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BigBadBrian
12-07-2012, 08:27 AM
LANSING, Mich. — Republicans slammed right-to-work legislation through the Michigan House and Senate Thursday, drawing raucous protests from throngs of stunned union supporters, whose outnumbered Democratic allies were powerless to stop it.
Just hours after they were introduced, both chambers approved measures prohibiting private unions from requiring that nonunion employees pay fees. The Senate quickly followed by voting to impose the same requirement on most public unions.

Although rumors had circulated for weeks that right-to-work measures might surface during the session's waning days, the speed with which the GOP-dominated Legislature acted Thursday caught many onlookers by surprise. Details of the bills weren't made publicly available until they were read aloud on both floors as debate began.

The chaos drew raucous protests from hundreds of union supporters, some of whom were pepper-sprayed by police when they tried to storm the Senate chamber.

Because of rules requiring a five-day delay between votes in the two chambers on the same legislation, final enactment could not take place until Tuesday at the earliest. Republican Gov. Rick Snyder, who previously had said repeatedly that right-to-work was "not on my agenda," told reporters Thursday he would sign the measures.

Democrats denounced the bills as an attack on worker rights, but the GOP sponsor insisted they would boost the economy and jobs. A House vote on public-sector unions was expected to come later.

A victory in Michigan would give the right-to-work movement its strongest foothold yet in the Rust Belt region, where organized labor already has suffered several body blows. Republicans in Indiana and Wisconsin recently pushed through legislation curbing union rights, sparking massive protests.

Even before the Michigan bills turned up, protesters streamed inside the Capitol preparing for what appeared inevitable after Snyder, House Speaker Jase Bolger and Senate Minority Leader Randy Richardville announced at a news conference they were putting the issue on a fast track.

"This is all about taking care of the hard-working workers in Michigan, being pro-worker and giving them freedom to make choices," Snyder said.

"The goal isn't to divide Michigan, it is to bring Michigan together," Snyder said.

But Democrats said the legislation — and Republicans' tactics — would poison the state's political atmosphere.

Lt. Gov. Brian Calley repeatedly gaveled for order during the Senate debate as Democrats attacked the legislation to applause from protesters in the galley. At one point, a man shouted, "Heil Hitler! Heil Hitler! That's what you people are." He was quickly escorted out. Another later yelled, "We will remember in November."

Eight people were arrested for resisting and obstructing when they tried to push past two troopers guarding the Senate door, state police Inspector Gene Adamczyk said.

Protesters waved placards and chanted slogans such as "Union buster" and "Right-to-work has got to go." Adamczyk said the troopers used pepper spray after the people refused to obey orders to stop.

The Capitol, which was temporarily closed because of safety concerns, reopened Thursday afternoon, sending hundreds of protesters streaming back inside with chants of, "Whose house? Our house!" Adamczyk said a judge ordered the building reopened.

The decision to push forward in the waning days of the Legislature's lame-duck session infuriated outnumbered Democrats, who resorted to parliamentary maneuvers to slow action but were powerless to block the bills.

House Democrats did walk out briefly Thursday in protest of the Capitol being closed.

Adamczyk estimated that about 2,500 visitors were inside the Capitol, where their shouts reverberated off stone halls and frequently could be heard inside the ornate chambers.

After repeatedly insisting during his first two years in office that right-to-work was not on his agenda, Snyder reversed course Thursday, a month after voters defeated a ballot initiative that would have barred such measures under the state constitution.

In an interview with The Associated Press, Snyder said he had kept the issue at arm's length while pursuing other programs to bolster the state economy. But he said circumstances had pushed the matter to the forefront.

"It is a divisive issue," he acknowledged. "But it was already being divisive over the past few weeks, so let's get this resolved. Let's reach a conclusion that's in the best interests of all."

Also influencing his decision, he said, were reports that some 90 companies had decided to locate in Indiana since that state adopted right-to-work legislation. "That's thousands of jobs, and we want to have that kind of success in Michigan," he said.

Snyder and the GOP leaders insisted the legislation was not meant to weaken unions or collective bargaining, saying it would make unions more responsive to their members.

Senate Democratic leader Gretchen Whitmer said she was "livid."

"These guys have lied to us all along the way," she said. "They are pushing through the most divisive legislation they could come up with in the dark of night, at the end of a lame-duck session and then they're going to hightail it out of town. It's cowardly."

Republicans have commanding majorities in both chambers — 64-46 in the House and 26-12 in the Senate. Under their rules, only a simple majority of members elected and serving must be present to have a quorum and conduct business. For that reason, Democrats acknowledged that boycotting sessions and going into hiding, as some lawmakers in neighboring Indiana and Wisconsin have done in recent years to stall legislation unpopular with unions, would be futile in Michigan.

