correctness and the danger of losing free speech in the name of something good. I'm anti-censorship and we are in real danger of losing our freedom of speech in the name of political correctness. It's zapping the life out of everything and has ruined radio programming. Everyone seemed to know the religious right was going to censor everything but now the left is doing the same damn thing in the name of hate speech. With both sides running this game we aren't going to be able to say anything.

So when you complain about the bland music and programming remember what I said. People are so uptight today about saying anything they just say what the status quo wants then to say and in that you lose your individuality.

I wasn't offended. I just hate the sound of nagging. Shooting may be extreme. High quality duct tape may keep you out of jail.
I agree with what you're saying though.

[Nitro Express]

No spin, you just seemed to be enjoying it too much.
And when I start posting serial rambles like someone else we know then perhaps you can question my "focus", k?

What's not to enjoy? I was having a good blast at Perry and to be honest why in the hell would you name a piece of property N*ggerhead and put it on a rock? It's crazy so let's run and and have some fun with it.

Around here people name their ranches but it's things like The Four Diamond Ranch, Star Valley Ranch, Big D Ranch. Usually the names reflect the name of the owner, the scenery, the cattle brand. Around here ranch names actually mean something so when someone names their ranch N*ggerhead man, how absurd is that? What is that about? Oh let's take a guess. What goes on in a ranch named like that.

You have to admit, it's pretty spooky to say the least.

Did the Bush family participate in any satanic rituals on the property with Perry? Could it be Skull and Bones or Bohemian Grove Texas style?

[Nitro Express]

I wasn't offended. I just hate the sound of nagging. Shooting may be extreme. High quality duct tape may keep you out of jail.
I agree with what you're saying though.

It's a HUNTING ranch. You shoot what you are hunting on a hunting ranch. I have yet to see a hunter use high quality duct tape. Basically the question is does the name of the ranch imply what they are hunting there? That's the joke or the crazy illusion I was trying to paint.

As far as racism goes, it's as dead as it's going to realistically get. Anyone can be elected president. If a Mormon wins this next election anyone can be president. They were making a fuss in the early 60's about a Catholic being president and Eddie Murphy was joking in the 1980's about a black president having to dodge the bullets or getting elected because too many people got drunk before voting.

So it's no longer a race, sex, religion thing. We have a breakfast burrito, tai food for lunch, and Italian food for dinner.

Really the biggest challenges today are laziness and a falling apart family situation. People are just fucking lazy now to the point they want others to take care of them and think for them. People who want to be in control say sure I will do that for you and the next thing you know you have lost some of your freedoms. People need to learn to take care of themselves and stop this whole blame game the politicians fuel for their own gain. What keeps racism alive more than anything is it's used for political gain.

So let's all say fuck you to the politicians and realize the best revenge is living well. Let's all try to live better than those we hate. Be the rich black man surrounded by multiple beautiful pieces of ass by the pool thinking about the KKK, Aryan Redneck shooting himself because his trailer just got foreclosed on. Now that's a good fuck you story. Fuck em with your success!

[jhale667]

What's not to enjoy? I was having a good blast at Perry and to be honest why in the hell would you name a piece of property N*ggerhead and put it on a rock? It's crazy so let's run and and have some fun with it.

Around here people name their ranches but it's things like The Four Diamond Ranch, Star Valley Ranch, Big D Ranch. Usually the names reflect the name of the owner, the scenery, the cattle brand. Around here ranch names actually mean something so when someone names their ranch N*ggerhead man, how absurd is that? What is that about? Oh let's take a guess. What goes on in a ranch named like that.

You have to admit, it's pretty spooky to say the least.

Did the Bush family participate in any satanic rituals on the property with Perry? Could it be Skull and Bones or Bohemian Grove Texas style?

Guess I can kinda see where you're coming from...in Andy Borowitz's Twitter feed yesterday, he mentioned pRick Perry "couldn't be reached for comment at his summer home, known as 'Jewtrap'"....:rolleyes:

[Nitro Express]

Guess I can kinda see where you're coming from...in Andy Borowitz's Twitter feed yesterday, he mentioned pRick Perry "couldn't be reached for comment at his summer home, known as 'Jewtrap'"....:rolleyes:

LOL! Just watch those old Dean Martin roasts. You had people making fun of the stereotypes. The Italian mob connection, Don Rickles Jewish greed, Sammy Davis Jr. never getting a fair shake because he was black. They really had fun with the stereotypes but then it also made people think. I think that did more to change things than some intellectual giving a lecture.

I mean you can go over the line but we need to start having some fun again. Laugh about life's absurdities. I see us advancing but throwing away the good stuff at the same time.

