The Little Dawg.

[ELVIS]

He's reading a tele-speech to the masses tonight...

Will it be "one for the ages" ??

No way can he top Clinton with the soaring rhetoric and the tears...and the pink face...

makes me wanna cry...


:biggrin:

[DavidLeeNatra]

He's reading a tele-speech to the masses tonight...

Will it be "one for the ages" ??

No way can he top Clinton with the soaring rhetoric and the tears...and the pink face...

makes me wanna cry...


:biggrin:

did Romney drop the teleprompter?

[ELVIS]

Stiff Mitt isn't even in this...

it's Obama against Ron Paul and Obama is clearly winning, unfortunately...


:elvis:

[ELVIS]

Nobody watched the little dawg ??

Oh well...


:biggrin:

[fourthcoming]

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[ELVIS]

Pick one and get screwed...

[fourthcoming]

It's just a matter of which one will at least have the decency to apply some lubrication first.

[ELVIS]

Neither will...

[ELVIS]

So, looking around at the headlines, this speech was an epic failure...

"Obama is out of juice"

"Obama the demigod comes down to earth"

"Stale and empty"

It really was stale, especially following Michelle, Clinton and Biden...

I thought Biden did really well...

but Obama sucked...

And no mention of obamacare...


:elvis:

[fourthcoming]

Biden actually did do o.k.....I was surprised.

[DLR Bridge]

He had a lot of people do excellent jobs speaking on his behalf last night, I mean, where was that John Kerry in '04? I thought O did just alright. Biggest problem for me is that he can't attack Romney for not saying what he was going to do, then not say what he was going to do!! Still, if we are in fact at a two pronged fork in the road, I'm staying on his side of the fork.

[DLR Bridge]

Biden actually did do o.k.....I was surprised.

Yeah, Aside from reading wrong words first a dozen times or so, he did alright. He's definitely a decent soul who can connect. That stuff about his family leveled me. I had no idea.

[jhale667]

The majority of the DNC speakers were excellent. Showed a stark contrast between the two sides. And Wrongney STILL got upstaged by a chair last week, so....

[hambon4lif]

Biden actually did do o.k.....I was surprised.The bar for Joe has always been set very low. He's never been known as a good public speaker.

He's really going to have to step up his game in the V.P. debate to slam that weasel Ryan. He managed to do alright in the last one, but since it was against that airhole Palin, it doesn't really count. Ryan's a pathological liar with absolutely zero conscience, so he's going to be a bit harder to put in check.

[fourthcoming]

He has never been that graceful of a public speaker.....and definitely has his hands full with Ryan. Ryan is a clown, but he's a smooth one.

[fourthcoming]

I'm sorry but everytime I watch Obama speak he reminds me of this......



so drab and lifeless.....

[DLR Bridge]

Drab and lifeless!? The guy builds up to the usage of his inner MLK more often than necessary. We watching the same fella? I s'pose his laid back cool can come off as unenthused deadpan from time to time.

[jhale667]

I'm sorry but everytime I watch Obama speak he reminds me of this......

so drab and lifeless.....


"Drab and lifeless"? That's crazy talk.

[fourthcoming]

I'm sorry fellas.....I rarely disagree with either of you......but apparently I'm just not getting it. To me he just seems like an elitist that doesn't want to be bothered. He doesn't sweep me off my feet with his "Hope" "Change" "Yes We Can" bullshit. It's 2012 not 2008.....that garbage worked once.....time to show me something. He is still getting my vote because I have to vote for someone.....sad commentary on our system.....but I cannot bring myself to vote for the other shithead.

[fourthcoming]

Drab and lifeless!? We watching the same fella? I s'pose his laid back cool can come off as unenthused deadpan from time to time.

Maybe that's what it is.......maybe for me I look at Obama the same way I sometimes look at Robbie Cano.....like he's not interested in being there and completely unenthusiastic. I know your a Yankee fan DLR so you have to know what I mean there.

[DLR Bridge]

Maybe that's what it is.......maybe for me I look at Obama the same way I sometimes look at Robbie Cano.....like he's not interested in being there and completely unenthusiastic. I know your a Yankee fan DLR so you have to know what I mean there.

Ok, now I got'cha!

[DavidLeeNatra]

I'm sorry fellas.....I rarely disagree with either of you......but apparently I'm just not getting it. To me he just seems like an elitist that doesn't want to be bothered. He doesn't sweep me off my feet with his "Hope" "Change" "Yes We Can" bullshit. It's 2012 not 2008.....that garbage worked once.....time to show me something. He is still getting my vote because I have to vote for someone.....sad commentary on our system.....but I cannot bring myself to vote for the other shithead.

welcome to my world for the last...say...20 years with one exception...

[DLR Bridge]

I do think we're going to see a big difference in his debate style and demeanor this time around. In '08, you had McCain coming off like a grumpy old jerk off, rolling his eyes and shaking his head condescendingly. I felt that dolt, along with his POS running mate, sealed their own fate. This time around, he's going to have to show a bit more tooth to justify his existence in the Oval Office, both past and future. Guy Smiley will be the one standing a bit more calm this time. I could be wrong, but we'll see.

[jhale667]

I do think we're going to see a big difference in his debate style and demeanor this time around. In '08, you had McCain coming off like a grumpy old jerk off, rolling his eyes and shaking his head condescendingly. I felt that dolt, along with his POS running mate, sealed their own fate. This time around, he's going to have to show a bit more tooth to justify his existence in the Oval Office, both past and future. Guy Smiley will be the one standing a bit more calm this time. I could be wrong, but we'll see.


Don't you EVER insult Guy Smiley like that by comparing him to WRONGney again!!!! ;) And doubt Mittens is going to be the calm one as for the 1st time he's going to have to try to back up his bullshit with facts, and he doesn't have any....

[Nitro Express]

They all are spewing bullshit. They should stop calling them conventions and call them bullshit rallies.

[DLR Bridge]

Your right, I was way outta line comparing that dry lifeless human to the exuberant puppet with similar hair. My bad indeed, and yeah, the lying game is going to close in on him right quick.

[Nitro Express]

I'm sorry fellas.....I rarely disagree with either of you......but apparently I'm just not getting it. To me he just seems like an elitist that doesn't want to be bothered. He doesn't sweep me off my feet with his "Hope" "Change" "Yes We Can" bullshit. It's 2012 not 2008.....that garbage worked once.....time to show me something. He is still getting my vote because I have to vote for someone.....sad commentary on our system.....but I cannot bring myself to vote for the other shithead.

Obama is going to get the New York state electorial votes anyways. What I would do is just look at the best third party candidate on the ballot and vote for them. Then you don't have to feel guilty for supporting the asshole.

That's what I have done the last couple elections and it feels good that I was neither responsible for supporting Bush or Obama.

[DLR Bridge]

They all are spewing bullshit. They should stop calling them conventions and call them bullshit rallies.

I don't know about that. There was a lot of non bullshit going on yesterday. Did you happen to see the earlier speeches? Gabby Giffords? It was a pretty moving day, I think.

[Nitro Express]

This election is so close it's going to be decided by a few swing states like Ohio. Most of the states are in one camp or another and no campaign BS will change that. In other words, your vote in most cases really doesn't matter.

[Nitro Express]

I don't know about that. There was a lot of non bullshit going on yesterday. Did you happen to see the earlier speeches? Gabby Giffords? It was a pretty moving day, I think.

Oh you will have a few decent people give a speech but from the people actually running for office. It's a total bullshit fest. I've been out of the country and not really following the campaign anyways. But then the only part of the Democratic Convention I watched was a bit of Joe Biden spewing and then of course I had to turn the channel due to illness.

[DLR Bridge]

Obama is going to get the New York state electorial votes anyways. What I would do is just look at the best third party candidate on the ballot and vote for them. Then you don't have to feel guilty for supporting the asshole.

That's what I have done the last couple elections and it feels good that I was neither responsible for supporting Bush or Obama.

Disagree. '00 was close and rather than vote for the lesser of two D-bags, I went with Nader. To this day, I wish I didn't just chuck a vote at a guy who had zero % of a chance.

[FORD]

Obama is going to get the New York state electorial votes anyways. What I would do is just look at the best third party candidate on the ballot and vote for them. Then you don't have to feel guilty for supporting the asshole.

That's what I have done the last couple elections and it feels good that I was neither responsible for supporting Bush or Obama.

www.voterocky.org

[Nitro Express]

I'm sorry but everytime I watch Obama speak he reminds me of this......



so drab and lifeless.....

Obama is just running the same old BS machine he ran 4 years ago. For a second time he had to bring Bill Clinton in because let's face it, Bill is the only so called star left in the Democratic party and the only reason for that is he was president during a good economy. Nobody mentions he was the president that listened to Alan Greenspan and deregulated the banks and began the whole mess. You really have to go back to Kennedy or Eisenhower to find a decent president. That's how long the lameness has gone on in this country and that is why it's such a mess. I think Romney will get enough of the swing vote to win. Obama has shot his load.

[DLR Bridge]

www.voterocky.org

He seems like an OK guy. Just can't throw it away again. Sorry. It's a damned two pronged fork in the road.

[Nitro Express]

www.voterocky.org

exactly. It will be interesting so see how Rocky does.

[Little Texan]

Pick one and get screwed...

AIDS or cancer...make a choice.

[Nitro Express]

Disagree. '00 was close and rather than vote for the lesser of two D-bags, I went with Nader. To this day, I wish I didn't just chuck a vote at a guy who had zero % of a chance.

It only matters if the race is close in the particular state you live in and it makes a difference on who gets the electorial votes. I mean if you live in California or Utah. The Democrats will always win in Cali and the Republicans will always win in Utah. Know thy state if your vote matters or not. Romney has Wyoming in the bag so it doesn't matter who I vote for. So I'm just going to vote for the best third party candidate. I'm going to pull a Pontius Pilot and wash my hands of the matter.

[ELVIS]

Vote Gary Johnson...

[Little Texan]

So, looking around at the headlines, this speech was an epic failure...

"Obama is out of juice"

"Obama the demigod comes down to earth"

"Stale and empty"

It really was stale, especially following Michelle, Clinton and Biden...

I thought Biden did really well...

but Obama sucked...

And no mention of obamacare...


:elvis:

Compared to Bill Clinton's speech the other night, it was pretty lackluster, but was he really going to be able to outdo that speech? That was a pretty tough act for anyone to follow.

[FORD]

If I lived in Florida or Pennsylvania, I'd probably have to think twice about my vote.

Here in Washington though, there's very little chance of Obama not winning the state. So I'm not helping Mittens & Munster by voting for Rocky, as the electoral votes are gonna be in the bag for Barry & Joe regardless.

While I (sadly) accept the reality that Rocky probably won't win (and so does he, by the way) I would encourage everyone who lives in a "safe" state (safe for either Democrats or Repukes) to vote for him anyway, just to send the message that the duopoly is not speaking for the majority of Americans, in their policies and actions. Regardless of what they say in their speeches.

[DLR Bridge]

It only matters if the race is close in the particular state you live in and it makes a difference on who gets the electorial votes. I mean if you live in California or Utah. The Democrats will always win in Cali and the Republicans will always win in Utah. Know thy state if your vote matters or not. Romney has Wyoming in the bag so it doesn't matter who I vote for. So I'm just going to vote for the best third party candidate.

Good point. I'm out. Have a good weekend everyone!

[Nitro Express]

I always voted for what I thought was the best candidate and it usually is not the person who wins. Even in local elections. Very few of the people I vote for win. Why? They are honest and not tied to the political machine. Too many people get caught up in the partisan thing and don't actually research the candidates and look at them as individuals. The truth is every party has some good people. Sometimes a Democrat will be the best pick other times a Republican. Sometimes it's an independent. Vote the candidate and until we all do so, nothing changes.

[FORD]

AIDS or cancer...make a choice.


Raise your glass to the hard working people
Let's drink to the uncounted heads
Let's think of the wavering millions
Who need leaders but get gamblers instead

Spare a thought for the stay-at-home voter
His empty eyes gaze at strange beauty shows
And a parade of the gray suited grafters
A choice of cancer or polio


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEmjIfUlMoA

[DavidLeeNatra]

Nobody mentions he was the president that listened to Alan Greenspan and deregulated the banks and began the whole mess.

that's not true...it started with Reagan but Clinton did nothing to take the stop the mess.

[fourthcoming]

Nobody has done anything to stop the mess since Reagan.......that's the colassal failure that every President since Reagan has in common. It's like Ronnie put forth the blue print on how to screw up the country and everyone took the ball and ran with it.

[Nitro Express]

I think Bill Clinton is a huge fake. The Bush family love the guy. He's not a true Democrat. The last real Democrat president was John F. Kennedy. After he died the political picture moved over to support multi-national corporations and not the American public. You only have to look at their records to see this. Obama is not a true Democrat. He supports the large banks and multinational corporations just as the Bush Administration have. Both sides have been infiltrated and taken over.

Until the American people grow a brain and stop all this stupid infighting they stir up, nothing changes. Until the American people themselves can infiltrate the government and steer it back on it's constitutional course of WE THE PEOPLE, the multinational corporations will run this place like a dictatorship using various thug unelected government agencies to do their bidding.

[DavidLeeNatra]

Nobody has done anything to stop the mess since Reagan.......that's the colassal failure that every President since Reagan has in common. It's like Ronnie put forth the blue print on how to screw up the country and everyone took the ball and ran with it.

and still people call him a "great" president...yeah...he ruined the soviets but for what costs?

[Seshmeister]

He's not a true Democrat.

A true Democrat couldn't be elected.

Obama is maybe to the right of Clinton and he's being called a Marxist FFS.

[jhale667]

A true Democrat couldn't be elected.

Obama is maybe to the right of Clinton and he's being called a Marxist FFS.


Exactly.

[ELVIS]

I think Bill Clinton is a huge fake. The Bush family love the guy. He's not a true Democrat.

And if you go back and listen to his soaring rhetorical bullshit, I mean speech, you'll hear a few things that can be interpreted as digs towards Obahaahaahaama...

[ELVIS]

Obama to the right of Clinton ??

No way...

Clinton is a conservative dumbocrat......

[Nitro Express]

Clinton is just your typical for sale scumbag politician. I think he goes where the money is. Obama seems to have more of an ingrained agenda.

[ELVIS]

Maybe so, but Clinton was way more fiscally conservative...

[Nitro Express]

And if you go back and listen to his soaring rhetorical bullshit, I mean speech, you'll hear a few things that can be interpreted as digs towards Obahaahaahaama...

I think the Clintons view Obama as a lightweight. But then Obama isn't in charge. The corporations are and the Clintons have a better relationship with them than Obama does. But you can get certain things done manipulating a radical lefty than you can with a more conservative person in the seat. It's all about manipulating whatever base your guy in office has power over. You can ram certain legislation through you never could with more conservative in charge.

The people who buy politicians view it like a football game. They buy up some players and they have different strategies they use with different players and they see how many touchdowns towards their agenda the flavor of the month can get them. Sure they will let the movement get what they want but they must also pass and do what the corporations want and that is the most important part.

Obama is expendable. They will throw him under the bus when he is no longer useful. Bill Clinton on the other hand built up relations with multinational corporations and sells his influence just like daddy Bush has done. Bill goes around the world and talks with world leaders trying to get the mining companies he works for in those countries and things like that. Obama is too egoed out and stupid to get to that level. Bill is right. Obama is nothing.

[FORD]

Obama to the right of Clinton ??

No way...

Clinton is a conservative dumbocrat......

And Obama is a moderate Republican.

...as opposed to all the current Republicans, who are batshit crazy fascists.

[Nitro Express]

I did a lot of reading on the Clinton White House and unlike George W. Bush and Obama Bill Clinton really did run his presidency. He was known to be a micromanager. Even some generals at the Pentagon said Bill Clinton was an excellent commander and chief. The man was just corrupt. He did have the skill and intelligence to be a good president. W. and Obama simply got over their heads. Obama has had to even have Bill Clinton do press conferences for him because he knows nothing about even basic finance. Pretty pathetic.

[Nitro Express]

And Obama is a moderate Republican.

...as opposed to all the current Republicans, who are batshit crazy fascists.

I'm still trying to figure Romney out. He's complicated. When he ran the Salt Lake City olympics I was in some organizing meetings with him. My niece has worked for him. I know he's an excellent organizer and was brought into the Salt Lake Olympics because he had a reputation as a fix it man. He seems too friendly with some of the GOP creeps like Dick Cheney and the Bush family. I haven't quite figured out if they are playing him or if he is playing them. Obama was easy to figure out. I had him figured out even before he was elected president. Romney is more difficult and this is the only presidential candidate I have met in person and worked under. Reagan was complicated as well. Not even his own children could figure him out.

[ELVIS]

Clinton is a people person and he just naturally tries to take charge of any situation...

Obama is introverted and makes as few contacts as possible...

[ELVIS]

They are playing Romney...

I'm sure he's a great behind the curtain leader, but he's a terrible front man...

He's way more Hagar than Roth...


:elvis:

[Nitro Express]

Maybe so, but Clinton was way more fiscally conservative...

Bill Clinton understands finance and economics. One thing you constantly hear about Bill Clinton from those who knew him during his presidency is he studied the presidency. He himself has admitted he was weak on financial knowledge going into the presidency but studied it while in the presidency and studied it when he was out of office. Bill Clinton is far more aware of how economies work than your average politician. This is a well read studied person. You have to be to win the association of people like David Rockefeller and other high level elitists. Those people allow smart go getters like Cllinton into their circle. They might use a politician like Obama but believe me, once he's out of office and no longer useful to them, he's under the bus. Bill took it to the next step. Not too many can or have.

[ELVIS]

Yep, and he's still a good speaker, but he's still a con-artist...

[ELVIS]

And it's funny watching people just slurp it up...

Like calling him "The Big Dawg" and giving a "speech for the masses"...


:biggrin:

[Nitro Express]

They are playing Romney...

I'm sure he's a great behind the curtain leader, but he's a terrible front man...

He's way more Hagar than Roth...


:elvis:

That's why he had to bring Ryan on board. Romney is very high energy. This isn't going to be a person who let's others run things. He will be running it and he's tireless and he never forgets things. If you say you are going to do something or he gives you an assignment you better get it done or have a good answer because he's going to ask you about it later. This is a guy who was running a lot of volunteers doing a lot of things and he remembered everything and even the names of the people who had the assignment. To be frank. I never saw anyone as good at doing that as Mitt Romney. For some reason he likes being in the spotlight. Most venture capitalists don't. He's actually a pretty interesting person. Pretty unique actually.

Of course the media paints him as some stiff stuffed suit. They seem to want a showman not a manager. Romney is an excellent manager and organizer. That's what he is. That's his skill set.

[Seshmeister]

Yep, and he's still a good speaker, but he's still a con-artist...

That's what most voters want or at least vote for.

Blair was similar then he was replaced by someone that wasn't good at being false or acting for the cameras and people hated it.

[ELVIS]

Sesh, do you ever have any third party candidates ??

[Nitro Express]

"The British House of Commons. It's a crazy place. It's like the US Congress with a two drink minimum." --Robin Williams--

[hambon4lif]

"The British House of Commons. It's a crazy place. It's like the US Congress with a two drink minimum." --Robin Williams--When I know the House of Commons are on C-SPAN, I always tune in to watch. It's high-energy with all the shouting and the hollering. More times than not, it always seems like it's going to go to the very brink of total anarchy.

....sometimes I wish we more like that.

[Nitro Express]

When I know the House of Commons are on C-SPAN, I always tune in to watch. It's high-energy with all the shouting and the hollering. More times than not, it always seems like it's going to go to the very brink of total anarchy.

....sometimes I wish we more like that.

I do the same thing. I think more people in the US watch British parliment than our own congress because it's more entertaining.

[FORD]

They are playing Romney...

I'm sure he's a great behind the curtain leader, but he's a terrible front man...

He's way more Hagar than Roth...


:elvis:

Minus the tequila, obviously. Though given his family history, it wouldn't surprise me if he owned a place in Cabo.

[Seshmeister]

Sesh, do you ever have any third party candidates ??

Always but it's a different system because the PM comes from the party with the most seats like your leader of the house, not from a direct election. Nationally the popular vote tends to be in the region of 35%, 35%, 20% plus others.

Scotland has its own parliament now like a State legislature but with more power with a 4 party system and at the last election the third party actually won a majority as people had become tired of the big 2.

It's a bit more healthy than the US because there are less barriers to entry for smaller party's and campaign funding is much more regulated and limited so far less important.