Iran...

[howie]

...a constant pain historically...

Is anyone else hoping they block the Strait of Hormuz to see what happens next?

Lets deal with these fuckers once and for all so we can get on with it.

[Nitro Express]

It really isn't about Iran. It's about the west losing it's global economic prominence to China. After World War II certain European countries and the US climbed into bed together. Basically Brenton-Woods put the US, The U.K., and France in charge of the world economic system. That was a international accord that would run for 50 years. Now that that has expired, there is no consensus on who runs the world's economic system. Due to the incompetence of the west and the short-term greed, Asia has become the big economic winner. The worlds biggest manufactures and creditors are all in Asia now. China being the biggest player. China needs oil and it's biggest supplier is Iran. China wanted to run an oil pipeline to Iran through India, Pakistan, through the kyber pass into the Afghanistan and then into Iran. Hmmmmm. Why are we trying to control Afghanistan and create civil war in Pakistan? To fuck up the Chinese oil pipeline plans. Why do we want to stir the pot in Iran? To ruin the Chinese oil supply and hurt then economically.

Iran probably isn't the threat our western media makes it to be. In reality, attacking Iran is all about disrupting China's oil supply and that is what this is all about. As long as the west controls the oil and has the oil reserve currency, they control the world's finance regardless of treaties and accords.



This is a huge news story. How come none of our news media outlets even mentioned it? We are not being told the true story about Iran. It's not news, it's mostly anti-Iran propaganda.

[FORD]

Why don't we take out that paranoid wackjob NuttyYahoo and the rest of his Likud Zionfuckhead enablers first, and then see how all the allegations about Iran suddenly vanish when there's nobody making the bullshit up anymore.

And put the entire membership of AIPAC on trial for treason. I'm sick of those fucking cunts.

[FORD]

Rudi Baktiar, on the other hand, is beautiful as ever. Wish she would get a job on a real news network, like Current or RT.

[FORD]

This is a few years old, but other than name changes where appropriate, it pretty much still fits what would happen if NuttyYahoo gets his wish......

Day One -
The War With Iran

By Douglas Herman
A Rense.com Exclusive
1-9-5

The war began as planned. The Israeli pilots took off well before dawn and streaked across Lebanon and northern Iraq, high above Kirkuk. Flying US-made F-15 and F-16s, the Israelis separated over the mountains of western Iran, the pilots gesturing a last minute show of confidence in their mission, maintaining radio silence.

Just before the sun rose over Tehran, moments before the Muslim call to prayer, the missiles struck their targets. While US Air Force AWACS planes circled overhead--listening, watching, recording--heavy US bombers followed minutes later. Bunker-busters and mini-nukes fell on dozens of targets while Iranian anti-aircraft missiles sped skyward.

The ironically named Bushehr nuclear power plant crumbled to dust. Russian technicians and foreign nationals scurried for safety. Most did not make it.

Targets in Saghand and Yazd, all of them carefully chosen many months before by Pentagon planners, were destroyed. The uranium enrichment facility in Natanz; a heavy water plant and radioisotope facility in Arak; the Ardekan Nuclear Fuel Unit; the Uranium Conversion Facility and Nuclear Technology Center in Isfahan; were struck simultaneously by USAF and Israeli bomber groups.

The Tehran Nuclear Research Center, the Tehran Molybdenum, Iodine and Xenon Radioisotope Production Facility, the Tehran Jabr Ibn Hayan Multipurpose Laboratories, the Kalaye Electric Company in the Tehran suburbs were destroyed.

Iranian fighter jets rose in scattered groups. At least those Iranian fighter planes that had not been destroyed on the ground by swift and systematic air strikes from US and Israeli missiles. A few Iranian fighters even launched missiles, downing the occasional attacker, but American top guns quickly prevailed in the ensuing dogfights.

The Iranian air force, like the Iranian navy, never really knew what hit them. Like the slumbering US sailors at Pearl Harbor, the pre-dawn, pre-emptive attack wiped out fully half the Iranian defense forces in a matter of hours.

By mid-morning, the second and third wave of US/Israeli raiders screamed over the secondary targets. The only problem now, the surprising effectiveness of the Iranian missile defenses. The element of surprise lost, US and Israeli warplanes began to fall from the skies in considerable numbers to anti-aircraft fire.

At 7:35 AM, Tehran time, the first Iranian anti-ship missile destroyed a Panamanian oil tanker, departing from Kuwait and bound for Houston. Launched from an Iranian fighter plane, the Exocet split the ship in half and set the ship ablaze in the Strait of Hormuz. A second and third tanker followed, black smoke billowing from the broken ships before they blew up and sank. By 8:15 AM, all ship traffic on the Persian Gulf had ceased.

