View Full Version : Repuke Debate 9-22-01: Fuckwit Freaks on FAUX
Results so far... Batshit Bachmann is now pretending to be a redhead....Mittens whined about the trade imbalance with China that his hypocritical ass helped create...Santorum doesn't believe that man, dog, or especially public employees have a right to join a union, and Newt Gingrich thinks unemployed people should starve and be homeless.
Huntsman again is trying to make sense. Chris Wallace has to switch to Pizza Guy to restore insanity to the discussion. Pizza guy says that letting billionaires and corporations pay no more than fucking 9% tax will fix the economy. No word from Extra Cheese On The Brain how roads, bridges, and a bloated "defense" budget would be funded by his bizarre tax plan.
Gary "I'm more Libertarian than Ron Paul" Johnson was allowed into this debate. Apparently with a new rug on his head, courtesy of the Jim Traficant Collection.
pRick still lying about Social Security being a "ponzi scheme". Claiming they should do what state employees do, and let the states run it.
Uh, pRick?? State employees have retirement plans because of their UNIONS. And you oppose unions, you fucking idiot.
pRick and Mittens still whining back and forth over the books they each supposedly wrote. Probably had the same ghost writer.
Mittens still lying about Obama being a "socialist". Gee Mr. dog abuser, didn't he implement YOUR health insurance scheme??
Huntsman finally sounds like a 21st century lunatic Repuke again: "Don't tax the rich."
Pizza Guy: Eliminate the EPA. Guess he doesn't realize that a REPUBLICAN (Nixon) founded it. Oh, and he's still shilling for the Pinochet "social security" solution (a bullet in the back of your head on your 65th birthday??)
Newt is writing a new "Contract ON America"?? Oh geezus, I can't wait.....
SunisinuS
09-22-2011, 09:38 PM
Huntsman finally sounds like a 21st century lunatic Repuke again: "Don't tax the rich."
CLINTON: This whole thing is a little confusing. The speech that the president gave to Congress -- you know, he didn't propose any new taxes -- I personally don't believe we ought to be raising taxes or cutting spending, either one, 'til we get this economy off the ground. This has been a dead, flat economy, and the -- you don't want in something this flat, if we cut government spending, which I would normally be inclined to do when the deficit's this big, with interest rates already near zero, you can't get the benefits out of it.
Repukes on Education:
Johnson - I'm against it.
Santorum - I'm against it.
Newt - I'm against it.
Ron Paul - I'm against it.
pRick - I'm against it. But Mittens isn't. Give the money to right wing religious schools.
Mittens - Nice try pRick. I'm against it, you asshole. Oh and fuck the teachers unions.
Batshit - I'm against it. All kids should be homeschooled by people like me.
Pizza Guy - I'm against it.
Huntsman - I'm against it. I like it better in my state with the Mormon church running everything.
Newt Gingrich wants to "outsource" employment "illegal alien" detection to banking corporations which outsource labor to Indian call centers. That's just brilliant.....
Mittens: Rick Perry lets illegal aliens go to school in Texas
pRick: I do not!
Mittens: You do too!
pRick: Do not!
Mittens: Do too!
SunisinuS
09-22-2011, 09:56 PM
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestoftv/2011/09/22/blitzer-presses-ahmadinejad-on-gay-stance.cnn?hpt=hp_t2
I do love the open shirt for the lead chick in his head. And I am still in the debate.....just saying!
Sorry not trying to hijack....just trying to let Erin work.
Ron Paul: Fences on the Mexican border aren't built to keep Mexicans out, they're built to keep us IN. Not like that will stop the corporate rich fucks sending all the money out of the country. But I would never want to regulate those greedy bastards so they couldn't do that anymore, because that would be socialism. Or something.....
Repukes on Israel:
Mittens - I will do whatever the Hell NuttyYahoo wants me to do. Who cares how many illegal settlements they have? Oh, and Nuke Iran.
Pizza Guy - Pizza through strength. I promise to hold the sausage for our Israeli Likud friends. And I too, will do whatever NuttyYahoo wants.
pRick on Pakistan - Outsource more jobs to India so they know we're on their side and those Pakis don't nuke em.
Man on Dog - MORE troops to Iraq. More war now, more killing in the Middle East so we can trick Jesus into coming back.
Newt - no more foreign aid, we should just outsource more American jobs instead, so corporations can make more money.
Bad Rug Johnson - replay tape loop "I will balance the budget by 2013".
Batshit Bachmann - Cubans are terraists!1!1! (And I say that because I caught Marcus in bed with a Cuban cabana boy last week)
Hutsman - Santorum, go fuck your dog, it's time to bring the troops home
Santorum - Google me, you Mormon ass! We need more war, not less. Don't you damn Mormons read dominionist propaganda??
Batshit Bachmann on religion - Jefferson was full of shit with that whole "separation of church and state" thing. Dominionism Uber Alles :meinsmiley:
Santorum to a gay soldier: Back in the closet, you heathen sinner! I'll bring back Don't Ask Don't Tell.
"Dr." Ron Paul to rape victims - You're pregnant? Too goddamn bad. You're keeping the kid
pRick Perry - don't compare me to Chimpy, I'm pretending to hate the BCE for political purposes right now!
Repukes on HealthCare:
Pizza Guy (cancer survivor) - Obamacare would have killed me, though damned if I can say exactly how. (Uh, maybe because you're a RICH CEO and could afford to pay for it??)
Huntsman: Makes the case for single payer health care (accidentally) by documenting how health care expenses affect employers, then claims the bankrupt states can pay for it.
Batshit: I never said vaccinations make kids retarded! It was some other chick. And I'm against drug companies now, if I can use it to make pRick Perry look bad.
pRick: I will always err on the side of life (except for when it comes to innocent people on death row in Texas prisons, but most of them are black or Mexican, so who cares?)
Mittens: RomneyCare is NOT ObamaCare. Really, it's not, I swear. Because he's a socialist, Elohim damn it!
How to fix the country?
Huntsman - degregulate everything, tax nobody and pollute the country with fracking gas wells
Pizza guy - NeoReagan bullshit rhetoric, no specifics
Batshit - Obama sucks, Obama care sucks, and I'm going to quote crooks in Switzerland to make my case.
Mittens - More Reaganish rhetoric and horseshit about "patriotism"
pRick- Deregulate everything, so the whole country can look like Texas! YEEEHAAW!!
Ron Paul - Deregulate everything (and then complains about all the problems caused by THE LAST THIRTY FUCKING YEARS OF DEREGULATION??)
Newt - More fellation of Reagan's rotting corpse. Not a single idea.
Man on Dog - Guess what? More Reagan worship, and not a single fucking proposal of anything.
Johnson - Compares Obama to dogshit, wants to "rewrite" tax code to benefit billionaires and make the poor pay.
Who would you choose for a VP?
Johnson: Ron Paul
Man On Dog: Newt
Newt: I'm not gonna say anything, because I'm a chickenshit
Ron Paul: Me either, because you media bastards ignore me anyway.
pRick: I don't believe in science, but I want a clone of Newt and the Pizza Guy.
Mittens: I'm going to pussy out just like Newt did. I'll let Heavenly Father choose my VP.
Batshit: It's gotta be somebody as fucking crazy as I am.
Pizza Guy: I'll pick Mittens if he goes with my stupid 999 plan. Newt if he doesn't.
Huntsman: I'll pick Pizza Guy because I like his tie.
Unchainme
09-22-2011, 11:08 PM
I used to be a conservative, then I became disgusted with their obsession with Christianity and moral issues, and thought maybe that I was a libetarian
I then kinda came to a realization that I'm not really that either because I support forms of welfare, protecting the environment, peoples right to unionize and I believe that the US needs to have a "Canadian" Health care plan mixed in with the system we had prior to Obama care. (my mother would have been dead within a few months of her getting cancer had she lived in Canada, in America she was able to live 4-5 more years, though putting my family in debt. apologies for the sob story)
So I'm not really sure where I'm going to be at politically now. The more I hear these people talk, and the more I hear Obama talk it just seems to remind me how fucked we are. I mean you have people like Mitt Romney seriously listening to these fucktards like the National Orgnaization for Marriage a and signing stupid pledges about porn and shit THAT. DOES. NOT. MATTER. Yes, clearly PORN is the problem, no, no, not the failing economy, porn is what's wrong with america :rolleyes:
And then you have Obama giving tax breaks to big biz. like GE, making him just as bad, if not worse than those that came before.
Just am tired of it. Tired of having to hear a bunch of bible waving nutjobs force down other peoples throats their ideas of morality and actually having people in places of power. Tired of having politicians bending over for whomever can write the biggest check for their campaign, and then passing laws that benefit of those same people while fucking over the people they're supposed to represent. This country deserves better.
Dr. Love
09-23-2011, 12:19 AM
The Pragmatic Party :)
Nitro Express
09-23-2011, 12:41 AM
I think Ford should get a job at Fox News. He seems to be the expert authority on the Republican Party.
When I want to know what's going on in the republican world I just need to read Ford's posts. He watches them like a hawk.
Nitro Express
09-23-2011, 12:53 AM
CLINTON: This whole thing is a little confusing. The speech that the president gave to Congress -- you know, he didn't propose any new taxes -- I personally don't believe we ought to be raising taxes or cutting spending, either one, 'til we get this economy off the ground. This has been a dead, flat economy, and the -- you don't want in something this flat, if we cut government spending, which I would normally be inclined to do when the deficit's this big, with interest rates already near zero, you can't get the benefits out of it.
Why the economy is stalled is the government has failed to set a budget or create any sense of stability. When you can't make a five year plan you sit on your money and don't hire anyone. I want to know what my tax costs, utility costs, and insurance costs are going to be so I can make some projections. People fear huge increases in those.
Also, we bailed out companies and banks that should have failed. A lot of money has gone overseas. Our money. Also, the banks aren't loaning anything so the biggest employers (small businesses) are capital starved.
Also, there will be no real economy until we get our manufacturing back. We need to focus on quality. I think much of what we import is poor quality junk.
I think Ford should get a job at Fox News. He seems to be the expert authority on the Republican Party.
When I want to know what's going on in the republican world I just need to read Ford's posts. He watches them like a hawk.
FAUX wouldn't want me on the air. I wouldn't be an "Alan Colmes" type and roll over for the right wing horseshit. :biggrin:
Nitro Express
09-23-2011, 01:02 AM
I used to be a conservative, then I became disgusted with their obsession with Christianity and moral issues, and thought maybe that I was a libetarian
I then kinda came to a realization that I'm not really that either because I support forms of welfare, protecting the environment, peoples right to unionize and I believe that the US needs to have a "Canadian" Health care plan mixed in with the system we had prior to Obama care. (my mother would have been dead within a few months of her getting cancer had she lived in Canada, in America she was able to live 4-5 more years, though putting my family in debt. apologies for the sob story)
So I'm not really sure where I'm going to be at politically now. The more I hear these people talk, and the more I hear Obama talk it just seems to remind me how fucked we are. I mean you have people like Mitt Romney seriously listening to these fucktards like the National Orgnaization for Marriage a and signing stupid pledges about porn and shit THAT. DOES. NOT. MATTER. Yes, clearly PORN is the problem, no, no, not the failing economy, porn is what's wrong with america :rolleyes:
And then you have Obama giving tax breaks to big biz. like GE, making him just as bad, if not worse than those that came before.
Just am tired of it. Tired of having to hear a bunch of bible waving nutjobs force down other peoples throats their ideas of morality and actually having people in places of power. Tired of having politicians bending over for whomever can write the biggest check for their campaign, and then passing laws that benefit of those same people while fucking over the people they're supposed to represent. This country deserves better.
I have relatives in Alberta. If they needed serious medical care they would always come to the US. At the time my parents lived where there was an excellent country owned hospital. The prices were fair and the quality of care was excellent so a lot of my Canadian relatives would come down and go to that hospital. Sadly, the country sold the hospital to a for profit care organization and the prices went way up even though the hospital staff and facility is still good.
What people fail to realize is we did have government healthcare in the US. They were ran by the local governments. We just didn't have a big national program.
Nitro Express
09-23-2011, 01:07 AM
Just for the hell of it I visited the Reagan Presidential Library. I wanted to check out the 707 used as Air Force One because I'm into planes. I noticed they poured a concrete slab over where Reagan is buried. Good thing. All the republican candidates want to dig the Gipper back up again.
Unchainme
09-23-2011, 01:29 AM
I have relatives in Alberta. If they needed serious medical care they would always come to the US. At the time my parents lived where there was an excellent country owned hospital. The prices were fair and the quality of care was excellent so a lot of my Canadian relatives would come down and go to that hospital. Sadly, the country sold the hospital to a for profit care organization and the prices went way up even though the hospital staff and facility is still good.
What people fail to realize is we did have government healthcare in the US. They were ran by the local governments. We just didn't have a big national program.
Alberta-Saskatchewan-Manitoba always gave me the impression they were moderate democrat than say, left-wing in terms of politics. I think it's just demographics in that regard. I could of course, be talking out of my ass, so any Canadian who disagrees, please correct me.
I recall reading while lurking on a Oilers or Flames board that Alberta is considering allowing private practices to exist in some way shape or form, so obviously there's some sort of support for the concept.
Nitro Express
09-23-2011, 01:43 AM
Alberta might as well be Montana. Lot's of rednecks. They are into rodeo big time. Independent type people.
sadaist
09-23-2011, 03:39 AM
I caught the late re-showing of the debate. My take is Rick Perry stumbled a lot. When he spoke he didn't do it with authority and he seemed trying really hard to put his thoughts into words and it just didn't come out well.
Mitt Romney did really really well in my eyes. Since Rick Perry entered the race, Romney has been a changed man. Not sure if he can keep this new Mitt up, but if he does watch out.
Herman Cain rocked. I love that guy. He's funny as hell and has some decent ideas.
Ron Paul is always fun to see him pop in with some great answers.
Newt was a non-factor yet again. Plus he is stuck 20 years ago. Someone really needs to get him up to speed with how much the world & the country has changed since then.
Michelle Bachmann seems like a nice & smart enough person, just not to lead the country. I give her tremendous props for all the children she has raised. I will not vote for her as President though. Something about her that I just don't trust. Not so much that I think she is a liar. But there is something there that sets off my internal alarm.
The rest were just background props.
Seshmeister
09-23-2011, 05:19 AM
I caught the late re-showing of the debate. My take is Rick Perry stumbled a lot. When he spoke he didn't do it with authority and he seemed trying really hard to put his thoughts into words and it just didn't come out well.
Does that matter? It didn't for Bush.
Seshmeister
09-23-2011, 05:24 AM
Michelle Bachmann seems like a nice & smart enough person, just not to lead the country. I give her tremendous props for all the children she has raised.
I wouldn't let her raise a goldfish.
Those kids will have been badly damaged by being raised by idiot holes with bizarre beliefs and the massive repression of trying to live in a heterosexual relationship when you are a screaming queer. The will have huge social hang ups and a warped view of the world around them.
It's like saying that 'isn't it good that the Westbro Church people spend so much time with their kids taking them out on protests...'
BigBadBrian
09-23-2011, 09:57 AM
I wouldn't let her raise a goldfish.
Those kids will have been badly damaged by being raised by idiot holes with bizarre beliefs and the massive repression of trying to live in a heterosexual relationship when you are a screaming queer. The will have huge social hang ups and a warped view of the world around them.
That sounds more like your family, you flaming queer. :lmao:
BigBadBrian
09-23-2011, 10:00 AM
I find it hilarious that the dumbocrats criticize the Resistance yet have no comment on the failure of their Token Negro in the White House.
BigBadBrian
09-23-2011, 10:03 AM
FAUX wouldn't want me on the air. I wouldn't be an "Alan Colmes" type and roll over for the right wing horseshit. :biggrin:
No, you would be "BCE BCE BCE BCE BCE BCE" and how the nonexistent "BCE" hacked your computer! :lmao:
jhale667
09-23-2011, 10:12 AM
the Resistance
You forgot "great unwashed" ...:lmao: Romanticizing your lunatic brethren much?
their Token Negro in the White House.
SOMEBODY's off their meds again.
Nitro Express
09-23-2011, 10:19 AM
I caught the late re-showing of the debate. My take is Rick Perry stumbled a lot. When he spoke he didn't do it with authority and he seemed trying really hard to put his thoughts into words and it just didn't come out well.
Mitt Romney did really really well in my eyes. Since Rick Perry entered the race, Romney has been a changed man. Not sure if he can keep this new Mitt up, but if he does watch out.
Herman Cain rocked. I love that guy. He's funny as hell and has some decent ideas.
Ron Paul is always fun to see him pop in with some great answers.
Newt was a non-factor yet again. Plus he is stuck 20 years ago. Someone really needs to get him up to speed with how much the world & the country has changed since then.
Michelle Bachmann seems like a nice & smart enough person, just not to lead the country. I give her tremendous props for all the children she has raised. I will not vote for her as President though. Something about her that I just don't trust. Not so much that I think she is a liar. But there is something there that sets off my internal alarm.
The rest were just background props.
I worked under Mitt as an olympic volunteer. He came into a very bad situation and did a great job of straightening it out. The man can do a good job but his record in Massachusetts as governor show he will just be another Bush or Obama. The sad thing is Mitt does have the skills to be a great president but he's a liar and looks out for the interests of the corporations he befriends. He will say anything to get elected.
Nitro Express
09-23-2011, 10:22 AM
I wouldn't let her raise a goldfish.
Those kids will have been badly damaged by being raised by idiot holes with bizarre beliefs and the massive repression of trying to live in a heterosexual relationship when you are a screaming queer. The will have huge social hang ups and a warped view of the world around them.
It's like saying that 'isn't it good that the Westbro Church people spend so much time with their kids taking them out on protests...'
Oh my. I don't want Michelle as president but I'm starting to think if Ford was president he would be like Nero. He would blame the Republicans for everything and throw the Christians to the lions.
Nitro Express
09-23-2011, 10:44 AM
I find it hilarious that the dumbocrats criticize the Resistance yet have no comment on the failure of their Token Negro in the White House.
It's nothing more than people who deeply believe the working mans party or party of the people failed to deliver the socialist utopia they thought Obama would roll in over the conservatives in this country. Both parties are equally corrupt but these people have waived the Democrat flag for so long and have such a deep seeded hate of conservatives of course they are going to bash the living shit out of the Republican Party while turning a blind eye to their own party being the same thing.
The current Democrat tactic is shit on the tea party and label them as dangerous fanatics and stir the shit. Of course they offer no real solutions or even bother to run someone better than Obama who they admit they are disappointed. In other words the Democratic Party ripped off and duped their voting base but the voting base doesn't want to admit they were taken to the cleaners so lets blame the Republicans for everything.
Va Beach VH Fan
09-23-2011, 10:56 AM
Just for the hell of it I visited the Reagan Presidential Library. I wanted to check out the 707 used as Air Force One because I'm into planes. I noticed they poured a concrete slab over where Reagan is buried. Good thing. All the republican candidates want to dig the Gipper back up again.
This Repubican Party would have excommunicated Reagan..... Can you imagine if Reagan was President today and tried to raise taxes 11 times ??
Nitro Express
09-23-2011, 11:03 AM
This Repubican Party would have excommunicated Reagan..... Can you imagine if Reagan was President today and tried to raise taxes 11 times ??
Reagan had the Russian menace then as an excuse. The American public feared the Soviet Union and The Gipper was keeping us safe. Also, the personal computer revolution was going full bore and bringing a lot of money into the country and Reagan was not as anti-small business as our current batch of politicians. The PC revolution pulled us out of recession then more than Reagan did. Nobody cared that they were losing the weaving mill or the steel mill, technology was going to replace those and we would have better jobs the key was to get a college degree.
I find it hilarious that the dumbocrats criticize the Resistance yet have no comment on the failure of their Token Negro in the White House.
Resistance? Resistance to WHAT, sanity?? :lmao:
jhale667
09-23-2011, 11:37 AM
Resistance? Resistance to WHAT, sanity?? :lmao:
:lol:
Oh my. I don't want Michelle as president but I'm starting to think if Ford was president he would be like Nero. He would blame the Republicans for everything and throw the Christians to the lions.
I would never do that. Well, not the actual Christians anyway. And throwing teabaggers to the lions would be considered either food poisoning or animal cruelty, so I probably wouldn't do that either.
Seshmeister
09-23-2011, 11:39 AM
Resistance was very funny. :)
Nitro Express
09-23-2011, 11:43 AM
I would never do that. Well, not the actual Christians anyway. And throwing teabaggers to the lions would be considered either food poisoning or animal cruelty, so I probably wouldn't do that either.
You would be up in the emperors box gloating and loving every minute of it.:biggrin:
How about capturing Sarah Palin and Michelle Bachman, charging them with treason and then forcing them to fight each other in the ring? That would be some jolly fun. Make people pay to see it and raise some revenue for the state.
You would be up in the emperors box gloating and loving every minute of it.:biggrin:
How about capturing Sarah Palin and Michelle Bachman, charging them with treason and then forcing them to fight each other in the ring? That would be some jolly fun. Make people pay to see it and raise some revenue for the state.
OK, now that actually has potential..... and the winner has to fight Ann the Man.
Nitro Express
09-23-2011, 11:52 AM
OK, now that actually has potential..... and the winner has to fight Ann the Man.
Fucking brilliant! Ford for president!
Seshmeister
09-23-2011, 12:14 PM
OK, now that actually has potential..... and the winner has to fight Ann the Man.
Armed with a chainsaw and an encyclopaedia.
jhale667
09-23-2011, 02:32 PM
With each one of these debates, the Teahadists prove themselves to be more and more of a heartless, hateful, lunatic fringe...let's see, Boos for suggesting ending wars, not letting people w/o healthcare die, and I just saw this regarding the gay soldier who was basically told "you're going back in the closet if we have anything to say about it!" last night - he ALSO got booed. Who cares what the dude is doing with a goat in his spare time - he's currently putting HIS LIFE ON THE LINE SERVING HIS COUNTRY, and these inbred fucktards boo him? Disgusting. And not ONE candidate even thanked him for his service. They are un-patriotic pieces of shit, one and all. But people are finally starting to figure that out...
From ThinkProgress:
Conservatives And Media Criticize GOP Candidates For Not Condemning Audience Boos Of Gay Soldier
By Zack Ford on Sep 23, 2011 at 11:06 am
Last night, Stephen Hill, who is serving in the Army in Iraq, had the courage to come out as gay to a national audience and ask the Republican presidential candidates about how they’d handle troops like him. The audience responded to his question with boos, and Rick Santorum said he’s reinstate Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell (a promise he doubled down on later in the evening).
The big question today, even among conservatives, is: Why did none of the candidates stand up for the soldier? Here are some of today’s reactions to the offensive moment:
- Former White House spokesman Ari Fleischer: “Booing a soldier serving our nation is uncalled for. If I were on stage, I would make that point.”
- The Hill’s Ballot Box: “None of the Republican candidates responded to the audience’s reaction.”
- CBS News: “Some audience members audibly booed the soldier — a moment the GOP candidates on stage chose to ignore.”
- The New Yorker: “His reply was breathtakingly bad: he talked about dangerous social experiments and what a mistake the repeal of Don’t Ask Don’t Tell had been; he didn’t even thank Hill, in a rote way, for his service. But none of the candidates did, and any one of them could have.”
- Christian Post: “Santorum, who has never served in the armed forces, did not address the boos, but explained his position by saying ‘sexual activity has absolutely no place in the military.’”
- National Review: “Whatever you think of “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” or homosexuality, Hill is risking his life on behalf of his country. It is troubling, and revealing, that Santorum’s answer entirely defined Hill as a gay man first and as a soldier second, if at all.”
- GOProud: “Tonight, Rick Santorum disrespected our brave men and women in uniform, and he owes Stephen Hill, the gay soldier who asked him the question about Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell repeal, an immediate apology. That brave gay soldier is doing something Rick Santorum has never done – put his life on the line to defend our freedoms and our way of life. It is telling that Rick Santorum is so blinded by his anti-gay bigotry that he couldn’t even bring himself to thank that gay soldier for his service.”
- Log Cabin Republicans: “Unfortunately, for many Americans the take-away from last night’s debate was not that Republicans have the solutions our country needs, but that too many in our party are clinging so strongly to a failed and discriminatory law that they are willing to disrespect a man in uniform. As a current Army Reserve officer and an Iraq combat veteran, I found it appalling that a soldier serving down range would be disrespected in such a fashion.”
A petition is already underway on Change.org calling on Rick Santorum to apologize to gay soldiers. If Republicans are going to tolerate the shunning of gay troops, they will cause the very problems of unit cohesion they claimed would be the result of DADT repeal.
Stick a dog in Santorum - when even the fraudulent farce known as "GOProud" is calling you out, you're done!
BigBadBrian
09-23-2011, 04:30 PM
This Repubican Party would have excommunicated Reagan..... Can you imagine if Reagan was President today and tried to raise taxes 11 times ??
Va Beach VH Fan, as much as I respect your opinions on here (except your intolerance for religion, which is asinine) I do believe you need to get your facts on Reagan other than the tid-bit talking points you are force-fed by the Huffington Post and MSNBC.
:gulp:
Va Beach VH Fan
09-23-2011, 09:01 PM
Va Beach VH Fan, as much as I respect your opinions on here (except your intolerance for religion, which is asinine) I do believe you need to get your facts on Reagan other than the tid-bit talking points you are force-fed by the Huffington Post and MSNBC.
:gulp:
What about my statement about Reagan raising taxes is incorrect ?? And please, don't talk about the situations involved or the context. He raised them 11 times, that in itself is a true statement.
And what is "asinine" about my views on religion ?? It's the biggest set of fairy tales known to man, not to mention the biggest scam ever....
You want to believe that ridiculous crap, go right ahead, knock yourself out.... But don't try to tell me that I am the asinine one when it comes to religion....
LoungeMachine
09-23-2011, 09:31 PM
Va Beach VH Fan, as much as I respect your opinions on here (except your intolerance for religion, which is asinine) I do believe you need to get your facts on Reagan other than the tid-bit talking points you are force-fed by the Huffington Post and MSNBC.
:gulp:
I'd like some facts, too..... regarding religion please.
And not opinions or tid-bits force fed you.
:gulp:
Irony rules.
jacksmar
09-23-2011, 09:46 PM
the biggest scam ever....
http://patriotupdate.com/articleimages/obama-dummies.jpg
Little Texan
09-23-2011, 10:52 PM
the biggest scam ever....
http://pysih.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/christianity.JPG
Yep.
...
BigBadBrian
09-24-2011, 06:19 AM
And what is "asinine" about my views on religion ?? It's the biggest set of fairy tales known to man, not to mention the biggest scam ever....
You want to believe that ridiculous crap, go right ahead, knock yourself out.... But don't try to tell me that I am the asinine one when it comes to religion....
Those that knock religion are just uncomfortable with their own beliefs. What are your beliefs? Do you even have any?
Why are you heathens so upset when elected officials base decisions on their own beliefs? Does that make you uncomfortable? Everyone has a moral compass, but you heathens have a compass that is broke.
BigBadBrian
09-24-2011, 06:20 AM
I'd like some facts, too..... regarding religion please.
And not opinions or tid-bits force fed you.
:gulp:
Irony rules.
Go back to your bamboo grove and shitty bass playing.
BigBadBrian
09-24-2011, 07:07 AM
What about my statement about Reagan raising taxes is incorrect ?? And please, don't talk about the situations involved or the context. He raised them 11 times, that in itself is a true statement.
The number of times doesn’t tell the story: you need to look at the big picture. You see, Reagan understood something that Obama obviously doesn’t. You need to cooperate, even compromise, at times with the other party in Congress in order to get what you really want. Obama rammed thru some irresponsible legislation when Congress was controlled by the Dumbocrats. He now whines like a little girl and says the Republicans are “obstructing” his policies. WELL NO SHIT, THAT IS WHAT AN ELECTED OFFICIAL IS SUPPOSED TO DO WHEN HE/SHE DOESN’T AGREE WITH THE PRESIDENT’S POLICY…VOTE AGAINST IT!
Getting back to Reagan, his tax cuts were actually almost twice the amount of “his” tax increases. Those cuts actually increased federal revenue significantly and fueled on economic growth, including jobs. If you don’t understand that, I suggest you purchase a good book on macroeconomics.
Seshmeister
09-24-2011, 07:32 AM
Those that knock religion are just uncomfortable with their own beliefs. What are your beliefs? Do you even have any?
I believe that for the last few years you have come on this site posting complete fucking crap because you are not happy about the way your life has turned out.
I believe it's a shame the way things have turned out for you but it's also kind of interesting watching someone break down.
I believe that being mildly amused by that may make me a slightly less good person but fuck it. :)
jacksmar
09-24-2011, 08:00 AM
the biggest scam ever....
http://jeffwinbush.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/posters_1678527c.jpg
jacksmar
09-24-2011, 08:04 AM
the biggest scam ever....
http://downloads.americanvision.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/obama-socialist-poster.jpg
jacksmar
09-24-2011, 08:17 AM
http://www.attackwatch.com/
http://www.washingtonpost.com/rf/image_606w/WashingtonPost/Content/Blogs/compost/Images/attack%20watch.PNG?uuid=e83M0t-0EeCEdSrrIfoXWw
jacksmar
09-24-2011, 08:34 AM
the biggest scam ever....
http://www.politifake.org/image/political/1005/marx-lenin-and-mao-obama-marx-lenin-mao-political-poster-1273195605.jpg
Va Beach VH Fan
09-24-2011, 08:43 AM
Those that knock religion are just uncomfortable with their own beliefs. What are your beliefs? Do you even have any?
Why are you heathens so upset when elected officials base decisions on their own beliefs? Does that make you uncomfortable? Everyone has a moral compass, but you heathens have a compass that is broke.
I want to make sure I understand what you mean when you say "your own beliefs"....
Are you saying that I have to believe some kind of invisible man up in the clouds and a talking snake, or whatever religion's equivalent mythological figures ??
And I think that "uncomfortable" isn't the correct term to describe it.... IMHO, it's so misguided and unfortunate the time and money spent on the religion "industry", which is what it really is....
Of course, it's an industry that takes in billions of dollars from it's suckers, er, patrons every year, but doesn't pay a penny of taxes....
Seshmeister
09-24-2011, 10:04 AM
Are you saying that I have to believe some kind of invisible man up in the clouds and a talking snake, or whatever religion's equivalent mythological figures ??
No he's asking why you would be uncomfortable that the people in charge of your country claim to base their decisions on childish superstitions.
Bit of a rhetorical question you would think...
LoungeMachine
09-24-2011, 11:41 AM
Those that knock religion are just uncomfortable with their own beliefs. What are your beliefs? Do you even have any?
Why are you heathens so upset when elected officials base decisions on their own beliefs? Does that make you uncomfortable? Everyone has a moral compass, but you heathens have a compass that is broke.
Because elected officials' decisions AFFECT those who pay their salaries, moron.
:gulp:
Your Idiot du Jour prayed for RAIN and half his state caught on FIRE......
Can't say your "God" doesn't have a great sense of humor.
LoungeMachine
09-24-2011, 11:45 AM
It have never ceased to amaze me that the 2 biggest bible thumpers on this site, also just happen to be the 2 most angry, racist, hate-filled wack jobs the site has.
Or had now that ELVIS is no longer with us.
:gulp:
sadaist
09-24-2011, 05:27 PM
I wouldn't let her raise a goldfish.
Those kids will have been badly damaged by being raised by idiot holes with bizarre beliefs and the massive repression of trying to live in a heterosexual relationship when you are a screaming queer. The will have huge social hang ups and a warped view of the world around them.
It's like saying that 'isn't it good that the Westbro Church people spend so much time with their kids taking them out on protests...'
She took in foster kids & provided them with a safe loving home, food, medical care, education, etc. I think that's a lot better alternative to being poor & living in a shelter or on the streets. As for the beliefs being instilled into them, that usually only lasts through the early 20's. Then people start experiencing the world and make up their own minds on what is what. It is not easy to raise 1 child, especially if it's not your own. I have huge respect for anyone that adopts or takes in foster kids for more reason than just the monthly stipend.
Is the right wing dumping pRick Perry already??? :biggrin:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUjdwZDgi2s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKotGnaLcNs
BigBadBrian
09-25-2011, 08:23 AM
most angry, racist, hate-filled wack jobs the site has.
The insult of the hour when the libs have nothing else. :lmao:
BigBadBrian
09-25-2011, 08:29 AM
I want to make sure I understand what you mean when you say "your own beliefs"....
Are you saying that I have to believe some kind of invisible man up in the clouds and a talking snake, or whatever religion's equivalent mythological figures ??
Nope. I'm saying everyone has a set of principles they guide their life by. To say religion will never come into play as to how a politician believes about a particular issue as a person is just unrealistic.
Of course, it's an industry that takes in billions of dollars from it's suckers, er, patrons every year, but doesn't pay a penny of taxes....
Nor should they, or are we going to tax every other charitable organization also?
Va Beach VH Fan
09-25-2011, 09:34 AM
Nope. I'm saying everyone has a set of principles they guide their life by. To say religion will never come into play as to how a politician believes about a particular issue as a person is just unrealistic.
I have absolutely no problem with people believing in a set of principles, morals, or whatever you want to call them. If it makes you a better person, fantastic. My problem is in the belief of an obviously fictitious volume of books.... And for politicians to include that fiction into issues that affect people's lives is flat-out wrong...
Nor should they, or are we going to tax every other charitable organization also?
You aren't seriously trying to proclaim that the majority of a church's donations are used for charity, are you ??
Dr. Love
09-25-2011, 01:44 PM
Those that knock religion are just uncomfortable with their own beliefs. What are your beliefs? Do you even have any?
Why are you heathens so upset when elected officials base decisions on their own beliefs? Does that make you uncomfortable? Everyone has a moral compass, but you heathens have a compass that is broke.
The great ironicy here is that Brian is implying that non-religious people are too stupid to come up with an acceptable moral code without someone telling them what it should be.
Dr. Love
09-25-2011, 04:59 PM
I'll humor him, what the hell...
I'd rather my elected officials speak and make decisions from a conviction that is founded on logic and reason, and that when necessary, did what they believed was right based on their own convictions when there was not definitive proof and a decision had to be made anyway. I don't want my officials speaking and making decisions based on what they think God would want them to do, nor do I want them to act based on what their religious conviction tells them they should do.
When a leader acts based on faith, what makes their actions any more or less justified (and justifiable) than other religiously driven groups (such as iran or the taliban)? We look at those groups and condemn their actions -- but is it because we don't like them making decisions that are justified by their faith, or that we simply don't agree with their faith?
BigBadBrian
09-25-2011, 06:15 PM
The great ironicy here is that Brian is implying that non-religious people are too stupid to come up with an acceptable moral code without someone telling them what it should be.
Nope. I'm not saying that at all.
BigBadBrian
09-25-2011, 06:23 PM
I have absolutely no problem with people believing in a set of principles, morals, or whatever you want to call them. If it makes you a better person, fantastic. My problem is in the belief of an obviously fictitious volume of books....
Most of the Old and New Testaments are extremely historical in nature. You can't prove any of it is fiction. Instead, you need to mock those who believe because you are unsure of yourself.
And for politicians to include that fiction into issues that affect people's lives is flat-out wrong...
No, it's not. It's no more wrong to include stuff from the bible than the liberal drivel you obviously read about form you opinions from.
You aren't seriously trying to proclaim that the majority of a church's donations are used for charity, are you ??
It doesn't really matter what they are used for, does it? Building payments, mission trips, staff salary, helping the needy...it's all good. You ever see what percentage of donations to other charities are used for actual charitable purposes?
There are certainly legitimate religious based charities. On the other hand, there are also scams like Pat Robertson's "Operation Blessing" which is really a money laundering scam for his African diamond mines. And there's nothing at all "charitable" or "Christian" about right wing political funding.
Seshmeister
09-25-2011, 08:43 PM
Most of the Old and New Testaments are extremely historical in nature. You can't prove any of it is fiction.
That's one of the most ridiculous statements I've ever read on this site.
LoungeMachine
09-25-2011, 08:47 PM
That's one of the most ridiculous statements I've ever read on this site.
He's daring you to PROVE a negative based on a BELIEF.......
:gulp:
The double standard, hypocritical, pick and choose GALL of the Pseudo-Christian is mind-boggling..... [and quite funny]
LoungeMachine
09-25-2011, 08:48 PM
.....
LoungeMachine
09-25-2011, 08:49 PM
Most of the Old and New Testaments are extremely historical in nature. You can't prove any of it is fiction.
So you KNOW the earth is 6,000 years old?
:gulp:
Link please
Michael Seaver from Growing Pains and his friend Ray Closetcase demonstrate Our Lord's Intelligent Design.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2z-OLG0KyR4
Seshmeister
09-25-2011, 10:14 PM
Holy shit FORD I take it you put that up as a joke.
Apart from the absolute ridiculousness of the argument that because out of all the vegetation on the Earth because one of them is cool that proves God exists is as dumb as saying that because there are some mushrooms that are poisonous that proves there is no God.
But beyond that and the most STUPID AS FUCK thing about that idiotic video is that bananas are a human invention. Bananas originally were full of seeds which people cultivated out of them artificially via hybrids.
Even fucking funnier in the context of this they did that around 5000 BC which according to the people who believe in the historical bible was before the Earth was magicked up by the invisible cloud daddy. :D
Yeah,it was a joke, mostly because that Ray guy looks like he'd really rather be eating a different sort of "banana" :blow:
Even if you did believe that every species on this planet was designed by God in its current form, it's a special kind of arrogance to assume He would have done so just for the benefit of human consumption.
Seshmeister
09-26-2011, 12:01 AM
I think maybe one of the most arrogant things of all is actors who thank god in their acceptance speeches for awards.
If you think about that, they are saying that there is a supreme being who created a trillion stars in the universe who has personally intervened to make them win a prize for dressing up and pretending, in preference to 4 other bozos he didn't like as much.
Seshmeister
09-26-2011, 12:08 AM
Even if you did believe that every species on this planet was designed by God in its current form, it's a special kind of arrogance to assume He would have done so just for the benefit of human consumption.
And of course the flipside...
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Meanwhile in Florida, the state chair of pRick Perry's campaign thinks God is causing tornados and earthquakes and shit because He's pissed off about gay weddings......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRb7DxP54es
jhale667
09-26-2011, 10:20 AM
So you KNOW the earth is 6,000 years old?
:gulp:
Link please
:umm: Yeah, like that'll happen...
Nitro Express
09-26-2011, 10:53 AM
I think maybe one of the most arrogant things of all is actors who thank god in their acceptance speeches for awards.
If you think about that, they are saying that there is a supreme being who created a trillion stars in the universe who has personally intervened to make them win a prize for dressing up and pretending, in preference to 4 other bozos he didn't like as much.
It makes perfect sense when you look at religion as a business. People like to feel special. Religion always markets that big time. I am a prophet or messenger of God. Do everything that I say and God will give you better rewards in heaven than those other heathens because you are special.
In other words, let me abuse you because you are more special and God cares about you more than the others who refuse to be part of our chosen group. It's the oldest scam going. The earth may not really be six thousand years old but the scam probably is.
Anyways, you just don't nip thousands of years of tradition overnight. As far as the politics go it's just certain politicians playing to their base. A base going nowhere. They don't decide who is president either. The swing voters do who show no religious or party loyalty. These people just care how their vote affects their lively hood and pocket book. They tend to vote against something more than they vote for something. So what ever party convinces them they are the one that is less fucked up than the other one get enough votes to get their puppet into office.
hambon4lif
09-26-2011, 11:02 AM
:lmao:
Nitro Express
09-26-2011, 11:02 AM
There are certainly legitimate religious based charities. On the other hand, there are also scams like Pat Robertson's "Operation Blessing" which is really a money laundering scam for his African diamond mines. And there's nothing at all "charitable" or "Christian" about right wing political funding.
If religious donations were taxed and church's paid income tax you would see religion in this country dwindle like crazy. The main big appeal of it is you can make tax free income and if you are good at playing the game you can literally control billions of dollars and millions of people. Condense that in one area and you wield huge political control as well. Whole states are controlled by one religion.
Well, Utah is a special case, considering the first white folks there WERE all members of that particular religion. So they got in early, set up the entire infrastructure of the cities and states, based around the Mormon church, and it remains so to this day. Even in Salt Lake City, which probably has the highest non-LDS population in the state, your address is still determined by how far you are from the Temple.
I don't think you could ever have one religion completely dominate a culture in any other state like that.
jhale667
09-26-2011, 02:45 PM
I don't think you could ever have one religion completely dominate a culture in any other state like that.
Thank the invisible sky daddy for small favors.... ;)
Nitro Express
09-26-2011, 03:18 PM
Well, Utah is a special case, considering the first white folks there WERE all members of that particular religion. So they got in early, set up the entire infrastructure of the cities and states, based around the Mormon church, and it remains so to this day. Even in Salt Lake City, which probably has the highest non-LDS population in the state, your address is still determined by how far you are from the Temple.
I don't think you could ever have one religion completely dominate a culture in any other state like that.
Brigham Young was lucky enough to have a large group of people who didn't fight with each other, didn't question his authority and were skilled hard workers. A mutany situation would have killed it off early. The Mormons came into Utah in 1847 following the Donner trail from Ft. Bridger. Most traffic to California went up into Idaho and bypassed the salt flats and alkylin desert due to the dangers of crossing it. In 1849 the gold rush started and people flooded into the west. Then the US government sent Johnston's army to Utah to take things over. What could have been a hot situation turned out to benefit both sides. The Mormons needed money and the army needed food. Then there was the federal crack down on polygamy which was more like the east coast barons coming in wanting to break the grip of the Mormons in Utah.
The thing is Mormons still outnumber non-Mormons so the non-Mormon politicians like McCune would cater to the Mormons. Once the polygamy was gone the mainstream church pretty much became a business owning various business interests. In the old polygamy days they didn't have money so everyone would tithe their time (working on the temple for instance) or giving 10% of what you raised. It was a barter system and the bishop then would give the food to the needy. So tithing originally was a welfare system.
Because the church had little money it was in debt and was issuing bonds. Because of the debt it was decided to make tithing money based. The church paid off it's debts in a short amount of time and had all this surplus money. Then they invested in railroads, utility companies, broadcasting, agriculture. I believe the Mormon church today is the largest private owner of real estate in the US.
So originally Mormonism was communal living under the theocracy and today it's a conglomerante. The main goal of the Mormon church now is the survival of the organization. In another 50 years it will morph into something completely different if it's even still around. The modern church depended heavily on it's members disposable incomes and retirement. They can't run on that system anymore and the younger generation isn't going to tow the line. In other worlds Mormonism will become too much of a burdon and too expensive. It won't adapt to a changing world fast enough. The day you see Mormons lose the political control of Utah is the day it's days are numbered as a church. They are losing too. They have lost metropolitan Salt Lake City which is a Democrat city now.
I think they're hoping to take over Washington DC at the moment, since it's the first time that two Mormons have run for President on a major party. Of course the saner of the two is NOT the one likely to be nominated, and neither is likely to win any of the "deep" red states, outside of Utah (and possibly Idaho)
BigBadBrian
09-26-2011, 03:42 PM
I think they're hoping to take over Washington DC at the moment, since it's the first time that two Mormons have run for President on a major party. Of course the saner of the two is NOT the one likely to be nominated, and neither is likely to win any of the "deep" red states, outside of Utah (and possibly Idaho)
Yeah, like your Token Negro in the White House elected on a slogan has any chance of winning the traditionally red states.
:clap:
Nitro Express
09-26-2011, 04:29 PM
I think they're hoping to take over Washington DC at the moment, since it's the first time that two Mormons have run for President on a major party. Of course the saner of the two is NOT the one likely to be nominated, and neither is likely to win any of the "deep" red states, outside of Utah (and possibly Idaho)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/25/utah-undie-run_n_980350.html
They need to take over DC because they are losing Salt Lake City.
Yeah, like your Token Negro in the White House elected on a slogan has any chance of winning the traditionally red states.
:clap:
Don't kid yourself. When it comes down to a choice between a black man and a "crazy false god believin' Mormon cultist", even half the Klan will be voting for Obama. The other half will probably stay home and not vote at all.
jhale667
09-26-2011, 06:19 PM
Don't kid yourself.
You may as well tell BigBlandBitch not to breathe... :lmao:
Dr. Love
09-26-2011, 08:42 PM
That's one of the most ridiculous statements I've ever read on this site.
Tide comes in, tide goes out. Sun goes up, Sun goes down. You can't explain that.
Tide comes in, tide goes out. Sun goes up, Sun goes down. You can't explain that.
It's amazing that the host of a supposedly high-rated "news" show can say something that fucking stupid and still be on the air.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wb3AFMe2OQY
SunisinuS
09-26-2011, 11:12 PM
Most of the Old and New Testaments are extremely historical in nature. You can't prove any of it is fiction. Instead, you need to mock those who believe because you
Not into Domestic Politics here......but...how do explain Dinosaur Bones again?
Roth On!
lesfunk
09-26-2011, 11:19 PM
They seem both a couple of douches to me. The Anton Lavey Jr. guy actually comes off a little doucheier then the Leprachaun. I mean What's the fucking point? Don't these cunts have anything better to do?
Not into Domestic Politics here......but...how do explain Dinosaur Bones again?
Roth On!
Satan planted them in the ground just to fuck with our minds.
BigBadBrian
09-27-2011, 07:29 AM
Not into Domestic Politics here......but...how do explain Dinosaur Bones again?
Roth On!
Job 40:15 - 41:34
15 "Look at the behemoth, which I made along with you and which feeds on grass like an ox. 16 What strength he has in his loins, what power in the muscles of his belly! 17 His tail sways like a cedar; the sinews of his thighs are close-knit. 18 His bones are tubes of bronze, his limbs like rods of iron. 19 He ranks first among the works of God, yet his Maker can approach him with his sword. 20 The hills bring him their produce, and all the wild animals play nearby. 21 Under the lotus plants he lies, hidden among the reeds in the marsh. 22 The lotuses conceal him in their shadow; the poplars by the stream surround him. 23 When the river rages, he is not alarmed; he is secure, though the Jordan should surge against his mouth. 24 Can anyone capture him by the eyes, or trap him and pierce his nose?
1 "Can you pull in the leviathan with a fishhook or tie down his tongue with a rope? 2 Can you put a cord through his nose or pierce his jaw with a hook? 3 Will he keep begging you for mercy? Will he speak to you with gentle words? 4 Will he make an agreement with you for you to take him as your slave for life? 5 Can you make a pet of him like a bird or put him on a leash for your girls? 6 Will traders barter for him? Will they divide him up among the merchants? 7 Can you fill his hide with harpoons or his head with fishing spears? 8 If you lay a hand on him, you will remember the struggle and never do it again! 9 Any hope of subduing him is false; the mere sight of him is overpowering. 10 No one is fierce enough to rouse him. Who then is able to stand against me? 11 Who has a claim against me that I must pay? Everything under heaven belongs to me. 12 "I will not fail to speak of his limbs, his strength and his graceful form. 13 Who can strip off his outer coat? Who would approach him with a bridle? 14 Who dares open the doors of his mouth, ringed about with his fearsome teeth? 15 His back has rows of shields tightly sealed together; 16 each is so close to the next that no air can pass between. 17 They are joined fast to one another; they cling together and cannot be parted. 18 His snorting throws out flashes of light; his eyes are like the rays of dawn. 19 Firebrands stream from his mouth; sparks of fire shoot out. 20 Smoke pours from his nostrils as from a boiling pot over a fire of reeds. 21 His breath sets coals ablaze, and flames dart from his mouth. 22 Strength resides in his neck; dismay goes before him. 23 The folds of his flesh are tightly joined; they are firm and immovable. 24 His chest is hard as rock, hard as a lower millstone. 25 When he rises up, the mighty are terrified; they retreat before his thrashing. 26 The sword that reaches him has no effect, nor does the spear or the dart or the javelin. 27 Iron he treats like straw and bronze like rotten wood. 28 Arrows do not make him flee; slingstones are like chaff to him. 29 A club seems to him but a piece of straw; he laughs at the rattling of the lance. 30 His undersides are jagged potsherds, leaving a trail in the mud like a threshing sledge. 31 He makes the depths churn like a boiling caldron and stirs up the sea like a pot of ointment. 32 Behind him he leaves a glistening wake; one would think the deep had white hair. 33 Nothing on earth is his equal-- a creature without fear. 34 He looks down on all that are haughty; he is king over all that are proud."
Job 40:15 - 41:34
15 "Look at the behemoth, which I made along with you and which feeds on grass like an ox. 16 What strength he has in his loins, what power in the muscles of his belly! 17 His tail sways like a cedar; the sinews of his thighs are close-knit. 18 His bones are tubes of bronze, his limbs like rods of iron. 19 He ranks first among the works of God, yet his Maker can approach him with his sword. 20 The hills bring him their produce, and all the wild animals play nearby. 21 Under the lotus plants he lies, hidden among the reeds in the marsh. 22 The lotuses conceal him in their shadow; the poplars by the stream surround him. 23 When the river rages, he is not alarmed; he is secure, though the Jordan should surge against his mouth. 24 Can anyone capture him by the eyes, or trap him and pierce his nose?
1 "Can you pull in the leviathan with a fishhook or tie down his tongue with a rope? 2 Can you put a cord through his nose or pierce his jaw with a hook? 3 Will he keep begging you for mercy? Will he speak to you with gentle words? 4 Will he make an agreement with you for you to take him as your slave for life? 5 Can you make a pet of him like a bird or put him on a leash for your girls? 6 Will traders barter for him? Will they divide him up among the merchants? 7 Can you fill his hide with harpoons or his head with fishing spears? 8 If you lay a hand on him, you will remember the struggle and never do it again! 9 Any hope of subduing him is false; the mere sight of him is overpowering. 10 No one is fierce enough to rouse him. Who then is able to stand against me? 11 Who has a claim against me that I must pay? Everything under heaven belongs to me. 12 "I will not fail to speak of his limbs, his strength and his graceful form. 13 Who can strip off his outer coat? Who would approach him with a bridle? 14 Who dares open the doors of his mouth, ringed about with his fearsome teeth? 15 His back has rows of shields tightly sealed together; 16 each is so close to the next that no air can pass between. 17 They are joined fast to one another; they cling together and cannot be parted. 18 His snorting throws out flashes of light; his eyes are like the rays of dawn. 19 Firebrands stream from his mouth; sparks of fire shoot out. 20 Smoke pours from his nostrils as from a boiling pot over a fire of reeds. 21 His breath sets coals ablaze, and flames dart from his mouth. 22 Strength resides in his neck; dismay goes before him. 23 The folds of his flesh are tightly joined; they are firm and immovable. 24 His chest is hard as rock, hard as a lower millstone. 25 When he rises up, the mighty are terrified; they retreat before his thrashing. 26 The sword that reaches him has no effect, nor does the spear or the dart or the javelin. 27 Iron he treats like straw and bronze like rotten wood. 28 Arrows do not make him flee; slingstones are like chaff to him. 29 A club seems to him but a piece of straw; he laughs at the rattling of the lance. 30 His undersides are jagged potsherds, leaving a trail in the mud like a threshing sledge. 31 He makes the depths churn like a boiling caldron and stirs up the sea like a pot of ointment. 32 Behind him he leaves a glistening wake; one would think the deep had white hair. 33 Nothing on earth is his equal-- a creature without fear. 34 He looks down on all that are haughty; he is king over all that are proud."
Ok......
There was what....60 million years between the last age of dinosaurs and the beginings of Humans....depending on where you want to place our ancestors.
That passage does not speak of dinosaurs....sounds more like a fucking dragon.
Regardless...we did not co-exist with dinosaurs...and I doubt people a few thousand years ago would know what a fossil was when they looked at it.
Seshmeister
09-27-2011, 10:00 AM
Job 40:15 - 41:34
Your strongest argument that the bible is historically factually accurate is a story about a fire breathing monster? :lmao:
What's next? A theological thesis based on The Hungry Caterpillar? :D
Nitro Express
09-27-2011, 10:25 AM
Accurate as far at Jerusalem, Jerico, the river Jordan, and Egypt being real places. The events can be questioned. No proof that any of the people existed or the events took place. Other than key political figures like Harod everyone else is a ghost.
Seshmeister
09-27-2011, 10:41 AM
Even then Herod was dead 4 years before the supposed birth of Jesus and there absolutely was not a slaughter of male babies as it would certainly have been mentioned by contemporary historical accounts. There was no Roman census and the crucifixion of anyone as described never mind a son of god is highly dubious.
And that's the more 'believable' stuff. Once we get into talking snakes, moons on fire, pillars of salt, arks and all that baloney even a child should be questioning that being historically true.
Accurate as far at Jerusalem, Jerico, the river Jordan, and Egypt being real places. The events can be questioned. No proof that any of the people existed or the events took place. Other than key political figures like Harod everyone else is a ghost.
A lot of it has been proven as far as location and people go...same goes with the political turmoil and uprisings.
A ton of it has been disproven as far as the stories go...for example sodem and gomarrah...turned out archeologists have proven it to be a volcano eruption...coated people in ash...creepy to see what they have uncovered and to know there were real people in that coating.
The story of Noah's Ark...disproven as at no point has the entire earth been covered in water...ancient cultures did not get killed off then restart.
And so on and so on.
Seshmeister
09-27-2011, 10:58 AM
There isn't even evidence for something as fundamental as the Exodus of the Jews from Egypt.
What little evidence of anything historical is very often based on the superstitions of the archaeologists themselves over the years whereby if they found remains of a settlement in a place they thought sounded right biblically, they would just give the place the same name as was in the bible. Religious people were drawn to working in the field of religious history.
Of course that's not proof of anything but a lot of the time they have just been left to get on with it because it seems to make them happy and if you weren't into the mythology why waste your life wandering about deserts naming insignificant iron age villages?
I think even Brian(hopefully) does not believe that the planet Mars is the Roman god of war floating about up there in the sky, same kind of thing.
Seshmeister
09-27-2011, 11:05 AM
The story of Noah's Ark...disproven as at no point has the entire earth been covered in water...
Well that's one of 50 000 reasons that myth has been disproved. I don't even think disprove is really the word to use, its so ridiculously implausible it's like talking about disproving Goofy and Mini Mouse.
dazzlindino
09-27-2011, 11:28 AM
and the suposed jesus said, "Truly I say to you, there are some of those who are standing here who shall not taste death until they see the kingdom of God after it has come with power."
still waitin' ova here....
Well that's one of 50 000 reasons that myth has been disproved. I don't even think disprove is really the word to use, its so ridiculously implausible it's like talking about disproving Goofy and Mini Mouse.
True...I am a recovering Catholic...it is tough to get alot of these things straightened out...so I see where alot of people have not made the big step to think too deeply about it.
I grew up believing in Noah's Ark...not until you actually look into it do you then realize there is zero evidence...you tend to look past alot of the other flaws in the stories....because they are so out there but are a part of your belief system.
lesfunk
09-27-2011, 06:39 PM
Ok......
Regardless...we did not co-exist with dinosaurs...and I doubt people a few thousand years ago would know what a fossil was when they looked at it.
Yes we did. Didn't you see that movie with Raquel Welch?
Seshmeister
09-27-2011, 07:53 PM
I grew up believing in Noah's Ark...not until you actually look into it do you then realize there is zero evidence...you tend to look past alot of the other flaws in the stories....because they are so out there but are a part of your belief system.
Catholic doctrine seems to be that some of the bible is literally true and some is metaphorically true but it's all true. The church argues that the message and truth is the most important thing.
In some ways I get more concerned about this teaching morality than about that than the practicalities of 600 000 species of beetle or plants under water for 40 days.
All those 1000s of bloated rotting dead baby corpses because the loving father wasn't getting enough respect?
Or was it maybe as a means for humans to control other humans with terrifying threats.
"It is almost too ridiculous to mention it, but I'm afraid I have to because of the more than 40 per cent of the American population who...accept the Bible literally: think what the distribution of animals should look like if they'd all dispersed from Noah's Ark. Shouldn't there be some sort of law of decreasing species diversity as we move away from an epicenter--perhaps Mount Ararat? I don't need to tell you that this is not what we see at all.
Why would all those marsupials--ranging from tiny pouched mice through koalas and bilbys to giant kangaroos and Diprotodonts--why would all those marsupials, but no placentals at all, have migrated en masse from Mount Ararat to Australia? Which route did they take? And why did not a single member of their straggling caravan pause on the way--in India, perhaps, or China, or some haven along the Great Silk Road? Why did the entire order Edentata (all twenty species of armadillo, including the extinct giant armadillo, all six species of sloth, including extinct giant sloths and all four species of anteater) troop of unerringly to South America, leaving not a rack behind, leaving no hide nor hair nor armour plate of settlers somewhere along the way? Why were they joined by the entire infraorder of caviomorph rodents, including guinea pigs, agoutis, pacas, maras, capybaras, chinchillas and lots of others, a large group of characteristically South American rodents, found nowhere else?"
He continues with more examples (lemurs in Madagascar, penguins in Antarctica, etc.) and then writes, "Once again, I am sorry to take a sledgehammer to so small a nut, but I have to do so because more than 40 per cent of the American people believe literally in the story of Noah's Ark. We should be able to ignore them and get on with our science, but we can't afford to because they control school boards, they home-school their children to deprive them of access to proper science teachers, and they include many members of the United States Congress, some state governors, and even presidential and vice-presidential candidates. They have the money and the power to build institutions, universities, even a museum where children ride life-size mechanical models of dinosaurs, which, they are solemnly told, coexisted with humans. And, as recent polls have shown, Britain is not far behind (of should that read 'ahead'?), along with parts of Europe and most of the Islamic world.
Even if we leave Mount Ararat to one side; even if we refrain from lampooning those who take the Noah's Ark myth literally, similar problems apply to the theory of the separate creation of species. Why would an all-powerful creator decide to plant his carefully crafted species on islands and continents in exactly the appropriate pattern to suggest, irresistibly, that they had evolved and dispersed from the site of their evolution?" (Dawkins, The Greatest Show on Earth. 269-270.)
Blaze
09-27-2011, 09:46 PM
Well, I think that humans have been "wiped from the face of the Earth, save a handful" , not only once, but more than once. It is vain to assume that time for "God" is equivalent to man's concept of time. Or that "God" is even bound by time at all. In no place is it stated what sort of image of "God's" that man was created from, or even what context that is related to.
I have often wondered when this set of humans is reduced to a handful and scientist unearth our "civilization" will our statues also be called our gods?
I always thought it odd that no matter what was unearth from ancient civilizations that most everything deemed a worship item or a symbolic item. Instead of cheep mass production that made it through time. for example:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d1/VenusWillendorf.jpg/180px-VenusWillendorf.jpg
Maybe that statue and the others like it was a marketing ploy for mass produced dollar store items.
http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQFHpN8wMdF7O3G5E6hok2uaWBPOXXYl 4RI8EAGIZFhCiqPgHzYCMULB3p_KA
Blaze
09-27-2011, 09:53 PM
And just for fun thought;
If the times lines are all screwed up those crazy half animal and half human carvings could be GE designer humans, perhaps humanities ethics weren't always as good as they are not :behindsofa:
Seshmeister
09-28-2011, 05:57 AM
I always thought it odd that no matter what was unearth from ancient civilizations that most everything deemed a worship item or a symbolic item. Instead of cheep mass production that made it through time. for example:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d1/VenusWillendorf.jpg/180px-VenusWillendorf.jpg
Maybe that statue and the others like it was a marketing ploy for mass produced dollar store items.
Like maybe there is a tiny hieroglyph on it saying 'Typical Florida Themepark Woman'?
Where your theory falls down a bit is that if you stick these things under a microscope you can see the marks made by the tools used to make them. You can then work out that they couldn't be mass produced because it might take a year of chipping at them each night with a flint which is even worse than working for Nike©®™.
Blaze
09-28-2011, 07:07 AM
Tools are usually used to make things, this is true!
On a side note, how did I manage to type a letter t for the letter w, they are like 2 letters apart on the keyboard. Will the wonders of the world never cease?!
Seshmeister
09-28-2011, 07:53 AM
Should I have made that clearer? You can tell what type of tool was used. Eg that's one of the reasons we know the whole crystal skull myth is a load of bunkum because you test and see that they were made using 19th century European tools.
Another shitty thing about the last Indie film. :)
Blaze
09-28-2011, 10:40 AM
I had never heard of the Crystal Skulls. Quite an interesting story they are. However, the note that none of them have ever been documented in an dig or an authenticated find, gives more weight to their being fakes than the manufacture process. That is IF the times lines of history are indeed skewed. And by timeline being skewed, I mean that what we perceive as ancient history is actually older and prior to the last "cleanse" of a system of things (world systems) or even prior to a number of "world systems" cleanses.
Seshmeister
09-28-2011, 11:03 AM
There is unfortunately no evidence of your world cleanse idea though and it goes against the fossil and geological record so I wouldn't start spending that Noble prize money just yet.
Blaze
09-28-2011, 11:34 AM
There is unfortunately no evidence of your world cleanse idea though and it goes against the fossil and geological record so I wouldn't start spending that Noble prize money just yet.
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