Why so many black people have so many problems is because they have let others take care of them. There was always someone saying I will take care of you but in reality they only take care of themselves. Every time I saw black people saying Obama is going to get us some free money I wanted to puke. The reality is the road is open for everyone now. You might even get some extra help if you are a certain minority. A work ethic and education will make you successful in this country now no matter what color your skin is. The political correctness and blame game will just keep you down and enrich the politicians who use it for their own gain. That's why we need to turn down the handouts and say I will take care of myself thank you.

[jhale667]

Dean Martin roast humor aside...


Oh yeah, pRick's toast...racist sympathizing bitch... I reeeeeeally wanna see him try to debate this shit with Obama. :wow2:

Perry once defended Confederate symbols

http://news.yahoo.com/perry-once-defended-confederate-symbols-070535630.html

AUSTIN, Texas (AP) — Eleven years ago, when the NAACP stepped up a campaign to remove the Confederate battle flag from statehouses and other government buildings across the South, it found an opponent in Rick Perry.

Texas had a pair of bronze plaques with symbols of the Confederacy displayed in its state Supreme Court building. Perry, then lieutenant governor, said they should stay put, arguing that Texans "should never forget our history."

It's a position Perry has taken consistently when the legacy of the Civil War has been raised, as have officials in many of the other former Confederate states. But while defense of Confederate symbols and Southern institutions can still be good politics below the Mason-Dixon line, the subject can appear in a different light when officials seek national office.

For Perry, now Texas governor for 11 years and in the top tier of Republican presidential candidates, a racial issue is already dogging him.

He took criticism over the weekend for a rock outside the Texas hunting camp his family once leased that had the name N****head painted on it. Perry's campaign says the governor's father painted over the rock to cover the name soon after he began leasing the site in the early 1980s and says the Perry family never controlled, owned or managed the property. But rival Herman Cain, the only black Republican in the race, says the rock symbolizes Perry's insensitivity to race.

A related issue may rise this fall when Texas decides whether to allow specialty license plates featuring the Confederate flag. The plates have been requested by the Sons of Confederate Veterans, a nonprofit organization Perry has supported over the years. A state board he appointed will decide.

The NAACP says its initiative against "glorification" of slave-state symbols remains ongoing. "The romanticism around the Old South," said Hilary Shelton, director of the NAACP's Washington Bureau. "It's a view of history that ignores how racism became a tool to maintain a system of supremacy and dominance."

Perry campaign spokesman Mark Miner did not return messages seeking comment on the matter. But Granvel Block, the Texas Division commander of the Sons of Confederate Veterans, said the organization appreciated Perry's position on such issues.

"I would give him high praise for saying it," Block said. "Honoring your ancestors, it's something that the Bible teaches."

The Confederate battle flag has been chief target for the NAACP. The organization called for a boycott of South Carolina in 2000 for flying the banner over its statehouse. The state moved the flag to a capitol memorial. In 2003, Georgia replaced its state flag, which included the Confederate battle standard, with one that combined other elements from previous state flags. Other institutions have scaled back their displays of Confederate heritage. The University of Mississippi retired Colonel Rebel as its on-field mascot.

In January 2000 the NAACP asked Texas to remove the Confederate battle flag from plaques in the entryway of a building housing the state Supreme Court and Court of Appeals, saying it undermined the notion of judicial equality. One of the 11-inch by 20-inch bronze plaques featured the seal of the Confederacy and the other the image of the battle flag and quotations from Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee.

Perry wrote to the Sons of Confederate Veterans in March 2000 that, "although this is an emotional issue, I want you to know that I oppose efforts to remove Confederate monuments, plaques and memorials from public property."

"I also believe that communities should decide whether statues or other memorials are appropriate for their community," Perry wrote in the letter, one of several obtained by The Associated Press under a public information request. "I believe that Texans should remember the past and learn from it."

He added, "We should never forget our history, but dwelling on the 19th century takes needed attention away from our future in the 21st century."

Perry elaborated publically on the issue, saying, "I think you've got a slippery slope when you start saying we're going to start taking down every plaque or monument."

He wasn't the only prominent Texan defending the plaques. Then-Gov. George W. Bush, himself running for president, initially said they should remain but then reversed himself and authorized the state's General Services Commission to replace the plaques with new ones saying equal justice is available to all Texans "regardless of race, creed or color."

The floor of the Texas Capitol's rotunda still bears the seal of the Confederacy, and statues on the grounds memorialize Lee and Confederate soldiers. But civil rights organizations consider the battle flag the most objectionable symbol.

Public officials in Texas, as well as in the other Southern states, are called upon periodically to honor Confederate causes because related organizations observe its anniversaries. Block said the Sons of Confederate Veterans was founded in 1896 and has 2,500 members statewide. Also active is the Texas Division of the United Daughters of the Confederacy.

