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jhale667
03-09-2012, 08:52 PM
Pete from @iheartguitar just sent this to me on Twitter: "So, uh...this is available..." :lmao:

http://www.rig-talk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=112709


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SNIPER
03-10-2012, 12:24 AM
Man I wish I was rich. I really want this. Fuck!
ELVIS
03-10-2012, 03:47 AM
I've NEVER seen that guitar before...

Could be a fake...
ashstralia
03-10-2012, 04:07 AM
I've NEVER seen that guitar before...


what on earth would you need a guitar for, anyway? :)
sadaist
03-10-2012, 04:10 AM
I've NEVER seen that guitar before...

Could be a fake...


Hmm....I can't ramble off all of Eddies guitars like some of you can, but man...I wish this were real. I'd like to think the story & guitar are 100% authentic cause that would be so fucking cool!
sadaist
03-10-2012, 04:11 AM
what on earth would you need a guitar for, anyway? :)


Coffee table


http://www.goldharmonicas.com/images/uploads/Guitar_Table-Acoustic.jpg
ashstralia
03-10-2012, 04:21 AM
that limited run ed (fender?) made with the original reflectors, burn marks, and 1971 quarter was cool...

i'd love to be the guy in charge of maintaining them every couple of years.
Matt White
03-10-2012, 09:20 AM
I DO remember that guitar...from an early KRAMER ad..........


I'd buy it in a heartbeat!

http://alexplorer.net/guitar/guitars/classickramer10.jpg
jhale667
03-10-2012, 09:30 AM
I DO remember that guitar...from an early KRAMER ad..........


I'd buy it in a heartbeat!

http://alexplorer.net/guitar/guitars/classickramer10.jpg

Yep, I remember that ad too...I was still in high school and drooling over Kramers...that ad came out before I got my Voyager, I remember seeing it hanging in the only Kramer dealer in town's shop...


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ELVIS
03-10-2012, 10:18 AM
I DO remember that guitar...from an early KRAMER ad..........


I'd buy it in a heartbeat!



That's not that guitar...
dazzlindino
03-10-2012, 10:44 AM
That's not that guitar...

and you are not elvis......
Matt White
03-10-2012, 10:48 AM
That's not that guitar...

You Sir are correct!!!

Further inspection shows the 2 guitars are slightly different...................

assuming that this is indeed one of EVH's stock of old KRAMERS.....................I'd still like to see the price tag..........


would be a VERY cool fiddle to have....none the less
ELVIS
03-10-2012, 10:50 AM
Six figures...

And they are way more than "slightly different"...
sadaist
03-10-2012, 11:10 AM
That's not that guitar...

Nope.

But does anyone remember another pic of Eddie almost identical to the ad above, but he is wearing the 'No Bozos' shirt? That was my all time fav pic of Eddie.
ELVIS
03-10-2012, 11:17 AM
Yes, but still not the same guitar...
Zing!
03-10-2012, 11:51 AM
You would think Rudy would have mentioned this, but was this the guitar Ed used in the HFT vid?

I don't ever recall seeing the #28 before. Have to thumb through the Zloz books and see if it's there.
ELVIS
03-10-2012, 12:00 PM
You would think Rudy would have mentioned this, but was this the guitar Ed used in the HFT vid?



No, not at all...
Zing!
03-10-2012, 12:13 PM
Is there a definite timeline for when Ed began using/endorsing Kramer? I thought that was after the Diver Down tour but before the recording of 1984. The wiki article on it is kind of vague.

A chance encounter between Dennis Berardi and Eddie Van Halen's managers on an airplane flight set the foundation for Kramer's meteoric rise in the 1980s. Eddie was interested in a tremolo that stayed in tune, which the Rockinger system offered. A meeting between Eddie Van Halen and Kramer execs took place, and Eddie was sold. At the meeting, he reportedly quipped that he would help make Kramer the "#1 guitar company in the world."

By 1983 the Rockinger tremolo (sometimes dubbed "The Eddie Van Halen tremolo") had been widely replaced by the Floyd Rose system. In addition, Kramer once again offered Schaller tuners on their guitars, tapping Schaller to produce Floyd Rose tremolos as well. Kramer was the only guitar company offering Original Floyd Rose tremolos stock on their production guitars, a competitive advantage of Kramer over other guitar manufacturers of the period.

In late 1983 Kramer switched from the "beak" headstock design to the Gibson Explorer-like "banana" headstock design. This distinctive look also helped rank Kramer highly with guitar enthusiasts. One notable Kramer guitar was the Baretta model, which was a single-humbucker instrument similar to guitars Eddie Van Halen used on stage. The Kramer Baretta was the flagship of the Kramer line and helped popularize the single-pickup 1980s guitar design.

By late 1985 Kramer began installing Seymour Duncan pickups in its guitars, in favor over the more vintage-sounding Schaller pickups. When the sales figures came in, Kramer was the best-selling guitar brand of 1985.
ELVIS
03-10-2012, 12:20 PM
Ed began working with Kramer in 1982 when the Floyd was pretty much unique to Kramer...

The endorsements began in 1983...

The guitar in question does seem to be a period correct Kramer with a correct early Floyd...


:elvis:
VAiN
03-10-2012, 03:34 PM
If this is real, and I'm of the opinion that it is, holy shit what a cool piece! This was used to record 1984?! Incredible!! I'd play the shit out of that thing!!
Zing!
03-10-2012, 04:10 PM
I thought I might have a pic of the guitar in question taken at a Hard Rock about 15 years ago, but it's not the same. Still a cool pic though - even if it IS from the dark years ('86 according the sign).

First time my dumb ass has figured out how to upload a pic by the way.
sadaist
03-10-2012, 04:37 PM
I thought I might have a pic of the guitar in question taken at a Hard Rock about 15 years ago, but it's not the same. Still a cool pic though - even if it IS from the dark years ('86 according the sign).

First time my dumb ass has figured out how to upload a pic by the way.



The Hard Rock RESTAURANT in Vegas (across parking lot from the casino) has/had a DLR guitar. All sparkly & such. Was very cool. I took a pic of it but no idea where it is.
Mushroom
03-10-2012, 05:18 PM
Is it an Ed Roman replica?

http://http://www.edroman.com/guitars/kramer.htm (http://www.edroman.com/guitars/kramer.htm)
ELVIS
03-10-2012, 07:47 PM
If this is real, and I'm of the opinion that it is, holy shit what a cool piece! This was used to record 1984?! Incredible!! I'd play the shit out of that thing!!

It may have belonged to Ed, but if this was a guitar he actually used there would be a photo of it somewhere...

Ed used his Frankenstrat to record 1984 along with a Gibson Flying V on Hot for Teacher and that other guitar (I forget which one) for I'll Wait...

I have never heard of a Kramer being used for recording, and I (as have others) have followed this my whole life...

For now, I'm calling fake!


:elvis:
SNIPER
03-10-2012, 07:52 PM
It may have belonged to Ed, but if this was a guitar he actually used there would be a photo of it somewhere...

Ed used his Frankenstrat to record 1984 along with a Gibson Flying V on Hot for Teacher and that other guitar (I forget which one) for I'll Wait...

I have never heard of a Kramer being used for recording, and I (as have others) have followed this my whole life...

For now, I'm calling fake!


:elvis:

Eddie used the 5150 Kramer for Judgment Day. That's the only time I know of
ELVIS
03-10-2012, 07:56 PM
I meant on Van Halen...:biggrin:
SNIPER
03-10-2012, 08:00 PM
I meant on Van Halen...:biggrin:

I know bro. My bad.
SNIPER
03-10-2012, 08:02 PM
I have a picture that has all the Franks and this one is Not pictured.
Nitro Express
03-11-2012, 07:32 AM
Yep, I remember that ad too...I was still in high school and drooling over Kramers...that ad came out before I got my Voyager, I remember seeing it hanging in the only Kramer dealer in town's shop...


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The dumbest move I ever made was trading a beautiful Gibson Les Paul Custom for a Krammer. That Les Paul was a chunk but man did it sound great.
ashstralia
03-11-2012, 07:41 AM
that could be a whole other thread mate.

i reckon we've all let some beauties slip away...
jhale667
03-11-2012, 12:07 PM
The dumbest move I ever made was trading a beautiful Gibson Les Paul Custom for a Krammer. That Les Paul was a chunk but man did it sound great.

I loved the way my Voyager looked (which is why I held on to the body all these years) and it sounded OK, but the beak-headstock neck was like a baseball bat...the opposite of wood-inducing wood, had ditched it by like '86...

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jhale667
03-11-2012, 12:50 PM
Btw, new neck = schwing! :baaa:


http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h217/jhale667/Voyagerredone-1.jpg

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sadaist
03-11-2012, 01:36 PM
Nope.

But does anyone remember another pic of Eddie almost identical to the ad above, but he is wearing the 'No Bozos' shirt? That was my all time fav pic of Eddie.



My mistake. He wasn't holding a Frankie at all.

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR9j2f5AXtMHt0vTE0x_jM-yMzwU4Cf-g5ZKeSyQurhlNXmCN0D1tX8lqG3Fg


Maybe I was thinking of this one. But that's the original guitar.

http://www.halen.com/images/uploads/nobozos05a1.jpg
jhale667
03-11-2012, 01:46 PM
The 'No Bozos' ad sold tons of Barettas...

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sadaist
03-11-2012, 05:11 PM
The 'No Bozos' ad sold tons of Barettas...



Not me. My dream....damn dude maybe you remember this....all through 4 years of high school in the 80's I had that Charvel model line-up brochure in my back pocket. I want model #6! Shit, now I want model #3! I forget which one I mostly wanted, but it was white. Never did get it though :-(
ELVIS
03-11-2012, 10:27 PM
Those Charvels were not all that...

Neither were thr Kramers...
jhale667
03-12-2012, 09:41 AM
Not me. My dream....damn dude maybe you remember this....all through 4 years of high school in the 80's I had that Charvel model line-up brochure in my back pocket. I want model #6! Shit, now I want model #3! I forget which one I mostly wanted, but it was white. Never did get it though :-(

Totally remember. Those were the 1st Charvels made after they sold to IMC (same company that made...Hondos...ugh), and while they weren't complete crap, they paled in comparison to the USA Charvels. The Kramers wre kind of hit and miss too - some were ESP parts, some weren't.




:guitar:
ELVIS
03-12-2012, 02:42 PM
Edward's Kramers had ESP made necks...
Zing!
03-12-2012, 03:16 PM
The 'No Bozos' ad sold tons of Barettas...

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Yep - I bought one back in the day based on that ad alone. Wish I would have held on to it.
jhale667
03-12-2012, 04:31 PM
Yep - I bought one back in the day based on that ad alone. Wish I would have held on to it.

They were hit-and-miss too...one of my friends had one that was amazing, another friend got one shortly thereafter on which the bridge stud-mounting holes for the Floyd were drilled incorrectly - the thing was incapable of being intonated properly! Hell, even on my Voyager, which played fine, there was an out-of-the-box electronic error that somehow made it through QC...whoever wired it had dropped solder on the main wire bundle, had a nice short the first time I plugged it in...

Paul Unkert was building these (including the one in the OP, had ELBOW bothered to read the RT thread) for EVH, though so imagining they had none of the errors the ones off the line did.
ELVIS
03-12-2012, 04:49 PM
I read it...

They just were not spectacular guitars...

Neither are the frankie clones...

You don't need a spectacular guitar to be Eddie Van Halen...

You just need to be Eddie Van Halen !!


:elvis:
jhale667
03-12-2012, 04:57 PM
It's all in the fingers...
SNIPER
03-12-2012, 05:03 PM
Gimmi a used white Kramer stryker and a can of red spray paint, To go ! ... :hitch:
sadaist
03-12-2012, 05:04 PM
Those Charvels were not all that...




They were pretty cool to a 16 year old who's only guitar was a Hondo (Fender copy). Dang, I need to find that old brochure to jog my memory of which it was that I wanted so badly.




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Zing!
03-12-2012, 05:07 PM
They were hit-and-miss too...one of my friends had one that was amazing, another friend got one shortly thereafter on which the bridge stud-mounting holes for the Floyd were drilled incorrectly - the thing was incapable of being intonated properly! did.

I'll be the first to admit that I have no musical ability whatsoever - just liked to crank power chords and tap and pretend I was EVH. However - I sold that Kramer to a guitar playing buddy of mine, and out of all the guitars he's owned and played over the years, he still swears by that one. Says it played the best, felt the best, sounded the best out of all of them with the exception of his Les Paul. He sold it to another guitar playing buddy of ours, and HE said it's the still one of the best guitars he owns. I don't know shit from shinola when it comes to guitars, but I believe these guys know what they're talking about. It pretty much looked exactly like the white one Ed is holding in the picture above - still have a pic of it somewhere. I think somewhere along the line it got painted hot pink...
SNIPER
03-12-2012, 05:08 PM
Charvels ? Like the late 80's ones ?
sadaist
03-12-2012, 05:10 PM
I think this is it! Man that Model 6 in white still looks pretty fucking yummy to me. RAWR!!!


http://www.keithupson.com/images/inside.jpg
sadaist
03-12-2012, 05:11 PM
Oh damn. That's a big photo. LOL. Sorry.
SNIPER
03-12-2012, 05:18 PM
I had a red kramer beretta in mint condition back in 1990. It was fucking sweet. I got it for 200 bucks from some rich kid that did not know how to play. I had it for about a week, it got knocked over and the cool banana head stock broke off. Was bummed bad !! Easy come easy go I guess.
SNIPER
03-12-2012, 05:21 PM
I think this is it! Man that Model 6 in white still looks pretty fucking yummy to me. RAWR!!!


http://www.keithupson.com/images/inside.jpg


Yeah, I had a model 2 back in 1987-ish ...It really was a nice starter guitar.
SNIPER
03-12-2012, 05:28 PM
Wow, trip. I had the model 2 bass also. White, just like the one in the picture. That was my first bass. Again, great starter guitars.
SNIPER
03-12-2012, 05:29 PM
Elvis, what kind of rig do you use?
ELVIS
03-12-2012, 07:21 PM
Elvis, what kind of rig do you use?

ADA MP1 stereo into a Behringer V-amp on one channel and random analog effects on the other into a 1973 Super Lead Half Stack and a Fender Hot Rod Deluxe Stack, respectively...


:elvis:
sadaist
03-12-2012, 09:37 PM
Wow, trip. I had the model 2 bass also. White, just like the one in the picture. That was my first bass. Again, great starter guitars.

You play both? I tried to switch to bass when my guitar playing wasn't going so great. hey, 4 strings has got to be easier than 6 right? Umm...those fucking strings are HUGE! My fingers still hurt when I think about the week I borrowed a friends bass to see.
SNIPER
03-12-2012, 11:04 PM
You play both? I tried to switch to bass when my guitar playing wasn't going so great. hey, 4 strings has got to be easier than 6 right? Umm...those fucking strings are HUGE! My fingers still hurt when I think about the week I borrowed a friends bass to see.

Yes, although I play bass in bands I do have guitars and play and write a lot on the 6 strings. I also tend to play my bass a lot like a guitar because of that. To me they are the same. If you can play one you can play them both. I just like the bottom end and prefer bass. I have been playing for 27 years. Damn I am old. Ha!
SNIPER
03-12-2012, 11:04 PM
ADA MP1 stereo into a Behringer V-amp on one channel and random analog effects on the other into a 1973 Super Lead Half Stack and a Fender Hot Rod Deluxe Stack, respectively...


:elvis:

Bad ass !!!
jhale667
03-12-2012, 11:17 PM
Always figured those Charvel Model series Basses would make pretty cool fixer-uppers...the necks and bodies didn't suck, they just needed new pickups and hardware...

I was also checking out those close-up pics in the RT thread, and the whale-tail on that Floyd is seemingly ever-so slightly different than my circa-1983 Floyd...bonus points for a transitional model...lol

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Nitro Express
03-12-2012, 11:25 PM
I had a weird Floyd Rose where you fed the strings through the ends of the saddle pieces and then the string went over rollers. It had the fine tuners and looked pretty much like a Floyd but it didn't have the string clamps.
SNIPER
03-12-2012, 11:27 PM
If I remember right I think those had a crapy Floyd where the strings just slid through them and you didn't have tighten the string with alan wrench on the bridge. Kinda like the regular stock fender type bridges. (or was that the cheap Kramers?) ...And yeah the bass was a heavy duty beast would have been awesome to hot rod out.
SNIPER
03-12-2012, 11:29 PM
I had a weird Floyd Rose where you fed the strings through the ends of the saddle pieces and then the string went over rollers. It had the fine tuners and looked pretty much like a Floyd but it didn't have the string clamps.

Ha! yep. You beat me to it.
sadaist
03-13-2012, 06:12 AM
Yeah, I had a model 2 back in 1987-ish ...It really was a nice starter guitar.


That was the other choice I kept turning to. So sleek & clean looking especially in the pearl white (and 1/2 the price of the #6).
jhale667
03-13-2012, 10:27 AM
Those Floyd knockoffs sucked...:hee: OFRs only, please. ;)

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Zing!
03-13-2012, 09:53 PM
I had a weird Floyd Rose where you fed the strings through the ends of the saddle pieces and then the string went over rollers. It had the fine tuners and looked pretty much like a Floyd but it didn't have the string clamps.

Damn - I forgot all about that. Totally remember using an alan wrench on that. First thing my friend did who bought that guitar from me was change out the Floyd for a proper one.