Stand Your Ground Doesn't Equal Neighborhood (Death Squad) Watch

[Nickdfresh]

Even Jeb Bush thinks this guy is a murdering piece of shit...

Jeb Bush: Stand Your Ground defense not valid in teen's death
7:56 PM, Mar. 23, 2012

Former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush says the “Stand Your Ground” law he signed shouldn’t protect a neighborhood watch captain who hasn’t been arrested in the shooting death of an unarmed teenager.

Bush spoke Friday at the University of Texas at Arlington, just outside Dallas. He told reporters afterward that the Florida law doesn’t apply in the incident that left 17-year-old Trayvon Martin dead. He says, “Stand your ground means stand your ground. It doesn’t mean chase after somebody who’s turned their back.”

The Dallas Morning News reports (http://dallasne.ws/GWMtOK ) that Bush, who signed the law in 2005, called Martin’s death a tragedy.

George Zimmerman shot and killed Martin in Sanford in February. Martin was walking back to the home of his father’s fiance.

Zimmerman says he acted in self-defense.

[jhale667]

"Stand your ground" does not mean "stalk and shoot". I find it infuriating that people (particularly one fucktard from the NRA) are trying to suggest that since Martin apparently fearful he was under attack, punched Zimmerman, thus "giving up his rights" and somehow deserving the application of lethal force! If some weirdo started following me home from the store I'd probably punch them too! Such bullshit - Zimmerman is clearly the aggressor and the one in the wrong here...those skittles weren't a WMD...

[Kristy]

"Stand your ground" does not mean "stalk and shoot". I find it infuriating that people (particularly one fucktard from the NRA) are trying to suggest that since Martin apparently fearful he was under attack, punched Zimmerman, thus "giving up his rights" and somehow deserving the application of lethal force! If some weirdo started following me home from the store I'd probably punch them too! Such bullshit - Zimmerman is clearly the aggressor and the one in the wrong here...those skittles weren't a WMD...

This goes beyond that in the sense where it took place - within a gated community where such elements of cloaked racism exist. For example, my roommate works at a hospital and last summer she and I went to a private party held by some lame doctor within such an environment and I can tell you for fact these people said the most vile, disgusting and disturbing racist jokes I've ever heard. I left early as a result. Now enter Zimmerman who was more or less a hired goon for such people. Was he being paid anything extra to keep out blacks and other undesirables? Ironic since Zimmerman is half Hispanic himself. The police department in this Florida shithole seem to be about as indifferent as it gets claiming Zimmerman had a right to "defend himself" for being pushed. Typical corrupt cop mentality most likely counting their blessing they patrol a gated community rather than place where they may actually have to do their fucking job. And of course it's murder, and of course the police feign ignorance claiming they "did not know" Zimmerman had a permit to carry a concealed weapon and really, who is in charge of screening such people for either racial or mental issues they may have? To me they are just as guilty when charges become filed - and they will come.

Some good news is that Zimmerman was kicked out of his shitty Seminole State College because the Dean there is smart enough to know he doesn't want this murdering douchebag anywhere near the campus. Maybe he can get some of his tuition money back and think about hiring a lawyer. Again, Zimmerman is a goon. I myself own a 9mm and know quite well the damage it can do to another defenseless human being; it has no place in a gated neighborhood watch program.

[FORD]

Jeb signed this piece of shit law into place, so he should take some of the blame. As should the KKKoch Brothers, whose lobbying group ALEC wrote it. And the NRA bastards who lobbied for it. And let's not leave out hate radio shitheads like Neal Boortz, who said on the air that he wanted to see streets "littered with dead thugs".

Or in other words, pretty much the entire right wing establishment should take the hit for this. And Zimmerman's racist ass needs to be in prison. If this rancid son of a bitch is not convicted of premeditated murder, I'm willing to bet that Florida (and probably other places) will break out in riots that make LA 1992 look like a Mormon church picnic, by comparison.

[chefcraig]

While I find it totally unacceptable for sociopath nitwits to actively stalk and gun down people that they "believe" to be a threat to them (which pretty much legalizes cold-blooded murder), I do not see how a law that allows one the freedom of shooting the living shit out of some "self-entitled-to-your-stuff" asshole in your own home needs to be repealed.

Was this a case of the former, or did this kid make a habit out of harassing the shooter everyday for the past 5 years or so by knocking on his door or windows, just to be annoying? Trust me, I've lived in enough apartments to know that children can be incredibly moronic pains in the ass over a perceived slight, and will do such things daily out of habit. Possibly the shooter finally had enough.

Not that the decision justifies the outcome. It was totally senseless, and to wrap one's self up in a defense of "fearing for my life" is utter bullshit. By the same token, eradicating a law that allows you to protect yourself and your property from some pieces of shit too lazy or undereducated enough to get a job, yet feel they have a privileged and inalienable right to steal your stuff is just plain bonkers. This case has been botched by incompetence and stupidity from the beginning. I mean come on, if the boneheads playing for the Miami Heat can see this, you know for sure it's a colossal fuck-up.


http://img1.imagehousing.com/91/bde14dddf2bae819fafd76ccc5660499.jpg (http://www.imagehousing.com/image/986263)

But it's always the same tired scene on the television: After some craphead that had a lengthy police record for crimes like theft, larceny, car-stealing, drug trafficking or rape is shot dead somewhere, we immediately see the weeping mother ("My baby is an Angel! He do no wrong!") and outraged relatives demanding justice. Ummm, where is the justice for the victims of their now-dead brother's efforts?

Sorry if that sounds harsh friends and neighbors, but it's a harsh fucking world today. And come the time you yourself become a victim of senseless, self-entitled crime by some knuckle-dragging asshole, you'll agree with me. I'm not saying "Kill 'em all and let God sort 'em out." But I am saying that if some dogshit crosses your path or enters your home, threatening you, your family and/or all you have busted your ass to attain, you should have the complete freedom to plant their face on the sidewalk with a good, steady aim.

[Kristy]

And Zimmerman's racist ass needs to be in prison. If this rancid son of a bitch is not convicted of premeditated murder.

I agree. Even though he won't survive the first day being there.


Which really isn't a bad thing.

[FORD]

Yeah, that's true. He won't make any friends in prison. Usually shooting a black kid in cold blood would probably guarantee you a pass from the "Aryan Brotherhood" prison gangs, but if you're a half-Cuban with a Jewish last name, probably not.

[Unchainme]

Wasn't there a guy who killed jeffrey dahmer and this other guy who tried to pin the death of his wife on black kids, but it turns out it was him,?

can't help but think this would happen here as well.

[Nitro Express]

The shooter looks kind of like Chaz Bono.

Just give your security guard a big bottle of Pepe Sanchez super duper hot pepper spray. That way if he fucks up the worst that can happen is someone rolls on the ground in agonizing pain but they are still alive.

I think the people who should be shot are the political fucks who will make a bad situation worse and fan the flames for their own political agendas.

[FORD]

Dahmer got killed most likely because some of the guys he invited over for dinner were underage. Even convicts hate pedophiles. One of the kiddie diddler priests met a similar fate.

[ODShowtime]

I'll tell you one thing. I'm staying the FUCK out of my neighbors yards! I am now afraid to be aggressive with anyone for any reason; they can just blast me and that's it.

The story of the one guy who almost died from a stand-your-ground case who now lives in Hawaii is terrifying. He got into an argument with his neighbor and got wasted. The guy stood over him calling him names while he bled and never even called 9-11. To this day the shooter says the guy got what he deserved. I hate everyone and all of that but damn that's cold blooded. I know there are thousands of people around me who would kill me and not think twice. Florida is crazy man. But it's nice out.

[Nitro Express]

Even in Wyoming if you shoot someone outside of your home you have a bunch of legal problems. If you shoot an invader inside your home it's different. Lawmakers know there are lot's of businesses to rob and the type of criminal who enters homes is usually looking for something else besides just loot. Once you are outside you are in a whole new realm. I always figured if my life was in danger dealing with the legal system would be better than being dead. You only shoot if it's life threatening and you have no escape. It's the last resort.

[Nitro Express]

I really don't see why this story is getting the coverage it is. Kids get shot all the time. Sadly. I guess it's not your typical gang shooting or even school shooting. Someone has a political agenda to push with this one because of where it happened.

[chi-town324]

here in Chicago a 6 year old little girl was shot and killed accidentally last week by a gang member who's aim was off. Just as tragic if not more. But its was a black on black crime...somehow we are all( every race) just more accepting of that..which is just so wrong.

[Nickdfresh]

Even in Wyoming if you shoot someone outside of your home you have a bunch of legal problems. If you shoot an invader inside your home it's different. Lawmakers know there are lot's of businesses to rob and the type of criminal who enters homes is usually looking for something else besides just loot. Once you are outside you are in a whole new realm. I always figured if my life was in danger dealing with the legal system would be better than being dead. You only shoot if it's life threatening and you have no escape. It's the last resort.

Maybe the most sensible thing you've ever posted...

[adena dodds]

Listen, in the end of the world it's going to be brother against brother, priest against priest, bishop against bishop, etc.etc. At least my sister gave me the heads up 46 yrs. ago or at least a taste of it. Little did she know but she prepared me for more than just life itself but death as well. You cannot change the word of God. It's all part of the plan, we just have to be ready at any given time. And I'm ready and waiting. It's amazing that I could be actually living during the end times. It's quite fascinating and exciting for me personally. The Lords words are the only truth left in this passing world. Alleulia!
here in Chicago a 6 year old little girl was shot and killed accidentally last week by a gang member who's aim was off. Just as tragic if not more. But its was a black on black crime...somehow we are all( every race) just more accepting of that..which is just so wrong.

[adena dodds]

And besides, The Lord knows that my dog isn't going to put up with us being apart for much longer.....I hate to say it, but my dog is running the switch boards up there for God only to make sure that he gets me dirrectly to him safe and sound with no distractions in our way. He's put his paw down so to speak. Unfortunatly my dog rules....sorry God....After all you're the one who made him specifically (customized) just for me and I know it was for a damn good reason. Thank you God. I love you Brue. See you all soon, I hope! Just shoot me! ha,ha,ha! See if I care...It would be doing all of the rest of humanity a little favor, and they will all be able to rest a little easier, rest assured. And so will I, trust me.
Listen, in the end of the world it's going to be brother against brother, priest against priest, bishop against bishop, etc.etc. At least my sister gave me the heads up 46 yrs. ago or at least a taste of it. Little did she know but she prepared me for more than just life itself but death as well. You cannot change the word of God. It's all part of the plan, we just have to be ready at any given time. And I'm ready and waiting. It's amazing that I could be actually living during the end times, quite fascinating and exciting. The Lords words are the only truth in this passing world. Alleulia!

[Va Beach VH Fan]

Don't touch that dial....

http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/dpp/news/state/witness-martin-attacked-zimmerman-03232012

Witness: Martin attacked Zimmerman
Updated: Friday, 23 Mar 2012, 6:19 PM EDT
Published : Friday, 23 Mar 2012, 5:47 PM EDT

ORLANDO - A witness we haven't heard from before paints a much different picture than we've seen so far of what happened the night 17-year-old Trayvon Martin was shot and killed.

The night of that shooting, police say there was a witness who saw it all.

Our sister station, FOX 35 in Orlando, has spoken to that witness.

What Sanford Police investigators have in the folder, they put together on the killing of Trayvon Martin few know about.

The file now sits in the hands of the state attorney. Now that file is just weeks away from being opened to a grand jury.

It shows more now about why police believed that night that George Zimmerman shouldn't have gone to jail.

Zimmerman called 911 and told dispatchers he was following a teen. The dispatcher told Zimmerman not to.

And from that moment to the shooting, details are few.

But one man's testimony could be key for the police.

"The guy on the bottom who had a red sweater on was yelling to me: 'help, help…and I told him to stop and I was calling 911," he said.

Trayvon Martin was in a hoodie; Zimmerman was in red.

The witness only wanted to be identified as "John," and didn't not want to be shown on camera.

His statements to police were instrumental, because police backed up Zimmerman's claims, saying those screams on the 911 call are those of Zimmerman.

"When I got upstairs and looked down, the guy who was on top beating up the other guy, was the one laying in the grass, and I believe he was dead at that point," John said.

Zimmerman says the shooting was self defense. According to information released on the Sanford city website, Zimmerman said he was going back to his SUV when he was attacked by the teen.

Sanford police say Zimmerman was bloody in his face and head, and the back of his shirt was wet and had grass stains, indicating a struggle took place before the shooting.

[FORD]

Of course, it would be a FAUX Noize station. Anonymous witness named "John". Oh yeah, that just reeks of credibility.....

Well.... actually it smells more like Kerosene from here. I'll bet "John" wears hoods too.....

http://www.bilerico.com/2010/10/kkk.jpg

[Va Beach VH Fan]

Of course, it would be a FAUX Noize station. Anonymous witness named "John". Oh yeah, that just reeks of credibility.....

Well.... actually it smells more like Kerosene from here. I'll bet "John" wears hoods too.....

Actually, if you click on the link, they have an interview with him, although you can't see him behind his door....

[gbranton]

According to information released on the Sanford city website, Zimmerman said he was going back to his SUV when he was attacked by the teen.

Sanford police say Zimmerman was bloody in his face and head, and the back of his shirt was wet and had grass stains, indicating a struggle took place before the shooting.

Interesting.

I also like the photos supplied by his family of Travon.....taken when he was 12 or so. One photo supplied shows him in a football uniform with a Bulldogs logo on it. That was from JUNIOR HIGH. The team at the school he attended was the "Dr. Michael M. Krop Senior High School LIGHTNING". At age 17 the average student hasn't seen the inside of a middle school in four or five years. The race baiters and shit stirrers are doing everything possible to make him look sweet and innocent.

