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BigBadBrian
07-13-2012, 06:41 AM
This week the Obama campaign debuted its attack on Bain Capital, the private-equity firm Mitt Romney founded. Its two-minute ad purports to tell the story of GS Technologies, a Kansas City-based Bain investment that went bankrupt in 2001.

To hear the Obama campaign, this is a tale of greed: GST was a healthy, happy, quality steelmaker until Bain plundered its worth and stripped its 750 workers of their due. "It was like a vampire," laments one former employee in the ad. "They came in and sucked the life out of us."

GST is a tragic tale, though in a different way. The real story of GST is that of a private-equity firm trying to spark some life into a uncompetitive, over-unionized industry. Bain's crime here—if that's what you call it—was giving a dying steel plant an unexpected eight-year lease on life.

When Bain bought the Kansas City mill in 1993, steel was a scene of carnage. Global players were pouring out cheap products, and America's high-cost steel plants couldn't compete. The industry had lost 200,000 jobs in preceding years. In 1992 alone, the six largest U.S. steel mills had lost a combined $3 billion. Armco, the company Bain would buy the plant from, would lose $641 million in 1993.

The Kansas City plant was itself dying. At its 1970 height it employed 4,500; by the late 1980s it was down to 1,000. A year before acquisition, Armco had laid off another 75. Its equipment was old; it faced fierce competition at home and abroad.

B.C. Huselton, a vice president of the business at the time, tells me that in 1990 the Armco CEO held a meeting. "He told us, 'Look, we either try to sell it, or we've got to shut it down.'" Armco had shut down another Kansas City facility, Union Wire Rope, only a few years before.

The Kansas City plant had two product lines—high-carbon rods and grinding media (used in mining)—that it felt could give it a competitive edge. But it needed investment, and Armco was tapped out. Bain nonetheless saw some potential and in 1993 joined other investors to acquire it for $80 million. Management renamed it GS Technologies (which would become part of a larger GS Industries) and poured an additional $100 million into modernization.

The strategy worked for a time. The market firmed up and GSI became a U.S. leader in steel rods. In 1994 it felt confident enough to distribute a dividend to investors. In both 1996 and 1997, GSI would realize $1 billion in revenue.

And then came the tsunami. The late 1990s saw a new outpouring of cheap steel from elsewhere around the globe. The Asian financial crisis walloped the mining industry, cutting demand for GST products. The price of GST's electricity and natural gas skyrocketed. The union dug in, refusing to make concessions. By April 1997, it was on strike, shooting bottle rockets at guards. Labor costs spiked, and by 1999 GSI was reporting $53 million in net losses.

In 2001 it would become one of 31 steel companies that went bankrupt from 1993 to 2003. (Mr. Romney left Bain in 1999.) The steel crash was the economic drama du jour, with Congress railing about "dumping."

At the time, GST's union blamed the company's bankruptcy on the political class, for failing to hamstring imports. "We can't compete against the steel imports that are being sold under cost," said the president of GST's union in 2001. "Our pleas fell on deaf ears in the political arena." The Bush administration would ultimately slap on giant tariffs.

The bankruptcies were led by unionized companies that, like airlines and textiles and Detroit, had negotiated pay and benefits that helped drive their employers under. GST's pension benefits would get passed on to the federal Pension Benefit Guaranty Corp., which in 2002 received $7.5 billion in claims from the steel industry alone. The PBGC covered GST's basic pension payouts.

The Obama ad doesn't note that the broader company, GS Industries, employed 3,500 and that the Kansas City plant (with 750 workers) was the only one shuttered. Other plants were bought and operate today. Nor does it mention Bain's other steel investment in the early 1990s, in an Indiana start-up called Steel Dynamics. The firm touts innovative technology and a nonunion workforce. It today reports $6.3 billion in revenue—25 times what it claimed in its 1996 IPO—and employs 6,000.

A private-equity firm looking to quickly strip value from a company—to "suck" the life out of it—does not do so by investing $100 million in modernization and holding on for eight years, through bankruptcy. Bain has surely made its share of mistakes, and one may well have been trying to resuscitate a traditional steel firm in the grip of industry upheaval. The irony, says Mr. Huselton, is that this plant "wouldn't even be in today's news, if it hadn't been the opportunity that came with Bain. Those jobs would have been gone in 1993."

That's a more revealing story—of the pressures of a global market, the dangers of an inflexible workforce, and the opportunities that come with private equity and risk-taking. It's just not one Team Obama wants to tell.

Write to kim@wsj.com LINK (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303360504577410573651845802.html)

jhale667
07-13-2012, 12:08 PM
http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h217/jhale667/FeloniusWRONGney.jpg

MUSICMANN
07-13-2012, 01:36 PM
http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h217/jhale667/FeloniusWRONGney.jpg




How about those college records and the Fast and Furious documents and even possibly a real birth certificate Obama wants to stay hidden. If you knew anything about big business, you would know that as CEO of a company, your name stays on many of the documents for yrs. after you have given up the position. Once again, this is typical of this administration, to attack and make up something out of nothing, to turn the main focus away from Obama's failing policies and horrible job he has done with the economy and all other affairs that a President should be accountable for. Everyday Obama and the far left liberals hang a picture of someone else on their mirror in the morning so they can put the blame on others but themselves.

Satan
07-13-2012, 01:46 PM
How about those college records and the Fast and Furious documents and even possibly a real birth certificate Obama wants to stay hidden.

What year is it on your calendar? That "birth certificate" foolishness was settled 2 years ago.

jacksmar
07-13-2012, 02:16 PM
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_KCXLGR6gNyE/TTfBQEv74KI/AAAAAAAAATw/BHpgfcprRCM/s1600/obama-birth-certificate-kenya-dees.jpg

You're correct. Ubama submitted his copy certificate of live birth.

jacksmar
07-13-2012, 02:21 PM
http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h217/jhale667/FeloniusWRONGney.jpg

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/onpolitics/post/2012/07/mitt-romney-bain-capital-tenure-boston-globe/1#.UABm15H8dWk

Mitt Romney's campaign said today a Boston Globe article reporting that he remained CEO of Bain Capital longer than he has stated is "inaccurate."

"As Bain Capital has said, as Governor Romney has said, and as has been confirmed by independent fact checkers multiple times, Governor Romney left Bain Capital in February of 1999 to run the Olympics and had no input on investments or management of companies after that point," said Andrea Saul, a Romney spokeswoman.

Satan
07-13-2012, 02:32 PM
Remember the old Sesame Street game, "One of These Things Is Not Like The Other"??

http://c.o0bg.com/rf/pdf_960w/Boston/2011-2020/2012/07/11/BostonGlobe.com/National/Graphics/12romneybain_docs.jpg

I'll bet Guy Smiley does.........

http://1.media.collegehumor.cvcdn.com/32/36/collegehumor.dc8624092b62dbdfb0a0785315650fe8.png

Satan
07-13-2012, 02:47 PM
Just heard an ironic fact on HellRadio.....

The first Presidential Candidate to volunteer his tax records?

George Romney. (1968)

And every Presidential Candidate of either party has done so since. Until now.

One has to think that somewhere back on Kolob, George is really fucking embarrassed by his son right about now. http://www.cosgan.de/images/smilie/teufel/d085.gif

DLR Bridge
07-13-2012, 02:57 PM
Go get'em Satan!

gbranton
07-13-2012, 03:02 PM
Remember the old Sesame Street game, "One of These Things Is Not Like The Other"??

I DO remember it, and it was playing Hell with my brain while I was looking at the background, typeface, spacing and signatures on Obama's "birth certificate".

What's done is done but it begs the question, why doesn't an individual have to prove citizenship up front, seeing as how it is a Constitutional requirement? I've had to produce my birth certificate a number of times over the years to enroll in schools, to obtain ID and to get married (something the government shouldn't be involved in to begin with). None of these are as important as (A) being the president and (B) electing the president, so why is it too fucking much to ask for proper identification and documentation?

Satan
07-13-2012, 03:05 PM
Go get'em Satan!

Oh, I already got him. Because regardless of his professed faith in Elohim, there's ZERO chance that Willard Mittens Romney will ever be the God of his own planet or a resident of any of the Three Heavens spoken of in LDS doctrine.

As a living embodiment of greed itself, it's obvious where his Final Destination will be. Maybe I'll even create a corporation for him to run down here just to keep him busy for Eternity.

How does "Pain Capital" sound??

Satan
07-13-2012, 03:09 PM
I DO remember it, and it was playing Hell with my brain while I was looking at the background, typeface, spacing and signatures on Obama's "birth certificate".

What's done is done but it begs the question, why doesn't an individual have to prove citizenship up front, seeing as how it is a Constitutional requirement? I've had to produce my birth certificate a number of times over the years to enroll in schools, to obtain ID and to get married (something the government shouldn't be involved in to begin with). None of these are as important as (A) being the president and (B) electing the president, so why is it too fucking much to ask for proper identification and documentation?

Be careful what you wish for. Because the only Presidential candidates in the last century born outside of the US were Republicans John McCain (Panama) and, ironically enough, George Romney (Mexico). Also ironic is the fact that the issue was never raised when Romney Sr. ran for the office. Neither was his religion.

gbranton
07-13-2012, 03:23 PM
Be careful what you wish for. Because the only Presidential candidates in the last century born outside of the US were Republicans John McCain (Panama) and, ironically enough, George Romney (Mexico). Also ironic is the fact that the issue was never raised when Romney Sr. ran for the office. Neither was his religion.

I don't recall going on record as wishing for John fucking McCain. With him in office the economy would still be fucked, the president would still be signing our freedom away on a daily basis and on top of it all we'd be at war with Iran right now.

jacksmar
07-13-2012, 03:30 PM
Satan couldn't net a beer fart at a wrestling match.

Satan by his very nature is fucking first class liar. Satan killed J F Kennedy. Satan killed every Kennedy.
Satan killed MLK. Satan killed Trevon Martin.

That's the reason the Globe pulled a CBS on this one. Duped. Nothing new.

When the blitzkrieg raged
And the bodies stank

So when are you going to dig for Barry's college money source? Barry was born a poor sharecropper just selling drugs to get by. Remember?
Go get 'em.

Satan
07-13-2012, 03:30 PM
I don't recall going on record as wishing for John fucking McCain. With him in office the economy would still be fucked, the president would still be signing our freedom away on a daily basis and on top of it all we'd be at war with Iran right now.

Worse yet, he probably would have dropped dead by now from a heart attack (or a 5th occurance of cancer) and y'all would have been stuck with a lunatic imbecile from Alaska.

Satan
07-13-2012, 03:33 PM
Satan couldn't net a beer fart at a wrestling match.

Satan by his very nature is fucking first class liar. Satan killed J F Kennedy. Satan killed every Kennedy.
Satan killed MLK. Satan killed Trevon Martin.

That's the reason the Globe pulled a CBS on this one. Duped. Nothing new.

When the blitzkrieg raged
And the bodies stank

So when are you going to dig for Barry's college money source? Barry was born a poor sharecropper just selling drugs to get by. Remember?
Go get 'em.

Thanks for your complete misinterpretation of one of Mick & Keith's best songs, but I'm not Poppy Bush.

And sorry, I'm not buying the new "even dumber than the birther shit" conspiracies about Obama either.

jacksmar
07-13-2012, 03:52 PM
It isn't a conspiracy. Nice deflection.
Mitt got his money from his family to go to college. Where did Barry get his money? Simple question.

The Toxic Twins song is open for interpretation isn't it?

Satan killed the Rosenbergs. Satan killed Michael Jackson.

As heads is tails
Just call me lucifer.

Satan is a liar.

TJMKID
07-13-2012, 04:11 PM
What's done is done but it begs the question, why doesn't an individual have to prove citizenship up front, seeing as how it is a Constitutional requirement? I've had to produce my birth certificate a number of times over the years to enroll in schools, to obtain ID and to get married (something the government shouldn't be involved in to begin with). None of these are as important as (A) being the president and (B) electing the president, so why is it too fucking much to ask for proper identification and documentation?


I fully agree --- the only 2 requirements in the Constitution to be eligible for the Presidency is be at least 35 yrs. old and a natural-born U.S. citizen.

An authentic birth certificate can validate both those requirements --- all candidates should be required to produce it 1 year before the election or else they drop out.

jhale667
07-13-2012, 04:53 PM
Can't believe anyone is still entertaining birther fantasies in 2012... :doh:

ELVIS
07-13-2012, 05:37 PM
The birth certificate is a fake made on a computer...


Sent from my iPhone, bitches!

MUSICMANN
07-13-2012, 06:09 PM
Can't believe anyone is still entertaining birther fantasies in 2012... :doh:



Well, when Obama continues to do underhanded shit like not being open and forward with Fast and Furious documents and not releasing his college records and such, it is easy to want to go back to his birth certificate and question the authenticity of that as well. The guy and his administration is about as transparent as a solid brick wall. His policies are horrible for the economy and in his grand scheme he wants to cater to the lowest class of Americans and not only have everyone else pay for it, but double or triple the amount of people who will become dependent on the government and not want to go out and work. Why do you think that every economic bill that gets passed in the house and sent to the Senate, Harry Reid put's it in his pocket and forgets about it. It's because Obama want's to grow government and turn this country into the biggest socialist country in the world. Obama doesn't want job creation, he want's entitlement growth and expansion. If you people who love Obama so much would just sit back and just realize that we as a country are on the fringe of losing our freedom and our rights as a nation, as a people. This country was founded on very simple and solid principles and ideals, and at every turn, Obama has stepped and shit on the constitution for his own radical agenda.

Let's also get this out and straight. Blacks and Hispanics didn't put this lunatic in the White House, dumbass young white college kids who don't know shit from shinola did. Truth be told, if you don't own property or have a damn job, are an Illegal Mexican and don't pay taxes and you live off a government check, you shouldn't have the right to vote for President of the United States or anyone else. If you have nothing invested into this country and live off everyone Else's hard work, why should you have a say or vote on who makes the policies and govern this country. You got these dumb kids/people out there who don't know shit, never worked a day in their life and they get a chance to vote for someone like Obama who doesn't know jack shit about business, so they can be part of the sheep and feel all fuzzy inside, while people who actually own business's and have employee's that work hard and depend on a stable job and economy can now suffer for their idiotic sense of self worth. FUCKING PURELY PATHETIC!!!

Satan
07-13-2012, 06:20 PM
It isn't a conspiracy. Nice deflection.
Mitt got his money from his family to go to college. Where did Barry get his money? Simple question.

The Toxic Twins song is open for interpretation isn't it?

Satan killed the Rosenbergs. Satan killed Michael Jackson.

As heads is tails
Just call me lucifer.

Satan is a liar.

See, you have the whole meaning of the song ass backwards.

It's called "Sympathy for the Devil" for a reason.

The whole point of the lyrics is that you mortals have blamed ME for everything that goes wrong throughout all of recorded history, when the actual blame falls on yourselves. Because you fail to realize that most of the evil that takes place on Earth is not rooted in Hell, but in the hearts and minds of your fellow human beings.

"....when after all it was you and me"


So when you meet me, have some courtesy. Have some sympathy, and some taste. And for Hell's sake, start taking responsibility for your own fuckups and stop blaming it all on the Devil.

Satan
07-13-2012, 06:22 PM
The birth certificate is a fake made on a computer...



Dragonshit.

Satan
07-13-2012, 06:26 PM
It's because Obama want's to grow government and turn this country into the biggest socialist country in the world.

Seriously, can you pull your head out of Michael Weiner's ass long enough to name ONE socialist thing that Obama has done?

jacksmar
07-13-2012, 06:28 PM
See, you have the whole meaning of the song ass backwards.

It's called "Sympathy for the Devil" for a reason.

The whole point of the lyrics is that you mortals have blamed ME for everything that goes wrong throughout all of recorded history, when the actual blame falls on yourselves. Because you fail to realize that most of the evil that takes place on Earth is not rooted in Hell, but in the hearts and minds of your fellow human beings.

"....when after all it was you and me"


So when you meet me, have some courtesy. Have some sympathy, and some taste. And for Hell's sake, start taking responsibility for your own fuckups and stop blaming it all on the Devil.

You are a liar.

Satan killed Curt Cobain. Satan killed Jimi Hendrix. Satan killed Jim Morrison. And video killed the radio star.

MUSICMANN
07-13-2012, 06:31 PM
Seriously, can you pull your head out of Michael Weiner's ass long enough to name ONE socialist thing that Obama has done?



If you don't know and can't see, then you must be one of those dumb kids who shouldn't have been and still allowed to fucking vote.

Nickdfresh
07-13-2012, 06:32 PM
The birth certificate is a fake made on a computer...



Sent from my iPhone ringing up my asshole next to my head, bitches!

Um, their is a ton of evidence besides his Certificate, dummy. Are you guys fucking retarded with this birther horseshit?

Satan
07-13-2012, 06:49 PM
If you don't know and can't see, then you must be one of those dumb kids who shouldn't have been and still allowed to fucking vote.

Translation: I was home-schooled and my mom-sister never told me what "socialism" actually meant. She just told me it was something you should call Democrats. Especially when they aren't white. Even when they ACT like Republicans.....

Satan
07-13-2012, 06:52 PM
You are a liar.

Satan killed Curt Cobain. Satan killed Jimi Hendrix. Satan killed Jim Morrison. And video killed the radio star.

Cuntney Love killed Kurt. The asshole who hung up on Jimi when he called for help killed him. And Morrison isn't actually dead.

And corporatism killed the video star.

But this thread isn't about any of that. It's about Willard Mittens Romney being a greedy, tax cheating, job killing, serial liar.

chefcraig
07-13-2012, 06:53 PM
The Toxic Twins song is open for interpretation isn't it?

The Toxic Twins were these guys, not Jagger and Richards.


http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f236/Poison456/HEROZ%20NEW/the-toxic-twins.jpg

Satan
07-13-2012, 07:04 PM
Correct. Jagger & Richards are the Glimmer Twins. But the Toxic Twins tried to be them. Not necessarily succeeding, but had way too much fun trying.

jacksmar
07-13-2012, 07:09 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/romney-calls-obama-apologize-bain-attacks-221652801.html

"There is absolutely no evidence that I had any role whatsoever in the management of Bain Capital after February 1999," Romney told ABC News' Jon Karl. "Why the president continues and his people continue to make these kinds of charges and try to turn this into something big is clear, I think, to the American people because the president's failed to do the job he was elected to do which was to get this economy turned around."

Sorry I don't know my drug users like you guys do.

Satan
07-13-2012, 07:15 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/romney-calls-obama-apologize-bain-attacks-221652801.html

"There is absolutely no evidence that I had any role whatsoever in the management of Bain Capital after February 1999," Romney told ABC News' Jon Karl.

The evidence was posted by my Most Unholy self above in post #7.

Willard Mittens Romney was the "sole stockholder, Chairman of the Board, Chief Executive Officer, and President" of Bain Capital in 2001.

A Role in the management? It would appear he was EVERY role in the management, as Chairman, CEO, and President are usually three different positions.

gbranton
07-13-2012, 07:22 PM
Um, their is a ton of evidence besides his Certificate, dummy. Are you guys fucking retarded with this birther horseshit?

Um, President of the United States is possibly the most important job in the world. Should we rely on EVIDENCE or should we rely on DOCUMENTATION?

Satan
07-13-2012, 07:28 PM
The DOCUMENTATION has been widely posted from Earth to Hell and all points in between......

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/birthcertificate.asp

gbranton
07-13-2012, 07:46 PM
The DOCUMENTATION has been widely posted from Earth to Hell and all points in between......

My only point is that this should have been done up front before anyone is allowed to run for (or vote for) any public office they should be required to prove who the fuck they are. Then if there were any doubt it could be quashed on day one without all the obfuscation, which fuels all the scrutiny and mistrust. The way it was handled it looks really bad, like the man had (has?) something to hide. I have no idea about what is going on with this and some of the speculation here is obviously by nutballs, which some of course have seized and built on, but that certificate honestly looks like some sort of photoshop to me. Maybe it is merely the way it was reproduced or maybe he doesn't want to make public something about his parents' religion or father's info. But you cannot deny that all the foot dragging and ceiling gazing on his part makes him at least LOOK like he has something to hide. Maybe he doesn't and it is just ANOTHER poorly handled situation by this administration. I would have made copies of mine on day one, gave them to everyone and went on to the next thing, that's how a person acts who has nothing to hide.

Satan
07-13-2012, 07:52 PM
McCain should have been the one to shut this bullshit witch hunt down during the 2008 campaign. The fact that he actually WAS born on foreign soil was reason enough to not allow his party to be hypocrites about it. To his credit, he DID try to tone down all the "He's an Ay-rab Mooslim" crap.... most of which was stirred up by his own running mate.

jhale667
07-13-2012, 08:15 PM
Um, their is a ton of evidence besides his Certificate, dummy. Are you guys fucking retarded with this birther horseshit?

Clearly so. It's fucking pathetic.

MUSICMANN
07-13-2012, 08:33 PM
Clearly so. It's fucking pathetic.


What's really pathetic is Obama's record.

Satan
07-13-2012, 08:42 PM
What's really pathetic is Obama's record.

Slightly more pathetic are those who blame Obama for the huge pile of Chimpshit that was left for him to clean up.

Yeah, he could have cleaned it up better, and followed the FDR blueprint on how to do so. But the fact remains that it was a big pile of shit. And they don't make a wheelbarrow that can carry that out in one load.

jhale667
07-13-2012, 08:45 PM
What's really pathetic is Obama's record.

Bullshit. He's far from perfect, but he's actually accomplished quite a bit, despite more obstructionism than ANY President has ever faced.

http://whatthefuckhasobamadonesofar.com/

MUSICMANN
07-13-2012, 09:00 PM
Slightly more pathetic are those who blame Obama for the huge pile of Chimpshit that was left for him to clean up.

Yeah, he could have cleaned it up better, and followed the FDR blueprint on how to do so. But the fact remains that it was a big pile of shit. And they don't make a wheelbarrow that can carry that out in one load.


Oh, here we go again. Blaming an ex president 4 yrs later. I would love to see this type of thinking in the Athletic world. Can you imagine, having a coach and team who won a few national championships and are in the top 10 for 8 yrs, then the coach decides to retire and all his staff leaves as well. The next coach comes in with is radical ideas and plans and new coaching staff, with a few players that were recruited from the previous coach. The first 2 yrs. is a rebuilding period and the team in those seasons can only pull out a 500 record. The next two season are all the recruits by the new coach and his staff and they fail to even win a single game. The coach now, into his 4th yr. stands in front of the press at almost the end of the season and says that the reason why they sucked since he was hired 4 yrs. ago was because of the last coach. You fuckers are as predictable and funny as shit.

gbranton
07-13-2012, 09:07 PM
more obstructionism than ANY President has ever faced.

LOL, I hear this a lot on this board, how the evil Repubs blocked the noble Prez who is doing such a good job at every turn.

Fact is, from January 3, 2009, until January 3, 2011 Dems controlled Congress 51 - 47, so how do you figure? Up until the last election, the Dems controlled the House as well. I wouldn't make that excuse if I were trying to back him, as it implies that he can't even rally his own base.

Yet somehow dumb old, stupid old, inept moron George Bush managed to get much of what he wanted from this Congress and the one before that, which was even had an even larger Democrat majority.

Another thing that makes me laugh is that when Repubes stand up to Democrats they are FUCKING OBSTRUCTIONISTS! But when Democrats do it they are standing up for what they believe in.

MUSICMANN
07-13-2012, 09:16 PM
Bullshit. He's far from perfect, but he's actually accomplished quite a bit, despite more obstructionism than ANY President has ever faced.

http://whatthefuckhasobamadonesofar.com/



Oh yea, he's done so much for the people of this country. You are correct. He has spent more than any other president in history, with the end of this yr. being the fourth consecutive yr. with over a Trillion dollars spent. No other US president has every spent that much in a single term. He has put more people out of work and raised unemployment than when he took office. He has grown government to almost socialist proportions. He passed the biggest Tax on the middle class and deceitfully passed it as a health program. He wants to extend the tax cuts to everyone but those who make over 250k a yr. which basically is a slap in the face to the majority of small business owners. He has pushed so much regulation on deep offshore oil drilling, we have become even more dependent on foreign oil. He has sent billions of tax payers money overseas to these green companies in which most have went bankrupt, yet didn't give those jobs to Americans. He has made the US look like a paper tiger globally and has emboldened nations like Russia and rogue countries like Iran. Oh, yea, he has done so much for America.

Nickdfresh
07-13-2012, 09:43 PM
Um, President of the United States is possibly the most important job in the world. Should we rely on EVIDENCE or should we rely on DOCUMENTATION?

Have you ever seen Mitt Romney's BC? How do you know he's not an alien from planted Xnena?

Of course, I'd rather see his tax returns...

gbranton
07-13-2012, 09:51 PM
Have you ever seen Mitt Romney's BC? How do you know he's not an alien from planted Xnena?

Of course, I'd rather see his tax returns...

No, but my point is, he SHOULD have had to show it BEFORE he could run. Everybody.....that means EVERYFUCKINGBODY. Everybody. Irrespective of political affiliation.

The tax returns are a nice idea too.

Nickdfresh
07-13-2012, 09:53 PM
No, but my point is, he SHOULD have had to show it BEFORE he could run. Everybody.....that means EVERYFUCKINGBODY. Everybody. Irrespective of political affiliation.

The tax returns are a nice idea too.

It really doesn't matter if he shows it, because when he shows it retards like Elbow just say its a fake (even though everyone in the Hawaiian gov't verified it)...

Nitro Express
07-13-2012, 10:15 PM
The Republicans had the bases loaded and lied to the public and military and started a war rampage in the middle east that still continues so people can make money off of supplying and financing the wars. The Democrats had the bases loaded and rammed through a healthcare bill that turned out to be a total takeover of the healthcare industry and a mandatory mandate to buy insurance or get taxed for not doing so. Obama has spent over $4 Trillion his first term in office and has little to show for it. Both the Republicans and Democrats have bailed out financial institutions that should have just failed. Now we bailed them out and they thanked us with higher interest rates and fees. Now they just steal directly out of your account i.e. MF Global and nothing happens to them. The Democrats who are supposedly the party of the people are letting the fat cats off while they continue their looting and thieving.

Honestly, I don't see any of these parties serving we the people very well. I would say they both stink.

Dr. Love
07-14-2012, 12:46 AM
Bullshit. He's far from perfect, but he's actually accomplished quite a bit, despite more obstructionism than ANY President has ever faced.

http://whatthefuckhasobamadonesofar.com/

that's a pretty cool effect for rotating text

Nitro Express
07-14-2012, 02:39 AM
I was involved with the Salt Lake City Olympic games and what happened there was it was tottaly mismanaged and full of corruption. The situation was so bad it was looking like the olympics wasn't going to happen. It really was a bad situation.

Mitt Romney was asked to come in because he had the reputation for being a fix it guy. At the time Mitt was head of Bain Capital. This all happened quick and it was nothing Mitt was planning on doing but he accepted the job. He was running the olympics full time and he had a huge mess to sort out. No way could he be running Bain and sorting out the olympic mess the same time.

So yeah, he might have been listed as CEO until someone else came in but if you have a competent management team then they run things until the Board of Directors hire another CEO. It was a unique situation.

Really this is a whole lot of nothing.

My main concern about Romney is he is getting the support of James Baker, Dick Cheney, and Henry Kissinger. None of these guys have any love for the American people or care that our constitutional form of government survives. They are about elites owning and running everything, but then Obama by his actions prove the same but he seems to be ran by Zibignew Brzinski, and George Soros. Maybe these old fuck oligarchs are in a who rules the nation competition and Obama and Mitt are just the ratts they put in the areana to fight each other. Bush was a puppet, Obama is a puppet, and Mitt might be more of a collaborator like Bill Clinton was. Mitt and Bill aren't stupid but Bush and Obama couldn't find their way out of a wet paper sack.

Satan
07-14-2012, 02:45 AM
Have you ever seen Mitt Romney's BC? How do you know he's not an alien from planted Xnena?

Of course, I'd rather see his tax returns...

Well, actually he's from the planet Kolob....

http://www.mormongags.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/node-gallery-display/IfYouCouldHie_0.JPG

Nitro Express
07-14-2012, 03:10 AM
What I find amusing is Mitt's fellow brother in the priesthood Harry Reid said Mitt wasn't qualified to be a dog catcher. Mormon high priests aren't supposed to act that way towards each other.

Also Mitt was in town visiting The Dick and raising some cash.

Former Vice President Dick Cheney told a group of Republican donors Thursday that Mitt Romney is the "only" man qualified to lead the country through a potential crisis like the 9/11 attacks.

Speaking at the first of two fundraisers he hosted for Romney near Jackson, Wyo., Cheney praised Romney as the candidate in the race who can handle "the kind of challenges a president has to deal with." He told donors "there's only one man" who meets the requirements to be president of the United States, and it's Romney.

"There is always, sooner or later, a crisis, totally unanticipated. You can't plan on it, you don't know what it's going to be, but if you go through the campaigns and study the history books and talk to all the experts, sooner or later there's going to be a big surprise, usually an unpleasant one," Cheney said, citing the memory of the 9/11 attacks. "When I think about the kind of individual I want in the Oval Office in that moment of crisis, who has to make those key decisions, some of them life and death decisions, decisions as the commander in chief, who has the responsibility for sending our young men and women in harm's way. That man's Mitt Romney."

Romney, who took the stage after Cheney, praised the former vice president as a "great American leader" who dedicated his life to public service.

"He went back to Washington and served year after year after year—and not always in ways that achieved a lot of visibility. And at times when he achieved visibility, [it was] sometimes not the visibility he wanted, but in each case, put his country foremost in his life," Romney said, according to a pool report. "And to do that and to bring up a family in that ... is something which I respect and admire."

Romney made no mention of Cheney's ex-boss, former President George W. Bush—from whom Romney has distanced himself during the campaign. Romney and Cheney addressed donors who paid between $1,000 and $10,000 to hear the men speak at a local country club. Individuals who contributed $30,000 were invited to a private dinner at Cheney's Wyoming home. The two events were expected to bring in at least $4 million for the Romney campaign and the Republican National Committee.

Satan
07-14-2012, 03:19 AM
Well... considering how Willard treated poor old Seamus, I'd say Spineless Harry had a valid point! http://www.cosgan.de/images/smilie/teufel/d025.gif

Elohim isn't going to be too upset over what Reid said. He loves dogs, and you don't know how close He came to dumping a swarm of locusts on Romney after that whole incident.

Yeah, I still have contacts upstairs. They keep me updated on all the good gossip..... http://www.cosgan.de/images/smilie/teufel/a015.gif

jhale667
07-14-2012, 03:24 AM
http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h217/jhale667/Mittensisnotamerican.jpg

Nitro Express
07-14-2012, 03:40 AM
Well... considering how Willard treated poor old Seamus, I'd say Spineless Harry had a valid point! http://www.cosgan.de/images/smilie/teufel/d025.gif

Elohim isn't going to be too upset over what Reid said. He loves dogs, and you don't know how close He came to dumping a swarm of locusts on Romney after that whole incident.

Yeah, I still have contacts upstairs. They keep me updated on all the good gossip..... http://www.cosgan.de/images/smilie/teufel/a015.gif

I don't know. Every time I give my dog a ride in the car she sticks her head out the window to be in the air stream. Maybe Mitt just figured if the dog likes wind that much putting it on top of the car would be doing it a favor.

The Mormons really goofed it with Elohim. They say it's the name of God the father but Elohim is a plural word in hebrew that translates into gods. The Mormons say the name refers to one person and is a singular name which is incorrect.

Satan
07-14-2012, 04:07 AM
My dog Cerberus has three heads. If he tried to hang all three of them out the window at the same time, he'd probably get stuck.

LoungeMachine
07-14-2012, 04:34 AM
If you don't know and can't see, then you must be one of those dumb kids who shouldn't have been and still allowed to fucking vote.

He's anally retarded, you mean....

:gulp:

ELVIS
07-14-2012, 09:22 AM
It really doesn't matter if he shows it, because when he shows it retards like Elbow just say its a fake (even though everyone in the Hawaiian gov't verified it)...

Everyone ??

Why do you lieberals continue to suck Obama's dick when he's lied about every fucking thing ??

And the BC is fake as can be but you can't admit it...

But keep on sucking, Obama cares about you...


LMAO !!


Sent from my iPhone, bitches!

Satan
07-14-2012, 12:02 PM
And the BC is fake as can be but you can't admit it...



No it is not. And if you can't take a Devil's word for it, trust the allegedly non-partisan (but often conservative-leaning) snopes.com.....

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/birthcertificate.asp

Nickdfresh
07-14-2012, 12:46 PM
Everyone ??

Why do you lieberals continue to suck Obama's dick when he's lied about every fucking thing ??

You sound jealous. Um, but acknowledging the basic truth is hardly sucking a dick...


And the BC is fake as can be but you can't admit it...

But keep on sucking, Obama cares about you...


LMAO !!


Sent from my iPhone, bitches!

You're a retard and do far more for the Obama campaign than I do by making his enemies, such as yourself, look like conspiratorial fuckwits...

ELVIS
07-14-2012, 01:17 PM
I hope no one dies before Monday...


Sent from my iPhone, bitches!

Satan
07-14-2012, 03:40 PM
Time to get this thread back on topic.....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EEUfSVWAd4

Satan
07-14-2012, 03:45 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QMFOeE0PCU


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQGRb7pwsUU


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXsfPSnR7is

BigBadBrian
07-15-2012, 06:11 AM
FORD, your arguments are null and void.

Please try to use reputable sources next time.

Check with me first for the approved list. :thumb: :gulp:

LoungeMachine
07-15-2012, 07:38 AM
FORD, your arguments are null and void.

Please try to use reputable sources next time.

Check with me first for the approved list. :thumb: :gulp:

See also: Drudge, Faux Knews, Teabags_for_Justice

:gulp:

I know you'd never admit it Brie, but you're a joke here........

Seshmeister
07-15-2012, 01:18 PM
Former Vice President Dick Cheney told a group of Republican donors Thursday that Mitt Romney is the "only" man qualified to lead the country through a potential crisis like the 9/11 attacks.

Speaking at the first of two fundraisers he hosted for Romney near Jackson, Wyo., Cheney praised Romney as the candidate in the race who can handle "the kind of challenges a president has to deal with." He told donors "there's only one man" who meets the requirements to be president of the United States, and it's Romney.

"There is always, sooner or later, a crisis, totally unanticipated. You can't plan on it, you don't know what it's going to be, but if you go through the campaigns and study the history books and talk to all the experts, sooner or later there's going to be a big surprise, usually an unpleasant one," Cheney said, citing the memory of the 9/11 attacks. "When I think about the kind of individual I want in the Oval Office in that moment of crisis, who has to make those key decisions, some of them life and death decisions, decisions as the commander in chief, who has the responsibility for sending our young men and women in harm's way. That man's Mitt Romney."


That's pretty fucking funny coming from the guy who made sure That man used to be GW...


http://bootnewt.envy.nu/readmypetgoat.jpg

BenJammin
07-15-2012, 02:23 PM
Oh, here we go again. Blaming an ex president 4 yrs later. I would love to see this type of thinking in the Athletic world. Can you imagine, having a coach and team who won a few national championships and are in the top 10 for 8 yrs, then the coach decides to retire and all his staff leaves as well. The next coach comes in with is radical ideas and plans and new coaching staff, with a few players that were recruited from the previous coach. The first 2 yrs. is a rebuilding period and the team in those seasons can only pull out a 500 record. The next two season are all the recruits by the new coach and his staff and they fail to even win a single game. The coach now, into his 4th yr. stands in front of the press at almost the end of the season and says that the reason why they sucked since he was hired 4 yrs. ago was because of the last coach. You fuckers are as predictable and funny as shit.

Terrible analogy... was the rest of the coaching staff working against this theoretical coach, aiming to make him "a one term coach" (at the expense of having those losing seasons)? Or was it the team itself working against him ? Probably the cheerleaders too, fucking bitches !

jhale667
07-15-2012, 05:26 PM
I'm not a fan of Rahm Emannuel, but he makes a pretty interesting point about WRONGney, I mean Rmoney, er...Mittens here.


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jhale667
07-16-2012, 01:47 AM
Oh yea, he's done so much for the people of this country. You are correct. He has spent more than any other president in history, with the end of this yr. being the fourth consecutive yr. with over a Trillion dollars spent. No other US president has every spent that much in a single term. He has put more people out of work and raised unemployment than when he took office. He has grown government to almost socialist proportions. He passed the biggest Tax on the middle class and deceitfully passed it as a health program. He wants to extend the tax cuts to everyone but those who make over 250k a yr. which basically is a slap in the face to the majority of small business owners. He has pushed so much regulation on deep offshore oil drilling, we have become even more dependent on foreign oil. He has sent billions of tax payers money overseas to these green companies in which most have went bankrupt, yet didn't give those jobs to Americans. He has made the US look like a paper tiger globally and has emboldened nations like Russia and rogue countries like Iran. Oh, yea, he has done so much for America. :lie:


Yeah...more Repuke talking point horseshit.


http://articles.marketwatch.com/2012-05-22/commentary/31802270_1_spending-federal-budget-drunken-sailor

Obama spending binge never happened

WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) — Of all the falsehoods told about President Barack Obama, the biggest whopper is the one about his reckless spending spree.

As would-be president Mitt Romney tells it: “I will lead us out of this debt and spending inferno.”

Almost everyone believes that Obama has presided over a massive increase in federal spending, an “inferno” of spending that threatens our jobs, our businesses and our children’s future. Even Democrats seem to think it’s true.

But it didn’t happen. Although there was a big stimulus bill under Obama, federal spending is rising at the slowest pace since Dwight Eisenhower brought the Korean War to an end in the 1950s.

Even hapless Herbert Hoover managed to increase spending more than Obama has.

Here are the facts, according to the official government statistics:

• In the 2009 fiscal year — the last of George W. Bush’s presidency — federal spending rose by 17.9% from $2.98 trillion to $3.52 trillion. Check the official numbers at the Office of Management and Budget.

• In fiscal 2010 — the first budget under Obama — spending fell 1.8% to $3.46 trillion.

• In fiscal 2011, spending rose 4.3% to $3.60 trillion.

• In fiscal 2012, spending is set to rise 0.7% to $3.63 trillion, according to the Congressional Budget Office’s estimate of the budget that was agreed to last August.

• Finally in fiscal 2013 — the final budget of Obama’s term — spending is scheduled to fall 1.3% to $3.58 trillion. Read the CBO’s latest budget outlook.

Over Obama’s four budget years, federal spending is on track to rise from $3.52 trillion to $3.58 trillion, an annualized increase of just 0.4%.

There has been no huge increase in spending under the current president, despite what you hear.

Why do people think Obama has spent like a drunken sailor? It’s in part because of a fundamental misunderstanding of the federal budget.

What people forget (or never knew) is that the first year of every presidential term starts with a budget approved by the previous administration and Congress. The president only begins to shape the budget in his second year. It takes time to develop a budget and steer it through Congress — especially in these days of congressional gridlock.

The 2009 fiscal year, which Republicans count as part of Obama’s legacy, began four months before Obama moved into the White House. The major spending decisions in the 2009 fiscal year were made by George W. Bush and the previous Congress.

Like a relief pitcher who comes into the game with the bases loaded, Obama came in with a budget in place that called for spending to increase by hundreds of billions of dollars in response to the worst economic and financial calamity in generations.
By no means did Obama try to reverse that spending. Indeed, his budget proposals called for even more spending in subsequent years. But the Congress (mostly Republicans but many Democrats, too) stopped him. If Obama had been a king who could impose his will, perhaps what the Republicans are saying about an Obama spending binge would be accurate.

Yet the actual record doesn’t show a reckless increase in spending. Far from it.

Before Obama had even lifted a finger, the CBO was already projecting that the federal deficit would rise to $1.2 trillion in fiscal 2009. The government actually spent less money in 2009 than it was projected to, but the deficit expanded to $1.4 trillion because revenue from taxes fell much further than expected, due to the weak economy and the emergency tax cuts that were part of the stimulus bill.

The projected deficit for the 2010-13 period has grown from an expected $1.7 trillion in January 2009 to $4.4 trillion today. Lower-than-forecast revenue accounts for 73% of the $2.7 trillion increase in the expected deficit. That’s assuming that the Bush and Obama tax cuts are repealed completely.

When Obama took the oath of office, the $789 billion bank bailout had already been approved. Federal spending on unemployment benefits, food stamps and Medicare was already surging to meet the dire unemployment crisis that was well underway. See the CBO’s January 2009 budget outlook.

Obama is not responsible for that increase, though he is responsible (along with the Congress) for about $140 billion in extra spending in the 2009 fiscal year from the stimulus bill, from the expansion of the children’s health-care program and from other appropriations bills passed in the spring of 2009.

If we attribute that $140 billion in stimulus to Obama and not to Bush, we find that spending under Obama grew by about $200 billion over four years, amounting to a 1.4% annualized increase.

After adjusting for inflation, spending under Obama is falling at a 1.4% annual pace — the first decline in real spending since the early 1970s, when Richard Nixon was retreating from the quagmire in Vietnam.

In per capita terms, real spending will drop by nearly 5% from $11,450 per person in 2009 to $10,900 in 2013 (measured in 2009 dollars).

By the way, real government spending rose 12.3% a year in Hoover’s four years. Now there was a guy who knew how to attack a depression by spending government money!

Nitro Express
07-16-2012, 03:20 AM
Let's just say Mitt and Barrack are both as appealing as a shit sandwich. Just another rigged election bought and paid for by Goldman Sachs and GE.

Nitro Express
07-16-2012, 03:23 AM
Everyone ??

Why do you lieberals continue to suck Obama's dick when he's lied about every fucking thing ??

And the BC is fake as can be but you can't admit it...

But keep on sucking, Obama cares about you...


LMAO !!


Sent from my iPhone, bitches!

Because Barry bats for the same team. It's no more complicated than that. If Mitt Romney was a Democrat and everything else about him stayed the same they would be defending him.

BigBadBrian
07-16-2012, 08:05 AM
See also: Drudge, Faux Knews, Teabags_for_Justice

:gulp:

I know you'd never admit it Brie, but you're a joke here........

Aww, did I hurt your little feelings again with that comment I made about you being a hack on the bass?

Give it up, Bamboo Boy. :biggrin:

ashstralia
07-16-2012, 08:21 AM
hey BBB, rate my guitar hackings!

if i was a citizen, i'd be giving barry another go.

BigBadBrian
07-16-2012, 12:03 PM
I'm not a fan of Rahm Emannuel, but he makes a pretty interesting point about WRONGney, I mean Rmoney, er...Mittens here.



Ever notice how liberals like to come up with little nicknames for those on the Right? It's like they (liberals) are stuck in 3rd grade. Of course, most of them still think like they're in 3rd grade. :biggrin:

BigBadBrian
07-16-2012, 12:06 PM
hey BBB, rate my guitar hackings!

Gimme a link!


if i was a citizen, i'd be giving barry another go.

That's because you obviously only read/listen to the Left. Try to broaden your listening/reading to other media outlets.

jhale667
07-16-2012, 12:10 PM
Ever notice how liberals like to come up with little nicknames for those on the Right? It's like they (liberals) are stuck in 3rd grade. Of course, most of them still think like they're in 3rd grade. :biggrin:

This from a guy with barely the intellect of a kindergarden student. Truth hurts, bitch. Everything about the guy is WRONG, hence WRONGney.....and he's your hero, which shows what an idiot you are.
Notice conservatards like Brie get all butt-hurt because their intellectually and morally bankrupt positions on issues open themselves to seriousl ridicule, and guarantee they deserve absolutely NO respect? THAT's why you get ridiculed BigBlatheringBitch. You're pathetic, just like your candidate.

ELVIS
07-16-2012, 12:40 PM
Fuck Robama and Obamney....

jacksmar
07-16-2012, 12:52 PM
http://www.americaspodiatrist.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/Barefoot-Michelle-Obama.jpg

Barry's bitch bein' taught a new trick.

BTW lil red devil, I forgot it was OK to post pictures about a fake religion. A commie lib liar won't mind if post a few of a Kenyan Houseboy?

FORD
07-16-2012, 12:58 PM
Ever notice how liberals like to come up with little nicknames for those on the Right? It's like they (liberals) are stuck in 3rd grade. Of course, most of them still think like they're in 3rd grade. :biggrin:




Barry's bitch bein' taught a new trick.

BTW lil red devil, I forgot it was OK to post pictures about a fake religion. A commie lib liar won't mind if post a few of a Kenyan Houseboy?

So according to Brian, I guess this means Jerksmear is in 3rd grade?

Hey I guess that's improvement. I assumed he was held back in kindergarten.

jhale667
07-16-2012, 01:00 PM
So according to Brian, I guess this means Jerksmear is in 3rd grade?

Hey I guess that's improvement. I assumed he was held back in kindergarten.


He was. Once again, you're giving Jerksmear WAY too much credit.

MUSICMANN
07-16-2012, 01:07 PM
:lie:


Yeah...more Repuke talking point horseshit.


http://articles.marketwatch.com/2012-05-22/commentary/31802270_1_spending-federal-budget-drunken-sailor

Obama spending binge never happened

WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) — Of all the falsehoods told about President Barack Obama, the biggest whopper is the one about his reckless spending spree.

As would-be president Mitt Romney tells it: “I will lead us out of this debt and spending inferno.”

Almost everyone believes that Obama has presided over a massive increase in federal spending, an “inferno” of spending that threatens our jobs, our businesses and our children’s future. Even Democrats seem to think it’s true.

But it didn’t happen. Although there was a big stimulus bill under Obama, federal spending is rising at the slowest pace since Dwight Eisenhower brought the Korean War to an end in the 1950s.

Even hapless Herbert Hoover managed to increase spending more than Obama has.

Here are the facts, according to the official government statistics:

• In the 2009 fiscal year — the last of George W. Bush’s presidency — federal spending rose by 17.9% from $2.98 trillion to $3.52 trillion. Check the official numbers at the Office of Management and Budget.

• In fiscal 2010 — the first budget under Obama — spending fell 1.8% to $3.46 trillion.

• In fiscal 2011, spending rose 4.3% to $3.60 trillion.

• In fiscal 2012, spending is set to rise 0.7% to $3.63 trillion, according to the Congressional Budget Office’s estimate of the budget that was agreed to last August.

• Finally in fiscal 2013 — the final budget of Obama’s term — spending is scheduled to fall 1.3% to $3.58 trillion. Read the CBO’s latest budget outlook.

Over Obama’s four budget years, federal spending is on track to rise from $3.52 trillion to $3.58 trillion, an annualized increase of just 0.4%.

There has been no huge increase in spending under the current president, despite what you hear.

Why do people think Obama has spent like a drunken sailor? It’s in part because of a fundamental misunderstanding of the federal budget.

What people forget (or never knew) is that the first year of every presidential term starts with a budget approved by the previous administration and Congress. The president only begins to shape the budget in his second year. It takes time to develop a budget and steer it through Congress — especially in these days of congressional gridlock.

The 2009 fiscal year, which Republicans count as part of Obama’s legacy, began four months before Obama moved into the White House. The major spending decisions in the 2009 fiscal year were made by George W. Bush and the previous Congress.

Like a relief pitcher who comes into the game with the bases loaded, Obama came in with a budget in place that called for spending to increase by hundreds of billions of dollars in response to the worst economic and financial calamity in generations.
By no means did Obama try to reverse that spending. Indeed, his budget proposals called for even more spending in subsequent years. But the Congress (mostly Republicans but many Democrats, too) stopped him. If Obama had been a king who could impose his will, perhaps what the Republicans are saying about an Obama spending binge would be accurate.

Yet the actual record doesn’t show a reckless increase in spending. Far from it.

Before Obama had even lifted a finger, the CBO was already projecting that the federal deficit would rise to $1.2 trillion in fiscal 2009. The government actually spent less money in 2009 than it was projected to, but the deficit expanded to $1.4 trillion because revenue from taxes fell much further than expected, due to the weak economy and the emergency tax cuts that were part of the stimulus bill.

The projected deficit for the 2010-13 period has grown from an expected $1.7 trillion in January 2009 to $4.4 trillion today. Lower-than-forecast revenue accounts for 73% of the $2.7 trillion increase in the expected deficit. That’s assuming that the Bush and Obama tax cuts are repealed completely.

When Obama took the oath of office, the $789 billion bank bailout had already been approved. Federal spending on unemployment benefits, food stamps and Medicare was already surging to meet the dire unemployment crisis that was well underway. See the CBO’s January 2009 budget outlook.

Obama is not responsible for that increase, though he is responsible (along with the Congress) for about $140 billion in extra spending in the 2009 fiscal year from the stimulus bill, from the expansion of the children’s health-care program and from other appropriations bills passed in the spring of 2009.

If we attribute that $140 billion in stimulus to Obama and not to Bush, we find that spending under Obama grew by about $200 billion over four years, amounting to a 1.4% annualized increase.

After adjusting for inflation, spending under Obama is falling at a 1.4% annual pace — the first decline in real spending since the early 1970s, when Richard Nixon was retreating from the quagmire in Vietnam.

In per capita terms, real spending will drop by nearly 5% from $11,450 per person in 2009 to $10,900 in 2013 (measured in 2009 dollars).

By the way, real government spending rose 12.3% a year in Hoover’s four years. Now there was a guy who knew how to attack a depression by spending government money!



The writer of that piece doesn't know jack shit, and went off a Nancy Pelosi chart.

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2012/05/24/the_pelosi_chart_that_inspired_rex_nutting

jhale667
07-16-2012, 01:11 PM
So...after you claim the writer "doesn't know jack shit" ...your retort is a MUSH LIMPDICK link. :lmao:

FORD
07-16-2012, 01:30 PM
What's even more amazing is that the OxyMoron actually has this graphic on his own website....

http://www.rushimg.com/cimages//media/multimedia2/spendingkingchart/963296-1-eng-GB/SPendingKingChart.jpg

Mush Limpdick admits that BCE presidents spend more money than alleged "Democrats"??

Must be a good batch of pills this week......

ELVIS
07-16-2012, 01:49 PM
Is that your feelings talking ??


Sent from your moms junky droid...

MUSICMANN
07-16-2012, 02:03 PM
So...after you claim the writer "doesn't know jack shit" ...your retort is a MUSH LIMPDICK link. :lmao:


If you read the article you would have seen that Rex Nutting didn't even know what baseline budgeting was or have any real intelligence about what he actually wrote. He went off a chart that was put out by Pelosi a yr. ago, and thought he had this big story.

The facts are facts.

RUSH: On all of this spending business, I want to read to you a little paragraph here from Jim Pethokoukis, who is among the many who have tackled with numbers and analyzes the claim by Rex Nutting that all of this Obama spending is really Bush's. Pethokoukis pointed out: "[I]f Obama wins another term, spending -- according to his own budget -- would never drop below 22.3% of GDP. If that forecast is right, spending during Obama’s eight years in office would average 23.6% of GDP. That’s higher than any single previous non-war year" in American history.

"Until Barack Obama took office in 2009, the United States had never spent more than 23.5% of GDP, with the exception of the World War II years of 1942-1946." So the facts undercut Rex Nutting every which way possible. It simply isn't possible to say, accurately, that Obama is not a big spender. In fact, this is the Nutting story, the way it opens -- just the way this is written -- is what made me think that something's not right here about this. And I always trust my instincts.

Let me read this to you: "Of all the falsehoods told about President Barack Obama, the biggest whopper is the one about his reckless spending spree." Of all the falsehoods about Barack Obama? Okay, so everybody's lying about President Obama. And of all the lies people are telling about Obama, the biggest one is "his reckless spending spree. As would-be president Mitt Romney tells it: 'I will lead us out of this debt and spending inferno.'

"Almost everyone believes that Obama has presided over a massive increase in federal spending, an 'inferno' of spending that threatens our jobs, our businesses and our children’s future. Even Democrats seem to think it’s true. Government spending under Obama, including his signature stimulus bill, is rising at a 1.4% annualized pace -- slower than at any time in nearly 60 years."

That's the premise.

Well, yeah, you get to $1.4 trillion if you don't count any of Obama's spending in 2009. If you're only gonna count two of Obama's three years and then play some other games, you might get to that number. But then, again, what Nutter does not address here (in addition to misattributing spending to Bush rather than Obama) is the levels of spending. Okay, 1.4% annualized pace? That's 1.4% above what. We already have more debt added during the three years of Obama than all the previous presidents combined.

It's indisputable, undeniable. The MarketWatch piece really is a joke.

FORD
07-16-2012, 03:15 PM
Just to remind the threadjacking Repukes, this thread is supposed to be about Willard Mittens Romney being a serial liar, a serial tax cheater, a serial bully, and in general, pretty much a total piece of shit. Which is probably exactly why the BCE fully endorses him.

And BTW while the right wingers were spinning this thread like a draidel on meth, Repuke spokesman Ed Gillespie has admitted that Mittens was still at Bain Capital until 2002, exactly as his paperwork says he was, but then "retired retroactively" - whatever the fuck that's supposed to mean.

If Mittens gets away with that defense, then serial killers should be able to claim they were merely practicing "retroactive birth control".

FORD
07-16-2012, 03:35 PM
Here's some more interesting news I just heard.....

Apparently McCain was seriously considering Mittens as a running mate in 2008. McCain had already released his own tax records (as every candidate of either party had done since 1968, following a tradition established by - ironically enough- George Romney) so he asked Mittens to do the same.

Romney gave McCain 20 years of of tax records. This is what caused old Grandpa Simpson to pass on the serial liar and turn to Moosealini for a running mate.

So along with being a serial liar, serial tax cheater, serial bully, and serial job killer, we can now also blame Mittens for unleashing Sarah Palin on the world.

Thanks a lot, you Mormon asshole! :mad:

jhale667
07-16-2012, 03:54 PM
Here's some more interesting news I just heard.....

Apparently McCain was seriously considering Mittens as a running mate in 2008. McCain had already released his own tax records (as every candidate of either party had done since 1968, following a tradition established by - ironically enough- George Romney) so he asked Mittens to do the same.

Romney gave McCain 20 years of of tax records. This is what caused old Grandpa Simpson to pass on the serial liar and turn to Moosealini for a running mate.

So along with being a serial liar, serial tax cheater, serial bully, and serial job killer, we can now also blame Mittens for unleashing Sarah Palin on the world.

Thanks a lot, you Mormon asshole! :mad:


I read that too, and it speaks VOLUMES...the only way he would've picked an idiot like Caribou Barbie over Mittens (who for all his multitude of faults, still seems to have a semi-functioning brain stem) is there's something REEEEEEALLY screwed up in WRONGney's tax history.

ELVIS
07-16-2012, 04:07 PM
Everything is wrong with Obama's history...


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MUSICMANN
07-16-2012, 04:15 PM
Just to remind the threadjacking Repukes, this thread is supposed to be about Willard Mittens Romney being a serial liar, a serial tax cheater, a serial bully, and in general, pretty much a total piece of shit. Which is probably exactly why the BCE fully endorses him.

And BTW while the right wingers were spinning this thread like a draidel on meth, Repuke spokesman Ed Gillespie has admitted that Mittens was still at Bain Capital until 2002, exactly as his paperwork says he was, but then "retired retroactively" - whatever the fuck that's supposed to mean.

If Mittens gets away with that defense, then serial killers should be able to claim they were merely practicing "retroactive birth control".



You're a dipshit. Romney was at Bain, but on paper only. He was not actively involved in the day to day dealings that was going on at that time. He was giving his full attention to heading up the Olympics. Who really gives a rat's ass how rich or where this guy has his money. I guess it's cool that Pelosi has all kinds of business that deals with foreign companies. I guess it was also cool that John Kerry was a billionaire as well. You wanna know who is a piece of crap, that's your lover Obama. Just yesterday, he goes out and tells every business owner who stuck their neck out and took a chance on the American dream, you didn't build that. Then, just today, Sen. Patty Murray and the Dems are prepared to let Bush-era tax cuts expire if GOP doesn't allow tax hike for top earners. Talk about the Dems holding the American people hostage. Everyone knows that taxing everyone that makes over 250k a yr for a year, will only match government spending of a total of 8 days. Obama is continuing with this class warfare, and from day one never cared about creating jobs. All he wants is to build and expand welfare to the point that the majority of the country is depending on the government for everything. Anyway you dress it up, Obama is a Socialist who can't run on any of his positive's because he doesn't have any.

jhale667
07-16-2012, 04:42 PM
Not going to repost the whole thing here but there's a bunch of pretty damning quotes from REPUBLICANS about how Mitt's F*ing up by not releasing his tax records...you guys can deny all you want, but your own side is turning on him....

http://samuel-warde.com/2012/07/conservatives-begin-questioning-romneys-motives/

This is a good one from Conservative columnist George Will:

“The cost of not releasing the returns are clear,” noted Will, on ABC’s “This Week.” “Therefore, he must have calculated that there are higher costs in releasing them.”

jhale667
07-16-2012, 04:54 PM
http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h217/jhale667/Thinkaboutit.jpg

MUSICMANN
07-16-2012, 04:58 PM
http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h217/jhale667/Thinkaboutit.jpg

He's already released 2 yrs. of tax returns, the same amount as McCain and Kerry did. There's no reason he has to release every tax return for the past however many yrs. This is a pure Democratic ploy by Obama to take the focus off his four yrs of doing nothing for this Country. let me rephrase that. He will only be releasing 2 yrs of tax returns. I also believe in what his adviser has to say.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/07/romney-adviser-no-matter-how-many-tax-returns-romney-releases-it-wont-be-enough/

jhale667
07-16-2012, 05:06 PM
He's already released 2 yrs. of tax returns, the same amount as McCain and Kerry did. There's no reason he has to release every tax return for the past however many yrs. This is a pure Democratic ploy by Obama to take the focus off his four yrs of doing nothing for this Country. let me rephrase that. He will only be releasing 2 yrs of tax returns. I also believe in what his adviser has to say.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/07/romney-adviser-no-matter-how-many-tax-returns-romney-releases-it-wont-be-enough/


Bullsh*t (again). To be confirmed by the Senate for any position, he'd have to release at least 3, yet for some reason he can't do that. And why, if he gave McCain so much info, can't he do the same here? BECAUSE HE'S HIDING SOMETHING. You're letting your hatred of Obama cloud the fact that this clown is not remotely worthy of the office of President.

baru911
07-16-2012, 05:31 PM
What's even more amazing is that the OxyMoron actually has this graphic on his own website....

http://www.rushimg.com/cimages//media/multimedia2/spendingkingchart/963296-1-eng-GB/SPendingKingChart.jpg

Mush Limpdick admits that BCE presidents spend more money than alleged "Democrats"??

Must be a good batch of pills this week......

Your chat got Four Pinocchios from The Washington Post in truthfulness.

The fact is that to get out of our current situation the following HAS to happen:

1) The economy has to turn around to increase revenue to the Federal Gov't.
2) EVERYONE is going to have to pay more in taxes. That means the poorest of the poor and the richest of the rich.
3) The large entitlement programs, and the military are going to have their budgets slashed and move forward in a much smaller way. I am not talking about small cutbacks.

No one will go through the next 10 years without a HUGE amount of sacrifice. It took all of us to get here and it will take ALL of us to get out of it. It won't matter what side of whatever issue or what party you are in. We ALL are going to have to embrace the suck in a big way.

MUSICMANN
07-16-2012, 05:34 PM
Bullsh*t (again). To be confirmed by the Senate for any position, he'd have to release at least 3, yet for some reason he can't do that. And why, if he gave McCain so much info, can't he do the same here? BECAUSE HE'S HIDING SOMETHING. You're letting your hatred of Obama cloud the fact that this clown is not remotely worthy of the office of President.

Totally false but you keep thinking that. Obama can release every tax return he ever had and it still doesn't help him in any way, shape or form on how he and the demo's have fucked up this economy and how the world perceives us. I would rather be hated and carry a big stick than be loved and be thought of as a pushover paper tiger nation, the same way we were seen in the Clinton yrs. This doesn't change the fact that it is a non issue were Romney has his money or how much he paid in taxes. The issue is about how and where the country is at, with 4 yrs under Obama, which has set this country back 50 yrs. not only on class equality but race relations as well.The hope and change guy has been nothing but a divide and destroy idiot.The thing that gets me about you, is that you stand up and praise Obama and all he does, you must either be, one of those that live off the government and everyone else or a Obama campaign stooge.

ELVIS
07-16-2012, 05:47 PM
I totally agree about the race relations...


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gbranton
07-16-2012, 05:50 PM
I was trying to scroll down on my phone and accidentally thanked the post above, parts of it I like and parts I do not agree with with

But the thing I find utterly fucking hilarious is that Romney doesn't release his tax returns and it's OH SHIT!!! HE'S THE FUCKING DEVIL!!! HE'S HIDING SOMETHING!!! THAT NO GOOD PIECE OF WORLD DESTROYING SHIT!!! But when Obama stalls around about releasing his birth certificate or college transcripts THOSE EXACT SAME PEOPLE tell you that you are are retarded, racist, stupid piece of shit for thinking he's hiding something and to them it is glaringly obvious that there is nothing to see.

Personally, I don't buy into any of the bullshit, rah rah, red team versus blue team theater that is being provided for your amusement and distraction. I think ALL these pieces of shit have things that they hide that they should not be allowed to hide.

jhale667
07-16-2012, 05:58 PM
I totally agree about the race relations...





Of course you do, bigot...

envy_me
07-16-2012, 06:04 PM
I was trying to scroll down on my phone and accidentally thanked the post above, parts of it I like and parts I do not agree with with



There should be an "un-thank"-button.

Nickdfresh
07-16-2012, 06:04 PM
I was trying to scroll down on my phone and accidentally thanked the post above, parts of it I like and parts I do not agree with with

But the thing I find utterly fucking hilarious is that Romney doesn't release his tax returns and it's OH SHIT!!! HE'S THE FUCKING DEVIL!!! HE'S HIDING SOMETHING!!! THAT NO GOOD PIECE OF WORLD DESTROYING SHIT!!! But when Obama stalls around about releasing his birth certificate or college transcripts THOSE EXACT SAME PEOPLE tell you that you are are retarded, racist, stupid piece of shit for thinking he's hiding something and to them it is glaringly obvious that there is nothing to see.

Personally, I don't buy into any of the bullshit, rah rah, red team versus blue team theater that is being provided for your amusement and distraction. I think ALL these pieces of shit have things that they hide that they should not be allowed to hide.

If he didn't have anything to hide, he'd release them. Even his fellow Republicans called for it!

jacksmar
07-16-2012, 06:42 PM
http://www.casescorner.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/Nazi_YourPapersPlease_Sml.JPG

Hmmmmmmmm

FORD
07-16-2012, 07:02 PM
You're a dipshit. Romney was at Bain, but on paper only. He was not actively involved in the day to day dealings that was going on at that time. He was giving his full attention to heading up the Olympics. Who really gives a rat's ass how rich or where this guy has his money.

If his own paperwork lists him as EVERY executive position in the company, then obviously nothing is done at that company without his authorization. He may very well have had a proxy sit in on meetings for him, but they were acting on his authority.. And what is relevant about his money is the fact that he made it by corporate raiding and outsourcing, and then cheated on his taxes. Both of which amount to economic treason. Which disqualifies him from holding any public office.




I guess it's cool that Pelosi has all kinds of business that deals with foreign companies. I guess it was also cool that John Kerry was a billionaire as well. You wanna know who is a piece of crap, that's your lover Obama.

Have you seen my avatar, asshole? And when have you ever seen me defend Judas IsKerryot or Jellyfish Pelosi?



Just yesterday, he goes out and tells every business owner who stuck their neck out and took a chance on the American dream, you didn't build that. Then, just today, Sen. Patty Murray and the Dems are prepared to let Bush-era tax cuts expire if GOP doesn't allow tax hike for top earners. Talk about the Dems holding the American people hostage.

If Patty Murray doesn't follow through with that, she'll lose my vote forever. The Chimp tax "cuts" for rich tax dodgers (like Mittens) were a mistake in the first place, and they should have expired on their original expiration date. They absolutely should never have been extended. They need to be rolled back. So do the Reagan tax "cuts" for rich tax cheats (like Mittens).





Everyone knows that taxing everyone that makes over 250k a yr for a year, will only match government spending of a total of 8 days. Obama is continuing with this class warfare, and from day one never cared about creating jobs. All he wants is to build and expand welfare to the point that the majority of the country is depending on the government for everything. Anyway you dress it up, Obama is a Socialist who can't run on any of his positive's because he doesn't have any.

You still haven't named even ONE socialist thing that Obama has done. And the only class warfare in this country is the one that the Greedy Criminal Fucks of the 1% (like Mittens and the BCE) have been waging against us for the last 30 years. And its goddamn time we fought back.

jacksmar
07-16-2012, 07:45 PM
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_VPXmxeZVJUY/SkI8SKevraI/AAAAAAAAAu8/vWd9qZOgwoc/s400/tax_cheats.jpg

jhale667
07-16-2012, 08:44 PM
Just yesterday, he goes out and tells every business owner who stuck their neck out and took a chance on the American dream, you didn't build that.

Untrue. He said "You didn't do it ALONE."


The issue is about how and where the country is at, with 4 yrs under Obama, which has set this country back 50 yrs. not only on class equality but race relations as well.The hope and change guy has been nothing but a divide and destroy idiot.


The "divide and destroy" has completely been the Republicans, that's fucking crap. The strain on race relations is your heroes disrespecting and saying everything derogatory BUT the N-word about the man. It's Boehner, McConnel and Cantor plotting to obstruct everything from day 1. The state of the country is primarily your side's fault, sorry. Eight years of running it into the fucking ground, and NO help from Republicans trying to drag it back off the cliff for 3 1/2 years. Yeah, it's all his fault. Set the country back 50 years? Please. That's ironic since the Republicans long for a return to the 50s - you should be OK with that, right?

And don't give me that "Democrats had full control" line of shit either - what was it 11 months? Most of which Kennedy was gone, then Weiner, and EVERYTHING needed 60 votes to pass instead of a simple fucking majority? You FAIL. Try again.


The thing that gets me about you, is that you stand up and praise Obama and all he does, you must either be, one of those that live off the government and everyone else or a Obama campaign stooge.


You can go fuck yourself with a rusty chainsaw on this one. Nice failed attempt at projecting a stereotype there, too. I work for a living, always have - don't need or want a handout, never have.
And fuck off with the "praise all he does" lie too - I've been critical of him here repeatedly. He fucked up not doing away with the patriot act, by CAVING to Republican asshats when he shouldn't have, gave up (for the time being) on single-payer healthcare, the DEA is still fucking up... I've said multiple times his term has been imperfect. Unless you're a total fucking idiot you know McCain and Caribou Barbie would not have possibly done any better for the country. We'd be at war with Iran, still fully entrenched in Iraq and Afghanistan, and hundreds of thousands if not millions more jobs would have been lost by the ripple effect of the auto industry failing. You're also a fucking moron if you think Romney, who wants to be Bush III on steriods, will do anything but give tax breaks to the rich and outsource all most every remaining job in the country. The dude's a fucking criminal (it's probably gonna come out he's guilty of not one but two federal felonies) and so is his main contributor, Sheldon Adelson, who's in bed with the Chinese Mob, FFS.



You hate Obama so much you want to hand the country over to felons. Stay classy.




You still haven't named even ONE socialist thing that Obama has done.

That's because they fucking CAN'T.



And the only class warfare in this country is the one that the Greedy Criminal Fucks of the 1% (like Mittens and the BCE) have been waging against us for the last 30 years. And its goddamn time we fought back.


Amen. Their entire strategy revolves around getting dipshits like MusicMann to vote against their own self-interests.

Va Beach VH Fan
07-16-2012, 09:01 PM
There should be an "un-thank"-button.

We used to have a "groan" button, and boy was it used....

jhale667
07-16-2012, 09:06 PM
https://my.barackobama.com/page/-/Blog%202012/800kinfofinal.png

jhale667
07-16-2012, 09:27 PM
http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h217/jhale667/Mittensdoghead.jpg

Nitro Express
07-16-2012, 10:20 PM
You're a dipshit. Romney was at Bain, but on paper only. He was not actively involved in the day to day dealings that was going on at that time. He was giving his full attention to heading up the Olympics. Who really gives a rat's ass how rich or where this guy has his money. I guess it's cool that Pelosi has all kinds of business that deals with foreign companies. I guess it was also cool that John Kerry was a billionaire as well. You wanna know who is a piece of crap, that's your lover Obama. Just yesterday, he goes out and tells every business owner who stuck their neck out and took a chance on the American dream, you didn't build that. Then, just today, Sen. Patty Murray and the Dems are prepared to let Bush-era tax cuts expire if GOP doesn't allow tax hike for top earners. Talk about the Dems holding the American people hostage. Everyone knows that taxing everyone that makes over 250k a yr for a year, will only match government spending of a total of 8 days. Obama is continuing with this class warfare, and from day one never cared about creating jobs. All he wants is to build and expand welfare to the point that the majority of the country is depending on the government for everything. Anyway you dress it up, Obama is a Socialist who can't run on any of his positive's because he doesn't have any.

This is all heading towards one big fucking tax revolt. The problem with the Supreme Court defining the mandate as a tax is that opens the doors for the government to make us buy all sorts of shit. Like forcing us to buy US Treasuries or get taxed. Also, it's taxation without representation because Supreme Court Justices are appointed and serve for life. They are simply to determine whether the case is constitutional or not. They are not to redefine the statute. We have welfare for the rich i.e tax exemptions and bailouts and welfare for the poor. It's guys like me in the middle who pay the price and we are tired of it. The old partisan argument is old anyways. Both sides are guilty. Both parties won't let a decent candidate who serves the people have any chance at winning. They threw off Howard Dean and the stonewalled Ron Paul. Only corporate lackeys count in todays Republican and Democrat parties and as the corruption continues it's going to take us to a very bad place.

Nitro Express
07-16-2012, 10:26 PM
Apparently Mitt went to Dick Cheney's house for dinner when he was here in town. I wonder if they participated in any after dinner ritual child abuse and performed some satanic ceremonies? The Mormon church is full of closet statanists. I'm beginning to think Mitt is one of them.

Seshmeister
07-16-2012, 11:06 PM
Really?

I think that would take too much commitment from him.

ELVIS
07-16-2012, 11:43 PM
Hahaha...


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jhale667
07-17-2012, 12:51 AM
http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h217/jhale667/ZombieRomney.jpg

Mitt Romney’s Candidacy is Turning into The Republican Party’s Worst Nightmare

http://www.politicususa.com/republicans-nervous-mitt-romneys-arrogance-give.html

The hits just keep coming for Mitt Romney. This a another defining moment for the Romney campaign, and shows the fissure between Romney’s business experience and the political realm. But it also shows that Mitt Romney’s financial issues — from Bain to his secret taxes to his hidden off-shore money — make him the poster boy for the 2%. The more Americans learn about how privileged Mitt Romney is, the more aware they’ll be that they are being royally screwed by the privileged. This is a conversation topic that the 2% do not want Americans to be engaged in.

This morning’s discussion on ABC This Week is a strong indicator that even Republicans don’t like the direction Mitt Romney’s campaign is going and can’t support Romney’s arrogance in not releasing his tax returns and information about his offshore accounts.

Matthew Dowd said it was arrogance that allowed Romney to think he could get away with not releasing his returns, and he said if Romney’s tax returns were clean, he would have released them.

“There’s obviously something there, because if there was nothing there, he would say, ‘Have at it.’ So there’s obviously something there that compromises what he said in the past about something.”

Dowd continued, “Many of these politicians think, ‘I can do this. I can get away with this. I don’t need to do this, because I’m going to say something and I don’t have to do this. If he had 20 years of ‘great, clean, everything’s fine,’ it’d all be out there, but it’s arrogance.”

George Will jumped in and said, “The cost of not releasing the returns are clear. Therefore, he must have calculated that there are higher costs in releasing them.” I.e., Romney clearly made a calculated decision that to release his tax returns was more costly than to not release them, which indicates there’s something hidden Romney doesn’t want us to see.

In business, Romney can be King of his castle – but in politics, especially when running for the highest office in the land, Romney can’t play King without consequences. George Will made this point today, saying, “I do not know why, given that Mitt Romney knew the day that McCain lost in 2008 that he was going to run for president again that he didn’t get all of this out and tidy up some of his offshore accounts and all the rest.”

Yes, tidy up that privilege before the American people get a gander, because they wouldn’t like it.

This is a point we’ve been making as well. Romney knew he was going to be running for President; he obviously assumed that he didn’t have to play by the same rules as everyone else. And while Will says there is nothing illegal but simply “impolitic” about Romney’s returns, Will can’t know that for certain until and unless he sees them.

The reason I say this is because here is what Romney is offering us, and only after much pressure: He gave us his 2010 tax returns and he says he will give us 2011 when “they are ready”. If you’ve ever had complicated tax returns, you know all about amending them years later with corrected information from your broker or changes in the business returns. Holdups in filing with complicated returns aren’t unusual, but neither are amended returns. Amended returns adjust something that was inaccurate previously.

I have to question why Romney’s returns aren’t “ready” this year and why it took so long to release his 2011 returns, and if they were amended when he released them or have been amended since he released them, or if he is amending any of his previous returns.

For example, Romney could have amended his 2011 returns by moving a profit to another year (amending it as well) or claiming a loss that wasn’t there previously, thereby reducing his profit or explaining a low tax rate. We have no way of knowing this if he won’t release the returns prior to the one year he has released so far. The most current version, I should add for specificity.

The fact that he will not release them says there is something he doesn’t want us to see. It would have been pretty easy to amend 2011′s returns retroactively before he released them. Perhaps to claim money in offshore accounts or clean up what is not illegal but would certainly bring attention to tax code issues that the wealthy don’t want the 98% of Americans to know about. But all of those assumptions give Romney the benefit of the doubt.

Has Romney earned the benefit of the doubt with his Bain claims clearly demonstrating that he has no problem adjusting things to look good for the situation he finds himself in? He was there, he wasn’t there – he can run for Governor because he was back for business but he wasn’t in business so he’s not responsible.

Republicans are uncomfortable with Romney’s position because it highlights the elitism of the “1%” (actually 2% technically). Romney’s arrogance in his refusal to be transparent with his tax returns endangers the top 2%; it puts them at risk of real discovery.

Republican strategist Mary Matalin was arguing that Americans don’t care about Romney’s tax returns, they care about jobs (no one asked her why Republicans have not proposed one single jobs bill or how Romney’s plan of lowering taxes on the top 2% was going to magically create jobs). What Matalin and the GOP hope you don’t put together is that actually, Mitt Romney’s tax returns hold the secret to why you don’t have a good, secure job with benefits.

Ten years of Mitt Romney’s tax returns and his off-shore accounts would show Americans just how it works for the very elite, but perhaps the most clarity for all would come from Romney releasing his 1999-2003 tax returns. In these returns, we would ostensibly see (provided this money wasn’t funneled to the Cayman’s as some Bain related investments were) the profit Romney made off of leveraged buyouts and the resulting layoffs and outsourcing.

The more scarce good jobs in this country became, the less leverage a worker had. Low demand for workers in turn created a “buyer’s market” for employers, which in turn means less money, security and benefits for the worker. This was going on at the same time as the top 2% were making historical profits.

Romney might just be the catalyst for great change, for he is the poster child for all of the inequities in our tax policy. If he released his tax returns, he would at the very least be making Obama’s argument for him regarding letting the Bush tax cuts for the top 2% expire.

Since Romney’s attitude of arrogance stems from his privileged experience as a “businessman”, he is telling the American people the story of the decline of the middle class over the last 40 years, albeit without meaning to.

It’s time for him to release his most current tax returns for the last ten years, with dated amendments and adjustments, along with his off shore accounts. What I’m saying here is that even when he releases his 2011 returns, we will have no way of knowing if he has amended 2010 while he was getting 2011 ready.

Release the most current versions of the last ten years of tax returns, Mr. Romney. Let the American people see just how it works.

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ELVIS
07-17-2012, 05:52 AM
That's a bunch of bullshit...

Four months from now no one will remember Bain or taxes...


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jhale667
07-17-2012, 08:17 AM
Maybe not, but they'll remember Rmoney's plan is to create 800,00 jobs overseas, and that Sheldon Adleson - the guy who owns him - payed $700,000 to illegally grease a deal in China.

jacksmar
07-17-2012, 08:40 AM
This is wayyyyyyyyyyy beyond the depth of Ubama voters but here's a link anyway.

http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1107175


TARD and j"10 thumbs"hale won't understand a word of this. It requires a download and the ability to be able to comprehend data.

You Ubama voters are really too sub moronic to understand this but check back later with me and I'll explain in a Romper Room vernacular you'll recognize.

jacksmar
07-17-2012, 09:15 AM
This is what you guys can't get because you look for a commie lib "business is evil" position. This is commonly known as "pop journalism":
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204331304577140850713493694.html

What the article does not tell you is what happened before and after those bankruptcies conveniently skirting the truth.

Bain Capital invested in Stage Stores in 1988, when the company was young. Stage went public in 1996 with 9,606 employees. Bain realized $184 million from the investment, then reinvested $23 million for a net payout of $161 million. Employment expanded to 15,700 employees by 1999. The company was hurt by the early 2000 recession and went into chapter 11 bankruptcy in 2000. Employment dropped back to 9,800 in 2001. Subsequently, Stage left chapter 11 and today it employs 13,500 people. So, even at its lowest point, Stage Stores had more employees than when it went public. Today, Stage has roughly 3,900 more employees than it did in 1996.

http://www.stagestores.com/

Common Stock - NYSE: SSI

Va Beach VH Fan
07-17-2012, 09:21 AM
Looks like you're going to hit 1,000 posts here without one of them being about CVH/DLR jacksmar, wow....

ELVIS
07-17-2012, 09:43 AM
But the liberal talking heads say Bain Capital is evil !!

LMAO!


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ELVIS
07-17-2012, 09:49 AM
Sheldon Adleson - the guy who owns him

Adleson owns Romney ??

Dude you gotta get an original thought and stop repeating shit you hear in the media...


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jhale667
07-17-2012, 09:55 AM
Adleson owns Romney ??

Dude you gotta get an original thought and stop repeating shit you hear in the media...






THIS from the asshat that listens to Alex Jones. STFU. Name someone who's contributed more to WRONGney's campaign. Oh wait, you can't.

jhale667
07-17-2012, 11:01 AM
REPORT: Biggest Donor To Romney And GOP Did Business With Chinese Mob


http://thinkprogress.org/security/2012/07/16/525131/adelson-romney-chinese-mob/?mobile=nc

Things are getting awkward for Sheldon Adelson, the casino magnate who pledged to spend a “limitless” amount of money to get Mitt Romney elected. Adelson’s latest woes stem from business practices surrounding his lucrative casino in Macau, the only Chinese city with legalized gambling.

The Macau operation has long been under scrutiny but a new in-depth investigation from ProPublica and PBS focused on allegations of improper, and perhaps in some cases illegal, business dealings by Adelson’s Las Vegas Sands company in China. While focusing on the possibility that Sands violated the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act with a $700,000 payment to a Chinese associate, PBS also released documents that bolstered accusations of business ties between Adelson’s shop and Chinese organized crime figures.

PBS reports that Sands was clear that, in order to drive business from mainland China to their Macau casino, they would need to use “junkets” — trips arranged by private companies to ferry high-stakes gamblers to Macau:

Among the junket companies under scrutiny is a concern that records show was financed by Cheung Chi Tai, a Hong Kong businessman.

Cheung was named in a 1992 U.S. Senate report as a leader of a Chinese organized crime gang, or triad. A casino in Macau owned by Las Vegas Sands granted tens of millions of dollars in credit to a junket backed by Cheung, documents show.

Cheung did not respond to requests for comment.

Another document says that a Las Vegas Sands subsidiary did business with Charles Heung, a well-known Hong Kong film producer who was identified as an office holder in the Sun Yee On triad in the same 1992 Senate report. Heung, who has repeatedly denied any involvement in organized crime, did not return phone calls.

Because Nevada gambling authorities forbid doing any business with organized crime, Sands’s Las Vegas gambling licenses could hang in the balance. (Adelson and his company refused to comment for the PBS story.) But Adelson has other issues with his China operations.

In 2001, Adelson allegedly helped derail House Republican measure opposing Beijing’s Olympic bid due to human rights issues. “The bill will never see the light day, Mr. Mayor. Don’t worry about it,” he reportedly told Beijing’s mayor after phoning then-House Majority Whip Tom Delay. Sands went on to receive its lucrative casino license from China.


Part of Adelson’s Chinese dealings, which came under federal scrutiny in 2011, went through a non-profit called the Adelson Center for U.S.-China Enterprise. According to a WikiLeaks cable flagged by Salon, the association, which was meant to facilitate business between the U.S. and China, was shut down by China after some “missteps” with “funds transfer mechanisms” used by Sands. Unlike competitors, the cable said, Sands lobbied Beijing directly instead of going through Macau authorities. Adelson and Sands deny any wrongdoing related to the federal investigation.

Adelson’s many interests in politics are sometimes business-oriented and, on other issues, purely driven by ideology. Either way, his spending is massive. Adelson pledged to join forces with the Koch brothers to take down President Obama. Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) — a top surrogate for Romney’s campaign — said of Adelson’s Chinese business interests and political giving that “maybe in a round-about way, foreign money is coming into an American campaign, political campaigns.

MUSICMANN
07-17-2012, 11:12 AM
REPORT: Biggest Donor To Romney And GOP Did Business With Chinese Mob


http://thinkprogress.org/security/2012/07/16/525131/adelson-romney-chinese-mob/?mobile=nc

Things are getting awkward for Sheldon Adelson, the casino magnate who pledged to spend a “limitless” amount of money to get Mitt Romney elected. Adelson’s latest woes stem from business practices surrounding his lucrative casino in Macau, the only Chinese city with legalized gambling.

The Macau operation has long been under scrutiny but a new in-depth investigation from ProPublica and PBS focused on allegations of improper, and perhaps in some cases illegal, business dealings by Adelson’s Las Vegas Sands company in China. While focusing on the possibility that Sands violated the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act with a $700,000 payment to a Chinese associate, PBS also released documents that bolstered accusations of business ties between Adelson’s shop and Chinese organized crime figures.

PBS reports that Sands was clear that, in order to drive business from mainland China to their Macau casino, they would need to use “junkets” — trips arranged by private companies to ferry high-stakes gamblers to Macau:

Among the junket companies under scrutiny is a concern that records show was financed by Cheung Chi Tai, a Hong Kong businessman.

Cheung was named in a 1992 U.S. Senate report as a leader of a Chinese organized crime gang, or triad. A casino in Macau owned by Las Vegas Sands granted tens of millions of dollars in credit to a junket backed by Cheung, documents show.

Cheung did not respond to requests for comment.

Another document says that a Las Vegas Sands subsidiary did business with Charles Heung, a well-known Hong Kong film producer who was identified as an office holder in the Sun Yee On triad in the same 1992 Senate report. Heung, who has repeatedly denied any involvement in organized crime, did not return phone calls.

Because Nevada gambling authorities forbid doing any business with organized crime, Sands’s Las Vegas gambling licenses could hang in the balance. (Adelson and his company refused to comment for the PBS story.) But Adelson has other issues with his China operations.

In 2001, Adelson allegedly helped derail House Republican measure opposing Beijing’s Olympic bid due to human rights issues. “The bill will never see the light day, Mr. Mayor. Don’t worry about it,” he reportedly told Beijing’s mayor after phoning then-House Majority Whip Tom Delay. Sands went on to receive its lucrative casino license from China.


Part of Adelson’s Chinese dealings, which came under federal scrutiny in 2011, went through a non-profit called the Adelson Center for U.S.-China Enterprise. According to a WikiLeaks cable flagged by Salon, the association, which was meant to facilitate business between the U.S. and China, was shut down by China after some “missteps” with “funds transfer mechanisms” used by Sands. Unlike competitors, the cable said, Sands lobbied Beijing directly instead of going through Macau authorities. Adelson and Sands deny any wrongdoing related to the federal investigation.

Adelson’s many interests in politics are sometimes business-oriented and, on other issues, purely driven by ideology. Either way, his spending is massive. Adelson pledged to join forces with the Koch brothers to take down President Obama. Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) — a top surrogate for Romney’s campaign — said of Adelson’s Chinese business interests and political giving that “maybe in a round-about way, foreign money is coming into an American campaign, political campaigns.



Once again, if i lived in a glass house i wouldn't throw stones.


http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/obamas_foreign_contributions/

Seshmeister
07-17-2012, 11:21 AM
What if you were ruled by a bunch of fuckers who all lived in glass houses, but you lived in a tent. Would you throw stones then?

jhale667
07-17-2012, 11:25 AM
Once again, if i lived in a glass house i wouldn't throw stones.


http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/obamas_foreign_contributions/


Geez, you go from FAUX links to Islamaphobe Pamela Gellar bullsh*t.... you're approaching ELBOW levels of negative credibility.

ELVIS
07-17-2012, 11:25 AM
LMAO!

:biggrin:


Sent from your moms junky droid...

MUSICMANN
07-17-2012, 11:29 AM
Geez, you go from FAUX links to Islamaphobe Pamela Gellar bullsh*t.... you're approaching ELBOW levels of negative credibility.


Aww, does the truth hurt. Deal with it. If you want to live in some twisted and warped version of a France/USA combination, just fucking pack up your shit and get the fuck out.

ELVIS
07-17-2012, 11:33 AM
Asshale wants the government to take care of the lazy fucks...


Sent from your moms junky droid...

MUSICMANN
07-17-2012, 11:36 AM
Asshale wants the government to take care of the lazy fucks...


Sent from your moms junky droid...



Well, if he's so committed to that way of thinking, he must be one of those lazy fucks.

jhale667
07-17-2012, 11:40 AM
Well, if he's so committed to that way of thinking, he must be one of those lazy fucks.

Riiiiight...where do you work again, fucktard?


Aww, does the truth hurt. Deal with it. If you want to live in some twisted and warped version of a France/USA combination, just fucking pack up your shit and get the fuck out.


Tell you what, you post something that's true and then I can comment whether it "hurts" or not. And you're the one that needs to GTFO.

MUSICMANN
07-17-2012, 11:55 AM
Riiiiight...where do you work again, fucktard?




Tell you what, you post something that's true and then I can comment whether it "hurts" or not. And you're the one that needs to GTFO.



Fuck you lazy whore. I fucking own 3 business's that feeds your ass.

ELVIS
07-17-2012, 12:06 PM
I fucking own 3 business's that feeds your ass.

Oh no!

You must be part of the one percent!

You're destroying America with your greed!

LMAO !!

jhale667
07-17-2012, 12:10 PM
Fuck you lazy whore. I fucking own 3 business's that feeds your ass.


No, you don't do anything for me, so fuck off - I have a job so I can feed myself, bitch. We've been over that, but obviously you either have a reading comprehension issue or your trying to push an idiot agenda like your new butt-buddy.

jacksmar
07-17-2012, 12:17 PM
Looks like you're going to hit 1,000 posts here without one of them being about CVH/DLR jacksmar, wow....

Just put up one on the solo thread.

VA,
I really didn't know my opinion of DLR mattered to you. DLR with VH or solo was better vocally than Plant, a better writer than Bono, and was on par with Elvis Presley as a stage presence but better in a way that only can be described as "Roth".

And back on topic....


..........all of you will go to the polls, will stand there in the polling place and make a decision. I think when you make that decision, it might be well if you would ask yourself, are you better off than you were four years ago? Is it easier for you to go and buy things in the stores than it was four years ago? Is there more or less unemployment in the country than there was four years ago? Is America as respected throughout the world as it was? Do you feel that our security is as safe, that we're as strong as we were four years ago?

jhale667
07-17-2012, 12:43 PM
As usual, Jon Stewart nails it...


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"Nobody cares that Mitt Romney is rich. It’s Romney’s inability to understand the institutional advantage that he gains from the government’s tax code largesse that’s a little offensive to people. Especially considering Romney’s view on anyone else who looks to the government for things like, I don’t know, food and medicine."
- Jon Stewart

MUSICMANN
07-17-2012, 12:47 PM
No, you don't do anything for me, so fuck off - I have a job so I can feed myself, bitch. We've been over that, but obviously you either have a reading comprehension issue or your trying to push an idiot agenda like your new butt-buddy.


No, i feed your dumb ass. You're from a state that has gone broke and needs my tax money to bail your sorry ass out. There's a saying down here, what get's a duck killed. When you figure that out, you will realize that when your part of the problem it's best to shut the fuck up. All you left liberals that have got your own ass's in a sling, shouldn't be talking about anything that has to do with the economy or what is the best way to run this country.

MUSICMANN
07-17-2012, 12:52 PM
As usual, Jon Stewart nails it...


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"Nobody cares that Mitt Romney is rich. It’s Romney’s inability to understand the institutional advantage that he gains from the government’s tax code largesse that’s a little offensive to people. Especially considering Romney’s view on anyone else who looks to the government for things like, I don’t know, food and medicine."
- Jon Stewart


He's an idiot just like you. Instead of creating jobs and educating people on how to become independent and be proud of self worth like Romney want's to do. You follow a Pied Piper off the cliff that wants to grow more dependency from the government. If people are working hard and get ahead they would be able to buy their food and medicine instead of wanting a free handout.

jhale667
07-17-2012, 12:52 PM
No, i feed your dumb ass. You're from a state that has gone broke and needs my tax money to bail your sorry ass out. There's a saying down here, what get's a duck killed. When you figure that out, you will realize that when your part of the problem it's best to shut the fuck up. All you left liberals that have got your own ass's in a sling, shouldn't be talking about anything that has to with the economy or what is the best way to run this country.

Dude, if anyone needs to STFU with the Repuke talking points, it's YOU. WTF does what state I live in have to do with the fact I support myself? Nothing. And you can stop trying to rip on CA with that too, since red states accept more goverment money and benefit from more social programs ("handouts") than blue states overall. Swing and miss, dumbass.

People ARE working hard - but the system's rigged against them, and your stupid ass wants to put one of the architects of the rig in charge. Yeah, that'll work out great.

MUSICMANN
07-17-2012, 12:58 PM
Dude, if anyone needs to STFU with the Repuke talking points, it's YOU. WTF does what state I live in have to do with the fact I support myself? Nothing. And you can stop trying to rip on CA with that too, since red states accept more goverment money and benefit from more social programs ("handouts") than blue states overall. Swing and miss, dumbass.

People ARE working hard - but the system's rigged against them, and your stupid ass wants to put one of the architects of the rig in charge. Yeah, that'll work out great.


You are totally stupid. You have no argument other than let the government take care of everyone and tax the rich to pay for it. You're worthless.

Va Beach VH Fan
07-17-2012, 01:02 PM
Just put up one on the solo thread.

VA,
I really didn't know my opinion of DLR mattered to you. DLR with VH or solo was better vocally than Plant, a better writer than Bono, and was on par with Elvis Presley as a stage presence but better in a way that only can be described as "Roth".

Just found it unusual that you have been coming to a CVH/DLR message board for 8 years just to talk politics....

jhale667
07-17-2012, 01:04 PM
You are totally stupid. You have no argument other than let the government take care of everyone and tax the rich to pay for it. You're worthless.


And you're and blithering idiot, because I have NEVER said that. You're the kind of stupid that can't even be fixed with duct tape. Stop making shit up as you go along and have a nice day, idiot.

chefcraig
07-17-2012, 01:10 PM
I fucking own 3 business's that feeds your ass.

Are they food trucks? You guys absolutely rule! I saw an episode of Diners, Drive Ins and Dives the other night on the FOOD channel that featured one from Vancouver, British Columbia, and man, the stuff this cat was serving was out-of-the-park. Dig this, he offered up what is essentially an awesome seafood chowder served over fucking french fries, of all things.

You can check out the recipe here: BC Seafood Chowder "Poutine" (http://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/bc-seafood-chowder-poutine-recipe/index.html)


<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/f-stops-here/6939681564/" title="Seafood poutine Red Fish Bue Fish by phrase!, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7131/6939681564_63b8f602c9.jpg" width="500" height="331" alt="Seafood poutine Red Fish Bue Fish"></a>

FORD
07-17-2012, 01:21 PM
Looks like you're going to hit 1,000 posts here without one of them being about CVH/DLR jacksmar, wow....

The KKKoch Brothers aren't paying him $6.50/hour to talk about Van Halen :biggrin:

jacksmar
07-17-2012, 01:23 PM
Just found it unusual that you have been coming to a CVH/DLR message board for 8 years just to talk politics....

Actually, that was all I used to want to do here was chat about Roth. I got some great bootleg links long before youtube and went back and listened where I missed something cool Roth did and someone else pointed out. I was here before the board changed. POJO and Sarge made the best points about DLR back then so there wasn't too much to add. Fab shadow, PETE, Wolf etc. Even the crazy lady who thought the site was about her late husband.

DLR had the concept for what VH should be. EVH listened to some assholes and fucked the concept. They're back together but it's not the same. Roth could have led the band into these years with integrity and a catalog of hits and million selling projects.

DLR is actually bigger than the current VH lineup IMHO. The Van Halen's should be lucky they get to stand on the same stage with him.

Anything else?

MUSICMANN
07-17-2012, 01:24 PM
And you're and blithering idiot, because I have NEVER said that. You're the kind of stupid that can't even be fixed with duct tape. Stop making shit up as you go along and have a nice day, idiot.


You didn't have to say it. If you agree with bumbling Obama and his policies, then that's what you believe.

MUSICMANN
07-17-2012, 01:26 PM
Are they food trucks? You guys absolutely rule! I saw an episode of Diners, Drive Ins and Dives the other night on the FOOD channel that featured one from Vancouver, British Columbia, and man, the stuff this cat was serving was out-of-the-park. Dig this, he offered up what is essentially an awesome seafood chowder served over fucking french fries, of all things.

You can check out the recipe here: BC Seafood Chowder "Poutine" (http://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/bc-seafood-chowder-poutine-recipe/index.html)


<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/f-stops-here/6939681564/" title="Seafood poutine Red Fish Bue Fish by phrase!, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7131/6939681564_63b8f602c9.jpg" width="500" height="331" alt="Seafood poutine Red Fish Bue Fish"></a>


No, i don't own food trucks, but wouldn't be a bad investment.

Guitar Shark
07-17-2012, 01:28 PM
Fuck you lazy whore. I fucking own 3 business's that feeds your ass.

I hope they are not education or grammar-based... ;)

Angel
07-17-2012, 01:32 PM
Dig this, he offered up what is essentially an awesome seafood chowder served over fucking french fries, of all things. [/CENTER]

Seafood poutine. We put LOTS of shit on french fries up here. The original is gravy and cheese curds....

Chili cheese fries are good too. :)

ok, back to your arguing now...

FORD
07-17-2012, 01:40 PM
I don't think I'd even heard of "poutine" when I worked at Skippers Fish n Chips back in the 80s and was putting clam chowder on french fries and melting cheese on top of it.

Also didn't think anybody would ever think it was a good enough idea to actually put on the menu :biggrin:

jhale667
07-17-2012, 01:46 PM
You didn't have to say it. If you agree with bumbling Obama and his policies, then that's what you believe.


M'kay, - first of all you don't know what the fuck I believe, you pompous prick, but let's play: then by your OWN idiotic logic, you don't have to say that you're for more tax breaks for the 2%, a return to the deregulation that destroyed this country in the first place, and you're OK with the rest of the remaining jobs in America being outsourced.

ELVIS
07-17-2012, 01:54 PM
We put LOTS of shit on french fries up here.
Chili cheese fries are good too. :)



Sounds like you take good care of yourself...

Va Beach VH Fan
07-17-2012, 01:55 PM
Actually, that was all I used to want to do here was chat about Roth. I got some great bootleg links long before youtube and went back and listened where I missed something cool Roth did and someone else pointed out. I was here before the board changed. POJO and Sarge made the best points about DLR back then so there wasn't too much to add. Fab shadow, PETE, Wolf etc. Even the crazy lady who thought the site was about her late husband.

DLR had the concept for what VH should be. EVH listened to some assholes and fucked the concept. They're back together but it's not the same. Roth could have led the band into these years with integrity and a catalog of hits and million selling projects.

DLR is actually bigger than the current VH lineup IMHO. The Van Halen's should be lucky they get to stand on the same stage with him.

Anything else?

Nope, feel free to jump in the other forums.....

FORD
07-17-2012, 02:01 PM
Fuck you lazy whore. I fucking own 3 business's that feeds your ass.

Yet you have time to post Randtard bullshit talking points, and run the most blatant hijacking of a thread I've ever seen in the history of this board.

BTW, I'm still waiting for ONE example of "socialism" from Obama. And since you obviously love the holy underwear clad serial liar/serial tax cheat/serial job killer/serial bully, then I **KNOW** you ain't about to call his so-called health care plan "socialist". Because that would mean you couldn't support Mittens either.

And if you ain't supporting Mittens, then why the Hell are you continuously hijacking this thread.

hambon4lif
07-17-2012, 02:02 PM
We put LOTS of shit on french fries up here.Including mayonnaise, which is some sick disgusting shit.

No one's really sure which one of you hosers came up with the idea of putting mayonnaise on french fries, but I'm willing to bet that they were either pregnant or high.

MUSICMANN
07-17-2012, 02:04 PM
M'kay, - first of all you don't know what the fuck I believe, you pompous prick, but let's play: then by your OWN idiotic logic, you don't have to say that you're for more tax breaks for the 2%, a return to the deregulation that destroyed this country in the first place, and you're OK with the rest of the remaining jobs in America being outsourced.



First, I'm for everyone working and paying their taxes and having Americans make products for America. All you have to do is look at Obama's record on outsourcing jobs.

http://godfatherpolitics.com/6170/obama-outsourced-jobs-to-brazil-and-to-millions-of-illegal-aliens/

http://motorcitytimes.com/mct/2012/07/obama-outsources-energy-production-to-brazil-while-united-states-has-more-oil-than-saudi-arabia-iraq-iran-combined/

http://www.rightwingnews.com/economy/how-barack-obama-used-taxpayer-dollars-to-outsource-green-energy-jobs/

FORD
07-17-2012, 02:08 PM
http://godfatherpolitics.com/6170/obama-outsourced-jobs-to-brazil-and-to-millions-of-illegal-aliens/

http://motorcitytimes.com/mct/2012/07/obama-outsources-energy-production-to-brazil-while-united-states-has-more-oil-than-saudi-arabia-iraq-iran-combined/

http://www.rightwingnews.com/economy/how-barack-obama-used-taxpayer-dollars-to-outsource-green-energy-jobs/

Do you have a single source from someone who has an IQ larger than their shoe size??

Seriously? "Godfather politics"??? What the fuck is that, Herman Cain's new website??

MUSICMANN
07-17-2012, 02:10 PM
Yet you have time to post Randtard bullshit talking points, and run the most blatant hijacking of a thread I've ever seen in the history of this board.

BTW, I'm still waiting for ONE example of "socialism" from Obama. And since you obviously love the holy underwear clad serial liar/serial tax cheat/serial job killer/serial bully, then I **KNOW** you ain't about to call his so-called health care plan "socialist". Because that would mean you couldn't support Mittens either.

And if you ain't supporting Mittens, then why the Hell are you continuously hijacking this thread.



Here ass hat. Obama has already started with small socialist ideals. If he gets re-elected he will go full blown Socialist/Marxist.

http://www.audacityofhypocrisy.com/obamacrimescom/

MUSICMANN
07-17-2012, 02:11 PM
Do you have a single source from someone who has an IQ larger than their shoe size??

Seriously? "Godfather politics"??? What the fuck is that, Herman Cain's new website??


Doesn't change the fact that facts are facts.

jhale667
07-17-2012, 02:12 PM
Do you have a single source from someone who has an IQ larger than their shoe size??

Seriously? "Godfather politics"??? What the fuck is that, Herman Cain's new website??


:lmao: Seriously....

jhale667
07-17-2012, 02:14 PM
Doesn't change the fact that facts are facts.

And when you actually get around to presenting some, we can discuss them.

ELVIS
07-17-2012, 02:16 PM
He did...

You either ignored them or bashed the source without reading a word, as usual...

FORD
07-17-2012, 02:18 PM
Here ass hat. Obama has already started with small socialist ideals. If he gets re-elected he will go full blown Socialist/Marxist.

http://www.audacityofhypocrisy.com/obamacrimescom/

I didn't ask you to post another stupid fucking Randtard blog page.

AGAIN, I'm asking specifically for ONE SINGLE GODDAMN SOCIALIST/COMMUNIST/MARXIST POLICY THAT HAS BEEN IMPLEMENTED BY PRESIDENT OBAMA.

Because everything I have seen has been pro-capitalism. Sadly, even pro-predatory capitalism. Being a Randtard, you should actually love him.

We all know why you don't, MusicKlann.........

MUSICMANN
07-17-2012, 02:20 PM
He did...

You either ignored them or bashed the source without reading a word, as usual...


He didn't read one of them because the government didn't give him permission to do so and wasn't gonna get something for free if he did.

ELVIS
07-17-2012, 02:21 PM
Being forced to pay into big pharma criminal health insurance is a socialist policy...

FORD
07-17-2012, 02:22 PM
He did...

You either ignored them or bashed the source without reading a word, as usual...

Random nutjobs who worship a serial killer groupie are not vaiid sources.

FORD
07-17-2012, 02:22 PM
Being forced to pay into big pharma criminal health insurance is a socialist policy...

No, that's a fascist policy.

And it's one that was first implemented by serial job killer/serial tax cheater/serial liar/serial bully Willard Mittens Romney.

MUSICMANN
07-17-2012, 02:24 PM
I didn't ask you to post another stupid fucking Randtard blog page.

AGAIN, I'm asking specifically for ONE SINGLE GODDAMN SOCIALIST/COMMUNIST/MARXIST POLICY THAT HAS BEEN IMPLEMENTED BY PRESIDENT OBAMA.

Because everything I have seen has been pro-capitalism. Sadly, even pro-predatory capitalism. Being a Randtard, you should actually love him.

We all know why you don't, MusicKlann.........



Here's a few idiot.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/merrillmatthews/2012/05/10/comparing-obamas-policies-with-french-socialist-hollande/

jhale667
07-17-2012, 02:26 PM
He didn't read one of them because the government didn't give him permission to do so and wasn't gonna get something for free if he did.

Yo Trailer Park - can you get off your sister long enough to stop with the stupid generalizations?







Yes, I know the irony will be lost on Mulletmann.

jacksmar
07-17-2012, 02:29 PM
TARD,
Here's one: Obamacare
It is fascist socialism. 105 Billion dollars hidden.
Your people are the single greatest threat to my country.
http://storage.people.com/people/archive/jpgs/19850624/19850624-750-62.jpg

We all know what's coming if this isn't rejected in 2012.

jhale667
07-17-2012, 02:33 PM
Here's one: Obamacare
It is fascist socialism.

That Mittens was all for, before he was against it...




Your people



:rolleyes:

MUSICMANN
07-17-2012, 02:34 PM
Yo Trailer Park - can you get off your sister long enough to stop with the [I]stupid generalizations[/



Yes, I know the irony will be lost on Mulletmann.


Sure, if you get off your boyfriends stick long enough to admit Obama's policies are killing this country.

jhale667
07-17-2012, 02:36 PM
That'd be a lie - on all counts, unclefucker. His policies are the only thing that's kept the country from completely going to shit after 8 years of W.

FORD
07-17-2012, 02:41 PM
Here's a few idiot.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/merrillmatthews/2012/05/10/comparing-obamas-policies-with-french-socialist-hollande/

Supporting small business is "socialism"??

What fucking planet do these people live on?

jhale667
07-17-2012, 02:44 PM
Supporting small business is "socialism"??

What fucking planet do these people live on?

You'd think since Mulletmann supposedly runs 3 businesses he'd like the idea of supporting small business...but he's going to be a good little Repuke and vote against his own self interests.

FORD
07-17-2012, 02:45 PM
TARD,
Here's one: Obamacare
It is fascist socialism.

No such thing. Fascism is the opposite of socialism. It can't be both. That's about as logical as "fat free butter" or "compassionate conservative".

MUSICMANN
07-17-2012, 02:46 PM
Supporting small business is "socialism"??

What fucking planet do these people live on?


It's called greasing. If small business's take his tax credit, then he is basically getting them to buy into his health care, in which most business's/people don't like.

jacksmar
07-17-2012, 02:48 PM
J 10 thumbs hale,

MR is against it now and the Kenyan Houseboy signed it more accurately. Ubama is betting his next term on Obamacare. Your people are too ignorant to comprehend Obamacare and choosing your own insurance is what separates us from the 3rd world. I will always be able to afford my concierge doctor. Your people........

http://rlv.zcache.com/honk_healthcare_obamacare_mousepad-p144010010759619044envq7_400.jpg










:rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

FORD
07-17-2012, 02:49 PM
It's called greasing. If small business's take his tax credit, then he is basically getting them to buy into his health care, in which most business's/people don't like.

Which is why health care needs to be a national single payer system, and not dependent on any employer, right?

jhale667
07-17-2012, 02:51 PM
It's called greasing. If small business's take his tax credit, then he is basically getting them to buy into his health care, in which most business's/people don't like.


"Greasing" is what Romney's main donor Adelson ILLEGALLY did to get one of his deals with the Chinese Mob done, to the tune of $700,000. And you want his puppet installed as POTUS. That's what this thread is about. Not how you hysterically believe everyone is gay, French-leaning and wants a handout from the government, failboat.

FORD
07-17-2012, 02:51 PM
J 10 thumbs hale,

MR is against it now and the Kenyan Houseboy signed it more accurately. Ubama is betting his next term on Obamacare. Your people are too ignorant to comprehend Obamacare and choosing your own insurance is what separates us from the 3rd world. I will always be able to afford my concierge doctor. Your people........


Concierge doctor??

Yeah right, because the KKKoch Brothers call center in Largo FL has fucking HankMed on speed dial :biggrin:

jhale667
07-17-2012, 02:53 PM
J 10 thumbs hale,



What's that, Kiss-Kombo? Hack. :lol:


MY people have better health insurance (and job benefits) than you do. STFU.

MUSICMANN
07-17-2012, 02:54 PM
Which is why health care needs to be a national single payer system, and not dependent on any employer, right?


That's a Rocky Anderson policy not a Demo or Repub one.

MUSICMANN
07-17-2012, 03:01 PM
"Greasing" is what Romney's main donor Adelson ILLEGALLY did to get one of his deals with the Chinese Mob done, to the tune of $700,000. And you want his puppet installed as POTUS. That's what this thread is about. Not how you hysterically believe everyone is gay, French-leaning and wants a handout from the government, failboat.


And your point being. I also gave prime examples of Obama doing the same shit. Both of them are politicians and both receive their backing from all over. The thing is, Obama and his policies are way more left and dangerous to this country than what i believe Romney's could ever be. The state of the economy, the world view on us now that he has been president for 4 yrs. with Iran being more emboldened and Russia basically telling us to fuck off is a strong telling sign that we are up shit creek without any sort of paddle.

FORD
07-17-2012, 03:05 PM
That's a Rocky Anderson policy not a Demo or Repub one.

Exactly. It's also the best policy for America.

Forget the "socializing medicine" bullshit rhetoric. Just look at Germany and Japan. Two countries devastated after World War II (deservedly so, since it was their fault)

Both came back strong, and have economically kicked the US's ass in many areas, most notably in the automotive industry. Why is that?

Because the rebuilding of Germany and Japan after the war included national health care plans. President Truman also tried to implement such a plan here, but was blocked by the "do nothing Republican congress". Toyota, Honda, Mercedes, and Volkswagen aren't paying out millions for employee health care plans. They don't have to. Which allows them to compete better.

Yeah there's some other stuff involved, tariffs, trade policies and what not. But this thread's been hijacked enough as it is, so let's not get into that. Point here is that if you claim to be a business owner, and are pro business, then shouldn't you be in favor of a policy that takes health care coverage off the plate of "shit a small business owner needs to worry about"?

ELVIS
07-17-2012, 03:14 PM
The federal government has no business making people pay into any healthcare system, especially big pharma that kills thousands of people per year and nobody goes to jail or gets into any trouble...

ELVIS
07-17-2012, 03:15 PM
They see this as a huge revenue source and nothing more...

FORD
07-17-2012, 03:22 PM
The federal government has no business making people pay into any healthcare system, especially big pharma that kills thousands of people per year and nobody goes to jail or gets into any trouble...

Big pharma is out of control, but the criminal pharmaceutical industry and the criminal insurance industry are two separate issues. The criminal insurance industry can be eliminated fairly easily, by implementing a Medicare for all single payer system.

Unlike the insurance industry, the pharmaceutical industry does actually produce products, and some of them actually work, so it doesn't need to be eliminated. Just regulated a whole hell of a lot better. With the regulators NOT coming from the pharma companies. But this is entirely another subject, and not related to Willard Mittens Romney being a serial liar/tax cheat/job killer/bully.

FORD
07-17-2012, 03:24 PM
They see this as a huge revenue source and nothing more...

Maybe if people like Willard Mittens Romney paid their fair share of taxes, they wouldn't need a new revenue source?

ELVIS
07-17-2012, 03:27 PM
How much is fair ??

jacksmar
07-17-2012, 03:32 PM
What's that, Kiss-Kombo? Hack. :lol:


MY people have better health insurance (and job benefits) than you do. STFU.

Unless there's a new prez willing to shut down the goverment to repeal this law, I'll be paying for your people.

BTW j 10 thumbs hale, have you been in a grocery line where a yackety girl purchases a Mountain Dew while yacking about her Facebook status on her cell phone? She pulled our her EBT card to pay and seemed pretty upset when I asked if I could have a sip. I had to inform her that everyone around her was paying for the drink. Typically, she started swearing and had her swearing tantrum all the way out the door. It didn't cross her mind someone else was paying for the drink. She's a lot like you and TARD. She was definitely one of your people.

As for your insurance,

http://www.wishtv.com/dpp/health/aetna-latest-to-pull-out-of-indiana-individual-health-insurance-policy-market

http://denver.cbslocal.com/2011/02/01/aetna-pulls-out-of-individual-policy-market-in-colorado/

You live in the worst state in the nation financially. We will have to pick up your tab and healthcare at some point. You won't mind sharing some of your doctor maintenance visits with others will you?

SunisinuS
07-17-2012, 03:37 PM
Bain Damge:

http://www.thedailyshow.com/full-episodes/mon-july-16-2012-louis-c-k-

Sums it all up very well. If any Right Winger can watch the first segment all the way through...Gold Star!

Thanks Jon!

FORD
07-17-2012, 03:37 PM
How much is fair ??

Well, if you look at when this country was doing the best economically (after WWII up until 1981) then it's obvious that not only the Chimp tax "cuts" for the tax dodging rich need to go, but also the Reagan tax "cuts" for the tax dodging rich.

Also, the loopholes need to go, and any money stashed in the Caymans or Switzerland, or anywhere else to avoid taxes needs to be seized under the "Patriot Act". As long as that stupid fascist law is on the books, it might as well be used for something positive, like reclaiming money these economic terrorists stole from the American people.

I actually think we need to go back to the Eisenhower tax rates, at least for a short time, in the name of a national emergency, and then maybe once the infrastructure is repaired and everyone who is capable of working has a living wage job, we can think about reinstating the JFK tax cut. After all, the country seemed to survive that one, the first time. But all the post 1980 enabling of the rich needs to be rolled back permanently, because it has destroyed this country.

FORD
07-17-2012, 03:39 PM
Bain Damge:

http://www.thedailyshow.com/full-episodes/mon-july-16-2012-louis-c-k-

Sums it all up very well.

Thanks Jon!

The only good thing about these ridiculous three week breaks that Jon & Steven take, is that they always come back strong. :biggrin:

FORD
07-17-2012, 03:50 PM
And to refocus this thread back on the serial liar/bully/jobkiller/tax cheat, Willard Mittens Romney.....

Hearing an interesting theory on the radio today......

Suppose Willard's reluctance to release his tax returns isn't just about tax avoidance, but also about him avoiding his own personal obligations to the LDS church. The Mormons are very strict about a mandatory 10% "tithing" to the church. Mittens has actually claimed to tithe 16%.

That's all well and good, unless he's lying about what his income is. Which means he's not only cheating on his taxes, but he's also stealing from Elohim, his Heavenly Father!!

And if word of that got around, well, a lot of Mittens' Mormon base might just be a tad upset about that........

jhale667
07-17-2012, 03:52 PM
Unless there's a new prez willing to shut down the goverment to repeal this law, I'll be paying for your people.

Public support for the ACA is growing daily, so unless someone's gonna propose something better - which YOUR people aren't, bad idea. Even your stupid ass (if you have a job, that is) might be about to get a rebate check from it too. As for the costs, as stated previously, everyone who can pay should, and if there was (more) reform - or a single-payer system - individual costs would go down further.


BTW jhale, have you been in a grocery line where a yackety girl purchases a Mountain Dew while yacking about her Facebook status on her cell phone? She pulled our her EBT card...blah blah

Nope, I've actually never personally seen anyone pay for anything with an EBT card, sorry. I do run into movie and TV stars at the local supermarket regularly, however...perhaps it's my neighborhood...? :biggrin:


As for your insurance

Not through Aetna. Not that what's going on in Indiana or Colorado is relevant either when you're about to cry about CA in the next sentence.


[QUOTE}You live in the worst state in the nation financially. We will have to pick up your tab and healthcare at some point. You won't mind sharing some of your doctor maintenance visits with others will you?[/QUOTE]


"Worst" state - and yet still everyone wishes they were here... Since I'm insured through my (global corporation) employer, no, you won't, stupid. More likely I'll be paying for yours, deadbeat.

MUSICMANN
07-17-2012, 03:54 PM
Well, if you look at when this country was doing the best economically (after WWII up until 1981) then it's obvious that not only the Chimp tax "cuts" for the tax dodging rich need to go, but also the Reagan tax "cuts" for the tax dodging rich.

Also, the loopholes need to go, and any money stashed in the Caymans or Switzerland, or anywhere else to avoid taxes needs to be seized under the "Patriot Act". As long as that stupid fascist law is on the books, it might as well be used for something positive, like reclaiming money these economic terrorists stole from the American people.

I actually think we need to go back to the Eisenhower tax rates, at least for a short time, in the name of a national emergency, and then maybe once the infrastructure is repaired and everyone who is capable of working has a living wage job, we can think about reinstating the JFK tax cut. After all, the country seemed to survive that one, the first time. But all the post 1980 enabling of the rich needs to be rolled back permanently, because it has destroyed this country.



It really comes down to government spending and those who can work but choose not to because the welfare system is broken. If the top 2% pays higher taxes for a solid yr. it would only cover the cost that the government spends for 8 days only. 250k is not even rich anymore, just upper middle class. Every action has a reaction. If our government, those that we elect and work for us can't get their shit straight, then we need to throw their ass out on the street.

jhale667
07-17-2012, 03:54 PM
And to refocus this thread back on the serial liar/bully/jobkiller/tax cheat, Willard Mittens Romney.....

Hearing an interesting theory on the radio today......

Suppose Willard's reluctance to release his tax returns isn't just about tax avoidance, but also about him avoiding his own personal obligations to the LDS church. The Mormons are very strict about a mandatory 10% "tithing" to the church. Mittens has actually claimed to tithe 16%.

That's all well and good, unless he's lying about what his income is. Which means he's not only cheating on his taxes, but he's also stealing from Elohim, his Heavenly Father!!

And if word of that got around, well, a lot of Mittens' Mormon base might just be a tad upset about that........


There's SOMETHING in his records that's so bad McCain picked Caribou Barbie instead....so it has to be pretty bad.

jhale667
07-17-2012, 04:03 PM
http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h217/jhale667/Palinwasbetter.jpg

MUSICMANN
07-17-2012, 04:12 PM
There's SOMETHING in his records that's so bad McCain picked Caribou Barbie instead....so it has to be pretty bad.



You guys are chasing ghost's. Some Presidents release more and some less. If one release's 10 yrs. worth does that mean the next president who released only 3 is hiding something. I don't think so and we all know the reason why this is even an issue. Obama has no record to run on and will do anything to divert the attention away from that.

http://www.taxhistory.org/www/website.nsf/Web/PresidentialTaxReturns/

ELVIS
07-17-2012, 04:30 PM
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ELVIS
07-17-2012, 04:31 PM
My bad, my phone is haunted...

jacksmar
07-17-2012, 04:31 PM
"so unless someone's gonna propose something better"

Nothing.
No welfare, no SS, no medicare, no medcaid, no government subsidies, no national parks, no Obamacare.

Nothing for three years. Get the books straight and pay off debts. Game over.

Don't any "movie stars" otherwise known as make believe. Do know a few well to do wrestlers that live around me.

gbranton
07-17-2012, 04:34 PM
Including mayonnaise, which is some sick disgusting shit.

No one's really sure which one of you hosers came up with the idea of putting mayonnaise on french fries, but I'm willing to bet that they were either pregnant or high.

Mayonnaise is awesome. Besides air conditioning and hot showers, I think that is the one thing I will miss the most when the zombie apocolypse occours.

jhale667
07-17-2012, 04:34 PM
"No record to run on"...you are the new king of BS Repuke talking point regurgitation.

If you could put your hatred of Obama aside for a moment - don't you even find it slightly odd that the guy who's dad set the stardard for releasing tax docs is being seriously shifty about his own? And gee, why were his fellow repub opponents asking the same questions, because THEY "didn't have records to run on"??

ELVIS
07-17-2012, 04:38 PM
Romney's taxes are a non-issue...

MUSICMANN
07-17-2012, 04:41 PM
"No record to run on"...you are the new king of BS Repuke talking point regurgitation.

If you could put your hatred of Obama aside for a moment - don't you even find it slightly odd that the guy who's dad set the stardard for releasing tax docs is being seriously shifty about his own? And gee, why were his fellow repub opponents asking the same questions, because THEY "didn't have records to run on"??


Are you blind. Romney's tax records for the last 2 yrs. are right in front of you if you just looked and stopped trying to be an ass. The guy paid over 6 million dollars in taxes in the last 2 yrs. And yes, those other guys weren't the President of the United States and didn't bring this country to the state of fail that we are in right now.

jhale667
07-17-2012, 04:52 PM
Are you blind. Romney's tax records for the last 2 yrs. are right in front of you if you just looked and stopped trying to be an ass. The guy paid over 6 million dollars in taxes in the last 2 yrs. And yes, those other guys weren't the President of the United States and didn't bring this country to the state of fail that we are in right now.

Nor did Obama bring us to the state of fail - that was all W. whether you want to admit it or not. Facts don't lie, and the FACT is most of the damage (the COB, every reputable source agrees) was done from 2000-2008.
2 whole years, whoopee. His father would be ashamed. I still want to know what McCain saw that DQ'd Rmoney.


And for the record, the only one being an ass here is you dude.

ELVIS
07-17-2012, 05:05 PM
Yeah, you're an angel...

MUSICMANN
07-17-2012, 05:08 PM
Nor did Obama bring us to the state of fail - that was all W. whether you want to admit it or not. Facts don't lie, and the FACT is most of the damage (the COB, every reputable source agrees) was done from 2000-2008.
2 whole years, whoopee. His father would be ashamed. I still want to know what McCain saw that DQ'd Rmoney.


And for the record, the only one being an ass here is you dude.


I believe that there's a lot of blame to go around not just Bush. The fact is, Obama has done nothing to promote or even exercise any policy to get the country back on track in his 4 yrs. He has very radical ideals that goes against many of the things that would get this country turned around in a positive direction.

http://www.factcheck.org/2008/10/who-caused-the-economic-crisis/

ELVIS
07-17-2012, 05:09 PM
That's 100% true...

MUSICMANN
07-17-2012, 05:15 PM
That's 100% true...

Which by the way i forgot to add, that Obama himself said, if he didn't turn the economy around he should be held accountable and only be a 1 term president.

http://youtu.be/XBsaF1kfv2I

http://youtu.be/W0AOZ38UNMw

Nickdfresh
07-17-2012, 05:25 PM
Which by the way i forgot to add, that Obama himself said, if he didn't turn the economy around he should be held accountable and only be a 1 term president.

http://youtu.be/XBsaF1kfv2I

http://youtu.be/W0AOZ38UNMw

He did turn it around, it's growing and we're in a recovery...

jhale667
07-17-2012, 05:28 PM
Which by the way i forgot to add, that Obama himself said, if he didn't turn the economy around he should be held accountable and only be a 1 term president.

http://youtu.be/XBsaF1kfv2I

http://youtu.be/W0AOZ38UNMw


Everyone's familiar with that quote, and the FACT is the economy IS improving, slowly but surely (26 months of continous job growth and counting - fact), so there goes that argument. The election is about do you let him continue, or do we go for Rmoney and go backwards to an even worse version of the policies that got us in this mess in the first place. Doesn't sound like a good idea to me no matter how much you hate Obama.

MUSICMANN
07-17-2012, 05:38 PM
Everyone's familiar with that quote, and the FACT is the economy IS improving, slowly but surely (26 months of continous job growth and counting - fact), so there goes that argument. The election is about do you let him continue, or do we go for Rmoney and go backwards to an even worse version of the policies that got us in this mess in the first place. Doesn't sound like a good idea to me no matter how much you hate Obama.


No, the argument is still relative to the situation. The economy is hardly growing at all and the outlook is bleak at best. This is under Obama's watch. He is the captain of the ship and he is responsible and be held accountable. Or he can continue to do what he does best and not take the blame for anything and jump ship first.

http://www.denverpost.com/business/ci_20967018/u-s-economy-growing-too-slowly-cut-unemployment

ELVIS
07-17-2012, 05:38 PM
Why should a conservative vote for Obama ??

gbranton
07-17-2012, 05:43 PM
Why should a conservative vote for Obama ??

Why would a CONSERVATIVE vote for either one?

ELVIS
07-17-2012, 06:00 PM
I'm just asking...

I'm sure as hell not voting for either one...

FORD
07-17-2012, 06:23 PM
"so unless someone's gonna propose something better"

Nothing.
No welfare, no SS, no medicare, no medcaid, no government subsidies, no national parks, no Obamacare.

Nothing for three years. Get the books straight and pay off debts. Game over.

http://www.traemcneely.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/wpid-318573_322488387765058_100000116991214_1451115_179 2988135_n.jpg

FORD
07-17-2012, 06:30 PM
That's 100% true...

No it isn't.

The reason the economy hasn't recovered under Obama is that he has rejected ideals that Randtards like Musicmann would consider "radical".

Namely, the ideals that saved this country from Wall Street Criminals & the BCE the last time they tried to destroy it, in the 1930s.

If Obama made a speech like this one, and then acted on it, he would win in a landslide in November, and I'd campaign harder for him than I have any other fucking candidate in my life....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9yoZHs6PsU

ELVIS
07-17-2012, 06:32 PM
A speech won't save Obama...

FORD
07-17-2012, 06:35 PM
Why should a conservative vote for Obama ??

Because 95% of what he's done, so far, is to the right of Richard Nixon. Which means he IS a conservative.

FORD
07-17-2012, 06:37 PM
A speech won't save Obama...

As I said, if he ACTED on it. Obama's made lots of great speeches. Problem is, unlike FDR he hasn't followed them up with action :(

Which is why I would rather have Rocky Anderson as President.

jacksmar
07-17-2012, 06:39 PM
http://www.politifake.org/image/political/0912/freedom-second-amendment-to-the-united-states-constitution-political-poster-1261483580.jpg

Guitar Shark
07-17-2012, 06:44 PM
"so unless someone's gonna propose something better"

Nothing.
No welfare, no SS, no medicare, no medcaid, no government subsidies, no national parks, no Obamacare.

Nothing for three years. Get the books straight and pay off debts. Game over.


And what are your proposals for defense spending? Crime prevention? Prisons? How much can we cut those?

jacksmar
07-17-2012, 06:50 PM
Guitar Shark,

I would use the Murray book "Losing Ground: American Social Policy" as a reference guide and "In Our Hands: A Plan To Replace The Welfare State" as a blueprint.

Your questions are always on the level. I appreciate that.
Thanks

ELVIS
07-17-2012, 06:53 PM
Replace the welfare state ??

What will the people do ??

LMAO!

Guitar Shark
07-17-2012, 07:02 PM
Replace the welfare state ??

What will the people do ??

LMAO!

You might have to find a trailermate to defray some of your rent costs.

ELVIS
07-17-2012, 07:24 PM
My trailer is for camping...

FORD
07-17-2012, 07:33 PM
Guitar Shark,

I would use the Murray book "Losing Ground: American Social Policy" as a reference guide and "In Our Hands: A Plan To Replace The Welfare State" as a blueprint.

Your questions are always on the level. I appreciate that.
Thanks

A Libertarian Randtard cross burner (literally) who was one of the authors of the racist Bell Curve, and now works for the Likud Israel front "American Enterprise Institute"??

Yeah, there's a great source of information

ELVIS
07-17-2012, 07:54 PM
Bash the source...

Is there some liberal play book that teaches that skill ??

jacksmar
07-17-2012, 07:57 PM
TARD,
You've never read The Bell Curve.

gbranton
07-17-2012, 08:04 PM
Bash the source...

Is there some liberal play book that teaches that skill ??

Must be. It's the basis for 97% of their arguments.

I'm waiting to hear what was wrong with the dude who wrote The Bell Curve. I'm sure he's a racist or a drug addict or bought and paid for by the Bush family............or is it the Busch family? I'm not sure.

gbranton
07-17-2012, 08:16 PM
Bash the source...

Is there some liberal play book that teaches that skill ??

It's all in Saul Alinsky's "Rules For Radicals". Alinsky was considered the father of community organizers and a big influence on our current President.

Nickdfresh
07-17-2012, 08:25 PM
Being forced to pay into big pharma criminal health insurance is a socialist policy...

Actually, being forced to pay the gov't would be a socialist policy...

Nickdfresh
07-17-2012, 08:28 PM
TARD,
Here's one: Obamacare
It is fascist socialism. 105 Billion dollars hidden.
Your people are the single greatest threat to my country.
http://storage.people.com/people/archive/jpgs/19850624/19850624-750-62.jpg

We all know what's coming if this isn't rejected in 2012.


"Your country?" If you're such a 'patriot,' then why do you piss yourself about having to pay taxes once in a while? You don't mind overpaying for a military that spends 10X more than all its next ten potential enemies combined. Who the fuck ever gave you the right to be a sanctimonious, martyrdom cunt?

Nickdfresh
07-17-2012, 08:30 PM
Sure, if you get off your boyfriends stick long enough to admit Obama's policies are killing this country.

Which ones? specifically...

Nickdfresh
07-17-2012, 08:33 PM
The federal government has no business making people pay into any healthcare system, especially big pharma that kills thousands of people per year and nobody goes to jail or gets into any trouble...

What about all of the people paying OUT of the healthcare system driving up costs massively and disproportionately? What's your answer for that?

ELVIS
07-17-2012, 08:34 PM
Actually, being forced to pay the gov't would be a socialist policy...

Exactly!

Federal taxation of wages is constitutionally illegal but you liberals want to enforce it even more and add a health tax on top of it...

Nickdfresh
07-17-2012, 08:38 PM
Mayonnaise is awesome. Besides air conditioning and hot showers, I think that is the one thing I will miss the most when the zombie apocolypse occours.

But mayonnaise without air conditioning and in a hot shower is not awesome... :019:

Nickdfresh
07-17-2012, 08:39 PM
Exactly!

Federal taxation of wages is constitutionally illegal but you liberals want to enforce it even more and add a health tax on top of it...

What part of the Constitution prohibits that? "You liberals?" Most conservatives don't even believe that nutty bullshit...

Nickdfresh
07-17-2012, 08:40 PM
Why should a conservative vote for Obama ??

He basically IS an old, Eisenhower style conservative...

ELVIS
07-17-2012, 08:48 PM
Wrong...

gbranton
07-17-2012, 08:50 PM
But mayonnaise without air conditioning and in a hot shower is not awesome... :019:

True that, it would fuck up a perfectly good sammie.

Nickdfresh
07-17-2012, 08:51 PM
Wrong...

I'm still waiting for the part of the Constitution which prohibits the U.S. gov't from taxing your freeloading, cheap ass....

FORD
07-17-2012, 08:58 PM
Wrong...

Yeah.... Ike was more Liberal. He hated the Military Industrial Complex and built infrastructure.

jacksmar
07-17-2012, 09:14 PM
Nick just hates to be left out.

Obamacare is socialism. You can't get past that.

ObamaCare Medical Device Manufacturing Tax, ObamaCare High Medical Bills Tax, ObamaCare Flexible Spending Account Cap, ObamaCare Surtax on Investment Income, ObamaCare Medicare Payroll Tax increase all coming Jan 1 2013.

Nick didn't read the bill either. The commie lib left are are caught in their hubris. Too funny.

gbranton
07-17-2012, 09:17 PM
Obamacare is socialism. You can't get past that.

And what is Romneycare?

http://ivn.us/2012/07/17/100-ways-mitt-romney-is-just-like-barack-obama/

ELVIS
07-17-2012, 09:18 PM
A state system...

FORD
07-17-2012, 09:36 PM
How the fuck is enabling corporatism possibly considered "socialism".

Both Marx and Mussolini are doing cartwheels in their graves over that contradiction.

Nickdfresh
07-18-2012, 08:10 AM
Nick just hates to be left out.

Obamacare is socialism. You can't get past that.

Describe specifically how...


ObamaCare Medical Device Manufacturing Tax, ObamaCare High Medical Bills Tax, ObamaCare Flexible Spending Account Cap, ObamaCare Surtax on Investment Income, ObamaCare Medicare Payroll Tax increase all coming Jan 1 2013.

Nick didn't read the bill either. The commie lib left are are caught in their hubris. Too funny.

Did you read the bill in pop-up form?