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Jagermeister
09-02-2011, 02:04 PM
Democrats say that government can create jobs through borrowing, printing money and spending. They warn that trimming bureaucrats from payrolls will be an economic disaster. Republicans argue that the bigger the government is, the smaller the private sector. The Tea Party prescription: shrink government, lower taxes, decrease regulation, and the economy will rebound through private enterprise.

"Facts are hard to argue with," Governor Walker of Wisconsin declared in a Heritage interview earlier this month. In the three years before his election, the Democratic State legislature and Democratic governor presided over the loss of 150,000 jobs. In Walker's first six months in office, Wisconsin added a net of 39,000 jobs, including 14,000 in manufacturing. The remainder were in agriculture, tourism, biotech and medical technology.

In June, Walker earned boasting rights that half of the new jobs in the entire country -- a shocking and paltry 19,000 -- were created in his state. In the same month, Democrat Illinois next door lost 7,000 jobs. (For more on Illinois jobs, see this - ed.)

Not only did Wisconsin add private sector jobs, they trimmed government jobs by 3,000. Instead of leading to disaster, 12,500 private jobs were added, leading to the one month total of 9,500 net new jobs.

What changed for Wisconsin? Republican policies made the dramatic difference. In his first six months, Governor Walker and his Republican legislature passed tort reform and regulatory reform to create a legal system that fosters economic growth instead of suffocating it. They balanced the budget and cut taxes, including freezing property taxes. To encourage business expansion, they passed a manufacturing tax credit and capital gains tax credit.

The cuts were not at the expense of the health and senior services. The budget continues BadgerCare, Medical Assistance, and SeniorCare, and allocates an additional $1.2 billion into the state's Medicaid program. All new revenue in the next two years will go to the Department of Health Services.

The budget did cut $800 million in aid to local school districts. However, the Republicans freed school districts of onerous union requirements that expensive health insurance must be purchased through the union. School districts quickly turned to the competitive private insurance market and have saved as much as $700,000 a year.

Shrinking government is impossible without taking on the public sector unions. Walker gained national media coverage with his challenge to the public union scam: non-voluntary union dues from government workers are paid into Democrat coffers to elect officials that negotiate give-away contracts at a ruinous cost to the taxpayers. Government salaries and benefits are 60% of the taxpayer burden. Teacher benefit to salary ratio was running three times higher than the private sector. In Milwaukee, $100,000 teacher compensation packages were bankrupting the school system, leading to layoffs of hundreds of teachers, and explosion in class size to an estimated 34 students. Reforming collective bargaining was essential to protect taxpayers and Wisconsin's schoolchildren.

Wisconsin Republicans won a historic victory over this extortion racket of public sector unions. We all remember the famous February demonstrations and the flight of Democrat legislators. Despite the media circus, the Republicans passed a law that requires union members to contribute 12.6 percent toward health insurance premiums and 5.8 percent of their salaries toward their pensions. They had been paying nothing. Nationwide, in the private sector, the average contribution is 20% by employees for their health insurance and 8% towards their pension.

John McCormack, writing for The Weekly Standard, describes the beneficial effects of this single Republican reform. Case in point, the Brown Deer school district had been negotiating unsuccessfully with the local union to cope with a $1 million budget shortfall.

"We laid off 27 [teachers] as a precautionary measure," Koczela told Walker. "They were crying. Some of these people are my friends."

Republican reforms allowed the school district to save $600,000 by teachers paying 5.8% towards their pensions. Changes such as a $10 doctor's visit co-pay (up from nothing) ​saved $200,000. Increasing the workload from five classes to six saved another $200,000. The budget was balanced. None of the changes affected the children. 27 teachers' jobs were saved.

The Pittsfield school district made up their shortfall and reduced property taxes by 9 percent. The Kaukauna school district turned a $400,000 deficit into a $1.5 million surplus. They plan to decrease class size, offer Chinese and Arabic, and offer more Advanced Placement classes. Children and taxpayers were the winners, and no teachers were laid off. The limitation on public sector unions' collective bargaining was the key to fiscal responsibility.

