Arizona Passes Sweeping Internet Censorship Bill

[ELVIS]

Legislation to make it illegal to use “offensive” language online

Steve Watson (http://www.infowars.com/arizona-passes-sweeping-internet-censorship-bill/)

April 2, 2012


The state legislature of Arizona has passed a bill that vastly broadens telephone harassment laws and applies them to the Internet and other means of electronic communication.

The law, which is being pushed under the guise of an anti-bullying campaign, would mean that anything communicated or published online that was deemed to be “offensive” by the state, including editorials, illustrations, and even satire could be criminally punished.

The Comic Book Legal Defense Fund breaks down Arizona House Bill 2549:

“The bill is sweepingly broad, and would make it a crime to communicate via electronic means speech that is intended to ‘annoy,’ ‘offend,’ ‘harass’ or ‘terrify,’ as well as certain sexual speech. Because the bill is not limited to one-to-one communications, H.B. 2549 would apply to the Internet as a whole, thus criminalizing all manner of writing, cartoons, and other protected material the state finds offensive or annoying.”

First Amendment activist group Media Coalition has written to Arizona Governor Jan Brewer, urging her not to sign the legislation into law.

The letter notes that the terms used in the bill are not defined in the statute or by reference, and thereby the law could be broadly applied to almost any statement.

“H.B. 2549 would make it a crime to use any electronic or digital device to communicate using obscene, lewd or profane language or to suggest a lewd or lascivious act if done with intent to ‘annoy,’ ‘offend,’ ‘harass’ or ‘terrify,’” the letter notes. … ‘Lewd’ and ‘profane’ are not defined in the statute or by reference. ‘Lewd’ is generally understood to mean lusty or sexual in nature and ‘profane’ is generally defined as disrespectful or irreverent about religion or religious practices.”

“H.B. 2549 is not limited to a one to one conversation between two specific people. The communication does not need to be repetitive or even unwanted. There is no requirement that the recipient or subject of the speech actually feel offended, annoyed or scared. Nor does the legislation make clear that the communication must be intended to offend or annoy the reader, the subject or even any specific person.” the letter continues.

In this respect the law could even technically be applied to someone posting a status update on Facebook.

“Speech protected by the First Amendment is often intended to offend, annoy or scare but could be prosecuted under this law.”The Media Coalition letter continues.

“A Danish newspaper posted pictures of Muhammad that were intended to be offensive to make a point about religious tolerance. If a Muslim in Arizona considers the images profane and is offended, the paper could be prosecuted. Some Arizona residents may consider Rush Limbaugh’s recent comments about a Georgetown law student lewd. He could be prosecuted if he intended his comments to be offensive. Similarly, much general content available in the media uses racy or profane language and is intended to offend, annoy or even terrify.”

“Bill Maher’s stand up routines and Jon Stewart’s nightly comedy program, Ann Coulter’s books criticizing liberals and Christopher Hitchens’ expressions of his disdain for religion, Stephen King’s novels or the Halloween films all could be subject to this legislation. Even common taunting about sports between rival fans done online is frequently meant to offend or annoy, and is often done using salty and profane language.”

This type of legislation is far from unprecedented. Last year, former president Bill Clinton proposed a law to censor internet speech. “It would be a legitimate thing to do,” Clinton said in an interview that aired on CNBC. Clinton suggested the government should set-up an agency that monitors all media speech for supposed factual errors.

“That is, it would be like, I don’t know, National Public Radio or BBC or something like that, except it would have to be really independent and they would not express opinions, and their mandate would be narrowly confined to identifying relevant factual errors” he said. “And also, they would also have to have citations so that they could be checked in case they made a mistake. Somebody needs to be doing it, and maybe it’s a worthy expenditure of taxpayer money.”

Cass Sunstein, head the Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs, has also proposed banning speech on the internet that the government disagrees with. Sunstein proposed the creation of an internet “Fairness Doctrine” similar to the one that was used for years to limit and eliminate free speech on the radio.

This legislation represents yet another move to police and control freedom of expression via the internet. Once again it grants the state and the government the direct right to determine what is and is not “offensive” on a whim. It then allows for the prosecution of individuals and organisations based on such summations – an extremely dangerous precedent to set.



:elvis:

[Jagermeister]

jhale is so screwed. :biggrin:

[jhale667]

jhale is so screwed. :biggrin:


Don't worry, I'll be sure not to post from Arizona, f***tard. :hee:

[sadaist]

There goes all the Roth Army AZ members posting here against the sheep. :(

Pete's Bro...we hardly knew ye.

[fryingdutchman]

Good luck with this shit, Arizona. Way to prioritize the issues....

How about stronger gun laws to keep your elected officials (and other folks, too) from getting shot in the head?

[Nitro Express]

Where is the state going to get the money to police the internet? I swear, we have bankers literally taking money out of people's accounts and nothing is done about that but they want to go after someone who does something obscene on the internet. Give me a fucking break. I feel like dumping a bunch of porn on the Arizona state house from an airplane pulling a banner that says "FUCK YOU!"

[Nitro Express]

Good luck with this shit, Arizona. Way to prioritize the issues....

How about stronger gun laws to keep your elected officials (and other folks, too) from getting shot in the head?

You can't kill anything that doesn't have a brain with a head shot.

[BITEYOASS]

Well I'm glad I no longer live there. Because now I can post "Janet Brewer is an Alzheimers-riddled Zombie!" anytime I want. :bigwink:

[ELVIS]

Not for long...

This bullshit needs to stop!!!

A federal regulation such as this is right around the corner if the people refuse to wake the fuck up...


:elvis:

[jhale667]

Well I'm glad I no longer live there. Because now I can post "Janet Brewer is an Alzheimers-riddled Zombie!" anytime I want. :bigwink:

:lmao:

[Little Texan]

Arizona is quickly becoming like Nazi era Germany. First with the illegal immigration bill they passed a couple of years back that authorized gestapo like tactics, and now this internet censorship bill. Sieg Heil, Fuhrer Jan Brewer!

http://members.buenamusica.com/file/pic/photo/2010/04/Politico-jan-brewer-arizona-s-nazi-governor.jpg

[BITEYOASS]

All we can hope for is a sequel to Machete!

http://impawards.com/2010/posters/machete_ver6.jpg

[Nitro Express]

Not for long...

This bullshit needs to stop!!!

A federal regulation such as this is right around the corner if the people refuse to wake the fuck up...


:elvis:

From a federal government that says you have no due process and the military can throw you in jail for even being suspected of doing something. Put it this way, the legislature and the executive don't match the constitution anymore.

Obama said something stupid. He said the Supreme Court is an unelected body and if it makes a decision against what the people want then the judges are failing in their duty regarding his health care plan. Well Obama, your health care plan was rammed through without the proper debates. Nobody knew what was in it until it passed. It's not popular with the people. Also Supreme Court justices have the job of seeing if laws are constitutional, not popular. They aren't there to win a popularity contest, they are there to make sure the unpopular are protected from mob rule.

This country is not a democracy it's a constitutional republic. Democracies turn into lynch mobs.

With all these bullshit laws the Supreme Court has it's work cut out for it until we somehow can get rid of these politicians and get someone better in their place. Inflatable sex dolls would do a better job.

[Nitro Express]

Arizona is quickly becoming like Nazi era Germany. First with the illegal immigration bill they passed a couple of years back that authorized gestapo like tactics, and now this internet censorship bill. Sieg Heil, Fuhrer Jan Brewer!

http://members.buenamusica.com/file/pic/photo/2010/04/Politico-jan-brewer-arizona-s-nazi-governor.jpg

She makes one scary Nazi bitch. She probably uses a Arizona cactus for a sex toy.

[PETE'S BROTHER]

She makes one scary Nazi bitch. She probably uses a Arizona cactus for a sex toy.

two of 'em, for those dp kinda nights

[PETE'S BROTHER]

i find this one more disturbing...

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2012/03/30/20120330arizona-bill-mining-firms-pollution.html

[PETE'S BROTHER]

Arizona is quickly becoming like Nazi era Germany. First with the illegal immigration bill they passed a couple of years back that authorized gestapo like tactics, and now this internet censorship bill. Sieg Heil, Fuhrer Jan Brewer!

http://members.buenamusica.com/file/pic/photo/2010/04/Politico-jan-brewer-arizona-s-nazi-governor.jpg

now, now. those "gestapo like tactics" are used at every circle k every day. "may i see your i.d. ?"

[PETE'S BROTHER]

Good luck with this shit, Arizona. Way to prioritize the issues....

How about stronger gun laws to keep your elected officials (and other folks, too) from getting shot in the head?

and stronger knife laws, numchuck laws, slingshot laws, really big heavy things laws, coaxial cable laws, scissors laws, pruning shears/sheers? laws, sticks laws, medicine laws, poison laws, fist laws, shards of glass laws, vehicles laws, and any other weapon laws that these fucked up assholes choose to use to take the life of another.

[FORD]

Fucking racist nazi cunt Jan Brewer. I'm thoroughly disgusted with what you (and your sidekick Joe Arpaio) have done to my "other" home state :(

[DONNIEP]

Your tax dollars at work...

[FORD]

i find this one more disturbing...

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2012/03/30/20120330arizona-bill-mining-firms-pollution.html

I guess it doesn't bother Nazi Cunt Brewer that Phoenix is competing with LA and Houston for the dubious honor of "Most polluted city in America".

[Nitro Express]

My niece moved to the Phoenix area because her husband started dental school there. She says they live in a new subdivision and almost everything is for sale and empty. I guess it like Vegas boomed and busted. The state never appealed to me. It might be nice in the winter but fuck that summer heat.

[FORD]

100 degrees of dry heat is better than 90 degrees of heat with humidity any day. Now when it gets up to 120, it's just goddamn hot anyway you look at it, but that's why God created air conditioners.

[fryingdutchman]

A good article snippet about Arizona gun laws from www.npr.org. This shit is unbelievable. I am dumbfounded how in an age where school shootings have become the norm, that this state would relax gun laws even further to allow teachers and students to carry onto campuses.

On November 30, Jared Lee Loughner went to a Sportman's Warehouse in Tuscon, Ariz., and purchased a Glock 19 semiautomatic weapon, after passing an instant background check.

He allegedly used that weapon in the January 8 shooting rampage that killed at least six people and wounded Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-AZ) and 13 others in Tuscon.

Arizona's gun laws, among the most lenient in the country, allowed Loughner to conceal and carry his firearm without a permit, explains Washington Post reporter James Grimaldi. Grimaldi, a Pulitzer Prize-winning investigative reporter, wrote a piece on Sunday about Arizona's gun laws.

"Essentially, there is very little obstacle to purchasing a weapon in the state of Arizona," Grimaldi tells Fresh Air's Terry Gross. "There are laws that require you, federally, to be at least 21 years old to purchase a handgun. But basically state law permits anyone 21 and older to own a firearm and also, to carry it concealed in the state. That's different than many other states, many of which have stricter gun laws."

In January 2010, Gov. Jan Brewer signed a bill which repealed an Arizona state law that required gun owners to have permits to carry concealed weapons. Arizona's previous governor Janet Napolitano, now the Homeland Security secretary, had vetoed previous attempts from the gun lobby to scrap the permit requirement. Arizona also allows gun owners to carry their weapons almost everywhere in the state, including government buildings and inside the state Capitol. Exceptions exist for private businesses and doctor's offices.

There's a proposal [in Arizona] that would allow teachers and students to carry [weapons] into classrooms and that was meant to be a hedge against what happened at Virginia Tech," says Grimaldi. "It's permitted in a bar [to carry a weapon] in Arizona if the person who has the weapon is not imbibing in alcohol. It's also permitted on school grounds currently if the person is picking up or dropping off a child as long as the weapon is unloaded and the gun owner remains in the vehicle.

[ELVIS]

This shit is unbelievable. I am dumbfounded how in an age where school shootings have become the norm, that this state would relax gun laws even further to allow teachers and students to carry onto campuses.

[/i][/b]

I am dumbfounded as to why you (obviously) think people being armed is a bad thing...

[BITEYOASS]

Well there are definitely some college students that should not be armed at all times! In particular: drunken frat-boys, athletes prone to anger, hard-core drug users, and psycho feminists who think everything is rape.

[BITEYOASS]

Plus I think it should be the discretion of the property owner on whether or not a patron is allowed to bring a weapon on the premises.

[fryingdutchman]

I am dumbfounded as to why you (obviously) think people being armed is a bad thing...

I don't think that people being armed is a bad thing. Don't shove the Constitution down my throat, ELBOW. If it's law enforcement, responsible citizens, or licensed hunters I'm fine with it.

But I think that a concerted effort to make it even easier for every single human in the state of Arizona to get their hands on a firearm is stupid. Especially when you consider that many of them are probably closet psychos or criminals bent on using them for harm, not defense.

If you agree with Jan Brewer repealing a law requiring a permit for concealed weapons and then adding the bonus of "hey, feel free to bring your weapons to school and government buildings", then you're fucked in the head.

[fryingdutchman]

I am dumbfounded as to why you (obviously) think people being armed is a bad thing...

And I'm dumbfounded as to why you (obviously) think people being black is a bad thing....

[ELVIS]

If Treyvon had his gun with him he'd still be alive today...

[ELVIS]

I don't think that people being armed is a bad thing. Don't shove the Constitution down my throat, ELBOW. If it's law enforcement, responsible citizens, or licensed hunters I'm fine with it.

But I think that a concerted effort to make it even easier for every single human in the state of Arizona to get their hands on a firearm is stupid. Especially when you consider that many of them are probably closet psychos or criminals bent on using them for harm, not defense.

If you agree with Jan Brewer repealing a law requiring a permit for concealed weapons and then adding the bonus of "hey, feel free to bring your weapons to school and government buildings", then you're fucked in the head.

The bad guys will always have guns, ALWAYS, whether they are legal or not...

Advocating tough gun laws based on the assumption that some people are "closet psychos" is what's fucked in the head...

Disarming the public is dangerous. It leaves people as defenseless victims on their day-to-day routines...

A big bad (insert color here_________) thug will think twice about robbing grandma if he thinks grandma is packing heat...


:elvis:

[Jagermeister]

The bad guys will always have guns, ALWAYS, whether they are legal or not...

Advocating tough gun laws based on the assumption that some people are "closet psychos" is what's fucked in the head...

Disarming the public is dangerous. It leaves people as defenseless victims on their day-to-day routines...

A big bad (insert color here_________) thug will think twice about robbing grandma if he thinks grandma is packing heat...


:elvis:

Very true.

[Seshmeister]

If Treyvon had his gun with him he'd still be alive today...

Yeah that whole no gun control thing in the US really shows that having guns means people are less likely to be killed. :)

[ELVIS]

See that Seshmeister ??

He's a right numpty...


:elvis:

[jhale667]

The bad guys will always have guns, ALWAYS, whether they are legal or not...

Advocating tough gun laws based on the assumption that some people are "closet psychos" is what's fucked in the head...

Disarming the public is dangerous. It leaves people as defenseless victims on their day-to-day routines...

A big bad (insert color here_________) thug will think twice about robbing grandma if he thinks grandma is packing heat...




Doubtful.
What about the statistic indicating people with guns in their houses are more likely to have them used ON them than actually use them for defense?

[ELVIS]

Show me that statistic and it's orgin...

[fryingdutchman]

If Treyvon had his gun with him he'd still be alive today...

Now that's just plain ol' talking out of your ass, E.

You know that how?

[fryingdutchman]

Show me that statistic and it's orgin...

You gave up the right to demand factual backup on statements in this thread after you posted this..


If Treyvon had his gun with him he'd still be alive today...

[fryingdutchman]

The bad guys will always have guns, ALWAYS, whether they are legal or not...

Advocating tough gun laws based on the assumption that some people are "closet psychos" is what's fucked in the head...

Disarming the public is dangerous. It leaves people as defenseless victims on their day-to-day routines...

A big bad (insert color here_________) thug will think twice about robbing grandma if he thinks grandma is packing heat...


:elvis:

I agree that the bad guys will always have guns.

However, advocating tougher gun laws and assuming that many people might be out to do more harm than good is perfectly sensible. If the good, responsible citizens have to jump through more hoops to get their weapons because of the "bad apples" who spoil the bunch, so be it.

The good guys will still get their weapon, and maybe (just maybe) more psycho-assholes will be stopped in their tracks.

As inconvenient as it is and "over-the-top" as it may seem once in awhile, that mentality seems to be working for the airlines. They assume that EVERYONE is potentially up to no good, which is why flying sucks these days. But I make the sacrifice because I'm not willing to have my family get blown up in a plane on the chance (however small it may be) that some asshole gets on board.

[ELVIS]

Now that's just plain ol' talking out of your ass, E.

You know that how?

I don't, and I posted that to get your panties all tied up, but there is a bit of truth to it...

Zimmerman seems like a hot head who thinks he's an officer of the law because he was a security guard (and got fired) and a self appointes neighborhood watch captain...

A gun pointed his way would have probably slowed him down...

[jhale667]

You gave up the right to demand factual backup on statements in this thread after you posted this..

You beat me to it...

[jhale667]

I don't, and I posted that to get your panties all tied up, but there is a bit of truth to it...

Zimmerman seems like a hot head who thinks he's an officer of the law because he was a security guard (and got fired) and a self appointes neighborhood watch captain...

A gun pointed his way would have probably slowed him down...


How is a 17-yerar old going to legally pack a weapon?

[Jagermeister]

National Review: Gun Control Doesn't Work
David Rittgers is an attorney and legal policy analyst at the Cato Institute. He served three tours in Afghanistan as a Special Forces officer and continues to serve as a reserve judge advocate.

The Supreme Court's rejection of Chicago's handgun ban in McDonald v. City of Chicago is more than a recognition that the Second Amendment applies to the states as well as the federal government. The McDonald decision is a harbinger for the end of gun prohibition as an idea. The simple, undeniable truth is that gun control does not work.

McDonald brings the law up to speed with reality, where advocates of gun control have been wrong since the issue became a national discussion.

Strict gun-control policies have failed to deliver on their essential promise: that denying law-abiding citizens access to the means of self-defense will somehow make them safer. This should come as no surprise, since gun control has always been about control, not guns.

Racism created gun control in America. Confronted with the prospect of armed freedmen who could stand up for their rights, states across the South instituted gun-control regimes that took away the ability of blacks to defend themselves against the depravity of the Klan.

Fast forward to the 1960s, when a century of institutionalized racism began to come to an end. While racism was no longer the driving force, social change, the drug trade, and the assassination of several national figures turned gun control into an article of faith among progressive politicians. They saw the elimination of guns as the only way to counter the rapid increase of crime in inner cities.

Truly onerous gun control came to fruition only in a minority of jurisdictions, predominantly those run by Democrat machines. The District of Columbia enacted a registration requirement for all handguns in 1976, then closed the registry so that all guns not on the books could never be lawfully owned in the District. Chicago followed suit in 1983. With each failure of gun control, the rejoinder was to do it again, this time with feeling.

Since the Heller case invalidated the District of Columbia's handgun ban two years ago, Chicago has served as the gun-control capital of the United States. Not coincidentally, Chicago is a dangerous place to live. Two weekends ago, 52 people were shot, eight fatally. Local politicians frequently ponder calling out the National Guard to patrol Chicago's streets.

Three times in the last month, Chicago residents have defended their homes or businesses with "illegal" guns. In the first, an 80-year-old Navy veteran killed a felon who broke into his home. In the second, a man shot and wounded a fugitive who burst into the man's home while running from the police. In the third, the owner of a pawn shop killed one of three robbers in self-defense, sending the other two running.

The Illinois legislature, confronted with clearly justified shootings like these before, created an affirmative defense for those who violate local gun bans when unregistered guns are used in self-defense. Then–state senator Barack Obama voted against this law, which passed by an overwhelming majority and over then-governor Rod Blagojevich's veto.

In passing this exception, Illinois recognized the basic injustice of the Chicago gun ban. Otherwise law-abiding citizens are victimized at a high rate. Chicagoans cannot depend on the police to defend them, cannot sue the city because the law protects officials from liability for failure to protect them, and are barred from effective means of self-defense.

Now that the Supreme Court has spoken, the de facto ban against self-defense will be overturned and Chicagoans will not have to rely on the discretion of prosecutors and the benevolence of legislators to affirm their inalienable right to self-defense.

Advocates of gun control will not be swayed by the Supreme Court's holding in McDonald. No matter the evidence, the rallying cry will continue: If gun control "saves just one life" it will be worth it. This plea ignores the irony of crusading for individual safety by disarming all of society. That logic can now be squarely turned on the advocates of gun control. If it saves just one life — or many, since jurisdictions with more legally owned (and carried) guns tend to have less violent crime — we should create a sensible legal framework for gun ownership that does not hamper the right of individuals to exercise self-defense.

A generation from now, legal and policy discussions will look back and see gun control for the sham that it has always been. The real shame is that it took decades of political action, millions of dollars in litigation, and thousands of lives lost to end the preposterous idea that governments can reduce the number of victims of violent crime by first taking away their means of resistance.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=128186209

[Jagermeister]

Gun control is joke.

[ELVIS]

I agree that the bad guys will always have guns.

Good, we may be getting somewhere...:biggrin:

However, advocating tougher gun laws and assuming that many people might be out to do more harm than good is perfectly sensible.

No way, dude...

If the good, responsible citizens have to jump through more hoops to get their weapons because of the "bad apples" who spoil the bunch, so be it.

That's insane! And how do you suggest we go about defining and identifying "responsible citizens" ??

The good guys will still get their weapon, and maybe (just maybe) more psycho-assholes will be stopped in their tracks.

A well armed public is what will stop an drop the "psycho assholes" in their tracks...

As inconvenient as it is and "over-the-top" as it may seem once in awhile, that mentality seems to be working for the airlines.

That is way off base...

They assume that EVERYONE is potentially up to no good, which is why flying sucks these days. But I make the sacrifice because I'm not willing to have my family get blown up in a plane on the chance (however small it may be) that some asshole gets on board.

Dude, the TSA security is an illusion that does nothing to protect anyone from anything...

Do you really believe that the low paid employee looking in your bag through an x-ray scanner to steal your ipad or camera could actually identify something like plastic explosives even if he or she were really looking for something like that ??

People have gotten past TSA with all sorts of items including guns to prove the system is ineffective...

Do you think the TSA should be randomly pulling people over on the highway as they have started doing in Tennessee ??

You never know, al qaeda might be driving around...



:elvis:

[ELVIS]

How is a 17-yerar old going to legally pack a weapon?

I didn't say legally, did I ??

But I would imagine Treyvon, being a young black male in Miami, owned or has owned an illegal gun or two...

[So this is love]

The bad guys will always have guns, ALWAYS, whether they are legal or not...

Advocating tough gun laws based on the assumption that some people are "closet psychos" is what's fucked in the head...

Disarming the public is dangerous. It leaves people as defenseless victims on their day-to-day routines...

A big bad (insert color here_________) thug will think twice about robbing grandma if he thinks grandma is packing heat...


:elvis:

Hummm...if you need a gun to perform your daily routine Elvis than you are living in a third world country.

[DLR Bridge]

Gun control is joke.

People who showed up packing at the Gabby Giffords debacle admittedly almost fired at people trying to subdue the true shit bag. You CAN NOT just have people who are purty good at target practice, show up and fire into a crowd! I know, you're gonna tell me how that would've been a fluke and that people should still be able to pack heat, ready to fire at will, where ever they want. Yeah, that's a civil society. Please. May your kids never open that Nike shoe box on the top shelf of your closet. Even responsible people fuck up abysmally with their little kill toys.

[Kristy]

The state legislature of Arizona has passed a bill that vastly broadens telephone harassment laws and applies them to the Internet and other means of electronic communication.

The law, which is being pushed under the guise of an anti-bullying campaign, would mean that anything communicated or published online that was deemed to be “offensive” by the state, including editorials, illustrations, and even satire could be criminally punished.

So you can't text to someone they are an asshole but sending the same message via a stamped letter is okay? First off, this was reported by Jones & Co. so take that for what it's worth. If only I could achieve to be that paranoid (*fingers crossed*). Second, this has nothing to do with cyber bullying as much as it does political criticism. Even if it was passed in that god-awful state of Arizona's House, it would be shot down once the ACLU and any other tired ambulance chasing lawyer brought it to the Supreme Court. And the lawsuits will come.

[Jagermeister]

People who showed up packing at the Gabby Giffords debacle admittedly almost fired at people trying to subdue the true shit bag. You CAN NOT just have people who are purty good at target practice, show up and fire into a crowd! I know, you're gonna tell me how that would've been a fluke and that people should still be able to pack heat, ready to fire at will, where ever they want. Yeah, that's a civil society. Please. May your kids never open that Nike shoe box on the top shelf of your closet. Even responsible people fuck up abysmally with their little kill toys.

I'm not even sure where that came from but ok. Of course people fuck up. duh!

My kids are both well trained in the proper use of a firearm. I don't worry in the least that they would touch a gun without me being present.

[Kristy]

The Supreme Court's rejection of Chicago's handgun ban in McDonald v. City of Chicago is more than a recognition that the Second Amendment applies to the states as well as the federal government. The McDonald decision is a harbinger for the end of gun prohibition as an idea. The simple, undeniable truth is that gun control does not work.

Actually, gun control does work. It's the bullshit laws that do not. Being the owner of two 9mm's and a 22, and a Winchester 30-30, I have taken classes on gun safety, regulation, and laws and can tell you it's more of a hassle carrying a gun than shooting it.

[ELVIS]

My kids are both well trained in the proper use of a firearm.

You let your children handle g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-guns ????????

Say it ain't so !!

Those guns could kill your children!!!

You should have your children taken from you, terrorist!!!


:biggrin:

[ELVIS]

Actually, gun control does work. It's the bullshit laws that do not. Being the owner of two 9mm's and a 22, and a Winchester 30-30, I have taken classes on gun safety, regulation, and laws and can tell you it's more of a hassle carrying a gun than shooting it.

You need a Crossbreed Holster! (http://www.crossbreedholsters.com/)


:elvis:

[DLR Bridge]

I'm truly glad you're confident with that. My trouble with the hole "gun control is a joke" angle is that responsible gun owners are against more strict gun laws only because they would greatly impede their access to more guns. Sure, gun control is just one more cause that is not unlike putting a volcano out with a garden hose, but ffs, the cause is just. Bad apples will always ruin things for the whole bunch.

[FORD]

Actually, gun control does work. It's the bullshit laws that do not. Being the owner of two 9mm's and a 22, and a Winchester 30-30, I have taken classes on gun safety, regulation, and laws and can tell you it's more of a hassle carrying a gun than shooting it.

Those classes should be mandatory. If you have to prove you are capable of safely driving a car before you can legally do so, how the hell can it be any less so for a gun?

I have never had a problem with sane, law-abiding adults who are capable of handling guns responsibly owning them, if they choose to do so. But this gun show loophole has got to end. Anyone who can't pass a background check because they're a felon, a lunatic, or both should not be able to get around that by going to a gun show and buying weapons from someone who is likely as fucked in the head as they are.

Whomever sold a weapon to Jared Loughner, the DC sniper, that guy who shot up Virginia Tech, the adult friends who bought the weapons for the two douchebags at Columbine (minors who couldn't buy themselves) - these people should be charged with the murders that they are directly responsible for, by putting weapons in the hands of mental cases who obviously wouldn't have passed the background check. The DC sniper got his rifle from a licensed gun shop, though the owner of the shop claims he stole it. Which is not likely, as the gun shop in question is about as secure as Fort Knox. The bastard obviously sold it "under the table" when John Allen Muhammad failed to pass the background check.

[ELVIS]

FORD, it's as easy to buy an illegal firearm off the street as it is to buy a bag of weed...

[jhale667]

I didn't say legally, did I ??

But I would imagine Treyvon, being a young black male in Miami, owned or has owned an illegal gun or two...




Yeah, because weak-minded racist f***tards like you think stereotypes are true...idiot. The kid was looking at colleges, probably not even remotely "thugish", as much as you'd like to think otherwise.


Did your parents have any kids that LIVED, btw?

[Jagermeister]

You let your children handle g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-guns ????????

Say it ain't so !!

Those guns could kill your children!!!

You should have your children taken from you, terrorist!!!


:biggrin:

No shit.

[Kristy]

Those classes should be mandatory. If you have to prove you are capable of safely driving a car before you can legally do so, how the hell can it be any less so for a gun?

I have never had a problem with sane, law-abiding adults who are capable of handling guns responsibly owning them, if they choose to do so. But this gun show loophole has got to end. Anyone who can't pass a background check because they're a felon, a lunatic, or both should not be able to get around that by going to a gun show and buying weapons from someone who is likely as fucked in the head as they are.

Exactly. If you are to own a gun, you should also be aware of the damage it can do and the implications and reprisals if you ever have to use it on another human being. Simply stating you want a gun for "protection" is a lame excuse in my book because most people who say that have never owned a weapon before in their life. When I bought my first 9mm, the classes I took were a bit of a joke. Being a woman, you were talked down to and there was too much macho insecurity and insults coming from racist, misogynist rednecks who were a bit scary. I ended up hiring a private instructor who taught me a lot about not only safety but the gun laws currently on most books.

And you're right, most people who own a gun whether for protection or sportsmanship are law-abiding people who understand a gun is basically a lethal tool over let's say being a hobby.

As for Columbine, Loughner, et al. with all the outside arguments aside such as blaming Marlyin Manson, violent video games, social class differences, and even bullying these people who highly unstable to begin with. A person in that state doesn't care about maintaining any recourse to laws, safety and certainly has no respect for his fellow human being life (even if they disagree with them) and a gun is a means to an end so to say.

[Jagermeister]

I'm truly glad you're confident with that. My trouble with the hole "gun control is a joke" angle is that responsible gun owners are against more strict gun laws only because they would greatly impede their access to more guns. Sure, gun control is just one more cause that is not unlike putting a volcano out with a garden hose, but ffs, the cause is just. Bad apples will always ruin things for the whole bunch.

I don't think that's really true at least not in my mind. No one is going to impede my access to more guns they will just slow me down. Criminals don't care they just steel all the guns they want. Happens all the time. That stupid fucking assault weapon ban that finally expired didn't stop a damn thing. I am against more strict gun laws becasue they don't work. I'll give you some more examples here in a sec.

[ELVIS]

Yeah, because weak-minded racist f***tards like you think stereotypes are true...idiot.



http://radio.foxnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/shout_racist.jpg



:elvis:

[DLR Bridge]

I don't think that's really true at least not in my mind. No one is going to impede my access to more guns they will just slow me down. Criminals don't care they just steel all the guns they want. Happens all the time. That stupid fucking assault weapon ban that finally expired didn't stop a damn thing. I am against more strict gun laws becasue they don't work. I'll give you some more examples here in a sec.

How's about some examples of what will work? I'm all eyes.

[ELVIS]

The kid was looking at colleges, probably not even remotely "thugish", as much as you'd like to think otherwise.




I guess that's why the school found a lot of womens jewelry, watches and a large screw driver in his bag...

He was stealing and selling the jewelry to pay for college...


You crack me up, jfail...


:biggrin:

[ZahZoo]

There goes all the Roth Army AZ members posting here against the sheep. :(

Pete's Bro...we hardly knew ye.

This site would be at the top of their blacklist... we'd all be issued no-travel warnings. That's a shame... they got some nice golf courses there...

[sadaist]

Exactly. If you are to own a gun, you should also be aware of the damage it can do and the implications and reprisals if you ever have to use it on another human being. Simply stating you want a gun for "protection" is a lame excuse in my book because most people who say that have never owned a weapon before in their life. When I bought my first 9mm, the classes I took were a bit of a joke. Being a woman, you were talked down to and there was too much macho insecurity and insults coming from racist, misogynist rednecks who were a bit scary. I ended up hiring a private instructor who taught me a lot about not only safety but the gun laws currently on most books.

And you're right, most people who own a gun whether for protection or sportsmanship are law-abiding people who understand a gun is basically a lethal tool over let's say being a hobby.



Yeah. I own the guns I have ONLY because either my dad or granpda passed them on to me. I treat them & respect them the same as my great grandmothers wedding ring. But I am very aware of how to use them and safety. With the 12-guage grandpa gave me I would go to the local skeet range. Would take my girlfriend and we had a lot of fun there. But yeah Kristy, when I would take her I would witness how the men at this place would act towards her. Fucked up. Especially when she would knock out 19/20 trap while they were struggling for 13/20.

But too many people buy guns the same reason they buy a pit bull dog. With the wrong attitude & handling bad results usually end every time.

[jhale667]

You crack me up, jfail...




Conversely, I almost feel sorry for you... the guy quoting racist stereotypes is the guy losing the debate, FAILboat.

[FORD]

FORD, it's as easy to buy an illegal firearm off the street as it is to buy a bag of weed...

Difference is the bag of weed never killed anybody. And yet which one is the government more obsessed about?

[ELVIS]

Conversely, I almost feel sorry for you...

Don't waste your liberal feelings on me, dude...

[ELVIS]

Difference is the bag of weed never killed anybody. And yet which one is the government more obsessed about?

Both...

[jhale667]

Don't waste your liberal feelings on me, dude...


I said almost... please die in a conservative fire, o prince of pathos. :lmao:

[sadaist]

Difference is the bag of weed never killed anybody. And yet which one is the government more obsessed about?


Both. Either. As long as it's something we want & they can find the ability to say no and control us.

[sadaist]

I wonder when it was that politicians started to think that by electing them we wanted them in charge of us, instead of just representing us?

[FORD]

I don't think that's really true at least not in my mind. No one is going to impede my access to more guns they will just slow me down. Criminals don't care they just steel all the guns they want. Happens all the time. That stupid fucking assault weapon ban that finally expired didn't stop a damn thing. I am against more strict gun laws becasue they don't work. I'll give you some more examples here in a sec.

If you can't secure your own guns, then you shouldn't own them. Gun safes should be as mandatory as the gun training/licenses I mentioned earlier.

A few years ago I was house sitting for friends and found police barricades in the middle of the road when I was on my way back to their house. The cops at the barricade couldn't tell me what was going on, so I went back to my own house for a while, and eventually returned after the situation ended. Later that evening I found out what happened from the daughter of my friends next door neighbor. Seems her dad was also out of town, and she arrived at his house to find a strange man sitting in her dad's kitchen eating breakfast, and acting like nothing was wrong. This stranger had one of her dad's guns in front of him. Since her children were in the car, she decided to call the police rather than escalate the situation. Fortunately, the gun in question was only a pellet gun, because her dad, a gun collector, had the good sense to secure his "real" guns in a safe. Otherwise this situation could have had a much uglier ending. I can't remember whether she claimed to be packing herself at the time, but if I recall, she said she probably would have tried to grab one from the safe, had her kids not been present.

Moral here, obviously, is that responsible gun ownership saved the day.

[FORD]

Both...


Both. Either. As long as it's something we want & they can find the ability to say no and control us.

Seriously, guys.... when was the last time somebody had their car/house/entire material existence "confiscated" by the federal government for owning a gun? Or even had their guns confiscated, for that matter?

For all the NRA fueled paranoia about "government gun grabs", the facts are that it's only happened once. And as ELVIS should well know, this would be in his neighborhood, in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina.

And who was pResident then? Oh yeah.... that monkey assed fuck who Wayne LaPierre bragged would let him run a branch office of the NRA right out of the White House.

[ELVIS]

Hmmm...

[Jagermeister]

If you can't secure your own guns, then you shouldn't own them. Gun safes should be as mandatory as the gun training/licenses I mentioned earlier.

.

I don't all my guns in a safe. If I have to use one I want it handy. :biggrin:

[Jagermeister]

How's about some examples of what will work? I'm all eyes.

I don't know.

What will stop a meth maker?. I know let's just make it so you have to have a prescription for Pseudoephedrine. Yeah fuck me because I don't use or make meth. So now if I want to stop a runny fucking nose I have to have a damn prescription because the police can't stop the meth makers.

Same principles apply to gun control. Fuck the guy who doesn't break the law in the hopes the the criminal will not be able to be a criminal. Taking away a criminals tools doesn't take away the criminal.

[Jagermeister]

I just read a great quote.

“If guns kill people, then pencils cause spelling errors.”

I know first hand that's not true. :biggrin:

[DLR Bridge]

I just read a great quote.

“If guns kill people, then pencils cause spelling errors.”

I know first hand that's not true. :biggrin:

You're right. You spelled steal STEEL before and you're computer spell check would've missed that one. Lol.

[kwame k]

I didn't say legally, did I ??

But I would imagine Treyvon, being a young black male in Miami, owned or has owned an illegal gun or two...

As I would imagine that you have fucked your sister, being an inbred hick from Louisiana , you have either fucked or married a relative or two;)

[Jagermeister]

You're right. You spelled steal STEEL before and you're computer spell check would've missed that one. Lol.

I really don't spell THAT bad I just can't type for shit.

[DLR Bridge]

Just bustin chops.

[jhale667]

As I would imagine that you have fucked your sister, being an inbred hick from Louisiana , you have either fucked or married a relative or two;)

You forgot "lives in a broken-down trailer, never finished grade school, only has 3 teeth...and they're green"... :lmao:

[FORD]

You forgot "lives in a broken-down trailer, never finished grade school, only has 3 teeth...and they're green"... :lmao:

Elvis posted a picture of his home a while back.....

http://www.dacust.com/oddboats/images/full/redneck_houseboat_1.jpg

[kwame k]

His recent wedding photos have hit the net, too!

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll103/realtodd/redneckwedding.jpg

[jhale667]

:lol:

[ELVIS]

That's not even a real photo...

But I did post the Scamp mounted on the home made pontoon boat...

And I'm not from Louisiana. I was born in Vallejo, Cali during the sommer of love...


:biggrin:

[jhale667]

Is your mullet more fearsome than that dude's, or less? :lmao:

[ELVIS]

Dude, you got no room to talk about hair...

[sadaist]

As I would imagine that you have fucked your sister, being an inbred hick from Louisiana , you have either fucked or married a relative or two;)


I'm going to reserve judgement until I see pics. I mean, what if your sister was Heather Locklear or something? What then?

[kwame k]

:biggrin:

[jhale667]

Dude, you got no room to talk about hair...

Sure I do, but keep telling yourself that. :baaa:

[Seshmeister]

Doubtful.
What about the statistic indicating people with guns in their houses are more likely to have them used ON them than actually use them for defense?

Or the one that their children are far more likely to die in an accident from a firearm in the home than it ever being used for defence.

In the long run this should mean that the NRA are evolved away...

[ELVIS]

Dude, you're old...

Long hair looks goofy on old farts like yourself...

[jhale667]

Dude, you're old...

Long hair looks goofy on old farts like yourself...


Some of us can still pull it off...and since the people telling me I still can are hot girls, their opinion trumps yours all day long. :biggrin:

Yeah, everyone should get their fashion advice from a swamp-dwelling hick...run with that.


ELBOW has hair envy... :lmao:

[Seshmeister]

Dude, you're old...

Long hair looks goofy on old farts like yourself...

Look who you became... :)

http://youtu.be/I8JiQCIzCZA

[Jagermeister]

Some of us can still pull it off...and since the people telling me I still can are hot girls, their opinion trumps yours all day long. :biggrin:

Yeah, everyone should get their fashion advice from a swamp-dwelling hick...run with that.


ELBOW has hair envy... :lmao:


I don't know man. I had really long hair back in the day. Went to a reunion and they gave me a badge that had a picture of me with long hair. My kids saw it and my daughter was like "Hey look mom a picture of dad when he was a girl" :lmao:

[jhale667]

Ten bucks says Jaggy couldn't even pull off long hair in his prime. :lmao:

[Jagermeister]

Ten bucks says Jaggy couldn't even pull off long hair in his prime. :lmao:

Why would you say that? That's not true at all.

[kwame k]

Let it grow, Jag....let it grow!

[Jagermeister]

I cut my hair off before you guys were born for 3 reasons.

1. To Get a Job.
2. Because it was out of style.
3. It was a pain in the ass blow drying it all the time.

Bunch of damn ass holes.

[kwame k]

Being a hair ball is a lifestyle and not a fashion statement, dude;)

[jhale667]

I cut my hair off before you guys were born for 3 reasons.


Before we were born? What are you - a thousand?




1. To Get a Job. Long hair's an asset at my gig.
2. Because it was out of style. No, you were...
3. It was a pain in the ass blow drying it all the time. Who has time to blow dry? Your kid was right, you WERE a woman!

Bunch of damn ass holes.


More envy... :lol:

[sadaist]

Some of us can still pull it off...and since the people telling me I still can are hot girls, their opinion trumps yours all day long. :biggrin:

Yeah, everyone should get their fashion advice from a swamp-dwelling hick...run with that.


ELBOW has hair envy... :lmao:

HAHA!

I wish I could grow my hair out like yours man. Had long hair until late 20's. After chemo it just didn't really grow back very thick. Still covers most but thin. And when I grow it out it is very wispy now. Weird how the texture changed. So I keep it high & tight with a #4. But damn do I miss my locks.

As for old guys not pulling it off? Umm....I can thumb through just about any rock magazine & see tons of dudes in their 60's doing it great. For some people it just works. And when it doesn't all you can hope for is they have the balls & common sense to take it short. Hell, the paintings from MichaelAngelo I've seen of God he has huge flowing locks....and that dude is way old.

[sadaist]

I cut my hair off before you guys were born for 3 reasons.

1. To Get a Job.
2. Because it was out of style.
3. It was a pain in the ass blow drying it all the time.

Bunch of damn ass holes.


You blow dried your hair? fag.

[sadaist]

Question:

with super long hair, I've seen guitarists where it is touching the strings. Wouldn't it interfere with sound? Or is it kinda too light to really make an impact just grazing by?

[Jesus Christ]

I've worn My hair long for over 2000 years now. What's wrong with that?

[sadaist]

This could be fun.


Sadaist circa 1987 playing quarters and girlfriend on my lap (wine coolers wtf?). This was the start of my long hair. I maybe added another 30% in length at it's peak, but this length here was about my favorite.

Come on guys.....what beer am I drinking? (oooh! I'm copping a tittie feel too! NICE!)

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa214/sadaist/Oldsad.jpg

And that aint a mullet. Just the very front bangs trimmed so I could see.....kinda like a sheepdog :lmao:

[sadaist]

I've worn My hair long for over 2000 years now. What's wrong with that?


Remember a Bill Cosby skit where he was telling his son he couldn't borrow the car unless he cut his hair.

Son: But Jesus had long hair

Dad: yeah, and he walked everywhere.




Or Hank Hill

Son: But Jesus had long hair

Hank: Only because I wasn't his father

[Nickdfresh]

National Review: Gun Control Doesn't Work
David Rittgers is an attorney and legal policy analyst at the Cato Institute. He served three tours in Afghanistan as a Special Forces officer and continues to serve as a reserve judge advocate.

...

Except in Europe--where they have a small fraction of our homicide rate...

[Seshmeister]

Or Japan with just about the tightest gun control and just about the lowest homicides.

[jhale667]

HAHA!

I wish I could grow my hair out like yours man. Had long hair until late 20's. After chemo it just didn't really grow back very thick. Still covers most but thin. And when I grow it out it is very wispy now. Weird how the texture changed. So I keep it high & tight with a #4. But damn do I miss my locks.

As for old guys not pulling it off? Umm....I can thumb through just about any rock magazine & see tons of dudes in their 60's doing it great. For some people it just works. And when it doesn't all you can hope for is they have the balls & common sense to take it short. Hell, the paintings from MichaelAngelo I've seen of God he has huge flowing locks....and that dude is way old.

Thanks, dude. I find usually the dudes whining loudest about "you're old, it's out of style" yadda yadda are the ones who are jealous because they either can't do it or are just pissed because they gave up...

I almost ditched mine a couple of years ago, thinned in a spot when I got a thyroid condition, but dietary changes and (more) exercise reversed it, thyroid levels are back to normal and it's growing like crazy again.

Sucks about you having to go through chemo, dude - glad you made it. :baaa: Health issues due impact hair growth, breakage, thinning, etc. more than people think...but in your case, there's non-chemical products and vitamins you could try...not even for length, just so it'll grow healthier..PM me if you're interested.

Oh, and one of my 60-something longhair rock star pals complimented my mop recently, his opinion also trumps ELBOW's (and Jaggy's). :biggrin:

As for your hair-in-guitar strings question, it doesn't enter the picture sonically unless your fingers get tangled in it...lol that's kinda how I gauge mine these days...I don't wear my guitar super low, pretty much at or below the beltline (now that there's no gut in the way...HA) but if my hair's in my strings, it's time for a trim...


:guitar:


Hmm...this may be the 1st Front Line thread to ever get derailed into becoming a hair thread...:lol:

[jhale667]

Except in Europe--where they have a small fraction of our homicide rate...

That's why that dang ol' Socialist Obama wants to turn us into Europe - I KNEW IT!!
;)

[sadaist]

Hmm...this may be the 1st Front Line thread to ever get derailed into becoming a hair thread...:lol:


Threads lately have been getting derailed at supersonic speeds that I have never seen here before. I'm loving it. Start a thread about the band Accept and by page 5 we are discussing the best fertilizer mix to grow tomatoes.

[PETE'S BROTHER]

You're right. You spelled steal STEEL before and you're computer spell check would've missed that one. Lol.

he has a gift...

[PETE'S BROTHER]

This could be fun.


Sadaist circa 1987 playing quarters and girlfriend on my lap (wine coolers wtf?). This was the start of my long hair. I maybe added another 30% in length at it's peak, but this length here was about my favorite.

Come on guys.....what beer am I drinking? (oooh! I'm copping a tittie feel too! NICE!)

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa214/sadaist/Oldsad.jpg

And that aint a mullet. Just the very front bangs trimmed so I could see.....kinda like a sheepdog :lmao:

mickey's

[PETE'S BROTHER]

my beard is longer than all y'alls:first:

[DLR Bridge]

(oooh! I'm copping a tittie feel too! NICE!)

...And that aint a mullet. Just the very front bangs trimmed so I could see...

Not through that thick acid-wash jean jacket your not! And uh, bang trimming? A little gay. Sorry man.

[sadaist]

mickey's


HAHA! WINNER!

A man who knows his beers.

[sadaist]

Not through that thick acid-wash jean jacket your not! And uh, bang trimming? A little gay. Sorry man.


LOL...that's my jacket she's wearing (sans all my cool rock band pins of course). About the bangs....it might be a little gay, but I got sweet young poonanner sitting on my lap chugging wine coolers. WOOT! Those were the days!

Where have all the good times gone?

[PETE'S BROTHER]

and stronger knife laws, numchuck laws, slingshot laws, really big heavy things laws, coaxial cable laws, scissors laws, pruning shears/sheers? laws, sticks laws, medicine laws, poison laws, fist laws, shards of glass laws, vehicles laws, and any other weapon laws that these fucked up assholes choose to use to take the life of another.

this.

8667

[Jesus Christ]

and stronger knife laws, numchuck laws, slingshot laws, really big heavy things laws, coaxial cable laws, scissors laws, pruning shears/sheers? laws, sticks laws, medicine laws, poison laws, fist laws, shards of glass laws, vehicles laws, and any other weapon laws that these fucked up assholes choose to use to take the life of another.


Don't forget nails. My son http://www.cosgan.de/images/smilie/boese/n080.gif

[sadaist]

Don't forget nails. My son http://www.cosgan.de/images/smilie/boese/n080.gif


:(

I thought they finished you off with a sword at the end. Been a long time since I was in bible class.

[PETE'S BROTHER]

Don't forget nails. My son http://www.cosgan.de/images/smilie/boese/n080.gif

well, spears and thorns too

[PETE'S BROTHER]

:(

I thought they finished you off with a sword at the end. Been a long time since I was in bible class.

i think the thing that killed him was dehydration, it was unusually warm that year, they had just invented global warming then

[sadaist]

Man, this thread has been all over the dang place.

[Jesus Christ]

i think the thing that killed him was dehydration, it was unusually warm that year, they had just invented global warming then

Technically the cause of death was asphyxiation. The way they nail you to the cross, with your arms stretched out and your legs bent, it makes breathing difficult, as gravity is working against you. And as time goes on, breathing under those conditions comes progressively more difficult, until ye eventually stop.

[ashstralia]

the local jehovah's told me the cross is a myth, it was just a big pole and the hands were nailed together over the head.

[sadaist]

the local jehovah's told me.....


You actually opened the door when they knocked? Rookie.

[ashstralia]

yeah, i was a young'un sada... i was impressed by their innocent looking females.

[Nitro Express]

Today Christ would die of boredom. If you have ever been to a christian church service you know what kind of torture it is.

[DLR Bridge]

Where have all the good times gone?

Good question! Let me know when you find out. I'm done with eat, sleep, work. The only actual peace I get is on the train.

[fryingdutchman]

Or Japan with just about the tightest gun control and just about the lowest homicides.

And then the Japanese kids come here, and under intense pressure from their parents to "save face", over-achieve, and become the next Bill Gates eventually snap and take advantage of our much less-stringent gun laws to whip out a piece and open-fire....

[Seshmeister]

You actually opened the door when they knocked? Rookie.

You should open the door and laugh at them.

It makes them a little sad which has to be a good thing.

[Seshmeister]

And then the Japanese kids come here, and under intense pressure from their parents to "save face", over-achieve, and become the next Bill Gates eventually snap and take advantage of our much less-stringent gun laws to whip out a piece and open-fire....

This is the thing.

Either it's the gun control or there is something inherently wrong with Americans because something is causing all these deaths.

Effectively the NRA are saying that it's the later.

[Jagermeister]

This could be fun.


Sadaist circa 1987 playing quarters and girlfriend on my lap (wine coolers wtf?). This was the start of my long hair. I maybe added another 30% in length at it's peak, but this length here was about my favorite.

Come on guys.....what beer am I drinking? (oooh! I'm copping a tittie feel too! NICE!)

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa214/sadaist/Oldsad.jpg

And that aint a mullet. Just the very front bangs trimmed so I could see.....kinda like a sheepdog :lmao:

lol. Hitting a Mickeys huh?

[chefcraig]

Technically the cause of death was asphyxiation. The way they nail you to the cross, with your arms stretched out and your legs bent, it makes breathing difficult, as gravity is working against you. And as time goes on, breathing under those conditions comes progressively more difficult, until ye eventually stop.

Thing is, I have issues with the idea that you actually died in the first place, which of course sort of blows a gaping hole in the entire resurrection angle.

[fryingdutchman]

:elvis:
Dude, the TSA security is an illusion that does nothing to protect anyone from anything...

Do you really believe that the low paid employee looking in your bag through an x-ray scanner to steal your ipad or camera could actually identify something like plastic explosives even if he or she were really looking for something like that ??

People have gotten past TSA with all sorts of items including guns to prove the system is ineffective...

Do you think the TSA should be randomly pulling people over on the highway as they have started doing in Tennessee ??

You never know, al qaeda might be driving around...


I'm under no illusions about the TSA. I realize that in most cases, they're basically rent-a-cops who would be driving a Kia around a mall parking lot somewhere with the word "SECURITY" painted on the side if they didn't work for the federal government.

I know people personally who have gotten "banned" items (including box cutters) through security and onto a plane...not deliberately, but because they had the items as part of their job and forgot about them.

But the TSA is more than just the low-paid bozos you see in line at the airport. There are real, "skilled" people somewhere who have done some good towards preventing bad things from happening again.

[fryingdutchman]

People who showed up packing at the Gabby Giffords debacle admittedly almost fired at people trying to subdue the true shit bag. You CAN NOT just have people who are purty good at target practice, show up and fire into a crowd! I know, you're gonna tell me how that would've been a fluke and that people should still be able to pack heat, ready to fire at will, where ever they want. Yeah, that's a civil society. Please. May your kids never open that Nike shoe box on the top shelf of your closet. Even responsible people fuck up abysmally with their little kill toys.

Exactly. Spot on.

A civilized society should not come down to a test of "who's the better shot?"

[fryingdutchman]

Of course we're WAAAAYYYYY off topic...and I think it's actually my fault for bringing up Arizona's gun laws in the first place.

Sorry. We now return you to your regularly scheduled discussion of internet censorship....

[Kristy]

Technically the cause of death was asphyxiation. The way they nail you to the cross, with your arms stretched out and your legs bent, it makes breathing difficult, as gravity is working against you. And as time goes on, breathing under those conditions comes progressively more difficult, until ye eventually stop.
Too bad the Romans hadn't thought of auto-erotic asphyxiation yet. Of course, I can see why. The only thing I can see more embarrassing being found dead that way is being found alive that way. Right, Micheal?
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Back me up, Keith.
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*Backs Kristy up*

[ELVIS]

But the TSA is more than just the low-paid bozos you see in line at the airport. There are real, "skilled" people somewhere who have done some good towards preventing bad things from happening again.

That's bullshit...show one example...

This kind of thing needs to be reeled in ASAP!

What's next, TSA at bus depots, train stations, schools, concerts, sporting events and malls ??

This is not a police state...but that's exactly what the TSA is the beginning of...


:elvis:

[Jagermeister]

Thanks, dude. I find usually the dudes whining loudest about "you're old, it's out of style" yadda yadda are the ones who are jealous because they either can't do it or are just pissed because they gave up...

I almost ditched mine a couple of years ago, thinned in a spot when I got a thyroid condition, but dietary changes and (more) exercise reversed it, thyroid levels are back to normal and it's growing like crazy again.

Sucks about you having to go through chemo, dude - glad you made it. :baaa: Health issues due impact hair growth, breakage, thinning, etc. more than people think...but in your case, there's non-chemical products and vitamins you could try...not even for length, just so it'll grow healthier..PM me if you're interested.

Oh, and one of my 60-something longhair rock star pals complimented my mop recently, his opinion also trumps ELBOW's (and Jaggy's). :biggrin:

As for your hair-in-guitar strings question, it doesn't enter the picture sonically unless your fingers get tangled in it...lol that's kinda how I gauge mine these days...I don't wear my guitar super low, pretty much at or below the beltline (now that there's no gut in the way...HA) but if my hair's in my strings, it's time for a trim...


:guitar:


Hmm...this may be the 1st Front Line thread to ever get derailed into becoming a hair thread...:lol:

You're so full of shit jhale.

[Jesus Christ]

Today Christ would die of boredom. If you have ever been to a christian church service you know what kind of torture it is.


Sadly, there is some truth to that. Many churches hath Sunday services which seem like funerals every week. Who are they praying to? Me, or Morrissey? :jesuslol:

[jhale667]

You're so full of shit jhale.


As evidenced by what, brain-trust? You're an idiot... with hair envy. :lmao:

[sadaist]

Sadly, there is some truth to that. Many churches hath Sunday services which seem like funerals every week. Who are they praying to? Me, or Morrissey? :jesuslol:


I went to a Christian high school for a short time. I was kicked out because I openly fought with the bible class instructor over if pets go to heaven or not. The teacher insisted they have no souls. And I KNOW that to be FALSE!

Plus I said in the middle of the class...if my pets aren't going to be there then fuck Jesus! I don't wanna go either!

That was the final straw. Mom was not amused. Took all my rock t-shirts away for a long time. :(





But I got to stay home & play with my pups......time well spent. Mom agreed with me about the pets too. So I didn't really get in all that much trouble.

[jhale667]

I went to a Christian high school for a short time. I was kicked out because I openly fought with the bible class instructor over if pets go to heaven or not. The teacher insisted they have no souls. And I KNOW that to be FALSE!

Plus I said in the middle of the class...if my pets aren't going to be there then fuck Jesus! I don't wanna go either!

That was the final straw. Mom was not amused. Took all my rock t-shirts away for a long time. :(





But I got to stay home & play with my pups......time well spent. Mom agreed with me about the pets too. So I didn't really get in all that much trouble.


I got into the exact same argument with a nun at my parochial school...if heaven is supposed to be the place where you're reunited with everyone you love, dammit I want my belated pets there too!!


I got suspended once for writing "Easter has been canceled - they found the body" in my religion textbook... :lol:

[Jesus Christ]

Ye should have reminded thy teachers that I commanded My disciples to preach the Gospel to every living creature. And let's not forget that many animals witnessed My birth in the manger. They knew who I was.

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[Jagermeister]

As evidenced by what, brain-trust? You're an idiot... with hair envy. :lmao:

You strike me as someone who has low self esteem. People like that usually think others are envious of them and like to point out how great they are when in fact the opposite is true. :lmao::lmao:

[Seshmeister]

the local jehovah's told me the cross is a myth, it was just a big pole and the hands were nailed together over the head.

A quick thing to ask them is how many times has their religion predicted the end of the world in the last 100 years, when it didn't how did that affect the membership numbers and is that why they stopped predicting? :)

[jhale667]

You strike me as someone who has low self esteem. People like that usually think others are envious of them and like to point out how great they are when in fact the opposite is true. :lmao::lmao:


You strike me as someone who got their psychology degree from a box of crackerjags... :lmao: At what point in that post did I say I was great? I said you're bitter. And envious. So far you're proving me right. :baaa:

[jhale667]

A quick thing to ask them is how many times has their religion predicted the end of the world in the last 100 years, when it didn't how did that affect the membership numbers and is that why they stopped predicting? :)


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[Seshmeister]

Ye should have reminded thy teachers that I commanded My disciples to preach the Gospel to every living creature. And let's not forget that many animals witnessed My birth in the manger. They knew who I was.



For every useful thought or statement attributed to the Jesus character there are about 20 bits of patent fucking sub Hubbard nonsense and this is one of them.

"So what did you do today Peter?"

"I've been very busy speaking to a goat, 8 blades of grass and a small cockroach called Judah about the Jesus thing."

[Jesus Christ]

For every useful thought or statement attributed to the Jesus character there are about 20 bits of patent fucking sub Hubbard nonsense and this is one of them.

"So what did you do today Peter?"

"I've been very busy speaking to a goat, 8 blades of grass and a small cockroach called Judah about the Jesus thing."

Well now that would just be silly, My son.

Everybody knows that goats and cockroaches play for Team Satan :jesuslol:

[Seshmeister]

What have you got against goats? :)

[Nickdfresh]

Too bad the Romans hadn't thought of auto-erotic asphyxiation yet. Of course, I can see why. The only thing I can see more embarrassing being found dead that way is being found alive that way. Right, Micheal?
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Back me up, Keith.
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*Backs Kristy up*

Actually, most think Micheal committed suicide, and attempted to use the auto-erotic asphyxiation to cover it up and insure his wife and children got the insurance settlement. Then of course there's the Bob Geldof-did-him-in conspiracy theory...

[Seshmeister]

I think I would drive off a cliff or any of a 100 other options rather than be found dead like that.

[Kristy]

Actually, most think Micheal committed suicide, and attempted to use the auto-erotic asphyxiation to cover it up and insure his wife and children got the insurance settlement. Then of course there's the Bob Geldof-did-him-in conspiracy theory...

Whoa! Wait a seccy here. There's autoerotic asphyxiation insurance?

*rereads my policy*

[Nitro Express]

And then the Japanese kids come here, and under intense pressure from their parents to "save face", over-achieve, and become the next Bill Gates eventually snap and take advantage of our much less-stringent gun laws to whip out a piece and open-fire....

I thought it was funny that the Royal Hawaiian has a gun range. Japanese tourists when they come to the states want to shoot guns. It was a nice range too. All white and clean. Glass partitions and cute Japanese girl to hand your ammo to you. I could get 50 rounds at home for far less money but I paid dearly just to have experienced it. Then I went and had sushi.

[fryingdutchman]

I think I would drive off a cliff or any of a 100 other options rather than be found dead like that.

Amen to that....

[Jesus Christ]

What have you got against goats? :)

Well, ye must admit they look a lot like Satan --------> http://www.cosgan.de/images/smilie/teufel/d085.gif

[sadaist]

Whoa! Wait a seccy here. There's autoerotic asphyxiation insurance?

*rereads my policy*


:lmao:


I think it's cause it would be classified as accidental death rather than intentional suicide?

[jhale667]

:lmao:


I think it's cause it would be classified as accidental death rather than intentional suicide?


Still seems like an insurance company could get out of paying, saying it was reckless endangerment or something... Can't remember the comedian's name, but he did a hilarious bit on auto-erotica: "How f***ing jaded have you become when a normal orgasm won't do, and you have to be nearly choking to death to get off???" :lmao:

[sadaist]

I just sit on my hand for 5 minutes until it falls asleep. Then it feels like someone else is doing it.

[fryingdutchman]

I just sit on my hand for 5 minutes until it falls asleep. Then it feels like someone else is doing it.

Ahhhhh yes. "The Stranger."

You're really on a masturbation theme today, eh sada?

[Seshmeister]

I just sit on my hand for 5 minutes until it falls asleep. Then it feels like someone else is doing it.

Billy Connolly circa 1986.