US Navy ships, ordered earlier into the relative safety of the Indian Ocean, south of their base in Bahrain, launched counter strikes. Waves of US fighter planes circled the burning wrecks in the bottleneck of Hormuz but the Iranian fighters had fled.

At 9 AM, Eastern Standard Time, many hours into the war, CNN reported a squadron of suicide Iranian fighter jets attacking the US Navy fleet south of Bahrain. Embedded reporters aboard the ships--sending live feeds directly to a rapt audience of Americans just awakening--reported all of the Iranian jets destroyed, but not before the enemy planes launched dozens of Exocet and Sunburn anti-ship missiles. A US aircraft carrier, cruiser and two destroyers suffered direct hits. The cruiser blew up and sank, killing 600 men. The aircraft carrier sank an hour later.

By mid-morning, every military base in Iran was partially or wholly destroyed. Sirens blared and fires blazed from hundreds of fires. Explosions rocked Tehran and the electrical power failed. The Al Jazeerah news station in Tehran took a direct hit from a satellite bomb, leveling the entire block.

At 9:15 AM, Baghdad time, the first Iranian missile struck the Green Zone. For the next thirty minutes a torrent of missiles landed on GPS coordinates carefully selected by Shiite militiamen with cell phones positioned outside the Green Zone and other permanent US bases. Although US and Israeli bomber pilots had destroyed 90% of the Iranian missiles, enough Shahabs remained to fully destroy the Green Zone, the Baghdad airport, and a US Marine base. Thousands of unsuspecting US soldiers died in the early morning barrage. Not surprisingly, CNN and Fox withheld the great number of casualties from American viewers.

By 9:30 AM, gas stations on the US east coast began to raise their prices. Slowly at first and then altogether in a panic, the prices rose. $4 a gallon, and then $5 and then $6, the prices skyrocketed. Worried motorists, rushing from work, roared into the nearest gas station, radios blaring the latest reports of the pre-emptive attack on Iran. While fistfights broke out in gas stations everywhere, the third Middle Eastern war had begun.

In Washington DC, the spin began minutes after the first missile struck its intended target. The punitive strike--not really a war said the harried White House spokesman--would further democracy and peace in the Middle East. Media pundits mostly followed the party line. By ridding Iran of weapons of mass destruction, Donald Rumsfeld declared confidently on CNN, Iran might follow in the footsteps of Iraq, and enjoy the hard won fruits of freedom.

The president scheduled a speech at 2 PM. Gas prices rose another two dollars before then. China and Japan threatened to dump US dollars. Gold rose $120 an ounce. The dollar plummeted against the Euro.

CNN reported violent, anti-American protests in Paris, London, Rome, Berlin and Dublin. Fast food franchises throughout Europe, carrying American corporate logos, were firebombed.

A violent coup toppled the pro-American Pakistan president. On the New York Stock Exchange, prices fell in a frenzy of trading--except for the major petroleum producers. A single, Iranian Shahab missile struck Tel Aviv, destroying an entire city block. Israel vowed revenge, and threatened a nuclear strike on Tehran, before a hastily called UN General Assembly in New York City eased tensions.

An orange alert in New York City suddenly reddened to a full-scale terror alarm when a package detonated on a Manhattan subway. Mayor Bloomberg declared martial law. Governor Pataki ordered the New York National Guard fully mobilized, mobilizing what few national guardsmen remained in the state.

President Bush looked shaken at 2 PM. The scroll below the TV screen reported Persian Gulf nations halting production of oil until the conflict could be resolved peacefully. Venezuelan president, Hugo Chavez, announced a freeze in oil deliveries to the US would begin immediately. Tony Blair offered to mediate peace negotiations, between the US and Israel and Iran, but was resoundingly rejected.

By 6 PM, Eastern Standard Time, gas prices had stabilized at just below $10 a gallon. A Citgo station in Texas, near Fort Sam Houston Army base, was firebombed. No one claimed responsibility. Terrorism was not ruled out.

At sunset, the call to prayer--in Tehran, Baghdad, Islamabad, Ankara, Jerusalem, Jakarta, Riyadh--sounded uncannily like the buzzing of enraged bees.

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USAF veteran, Douglas Herman correctly predicted the aftermath of the attack on Iraq in his column: Shock & Awe Followed by Block-To-Block. A Rense contributer, he is the author of The Guns of Dallas, available at Amazon.com. Contact him at douglasherman7@yahoo.com.


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You think the US economy's fucked now? Just picture what it would look like with $10/gallon gas.

Pray that you never have to find out.

[WACF]

Wierd things are happening.