While Walker was taking on the teacher's unions, in neighbouring Democrat Illinois, the top school administrators get to retire at age 56 with a lifetime pension worth almost $9,000,000 each. Neil C. Codell of the Niles High School District (a suburb of Chicago) gets a salary of $885,327 and his pension is valued at $26,661,604. While Republicans were balancing the Wisconsin budget, Illinois has run up a $13,000,000,000 (yes that's billions) deficit. While Republican Wisconsin added jobs, the Illinois unemployment rate has been rising for three months, and stands at 9.5%. 33% of blacks age 20-24 have no jobs.

Obama's prescription, the famous stimulus, was wasted in Democrat-run Wisconsin by using it to pay the bloated public sector benefits for a single year. 80% of the $701 million federal stimulus funds Wisconsin received in 2009 went to public union workers. The cost to the taxpayer was $82,000 per job. Wisconsin lost 118,000 jobs despite the Democrat spending. By July of 2011, the state had received another billion dollars, and the White House's stimulus tracking website was boasting less than 5,000 workers were employed as a result. That's costing taxpayers $2 million per job. How could it be this bad? Because government spending doesn't grow an economy. Ozaukee County's transit service used $600,000 dollars to buy nine new shared ride taxis, five minibuses and 22 mobile GPS systems. Jobs created: zero. The City of Racine got $800,000 in stimulus money and used it to put in energy efficient LED streetlights, hiring an unemployed electrician to install them. The $800,000 amounted to one temporary job. The University of Wisconsin received 2 million dollars and created 3.7 jobs, at more than half a million dollar per job. No wonder our country is going broke.

How did Illinois do with the Democratic prescription for government stimulus as the best and only way to create jobs? A mere $170 million was allocated to highway construction, the most in the country and double the next state, Iowa. Three quarters of the stimulus, $2.9 billion, was used to pay Medicare reimbursements that the state had not been able to pay for years, leading to no new jobs. The state claimed the creation of 15,000 jobs, the most in the nation. Yet in the two months of February- March 2009, Illinois lost 40,000 jobs. In the twelve months of the 2009 tax year, they lost 230,000 jobs, a loss of 11%. Despite the self-congratulation by Democrats on their stimulus policy, Illinois ranks 48th in the nation in job growth. The Democrats are hard put to point to any growth in the private sector. In Chicago, the list of funded projects reads like philanthropy, not economic growth:

•$270,000 for the study of 'intergalactic gas' at the University of Chicago. No jobs were created
•$462,000 to study sharks at the University of Chicago. No new jobs
•$85,000 study on how parents contribute to their children's obesity, Northwestern University. No jobs
•$500,000 to a private company for work on 'finger-tapping technology' for use on cell phones
•$611,000 to the University of Illinois to study if stress makes people drink more
Democrat Illinois has a $13 billion deficit and passed a 66% state income tax increase in January. People are suffering, education is suffering, the economic situation appears hopeless.

Wisconsin's nonpartisan Legislative Fiscal Bureau estimates Republican Wisconsin will finish the two-year budget with a $300 million surplus. They lowered classroom size and funded health care, created jobs and cut taxes. Their economy is on an upswing.

It's not rocket science. Ordinary Republican ideas for job growth work in the real world. America has enormous economic muscle. We just need to get the 800 pound government gorilla off our back.

FORD
09-02-2011, 02:24 PM
More Heritage Foundation spam?

Geezus, why don't you just cut out the middleman and post directly from the KKK?

Jagermeister
09-02-2011, 02:26 PM
More Heritage Foundation spam?

Geezus, why don't you just cut out the middleman and post directly from the KKK?

:biggrin:

FORD
09-02-2011, 02:26 PM
BTW, Republican "ideas" - a.k.a. tax "cuts" for tax dodging billionaires- have not created a single job in the last 10 years. Unless you count the jobs in India and China.

Jagermeister
09-02-2011, 02:28 PM
http://www.americanthinker.com/static/about_us.html

Just so everyone knows the TRUTH this article came form the the above link. As far as I can tell no one on the staff has any ties to the KKK.

Matt White
09-02-2011, 03:50 PM
WALKER is playing the old "race to the bottom game".....

No Corporate income tax & no regulation.......

WELCOME TO THE NEW MISSISSIPPI.............

A beggard State............

& people say "we're broke", yet "we need to have Government run like a business". Which business doesn't charge its most lucrative customers and survives???

WALKER is a facist clown.........

Just what America needs...more minimum wage jobs..."EVERYBODY OVER TO McDONALDS...QUICK!!!"

binnie
09-02-2011, 03:53 PM
The best way to create jobs is through increasing trade. With the dollar being so weak at the moment, that really should be too difficult (as other countries will be able to buy more for their money). More trade = more demand in the economy = more jobs.

That is what should be the focus. It's the same in UK, I'd argue.

PETE'S BROTHER
09-02-2011, 04:04 PM
The best way to create jobs is through increasing trade. With the dollar being so weak at the moment, that really should be too difficult (as other countries will be able to buy more for their money). More trade = more demand in the economy = more jobs.

That is what should be the focus. It's the same in UK, I'd argue.

what are we gonna trade?

FORD
09-02-2011, 04:43 PM
Exactly. You have to make stuff in the US before you can trade it. :(

PETE'S BROTHER
09-02-2011, 04:48 PM
other than natural resources, what products are other countries yearning for from us?

jhale667
09-02-2011, 05:11 PM
The Republicans have a proven record of epic FAILS over the past 30 years...and they currently have ZERO in the way of "good" ideas. Their REAL leader, Mush Limpdick, says we need to "roll back the last 60 years of democratic achievements" which one would logically imagine includes the Civil Rights Act, Roe vs. Wade and all other women's rights...they're insane.

Yes, let's tax corporations less, the middle class more, get rid of the EPA and all environmental regulations so corporations can POLLUTE MORE...gays are evil, blacks were better off as slaves...and oh yeah, let's fuck up the Everglades by drilling so we can get to that "reserve" of oil that will last the US all of TWO DAYS...and we need shove Christianity down everyone's throats, and anything else to accelerate the "rapture" so Jeebus will come back sooner...fucktards. :fufu:

binnie
09-02-2011, 05:12 PM
what are we gonna trade?

Weapons.

Blaze
09-03-2011, 02:12 AM
what are we gonna trade?
Hemp?
Oh wait that makes a plantation life... Oops already been screwed up.

Nitro Express
09-03-2011, 03:19 AM
To be honest, both parties have thrown the average American under the bus and focused on the big corporate money. The Democratic party did some good in the past but it now seems to sell corporate favoritism as a social program. Probably the last decent Republican was Eisenhower. He warned us of the military contractors becoming too powerful and foreign policy being driven more by profit than protecting the citizens. I think Kennedy was the last good president the country ever had.

BITEYOASS
09-03-2011, 09:46 AM
Republican ideas lead to shitty wages.

ThrillsNSpills
09-03-2011, 12:03 PM
Pray the Republican away.

ThrillsNSpills
09-03-2011, 12:04 PM
it's an unnatural state, you know. :)

Nickdfresh
09-03-2011, 06:14 PM
Republicans say that government can create jobs through borrowing, printing money and spending blah blah cliche cliche not substantiated by factual analysis cliche cliche.....

Really with this mullet head site mirror crap?

Nitro Express
09-03-2011, 06:21 PM
Republicans believe in wasting huge sums of money on a military industrial complex that is way oversized for the need. Republicans believe in the flawed analogy of giving tax breaks to the wealthy so it will trickle down. It won't trickle down because the money will be used in speculation schemes instead of creating businesses and hiring people. It's easier to make more money just investing the money into derivative schemes and it's even better when the government covers your losses. Republicans believe in welfare. Welfare for the rich. They are no longer the middle class party.

knuckleboner
09-03-2011, 07:02 PM
Republicans argue that the bigger the government is, the smaller the private sector. The Tea Party prescription: shrink government, lower taxes, decrease regulation, and the economy will rebound through private enterprise.



so, exactly why is private sector job growth stalling? the republican house got their way. we're cutting government jobs. no new spending. yet we had zero net job growth in august.

republcians are awesome in spin, not so good in fact.

remember when john boehner blasted the clinton budget because it would drive up deficits and shrink the economy? yeah, he got that a little bit wrong. but he's back. and he's got a plan. and we're putting it into place. and again...yeah, data says, you're kinda wrong...

