Two Dead, 9 Wounded at Empire State Building

[DLR Bridge]

Ok, this is just office buzz still so I don't know the full story, but apparently, someone who got canned yesterday went back and took out the guy who canned him an 7 others who just so happened to be there before a cop took him out with one to the dome.

If someone can post the official news on this BS here, I'd appreciate it. Thanks.

[vandeleur]

Just been on uk news 2 dead and more injured in the gun fight

[DLR Bridge]

Oh, 9 shot then. Thanks. Craziness.

Can someone edit my title to just Shooting at...

[FORD]

2 killed, 9 injured in shooting near Empire State Building

Gloria Walker describes witnessing the shooting at the Empire State Building to WNBC: "It was pandemonium."
By Andrew Mach, Shimon Prokupecz and Jonathan Dienst, NBC News

Two people were killed and nine injured in a shooting incident Friday morning outside the Empire State Building by a disgruntled ex-employee of a nearby business, officials said.

The suspected gunman, Jeffrey Johnson, 53, who was laid off a year ago, approached a former co-worker on the street and shot him three times, killing him, NYPD Commissioner Raymond Kelly said.

A construction worker who witnessed the incident followed Johnson as he walked away, Kelly said. The construction worker alerted police, who confronted Johnson. He turned his .45-caliber pistol on the officers, and was killed as they opened fire, Kelly said.

Some of those injured in the incident may have been hit by police bullets, he said, adding that the nine injured are expected to survive.

Kelly said Johnson was a designer of women's accessories at Hazan Imports until he was laid-off in a downsizing sometime last year.

Witnesses described a chaotic scene Friday morning on streets crowded with tourists and commuters alike.

WNBC provides coverage of a mass shooting near the Empire State Building in New York City.

"I heard pop, pop, pop, pop, and I ran back into my offices,” Gloria Walker, a witness, told NBC News. "I ran, I ran, I ran."

The FDNY told NBC News they responded to a call about the shooting at Fifth Avenue and 34th Street at 9:07 a.m. Friday and arrived at 9:13 a.m.

[FORD]

So in other words, the two killed were the gunman and the guy he targeted. And everyone else was shot by the cops?

[Va Beach VH Fan]

Yay guns !!!

[katina]

http://edition.cnn.com/2012/08/24/justice/new-york-empire-state/?hpt=hp_t3

New York (CNN) -- A shooting and gunbattle left two people dead and at least nine others wounded in front of the Empire State Building Friday, authorities said.
The shooter was one of the two killed, according to investigators. They identified him as Jeffrey Johnson, 56, who was laid off last year and apparently killed a former co-worker near the building, shooting the 41-year-old victim in the head.
Clad in a business suit and carrying a briefcase, police say the gunman apparently had a longstanding dispute with the victim over allegations of harassment in the work place.
A construction worker followed the gunman after the initial shots and alerted officers. The suspect then fired on police and they returned fire, killing him, said Police Commissioner Ray Kelly.
Two police officers are being treated at a nearby hospital, though all injuries are not considered life threatening, said Mayor Michael Bloomberg.
Some of the victims may have been hit by shots fired by police officers, Bloomberg said.
Witnesses recount chaotic, unsettling scene at Empire State shooting
Empire State shooting a 'surreal scene'
Johnson was a Manhattan resident and had worked as a designer of women's accessories at Hazan Imports.
He used a .45-caliber semi-automatic handgun and he was also carrying additional ammunition in his brief case, police said.
Witnesses said police shot the man at least three times.
"It's just a crazy scene here," said Rebecca Fox, who works across the street from the famous skyscraper. She said she had been getting coffee with her headphones on when she saw people running.
Fox said she saw a woman who had been shot near a local brewery, as well as blood splattered on the sidewalk.
One witness -- 22-year-old Max Kaplan -- said he heard at least nine shots and saw ambulances race to the scene.
"We're all very shaken up at the office," he said.
Aaron Herman, a CNN iReporter, painted a portrait of confusion.
"It was a little chaotic, police had barricaded the area and I saw one woman who was a victim, I think she had been grazed," he said. "Some said they heard around three 'pops' and ran into nearby local stores to be safe."
The White House said top aides told President Barack Obama about the shooting around 9:30 a.m. The shooting does not appear to be linked to terrorism, authorities said.
Local and federal authorities who converged on the building around 9 a.m. closed several streets around 5th Avenue and 34th Street, snarling traffic in the heart of Manhattan.
Shortly after the incident, Manhattan's Bellevue Medical Center reported that it was treating six victims suffering from gunshot wounds, who were at the Empire State Building Friday. All the injuries were not life threatening, according to hospital spokeswoman Alice Ramos.
The Empire State Building is one of the most famous skyscrapers in the world and one of New York City's best-known tourist attractions.
Each year, about 4 million people visit the building's two observation decks. At more than 1,453 feet tall, the landmark building reaches more than a quarter-mile into the sky.
The area typically has a large security presence.
"There's always a focus and concentration on the building," said retired police officer Lou Palumbo
"That building gets special attention."
The Empire State Building Company said in a statement Friday that "the building is fully operational at this time," and that police are investigating the incident.
CNN's Rose Arce, Poppy Harlow, Mark Norman, Rob Frehse, Leora Kapelus and Pauline Kim contributed to this report

[Angel]

How's that right to bear arms working out for you USA?

[PETE'S BROTHER]

How's that right to bear arms working out for you USA?

you have scarier cannibals

[envy_me]

you have scarier cannibals

Name one cannibal that can eat one person and snack at 9 other people in a matter of minutes.

[PETE'S BROTHER]

Name one cannibal that can eat one person and snack at 9 other people in a matter of minutes.

froderick

[ZahZoo]

How's that right to bear arms working out for you USA?

I did a little reading... appears Canada's gun laws aren't all that restrictive beyond the every gun must be registered aspect. So I wouldn't exactly say from where you're sitting is all that different... you just haven't had the amount of crackpots going off as your neighbor.

[FORD]

I'm going to make a prediction here that bad pharmaceuticals had as much to do with this shooting as guns did. Of course you will probably never hear about that in the corporate media. And just one look at the commercials on TV will tell you why..... Mediawhores aren't going to bite the hand of the beast from Hell that feeds them.

[ZahZoo]

If this turns out to another case of the gun having been registered and acquired 100% legally it's not going to motivate either side of the gun control debate...

[Romeo Delight]

I did a little reading... appears Canada's gun laws aren't all that restrictive beyond the every gun must be registered aspect. So I wouldn't exactly say from where you're sitting is all that different... you just haven't had the amount of crackpots going off as your neighbor.

I think it goes a little deeper...if you have any kind of checkered past, I am not sure you are getting a license.

You are right though...not a huge gap, other than a mentality that we just don't need them around at all other than for hunting.

[envy_me]

froderick

I stand corrected :D

[Angel]

I did a little reading... appears Canada's gun laws aren't all that restrictive beyond the every gun must be registered aspect. So I wouldn't exactly say from where you're sitting is all that different... you just haven't had the amount of crackpots going off as your neighbor.

You're talking un-restricted guns...the controversial long gun registry. Handguns, semi-auto's etc. You must be licensed and there are strict rules regarding transport, etc.

[katina]

Johnson used a .45-caliber semiautomatic handgun and was carrying extra ammunition in his briefcase during the attack, according to police. He purchased it legally in 1991 in Florida but did not have a permit to carry the weapon in New York City.
I just read that eight people not nine, were wounded :(

[Nickdfresh]

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ABCNews story above...

http://i.usatoday.net/news/gallery/2012/n120824_empire/10-pg-horizontal.jpg
The shooter, Jeffrey Johnson, 58 lies dead...

[BigBadBrian]

How's that right to bear arms working out for you USA?

I'm in the market for a new handgun, actually.

I'm also looking for a Winchester 70 or Remington 700 Tactical at a decent price. :elvis:

http://i71.servimg.com/u/f71/14/51/12/47/r700_310.jpg

[Seshmeister]

Why not just get the wife to do some kegel exercises?

It will make your dick feel bigger and it won't cost you anything.

[BigBadBrian]

Why not just get the wife to do some kegel exercises?

It will make your dick feel bigger and it won't cost you anything.

Yeah, that'd be really good to take out in the field to go hunting.

http://media1.break.com/dnet/media/2009/10/74%20Growing%20Trend%20Women%20Hunting%20in%20Biki nis.jpghttp://www.africahunting.com/hunting-pictures-videos/watermark.php?file=1819

[envy_me]

Why not just get the wife to do some kegel exercises?

It will make your dick feel bigger and it won't cost you anything.

LOL, man you're on fire today :D

[ashstralia]

Yay guns indeed...

Then again, in Africa the machete is the weapon of choice. Machete's don't kill people, if you're slow, Mwembe hacks at you until you bleed out.

[envy_me]

Yay guns indeed...

Then again, in Africa the machete is the weapon of choice. Machete's don't kill people, if you're slow, Mwembe hacks at you until you bleed out.

Hahahaha, Mwembe :D

[ZahZoo]

You're talking un-restricted guns...the controversial long gun registry. Handguns, semi-auto's etc. You must be licensed and there are strict rules regarding transport, etc.

Like I said not much different... My point is let's not perpetuate the perception that the US is still the wild west with everyone walking around with a 6-shooter strapped on and rifle at their side. That's not the case...

The primary difference between Canada's laws and the US is you don't have the "gun show" loophole that allows sales without background checks. Your law requires somewhat broader registration criteria... for every weapon. The US law does too... but it didn't grandfather in older weapons. Transport and carry restrictions aren't any different and like yours vary by state or province in your case. Ownership transfer in Canada can be done via the phone... so that's no real deterrent to guns moving among people.

But it isn't the older weapons that have been involved in these high profile mass murders. They've involved legally obtained and registered weapons by individuals that passed the proper background checks... in other words no additional gun controls would have stopped guys like this one or Holmes from having the weapons they used to murder. Odds are real good both would have been able to purchase and possess the same guns in Canada... the only difference is the high volume clips Holmes had but didn't actually use.

For those of you outside the US... the high murder rates are not due to these highly publicized mass shootings. Predominately the most shootings are occurring in our inner cities among young men killing each other over drugs, money or stupid shit. Also it's like 86% Blacks killing other blacks, Hispanics killing other Hispanics and it's not mass shooting of innocent by-standers... in majority of cases it does not cross racial nor socioeconomic boundaries.

[jacksmar]

How's that right to bear arms working out for you USA?

I've got 38 good reasons not fuck with me. Ever.

[BigBadBrian]

It must be pointed out that the "gun show loophole" actually refers to occasional sellers that may be doing the selling. They congregate at gun shows because that's where the buyers are. All Federal Firearms Licensed dealers must do a background check....yes, even at gun shows. :gulp:

[Seshmeister]

I've got 38 good reasons not fuck with me. Ever.

If IQ points were reasons... :)

[ELVIS]

LOL, man you're on fire today :D

He starts back drinking on Saturday after his week long fast of the shakes and posting utter nonsense...

He may need a chiropractor and some hollistic minerals...


:biggrin:

[ELVIS]

If IQ points were reasons... :)

See ??

Back to his normal drunken joyous self...


:killer:

[Dr. Love]

How's that right to bear arms working out for you USA?

you know, I never thought about it, but it seems so obvious! If we don't let people have guns, they won't kill each other!

It's like all the motivation for retribution and revenge comes from the gun itself!

Brilliant!

[ELVIS]

Guns have feelings too...

May I share mine with you...

twenty bullets up in your head...

Brings back memories of the life you led...


ELVIS 2012©

[envy_me]

Guns have feelings too...

May I share mine with you...

twenty bullets up in your head...

Brings back memories of the life you led...


ELVIS 2012

Wich verse in the holy book would that be? :D

[ELVIS]

Elvis 20:12

[PETE'S BROTHER]

Elvis 20:12

blasphemer

[envy_me]

Elvis 20:12

Jesus would be proud.

[Nickdfresh]

Guns have feelings too...

May I share mine with you...

twenty bullets up in your head...

Brings back memories of the life you led...


ELVIS 2012©

Spoken like a truly emasculated, sexually repressed freak...

[ELVIS]

Maybe in your fantasy world...

[PETE'S BROTHER]

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/20120825PNI0825-wir-empire-state-building-shooting-victims-police.html

seems like a chaotic scene

[gbranton]

Meanwhile in Kennesaw, GA, where gun ownership is mandated by law, they didn't have a murder for twenty three years and the violent crime rate plummeted after the law was enacted.

[Hardrock69]

Dat be fo troo!

Facts is facts.

[BigBadBrian]

Jesus would be proud.

You wouldn't know that now, would you? You're not a believer. :amen:

[envy_me]

You wouldn't know that now, would you? You're not a believer. :amen:

Oh, now you've got me cornered. Touche :doh: Idiot!

[Nickdfresh]

Meanwhile in Kennesaw, GA, where gun ownership is mandated by law, they didn't have a murder for twenty three years and the violent crime rate plummeted after the law was enacted.

Often trumpeted and largely bogus, the claim doesn't correlate well with statistics because there is another town in GA about the same size that banned guns and also has had a massive drop in crime, in fact Kennesaw has MORE burglaries because buglers love stealing firearms. It's hard to make claims about middle to upper middle class towns that have always had low crime rates that are relevant to crime stats anyways since both Kennesaw and Morton, GA have had so little to begin with anyways...

[FORD]

First of all, this crime cannot be categorized with the other recent shootings.

This was one pissed off guy, who targeted a single person, his former boss. Sucks for the former boss, but all the other damage here was done by poorly trained police, not the gunman.

And you can blame that on that fucking miserable asshole Ray Kelly, who would rather harrass Occupy Wall Street, or run his own personal CIA within the NYPD than actually train rookie cops when, how, and WHO to shoot at.

[Seshmeister]

Often trumpeted and largely bogus, the claim doesn't correlate well with statistics because there is another town in GA about the same size that banned guns and also has had a massive drop in crime, in fact Kennesaw has MORE burglaries because buglers love stealing firearms. It's hard to make claims about middle to upper middle class towns that have always had low crime rates that are relevant to crime stats anyways since both Kennesaw and Morton, GA have had so little to begin with anyways...

It's not rocket surgery.

There are lots of very violent people here but most of the time when they attack people they punch, kick or cut with knives. Fortunately since most of them don't have a machine designed to kill people like a gun to hand when these disputes break out then our murder rate is much lower than yours.

[DONNIEP]

Hey Sesh - what are the gun laws in Scotland? Can one own a handgun or rifle?

[Seshmeister]

After the Dunblane shooting in 1996 where a cunt killed 16 little kids with legally owned handguns they were banned. I was at the intensive care unit at the children's hospital that day and I will never forget the faces of the parents...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunblane_school_massacre

Bad laws usually result from knee jerk legislation but in that case I don't give a fuck and you wouldn't either if you had been close to it.

You can get single shot rifles for hunting with a license, self loading you can only get at .22

With the breakup of Eastern Europe illegal guns have flooded into the country but it's still fairly unusual for someone to be shot.

For every 20 firearm homicides by population you have, we have 1.

[DONNIEP]

That's a terrible and tragic story.

I was just curious about your gun laws. I wasn't trying to draw any comparisons or anything.

[Seshmeister]

You can't really compare because we are coming from a different starting point whereby apparently there are over 300 million firearms in the US already.

There are no easy answers, some sort of compulsory test fire ballistics database seems like a no brainer to me but there seem to be a lot of lunatics on this issue over there.

[DONNIEP]

We do have an overabundance of loonies here.

[Seshmeister]

I guess I'm too emotive on the subject but I can't help it.

I wasn't a parent myself back then now I would definitely have gone to pieces...

[Nickdfresh]

Whhaaaatttt?


nypd: Empire state victims hit by police gunfire

new york (ap) — all nine people injured during a dramatic confrontation between police and a gunman outside the empire state building were wounded by gunfire from the two officers, police said saturday, citing ballistics evidence.

The veteran patrolmen who opened fire on the suit-clad gunman, jeffrey johnson, had only an instant to react when he whirled around and pointed a .45-caliber pistol at them as they approached him from behind on a busy sidewalk.

Officer craig matthews shot seven times, and officer robert sinishtaj fired nine times, police said. Neither had ever fired their weapons before on a patrol.

The volley of gunfire felled johnson in just a few seconds and left nine other people bleeding on the sidewalk.
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the rest of the story (http://news.yahoo.com/nypd-empire-state-victims-hit-police-gunfire-180844387.html)