Throngs of protesters spent weeks outside capitol buildings in those states, clashing over union rights.

"We will not have another Wisconsin in Michigan," Adamczyk said. "People are allowed to protest, but they need to do in a peaceful manner." LINK (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-michigan-right-to-work-20121207,0,6331751.story)

Nickdfresh
12-07-2012, 10:27 AM
Ah yes, the continued War on the Middle Class...

BigBadBrian
12-07-2012, 10:50 AM
Ah yes, the continued War on the Middle Class...

How do you fiGure?

Why should people pay to work by forcibly joining a union and having their money go to political candidates they don't approve of as well as the fat-cat union officials making 6 figures?

Making union membership voluntary is true economic freedom. :gulp:

Nickdfresh
12-07-2012, 11:07 AM
How do you fiGure?

because it's just a cynical way to drive down wages...


Why should people pay to work by forcibly joining a union and having their money go to political candidates they don't approve of...

Why should people have to do anything in order to get or keep a job? Why can't people tell their boss to go fuck himself, sexually harass coworkers, and generally not conform to company standards by freely speaking their minds? Is anyone putting a gun to their head forcing them into these horrible union jobs?


...as well as the fat-cat union officials making 6 figures?

What's your source for this? The "union" guys I've known always made significantly less than $100G's. Why should workers have to support a vastly over-payed CEO with a hugely inflated salary from what he or she was getting 20 or even 10 years ago?


Making union membership voluntary is true economic freedom. :gulp:

So is being able to tell your boss to fuck himself while at work, posting gossip about your company online while after-work, and a whole host of shit that is really a violation of the freedom of speech. If someone wants the wages and benefits unions have fought for in the union job, then they need to join a union to hold that job. Otherwise go work at Wal-Mart, they don't have a union...

SunisinuS
12-07-2012, 11:57 AM
"Right to Work" is just a tactic to avoid labor laws and reduce worikers back to the status of cattle....no one is fooled.

Nickdfresh
12-07-2012, 12:29 PM
Why don't people like BigDumbBrian just be honest even though they're are by and large ranting against their own middle class interests on behalf of a caste of corporatist and conservative "intellectuals" that fundamentally mistrust the American middle class and want to send us back to the days of the Robber-barons and The Concrete Jungle prior to entitlement programs and labor laws - where people only worked six days a week if they were lucky, had no effective means of a pension or medical care, and were essentially worked to death...

Satan
12-07-2012, 01:51 PM
And just in case anybody hadn't already figured this out, you know who's behind this bullshit, right???

Koch Brothers' Americans for Prosperity are leading the charge for Snyder's 'right-to-work' bill
1:50 PM, December 6, 2012
By Greg Gardner
Detroit Free Press Business Writer


Gov. Snyder's right-to-work initiative has the coordinated support of Americans for Prosperity, the conservative non-profit organization that funded Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker's efforts to strip that state's public employee unions of their collective bargaining rights.

AFP was founded by wealthy industrialists Charles and David Koch. Their business interests in Wisconsin include a branch of their pulp and paper giant Georgia-Pacific, a coal subsidiary, timber plants and a pipeline network.

“Michigan passage of right-to-work legislation will be the shot heard around the world for workplace freedom," AFP said in a press release Thursday. "A victory over forced unionization in a union stronghold like Michigan would be an unprecedented win on par with Wisconsin that would pave the way for right to work in states across our nation." :meinsmiley:

The organization's sister organization, Americans for Prosperity Foundation, has produced a 15-page booklet titled "Unions: The Good, the Bad and the Ugly: How forced unionization has harmed workers and Michigan."

AFP also recruited 300 supporters to demonstrate in favor of Gov. Snyder's proposed bill, just as organized unions rallied their members in opposition.

Asked how much AFP has contributed to support the right-to-work bill, spokeswoman Annie Patnaude said, "I need to check with my boss, but so far we have offered our supporters cookies and coffee."

In addition to the brochure, AFP's web site declared Dec. 6 "Workplace Freedom Lobby Day 2," and urged members to show up at the state Capitol in Lansing between 10 a.m. and 3 p.m. today.

It's seriously time to go 18th century France on these Kochsuckers!:fighting0043:

BigBadBrian
12-08-2012, 05:47 AM
Why don't people like BigDumbBrian just be honest even though they're are by and large ranting against their own middle class interests on behalf of a caste of corporatist and conservative "intellectuals" that fundamentally mistrust the American middle class and want to send us back to the days of the Robber-barons and The Concrete Jungle prior to entitlement programs and labor laws - where people only worked six days a week if they were lucky, had no effective means of a pension or medical care, and were essentially worked to death...