Nitro Express
09-03-2011, 07:24 PM
I run several businesses and I can tell you exactly why job growth has stagnated. Nobody can put a five year business plan together. Why? Several reasons. For one we have no idea what our taxes are going to be. The congress had nine years to put a budget together and didn't throw one together until the last minute. That drove my accountant nuts because he couldn't do anyone's taxes because he didn't know what the taxes were going to be. We live in an environment where your taxes can skyrocket over night with little warning. That's one problem there. We need a more stable government budget and tax situation. Another problem is small businesses who are the biggest employers can't get loans. The bailout money went to the big banks who are just holding on to it and earning interest on it instead of loaning it out. So you can't get capital right now. Another problem is the government makes it a pain to hire people. There are so many regulations regarding that and it's expensive. Also the government favors the big corporations giving them the grant money and these are the guys who have outsourced more jobs than they have created.

You just can't have a full economy without a manufacturing base. You really have to make something to begin with. It's the seed for everything else. It creates the entry level jobs and opportunities to grow. When we made stuff people would usually stay with the same company their whole lives and climb the company ladder. You need education but you also need experience. We have too many classroom managers who never worked on an assembly line or a farm in their lives. The people with the real work and classroom experience usually always make the better managers and technical people. Most kids today don't really have any entry level jobs to get their feet wet in anymore and with that lacking so does the common sense. You have to produce something to have a quality economy. The lie about sustaining ourselves on services and technology was a joke. A failed economic theory. It's only good for those at the top.

Nitro Express
09-03-2011, 07:32 PM
so, exactly why is private sector job growth stalling? the republican house got their way. we're cutting government jobs. no new spending. yet we had zero net job growth in august.

republcians are awesome in spin, not so good in fact.

remember when john boehner blasted the clinton budget because it would drive up deficits and shrink the economy? yeah, he got that a little bit wrong. but he's back. and he's got a plan. and we're putting it into place. and again...yeah, data says, you're kinda wrong...

Clinton was president at the begining of the Greenspan bubble. You drop rates and loan money to anyone that runs the economy pretty well. Also, Clinton was president when the internet became the new thing sparking lots of excitement. You have to remember 9/11 didn't happen yet and the Berlin Wall came down. Clinton had the advantage of being president during pretty good times, unfortunately, he didn't do anything about the job outsourcing and supported NAFTA. Clinton was really part of the Bush/Rockefeller cabal he just happened to be president on the upside of things. He did spend less money than Bush and Obama. On the damage side, Clinton did less.

Seshmeister
09-03-2011, 07:57 PM
I run several businesses and I can tell you exactly why job growth has stagnated.

Business owners spending all their time writing 1000s of words every day on message boards? :D

ashstralia
09-03-2011, 08:04 PM
Business owners spending all their time writing 1000s of words every day on message boards? :D

it's tough at the top, sesh. and a man's gotta have a hobby!!

Terry
09-03-2011, 08:17 PM
I run several businesses and I can tell you exactly why job growth has stagnated. Nobody can put a five year business plan together. Why? Several reasons. For one we have no idea what our taxes are going to be. The congress had nine years to put a budget together and didn't throw one together until the last minute. That drove my accountant nuts because he couldn't do anyone's taxes because he didn't know what the taxes were going to be. We live in an environment where your taxes can skyrocket over night with little warning. That's one problem there. We need a more stable government budget and tax situation. Another problem is small businesses who are the biggest employers can't get loans. The bailout money went to the big banks who are just holding on to it and earning interest on it instead of loaning it out. So you can't get capital right now. Another problem is the government makes it a pain to hire people. There are so many regulations regarding that and it's expensive. Also the government favors the big corporations giving them the grant money and these are the guys who have outsourced more jobs than they have created.

You just can't have a full economy without a manufacturing base. You really have to make something to begin with. It's the seed for everything else. It creates the entry level jobs and opportunities to grow. When we made stuff people would usually stay with the same company their whole lives and climb the company ladder. You need education but you also need experience. We have too many classroom managers who never worked on an assembly line or a farm in their lives. The people with the real work and classroom experience usually always make the better managers and technical people. Most kids today don't really have any entry level jobs to get their feet wet in anymore and with that lacking so does the common sense. You have to produce something to have a quality economy. The lie about sustaining ourselves on services and technology was a joke. A failed economic theory. It's only good for those at the top.

Yes. Thanks.

Nitro Express
09-03-2011, 08:59 PM
Business owners spending all their time writing 1000s of words every day on message boards? :D

Talking about yourself Sesh?:biggrin: