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LoungeMachine
03-11-2012, 03:15 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-17330205

TIME TO BRING EVERYONE HOME AND GET OUT OF THERE

US soldier kills Afghan civilians in Kandahar

Tensions were already high in Afghanistan after the burning of Korans at a US base



A US soldier in Afghanistan has killed at least 16 civilians and wounded five after entering their homes in Kandahar province, senior local officials say.

He left his military base in the early hours of the morning and opened fire in at least two homes; women and children were among the dead.

Nato said it was investigating the "deeply regrettable incident".

Anti-US sentiment is already high in Afghanistan after US soldiers burnt copies of the Koran last month.

US officials have apologised repeatedly for the incident at a Nato base in Kabul, but they failed to quell a series of protests and attacks that killed at least 30 people and six US troops.

Local people have reportedly gathered near the base in Panjwai district to protest about Sunday's killings, and the US embassy is advising against travel to the area.

Lt Gen Adrian Bradshaw, deputy commander of Nato-led forces, said he was unable to "explain the motivation behind such callous acts", adding that "our thoughts and prayers are with those caught in this tragedy".

'Propaganda victory'
The soldier has not been named, but is thought to be a staff sergeant.


BBC's Quentin Sommerville: "This kind of rogue event is almost unknown in Afghanistan"
He is reported to have walked off his base at around 03:00 local time (22:30 GMT Saturday) and headed to nearby villages, moving methodically from house to house.

"Eleven members of my family are dead. They are all dead," Haji Samad, an elder from Najeeban village, told the AFP news agency.

Haji Sayed Jan, from Alkozai village, was quoted by the AFP as saying: "My home was attacked and I lost four family members".

A delegation from the provincial governor's office has arrived in the village to determine exactly what happened, a spokesman said.

The soldier - who had reportedly suffered a breakdown before the attacks - is said to have handed himself over to the US military authorities after carrying out the killings.

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Previous tension points

February 2012: Violent protests erupt after US troops inadvertently burn copies of the Koran at Bagram air base in Kabul. At least 30 are killed.
January 2012: US and UN officials describe a video clip of US marines urinating on dead Afghans as "disgusting" and "inhuman"
April 2011: US President Barack Obama describes March 2011 Koran burning by a radical US pastor as "intolerance and bigotry". The incident triggered protests which left at least 24 people dead in Afghanistan
April 2008: Dutch and Danish governments evacuate their embassies in Kabul after protests against cartoon of the Prophet Muhammad which was reprinted by Danish newspapers
The Nato-led International Security Assistance Force (Isaf) said in a statement that US officials in Afghanistan would work with their Afghan counterparts to investigate what happened.

This is the first time Afghan civilians have been targeted by foreign soldiers in this way, the BBC's Quentin Sommerville reports from Kabul.

However, a US soldier was convicted last year on three counts of premeditated murder after leading a rogue "kill team" in Afghanistan.

Before Sunday's killings, relations between international forces and the Afghan people were already at an all-time low following the accidental burning of the Koran by US soldiers last month, our correspondent adds.

A senior Afghan intelligence official called the latest attack a "propaganda victory for the Taliban".

Kandahar is the Taliban's spiritual heartland and is considered strategically important because of its international airport, its agricultural and industrial output and its position as one of the country's main trading hubs.


The province has seen heavy fighting between Nato and Taliban forces over the last five years.

Afghan President Hamid Karzai said in a speech on Sunday that his government still expects to sign a strategic partnership with the United States in the next couple of months.

In a televised speech, he said discussions would continue on the precise role the US will play in Afghanistan after Nato hands over security responsibility to Kabul at the end of 2014.

On Friday, Kabul and Washington reached a deal to transfer US-run prisons in the country to Afghan control.

Nitro Express
03-11-2012, 04:23 PM
Bin Laden is dead and Al Quaida is busted up. Time to declare victory and come home. Oh but big opium money is so hard to leave. And the lithium man. The lithium. If we leave the Chinese will come in and get it.

Nickdfresh
03-18-2012, 12:54 PM
LAKE TAPPS, Wash. (AP) — A diverging portrait of the Army sergeant accused of killing 16 Afghan villagers is emerging as records and interviews show a man appreciated by friends and family who won military commendations, yet one who faced professional disappointment, financial trouble and brushes with the law.

The deeper picture included details on how Robert Bales was bypassed for promotion, struggled to pay for his house and eyed a way out of his job at a Washington state military base months before he was accused of the horrific nighttime slaughter in two Afghanistan villages.

While Bales, 38, sat in an isolated cell at Fort Leavenworth, Kan.'s military prison Saturday, classmates and neighbors from suburban Cincinnati, Ohio, remembered him as a "happy-go-lucky" high school football player who took care of a special needs child and watched out for troublemakers in the neighborhood.

But court records and interviews show that the 10-year veteran — with a string of commendations for good conduct after four tours in Iraq and Afghanistan — had joined the Army after a Florida investment job went sour, had a Seattle-area home condemned, struggled to make payments on another and failed to get a promotion or a transfer a year ago.
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FORD
03-18-2012, 01:02 PM
Damn... in no way does this excuse what the guy did, but he sure sounds like a textbook example of every fucked up thing the last 30 years of fucked up policies have done to this country.

Unchainme
03-18-2012, 01:29 PM
Damn... in no way does this excuse what the guy did, but he sure sounds like a textbook example of every fucked up thing the last 30 years of fucked up policies have done to this country.

yup

time to get out of there.

binnie
03-19-2012, 03:00 AM
Only 4 replies?

I figured that this would be a huge talking point here.

I guess this ends any chance of 'building bridges' with the Afghan people (unless they let the Afghans try this guy, which isn't going to happen). My heart goes out to all of the families of those victims.

Nitro Express
03-19-2012, 03:19 AM
Do you honestly think the Afghans are going to see us any different than any other country or military that went in there and then left? I could never figure out why Soviet Union wanted to get in there but it's the drug trade. Who controls it makes a lot of money. It's been that way for centuries.

Also, most people don't like invading armies. It soon turns into yankee go home. It's really time to get the hell out of there.

Nitro Express
03-19-2012, 03:23 AM
Damn... in no way does this excuse what the guy did, but he sure sounds like a textbook example of every fucked up thing the last 30 years of fucked up policies have done to this country.

He should have hosed some Goldman Sachs executives instead. Honestly if an angry crowd dragged these banking fucks out and crucified and impaled them along the street I really could care less.

binnie
03-19-2012, 04:10 AM
That's civilisation for you..........