The US turns away our oil so we are now planning on piping to the west coast and sell to China.
Our oil supply is secure and ethical...not conflict oil.

Most likley China will have it's own carrier in the Straight Of Hormuz in the future.

It's like a shift in world power is in the works.

[Nitro Express]

Rudi Baktiar, on the other hand, is beautiful as ever. Wish she would get a job on a real news network, like Current or RT.

She always used to stun me with her beauty when she was on CNN. She is still good looking at age 45. If she joined the other good looking women on R.T. a lot of guys wouldn't be paying attention to the news they would be doing this instead.

[Nitro Express]

Wierd things are happening.

The US turns away our oil so we are now planning on piping to the west coast and sell to China.
Our oil supply is secure and ethical...not conflict oil.

Most likley China will have it's own carrier in the Straight Of Hormuz in the future.

It's like a shift in world power is in the works.

It's all about feeding the war machine dude. Certain people don't make as much money buying the oil from you guys. The last thing the establishment of this country wants is peace. We built up a huge war machine during WII and the cold war. Outsourced our consumer manufacturing and all that's left is banking gimmicks and war.

I think you are right about China. In my opinion the plan was to make more money and weaken the US by outsourcing to China. I think the fat cats figured they would always have the upper military hand and could always keep China in line that way. I think they totally miscalculated how fast China would modernize it's military and technological base. I just think the big oil companies and banks thought as long as the US Dollar was the world's oil reserve currency, thet made them top dog. It's not that the US as a whole is corrupt but we have allowed some very bad people to get control of our government. I mean our government is winning no popularity contests right now and ignoring it's own laws. So we are in the wild west so to speak. I think it's just a bunch of old men pulling out all the stops trying to keep their power base because they are worried about losing it. I mean we could be on the transition of something very good or very bad. It's probably a situation if you put a bullet in the heads of the ten right people the problem would end.

[Nitro Express]

This is a few years old, but other than name changes where appropriate, it pretty much still fits what would happen if NuttyYahoo gets his wish......



You think the US economy's fucked now? Just picture what it would look like with $10/gallon gas.

Pray that you never have to find out.

Long-Term that might be a good thing. It would force us to finally get off oil. There already are farmers producing their own biodesiel from their rotation crops and harvesting their for profit crops using it. The neocons have been trying to start their war with Iran for years and something always gets in the way. Seems like a lot of fighting going on inside the government itself. The neocons don't control the whole government and for every move to attack Iran it seems like someone counters that move.

[Nickdfresh]

...a constant pain historically...

Is anyone else hoping they block the Strait of Hormuz to see what happens next?

Lets deal with these fuckers once and for all so we can get on with it.

Whose "we?"

[Nitro Express]

Iran. Iran so far away.

[Unchainme]

Iran isn't getting attacked just for shits and giggles, this isn't going to be like 9/11 where there's a national tragedy and we can go to war based on peoples fears. The economy is fucked and you're not going to get any fucking support for such a thing, so in FORD's scenario...that isn't happening..

NOW.

I could see, a "Sum of all Fears" scenario where we're drawn into war with them over the use of a Nuke planted somewhere and possibly those in charge rush to blame it on Iran, and then try to convince the rest of the world that it's linked back to them..but..that's doubtful.

Iran isn't carrying out an attack of some sorts though, there technology sucks and with much of the western world going "Hey you want help? go fuck yourself!" it's likely not going to be getting better.

So what you have is a borderline 3rd world country making threats based off their basteridized version of islam, with an increasingly fed up middle class Generation Y/Xers fed up with the theocracy (with access to the INTERNET! unlike North Korea) making it only a matter of time before this problem resolves itself.

[Unchainme]

Iran. Iran so far away.

[Nitro Express]

Let's not forget some of what was discovered through Wikileaks. The Saudis want Iran taken out. They would love to see it. They consider Iran a bigger enemy than Israel. I think it all has more to do with who controls the world's oil supply than religion or ideology. I used to have a neighbor from Egypt who was muslim and he once told me there was nothing in the middle east worth killing our kids over. I think much of the world has woken up to the fact that war is nothing more than a money making racket for some old men who do not have to fight in it. The best thing we could do to save the world would be to get off oil. Stop burning it up and save it for a chemical resource. It's more valuable for that than a fuel.

The media sells fear to scare people into backing the next money making war venture. Your kid or grand kid might get killed or maimed but your family won't see the loot made off of the war.

[Unchainme]

Which may go back to the point..

I can easily see the US kinda "Supporting" an Saudi effort on attacking the Iranians, while not actually doing any millitary action themselves. Considering the fact that they've just purchased a shit ton of jets from General Dynamics, that theory is not exactly out there.