In a 2005 letter, Perry welcomed attendees of a benefit hosted by the Sons of Confederate Veterans. "By learning about the past," he wrote, "we honor our ancestors' memories and contributions, and appreciate the people and events that preceded the present." Perry's great-great-grandfather David H. Hamilton fought at Gettysburg with the First Texas Infantry.

Two years later, Perry issued a "Message from the Governor" honoring Lawrence Sullivan "Sul" Ross on what would have been his 169th birthday. He noted Ross' service as a Confederate brigadier general, two-time Texas governor and president of what became Texas A&M University, calling him "one of the greats on whose shoulders our modern day Texas rests." The Sons of Confederate Veterans maintains a college scholarship fund in Ross' honor — despite accusations that Ross was behind the murder of black prisoners of war in Mississippi.

Today, Block's organization wants to use the Confederate flag license plate to raise money to pay for markers on Confederate soldiers' graves. "I know that to some people it's an issue," he said. "But our purpose is to honor our ancestors and to educate the public on the true cause of the war."

The state Department of Motor Vehicles board tied 4-4 in an April vote because one of its members, Ramsay Gillman of Houston, was absent. Gillman then died and Perry chose a new appointee, Raymond Palacios Jr. of El Paso.

Palacios declined to comment on the issue. Members won't vote on the plate until at least Nov. 9. A similar request from the Sons of Confederate Veterans was denied two years ago, but the criteria have been expanded, opening the door for approval this time. Texas has approved 276 specialty plates.

Perry hasn't commented. "This is a matter before the board," said Lucy Nashed, a governor's office spokeswoman.

Matt Glazer, executive director of Progress, Texas, a left-leaning advocacy group, said of Block's organization: "If they want to put a sticker on their car, or fly the Confederate flag at their home or business, that's up to them. But the state itself should not associate itself with this racist relic."


Yeah, "don't forget" your history...but at the same time, don't go making symbols and glorifying the fact that you were on the WRONG SIDE OF IT and expect not to get called out as a doucebag. Those ancestors he refers to weren't doing anything honorable.

[Nitro Express]

Forget Obama, Perry has to deal with Herman Cain first and from the looks of the polls Mr. Cain seems quite popular with the Republicans. Perry is toast. Nix the racism bit and he still is hopelessly unqualified to be president. His grades in school will lash him and the biggest bomb ready to drop on him is his increasing the size of government in his state and spending like an Aryan in a Pawn shop littered with nazi collectables. LOL!

[Guitar Shark]

I think the fact that Bush Jr. was elected twice pretty much decides the question of how important school grades and intellect are to the majority of American voters.

[hambon4lif]

Forget Obama, Perry has to deal with Herman Cain first and from the looks of the polls Mr. Cain seems quite popular with the Republicans.Right now he is, but once they start pulling all of the skeletons out of his closet, they won't be able to sell him either.

Besides, at this point in our society, the race card has been completely exhausted. There's no way anyone can get any more mileage out of it than they already have.
To see someone attempting to build an entire political platform on it is beyond hysterical.

[jhale667]

Forget Obama, Perry has to deal with Herman Cain first and from the looks of the polls Mr. Cain seems quite popular with the Republicans.

Actually - the Repukes turned on Cain as soon as he commented on the situation. He said it "showed insensitivity" on Perry's part (pretty benign statement if you think about what he COULD have said), and they immediately accused CAIN of "playing the race card" (!!) ... can't have it both ways there, Teahadists... :lmao:

[FORD]

I think the fact that Bush Jr. was elected twice pretty much decides the question of how important school grades and intellect are to the majority of American voters.

If he had actually been elected either time, I might agree with that. Ironically, it was 5 well educated guys with law degrees who appointed Chimpy as pResident. :doh:

[kwame k]

What's sad is that most people in the Republican party are not happy with the choices so far........

They practically begged Chris Christie to run and he just announced he's not.

Perry doesn't have a hope in hell of winning. Mitt will get destroyed by Obama in the debates.

WTF happened to the Republican party? It's nothing but a freak show.

[Seshmeister]

Perry doesn't have a hope in hell of winning. Mitt will get destroyed by Obama in the debates.


Do the debates really matter a fuck?

I remember watching the Bush Kerry debates, if it went on them then Kerry would have walked the election.

Almost 60 million people voted McCain with a heart condition after the Palin Biden debate.

[FORD]

Some of these idiots in the "red states" actually believe that the President of the United States should be as dumb as they are. That's why they latch on to morons like Chimp, Palin, Bachmann and Perry. Or even Reagan, for that matter, who probably wasn't an actual imbecile, but became the equivalent of one for a good chunk of his term, due to medical reasons.

[Jagermeister]

I would like to take this time to remind all of you how fucking lost and cluless you are. All 25 of you minus Chef and PB. The rest of you n****** can fuck off.