#1

I'm going to start numbering the lame-assed arguments liberals come up with. They only have a few and their all the same for every issue.

Nickdfresh
12-08-2012, 10:24 AM
#1

I'm going to start numbering the lame-assed arguments liberals come up with. They only have a few and their all the same for every issue.

BigDumbBrian's tactic #1: has no counterargument, so he just throws out the same silly denunciation of argument with no logic or point...

jhale667
12-11-2012, 08:37 PM
http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h217/jhale667/68606_10151161756415669_1581005725_.jpg

Va Beach VH Fan
12-11-2012, 10:36 PM
These people crossed the line, I hope they throw their ass in jail... Absolutely no reason for violence....

FORD
12-11-2012, 10:44 PM
I wouldn't take that video too seriously. That asshole Steve Crowder is another cheap stunt propagandist manipulator like Pimpy O'keefe, Breitfart, or Phil ParlocKKK.

I'm sure it was heavily edited to make him look like the victim.

matt19
12-11-2012, 11:27 PM
How do you fiGure?

Why should people pay to work by forcibly joining a union and having their money go to political candidates they don't approve of as well as the fat-cat union officials making 6 figures?

Making union membership voluntary is true economic freedom. :gulp:

As an actual member of a Union, Right to Work does nothing but make it available to people to reap the benefits of collective bargaining without contributing for the cause.

SunisinuS
12-11-2012, 11:38 PM
As an actual member of a Union, Right to Work does nothing but make it available to people to reap the benefits of collective bargaining without contributing for the cause.

Divide and Conquer. The memo to the marketers of the Republican Party Machine has always been to label the argument, define "Us vs Them", and then act like the battle lines have been drawn in Black and White. Reference your old High School debate class where you had to argue "Pro-Life" vs what, "Pro-Death"? No one in the abortion argument is Pro-Death unless you think it "reduces the surplus population" and we all know which Party that Character would vote for.

So "Right to Work" is that very Memo. Now, let's flash forward to the results and ponder why the Reddest State in the Union (Utah) has been a right to work state for years. For the Republican Machine the ends (control of the work force with no sass-back) JUSTIFY (money) the means (the big lie).

Argue that one over your (War on) Christmas Table.

:smiley-sniffer:

matt19
12-11-2012, 11:40 PM
Divide and Conquer. The memo to the marketers of the Republican Party Machine has always been to label the argument, define "Us vs Them", and then act like the battle lines have been drawn in Black and White. Reference your old High School debate class where you had to argue "Pro-Life" vs what, "Pro-Death"? No one in the abortion argument is Pro-Death unless you think it "reduces the surplus population" and we all know which Party that Character would vote for.

So "Right to Work" is that very Memo. Now, let's flash forward to the results and ponder why the Reddest State in the Union (Utah) has been a right to work state for years. For the Republican Machine the ends (control of the work force with no sass-back) JUSTIFY (money) the means (the big lie).

Argue that one over your (War on) Christmas Table.

:smiley-sniffer:

Agreed.

BigBadBrian
12-12-2012, 06:06 AM
Right to Work does nothing but make it available to people to reap the benefits of collective bargaining without contributing for the cause.

So...your point?

BITEYOASS
12-12-2012, 08:37 AM
I wouldn't take that video too seriously. That asshole Steve Crowder is another cheap stunt propagandist manipulator like Pimpy O'keefe, Breitfart, or Phil ParlocKKK.

I'm sure it was heavily edited to make him look like the victim.

Frankly, I've always wanted to punch Steve Crowder in the face for other reasons as well.

BITEYOASS
12-12-2012, 09:09 AM
Plus this ain't Wisconsin! They don't get violent at the drop of the hat like New York, but Michigan has been known to flip out if you do something that really pisses them off.

BigBadBrian
12-12-2012, 09:38 AM
Plus this ain't Wisconsin! They don't get violent at the drop of the hat like New York, but Michigan has been known to flip out if you do something that really pisses them off.

You forgot one thing...these are union goons. They DO get violent at the drop[ of a hat.

FORD
12-12-2012, 03:31 PM
http://upload.democraticunderground.com/imgs/home/121212-gov-rick-snyder-man-of-his-word.jpg

FORD
12-12-2012, 03:33 PM
Is this a "Todd Akin" moment for pRick Snyder? Let's hope so.....

FORD
12-12-2012, 03:38 PM
And let's not forget this quote from a well known conservative politician...


"We must close union offices, confiscate their money and put their
leaders in prison. We must reduce workers salaries and take away their
right to strike.” - A. Hitler, 1933

BigBadBrian
12-13-2012, 05:06 AM
And let's not forget this quote from a well known conservative politician...

