Who do you think Dave voted for?

[envy_me]

Since this is an American forum, and you guys just had this election that was important to you. And since Dave is the main topic of the board, it leads to question:
Who do you think Dave voted for? And did he vote at all? ;)

[Satan]

Rocky Anderson.

[Zing!]

If I were Dave I would have voted for myself...

[Nitro Express]

Dave is pro-Israel and once said,"Fuck the Palistinians." I think Dave voted for the same guy Chaim Witz voted for. If you read Dave's book he very much like Gene on those lines.

[envy_me]

Dave is pro-Israel and once said,"Fuck the Palistinians." I think Dave voted for the same guy Chaim Witz voted for. If you read Dave's book he very much like Gene on those lines.

He is on the right? Oh well...

[philouze]

Dave is pro-Israel and once said,"Fuck the Palistinians."

Fuck... :(

[vandeleur]

Yeah dave does talk abit about Israel in his book , he is very pro Israel

[philouze]

I won't expose my political convictions here but I think it sucks big time.

[envy_me]

But in an election there are many issues. He can't just vote a certain way because of only one issue.

[envy_me]

I won't expose my political convictions here but I think it sucks big time.

But he is jewish. We can think whatever we want, but it's kind of logical from his standpoint.

[philouze]

But he is jewish. We can think whatever we want, but it's kind of logical from his standpoint.

True that.
I'll always love Dave but.. oh well

[envy_me]

True that.
I'll always love Dave but.. oh well

Yeah, same here. I can understand why Gene is on the right, he is a huge capitalist. I always thought Dave had a sort of depth.

[philouze]

Yeah, same here. I can understand why Gene is on the right, he is a huge capitalist. I always thought Dave had a sort of depth.

Same here. I thought of him as a "peace" guy..

[Nitro Express]

Yeah dave does talk abit about Israel in his book , he is very pro Israel

Oh Dave might not like Netanyahu and Dave is a compassionate person and it's hard to support Netanyahu if you are. The thing is, a pro Israel person would most likely not vote for a person who said Israel should go back to it's pre 68 borders. Dave has the jewish paranoia engrained in him that the jews are still the most persecuted people on the planet and there is someone out to get you. That's well stated in his book.

I don't have any jewish roots in my family but on my mom's side they were persecuted pretty bad in the states of Missouri and Illinois. Once you have people trying to systematically kill you and the government is involved in that, the paranoia lasts generations because the stories are told in the family. So there is this attitude, family first, like minded community first, and then everyone else. Mormons, jews, and other persecuted groups have this ingrained skeptical attitude. They very well know groups of people and the government can turn on you on a whim so you are very cautious.

Dave clearly believes in a big fist to protect Israel. That's clearly stated in his book and he views anyone with a hippy dip we will all come to gether attitude as naive. There is a bold miitant side to Dave. This is a guy who would fight in the Massad. Not questions there. He did say if rock and roll didn't work out his second choice was to be a Navy Seal. Not exactly a group of people Obama is popular with at the moment.

People from a persecuted past live in two worlds. Deep down there is a circle of people that's the most important. That's who you can trust and who has your back and then everyone else. You live a public life and then a more personal life that you don't let the public into, because frankly, you don't trust them.

[vandeleur]

In crazy from the heat he doesn't come across as a peace guy , more a walk quietly and carry a big stick sort of guy

[philouze]

In crazy from the heat he doesn't come across as a peace guy , more a walk quietly and carry a big stick sort of guy

Beat me all you want, but I didn't read CFTH. See, it's funny how our perception of things & persons can be wrong...

[vandeleur]

Dave is clearly a complex guy and probably none of us have a take on any of his various personalities :D

[Satan]

There are a lot of otherwise good Jewish political folks out there - Alan Grayson (who got his congressional seat back, thank God. And when the Devil thanks God, you know I mean it!) Anthony Weiner (yeah so he took pictures of his underwear - so what), Rob Wexler, etc. who will vote Liberally 99.9% percent of the time, but when it comes to Israel, they immediately drink the Likud KoolAid and go along with whatever NuttyYahoo believes.

I can't understand it. Hell, I don't think the majority of Jews who live in Israel actually agree with NuttyYahoo all that much, but they keep putting idiots like him in office and buying into his paranoia about Iran. Like all of those mentioned, Dave is certainly smarter than that, and I hope they can see through this dragonshit.

[Nickdfresh]

Over two-thirds of U.S. Jews voted for Obama...I think Dave is probably libertarian...

[Dave's Bitch]

Beat me all you want, but I didn't read CFTH. See, it's funny how our perception of things & persons can be wrong...

You should give it a read its a very good book ;)

[DavidLeeNatra]

98% of the blacks and 66 % of the jewish...Dave is a black man trapped in a jewish body...so the statistic probability is 82% then that he voted for Obama

[philouze]

You should give it a read its a very good book ;)

I sure will.. Thanks ;)

[philouze]

98% of the blacks and 66 % of the jewish...Dave is a black man trapped in a jewish body...so the statistic probability is 82% then that he voted for Obama

Where the fuck did THAT come from ?? lmfao

[Nitro Express]

Same here. I thought of him as a "peace" guy..

Oh Dave is for peace but believes you need a big stick. Dave would never disarm himself. Gene said his pro America stance comes from it was American GI's who liberated his mom from the concentration camp. He said he never felt he completely fit into this country. I mean both Dave and Gene have some deeply ingrained views that there are bad guys in the world you have to protect yourself from. Most of us didn't have our mom in a Nazi concentration camp. I think that is where a lot of Gene' toughness comes from. Growing up one of our neighbors was a holocaust survivor and they don't like to talk about it. But she wanted to make sure us kids know what could happen and how fast it can roll in if you let it. She was aware it could happen here if the right circumstances prevailed. So that's probably why I get it more. Our neighbor.

I think a lot of Gene's attitude comes from him not being treated very well in New York when he was a kid from Israel who didn't speak English. I think he has a very big "Fuck You!" attitude and views success as the best revenge. Revenge against the nazis who persecuted his mom and revenge against the people in New York who treated him like shit. Even Dave said when he was out on the stage stomping around he was stomping the enemies of the jews. That's in his book. Both Dave and Gene have some serious FUCK YOU! in them and rock and roll was a good release for that. You can't stray too far from your family. You can try but it's a part of you.

[DavidLeeNatra]

Where the fuck did THAT come from ?? lmfao

dave once said that he is a black man trapped in a jewish body...so...do the math...

[Satan]

Two thirds is a good percentage (66.6%, of course) but it makes you wonder what the fuck the other 33.3% were thinking. The Mormon Church is no friend to the Jews. As a matter of fact, their whole "New Zion" doctrine pretty much considers the Jews and Israel to be irrelevant. Mittens might make his public claims about believing JC is going to return to Jerusalem, but he left out the part about Him taking the first flight to Salt Lake City (or maybe Branson Missouri) right after that.

[philouze]

I can't understand it. Hell, I don't think the majority of Jews who live in Israel actually agree with NuttyYahoo all that much, but they keep putting idiots like him in office and buying into his paranoia about Iran. Like all of those mentioned, Dave is certainly smarter than that, and I hope they can see through this dragonshit.

I'll tell you something:
the day I saw Blair, Bush, Merkel, Berlusconi, Sarkozy and all that pile of horseshit spit at Mahmoud's face, I thought "HE's the boss".

Am I gonna make friends with that ??? ;)

[philouze]

dave once said that he is a black man trapped in a jewish body...so...do the math...

1 and 1.. oh ok, I get it ;)

[Nitro Express]

Over two-thirds of U.S. Jews voted for Obama...I think Dave is probably libertarian...

I would say that's probably where he would be. Most of the US Jews have voted Democratic. The reason why is they don't want to be in the same party as the white supremacists and racists. There is that element of the Republican party. It's not as bad as it was in the past but it's still there.

[Nitro Express]

dave once said that he is a black man trapped in a jewish body...so...do the math...

The black race is a persecuted race. That's ingrained in them just like it's engrained in the jews and the mormons. They have more freedom than ever in the US now but hey, they haven't gotten over the past. They might not wear those feelings on their wrists and they have their own circles. So its the same thing and they have a FUCK YOU! attitude. It's what drives some of them. They got that revenge motivation. It's why they have good music. Shit blues is nothing but FUCK YOU! I think Dave related to it.

[philouze]

The black race is a persecuted race.

Napalm all over Cameroon in the 60's. France never apologized nor recognized the facts. What a wonderful world...

[Nitro Express]

Two thirds is a good percentage (66.6%, of course) but it makes you wonder what the fuck the other 33.3% were thinking. The Mormon Church is no friend to the Jews. As a matter of fact, their whole "New Zion" doctrine pretty much considers the Jews and Israel to be irrelevant. Mittens might make his public claims about believing JC is going to return to Jerusalem, but he left out the part about Him taking the first flight to Salt Lake City (or maybe Branson Missouri) right after that.

Mormons view the jews to be the chosen people but have the typical christian view of them. They didn't recognize the true messiah. The Mormons believe the original christians got wiped out by the roman empire and the full truth was lost and they restored it. They also believe a group of jews came to the Americas and that's the group who the believe wrote the Book of Mormon. Also the new Jerusalem is not in Branson it's supposed to be in Independence. The temple lot is there. Not too far away from the Harry Truman Libarary. LOL! Some of the jews get along fine with the mormon and some cant stand them. That's usually the orthodox ones but I don't think those people like anyone. LOL!

The thing is the Mormons seem to get along fine with the city leaders of Jerusalem. They built and extension of Brigham Young University right up on the Mount of Olives on some coveted land. The orthodox jews threw a fit but most don't care. You don't build the thing on that mountain if the Jews don't like you.

[Nitro Express]

Napalm all over Cameroon in the 60's. France never apologized nor recognized the facts. What a wonderful world...

Slavery in the US and then another 100 years of the KKK after them. They haven't gotten over that either.

[philouze]

Like FZ said:
"I'm not black but there's a lot of time I wish I could say I'm not white"

[Nitro Express]

Missouri Executive Order 44, also known as the "Mormon Extermination Order"[1] (alt. exterminating order)[2] in Latter Day Saint history, was an executive order issued on October 27, 1838 by the governor of Missouri, Lilburn Boggs. The directive was issued in the aftermath of the Battle of Crooked River, a clash between Mormons and a unit of the Missouri State Guard in northern Ray County, Missouri, during the Mormon War of 1838. Insisting that the Mormons had committed "open and avowed defiance of the laws", and had "made war upon the people of this State," Boggs precipitously directed that "the Mormons must be treated as enemies, and must be exterminated or driven from the State if necessary for the public peace—their outrages are beyond all description".[2]
While the order is often referred to as the "Mormon Extermination Order" due to the phrasing used by Boggs, relatively few people were killed as a direct result of its issuance. However, the state militia and other authorities used Boggs' missive as a pretext to expel the Mormons from their lands in the state, and force them to migrate to Illinois. Mormons did not begin to return to Missouri until 25 years later, when they found a more welcoming environment and were able to establish homes there once more. In 1976, citing the unconstitutional nature of Boggs' directive, Missouri Governor Kit Bond formally rescinded it.[3]

It was legal to kill a Mormon in the state of Missouri until the extermination order was repealed in 1976. Missouri had it's own little holocaust. Most people don't know about it. Actually Missouri was not very welcoming for them to come back and the state stole legally owned land. That's why the Mormons had to go to the federal government for help which fell on deaf ears. So they bugged out to Utah which was Mexico at the time. They wanted to get out of the US due to the persecution. Then a Mormon found gold at Sutter's Mill and started the gold rush that brought everyone out west and wiped out Brigham Young's plans to colonize California. San Bernadino is an old Mormon settlement. So is Las Vegas.

The reason why is they were so productive the local people and politicians viewed them as a threat and yes they had a tendency to take things over which of course caused the persecution.

Then when a wagon train of Missourians came through Utah. Pay back! The Mormons wiped it out, blamed it on the local indians, and took the children into custody.

[envy_me]

98% of the blacks and 66 % of the jewish...Dave is a black man trapped in a jewish body...so the statistic probability is 82% then that he voted for Obama

Damn, that saved the situation :-) now I can go on beliving that Dave isn't such a capitalist after all.

[Nitro Express]

Like FZ said:
"I'm not black but there's a lot of time I wish I could say I'm not white"

I just view it as everyone has someone after them. Hey people leave because they are persecuted and when they get to the new place they start persecuting someone else. People came here from Europe to flee persecution and discovered some native Americans were in the way. LOL! Chairman Mao was right. Power grows from the barrel of a gun. It's not the nicest people who rule this world, it the ones with the big stick. It just that white people have had the big stick more often than not.

[Nitro Express]

Damn, that saved the situation :-) now I can go on beliving that Dave isn't such a capitalist after all.

Nothing wrong with capitalism. It beats communism. I think people mix up free market capitalism with crony capitalism with of course is monopolies. Those are two different things.

[Nickdfresh]

I would say that's probably where he would be. Most of the US Jews have voted Democratic. The reason why is they don't want to be in the same party as the white supremacists and racists. There is that element of the Republican party. It's not as bad as it was in the past but it's still there.

I'm essentially as Democratic as they come (even though I'm still a RHINO :) ). But I doubt Jews see the GOP as white supremacist or racist as much as highly educated, upper middle class, professional people tend to be liberal...

[Nitro Express]

"Gene didn't smoke or drink, but I think he was a sex addict" -Ace Frehley-

[Nickdfresh]

For the record, CNN reported that 69% of self-identified Jews voted for Obama in exit polls. Romney had 30% and 1% voted for others...

[Nickdfresh]

Damn, that saved the situation :-) now I can go on beliving that Dave isn't such a capitalist after all.

What's wrong with being a capitalist? What if he were a 'champagne socialist?'

[Nitro Express]

I'm essentially as Democratic as they come (even though I'm still a RHINO :) ). But I doubt Jews see the GOP as white supremacist or racist as much as highly educated, upper middle class, professional people tend to be liberal...

I think it's a toss up there. I think the divide is more on how you make your money. My dad always said people vote their pocket book and over the years, I think that's true. The Republicans have the trailer trash rednecks and the Democrats have the welfare project people. Then the Democrats probably have more college professors and the the Republicans have businesspeople.

[Nitro Express]

The thing is when you cram so many different people into just two parties, it's pretty diverse. If more candidates had a chance of wining the presidency then it would spread out but realistically, if you want your guy to win you have to vote Democrat or Republican. People thought due to all the Bush corruption a third party candidate would have a chance and Gary Johnson did set a third party candidate record. He got 1% of the vote.

[ELVIS]

I guess I'm in the one percent then...

[DavidLeeNatra]

I guess I'm in the one percent then...


hey E! I wanted to backfire a post at you from four years ago but didn't bother lookin' it up ;)

[envy_me]

What's wrong with being a capitalist? What if he were a 'champagne socialist?'

Capitalistic values stand for everything that I am against. I am left.

Rather champagne socialist then capitalist, even though it is like it is. I get the hypocrisy, but still.

[BigBadBrian]

Capitalistic values stand for everything that I am against. I am left.


David Lee Roth is the very epitome of American Capitalism. You buy his stuff and he makes money. He doesn't do it for free. :gulp:

[Satan]

I guess I'm in the one percent then...

Ironically enough, the 1% (the group Mittens belongs to) would be the big winners under a Gary Johnson presidency, since he wanted to remove all taxes and all regulation, and thought "free trade" was a good thing.

Gary's solution to outsourcing? Kill the minimum wage and pay workers 25 cents an hour in the US, and all the corporations will come back.

Randtard economics will NEVER be the solution to save the USA.

[envy_me]

David Lee Roth is the very epitome of American Capitalism. You buy his stuff and he makes money. He doesn't do it for free. :gulp:

Yeah, I also have a job that I do for money. I don't mind that.
I don't like the ideology that is build on survining of the fittest, that just a few get everything on behalf of others, etc. What's wrong with the Kibbutz. I LOVE that idea of unity.

I also don't like the car-dealer personalities like Gene is.

But never mind me and my views, lets talk about Dave :-)

[BigBadBrian]

But never mind me and my views, lets talk about Dave :-)

OK. I saw him a dozen times in concert, with and without VH, clear back to '78. How about you? :biggrin:

[envy_me]

OK. I saw him a dozen times in concert, with and without VH, clear back to '78. How about you? :biggrin:

I have never seen him in concert. I am quiet a recent fan. I don't think VH were ever that big here. Compared to all you guys here, i don't know anything about Dave or VH. But it's fun... At times :D

[kwame k]

I have never seen him in concert. I am quiet a recent fan. I don't thing VH were ever that big here. Compared to all you guys here, i don't know anything about Dave or VH. But it's fun... At times :D

Who gives a flying fuck when you got into Dave or CVH...........just as long as you have, it's all good:beers8:

[Seshmeister]

Dave is pro-Israel and once said,"Fuck the Palistinians." I think Dave voted for the same guy Chaim Witz voted for. If you read Dave's book he very much like Gene on those lines.

He's grown up a lot since the book and done some reading.

Last I heard him talk about the issue on the radio he was very much there are two sides to the story.

[DavidLeeNatra]

He's grown up a lot since the book and done some reading.

Last I heard him talk about the issue on the radio he was very much there are two sides to the story.

and he deeply hates chaim witz... :biggrin:

[envy_me]

Who gives a flying fuck when you got into Dave or CVH...........just as long as you have, it's all good:beers8:

Aaww, thanks :yankeeros

[kwame k]

Aaww, thanks :yankeeros

Shucks :o

[Jesus Christ]

For the record, CNN reported that 69% of self-identified Jews voted for Obama in exit polls. Romney had 30% and 1% voted for others...

Just for the record, the King of the Jews voted for Jill Stein. :jesuslol:

[kwame k]

I guess you of all people would know who Dave voted for, Your Holiness;)

[Jesus Christ]

I guess you of all people would know who Dave voted for, Your Holiness;)

Verily, I do. But I will not betray the sacredness of the secret ballot.

[kwame k]

If we can't trust you......we're all screwed:)

[envy_me]

If he's still in Japan, he maybe didn't even vote...

[Jesus Christ]

If he's still in Japan, he maybe didn't even vote...

He could have voted absentee, like I did (Registered to vote in Bethlehem PA, currently residing in Heaven)

[vh rides again]

Dave is for sure a republican.

The guy has worked his ass off his whole life, unlike all the self entitlement welfare fucks that need the Democratic Party to help them feed their fat fucking lazy asses.

Fuck off.


Roth And Roll

[Satan]

I doubt very much that David Lee Roth is a Republican.

But that's OK... you guys still have Hagar. And his lunatic friend Ted......

http://www.redrocker.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/gallery_large/images/DSCI1161.JPG

[envy_me]

Dave is for sure a republican.

The guy has worked his ass off his whole life


Roth And Roll


Yeah, he has had a rough life, filled with struggles.

[envy_me]

I doubt very much that David Lee Roth is a Republican.

But that's OK... you guys still have Hagar. And his lunatic friend Ted......

http://www.redrocker.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/gallery_large/images/DSCI1161.JPG


Hahahaha, fantastic :D

[Nitro Express]

and he deeply hates chaim witz... :biggrin:

That's right. I forgot. It's in the book. Dave accused Chaim of trying to steal Eddie.

[envy_me]

He hates him for real? Oooh, Dave, I love you!!!

[DONNIEP]

Yeah, he has had a rough life, filled with struggles.

Depends on one's defintion of "a rough life filled with struggles".

[Nitro Express]

You think that's weird? Try this on: Alice Cooper is a Romney fan. Yes, Alice Cooper. The guy that conservative politicians painted as the second coming of the devil-not to mention liberal politicians-is a supporter of a guy whose views on transgender issues (like a guy calling himself Alice) have moved from slightly progressive to the Dark Ages.

A bit less surprising, perhaps, is the support for Romney by Rush, Sammy Hagar, Joe Perry of Aerosmith and the surviving members of Lynard Skynard. But then again, Rush, Hagar, Aerosmith and Lynard Skynard never really had anything to do with rock as revolution. Corporate rock the whole way, so there's not surprise or shock there, I guess.

Kid Rock. Ted Nugent. Well, those guys were never even rock stars anyway. One and a half hit wonders who never put out anything of value. In other words: the Frankie Avalon and Paul Anka of their day.



Looks like Sam voted for Romney.

[vandeleur]

Yeah , am sure dave's dad is a surgeon and he bought the family home and its the mojo dojo which ain't a little apartment.
So they wasn't short of bank when he grew up .

[envy_me]

Depends on one's defintion of "a rough life filled with struggles".

I'd choose his life over mine any day.

Sure, Dave supports himself. But an average person works harder and doesn't have nearly as much money. I work 5 days a week, whole day and I can hardly support myself. And my work isn't as much fun as his.

So how many hours per day efficiant work for the money do you think he does? Per average? How many days a week? And how often does he get a vacation?
I don't mind him having a great life, but you can't really say he "works his ass off".

[DONNIEP]

Yeah , am sure dave's dad is a surgeon and he bought the family home and its the mojo dojo which ain't a little apartment.
So they wasn't short of bank when he grew up .

Too true. But he paid his dues before VH hit. Although I would certainly enjoy enduring those same "struggles" if I had half a chance :biggrin:

[Nitro Express]

Yeah , am sure dave's dad is a surgeon and he bought the family home and its the mojo dojo which ain't a little apartment.
So they wasn't short of bank when he grew up .

Dave's dad bought old real estate, fixed it up and flipped it. One place he used to own is now a big house that used for wedding receptions.

[envy_me]

Too true. But he paid his dues before VH hit. Although I would certainly enjoy enduring those same "struggles" if I had half a chance :biggrin:

Dave didn't pay his dues, his dad did.

[Nitro Express]

I'd choose his life over mine any day.

Sure, Dave supports himself. But an average person works harder and doesn't have nearly as much money. I work 5 days a week, whole day and I can hardly support myself. And my work isn't as much fun as his.

So how many hours per day efficiant work for the money do you think he does? Per average? How many days a week? And how often does he get a vacation?
I don't mind him having a great life, but you can't really say he "works his ass off".

Look what kind of shape he is in. He's not lazy. He just has the luxury to have more choices. Dave is a Bohemian. Much like the rich kids you see in New York City living on their trust funds. They usually live in a loft or apartment in a trendy neighborhood and do art type shit. They don't have to worry about paying the rent or keeping a job. But sometimes that family money can come with some strings that invades your freedom.

[Nitro Express]

I doubt very much that David Lee Roth is a Republican.

But that's OK... you guys still have Hagar. And his lunatic friend Ted......

http://www.redrocker.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/gallery_large/images/DSCI1161.JPG
You know where Sam's hand is. Stroke me! Stroke me!

[DONNIEP]

I'd choose his life over mine any day.

Sure, Dave supports himself. But an average person works harder and doesn't have nearly as much money. I work 5 days a week, whole day and I can hardly support myself. And my work isn't as much fun as his.

So how many hours per day efficiant work for the money do you think he does? Per average? How many days a week? And how often does he get a vacation?
I don't mind him having a great life, but you can't really say he "works his ass off".

I can dig what you're saying. But the dude did take a big chance by choosing to make show biz his life. And he did work hard to get where he is and he did pay his dues. Sure, the payoff is pretty fucking awesome. But what were the odds? And as far as how many hours per did he work per day back in the day when VH were on top of the world - how many hours do you really think he worked? Two a night, on show nights?

[envy_me]

Look what kind of shape he is in. He's not lazy. He just has the luxury to have more choices. Dave is a Bohemian. Much like the rich kids you see in New York City living on their trust funds. They usually live in a loft or apartment in a trendy neighborhood and do art type shit. They don't have to worry about paying the rent or keeping a job. But sometimes that family money can come with some strings that invades your freedom.


I didn't say he was lazy. But his great shape is a result of a hobby. Hobbys don't categorize under hard work, they are recreation.

[envy_me]

I can dig what you're saying. But the dude did take a big chance by choosing to make show biz his life. And he did work hard to get where he is and he did pay his dues. Sure, the payoff is pretty fucking awesome. But what were the odds? And as far as how many hours per did he work per day back in the day when VH were on top of the world - how many hours do you really think he worked? Two a night, on show nights?

It's easy to take a chance when you have economic stability secured.

[DONNIEP]

Dave didn't pay his dues, his dad did.

Really? Are you saying his dad greased his way to the top?

[Nitro Express]

I didn't say he was lazy. But his great shape is a result of a hobby. Hobbys don't categorize under hard work, they are recreation.
Some people make their hobby their work. I would say Dave did that. I bet when Dave works it's long days and nights. I bet it's intense. But he can take big breaks from work. Like for years. LOL! I bet on the road and prepping for the tour we might be amazed at how much work it really is.

[DONNIEP]

It's easy to take a chance when you have economic stability secured.

Ha!! That's a joke!! Ok, seriously. Are you saying that IF Dave had completely failed at music, that his Dad would have just footed the bill for the rest of his life?

[envy_me]

Really? Are you saying his dad greased his way to the top?


Nope, that's not what I said. Making it and paying your dues are two different things.

[Nitro Express]

It's easy to take a chance when you have economic stability secured.

The Van Halens didn't have that.. Ed drove an old Volvo with lousy brakes and rope to tie the doors shut. Their parents had no money.

[envy_me]

Ha!! That's a joke!! Ok, seriously. Are you saying that IF Dave had completely failed at music, that his Dad would have just footed the bill for the rest of his life?


What had that got to do with anything???? You said he took a chance, well it's easier when you know you won't starve even if you fail.

[envy_me]

The Van Halens didn't have that.. Ed drove an old Volvo with lousy brakes and rope to tie the doors shut. Their parents had no money.


I know that, but we are talking about Dave now.

[Nitro Express]

Ha!! That's a joke!! Ok, seriously. Are you saying that IF Dave had completely failed at music, that his Dad would have just footed the bill for the rest of his life?

If Dr. Roth loaned Dave money, he made Dave sign a contract to pay it back. Dave's dad just didn't throw money at Dave. I think there were some rules in the Roth home.

[DONNIEP]

What had that got to do with anything???? You said he took a chance, well it's easier when you know you won't starve even if you fail.

So you're saying that if he failed he could have went crawling back to mommy and daddy to feed and clothe him and that's why he chose to do the music thing? Because regardless of the outcome he was assured of a comfortable place to live?

[Nitro Express]

The thing is. You either have it or you don't. You can't polish a turd. Dave had it. Also, a spoiled rich kid would have quit. It's work playing dive bars and parties for years; especially, when you are in college and have to carry your own equipment around. Some guys in here have done that I'm sure. It's work.

[DONNIEP]

The thing is. You either have it or you don't. You can't polish a turd. Dave had it. Also, a spoiled rich kid would have quit. It's work playing dive bars and parties for years; especially, when you are in college and have to carry your own equipment around. Some guys in here have done that I'm sure. It's work.

Zackly.

[envy_me]

If Dr. Roth loaned Dave money, he made Dave sign a contract to pay it back. Dave's dad just didn't throw money at Dave. I think there were some rules in the Roth home.


Do you get the difference between Daves situation and a situation where someone more or less has to take a secure, steady job in order to eat and have a roof over their head?

[vandeleur]

We all know how driven Dave is , if he didn't get a break in music he would have been as equally successful at whatever he chose to do .
He seems to be pretty good at art I bet he can act , he probably has a novel or two in him and he just about does stand up now if people put a camera on him .

[envy_me]

The thing is. You either have it or you don't. You can't polish a turd. Dave had it. Also, a spoiled rich kid would have quit. It's work playing dive bars and parties for years; especially, when you are in college and have to carry your own equipment around. Some guys in here have done that I'm sure. It's work.


Aaaww, he carried his amp around in school. THAT is rough.

I never said Dave doesn't have it. Oh, god he has it. But saying that he is working his ass off is exaggerating.

[Nitro Express]

Do you get the difference between Daves situation and a situation where someone more or less has to take a secure, steady job in order to eat and have a roof over their head? Just because you have rich parents doesn't mean you are going to come home and camp around. Yes you have a place to stay if you are down and out but most parents would do that. My dad was rich. Believe me, he didn't toss money at us kids. His business partner did. None of his kids amounted to anything because they were spoiled. My dad didn't want to do that to us.

The only difference was our house was bigger. Big deal. It was go out and be a man and make something of yourself.

[Nitro Express]

Aaaww, he carried his amp around in school. THAT is rough.

I never said Dave doesn't have it. Oh, god he has it. But saying that he is working his ass off is exaggerating.

He carried huge PA speakers. Every night he had a gig. By himself. They aren't light weight honey. It's like moving all the furniture in a small home every night. My bass cab alone is like moving a refrigerator. The guys in here who have giged without roadies will tell you the same.

[envy_me]

He carried huge PA speakers. Every night he had a gig. By himself. They aren't light weight honey. It's like moving all the furniture in a small home every night. My bass cab alone is like moving a refrigerator. The guys in here who have giged without roadies will tell you the same.


So? Me and the girl I work with carried in 8 pallets full of books this monday. Took us four days to sort it out, and we still have stuff to do. And we have to sell and be nice to people while we do it. And I don't get to fuck with herds of men after that. Or smoke a joint. Or get a lot of money.

I am not complaining. And if I was in his situation I'd do exactly what he does too. But working his ass off?? Please. No wonder republicans lost, you are totally out of touch with reality.

[DONNIEP]

Do you get the difference between Daves situation and a situation where someone more or less has to take a secure, steady job in order to eat and have a roof over their head?

And playing 5 nights a week to half empty bars, splitting the take four ways is any different? Except for the fact that you'd be making probably half of what you make, if you're lucky.

[vandeleur]

The collective term for men is group ... Herd !?!?! How sexist :biggrin:

[envy_me]

And playing 5 nights a week to half empty bars, splitting the take four ways is any different? Except for the fact that you'd be making probably half of what you make, if you're lucky.


Mmm, my dad and my brother are musicians. Imagine now that that half empty bar they are playing in is in rough part of pre-war Bosnia, your audience are all armed and drunk/high, agressive and pull a gun at you to play them a certain song.
Stories they have to tell...

Oh and then you go home and get ready for your day job.

[envy_me]

The collective term for men is group ... Herd !?!?! How sexist :biggrin:


Sorry :D

[DONNIEP]

Mmm, my dad and my brother are musicians. Imagine now that that half empty bar they are playing in is in rough part of pre-war Bosnia, your audience are all armed and drunk/high, agressive and pull a gun at you to play them a certain song.
Stories they have to tell...

Oh and then you go home and get ready for your day job.

Ok, you win. Dave had it made his whole life and just because your family had the misfortune to live in Bosnia means that everyone else who had the good luck to be born somewhere else is somehow less of a hard worker. Or am I missing the point? I could be :biggrin:

[Nitro Express]

Mmm, my dad and my brother are musicians. Imagine now that that half empty bar they are playing in is in rough part of pre-war Bosnia, your audience are all armed and drunk/high, agressive and pull a gun at you to play them a certain song.
Stories they have to tell...

Oh and then you go home and get ready for your day job.

Sounds like a gig at Walter Mitty's.

[envy_me]

Ok, you win. Dave had it made his whole life and just because your family had the misfortune to live in Bosnia means that everyone else who had the good luck to be born somewhere else is somehow less of a hard worker. Or am I missing the point? I could be :biggrin:


Or being born black in the US, been discriminated against your whole life and then some upper class jerk shows no understanding at all and says "quit whining and do something, see I did it, it's not so hard. Do as a rock star and work your ass off"

[DONNIEP]

Envy - check your PM in a few minutes..

[Nitro Express]

We are a diversified country. We have black upper class jerks as well. Go to Prince George County south of Washington DC and you will run into a few of them. Mostly lawyers.

[Satan]

We are a diversified country. We have black upper class jerks as well.

Yeah, but hopefully we'll never hear from Allen West again, once the dumb son of a teabagging bitch admits he lost his election.

[envy_me]

...and I haven't even told you the worst part about my job. Who ever lives above the shop is listening to Van Hagar on the highest volume at evenings :'( Imagine carrying in 8 pallets of notebooks to the tones of repressed toilet sounds with the melody of Why can't this be love :'( THAT is hard work, my friends....

[DONNIEP]

...and I haven't even told you the worst part about my job. Who ever lives above the shop is listening to Van Hagar on the highest volume at evenings :'( Imagine carrying in 8 pallets of notebooks to the tones of repressed toilet sounds with the melody of Why can't this be love :'( THAT is hard work, my friends....

You should save up the money to move to So Cal and bring 300 bucks in cash with you. I guarantee you could find a full-time job and a part-time job within a month. I did it so it can't be that hard :gulp:

[Nitro Express]

...and I haven't even told you the worst part about my job. Who ever lives above the shop is listening to Van Hagar on the highest volume at evenings :'( Imagine carrying in 8 pallets of notebooks to the tones of repressed toilet sounds with the melody of Why can't this be love :'( THAT is hard work, my friends....

Well sweetie I'm impressed. 8 pallets of books is a lot and then getting them all sorted while dealing with pesky customers and having to hear Hagar which is a toilet sound in itself. Just remember it takes a job to find a better job. When I hire people the first thing I want to know is what their work ethic is like. I don't know about your country but people have gotten lazy here. Especially the younger kids.

If you really hate your job, I dedicate this to you.

[Nitro Express]

You should save up the money to move to So Cal and bring 300 bucks in cash with you. I guarantee you could find a full-time job and a part-time job within a month. I did it so it can't be that hard :gulp:

Are you a movie producer in the San Fernando Valley?:biggrin: Don't do it Envy. You are too nice of a girl.

[DONNIEP]

Are you a movie producer in the San Fernando Valley?:biggrin: Don't do it Envy. You are too nice of a girl.



No, but I should be :biggrin:

[envy_me]

Haha, thanks Donnie, but I don't know. I am too camera shy :D


And about Van Hagar, I am seriously considering putting up a note in the staircase :angryone:

[Nickdfresh]

David Lee Roth is the very epitome of American Capitalism. You buy his stuff and he makes money. He doesn't do it for free. :gulp:


Actually, Sammy Hagar is...

http://sharemyplaylists.com/images/albums/334489.jpg

[vandeleur]

Fucking ed vertisment halen is
.. You can't by Dave sneakers , pj's etc if you can stripe it ed will flog it ....
Shit has he done red and white stripped toothpaste yet :biggrin:

[vh rides again]

So? Me and the girl I work with carried in 8 pallets full of books this monday. Took us four days to sort it out, and we still have stuff to do. And we have to sell and be nice to people while we do it. And I don't get to fuck with herds of men after that. Or smoke a joint. Or get a lot of money.

I am not complaining. And if I was in his situation I'd do exactly what he does too. But working his ass off?? Please. No wonder republicans lost, you are totally out of touch with reality.

Ok since you have a problem with what I said.
Take what Dave, Ed and al said a few months back.
When vanhalen had made it "BIG"
After the first album , they owed templman or whoever it was that produced the album 1 million dollars.

They were what most people would call broke.

So for all the late nights singing dancing and fucking, they were 1 million dollars in debt.

That sounds to me like a losing proposition. only a hard working mother fucker that truly had a dream, and was willing to work for it would continue to do.
Dave's not a quitter, he went from the US fest to playing the rib fest for gods sake and he's still Diamond Dave .

There are plenty of people in this country that if they woke up with Dave's money this morning , would commit suicide.
So yes I will stick to my thought that he worked very hard for what he has built.






Roth And Roll

[Zing!]

Ha!! That's a joke!! Ok, seriously. Are you saying that IF Dave had completely failed at music, that his Dad would have just footed the bill for the rest of his life?

If Dave failed at music, I bet his life would have turned out like the lyrics to That's Life... "I've been a puppet, a poet, a pirate, a pauper - now I'm a king! Been up and down and over and out..."

Or maybe it has anyway...

[Seshmeister]

I think more like Sensible Shoes.

He would have been a salesman.

[Yount]

Sure, the payoff is pretty fucking awesome. But what were the odds?

100% don't you doubt it

[ashstralia]

Uh, game show host? :)

[Seshmeister]

To get back to the topic I doubt he would have voted.

When he was asked about it on the radio show a few times he always replied "meet the new boss, same as the old boss".

Plus he seems to like a low profile and California isn't exactly a swing state so why go through the hassle?

I almost never made this post because who gives a fuck anyway?

[envy_me]

To get back to the topic I doubt he would have voted.

When he was asked about it on the radio show a few times he always replied "meet the new boss, same as the old boss".

Plus he seems to like a low profile and California isn't exactly a swing state so why go through the hassle?

I almost never made this post because who gives a fuck anyway?

Aaaaww Dave... I don't vote either :-) i love him <3

[ZahZoo]

The thing is. You either have it or you don't. You can't polish a turd. Dave had it. Also, a spoiled rich kid would have quit. It's work playing dive bars and parties for years; especially, when you are in college and have to carry your own equipment around. Some guys in here have done that I'm sure. It's work.

Hell yes, it's work... especially if you are making a serious go at it.

Typical week in my early 20's... Up at 7am Mon - Fri... work day job 8am - 6 or 7pm. Go to the practice studio, load the truck with our gear. Hit the venue. Unload and set-up the gear. Sound check at 8:30. Perform until 1-1:30am. Load the gear. Drive back. Unload the gear... Go home and get maybe 4 hours sleep... then repeat. Weekends usually involved after show parties that went until dawn... Sat & Sun afternoons involved practice or recording session if we weren't playing weddings or other crap. About once a month we may get a Sunday off and sleep for 16 hours...

I did that routine for about 5 years... my day job relocated me to another state and at that point I decided my career in IT had a better outlook and I could actually sleep sometimes.

As Nitro mentioned... back in those days even if your parents were doing well... you were expected to get out and make your own life. Mom kept the silver spoon in here memory box... Dad told ya to get out and work for a living. Simple as that.