[Va Beach VH Fan]

I don't have a dog in this fight.

But it would be nice to wait until ALL of the evidence is presented before making judgments.....

[ODShowtime]

Of course, it would be a FAUX Noize station.

Dude it's the local news for the Fox affiliate in the area, not FoxNews.


And this story still doesn't add up yet.

[chi-town324]

yea i want to hear all the facts as well..but Zimmerman went looking for trouble...and he found it

[FORD]

Dude it's the local news for the Fox affiliate in the area, not FoxNews.


And this story still doesn't add up yet.

But it was this very same FAUX Tampa affiliate who went to court to win their "right" to lie. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jane_Akre) So anything you hear on that station is automatically suspect.

As for the case itself, Zimmerman was heard on the 911 calls calling Martin a "fucking coon", saying he looked like he was suspicious, because he was black and wore a fucking hooded sweatshirt, and made other comments like "THEY always get away with it" and that Martin was "high on drugs" (Yeah that lethal combination of Skittles and ice tea).

So racist douchebag is stalking a guy...IF that guy turns around and beat the crap out of him, he would have been justified in doing so. But that's a big IF. And I'm not convinced by an anonymous witness on a TV station known for lying. Either way, it's still murder. Whatever the situation was, Zimmerman started it.

[gbranton]

I don't have a dog in this fight.

The only dog I have in this fight is that I'm tired of seeing this same cycle of shit in the news. These days when a person of color gets killed or makes an accusation against a white/rich/conservative/religious person, before the facts can come out the lynch mob is ON while it happens the other way 100 times a day and there is no outrage. The Duke lacrosse team raped a black girl, Gabrielle Giffords was shot by a conservative nut job, and on, and on, and ON. Jesse, Al and their scumbag ilk show up, comfort the victims and call whites folks devils and the media runs with it.

Racism IS a problem in our country but where I live I see all types of racism and other assorted ignorance but I see a lot more racist attitudes aimed at me simply because I'm white than anything else. I get treated like shit in this town almost EVERY DAY for nothing more than the crime of having been born white. Why? See above for a big reason. The media, Jessie and Al have made a fortune off of the race baiting game but when it all comes down to it they leave the world much more divided and much less well off than when they found it. Fuck 'em all I say......

[kwame k]

I don't have a dog in this fight.

But it would be nice to wait until ALL of the evidence is presented before making judgments.....


I agree.....right now it's a, "he said, she said", thing. Let's see what the facts are first.

[chi-town324]

talk about striking while the iron is hot....i just looked on Facebook and someone has an ad for a hoodie for your iPhone...WOW

[Nitro Express]

I don't have a dog in this fight.

But it would be nice to wait until ALL of the evidence is presented before making judgments.....

I'm pissed off at the media and press for making this situation worse. The death of some kid is being politicized into something else. All of these people making judgements were not there, they don't know the facts, it's becoming political. It's just dumb.

[Nitro Express]

talk about striking while the iron is hot....i just looked on Facebook and someone has an ad for a hoodie for your iPhone...WOW

Ok. So people selling hoodies and Etch-A-Sketches are going to make more money. The world has really gone mad. It's off it's fucking nut. At least the Obama chia head is out of style now.

[Nitro Express]

I think Geraldo Revera and Al Sharpton dart boards would sell pretty good. Hey, make money off both sides.

[FORD]

I'm sure the M&M/Mars candy company (makers of Skittles) are making some money off this too, though they aren't deliberately marketing it, thank God! Yet all the protest rallies I've heard of across the country have featured people wearing hoodies and carrying bags of Skittles. Looks like iced tea too.....

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/MSNBC/Components/Photo/_new/100321-skittles-hmed-723p.photoblog600.jpg

[ELVIS]

Usually shooting a black kid in cold blood

How in the fuck do you know that's the case ??

Jessie Jackson tell you that while Obama was sucking your dick ??

[ELVIS]

Racism IS a problem in our country

That's total fucking BULLSHIT, you dumbass...

The only reason racism is alive is because the bullshit corporate media keeps it alive and fuckfaces like you believe it...


:elvis:

[Kristy]

The only reason racism is alive is because the bullshit corporate media keeps it alive...

And people like you.

[hambon4lif]

And people like you.Abso-fuckin-total-lutely!!

It's funny how quickly his 'selective amnesia' kicked in as to why he had to get on his knees and throat Sarges cock in the first place.

Hypocrite motherfucker!

[FORD]

How in the fuck do you know that's the case ??

Jessie Jackson tell you that while Obama was sucking your dick ??

He stalked the kid, called him a FUCKING COON, and murdered him. That's how I know.

[sadaist]

The Earth is racist. Stupid thing put all the yellow people in one place, brown in another, black in another, white in another....................can't we all just get along?

[Angel]

That's total fucking BULLSHIT, you dumbass...

The only reason racism is alive is because the bullshit corporate media keeps it alive and fuckfaces like you believe it...


:elvis:

No, it's alive because we live in a society where "we", the whites, automatically have more power and privilege based on the colour of our skin, making us the dominant society. It's a ridiculous, archaic, ethno-centric stance that has caused more human anguish than anything else in the history of mankind.

Having two jobs, plus University, plus my theatre and film interests, I guarantee you I have no time to watch TV to be able to be influenced by any corporate media.

Racism exists because assholes like you exist.

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[sadaist]

Anyways, Geraldo Mustachio yesterday said the hoodie was as equal to blame as the guy with the gun. Umm.....


When Im playing slots at the casino I like to pull my hoodie up for several reasons. The AC is blowing on me, and it kinda quiets my surroundings a little & blocks out all the casino chaos and drunk people screaming about. I can kinda zone out with my coffee, smokes & keno machine. I also like to wear it when it's cold, at night, or sometimes when at the computer. Just kinda cozy in there. So? Does that make me a criminal and 50% responsible for someone shooting me?

Fucking idiot Geraldo. Fucking hate that guy.

[FORD]

The Earth is racist. Stupid thing put all the yellow people in one place, brown in another, black in another, white in another....................can't we all just get along?

I like the Hopi teaching on that one.....

They believe the Creator made humankind in four colors and sent them to 4 different parts of the Earth, giving each of them a piece of the Truth, and that it was their job to find each other and put it all together.

Obviously we're not there yet :(

http://movingredcanoe.net/images/medicine_wheelMRC.jpg

[sadaist]

I like the Hopi teaching on that one.....

They believe the Creator made humankind in four colors and sent them to 4 different parts of the Earth, giving each of them a piece of the Truth, and that it was their job to find each other and put it all together.

Obviously we're not there yet :(

http://movingredcanoe.net/images/medicine_wheelMRC.jpg


Whoa dude. Never heard that. That's pretty bitchin. And no, we aren't anywhere close. But it isn't all the fault of 1 of those colors.

[gbranton]

No, it's alive because we live in a society where "we", the whites, automatically have more power and privilege based on the colour of our skin, making us the dominant society.


I guarantee you I have no time to watch TV to be able to be influenced by any corporate media.

:lmao::lmao::lmao:

You must NOT have much time to pay any attention to the world around you. Because if you turned on the television or the radio or watched a movie or opened a magazine you would see that America's top athletic stars, top entertainers and hell even the President is BLACK. They influence every piece of entertainment we watch, our language, EVERYTHING. They are held up in popular culture as being far cooler than we are and in fact have carte blanche to make fun of and denigrate whites any way they please to reinforce that notion.

[sadaist]

No, it's alive because we live in a society where "we", the whites, automatically have more power and privilege based on the colour of our skin, making us the dominant society. It's a ridiculous, archaic, ethno-centric stance that has caused more human anguish than anything else in the history of mankind.



Wow Angel. That is some serious pigmentation guilt you are carrying around. I'm just going to say that I believe you are dead wrong with your thoughts here. I'll leave it at that.

[Dr. Love]

Wow Angel. That is some serious pigmentation guilt you are carrying around. I'm just going to say that I believe you are dead wrong with your thoughts here. I'll leave it at that.

That's a lot of words to basically say she's Canadian.

[hambon4lif]

That's a lot of words to basically say she's Canadian.That's exactly what I was thinking while they were slamming her about it.

Perspectives....

[ELVIS]

And people like you.

Fuck you, bitch!

[sadaist]

Inappropriate joke time? (only cause the groan button is gone)




Yo momma is sooo fat.....


she stepped on some Skittles & a rainbow popped out.

[ELVIS]

Abso-fuckin-total-lutely!!

It's funny how quickly his 'selective amnesia' kicked in as to why he had to get on his knees and throat Sarges cock in the first place.

Hypocrite motherfucker!

And fuck your momma!


:mad2:

[ELVIS]

Inappropriate joke time? (only cause the groan button is gone)




Yo momma is sooo fat.....




she stepped on some Skittles & a rainbow popped out.


Yeah ??

These racist motherfuckers mommas are so fucking fat they fucking DIED!

And you know what ??

FUCK 'EM !!


:mad2:

[ELVIS]

Wow Angel. That is some serious pigmentation guilt you are carrying around. I'm just going to say that I believe you are dead wrong with your thoughts here. I'll leave it at that.

Just call her a fucking whore of society and get it over with...

[ELVIS]

Obviously we're not there yet :(



There is no "there" to get to...

Drop the fucking liberal BULLSHIT and be yourself!!!


:elvis:

[FORD]

Here's a reminder of who needs to share some blame for this shit..... reich wing lunatic Neil Boortz.....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HI-4wY9ZOL8

[FORD]

There is no "there" to get to...

Drop the fucking liberal BULLSHIT and be yourself!!!


:elvis:

I thought you believed in God, Nurse Presley?

God almighty, creator of the HUMAN race. Not just the "white" race.

I thought you believed in Jesus Christ, who said "This is My commandment, that you love one another" and "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you".

Would you want to get shot walking home from a store with a fucking bag of Skittles in your hand?

[Angel]

That's a lot of words to basically say she's Canadian.

LMAO. Pretty much. Of course, I am speaking of Canadian society. Specifically, our attitudes towards First Nations peoples.

Can you tell I'm a Social Work major minoring in Indigenous Studies?

I shouldn't come to the Front Line when I'm in the process of writing a paper on the social works contributions to cultural genocide in Canadian history.

And Elvis...go fuck yourself, you limp dick.

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[sadaist]

Would you want to get shot walking home from a store with a fucking bag of Skittles in your hand?


Would be better than some Necco wafers in my hand. Who the fuck even eats those things?

[ELVIS]

I thought you believed in God, Nurse Presley?

I do, and I'm no longer a nurse. FUCK government sickcare...

God almighty, creator of the HUMAN race. Not just the "white" race.

It's you that doesn't believe in the Biblical God..

I thought you believed in Jesus Christ, who said "This is My commandment, that you love one another" and "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you".

I do. What does that have to do with a case where neither you nor I know what happened...

Would you want to get shot walking home from a store with a fucking bag of Skittles in your hand?

Oh, there is a store in the neighborhood in question ??




:elvis:

[FORD]

Would be better than some Necco wafers in my hand. Who the fuck even eats those things?

I know I haven't eaten them since the 70s. Didn't even realize they still made the damn things. Think I bought them by accident thinking they were like SweetTarts or BottleCaps or whatever. Not even close :sick0020:

[ELVIS]

And Elvis...go fuck yourself, you limp dick.

Sent from my fucking fat ass!

No, fuck you, you fucking social retarted piece of fat fucking shit!!!

Fuck you and your "indigenous studies."

There is no market for such bullshit!

The only reason you're qualified for social work is because you failed at flipping burgers...

Fuck OFF!!!


:mad2:

[hambon4lif]

Would you want to get shot walking home from a store with a fucking bag of Skittles in your hand?As much as ELVIS hates 'colors', that would never happen. The only thing he welcomes into his mouth and down his throat are wet 'white' pearls....:blow:

[ELVIS]

Keep it up bitch...

[Dr. Love]

LMAO. Pretty much. Of course, I am speaking of Canadian society. Specifically, our attitudes towards First Nations peoples.

Can you tell I'm a Social Work major minoring in Indigenous Studies?

I shouldn't come to the Front Line when I'm in the process of writing a paper on the social works contributions to cultural genocide in Canadian history.

And Elvis...go fuck yourself, you limp dick.

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That's a lot of words to basically say you're a nerd. ;)

[ELVIS]

That's a lot of words to basically say you're a stupid, fat fucking bitch living off the socalist government dole. ;)

I agree...


:elvis:

[sadaist]

Well I'm out for the night. I have tried to derail this thread a couple times now & stop the fighting to no avail. Have fun guys. See ya in the a.m.

[ELVIS]

Whathefuckever...

[Jesus Christ]

Gregory, ye seem to be full of much hatred tonight. Thou art not acting much like My disciple. :(

[ashstralia]

his 'wife' probly found her glasses and realized what he looks like and left.

[Angel]

Keep it up bitch...

Or what?

Boy, the limp dick comment must have really hit home...

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[Angel]

I agree...


:elvis:

Damn Elvis, where can I get some of this socialist government dole you speak of? I could quit one of my jobs!



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[Nickdfresh]

I'm pissed off at the media and press for making this situation worse. The death of some kid is being politicized into something else. All of these people making judgements were not there, they don't know the facts, it's becoming political. It's just dumb.

Situation worse? If the media hadn't reported on this, there would be no grand jury investigation in what is a potential murder and the whole thing would be hushed-up by parochial redneck cops...

[Nitro Express]

I like the Hopi teaching on that one.....

They believe the Creator made humankind in four colors and sent them to 4 different parts of the Earth, giving each of them a piece of the Truth, and that it was their job to find each other and put it all together.

Obviously we're not there yet :(

http://movingredcanoe.net/images/medicine_wheelMRC.jpg

Depends who you listen to and who you are. I've seen all four get along just fine. The media and politicians will say it's not happening but hang with the more enlightened people and you will see it happening all the time. Only the people with small minds remain prejudice now.

[Nitro Express]

Situation worse? If the media hadn't reported on this, there would be no grand jury investigation in what is a potential murder and the whole thing would be hushed-up by parochial redneck cops...

How do you know? Were you there? You are making assumptions.

[Nickdfresh]

That's total fucking BULLSHIT, you dumbass...

The only reason racism is alive is because the bullshit corporate media keeps it alive and fuckfaces like you believe it...


:elvis:

What is almost funny if it weren't sorta sad is how you are so enamored by libertarianism and bullshit conspiracy theories; yet you believe a black kid deserved to be shot for walking through the wrong neighborhood...

[Nickdfresh]

How do you know? Were you there? You are making assumptions.

I'm making assumptions? You're the one that wished it were hushed up and the evil 'media' never got a hold of it! "How do I know?" Fuck you! How do YOU know?

[Jesus Christ]

I know. Will ye take My word for it?

[Nickdfresh]

I will...

[ashstralia]

i'll tell you all something for nothing. if greg carries on in public like he does here, he wouldn't last 5 minutes in an aussie pub before he had some free dental work.

if i owned the site, i would never have allowed him back, as his postings have nothing whatsoever to do with the ethos of what classic =VH= and DLR stand for.

i'm not knocking sarge for his magnanimous decision, a better man most probably is hard to find. you'd think greg would treat his second(?) chance with a little more respect.

now... if the shooter DIDN'T act in self defense then the full force of the law should apply.

*rant off*

[ELVIS]

i'll tell you all something for nothing. if greg carries on in public like he does here, he wouldn't last 5 minutes in an aussie pub before he had some free dental work.

if i owned the site, i would never have allowed him back, as his postings have nothing whatsoever to do with the ethos of what classic =VH= and DLR stand for.

i'm not knocking sarge for his magnanimous decision, a better man most probably is hard to find. you'd think greg would treat his second(?) chance with a little more respect.

*rant off*

Dude, fuck off!

BTW, please explain the "ethos of classic =VH="

And while you're at it, check out this smiley...


:mad2:

[sadaist]

I for one am glad E is back. He spices shit up around here and is great at getting everyones panties in a bunch. A lot of you are at your best when you are channeling your hate. It makes for much more interesting threads than 40 posts of "I agree". But yeah, he has some pretty hardcore views on certain issues that many either don't agree with....or won't admit to agreeing with.

Plus....how fun is it to be saying "Fuck you Elvis!" again? That never gets old.

[sadaist]

wouldn't last 5 minutes in an aussie pub before he had some free dental work.



Free dental work?


You motherfucking socialist pinko commies!

;)

[Va Beach VH Fan]

:lmao::lmao::lmao:

You must NOT have much time to pay any attention to the world around you. Because if you turned on the television or the radio or watched a movie or opened a magazine you would see that America's top athletic stars, top entertainers and hell even the President is BLACK. They influence every piece of entertainment we watch, our language, EVERYTHING. They are held up in popular culture as being far cooler than we are and in fact have carte blanche to make fun of and denigrate whites any way they please to reinforce that notion.

Valid points, but I'm sure you'd also concur with the fact that it goes both ways.....

And in Angel's defense, she's Canadian.... And there may not be a friendlier nation of people on this earth than Canadians, IMO....

[Va Beach VH Fan]

i'll tell you all something for nothing. if greg carries on in public like he does here, he wouldn't last 5 minutes in an aussie pub before he had some free dental work.

if i owned the site, i would never have allowed him back, as his postings have nothing whatsoever to do with the ethos of what classic =VH= and DLR stand for.

i'm not knocking sarge for his magnanimous decision, a better man most probably is hard to find. you'd think greg would treat his second(?) chance with a little more respect.

now... if the shooter DIDN'T act in self defense then the full force of the law should apply.

*rant off*

Let's ease off with the first names, please.....

[ELVIS]

I for one am glad E is back. He spices shit up around here and is great at getting everyones panties in a bunch. A lot of you are at your best when you are channeling your hate. It makes for much more interesting threads than 40 posts of "I agree". But yeah, he has some pretty hardcore views on certain issues that many either don't agree with....or won't admit to agreeing with.

Plus....how fun is it to be saying "Fuck you Elvis!" again? That never gets old.

I don't know if I should kick your ass or hit the Thanks button...:biggrin:

[knuckleboner]

:lmao::lmao::lmao:

You must NOT have much time to pay any attention to the world around you. Because if you turned on the television or the radio or watched a movie or opened a magazine you would see that America's top athletic stars, top entertainers and hell even the President is BLACK. They influence every piece of entertainment we watch, our language, EVERYTHING. They are held up in popular culture as being far cooler than we are and in fact have carte blanche to make fun of and denigrate whites any way they please to reinforce that notion.

dude. today, more than 25% of republicans in mississippi think that interracial marriages should be ILLEGAL. we are not to complete racial harmony just yet...

[ELVIS]

dude. today, more than 25% of republicans in mississippi think that interracial marriages should be ILLEGAL.

Do you have a link for that ??

[Va Beach VH Fan]

Do you have a link for that ??

I think this is it...

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2011/11/mississippi-voters-on-a-variety-of-topics.html

[knuckleboner]

I think this is it...

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2011/11/mississippi-voters-on-a-variety-of-topics.html

works for me. thanks, VA.

and ELVIS, is that enough to get you to say that, while it in no way describes all republicans, that there are a lot of fucked up people in mississippi?

[sadaist]

I don't know if I should kick your ass


But he is just an innocent bystander.

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[Nickdfresh]

I for one am glad E is back. He spices shit up around here and is great at getting everyones panties in a bunch.....

Like vinegar spices a douchebag...

[Nitro Express]

I had a good laugh when I read over at another VH site someone said the Roth Army was full of a bunch of bitter communists.

[kwame k]

I always thought we were disillusioned Taoists;)

[Nitro Express]

I thought we were just a bunch of drunken perverts.

[guwapo_rocker]

I thought we were just a bunch of drunken perverts.

Show us your tits......oh wait!

[kwame k]

I thought we were just a bunch of drunken perverts.

If you add........"Who don't give a fuck", then you're right back to being a Taoist;)

[gbranton]

Valid points, but I'm sure you'd also concur with the fact that it goes both ways......

Absolutely. Like I said in my earlier post, I experience it almost every day. I think it should be kosher for people on BOTH sides to speak their mind, not just one point of view or nothing at all.

[FORD]

It's 2012 for fucks sake. Why the fuck can't people get over their bigoted bullshit already?

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[Headly1984]

it torques me that this incident is being portrayed as a white on black violence

- every other night in my city there are black on black shootings over drugs or territory - but oh well right ?

this shooter guy has a jewish/white sounding last name,zimmerman- so of course even tho he is hispanic and mentor to black kids, and has black neighbors and family members that vouch he isn't racist - it is still somehow a white's are racist issue ... ugh (ever notice how well blacks and jews get along in cities?- who hates who ??)

- the hoodie - I see white kids and black kids wearing hoodies when they are driving - that is nutz

this hoodie cause is ridiculous - the miami heat and other groups having hoodie rally's are misguided idiots

- I hate seeing groups of kids all wearing baggy jeans, white over sized t's and black hoodies walk down my street - if - if something bad were to happen what do you say - uh one of the kids wearing baggy pants, over sized white t shirt and black hoodie is the one who did it ? great - thug uniform ???

ok - that will help leo's find a perp - that is why idiots dress like thugs, they are either thugs or thug wanna be's

this stupid failure to report news properly is going to create hate violence against whites ala Rodney King

the shooter wasn't white - the kid isn't the 12 y/o in the pictures being published and all the facts have not been released - but why ruin a good race baited story with facts - seems blacks are looking for a good reason to hate on whitey - so have hoodie rallies and vilify whites as racist - even tho the president is black, top entertainers are black - police forces are integrated, affirmative action is still alive

oh yeah, tonight there will be more black on black violence in my city - but that is gang related and societies fault that their is a break down in minority and economically challenged families in neighborhoods that are predominantly minority or mixed race - ugh - media makes me sick

but for now - lets just agree whites are bad, & blacks are victims who need protection from white & institutional racism

[Nitro Express]

If you add........"Who don't give a fuck", then you're right back to being a Taoist;)

That helps you find your inner chi?

[Nitro Express]

it torques me that this incident is being portrayed as a white on black violence

- every other night in my city there are black on black shootings over drugs or territory - but oh well right ?

this shooter guy has a jewish/white sounding last name,zimmerman- so of course even tho he is hispanic and mentor to black kids, and has black neighbors and family members that vouch he isn't racist - it is still somehow a white's are racist issue ... ugh (ever notice how well blacks and jews get along in cities?- who hates who ??)

- the hoodie - I see white kids and black kids wearing hoodies when they are driving - that is nutz

this hoodie cause is ridiculous - the miami heat and other groups having hoodie rally's are misguided idiots

- I hate seeing groups of kids all wearing baggy jeans, white over sized t's and black hoodies walk down my street - if - if something bad were to happen what do you say - uh one of the kids wearing baggy pants, over sized white t shirt and black hoodie is the one who did it ? great - thug uniform ???

ok - that will help leo's find a perp - that is why idiots dress like thugs, they are either thugs or thug wanna be's

this stupid failure to report news properly is going to create hate violence against whites ala Rodney King

the shooter wasn't white - the kid isn't the 12 y/o in the pictures being published and all the facts have not been released - but why ruin a good race baited story with facts - seems blacks are looking for a good reason to hate on whitey - so have hoodie rallies and vilify whites as racist - even tho the president is black, top entertainers are black - police forces are integrated, affirmative action is still alive

oh yeah, tonight there will be more black on black violence in my city - but that is gang related and societies fault that their is a break down in minority and economically challenged families in neighborhoods that are predominantly minority or mixed race - ugh - media makes me sick

but for now - lets just agree whites are bad, & blacks are victims who need protection from white & institutional racism

They are all screaming like wieners on a BBQ trying to rewrite reality for their own political purposes. The reality is some brown dude that looks like Chaz Bono shot some black kid. There you go. That's the reality of it.

[Kristy]

And there may not be a friendlier nation of people on this earth than Canadians, IMO....

Discount DiamondJimi and you may be right there.

[Headly1984]

Leonard Pitts, Jr. Tribune Media Services

March 25, 2012
I'm here to explain why George Zimmerman is white.

This seems necessary given the confusion and anger with which some readers responded to my use of that word last week in this space to describe the man who shot an unarmed black teenager named Trayvon Martin to death last month in Sanford, Fla. One person wrote: "Mr. Zimmerman was Hispanic not White plez do your homework before writing your column!!!!"

But it is they who are wrong. There are two reasons. The short one is this:

"Hispanic" is not a race, but an ethnicity. As the U.S. Census Bureau puts it in its 2010 Overview of Race and Hispanic Origin, "People who identify their origin as Hispanic, Latino, or Spanish may be any race."

The long reason begins with an understanding that the word in question -- race -- is a term both meaningful and yet, profoundly meaningless. It is meaningful in the sense that it provides a tool for tribalism and a means by which to organize our biases, fears, observations, social challenges and sundry cultural products. It is meaningless in the sense that, well ... it has no meaning, that there exists no definition of "black" or "white" that carries any degree of scientific precision.

We are taught to believe the opposite, that "black" and "white" are self-evident and immutable. But I invite you to look up Walter White, the blond, blue-eyed "Negro" who once led the NAACP, or Gregory Howard Williams, the university president who didn't even know he was black until he was 10 years old. Dig up the old Jet magazine story about a woman who gave birth to twins -- one "black," one "white." And then think again. Race is a fraud, a cruel and stupid fraud.

The people who came here from Europe did not automatically consider themselves "white." They identified as Irish, Hungarian, Italian, Jewish, Armenian. As David R. Roediger observes in his book, "Working Toward Whiteness: How America's Immigrants Became White," they were emphatically taught that "white" was the identity that conferred status and privilege and that it was defined by distance from, and antipathy toward, black. They were advised to avoid being friendly with blacks or else put their whiteness at risk.

Nor did Africans kidnapped into slavery think of themselves as "black." They were Mandinka, Fulani, Mende, Songhay, Wolof. "Black" was something imposed upon them as justification for slavery and other means of exploitation. As one historian puts it: Africans did not become slaves because they were black; they became black because they were enslaved.

Well into the 20th century, America recognized dozens of "races." In that America, people we now regard as white -- the Irishman, Conan O'Brien; the Armenian, Andre Agassi; the Jew, Jerry Seinfeld -- could not have taken for granted that they would be seen that way. People like this had to become white, had to earn whiteness, a feat African-Americans have found impossible to duplicate, no matter how many harsh chemicals they use on their hair and skin.

White, then, is not simply color, but privilege -- not necessarily in the sense of wealth, but rather in the sense of having one's personhood and individuality respected, a privilege so basic I doubt it registers with many whites as privilege at all. We're talking about the privilege of being seen, of having your worth presumed, of receiving the benefit of the doubt and some human compassion, of being treated as if you matter.

Consider that; then consider the fair-skinned Hispanic man, George Zimmerman, who evidently stalked and killed an unarmed kid he wrongly thought was up to no good, yet was not arrested, nor even initially investigated. He said it was self-defense. Police took him at his word and sent him on his way.

Folks, that's not just white. It's blinding.

[adena dodds]

I was just gonna leave that on my friends message...Why can't we all just get along? Her sister has taken over a friend of hers that I used to be friends with as well. My sister has pulled that stunt on me many times in the past. The problem we have is that they try to put it in our faces like their all cool n shit. We could care less but it's the principle of it all. Why? Who gives a shit when it's the so called friend that's the asshole anyway for dumping you as a freind to be with your sister. If assholes could fly...we'd all be getting shit on let me tell you. No exemptions, then maybe we would all have no choice but to get along....get it?
The Earth is racist. Stupid thing put all the yellow people in one place, brown in another, black in another, white in another....................can't we all just get along?

[adena dodds]

I think we've all earned the right to be bitter after over a decade of Van Hagar.
I had a good laugh when I read over at another VH site someone said the Roth Army was full of a bunch of bitter communists.

[Nitro Express]

Zimmerman is a white racist? I hear all this complaining over how the hispanics are taking over. Apparently they have taken over the Aryan Nations and Ku Klux Klux as well.

[adena dodds]

When the Klu, klux, klan starts to wear black hoods and and gowns maybe ya better think twice. Never say never. It could actually turn into a different form of them and a different group fighting against each other....In the end it will be brother against brother...Each with a sword pointing towards one another.
Zimmerman is a white racist? I hear all this complaining over how the hispanics are taking over. Apparently they have taken over the Aryan Nations and Ku Klux Klux as well.

[FORD]

Hey, damned if I didn't actually learn something here.... I had no idea Andre Agassi was Armenian. Could have sworn he was Italian. :biggrin:

[FORD]

Zimmerman is a white racist? I hear all this complaining over how the hispanics are taking over. Apparently they have taken over the Aryan Nations and Ku Klux Klux as well.

He's a racist because he called the kid a "fucking coon" and stalked him because he was black. The ratio of white vs latino DNA in Zimmerman's own genetic makeup isn't the issue.

[Nitro Express]

He's a racist because he called the kid a "fucking coon" and stalked him because he was black. The ratio of white vs latino DNA in Zimmerman's own genetic makeup isn't the issue.

Yeah racists can come in all colors. I was responding to the article that was trying to say Zimmerman was white. Ok. He has a German name but he looks pretty brown to me.

Racism is like war. There are certain people who don't want to have it go away because they profit from it. If there was no racism Al Sharpton would be out of a job.

[Headly1984]

He's a racist because he called the kid a "fucking coon" and stalked him because he was black. The ratio of white vs latino DNA in Zimmerman's own genetic makeup isn't the issue.

ok, different news reports have stated he did not call the kid a bad name, that he in fact mumbled something about his phone - if he didn;t call the kid a bad name then what ?

[Terry]

I don't have a dog in this fight.

But it would be nice to wait until ALL of the evidence is presented before making judgments.....

Agreed 100%.

[Nitro Express]

ok, different news reports have stated he did not call the kid a bad name, that he in fact mumbled something about his phone - if he didn;t call the kid a bad name then what ?

Pretty safe to say the news doesn't know what the fuck is going on. But golly oh gee we have to have something to talk about. This soon will be forgotten as the next tragedy happens.

[Headly1984]

this is Tawana Brawley pt II

[gbranton]

So what if he DID use the word coon? That's not illegal and doesn't necessarily make him a racist. I live in a racially mixed neighborhood and last Saturday night I walked outside a caught a fucking little coon out by my pool. I knew that fucking coons came into my back yard quite regularly, as there are plenty of coons in the area, so I caught his little coon ass and I wondered if I'd have to shoot him.




















































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But I fed him a little cat food and gave him some water instead. He was sick or injured in some way. Unfortunately he died the next day and I buried him in my back yard.

[sadaist]

:( Sad. At least you tried to help him out.


My mom had a family of them outside when she lived in the mountains. We had heard they eat little bird eggs so.........We put out a couple chicken size eggs to see what theyd do with them. The 1 was tripping out on it pretty bad but knew he wanted to eat it. So after rolling it around a while, he climbed on top of it with all four paws and then HUMPed down with all his weight to crush it. SPLAT! Then he joyously ate up all the yummy insides.

[sadaist]

You know if you ever have a raccoon pet there is only 1 name you can give it.


BANDIT



of course

[sadaist]

Te MAIN point is...police said DO NOT FOLLOW.

yet this John Wayne wannabe followed. And there it is right there. Some punk ass dude with a gun who was playing like he was Bruce Willis or something. Doesn't matter if the kid fought back. Anything chased & cornered has a tendency to fight back....self preserve. Sounds like this guy just really had delusions of grandeur and wanted to be some big bad superhero tough guy.

Sad

[Headly1984]

that is a lot of inference ..

why not wait for the facts instead of presume

- if you were not there or are not a psychoanalyst

- why psuedo-psychoanalyze like the pundits claiming white on black racism by an adult on a helpless innocent child - and also creating hoodie campaigns while race baiting by claiming it a white on black racist event right?

why ?

[gbranton]

You know if you ever have a raccoon pet there is only 1 name you can give it.


BANDIT



of course


Too late, aready have a cat named Bandit because of his coon-like markings. I called him Sparky because he really fought hard to live, he still had the spark that keeps us all going.

[Headly1984]

seems u live in Cali - your gun laws are super restrictive

florida has lax laws on conceal carry

- that neighborhood has had black males committing burglaries - so a N.W. guy not on duty asks a question - punk kid walks away and puts hoodie up - - guy is suspicious - says hey,approaches other guy/kid - then runs away from kid and gets his azz handed to him by athletic young adult - they tussle - guy shoots 17 y/o young man - seems reasonable - guy is a stake holder in a gated community - guy is minority / kid is a self proclaimed made nigga on his facebook page - 17 is close to 18 - it was no child - it was an adult young male imho

why not wait for the facts to come out - a city counselor in that district has viewed the police evidence and said everything was done approproitly by police - no charges should be filed - that councilor has veiwed evidence we have not and supports police and Zimmerman ... maybe we too should wait to see

[Nitro Express]

I was going down the snowmobile trail and there was this white animal that looked like a ferret and it had a black tipped tail. I've never seen one around here before. It was just running around some trees in the snow. I think it was one of these:

The specific epithet frenata, which is Latin for bridle, refers to the facial feature in the dark summer phase that resembles a pair of reins. In length this lithe little carnivore, weighing in at a mere 10 ounces at most, can be 22 inches in length, plus a three- to six-inch black-tipped tail, all carried close to the ground by legs only one or two inches long. Its summer name is stoat; in winter it's an ermine. Its privileged black-tipped tails once were traditional trimmings on the robes of kings.

I've never seen a raccoon around here. They always got into our garbage when I lived in upstate New York.

[sadaist]

. I called him Sparky because he really fought hard to live


And that takes us back to the elephant killing thread where I was saying how hard it is to keep a life going no matter how hard you try....yet so easy to end it. And when you actually see an animal truly fight to continue living, it gives you a new respect before you decide to squeeze that trigger.

And this is just with animals! I don't want to imagine the guilt I would have if I were responsible for taking a fellow human being.

[BigBadBrian]

I don't have a dog in this fight.

But it would be nice to wait until ALL of the evidence is presented before making judgments.....

Agreed.

Let ALL of the evidence surface before giving an opinion. Supposedly martin was the one who struck first. I'm sorry people, but being followed is not a crime in this case.

However, it seems that being white is a crime according to certain people on this board.

Reuters agrees, calling Zimmerman a "white hispanic" neighborhood watch volunteer. I didn't know there was such a thing as a "white hispanic." Most Latinos would kick your ass for using that phrase.

Here's a LINK (http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/03/23/us-florida-shooting-obama-idUSBRE82M0QF20120323) to that story.

[knuckleboner]

that is a lot of inference ..

why not wait for the facts instead of presume

- if you were not there or are not a psychoanalyst

- why psuedo-psychoanalyze like the pundits claiming white on black racism by an adult on a helpless innocent child - and also creating hoodie campaigns while race baiting by claiming it a white on black racist event right?

why ?

no it's not. the 911 tape has the police telling the guy to let them handle it and not to follow him. he did, anyways.

[fryingdutchman]

I gotta admit...I had never heard of the "Stand Your Ground" law prior to this incident, and generally speaking I'm not very "political."

Essentially, it sounds like if you pick a fight then end up on the losing end, you can't use "self-defense" as your defense for killing someone. Fair enough.

But it seems pretty stupid to have such a law in the first place. Retreat from a violent situation should always be the first option. Opening fire should be the LAST resort when the retreat option is taken off the table.

Apparently an anonymous witness has come forward saying that Trayvon was "straddling" the other dude and beating him up. Who knows how credible that will end up being? It will be interesting to see how all of this plays out.

But it's a life-altering tragedy for all involved no matter how you slice it.

[Va Beach VH Fan]

no it's not. the 911 tape has the police telling the guy to let them handle it and not to follow him. he did, anyways.

Doesn't make him a murderer, just as Zimmerman referring to him as a "fucking coon" doesn't....

The grand jury testimony should be very interesting....

[ELVIS]

So, like it's ok 'n stuff to use a derogatory term like "coon" on this website ??

[ELVIS]

no it's not. the 911 tape has the police telling the guy to let them handle it and not to follow him. he did, anyways.

So if a blg raging pcp head is coming through your window and you have a gun in one hand and your phone in the other hand, and the 911 bitch says don't shoot...

What do you do ??

[sadaist]

So, like it's ok 'n stuff to use a derogatory term like "coon" on this website ??


When speaking of raccoons, yeah. Plus even in it's derogatory form it isn't really considered a 'bad' word like the N-word.

I hate saying N-word. It's like saying F-word. We all know the word. We've all heard it, said it, seen it. Just say it for F-words sake. Just seems silly that adults can't have a conversation about words & language without actually speaking the words in question. Oh well. Civilization....I'll fall in line with whatever is the norm for today.

[sadaist]

So if a blg raging pcp head is coming through your window and you have a gun in one hand and your phone in the other hand, and the 911 bitch says don't shoot...

What do you do ??



Oooh...I love these!


um....throw the phone at him and tell him his dealer is on the other end?

[ELVIS]

Plus even in it's derogatory form it isn't really considered a 'bad' word like the N-word.



Yes it is...

[FORD]

So if a blg raging pcp head is coming through your window and you have a gun in one hand and your phone in the other hand, and the 911 bitch says don't shoot...

What do you do ??

The raging PCP head is in your house. You aren't sitting in your gas hog SUV following him around the neighborhood. Completely different situation.

[sadaist]

Yes it is...


Well, yeah. I just mean it doesn't carry the same weight. Don't ask me why. Just like out of the curse words we use FUCK is considered the big whopper...yet they are all curse words. Who knows why we put more weight on 1 than the others. Man I'm tired.

[fryingdutchman]

The raging PCP head is in your house. You aren't sitting in your gas hog SUV following him around the neighborhood. Completely different situation.

Agreed. Once somebody enters your PRIVATE residence, all bets are off.

If it was my house, the asshole gets he his head vented...end of story.

[jhale667]

So, let's say Zimmerman DID utter the racial slur...given that, would it be surprising that Martin decided to punch said slur-using douche in the nose? Seems like the normal reaction (and one Zimmerman would DESERVE at that point- fact). ESPECIALLY if the weirdo had been (rather suspiciously) following you up until that point? The kid probably thought HE was about to be assaulted by some bigot whackjob at that point, and was trying to pre-empt the anticipated attack. Regardless, lethal force should NOT have been the go-to response from Zimmerman, sorry.


Bottom line, ZIMMERMAN f*cked up when he kept following Martin. The authorities indicated they were on their way, and did not need him to follow, and he DID.

[jhale667]

OH, here we go: Now a friend is claiming Zimmerman said "goon" (riiiiiight). “I don’t know of anyone younger than 40 who uses ‘coon’ as a racial epithet anymore.” Funny, I don't know anyone that uses the word "goon"...period! Just sayin'.



Friend: Zimmerman Thought Shooting Would “Blow Over”


http://slatest.slate.com/posts/2012/03/22/trayvon_martin_case_sparks_protests_calling_for_ar rest_of_george_zimmerman_in_florida_shooting.html

UPDATE: Friends of George Zimmerman, who shot and killed Trayvon Martin last month, are starting to come out to defend him. Joe Oliver tells ABC News that Zimerman was distraught over the shooting and has now gone into hiding, fearing for his life.

"Up until this point, because he was there and he knows what happened, and because he's not in jail, he's been very confident—naively—that this will all blow over,”' Oliver said on Good Morning America.

The fringe New Black Panther Party has reportedly offered a $10,000 bounty for the capture of Zimmerman, the Orlando Sentinel reported.

Oliver, who says he has known Zimmerman for a decade, told ABC that the 28-year-old likely said “goon” on the 911 tape rather than “coon” as many people believe. “I don’t know of anyone younger than 40 who uses ‘coon’ as a racial epithet anymore.”

The distinction is important because what he said that night could make the difference in whether authorities will be able to charge Zimmerman with a hate crime, reports the Associated Press. “If that was a racial epithet that preceded the attack on Trayvon Martin, we definitely have a hate crime,” a legal expert says.

Meanwhile, as protests erupt across the country demanding justice for Martin, “the hoodie has emerged as an unlikely symbol,” writes the Miami Herald. Celebrities have joined ordinary citizens posting pictures of themselves wearing hoodies in a show of support for Martin.




Wow, those two new black panther dudes get a lot of press...

[ELVIS]

The raging PCP head is in your house. You aren't sitting in your gas hog SUV following him around the neighborhood. Completely different situation.

My point was, should the potential victim follow the advice of 911 ??

[ELVIS]

:elvis:

[ELVIS]

:elvis:

[jhale667]

What relevance do 911 calls of someone rightfully shooting an intruder breaking into their HOUSE have to do with this case, where the kid was walking down the street minding his own business? Not jack sh*t.

[ELVIS]

The distinction is important because what he said that night could make the difference in whether authorities will be able to charge Zimmerman with a hate crime, reports the Associated Press.

“If that was a racial epithet that preceded the attack on Trayvon Martin, we definitely have a hate crime,” a legal expert says.



That's fucking bullshit!!!


:mad2:

[ELVIS]

the kid was walking down the street minding his own business?

Is that what he was doing ??

[jhale667]

Is that what he was doing ??

By all accounts (save the bigot who thinks skittles are suspicious), YES....idiot.
I'd say quit acting stupid, but we all know in your case it's not an act.

[FORD]

That's fucking bullshit!!!


:mad2:

No it's not. It establishes the fact that Martin's skin color was the only (or at least primary) reason Zimmerman thought he was "suspicious" in the first place. As do his other comments like "THEY always get away with it". Get away with WHAT? The kid was eating Skittles, drinking ice tea and walking back to his fucking father's house. What the fuck was he "getting away with".

Being a "fucking coon" walking through a racially pure gated community, apparently. Except his father lived there, so I guess it wasn't as "racially pure" as Zimmerman thought.

[jhale667]

The A**hole from the NRA I saw the other day's name was Larry Pratt...and apparently he's still making the rounds saying Martin should have RUN from the dude yelling racial slurs at him...uh, yeah - that's NOT how it usually works, f*cktard. If you say some sh*t like that, you should EXPECT to get punched number one, and number two if you do get socked for saying something like that, you do NOT have the right to escalate to lethal force immediately! What like "I can't BELIEVE he kicked my teeth in for calling him (insert racial epithet)! Can you imagine?" At that point guess what - YOU'RE the one prokoving someone, and you're completely in the wrong!!! It infuriates me that these idiots are trying to act like somehow Martin should have acquiesced to this douche, especially if he was talking smack - or that Zimmerman DIDN'T do anything wrong (like ignoring the 911 dispatcher of yelling racial slurs).

[ELVIS]

No, his father's fiancé lived there...

This guy deserves a fair trial just like anyone else...

But the half-coon pResident and countless celebrities have already convicted this guy...

And where's the outrage over the coon-panthers offering 10,000 for his capture ??


:mad2:

[ELVIS]

Oops...

I meant half-goon president...


:biggrin:

[jhale667]

This guy deserves a fair trial just like anyone else...



He'd have to be ARRESTED and CHARGED first in order to get a fair trail.



Oh, and :fufu:

[ELVIS]

Looks like that's gonna happen...



Lemme find you a good smiley...














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[ELVIS]

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[jhale667]

Here's what I don't like about the "stand your ground" law...even in the report Elbow posted, they say if someone "feels threatened" they can shoot - uh, it's pretty well known that some people are hysterically threatened by the mere presence of blacks (or other minorities), whether there's a genuine threat or not. Let's recall Arizona nutjob Jan Brewer saying she "felt threatened" talking to the POTUS on the airport tarmac!! So by that retarded logic, she could have opened fire??

[ELVIS]

That would be cool...

uhh hu uh uhuh uh uh u huh uh uhhuh uh uh


:biggrin:

[Jagermeister]

Here's what I don't like about the "stand your ground" law...even in the report Elbow posted, they say if someone "feels threatened" they can shoot - uh, it's pretty well known that some people are hysterically threatened by the mere presence of blacks (or other minorities), whether there's a genuine threat or not. Let's recall Arizona nutjob Jan Brewer saying she "felt threatened" talking to the POTUS on the airport tarmac!! So by that retarded logic, she could have opened fire??

I saw on the news the guy that wrote the law said he didn't think it applied to this case.

And a black kid in a hoodie with a bag of skittles would scare the hell out of me. :biggrin:

[jhale667]

I saw on the news the guy that wrote the law said he didn't think it applied to this case.

And it shouldn't.



And a black kid in a hoodie with a bag of skittles would scare the hell out of me. :biggrin:


You're one of the irrational types I was just talking about, so that's not shocking...

[Jagermeister]

And it shouldn't.




You're one of the irrational types I was just talking about, so that's not shocking...

I was joking. I don't think that kid did anything to deserve being shot. That beaner fucked up big time.

[Nitro Express]

People just need to cool down because guys like George Soros use this sort of thing to divide and conquer. People need to realize there are paid antagonists who stir the shit and they purposefully want to keep us divided on race, class, and political issues. Many of these so called celebrities are useful idiots for the rich ruling class. I hate to say it but the 1% are winning here. They don't want us to get along, they want us at each other's throats and that way they can mop up what they don't already own. These guys love civil unrest.

[ELVIS]

:elvis:

[jhale667]

I was joking. I don't think that kid did anything to deserve being shot. That dude fucked up big time.


No Martin didn't and Zimmerman did f*ck up, but you're still no better than him for throwing in yet another racial slur.



And a George Soros reference, FFS? Somewhere Glenn BecKKK just got a tingle in his niether region, and it's Nyquil's fault. What's next a Saul Alinsky (sp) reference?

[Jagermeister]

No Martin didn't and Zimmerman did f*ck up, but you're still no better than him for throwing in yet another racial slur.



And a George Soros reference, FFS? Somewhere Glenn BecKKK just got a tingle in his niether region, and it's Nyquil's fault. What's next a Saul Alinsky (sp) reference?

:biggrin:

[FORD]

No Martin didn't and Zimmerman did f*ck up, but you're still no better than him for throwing in yet another racial slur.



And a George Soros reference, FFS? Somewhere Glenn BecKKK just got a tingle in his niether region, and it's Nyquil's fault. What's next a Saul Alinsky (sp) reference?

The only thing weirder than that is Elbow posting Bob Marley. Ladies and Gents, we have officially entered the Twilight Zone.....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KF-yh4mU6ps

[Jagermeister]

http://news.yahoo.com/video/us-15749625/28727605




George Zimmerman, the neighborhood watch crime captain who shot dead 17-year-old Trayvon Martin, originally told police in a written statement that Martin knocked him down with a punch to the nose, repeatedly slammed his head on the ground and tried to take his gun, a police source told ABC News.
Zimmerman had claimed he had called police about Martin, whom he found suspicious, then went back to his car when Martin attacked him, punching him.

The new information is the most complete version yet of what Zimmerman claims happened on the night of Feb. 26 when he shot and killed the teenager.

In addition, an eyewitness, 13-year-old Austin Brown, told police he saw a man fitting Zimmerman's description lying on the grass moaning and crying for help just seconds before he heard the gunshot that killed Martin.

The initial police report noted that Zimmerman was bleeding from the back of the head and nose, and after medical attention it was decided that he was in good enough condition to travel in a police cruiser to the Sanford, Fla., police station for questioning. He was not arrested. Martin's girlfriend had said in a recording obtained exclusively by ABC News that she heard Martin ask Zimmerman "why are your following me, and then the man asked, what are you doing around here." She then heard a scuffle break out and the line went dead.

Phone records obtained by ABC News show that the girl, who is 16 and asked to remain anonymous, called Martin at 7:12 p.m., five minutes before police arrived, and remained on the phone with Martin until moments before he was shot.

ABC News has also learned that Martin was staying in Sanford at the time because he'd been suspended from Krop High School in Miami after school officials found him with a baggy that they suspected contained marijuana. He was staying at his father's fiance's house in Sanford.

Family spokesperson Ryan Julison confirmed to ABC News that Martin was suspended for an "empty baggy that had contained pot."

"It's irrelevant to what happened on Feb. 26, does not change material facts of the situation, specifically that had George Zimmerman not left his vehicle and heeded the police dispatcher's guidance, we wouldn't be here today," Julison said.

During Zimmerman's call to 911, the dispatcher asked him if he was following the teen. When Zimmerman replied that he was, the dispatcher said, "We don't need you to do that."

Martin's mother, Sybrina Fulton, said at a news conference today, "All I've got to say is they killed my son, and now they're trying to kill his reputation."

The new information threatens to heighten tensions in the emotionally charged case. Sanford's Mayor Jeff Triplett told ABC News that "the city today is a tinder box."

"This city is a glass house, and making matters worse the civic center has a lot of glass," he said referring to a town hall meeting slated for 5 p.m. where family and residents will be airing grievances about the Martin shooting.

In addition, the Rev. Al Sharpton said today that he and other protesters intend to "occupy" Sanford on Easter weekend and pray that the city arrests Zimmerman.

The details of Zimmerman's early account of the confrontation could complicate pressing charges against him, which one veteran prosecutor has already said could be difficult.

"The stand-your-ground law is one portion of justifiable use of deadly force," veteran State Attorney Angela Corey told ABC News. "And what that means is that the state must go forward and be able to prove it's case beyond a reasonable doubt… So it makes the case in general more difficult than a normal criminal case."

Zimmerman shot Martin dead the night of Feb. 26 after following him for several minutes. Zimmerman told police Martin looked suspicious because he was wearing a hoodie, and when he confronted him the two fought -- ultimately resulting in a single bullet in Martin's chest.

Trayvon Martin Case: Timeline of Events

Zimmerman claimed self defense and this weekend the lawyer counseling him, Craig Sonner, told ABC News that he was likely to invoke Florida's controversial stand-your-ground law in his defense.

The law affords people enormous leeway to use deadly force if they feel their life is seriously endangered. Sonner said Zimmerman felt "one of them was going to die that night," when he pulled the trigger.

Corey, a veteran prosecutor known for her zealous defense of victims rights was hand-picked by Florida Gov. Rick Scott for the job. But she faces other challenges in the case.

While in life Trayvon Martin was barely 17, when it comes to justifiable homicide his size -- about 6-foot-3 and 150 pounds -- makes him an adult in death.

Zimmerman, 28, is 5-foot-9 and weighs well over 200 pounds.

But with the Department of Justice and the FBI investigating this case as a possible hate crime, Corey might want to pursue that as well.

[Jagermeister]

It's unfortunate that kid lost his life but we don't have all the evidence in this case. I find it very odd that they have not arrested this guy. What are all these protesters going to do if they find out the guy acted in self defense?

[jhale667]

So then we're to believe that if THIS witness saw Zimmerman "on the ground, moaning, crying for help" and Martin WASN'T on top of him beating the sh*t out of him as the other supposed witness claims? Even more fishy, then ...so Martin stopped punching him, got off him, took a step back, and THEN Zimmerman produced his weapoon and shot (to kill rather than wound)?? Any way they try to spin this, Zimmerman still f***ed up!

[Jagermeister]

So then we're to believe that if THIS witness saw Zimmerman "on the ground, moaning, crying for help" and Martin WASN'T on top of him beating the sh*t out of him as the other supposed witness claims? Even more fishy, then ...so Martin stopped punching him, got off him, took a step back, and THEN Zimmerman produced his weapoon and shot (to kill rather than wound)?? Any way they try to spin this, Zimmerman still f***ed up!

Don't know. We'll have to wait and see.

[Jagermeister]

Shit. They can't even get his race right. He's not a cracker. :biggrin:
An Unfortunate T-Shirt Hits Florida Streets In Wake Of Trayvon Martin Killing

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/trayvon-martin/cracker-tshirt-759832

[jhale667]

That's pretty fucked up...

Sent from my BlackBerry 9800 using Tapatalk

[FORD]

I find it very odd that they have not arrested this guy.

Seriously? After all the fucked up things that have happened in Florida since the BCE took over the state, THIS is the one you find odd? :biggrin:

[Headly1984]

no it's not. the 911 tape has the police telling the guy to let them handle it and not to follow him. he did, anyways.

may I politely point out why that statement is idiotic - no police officer told him anything - it was a dispatcher - if you believe a dispatcher is a LEO you are an idiot

if you believe a dispatcher can protect you or give you proper advice for any reason when calling 911 best of luck to you in your endeavors

[Headly1984]

Agreed. Once somebody enters your PRIVATE residence, all bets are off.

If it was my house, the asshole gets he his head vented...end of story.

in a gated community if there is no private police force - there is no police patrol - if you are driving down the private street - and ask a thug looking person what they are doing in the gated community - if they say I live at 123 west lane - ok, have a nice night

..or they put a hood up and walk away - you say excuse me -( in my private community) where r u going ? and then get attacked and end up shooting a 6' 'kid' who was on suspension from school for 'good' behavior - you may shoot in defense - it is on private gated community property

[gbranton]

may I politely point out why that statement is idiotic - no police officer told him anything - it was a dispatcher - if you believe a dispatcher is a LEO you are an idiot

if you believe a dispatcher can protect you or give you proper advice for any reason when calling 911 best of luck to you in your endeavors

Exactly. Many times they advise people in a manner designed to eliminate any liabilty on the part of the police department. If they advised someone pointing a gun at an intruder to pull the trigger and the bullet killed the neighbor's kid then the entire planet would have a field day. Riots (IF the child was a minority), lawsuits, negative publicity, outrage....the works. So of course they are going to tell you to run curl up in the closet and hide, then if you get killed at least nobody will sue them.

[gbranton]

Shit. They can't even get his race right. He's not a cracker. :biggrin:
An Unfortunate T-Shirt Hits Florida Streets In Wake Of Trayvon Martin Killing

Are they sure that's in Florida? He looks like and seems to have the attitude of a typical Mobile, AL resident.

[Headly1984]

I was hoping having a black president would help race relations - but, having bho step on his dick and make the dumbass comments he did only fueled the flames imho

nice way to divide the country jackazz

[Headly1984]

oh this is good ..

The mother of slain teen Trayvon Martin wants to trademark her son's name in the slogans, "I am Trayvon" and "Justice for Trayvon," according to two petitions filed with the United States Patent and Trademark Office.

Federal documents show Sybrina Fulton, the teen's mother, is the owner of the trademark petitions, which were filed online March 21 by her attorneys Kimra Major-Morris and Natalie Jackson of the Women's Trial Group.

Trayvon's mother says authorities are trying to demonize her son by leaking information to the news media that marijuana was the reason for his suspension from school.

Sybrina Fulton said Monday that unnamed investigators were trying to destroy her 17-year-old son's reputation. Sanford police say it's possible the information was leaked to the media, but it was not authorized.

----------------------------------

Justice for Trayvon Martin means more than arresting and trying George Zimmerman for his death ("License to kill," March 23). It means building communities where our black sons are free to walk the streets and be children, safe from the perception of neighbors and community members who believe that to be a young, black manchild is to be bad and to desire to bring harm to others. To focus on our black sons is not to say that our other sons and daughters are less important and less valuable. It is to be honest and to recognize the treacherous plight of young, black males from infancy through adulthood. We must stand our ground for our black sons and agree to engage with one another and to have the hard conversations about race, fairness, equity, justice, civility and the meaning of community. For these are all our children; and we will pay or profit for whatever they become.


-so the low graduation rates and gang membership violence that threatens many communities is now about justice and not the social responsibilities of parents ?

this kid was from a family with means - he was not poor - why he dint have better manners / courtesy towards a home owner in his father's g/f gated / private neighborhood is a ? too ..

[ELVIS]

LMAO !!!

I'm starting to like Headly...

[gbranton]

I was hoping having a black president would help race relations - but, having bho step on his dick and make the dumbass comments he did only fueled the flames imho

nice way to divide the country jackazz


http://sadhillnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/obama-if-i-had-a-son-hed-look-like-trayvon-birth-certificate-sad-hill-news-32.jpg

http://sadhillnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/obama-if-i-had-a-son-hed-look-like-trayvon-birth-certificate-sad-hill-news-2.jpg

http://sadhillnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/trayvon-martin-photo-media-george-zimmerman-photo-bias-sad-hill-news2.jpg

[gbranton]

http://patdollard.com/2012/03/was-trayvon-martin-a-drug-dealing-gangbanger/

[Nickdfresh]

So if a blg raging pcp head is coming through your window and you have a gun in one hand and your phone in the other hand, and the 911 bitch says don't shoot...

What do you do ??

My. What a fine strawman argument...

[Nickdfresh]

http://patdollard.com/2012/03/was-trayvon-martin-a-drug-dealing-gangbanger/

Pretty ironic shit from a deranged druggie and coke monger whose gone insane--Patrick Dollard....

[Nickdfresh]

It's pretty funny that we're on a Van Halen board, and people are insinuating that maybe a kid deserved to die because he might have smoked pot and had a problem with some Barney Fife-vigilante asshole following him...

But I guess "Stand Your Ground" only counts if you have a gun....

[knuckleboner]

So if a blg raging pcp head is coming through your window and you have a gun in one hand and your phone in the other hand, and the 911 bitch says don't shoot...

What do you do ??

move to a better fucking neighborhood.


but HUUUUGGGGGEEEE difference. this potential threat wasn't causing zimmerman ANY personal danger before zimmerman got involved.

[knuckleboner]

Doesn't make him a murderer, just as Zimmerman referring to him as a "fucking coon" doesn't....

The grand jury testimony should be very interesting....

i totally agree. i was pointing out on that particular speculation. nothing talked about thus far would put him as a murderer. it's either manslaughter or justifiable self defense. personally, i think a self-defense claim is a bit weak when you're obviously the instigator. but that's where the legalities come in.

so i'll simply say that, it goes without saying that zimmerman should've listened to the police. but that, in and of itself, is not the determining factor. it's one a a number for the police/prosecutor/grand jury/judge/jury to consider.

[knuckleboner]

Oops...

I meant half-goon president...


:biggrin:

you're a sad man, elvis. pathetic.

[Headly1984]

or maybe we are older, home owners who want peace in our neighborhoods

as kids we never messed around on the streets - we had bonfires out in the woods and no one was the wiser - or drove around blasting VH and having a beer or smoke -

... and now, when I go visit a gated private neighborhood in florida - which I do once year for the last few yrs - I get stopped and questioned some nights - but I say hey, and say who I am visiting and all is well - unlike putting my hoodoe up - and then whacking someone in the nose - but I am polite - even if I am buzzed - why would I punch someone in the nose for asking me why I am there - it is a private community I am visiting & I was told if anyone asks who you are visiting to tell them

- they know who lives there fwiw- hence gated community /private - everyone knows everyone & if I were a dick it would reflect poorly on my host and I would lose my visitation more than likely

[Headly1984]

i totally agree.

so i'll simply say that, it goes without saying that zimmerman should've listened to the police.(he never spoke to the police - it was a dispatcher)

is a dispatcher now a LEO - not around here they are not

[knuckleboner]

may I politely point out why that statement is idiotic - no police officer told him anything - it was a dispatcher - if you believe a dispatcher is a LEO you are an idiot

if you believe a dispatcher can protect you or give you proper advice for any reason when calling 911 best of luck to you in your endeavors

actually, some are sworn officers. but does it matter? zimmerman did NOT need protection from this kid when he called 911, nor did he ask for it. he was reporting a suspicious person and was told by the authorities (if that word suits you better) that the police would handle it and he should not. it's not as if the kid was on his property, possibly heading for his house. the kid was walking on a sidewalk.

and if you don't believe that dispatchers have never saved anybody's life, then you've never met any police officers or dispatchers.

[knuckleboner]

oh this is good ..

The mother of slain teen Trayvon Martin wants to trademark her son's name in the slogans, "I am Trayvon" and "Justice for Trayvon," according to two petitions filed with the United States Patent and Trademark Office.

Federal documents show Sybrina Fulton, the teen's mother, is the owner of the trademark petitions, which were filed online March 21 by her attorneys Kimra Major-Morris and Natalie Jackson of the Women's Trial Group.

Trayvon's mother says authorities are trying to demonize her son by leaking information to the news media that marijuana was the reason for his suspension from school.

Sybrina Fulton said Monday that unnamed investigators were trying to destroy her 17-year-old son's reputation. Sanford police say it's possible the information was leaked to the media, but it was not authorized.

----------------------------------

Justice for Trayvon Martin means more than arresting and trying George Zimmerman for his death ("License to kill," March 23). It means building communities where our black sons are free to walk the streets and be children, safe from the perception of neighbors and community members who believe that to be a young, black manchild is to be bad and to desire to bring harm to others. To focus on our black sons is not to say that our other sons and daughters are less important and less valuable. It is to be honest and to recognize the treacherous plight of young, black males from infancy through adulthood. We must stand our ground for our black sons and agree to engage with one another and to have the hard conversations about race, fairness, equity, justice, civility and the meaning of community. For these are all our children; and we will pay or profit for whatever they become.


-so the low graduation rates and gang membership violence that threatens many communities is now about justice and not the social responsibilities of parents ?

this kid was from a family with means - he was not poor - why he dint have better manners / courtesy towards a home owner in his father's g/f gated / private neighborhood is a ? too ..

yeah, god forbid the mom is worried that somebody else uses her dead son's name for their own, selfish purposes...

[ELVIS]

and then whacking someone in the nose

How dare you suggest some black young punk would hit someone...

You're a sad man, Headly...


:biggrin:

[ELVIS]

yeah, god forbid the mom is worried that somebody else uses her dead son's name for their own, selfish purposes...

C'mon dude...

Getting a trademark for your recently dead son ??

That's lame...

Hey maybe that asshole Obama can pull some strings and get it done for her...

[Headly1984]

or maybe we are older, home owners who want peace in our neighborhoods

as kids we never messed around on the streets - we had bonfires out in the woods and no one was the wiser - or drove around blasting VH and having a beer or smoke -

... and now, when I go visit a gated private neighborhood in florida - which I do once year for the last few yrs - I get stopped and questioned some nights - but I say hey, and say who I am visiting and all is well - unlike putting my hoodoe up - and then whacking someone in the nose - but I am polite - even if I am buzzed - why would I punch someone in the nose for asking me why I am there - it is a private community I am visiting & I was told if anyone asks who you are visiting to tell them

- they know who lives there fwiw- hence gated community /private - everyone knows everyone & if I were a dick it would reflect poorly on my host and I would lose my visitation more than likely

waiting for knuckleboner to insult me for being polite in a private community - or for following the rules of a private community to prevent negative attention and trouble

[Headly1984]

.....

[Headly1984]

yeah, god forbid the mom is worried that somebody else uses her dead son's name for their own, selfish purposes...

the selfish purpose of promoting hate or justice - which is it ?

or is it the $$$

[DONNIEP]

I've probably missed it..but has the 911 call been released? Or an official transcript?

[hambon4lif]

I've probably missed it..but has the 911 call been released? Or an official transcript?Which 9-1-1 call would you be referring to? Because in the last 12 months prior to this incident, he made no less than 49 calls.....I'll repeat that...49 MOTHERFUCKING 9-1-1 CALLS IN TWELVE MONTHS!!

There's a line between mere overzealousness and batshit insane, which Zimmerman clearly crosses.

His 50th call proved to be the charm for him...he finally got what he wanted.

[ELVIS]

Vedy intedesting...

[DONNIEP]

Ok, either this "gated community" looks like Beirut on a bad night or there's something seriously wrong here. 49 calls??? Really??? Jesus, you'd think he would have been kicked off the community watch by this point...

[ELVIS]

Jesus, you'd think he would have been kicked off the community watch by this point...

Or his 911 activity investigated...

[DONNIEP]

Or his 911 activity investigated...

Exactly. This is why Andy only let Barney have one bullet - he was too damned excitable. If this guy called 911 every damn week, and I don't doubt Hambon, somebody should have put the brakes on him a long time ago. That's not a comment on what happened here, since I don't know what happened. But where I live, if you call the police every fucking week you better have a damn good reason.

[Headly1984]

Records show Zimmerman, 28, called the cops 46 times between January 2011 and Feb. 26.

Many of the calls appear related to his crime-watch volunteer role. The most frequent reason for his calls — nine times — was to report a suspicious person, according to Sanford Police Department records released last week.

over a 14 month period - he called 9 times about a suspicious person - whoo.... bad man ...

[Nitro Express]

Ok, either this "gated community" looks like Beirut on a bad night or there's something seriously wrong here. 49 calls??? Really??? Jesus, you'd think he would have been kicked off the community watch by this point...

It will turn out to be another case of some kid on medication. His meds either made him do it or he got off his meds and that made him do it. At least with a gun even a crazy ass usually thinks before pulling the trigger. If this dude had a tazer he probably would have tazed everyone in the gated community by now. Once these paranoid renta cops hear it's non lethal they go ape shit tazing everything that moves.

[knuckleboner]

C'mon dude...

Getting a trademark for your recently dead son ??

That's lame...

Hey maybe that asshole Obama can pull some strings and get it done for her...

hysterical. you don't want to judge the guy that shot the kid before you know all of the facts, but you're more than willing to judge the mom.

like i said, it's at least possible that she doesn't want OTHER people controlling her son's name. because, if you copyrighted, "justice for trayvon" then you could make shirts and profits and license it to video games and strip clubs, and everything this mom would hate to see her son's name attached to.

[Nitro Express]

I was hoping having a black president would help race relations - but, having bho step on his dick and make the dumbass comments he did only fueled the flames imho

nice way to divide the country jackazz

I think Barrack Obama has been a complete failure at everything most people who voted for him hoped he would do.

That being said I think the country would elect another black president. It's the small minded shit heads who get stired up over this sort of thing. The people Al Sharpton can easily manipulate or the white people listening to their snack handling minister. The people who are more sophisticated and think for themselves instead of having to have some cheerleader think for them aren't buying into it.

Like most things, I think the reality is not as bad as the media is making us believe it is. We no longer have neutral news, we have propaganda and the banking fucks want a red herring to distract us from their crimes. Worse stuff than this happens on a daily basis in this coutnry. For some reason this story has been chosen to antagonize the public with.

[knuckleboner]

waiting for knuckleboner to insult me for being polite in a private community - or for following the rules of a private community to prevent negative attention and trouble

we'll then you'll be waiting a LOOOONG time. the knuckleboner doesn't need insults.

that said, it's irrelevant whether you or anybody else is polite when you're questioned in a gated community. the fact is that zimmerman did what he was ostensibly supposed to do - he called the police. and he was told to let the police handle it. he chose to ignore that. that's all undisputed. he could've been the most polite motherfucker on the planet, and at the end of the day he still unnecessarily inserted himself in a situation that escalated into a death.

however, i'm willing to listen if you've got an argument that although the 2nd amendment applies in a gated community, the 4th amendment's unnecessary...

[DONNIEP]

Records show Zimmerman, 28, called the cops 46 times between January 2011 and Feb. 26.

Many of the calls appear related to his crime-watch volunteer role. The most frequent reason for his calls — nine times — was to report a suspicious person, according to Sanford Police Department records released last week.

over a 14 month period - he called 9 times about a suspicious person - whoo.... bad man ...

Hey, I'm not taking a side here. And I appreciate the clarification. Seriously.

But unless I'm mistaken, and I certainly could be, didn't this confrontation take place within arm's length? Meaning one of these two guys approached the other? If Zimmerman approached this guy - and by all of the "news reports" it was him approaching this guy, then Zimmerman should have backed off when he felt the situation was about to go bad. One of the first things you'll learn in an armed self defense class is to retreat from the threat when possible. One of the next things you'll learn is to not go looking for trouble. In the state of North Carolina we have the Castle Doctrine - look it up. And no where does it say that a legally armed citizen can chase down someone who "looks suspicious". Or for God's sake is "wearing a hoodie". And what kind of bull-fucking-shit is that??? And why have I never heard it??? I've lived in the South most of my life - admittedly the most racist part of this country. And somehow I've never heard that a fucking "hoodie" equates to a maniacal, doped-up, BLACK killer of innocent white people??? How have I missed that? Geez, maybe because IT'S ALL A BUNCH OF SHIT!!!

[gbranton]

That being said I think the country would elect another black president. It's the small minded shit heads who get stired up over this sort of thing. The people Al Sharpton can easily manipulate or the white people listening to their snack handling minister. The people who are more sophisticated and think for themselves instead of having to have some cheerleader think for them aren't buying into it.

I'm no fan of Obama's but I am glad that a black man got elected President. I was hoping that it would be a transcendental moment in America's history that would be the beginning of the end of all the race shit in America, but sadly he has only served to make things worse at times. I'd vote for someone like Walter E. Williams in a second and have admiration for Justice Clarence Thomas.

[Nitro Express]

I'm no fan of Obama's but I am glad that a black man got elected President. I was hoping that it would be a transcendental moment in America's history that would be the beginning of the end of all the race shit in America, but sadly he has only served to make things worse at times. I'd vote for someone like Walter E. Williams in a second and have admiration for Justice Clarence Thomas.

That's the the thing. There was the sound barrier and we broke it. In US politics there was the race barrier. I can remember Eddie Murphy making jokes about how impossible it would be to have a black president in the 1980's. Now we elected one. We finally broke the race barrier and that's a good thing.

I think Barrack Obama could have been a good president. He certainly had the public presentation ability and was smart enough to learn the presidency. But he chose to be an aloof president much like George W. Bush and let his financial backers run things. We have a president that is just letting those guys rob us blind. That is why the Obama administration and Bush administration burned through so much money.

Bill Clinton with all his faults and corruption at least studied the presidency. Clinton was known to be a micromanager. Now I thought he sold us out but not as bad as Obama and Bush but at least the guy was managing things. I really have a dislike for absentee presidents and we have had two in a row during some really challenging times. It's not good. We need leadership. That is what is lacking in Washington. We have a bunch of leaches and buffoons and no real leaders.

[Headly1984]

how many people here live in a gated community - ?

if a young man is walking late at night by himself, a member of the private community will more times than not ask, who are you here to visit - everyone knows everyone - it is a private community - if a 6'3 guy is asked where you going and then puts his hood up and walks away - what does that body language say - Fuck you ?

oh yeah, well fuck you kid, I live here and I dont want trouble - either you are visiting and all is ok or it's not - which is it ? then whack - a broken nose and a tussle - then bang - florida has different gun laws, it isn't castle -if you go to florida much - you see the news - everynight there are shootings - people know the laws and are familiar with why not to fuck around - there is high, high unemployment rates, lots of crime and lots of gun owners legal and not legal - best to be polite in florida at night - not belligerent - the kid is no angle he wanted trouble - he figured guy wasn;t armed is my .002 and lost his gamble

either way - the world has Iran with the bomb and North Korea is launching a long range missile than can deliver a nuke to your door - who gives a fuq if a couple of idiots tussled and one died, people get killed every day in gang violence- - even innocents by wild shots fired -but dont snitch is even in rap songs - where is the black leaders then ? the story is still white on black - why ? who is white in this scenario ?

and who can defend a thug uniform ? hoodie up, baggie pants and white t-shirt - generic thug wear - now chic in honor of a punk kid who wanted trouble - or he could have said - hey mr, I am going to my fathers g/f house at 123 main st and walked away ...


race baiting is horrible and divisive - our president fueled the flames of racism like an azz not like a leader - too bad I cannot stand Mitt and am voting Santorum or Paul - bho will probably get a 2nd term

[DONNIEP]

how many people here live in a gated community - ?

if a young man is walking late at night by himself, a member of the private community will more times than not ask, who are you here to visit - everyone knows everyone - it is a private community - if a 6'3 guy is asked where you going and then puts his hood up and walks away - what does that body language say - Fuck you ? and who can defend a thug uniform ? hoodie up, baggie pants and white t-shirt - generic thug wear - now chic in honor of a punk kid who wanted trouble

I don't think anyone is defending "thug wear". I'm all for shooting anyone who has the waistline of their pants sagged down below their knees, especially with a belt. Not with a real gun, mind you...But with a pellet gun for sure! Right in the ass! May break the skin, may not. But it damn sure will get their attention!

[Nitro Express]

As George Zimmerman's supporters work to stem the rising tide of public outrage aimed at the neighborhood watchman who shot and killed Florida teenager Trayvon Martin last month, a new picture of the victim—culled from the 17-year-old's Facebook and Twitter accounts and witness testimony—has emerged.

"With a single punch," the Orlando Sentinel, citing police sources, reported Monday, "Trayvon Martin decked the Neighborhood Watch volunteer ... climbed on top of [him] and slammed his head into the sidewalk several times, leaving him bloody and battered."

"That is the account Zimmerman gave police," the paper said, "and much of it has been corroborated by witnesses, authorities say."

Zimmerman's attorney, Craig Sonner, says that Zimmerman acted in self-defense and is not a racist as some have portrayed him.

"I think we need to let the investigation come forward and let all the facts in this case come out," Sonner said on the "Today" show. "I think it's going to tell a different story than the way it's been related and portrayed in the media."

I think much of the problem is the media is unprofessional and is using license to infer a reality that doesn't exist or has not yet been proven. The danger of this is it stirs people up. We are no longer in a world with professional journalists who rigidly follow the Associated Press Handbook and remain neutral and only report the facts. We have propaganda channels and it seems there is an agenda to manipulate the masses through what it portrays. Such a media machine becomes useful when you have certain groups trying to cease power. Interesting we went from over 50 media companies in the early 1980's to only about five now. The big banks own the corporations and the corporations own the media and politicians. So when we see something like this and people react emotionally to it the question we have to ask ourselves is this just for ratings or to fill news time or is there an agenda behind all this? If so who benefits?

We are in a situation where those in power are not that popular with the public. The latest laws passed to intimidate people from protesting shows the fear of the public these people actually have. Their biggest nightmare would be a unified population organized to not only throw these people out of power but throw them in jail or worse. So desperate people in power do whatever they can do to divide the population. They will try and start race wars, class wars, plot the left against the right and so forth. Antagonize the public into fighting each other and if they can do that, we are less of the threat and they might even get more power out of the situation.

[sadaist]

Is that what he was doing ??

Well, so far that's the consensus. but we don't know for sure. Right now I say Zimmerman should be arrested. but as more story comes out I'm not sure. His 1 huge fault was following after told not to. The shooting may have been justified if this kid was kicking his ass in, but how did it get to that point? He wouldn't have had his ass kicked in if he had followed police instructions.

Stand your ground does not mean chase down & start an incident to give you ground to stand. I'd have kicked his ass too if some weird unknown guy was coming after me while I was walking home. Perhaps Trayvon was standing his ground? What about Trayvons ground?

[BigBadBrian]

It's pretty funny that we're on a Van Halen board, and people are insinuating that maybe a kid deserved to die because he might have smoked pot and had a problem with some Barney Fife-vigilante asshole following him...

But I guess "Stand Your Ground" only counts if you have a gun....

Don't you dare make fun of Barney Fife on this board, dammit!! :biggrin:

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6067/6073440482_3d8b26ab7e.jpg

[Seshmeister]

either way - the world has Iran with the bomb and North Korea is launching a long range missile than can deliver a nuke to your door

Who told you that?

Neither of those things is even remotely true.

This harks back to Nitro's post, people are manipulating the news for their own ends and it's dangerous.

[ELVIS]

Who told you that?

Neither of those things is even remotely true.

This harks back to Nitro's post, people are manipulating the news for their own ends and it's dangerous.

You beat me to it...

Complete propaganda...

[ELVIS]

You know it stinks of bullshit when thse turds show up...

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/03/26/article-2120504-125861A0000005DC-353_634x402.jpg


Trayvon Martin was suspended from school for having a 'burglary tool' and women's jewellery in his backpack


Link! (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2120504/Trayvon-Martin-case-He-suspended-school-having-burglary-tool.html#ixzz1qK4cLJIf[/url)



:elvis:

[ELVIS]

Is that how you spell jewelry in Seshland ??

[ELVIS]

Recently divulged information about Trayvon Martin's checkered academic history has added a new dimension to the very public discussion about the deceased teenager's month-old shooting.

As it turns out, Martin was suspended a number of times from Krop Senior High School in Miami Gardens for infractions ranging from tardiness and truancy up to possession of marijuana and a screwdriver that the school's security staff described as a "burglary tool."

The troubling incidents date back to October 2011, when Martin was allegedly caught with a horde of women's jewelry and the aforementioned screwdriver, according the Miami Herald. According to a report issued by Trayvon's school district, on October 21, security camera footage showed Trayvon Martin and two other students writing "W.T.F." on a hallway locker. A security guard saw the footage, detained Trayvon and searched his bag for the offending marker. In the process of the search, the guard uncovered 12 pieces of women's jewelry, a watch and the screwdriver.

Trayvon claimed at the time that an unnamed friend furnished him with the jewelry and temporarily avoided disciplinary action -- only to be subsequently suspended for the graffiti.

School police impounded the jewelry and sent photographs of the items to local police, according the district's own report. Martin was then suspended, warned and dismissed.

The Martin family's attorney confirmed that Trayvon had been suspended for graffiti, but insisted that the the family knew nothing about the jewelry or alleged "burglary tool" mentioned in the school district's report. Both the Martin family and their attorney suggested that the report about Trayvon's disciplinary history was disingenuous and may even have been intended to "demonize" the deceased youth.


:elvis:

[ELVIS]

http://cdn.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/lolcathipster11.jpg

I am Treyvon Martin

[jhale667]

It's pretty funny that we're on a Van Halen board, and people are insinuating that maybe a kid deserved to die because he might have smoked pot and had a problem with some Barney Fife-vigilante asshole following him...

But I guess "Stand Your Ground" only counts if you have a gun....


The assholes reposting the fake Martin photos from Stormfront are helpful, too.

[jhale667]

If Martin was a "thug" why did HE call 911?

http://soundcloud.com/the-mokelly-radio-report/abc7-chicago-acknowledges?utm_source=soundcloud&utm_campaign=mshare&utm_medium=facebook&utm_content=http%3A%2F%2Fsoundcloud.com%2Fthe-mokelly-radio-report%2Fabc7-chicago-acknowledges

[chefcraig]

If Martin was a "thug" why did HE call 911?

http://soundcloud.com/the-mokelly-radio-report/abc7-chicago-acknowledges?utm_source=soundcloud&utm_campaign=mshare&utm_medium=facebook&utm_content=http%3A%2F%2Fsoundcloud.com%2Fthe-mokelly-radio-report%2Fabc7-chicago-acknowledges

That is pretty much a presumption there, friend. I'm unsure how merely dialing 911 makes him a thug or not. For instance, exactly when was the call placed, before, during or after the time he was shot?

[jhale667]

That is pretty much a presumption there, friend. I'm unsure how merely dialing 911 makes him a thug or not. For instance, exactly when was the call placed, before, during or after the time he was shot?

Doubtful it was after. The question being, do most people in the process of "suspicious" activity call 911? "Uh, yeah - I'm casing this place, and there's this weird dude following me..." not gonna happen. Clearly the kid was afraid based on the conversation with his girlfriend and calling 911. The bigger question remains - since all the 911 calls were apparently common knowledge - why is it THIS one (a seemingly important piece of evidence) only surfaced when the Feds started investigating if there WASN'T an attempt to cover something up?

[ELVIS]

Dude, you're trying to make it sound like this Zimmerman idiot saw this black kid skipping down the street eating Skittles, and Zimmerman suddenly went into Ted Nugent mode, stalked the prey and killed it...

If you wanna believe that, go right ahead...


:biggrin:

[hambon4lif]

Records show Zimmerman, 28, called the cops 46 times between January 2011 and Feb. 26.

Many of the calls appear related to his crime-watch volunteer role. The most frequent reason for his calls — nine times — was to report a suspicious person, according to Sanford Police Department records released last week.

over a 14 month period - he called 9 times about a suspicious person - whoo.... bad man ...Wow! Well that justifies everything, doesn't it?:rolleyes:

I had no idea that you can call 9-1-1 whenever McDonalds fucks up your order at the drive-thru or to check-in for your neighborhood watch shift.
I was always led to believe that 9-1-1 was an emergency number....what the hell was I thinking?

[chefcraig]

Doubtful it was after. The question being, do most people in the process of "suspicious" activity call 911? "Uh, yeah - I'm casing this place, and there's this weird dude following me..." not gonna happen. Clearly the kid was afraid based on the conversation with his girlfriend and calling 911. The bigger question remains - since all the 911 calls were apparently common knowledge - why is it THIS one (a seemingly important piece of evidence) only surfaced when the Feds started investigating if there WASN'T an attempt to cover something up?

Who knows anything in this case? The main problem in the whole deal has been the absurd rush to judgement taking place here, along with what could be a general amount of potentially misplaced outrage on both sides before all of the details have come to light. I'm not about to form an opinion on any of it until the truth about what took place comes out, if in fact it ever does. At this point, you have the usual muckraking, self-appointed guardians of society jumping into the frame, making speeches and pretty much clouding the water rather than revealing any insight, other than their own by now predictable agendas. As a result, you have people dedicating their assumptions and opinions not on the facts, but on every 15-30 second soundbite that rears it's ugly head in an unending stream of misinformation.

Seriously, if you are a rational, even semi-lucid adult, who needs this shit?

[jhale667]

Dude, you're trying to make it sound like this Zimmerman idiot saw this black kid skipping down the street eating Skittles, and Zimmerman suddenly went into Ted Nugent mode, stalked the prey and killed it...

If you wanna believe that, go right ahead...


:biggrin:


Is that like how you want to believe the Neighborhood watch guy was justifiable in fatally shooting the kid who punched him for yelling a racial slur at him?

[ELVIS]

Is that like how you want to believe the Neighborhood watch guy was justifiable in fatally shooting the kid who punched him for yelling a racial slur at him?

I never said that, Zimmerman was wrong for doing that, whether he gets away with it or not...

I sure as hell wouldn't shoot someone because they kicked my ass...

But look, this is obviously a fucking stupid ass hispanic who decided to shoot some black guy in Miami...happens every fucking day...

Neither one is innocent...


:elvis:

[ELVIS]

Personally, I'm offended that these dumbasses are calling this spic a cracker...:biggrin:

[chefcraig]

But look, this is obviously a fucking stupid ass hispanic who decided to shoot some black guy in Miami...happens every fucking day...

Not quite. Sanford, a suburb of Orlando, is north of Miami by roughly 250 miles, as the crow flies.

[jhale667]

Who knows anything in this case? The main problem in the whole deal has been the absurd rush to judgement taking place here, along with what could be a general amount of potentially misplaced outrage on both sides before all of the details have come to light. I'm not about to form an opinion on any of it until the truth about what took place comes out, if in fact it ever does. At this point, you have the usual muckraking, self-appointed guardians of society jumping into the frame, making speeches and pretty much clouding the water rather than revealing any insight, other than their own by now predictable agendas. As a result, you have people dedicating their assumptions and opinions not on the facts, but on every 15-30 second soundbite that rears it's ugly head in an unending stream of misinformation.

Seriously, if you are a rational, even semi-lucid adult, who needs this shit?


Dude, if you're a rational, even semi-lucid adult, the police letting Zimmerman go without collecting any evidence after a fatal shooting - even if it is presumed to be self-defense - is suspect, bottom line. The fact that the kid had ID and a cell-phone on him and yet was still kept as a John Doe for days is also suspect (the cops reportedly didn't even bother calling the last few numbers dialed on the phone). Racial component aside (this is seemingly off-brown-on-black crime anyway), the investigation was botched - had there been no media attention, there may not have even been an investigation. It stinks.

You're a Florida resident - is the Sanford P.D.'s reputation as bad as reported?

[ELVIS]

I was always led to believe that 9-1-1 was an emergency number....what the hell was I thinking?

Hell yeah!!

"Do dis be 911?

Da dalla stoh bees out of my tampons, so's I goes to da bitch at the countah and slips on da flow she bees moppin' and now I don't bees feelin' my foots and legs!

Call da POPO!!!"


:elvis:

[ELVIS]

Not quite. Sanford, a suburb of Orlando, is north of Miami by roughly 250 miles, as the crow flies.

Ahh...same thing...:biggrin:

[jhale667]

Neither one is innocent...





How do you figure that, if Martin was indeed merely walking home minding his own business?

[ELVIS]

How do you figure that, if Martin was indeed merely walking home minding his own business?

First of all, he didn't live there...

Secondly, he must have done something the communist watch guy didn't like...

[ELVIS]

You're a Florida resident - is the Sanford P.D.'s reputation as bad as reported?

I know a bit about the place...

It's a fucking pill infested college town with strip clubs on every corner...

The cops probably suck...

[chefcraig]

Dude, if you're a rational, even semi-lucid adult, the police letting Zimmerman go without collecting any evidence after a fatal shooting - even if it is presumed to be self-defense - is suspect, bottom line. The fact that the kid had ID and a cell-phone on him and yet was still kept as a John Doe for days is also suspect (the cops reportedly didn't even bother calling the last few numbers dialed on the phone). Racial component aside (this is seemingly off-brown-on-black crime anyway), the investigation was botched - had there been no media attention, there may not have even been an investigation. It stinks.

You're a Florida resident - is the Sanford P.D.'s reputation as bad as reported?

OK, the investigation (or more properly, the lack of one) is yet another indictment of the overall insipid nature of policing and politics that take precedent over just about everything else in this state, next to greed and obnoxious, unconscionably awful behavior. Hardly what you'd call news in a place where corruption is the norm, not an anomaly. (I'm keenly aware that in light of the kid's death, this sounds considerably heartless. Having lived here for over 4 decades, one tends to lose much of one's compassion, let alone sympathy for one's fellow residents. Hell, consider yourself lucky if you know the names of any of your neighbors, let alone the guy that lives next door.)

Am I jaded? That depends on your personal point of view. To me, I'm being a realist. The case has been a giant cluster-fuck since the beginning, yet no amount of moral outrage (that just happens to be based not on facts but on assumptions gathered by the occasional news-break) is going to change that. The kid is dead, and isn't coming back. With the media and boneheads like Al "Sharp-As-A-Marble" and Jesse "Blaxploitation" encouraging grieving people to scream for justice or better yet, create it outside of the law is tantamount to anarchy.

I just find it odd that while no one has ever been able to exactly pin down just what it is that Jackson and Sharpton do for a paycheck, they are always capable of affording to hop on a plane in order to make their usual speeches and rabble-rousing nonsense, acting as advocates for what allegedly passes for modern black morality. Having these nitwits advise anyone on what to think and how to behave makes about as much sense as having a vegetarian tell someone that likes steak or raises cattle for a living to give up meat, sell the ranch and start eating granola, because it's morally correct or justified.

[jhale667]

First of all, he didn't live there...

Secondly, he must have done something the communist watch guy didn't like...


He was staying there with family members, close enough... And yeah, he was apparently guilty of walking while black.


I just find it odd that while no one has ever been able to exactly pin down just what it is that Jackson and Sharpton do for a paycheck, they are always capable of affording to hop on a plane in order to make their usual speeches and rabble-rousing nonsense, acting as advocates for what allegedly passes for modern black morality. Having these nitwits advise anyone on what to think and how to behave makes about as much sense as having a vegetarian tell someone that likes steak or raises cattle for a living to give up meat, sell the ranch and start eating granola, because it's morally correct or justified.


No disagreement there, I don't think Sharpton and Jackson should be anywhere near this case...

[FORD]

I know a bit about the place...

It's a fucking pill infested college town with strip clubs on every corner...


That doesn't sound so bad :biggrin:

[chefcraig]

No disagreement there, I don't think Sharpton and Jackson should be anywhere near this case...

It really is mystifying. These guys arrive out of nowhere to appear at some race-related hot-spot, make a series of highly combustible comments, then slither back under whatever slime-encrusted rock they have been hiding out beneath until the next occasion comes along. About the only thing you can clearly come away with when these two imbeciles show up is that the facts about whatever they are talking about are nebulous as hell.

[jhale667]

It really is mystifying. These guys arrive out of nowhere to appear at some race-related hot-spot, make a series of highly combustible comments, then slither back under whatever slime-encrusted rock they have been hiding out beneath until the next occasion comes along. About the only thing you can clearly come away with when these two imbeciles show up is that the facts about whatever they are talking about are nebulous as hell.

Sharpton should stick to being a host/commentator on MSNBC and stay far away from incidents like these. He'll never live down the Tawana Brawley thing IMO, and him being around makes things seem more questionable. He's not helping, even if he thinks he is.

[chefcraig]

He'll never live down the Tawana Brawley thing IMO, and him being around makes things seem more questionable. He's not helping, even if he thinks he is.

What was that Dave Roth line about "selective amnesia?" It would appear that Sharpton has made a career upon his own (and the general public's) engagement of the device.

[MUSICMANN]

Let's all kinda step back and look at this situation with a little perception and reality. Doesn't matter if there was a racial slur called out. The facts remain that if you as a person decide to confront the other person for whatever reason, you better be damn prepared for what you may get entangled in. I have to ask, would this have even made the news past the very local area, if the black teen would have killed the white/Hispanic guy, i don't think so. You surely wouldn't have seen the usual suspects that crawl out from under the rocks that do nothing more than build up more tension and hatred. You really wouldn't have seen any president take the kind of stand that Obama has taken on this matter as well.

The facts remain that black on black crime is rampant in neighborhoods across this country and none of that makes national headlines like this. Whatever the outcome of this situation turns to be, the facts remains that a person lost their life over a miscalculated action that happened between to people. As unfortunate as that is, everyone must take responsibility for their own actions and not be so fast to pass judgement on either of the two men involved, and really understand this was a human on human situation, nothing more.

[jhale667]

What was that Dave Roth line about "selective amnesia?" It would appear that Sharpton has made a career upon his own (and the general public's) engagement of the device.


He's actually done a lot of good over the years since then and tried to rehabilitate his reputation, think he even worked with Newtered on some bipartisan project pre-election time, but I've never forgotten him doing what amounted to shouting "fire" in a crowded theater as far as race-relations go. Sure, he was fooled like everyone else at the time, but he kind of became the poster child for false accusations of that type. Pretty doubtful there's any falsehoods being perpetrated by the Martin family, but if it were me I wouldn't want him anywhere near it.

[gbranton]

I just find it odd that while no one has ever been able to exactly pin down just what it is that Jackson and Sharpton do for a paycheck, they are always capable of affording to hop on a plane in order to make their usual speeches and rabble-rousing nonsense, acting as advocates for what allegedly passes for modern black morality.

In legal terms it's called extortion.

Take for example his shakedown of Toyota. He claimed there weren't enough minorities working in their factories and he threatened to shut them down and make them look bad in the press and Toyota buckled, as part of the deal they diverted part of a $300 million bond offering to his supporters. Toyota claims the bond offering was merely a "coincidence," unrelated to its agreement with Jackson to boost minority participation at the company. Yeah, right.

How about when his sons received beer distribution franchises from one of the nation's largest breweries after threats of a huge boycott?

The man is nothing but a criminal operating as a self proclaimed minister. The difference between him and Anthony Soprano is that he only puts a FIGURATIVE gun to your head.

[kwame k]

Nailed it......the guy is a race extortionist and has bilked millions out of companies for him and his "family".

He could give less than a fuck about his race and yet people follow him like he's a Messiah.....idiots!

[jhale667]

Jackson and Sharpton aside, this is the larger question.

[Headly1984]

Jackson and Sharpton aside, this is the larger question.

sure wish they shot that video at night - off campus, and used a wider sampling of 17/18 y/o males

that video is pure race baiting - I could drive down to my cities impoverished section or any neighborhood for that matter, even in front of my house sometimes - and video a small group of kids/young adults wearing hoodies up and baggie jeans any night of the week - then post that vid and ask - do they look suspicious ?

the answer without the college campus as a setting and the light of day and the answer might be - maybe ..

[ELVIS]

Jackson and Sharpton aside, this is the larger question.

You're way out on the deep end with that bullshit...

NO ONE'S ABOVE SUSPICION !!

I'll fucking profile anyone I fucking want...

And yes, some of those guys look suspicious...extremely suspicious...


:elvis:

[jhale667]

You're way out on the deep end with that bullshit...

NO ONE'S ABOVE SUSPICION !!

I'll fucking profile anyone I fucking want...

And yes, some of those guys look suspicious...extremely suspicious...


:elvis:

You're the one with your head up your ass. No one said anyone is above suspicion. The question is - why exactly in your narrow mind do they AUTOMATICALLY look "suspicious" again?

[chefcraig]

The question is - why exactly in your narrow mind do they AUTOMATICALLY look "suspicious" again?

It's the hoodies, and ELVIS is right. I don't trust the bastards that wear 'em, either.



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[jhale667]

It's the hoodies, and ELVIS is right. I don't trust the bastards that wear 'em, either.




Yeah, that's the ticket...
Gotta love that barely 10 seconds after Geraldo made that idiotic comment, someone had already posted a picture of him and Bill O'Reilly at a basketball game together - BOTH wearing hoodies.

[jhale667]

"Many parents keep their hoodies in an unlocked drawer where their kids can get at them. That's why my hoodies are hidden in the back of my gun closet." -- Stephen Colbert


:hee:

[kwame k]

This story is a classic case of how 24 hour news cycles can take conjuncture and speculation and spin it into "news".

On the one side.....people are trying to portray this kid as a drug dealing hood, a kid who was asking to be shot. Using the thinnest of evidence to paint him as a gangster, trying to connect the dots to a larger picture that may or may not be true.

The moralists are blowing his suspension from school out of proportion......"He's a thug because he got suspended", how many people here were ever suspended from school? Does that make you a thug and in his case, justifies the killing? He tweeted/Facebooked about pot......wow! A teenager who smokes dope and gets suspended from school! He deserved it, he should of been hung!!!!!!!!

They're trying to desperately paint this kid into a picture that'll fit with the, "be afraid, very afraid", news bullshit that sells advertising time.

On the other side.....you have a self-appointed vigilante who went looking for trouble and found it. This guy has made how many calls to 911? Walking around armed in a gated community.....so they portray this guy as an aggressive vigilante who was itching to kill him some thugs! Is this fair and unbiased reporting or sensational journalism to fill time, in absence of any real facts.

Then you brig in the grieving family who paint this kid as a saint.......of course his mother is going to say good things about him, even serial killers parents do that.

You bring in the other guy's friends who paint this guy as a hero......defender of truth and justice.

Then you get the opposite side where they say this guy was itching to kill someone......was an aggressive racist just waiting for someone to confront him so he could kill.

Then you get the opposite side where they say this kid did nothing wrong other than walking at night while being black.

All this airtime and print being dedicated to this story when we have the most bare bones of facts......so-called experts claiming innocence and guilt depending on their personal agenda.

The truth is we may never know the complete story.......but that hasn't stopped this fucking news media fiasco from trying to become the "story of the century".

Wonder who'll they get to play the kid in the movie of the week that's already in production!

Fucking pathetic......on both sides!