View Full Version : Ha...Birthers Want Proof Romney Is a U.S. Citizen.....
Hardrock69
03-26-2012, 06:30 PM
http://now.msn.com/now/0322-romney-vs-birthers.aspx#.T2-OnxyG87I.facebook
Birthers want proof that Mitt Romney was born in America
No, you read that right. You might think birthers are crazy conspiracy theorists, but you can't say they're inconsistent. The fringe group of politicians and concerned voters who have long dogged President Obama for "proof" that he is a natural born citizen are now targeting Mitt Romney. They demand that the California Secretary of State produce evidence that Mitt is eligible to run for president. One birther explains that Romney's citizenship is up for debate because his dad was born in Mexico. Thats right, Mitt Romney's father was born in the Mexican colony that Mitt's great-grandfather founded after fleeing the United States so he could stay married to Romney's four great-grandmothers. Let's all just let that sink in for a moment.
gbranton
03-26-2012, 06:48 PM
I think everyone should be REQUIRED to submit proof as a matter of course. I have had to produce my birth certifcate several times throughout my life and I assure you none of it was as important as running for President. It IS in the Constitution, after all.
ELVIS
03-26-2012, 07:51 PM
Exactly...
These fucking inbreds can't read at all, or they would know that it doesn't matter worth a shit where Romney's father was born. If he was born in the US, he's a citizen.
The real irony here, of course, is the fact that Mitt's father actually ran for President in the 60s. He didn't make it through the primaries, but I doubt his birthplace, or even his Mormon religion, had anything to do with it.
The OTHER real irony of course, is that every last one of these birther cowards voted in 2008 for a man who WAS actually born on foreign soil.
ELVIS
03-26-2012, 10:36 PM
The birthers voted for Obama ??
The birthers voted for Obama ??
No, Obama was born in Hawaii, which had been a state for 2 years when he was born, and had been an official US territory for decades before that.
John McCain was born in a hospital in Colon Panama, which was just outside of the US controlled canal zone, so it wasn't US soil by any definition. Of course McCain's parents were US citizens, so his citizenship transfers from them, despite being born on foreign soil. But in strictly literal terms, John McCain is not a "natural born US citizen" like Obama and Mittens are.
Nitro Express
03-26-2012, 11:52 PM
McCain was not a natural born citizen. Niether was Obama since his father was not a US Citizen and his mother was too young to transfer citizenship. Sure they are technicalities but both candidates failed the test of being "natural born". Both shouldn't have been allowed to run in the presidential race.
The reality is McCain very well could have been the worse of the two candidates. At least Obama hasn't attacked Iran yet. McCain probably would have and we very well could be in World War III now if McCain won. We would have still gotten the corporate/banker favoritism and reckless spending. We might have avoided the rip-off no single payer feed the insurance companies or else healthcare plan fiasco but we might be in World War III instead with McCain and Palin hunkered down in the government bunker somewhere.
I just see it as this fucked up situtation vs the other fucked up situaton.
McCain was not a natural born citizen. Niether was Obama since his father was not a US Citizen and his mother was too young to transfer citizenship. Sure they are technicalities but both candidates failed the test of being "natural born". Both shouldn't have been allowed to run in the presidential race.
There is no need to transfer citizenship if you are born on US soil. Obama is a natural born citizen, regardless of where EITHER of his parents are from. This is why racists always bitch about so-called "anchor babies", because if a pregnant woman jumps the fence in Nogales and pops the kid out on this side, the baby is a citizen, even though she is not. But not likely to be deported with a new born baby. It certainly could be argued that such pregnant women are abusing the Constitution by doing this, but I oppose any efforts to change this law, because once they can legally deny citizenship to anybody born in the US, they can take it away from YOU just as easily. Same thing applies to the efforts of the BCE and others on the extreme right to propose scenarios when you could have US citizenship "removed" if you opposed anything they did.
Nitro Express
03-27-2012, 12:11 AM
Actually the government with all the crazy stuff it's been trying to do lately wants to strip a US citizen of their citizenship on the fly.
Nitro Express
03-27-2012, 12:17 AM
There is no need to transfer citizenship if you are born on US soil. Obama is a natural born citizen, regardless of where EITHER of his parents are from. This is why racists always bitch about so-called "anchor babies", because if a pregnant woman jumps the fence in Nogales and pops the kid out on this side, the baby is a citizen, even though she is not. But not likely to be deported with a new born baby. It certainly could be argued that such pregnant women are abusing the Constitution by doing this, but I oppose any efforts to change this law, because once they can legally deny citizenship to anybody born in the US, they can take it away from YOU just as easily. Same thing applies to the efforts of the BCE and others on the extreme right to propose scenarios when you could have US citizenship "removed" if you opposed anything they did.
Natural Born is not well defined. The Supreme Court needs to specifically define it and until they do, it's up in the air.
The Constitution does not define the phrase natural-born citizen, and various opinions have been offered over time regarding its precise meaning. The Congressional Research Service has stated that the weight of scholarly legal and historical opinion indicates that the term means one who is entitled under the Constitution or laws of the United States to U.S. citizenship "at birth" or "by birth," including any child born "in" the United States, even to alien parents (other than to foreign diplomats serving their country), the children of United States citizens born abroad, and those born abroad of one citizen parent who has met U.S. residency requirements.[1]
The natural-born-citizen clause has been mentioned in passing in several decisions of the United States Supreme Court and lower courts dealing with the question of eligibility for citizenship by birth, but the Supreme Court has never directly addressed the question of a specific presidential or vice-presidential candidate's eligibility as a natural-born citizen.
Nitro Express
03-27-2012, 12:25 AM
There was this really hot chick laying out by the pool at an apartment complex I used to live in. Being single and on the prowl I started up a conversation and she was from Chihuaha, Mexico. She was this beautiful tall caucasian girl and was about as far from being Mexican as you could get. It turns out her ancestors were polygamists that fled to Mexico from Utah when the federal government were arresting them. Some fled to Mexico and some fled to Alberta, Canada. Apparently there are quite a few poligs in British Columbia. Anyways she was a good Mormon girl and I wasn't going to get anything so I moved on.
Since Brigham Young was successful at converting the scandinavians and bringing them over to Utah there is a pretty good gene pool in the mormon church. Lot's of tall beautiful blondes in that church. They might be somewhat fucked in the head from all the dogma and brainwashing but they do make it a point to look good. Some of the most materialistic people I have ever met though. Kind of like rich muslim women. They enable what oppresses them but they love their makeup and designer clothes.
DONNIEP
03-27-2012, 12:26 AM
Actually the government with all the crazy stuff it's been trying to do lately wants to strip a US citizen of their citizenship on the fly.
Hmmm...somebody else tried this not too long ago.
knuckleboner
03-27-2012, 12:37 AM
McCain was not a natural born citizen. Niether was Obama since his father was not a US Citizen and his mother was too young to transfer citizenship. Sure they are technicalities but both candidates failed the test of being "natural born". Both shouldn't have been allowed to run in the presidential race.
yes they were. natural born citizen is not defined in the constitution. congress has passed laws to determine what a natural born citizen is, and both mccain and obama met that test.
knuckleboner
03-27-2012, 12:38 AM
Natural Born is not well defined. The Supreme Court needs to specifically define it and until they do, it's up in the air.
not true. UNLESS the supreme court rules that the congressional law is unconstitutional, then it is assumed to be a valid law.
Nitro Express
03-27-2012, 01:03 AM
not true. UNLESS the supreme court rules that the congressional law is unconstitutional, then it is assumed to be a valid law.
It would probably take amending the constitution and clarifying natural born citizen in the document itself. That would open up a whole new can of worms. You would have people wanting both parents to be citizens and then you would have people wanting just the baby being born here to have citizenship. Since we have a congress that can't even pass a simple budget. Amending the constitution is far beyond the current batch of bozos and I'm not so sure I even want them going there.
knuckleboner
03-27-2012, 01:06 AM
It would probably take amending the constitution and clarifying natural born citizen in the document itself. That would open up a whole new can of worms. You would have people wanting both parents to be citizens and then you would have people wanting just the baby being born here to have citizenship. Since we have a congress that can't even pass a simple budget. Amending the constitution is far beyond the current batch of bozos and I'm not so sure I even want them going there.
ha, i agree with you there. this congress (both sides) should leave the constitution alone. perhaps a more responsible congress some day could take a look.
Nitro Express
03-27-2012, 01:13 AM
If anything, the Supreme Court should step in more than it has. But then they are busy and it's a slow process. The congress and the president are getting a bit wild here. Most the things I didn't like in the deffense appropriations bill were sponsored by McCain but then Obama signs it into law. Go figure. At that point I just said it doesn't fucking matter who won. LOL! Without some campaign reform it's pretty much a lost cause. The big money is just going to keep buying off the politicians and getting their way.
Seshmeister
03-27-2012, 08:48 AM
These fucking inbreds can't read at all, or they would know that it doesn't matter worth a shit where Romney's father was born. If he was born in the US, he's a citizen.
The real irony here, of course, is the fact that Mitt's father actually ran for President in the 60s. He didn't make it through the primaries, but I doubt his birthplace, or even his Mormon religion, had anything to do with it.
It's depressing that apart from a few exceptions even in the 21st century both of our countries have a ruling class.
Meritocracy my cockhole.
Switch84
03-27-2012, 05:22 PM
I'll admit that I try to ignore anything coming from the extreme wing of any of the parties and didn't know some were questioning Mitt Romney's citizenship. Mitt was born in Detroit, Mi. Last time I checked, that city/state is still a part of the United States, baby...
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