Hitler was not a conservative. Why do you post such stupid shit? That's like saying Stalin was a liberal.

Matt White
12-13-2012, 09:58 AM
Hitler was not a conservative. Why do you post such stupid shit? That's like saying Stalin was a liberal.

Truth hurt???

Nickdfresh
12-13-2012, 10:13 AM
I wonder why police and fire unions were exempted from all this? :cop:

Nickdfresh
12-13-2012, 10:15 AM
Hitler was not a conservative...

Neither are about 75% of the people who claim to be...

BigBadBrian
12-13-2012, 10:56 AM
Neither are about 75% of the people who claim to be...

Maybe, but there's quite a few shades in the political spectrum. For example, FORD is always bitching that certain Democrats aren't really Democrats. He just needs to realize that all Democrats aren't as whacked-out to the Left as he is.

FORD
12-13-2012, 11:39 AM
Hitler was not a conservative.

Well, let's see....

Hitler was funded by the BCE, he was a racist warmonger, he was anti-union and all about the merging of corporations and the state.

Sounds exactly like the current Repuke party to me.

FORD
12-13-2012, 05:27 PM
I wouldn't take that video too seriously. That asshole Steve Crowder is another cheap stunt propagandist manipulator like Pimpy O'keefe, Breitfart, or Phil ParlocKKK.

I'm sure it was heavily edited to make him look like the victim.

....just as I said. It's a fucking FAUX fraud!!

FORD
12-13-2012, 05:33 PM
Further reference to the Hitler quote and right wing hatred of unions......

FORD
12-13-2012, 05:42 PM
Why the KKKochwhore's assault on Michigan is worse than their assault on Wisconsin....

Guitar Shark
12-13-2012, 06:02 PM
Hitler was a fascist.

philouze
12-13-2012, 06:05 PM
Hitler was a fascist.

Nah, I wouldn't say that. He's the guy who said "When you lose your keys, you want to kill everybody".
OK, I'm out.

FORD
12-13-2012, 06:10 PM
Hitler was a fascist.

and fascism is defined as the corporatist takeover of the state. Which pretty much describes what's happened to this country over the last 32 years (greatly accelerated in the last 12)

Guitar Shark
12-13-2012, 06:34 PM
and fascism is defined as the corporatist takeover of the state. Which pretty much describes what's happened to this country over the last 32 years (greatly accelerated in the last 12)

Merriam Webster definition:
fas·cism

1

often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/autocratic) government headed by a dictatorial (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/dictatorial) leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition

2
: a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control <early instances of army fascism and brutality — J. W. Aldridge>

FORD
12-13-2012, 06:48 PM
I'm guessing that version of the dictionary was published after the year 2000. They changed the definitions right around then.... soon after an international bankster (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacqui_Safra) bought the company.

Just a coincidence, I'm sure.

Guitar Shark
12-13-2012, 06:50 PM
LOL! You crack me up, man.

FORD
12-13-2012, 06:56 PM
American Heritage Dictionary:
fas·cism

(făsh'ĭz'əm) pronunciation
n.

often Fascism

A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.

A political philosophy or movement based on or advocating such a system of government.

Oppressive, dictatorial control.

Guitar Shark
12-13-2012, 07:05 PM
I don't really see a significant difference between the definitions by the different dictionaries, do you?

What I was really taking issue with was your inclusion of "corporatist takeover" as part of the definition. I'm not a fan of corporatism either, but I don't think it's part of the definition of fascism.

Hardrock69
12-17-2012, 02:28 PM
http://www.upworthy.com/a-politician-loses-it-on-the-state-house-floor-says-what-all-of-us-are-thinking?g=2&c=bl3

Satan
12-17-2012, 02:37 PM
posted here because all the farcebook & twatter popups at that site are goddamned annoying.

matt19
12-18-2012, 12:01 AM
So...your point?

Point is Republicans say that everyone carrying around "bottomfeeders" or the "47%" is wrong and that you earned your money and shouldnt have to part with it. When RTW is doing the exact opposite. Its have labor representation when you don't pay for it. Complain all you want about people feeding off the system, when RTW is exactly that.

Hardrock69
12-18-2012, 12:23 AM
posted here because all the farcebook & twatter popups at that site are goddamned annoying.

Thanks.

Hardrock69
12-18-2012, 12:26 AM
RTW IS feeding off the system.

But let me put it this way. When I worked for large aircraft manufacturers, it was in a RTW state.

I did not ask for union representation. I did not ask for them to "bargain" for me, etc.

They did it anyway.

So they have nothing to fucking bitch about.

If they do not want "freeloaders" getting the benefits of union bargaining, the union should just disband.

Or, they need to shut the fuck up! :mad: