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Seshmeister
01-14-2013, 07:56 PM
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

I'm not sure the US media is reporting this.

Instead of worrying about conspiracy bullshit people should be concentrating on real stuff which is pretty scary.

The FBI combined with the banks to infiltrate and destroy peaceful protest?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/dec/29/fbi-coordinated-crackdown-occupy


Revealed: how the FBI coordinated the crackdown on Occupy

New documents prove what was once dismissed as paranoid fantasy: totally integrated corporate-state repression of dissent


Naomi Wolf
guardian.co.uk, Saturday 29 December 2012


It was more sophisticated than we had imagined: new documents show that the violent crackdown on Occupy last fall – so mystifying at the time – was not just coordinated at the level of the FBI, the Department of Homeland Security, and local police. The crackdown, which involved, as you may recall, violent arrests, group disruption, canister missiles to the skulls of protesters, people held in handcuffs so tight they were injured, people held in bondage till they were forced to wet or soil themselves –was coordinated with the big banks themselves.

The Partnership for Civil Justice Fund, in a groundbreaking scoop that should once more shame major US media outlets (why are nonprofits now some of the only entities in America left breaking major civil liberties news?), filed this request. The document – reproduced here(link in original article) in an easily searchable format – shows a terrifying network of coordinated DHS, FBI, police, regional fusion center, and private-sector activity so completely merged into one another that the monstrous whole is, in fact, one entity: in some cases, bearing a single name, the Domestic Security Alliance Council. And it reveals this merged entity to have one centrally planned, locally executed mission. The documents, in short, show the cops and DHS working for and with banks to target, arrest, and politically disable peaceful American citizens.

The documents, released after long delay in the week between Christmas and New Year, show a nationwide meta-plot unfolding in city after city in an Orwellian world: six American universities are sites where campus police funneled information about students involved with OWS to the FBI, with the administrations' knowledge (p51); banks sat down with FBI officials to pool information about OWS protesters harvested by private security; plans to crush Occupy events, planned for a month down the road, were made by the FBI – and offered to the representatives of the same organizations that the protests would target; and even threats of the assassination of OWS leaders by sniper fire – by whom? Where? – now remain redacted and undisclosed to those American citizens in danger, contrary to standard FBI practice to inform the person concerned when there is a threat against a political leader (p61).

As Mara Verheyden-Hilliard, executive director of the PCJF, put it, the documents show that from the start, the FBI – though it acknowledges Occupy movement as being, in fact, a peaceful organization – nonetheless designated OWS repeatedly as a "terrorist threat":

"FBI documents just obtained by the Partnership for Civil Justice Fund (PCJF) … reveal that from its inception, the FBI treated the Occupy movement as a potential criminal and terrorist threat … The PCJF has obtained heavily redacted documents showing that FBI offices and agents around the country were in high gear conducting surveillance against the movement even as early as August 2011, a month prior to the establishment of the OWS encampment in Zuccotti Park and other Occupy actions around the country."

Verheyden-Hilliard points out the close partnering of banks, the New York Stock Exchange and at least one local Federal Reserve with the FBI and DHS, and calls it "police-statism":

"This production [of documents], which we believe is just the tip of the iceberg, is a window into the nationwide scope of the FBI's surveillance, monitoring, and reporting on peaceful protestors organizing with the Occupy movement … These documents also show these federal agencies functioning as a de facto intelligence arm of Wall Street and Corporate America."

The documents show stunning range: in Denver, Colorado, that branch of the FBI and a "Bank Fraud Working Group" met in November 2011 – during the Occupy protests – to surveil the group. The Federal Reserve of Richmond, Virginia had its own private security surveilling Occupy Tampa and Tampa Veterans for Peace and passing privately-collected information on activists back to the Richmond FBI, which, in turn, categorized OWS activities under its "domestic terrorism" unit. The Anchorage, Alaska "terrorism task force" was watching Occupy Anchorage. The Jackson, Mississippi "joint terrorism task force" was issuing a "counterterrorism preparedness alert" about the ill-organized grandmas and college sophomores in Occupy there. Also in Jackson, Mississippi, the FBI and the "Bank Security Group" – multiple private banks – met to discuss the reaction to "National Bad Bank Sit-in Day" (the response was violent, as you may recall). The Virginia FBI sent that state's Occupy members' details to the Virginia terrorism fusion center. The Memphis FBI tracked OWS under its "joint terrorism task force" aegis, too. And so on, for over 100 pages.

Jason Leopold, at Truthout.org, who has sought similar documents for more than a year, reported that the FBI falsely asserted in response to his own FOIA requests that no documents related to its infiltration of Occupy Wall Street existed at all. But the release may be strategic: if you are an Occupy activist and see how your information is being sent to terrorism task forces and fusion centers, not to mention the "longterm plans" of some redacted group to shoot you, this document is quite the deterrent.

There is a new twist: the merger of the private sector, DHS and the FBI means that any of us can become WikiLeaks, a point that Julian Assange was trying to make in explaining the argument behind his recent book. The fusion of the tracking of money and the suppression of dissent means that a huge area of vulnerability in civil society – people's income streams and financial records – is now firmly in the hands of the banks, which are, in turn, now in the business of tracking your dissent.

Remember that only 10% of the money donated to WikiLeaks can be processed – because of financial sector and DHS-sponsored targeting of PayPal data. With this merger, that crushing of one's personal or business financial freedom can happen to any of us. How messy, criminalizing and prosecuting dissent. How simple, by contrast, just to label an entity a "terrorist organization" and choke off, disrupt or indict its sources of financing.

Why the huge push for counterterrorism "fusion centers", the DHS militarizing of police departments, and so on? It was never really about "the terrorists". It was not even about civil unrest. It was always about this moment, when vast crimes might be uncovered by citizens – it was always, that is to say, meant to be about you.

Dr. Love
01-14-2013, 08:40 PM
It was pretty obvious when the cities all cracked down on OWS on the same day. Our government was supporting the right of private citizens to assemble in countries like Egypt and breaking up protests in its own back yard at the same time. Shameful.

Seshmeister
01-14-2013, 08:52 PM
This when you have Black Jesus as president, a former civil rights attorney who used to lecture in constitutional law?

The irony is up there with Henry Kissinger winning a Nobel Peace Prize...

Dr. Love
01-14-2013, 08:58 PM
Or Obama winning it. :P

DONNIEP
01-14-2013, 08:58 PM
The rise of the police state...

jacksmar
01-14-2013, 09:34 PM
Soros funded Marxists prove they are not smarter than the FBI. They should have had the fire hoses turned on them after the week.

Shit supported by shit leaving shit behind.

http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/default/files/styles/image_content_width/hash/68/9b/689b6e72304c213890b376cf80458646.jpg

Nickdfresh
01-14-2013, 09:34 PM
This is sad and disgraceful, a legacy of the knee-jerk paranoia and corporatism starting to be codified against the Antiwar movement in the 60's and stemmed by the fallout of the 1970's and various investigations such as The Church Commission. It's pretty fucking awful that 9/11 has blinded people and allowed for this to be reborn.

Another concern is not only is this a basic affront to civil liberties combined with a fascist-lite fusion of state security organs with base corporate interests against what is a basic, nonviolent protest--it also is watering down the ability of the federal gov't to respond to real security threats and actual criminals...

Nickdfresh
01-14-2013, 09:35 PM
Soros funded Marxists prove they are not smarter than the FBI. They should have had the fire hoses turned on them after the week.

Shit supported by shit leaving shit behind.

http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/default/files/styles/image_content_width/hash/68/9b/689b6e72304c213890b376cf80458646.jpg

You're even dumber than Elvis...

Hardrock69
01-14-2013, 09:40 PM
Hey now...he put a lot of effort into not learning anything.....give credit where credit is due.

He is VERY SUCCESSFUL at being stoopid. :lmao:

Dr. Love
01-14-2013, 10:20 PM
Americans should be worried about the 2nd amendment ... it is the last resort to pushing back against a government intent on infringing on the 1st and other amendments.

Hardrock69
01-14-2013, 10:26 PM
I agree.

jhale667
01-14-2013, 10:33 PM
Americans should be worried about the 2nd amendment ... it is the last resort to pushing back against a government intent on infringing on the 1st and other amendments.


I agree with you on principle, but even if I have a dozen assault rifles and a crate of ammo I can't stop a tank or a drone from taking me out from a block away... just sayin'.

Seshmeister
01-14-2013, 10:37 PM
You have a much better chance of protecting your 2nd Amendment Rights using the 1st than trying to use the 2nd to protect the 1st!

Although personally if I was you I would amend the 2nd to get rid of it but I'm not American... :)

Dr. Love
01-14-2013, 10:38 PM
Well, I don't think it'd come to that ... I have a lot of hope that the military would refuse to attack our citizenry.

jhale667
01-14-2013, 10:43 PM
Well, I don't think it'd come to that ... I have a lot of hope that the military would refuse to attack our citizenry.

See, that's where this whole "tyrannical government" thing falls flat for me... you think the average soldier is gonna help raze some US neighborhood that wants to keep its guns, knowing full well the same thing is likely going on in his own neighborhood at the same moment - or will soon, at least? Thinkin' there'd be more than a few that would disobey that (unrealistic) order...

Dr. Love
01-14-2013, 10:49 PM
that's why it's "just in case/last resort"

lesfunk
01-14-2013, 10:56 PM
I don't see the disconnect between this and the "conspiracy bullshit". In fact this adds credence to some conspiracy arguments, doesn't it?

jhale667
01-14-2013, 11:00 PM
I don't see the disconnect between this and the "conspiracy bullshit". In fact this adds credence to some conspiracy arguments, doesn't it?

If you heard them on Alex Jones? NO. Just sayin'.

lesfunk
01-14-2013, 11:03 PM
But this does show a conspiracy between The Banks (who run things) and the Policia (the govt. stormtroopers)

ELVIS
01-15-2013, 01:00 AM
Americans should be worried about the 2nd amendment ...

Some are, but the rest have been duped by staged shootings...

LoungeMachine
01-15-2013, 01:05 AM
Some are, but the rest have been duped by staged shootings...

I'm not worried about the 2nd Amendment.....but I am beginning to believe you and your theories.

:gulp:

Keep up the good fight, and ignore the sheep

ELVIS
01-15-2013, 01:14 AM
Check out this current article from the Newtown Bee that says absolutely nothing exactly one month later...



Police Investigation Into Sandy Hook School Murders Progresses

Link (http://newtownbee.com/default.aspx)

By Andrew Gorosko



Police investigators this week continued their probe into the December 14 shootings at Sandy Hook Elementary School in which 20 first-graders and six school staffers were massacred when a gunman shot his way into the building and launched a gunfire rampage with a military-style assault rifle.

State police spokesman Lieutenant J. Paul Vance said that progress is being made in the probe, adding that, "It's going to be a long investigation."

State police, town police, the state's attorney's office, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the US Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives, and the US attorney for Connecticut are among the agencies participating.

"I would hesitate to put a time on it," Lt Vance said of the duration of the probe.

"We're maintaining the integrity of the (crime) scene," he said, noting that the Sandy Hook School remains off limits to the public as the investigation there continued this week. Midday on Wednesday, a state trooper was posted on Dickenson Drive, turning back people from approaching the K-4 school.

The state police's western, eastern, and central major crime squads are involved in the investigation, Lt Vance said.

Adam Lanza, 20, of 36 Yogananda Street, Sandy Hook, had shot and killed his mother Nancy Lanza, 52, in her sleep at their home before driving to the school and going on a shooting rampage. After police encountered him at the school, Lanza shot himself to death, bringing the total number of dead to 28.

"We're moving forward. The detectives are working very hard to meet our objectives," Lt Vance said.

Police will investigate the crime as long as necessary to accomplish their goals, he said. The lieutenant noted that one lead often produces another lead, which makes it difficult to predict the length of an investigation.

A chief goal of the probe is uncovering a clear motive for Adam Lanza's actions. The results of the completed probe would be made public.

Police Chief

Newtown Police Chief Michael Kehoe said town police are working "side by side" with state police in the probe.

"Multiple investigations are going on," he said.

Besides the shooting incidents at Sandy Hook School and at the Lanza residence, probes are being conducted into fraudulent fundraising schemes exploiting survivor families and the general public, he said.

Police also are investigating ensuing threats of violence which were made against the Head O' Meadow School and St Rose of Lima Church, Chief Kehoe said.

As with the rest of Newtown, the crime has had an emotional impact on town police, Chief Kehoe said, "I think we're all rebounding at our own paces."

"We're watching out for each other and supporting each other," he said.

Attorney Eric Brown, who represents the Newtown Police Union, said the union is seeking to find a mechanism that would allow town police who take time off work due to emotional distress to continue receiving a paycheck.

It was unclear, how many, if any, town police were off work this week due to the emotional stresses caused by their investigation of the incident.

On December 27, Mr Brown had said that "three to five" town police were then still off work in the aftermath of the mass murder incident.

The town police department has 45 members, 43 of whom are represented by the police union. The police labor contract allows up to ten sick days annually per officer.

However, Mr Brown has expressed concerns that police strongly affected by the shooting incident may run out of sick time and have no paychecks available while they are off work.

"There's plenty of people who want to donate money" to ensure that police who are off work receive paychecks, Mr Brown said.

But, he added, that some "formal mechanism" must be created if police are to be paid while off work due to stress-related problems stemming from the shooting incident.

Mr Brown said that potentially a dozen police officers may need to take some time off work, as needed, to deal with such stress-related problems.

The police chief has been supportive in view of the affected officers' plight, Mr Brown said.

Mr Brown said the police union will soon meet with the town in seeking to fashion some formal mechanism which would allow affected officers to be paid while off work for stress-related reasons.

State's Attorney

Danbury State's Attorney Stephen J. Sedensky, III, said this week that five search warrants which were issued to police investigators in probing the mass murder remain under court seal.

Mr Sedensky sought and received a judge's approval to keep those five warrants sealed from public review for 90 days to protect the ongoing crime investigation. He declined to describe the specifics of the warrants.

Those warrants would now be unsealed with their contents disclosed by late March, unless the state seeks and receives from a judge another time extension to keep them sealed.

In a statement on the investigation, the Chief State's Attorney's Office said that the Danbury State's Attorney's Office will continue to work with the state police, Newtown police, Office of the Chief Medical Examiner, and other local, state, and federal agencies on the crime probe.

"It cannot be stated too often how invaluable and necessary the work of the United States Attorney's Office, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the United States Marshals Service, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, and other federal agencies was and is to this investigation," it added.

Once the investigation has been completed and all documents and evidence are reviewed, Mr Sedensky "will make any appropriate decisions regarding prosecutions pursuant to state law and will issue a report of the incident with input from all agencies involved," according to the statement.



:elvis:

lesfunk
01-15-2013, 01:21 AM
that headline should read: "Police Investigation Into Sandy Hook School Murders: No Progress"

ELVIS
01-15-2013, 01:24 AM
And notice all of the agencies providing "assistance."

ELVIS
01-15-2013, 01:36 AM
"It cannot be stated too often how invaluable and necessary the work of the United States Attorney's Office, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the United States Marshals Service, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, and other federal agencies was and is to this investigation,"


Chilling, to say the least...


:elvis:

jhale667
01-15-2013, 01:38 AM
I'm not worried about the 2nd Amendment.....but I am beginning to believe you and your theories.

:gulp:

Keep up the good fight, and ignore the sheep

:headlights:

ELVIS
01-15-2013, 01:40 AM
jfail is in a government induced trance...

jhale667
01-15-2013, 01:42 AM
Better than an Alex Jones induced seizure...idiot.

LoungeMachine
01-15-2013, 01:44 AM
jfail is in a government induced trance...

Look, some of us are listening....quit with the insults and just make your case.

:gulp:

jhale667
01-15-2013, 01:54 AM
:019:

WARF
01-15-2013, 01:56 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4RqgkULTMU

uh hu hu hu huhuh

Seshmeister
01-15-2013, 06:17 AM
I don't see the disconnect between this and the "conspiracy bullshit". In fact this adds credence to some conspiracy arguments, doesn't it?

The big difference with this one is real evidence instead of just making shit up.
http://www.justiceonline.org/commentary/fbi-files-ows.html#documents

Also there is means, motive and opportunity and logic to it unlike crap about the US government killing school kids to get more gun control.

BigBadBrian
01-15-2013, 06:39 AM
Well, I don't think it'd come to that ... I have a lot of hope that the military would refuse to attack our citizenry.

As do I. Commanders, soldiers, sailors, airmen, and Marines would rebel en masse if it were ever to come down to that. But you still have to be able to defend yourself against the rogue elements. :gun:

jacksmar
01-15-2013, 06:43 AM
This is sad and disgraceful, a legacy of the knee-jerk paranoia and corporatism starting to be codified against the Antiwar movement in the 60's and stemmed by the fallout of the 1970's and various investigations such as The Church Commission. It's pretty fucking awful that 9/11 has blinded people and allowed for this to be reborn.

Another concern is not only is this a basic affront to civil liberties combined with a fascist-lite fusion of state security organs with base corporate interests against what is a basic, nonviolent protest--it also is watering down the ability of the federal gov't to respond to real security threats and actual criminals...

911? OWS and 911? MMM...K

The Nonviolent 60's.

Well, as usual of late, Little Nickki provides his unique pontification about ............... state security organs.

Meanwhile 30+ years later, chicken shit mayors tolerated shit in their streets when the template for handling shit protesters was provided in 1968:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYp1JgwotXU

FORD
01-15-2013, 01:14 PM
As do I. Commanders, soldiers, sailors, airmen, and Marines would rebel en masse if it were ever to come down to that. But you still have to be able to defend yourself against the rogue elements. :gun:

I'm not so worried about the military as I am about mercenary thugs like BlacKKKwater. They have already proven they are willing to turn against the American people in the aftermath of Katrina.

Right, Elvis?

Nickdfresh
01-15-2013, 05:12 PM
As do I. Commanders, soldiers, sailors, airmen, and Marines would rebel en masse if it were ever to come down to that. But you still have to be able to defend yourself against the rogue elements. :gun:

So why do you piss your pants over a very dubious interpretation of the Second Amendment as a bulwark against gov't "tyranny?"

Nickdfresh
01-15-2013, 05:15 PM
911? OWS and 911? MMM...K

The Nonviolent 60's.

Well, as usual of late, Little Nickki provides his unique pontification about ............... state security organs.

Meanwhile 30+ years later, chicken shit mayors tolerated shit in their streets when the template for handling shit protesters was provided in 1968:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYp1JgwotXU


Or 1938...

http://xenlogic.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/the-hitler-gang.gif?w=600&h=383
http://www.collativelearning.com/PICS%20FOR%20WEBSITE/ACO%20expanded/dvd%20stills%209/nazi%20music%202.png

jacksmar
01-15-2013, 06:11 PM
That was quite leap. Besides even the Nazis wouldn't have touched these dirty, worthless Marxists.

http://quitenormal.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/ows-la-trash-550x373.jpg

Seshmeister
01-15-2013, 06:25 PM
Funny watching you support the billionaires and government against the common citizen.

One takes hundreds of billions of dollars and the other makes a park a bit messy...

WARF
01-15-2013, 06:37 PM
http://www.uberfrags.net/images/smilies/nazi.gif http://webanarchy.net/v3/images/smilies/smiley_hitler.JPG

ELVIS
01-15-2013, 09:08 PM
I'm not so worried about the military as I am about mercenary thugs like BlacKKKwater. They have already proven they are willing to turn against the American people in the aftermath of Katrina.

Right, Elvis?

That is exactly right, but Wikiforbrains denies the gun confiscation ever happened...

BigBadBrian
01-16-2013, 10:15 AM
So why do you piss your pants over a very dubious interpretation of the Second Amendment as a bulwark against gov't "tyranny?"

To defend ourselves against the Leftist Rebels in the Democratic Party. :gun:

BigBadBrian
01-16-2013, 10:21 AM
I'm not so worried about the military as I am about mercenary thugs like BlacKwater.


It's Academi (http://academi.com) now...get it right. About 20 miles from my home. I know a few people who work there...good folks.

Going to take an Advanced Skills Handgun 3-day course there sometime soon.

jacksmar
01-16-2013, 11:21 AM
Funny watching you support the billionaires and government against the common citizen.

One takes hundreds of billions of dollars and the other makes a park a bit messy...

First off you don't know what you're talking about or you are having me on a bit.

Never, not once, never, no exceptions (got that?) has a poor unwashed, dirty, shit-for-brains protestor ever offered me a 250K a year job. Got that? Never will any slumming, parasitic leaches like these assholes be able to do that. Never.

Next,

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2011/10/occupy-protests-cost-cities-millions/
http://abcnews.go.com/images/Entertainment/ap_scott_olsen_occupy_wall_street_oakland_ll_11102 7_wblog.jpg

With tensions mounting daily, the name Scott Olsen has become a national rallying cry for the Occupy Wall Street movement.

Olsen, a 24-year-old Iraq veteran, is in serious condition after suffering a fractured skull during clashes with police in Oakland.

He joined the protests after work Tuesday night and suffered his head wound when police fired tear gas into the crowd during the crackdown. People who came to his aid were then scattered by a gas canister tossed by police.

In an effort to show solidarity with Olsen and their counterparts in Oakland, protesters in New York City marched to City Hall on Wednesday night. The demonstration led to a tense confrontation with police and 10 arrests.

Today, the police union said officers had showed restraint but the union would sue any protester who injured an officer.

So are the confrontations entering a dangerous new stage?

Many city officials are under pressure from constituents tired of unsightly tent cities, dead grass and dangerous conditions. The cost to already struggling municipalities, which must protect and clean up after the protesters, is soaring.

“We know for a fact we’ve crossed the $300,000 threshold in terms of money spent so far for this operation,” said Atlanta Mayor Kasim Reed.

In San Francisco, the bill is more than $100,000.

jacksmar
01-16-2013, 11:26 AM
Typical Ubama voter and their ilk. Our national Mall after Ubama in 2008:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3418/3213229091_5c7297ba39.jpg

They live like pigs and they vote like socialists.

Dr. Love
01-16-2013, 11:32 AM
Banks crash global economy through sale of goods they know were bad, wiping out wealth of middle class.

"Look at how dirty all the protestors are!"

Who gives a shit. The people responsible for this were never held accountable and are STILL handing out mega bonuses and you are bitching about littering.

sadaist
01-16-2013, 11:38 AM
Typical Ubama voter and their ilk. Our national Mall after Ubama in 2008:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3418/3213229091_5c7297ba39.jpg

They live like pigs and they vote like socialists.


The 'Occupy' people left destruction like that & worse in their wake. The park in Los Angeles was basically destroyed and took a couple hundred grand to repair the damages. Sure nice of those 1%'ers to pay such large taxes that allows the city to keep these beautiful parks for people to destroy & poop in while protesting the very same people.

jacksmar
01-16-2013, 11:57 AM
Banks crash global economy through sale of goods they know were bad, wiping out wealth of middle class.

"Look at how dirty all the protestors are!"

Who gives a shit. The people responsible for this were never held accountable and are STILL handing out mega bonuses and you are bitching about littering.

Who bailed the banks out again???????????????????????????? UBAMA

Pave the fucking parks over and put in casinos for all I give a shit. The problem with OWS was they set out to fuck up day-to-day existence and never paid a price.
They deserved to have the fire hoses turned on them , nothing more.

They do at my business door. I've got cams, armed security, and dogs on the property at night to tear up bums, transients, and spray painting criminals.

And its easy to spot an OWS fuckup. Start with the way they dressed and and how they answer a couple simple questions. They can't overcome ingrained socialistic traits.

They have been setup to fail and will. They will NEVER get a job, cash, or sympathy from me. Fuck their casual use lifestyle and they should die at the hands of an Obamacare doctor.

Comparing 911 people to OWS is blatantly and patently insipid.

ELVIS
01-16-2013, 12:02 PM
That brought tears to me eyes...:biggrin:

Dr. Love
01-16-2013, 12:12 PM
Who bailed the banks out again???????????????????????????? UBAMA

Pave the fucking parks over and put in casinos for all I give a shit. The problem with OWS was they set out to fuck up day-to-day existence and never paid a price.
They deserved to have the fire hoses turned on them , nothing more.

They do at my business door. I've got cams, armed security, and dogs on the property at night to tear up bums, transients, and spray painting criminals.

And its easy to spot an OWS fuckup. Start with the way they dressed and and how they answer a couple simple questions. They can't overcome ingrained socialistic traits.

They have been setup to fail and will. They will NEVER get a job, cash, or sympathy from me. Fuck their casual use lifestyle and they should die at the hands of an Obamacare doctor.

Comparing 911 people to OWS is blatantly and patently insipid.

None of which has anything to do with what I said.

I don't care who bailed out the banks. I care about accountability, and they should be held accountable. Our government isn't willing to do it -- and the people stood up to protest, all across the nation.

jacksmar
01-16-2013, 12:48 PM
None of which has anything to do with what I said.

I don't care who bailed out the banks. I care about accountability, and they should be held accountable. Our government isn't willing to do it -- and the people stood up to protest, all across the nation.

Dr, you're one of the smarter people here if you care about accountability. I'm accountable for all my employees and their safety.

The US Congress passed bill after bill relaxing standards so the "poor" could afford homes and credit. Not credit cards necessarily, credit.

The "standard of living" was passing them by through increased congressional legislation and lowered mobility. The result has been disastrous. And not one member of Congress has had accountability for their actions.

If I genuinely "miss " something in the tax code this year, who is accountable? My accountant and tax lawyer? The IRS will be up my ledger like a Dod5 shredder to make business worse for the people I employ and me.

Ollie North wasn't held accountable. Pat Leahey wasn't held accountable. Ted Kennedy wasn't held accountable and the list goes on. It wasn't everyday business people that deserved to be protested. OWS did with no accountability to business lost.

The fed hasn't been accountable for years. No one marched on Washington to protest the Fed Reserve.

Same with the IRS.

I won't be selling my simple little business this year, but I will close it down in 6 months if I have to. Not selling, closing. And that means a few more out of a job. Two are new mothers, one is a new dad; all this year.

I won't get fucked by this piece of shit president and his socialist minions. Period.

My mind is clear when my head hits the pillow at night: You can all beg Ubama for social justice and for your dinner.

I will be left alone without worrying about: taxes, lawsuits, bed employees, sidewalks, utilities, fed regs that make no sense, bad banks, clean water and air units ( ie solar powered when applicable) and maintenance on everything from a parking lot, fences, phones, lights, and trash receptacles.

So oddly enough, we agree. There was no accountability. Just were the blame goes.

ELVIS
01-16-2013, 01:05 PM
You're both right...

Nickdfresh
01-17-2013, 09:03 AM
That is exactly right, but Wikiforbrains denies the gun confiscation ever happened...

Okay, so when did it happen, Eldouchknozzle? Specifically?

Nickdfresh
01-17-2013, 09:04 AM
To defend ourselves against the Leftist Rebels in the Democratic Party. :gun:

How could the Party that controls most of the gov't be "rebels"?

Dolt...

Nickdfresh
01-17-2013, 09:06 AM
First off you don't know what you're talking about or you are having me on a bit.

Never, not once, never, no exceptions (got that?) has a poor unwashed, dirty, shit-for-brains protestor ever offered me a 250K a year job. Got that? Never will any slumming, parasitic leaches like these assholes be able to do that. Never.
...



No one is going to ever offer you a $250K year job, bro. You either need education or luck to pull that down!

Nickdfresh
01-17-2013, 09:15 AM
Banks crash global economy through sale of goods they know were bad, wiping out wealth of middle class.

"Look at how dirty all the protestors are!"

Who gives a shit. The people responsible for this were never held accountable and are STILL handing out mega bonuses and you are bitching about littering.

You're absolutely correct, Doc, and...

Who's that girl!?

Nickdfresh
01-17-2013, 09:20 AM
Who bailed the banks out again???????????????????????????? UBAMA


Actually, it began under the Bush Admin. you know, the shitstains you voted for?


Pave the fucking parks over and put in casinos for all I give a shit. The problem with OWS was they set out to fuck up day-to-day existence and never paid a price.
They deserved to have the fire hoses turned on them , nothing more.

By using their Constitutionally guaranteed right to assemble and protest peacefully? Obviously, there were some fuckwits in OWS, but I suspect most of those that are have little in the way of any ideology and were there for the girls...


They do at my business door. I've got cams, armed security, and dogs on the property at night to tear up bums, transients, and spray painting criminals.

So, how's the Nazi Party thing going?


And its easy to spot an OWS fuckup. Start with the way they dressed and and how they answer a couple simple questions. They can't overcome ingrained socialistic traits.

They have been setup to fail and will. They will NEVER get a job, cash, or sympathy from me. Fuck their casual use lifestyle and they should die at the hands of an Obamacare doctor.

Comparing 911 people to OWS is blatantly and patently insipid.

Do you say all this while wearing Kiss makeup and mimicking a bisexual lead singer? Awesome!

ELVIS
01-17-2013, 09:23 AM
Now you're bashing a music fan on a music fan site ??

ELVIS
01-17-2013, 09:28 AM
Okay, so when did it happen, Eldouchknozzle? Specifically?

Oh, I see...

The Welfare State run media failed to inform you about it...

I'm sure you can Wiki it...


:elvis:

ashstralia
01-17-2013, 09:30 AM
hehehe... a music fan on a music site...

remember the cabbage patch babies? and tamagotchi?

ELVIS
01-17-2013, 09:31 AM
I Wiki'd it for you, dumbass...

Confiscation of civilian firearms

Controversy arose over a September 8 city-wide order by New Orleans Police Superintendent Eddie Compass to local police, U.S. Army National Guard soldiers, and Deputy U.S. Marshals to confiscate all civilian-held firearms. "No one will be able to be armed," Compass said. "Guns will be taken. Only law enforcement will be allowed to have guns." Seizures were carried out without warrant, and in some cases with excessive force; one instance captured on film involved 58 year old New Orleans resident Patricia Konie. Konie stayed behind, in her well provisioned home, and had an old revolver for protection. A group of police entered the house, and when she refused to surrender her revolver, she was tackled and it was removed by force. Konie's shoulder was fractured, and she was taken into police custody for failing to surrender her firearm.[79][80] Even U.S. Army National Guard soldiers, armed with M16 assault rifles, were used for house to house searches, seizing firearms and attempting to get those remaining in the city to leave.[81]

Angered citizens, backed by the National Rifle Association and other organizations, filed protests over the constitutionality of such an order and the difficulty in tracking seizures, as paperwork was rarely filed during the searches. Wayne LaPierre, CEO of the National Rifle Association, defended the right of affected citizens to retain firearms, saying that, "What we’ve seen in Louisiana - the breakdown of law and order in the aftermath of disaster - is exactly the kind of situation where the Second Amendment was intended to allow citizens to protect themselves." The searches received little news coverage, though reaction from groups such as the NRA, the Second Amendment Foundation, and Gun Owners of America was immediate and heated, and a lawsuit was filed September 22 by the NRA and SAF on behalf of two firearm owners whose firearms were seized. On September 23, the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Louisiana issued a restraining order to bar further firearms confiscations.[79]

After refusing to admit that it had any seized firearms, the city revealed in mid-March that it did have a cache of some 1000 firearms seized after the hurricane; this disclosure came after the NRA filed a motion in court to hold the city in contempt for failure to comply with the U.S. District Court's earlier order to return all seized firearms. On April 14, 2006, it was announced that the city will begin to return seized firearms, however as of early 2008, many firearms were still in police possession, and the matter was still in court.[79] The matter was finally settled in favor of the NRA in October 2008. Per the agreement, the city was required to relax the strict proof of ownership requirements previously used, and was to release firearms to their owners with an affidavit claiming ownership and a background check to verify that the owner is legally able to possess a firearm.[82]

Louisiana legislator Steve Scalise introduced Louisiana House Bill 760, which would prohibit confiscation of firearms in a state of emergency, unless the seizure is pursuant to the investigation of a crime, or if the seizure is necessary to prevent immediate harm to the officer or another individual. On June 8, 2006, HB 760 was signed into law.[83] 21 other states joined Louisiana in enacting similar laws. A federal law prohibiting seizure of lawfully held firearms during an emergency, the Disaster Recovery Personal Protection Act of 2006, passed in the House with a vote of 322 to 99, and in the Senate by 84-16. The bill was signed into law by President Bush on October 9, 2006.[84]


:elvis:

jacksmar
01-17-2013, 09:38 AM
Nick, one of my clients Sweetbay Super Markets is closing 33 stores. 2000+ out of work, shortly.

http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/venturebiz/content/sweetbay-store-closings-driven-publix-wal-mart-pressure-sagging-parent-company-performance

The reason I mention this is simple. This is an international company with an American arm.

According to the OWS losers, this company should eat (heh) the profit losses and stay open But think about this: even though the company base is in Belgium , they were doing business here.

From my point of view, the OWS losers were protesting Sweet Bay Markets. They were so ignorant of the consequences and blinded by socialism.
They were protesting seniors trying supplement a fixed income, high school kids getting their first job, 503(c) people getting into the workforce, and plenty of etc. ( ie the public bus system that brought them to work, local vendors, and public utilities).

Even though they were protesting "wall street", ultimately this is the result. Collectively, (the socialist mantra) this what they were protesting and that is a fact.

Now where do I send my guys in the future that were supporting this business? Tough shit, right? That one door closes another one opens crap? Bullshit.

No OWS loser saw the incentive to support this business for expansion and profit. And that's a fact.

ashstralia
01-17-2013, 09:44 AM
seeing as we're having many teaspoons of our chocolate based beverage... i want 4

jacksmar
01-17-2013, 10:08 AM
Actually, it began under the Bush Admin. you know, the shitstains you voted for?



By using their Constitutionally guaranteed right to assemble and protest peacefully? Obviously, there were some fuckwits in OWS, but I suspect most of those that are have little in the way of any ideology and were there for the girls...



So, how's the Nazi Party thing going?



Do you say all this while wearing Kiss makeup and mimicking a bisexual lead singer? Awesome!

You're right again of course. They should have shot a couple that were fucking with cars, businesses, and stealing. Make an example. Lesson lost from 1968.

Don't spout your Bush bullshit asshole. The Kenya Houseboy has followed Bush's lead every step of the way. That makes you dumber than I thought possible.
And I was done with him and the Repbs when they did not raze Fallujah.

Ask the local sheriff about any alarms going off on my "Nazi" business. They're not answering alarms for property damage so they can answer calls where casual use fucks have stabbed each other over a bag of weed, or someones retired family member that needs help because their worthless grandkids has stolen from them for money.

As you're worried about someone's sexuality.......... again...........I'm wondering about your proclivities for hippie protester chicks.
You must get turned on by rancid pussies, used tampons, foul body odor, and the smell of pepper spray.

And again, thanks for the compliment on my awesome singing.

Nickdfresh
01-17-2013, 10:59 AM
Now you're bashing a music fan on a music fan site ??

Well, you can suck Gene and Paul's dicks if you want too. Not me, man...

Nickdfresh
01-17-2013, 11:02 AM
I Wiki'd it for you, dumbass...

Confiscation of civilian firearms

Controversy arose over a September 8 city-wide order by New Orleans Police Superintendent Eddie Compass to local police, U.S. Army National Guard soldiers, and Deputy U.S. Marshals to confiscate all civilian-held firearms. "No one will be able to be armed," Compass said. "Guns will be taken. Only law enforcement will be allowed to have guns." Seizures were carried out without warrant, and in some cases with excessive force; one instance captured on film involved 58 year old New Orleans resident Patricia Konie. Konie stayed behind, in her well provisioned home, and had an old revolver for protection. A group of police entered the house, and when she refused to surrender her revolver, she was tackled and it was removed by force. Konie's shoulder was fractured, and she was taken into police custody for failing to surrender her firearm.[79][80] Even U.S. Army National Guard soldiers, armed with M16 assault rifles, were used for house to house searches, seizing firearms and attempting to get those remaining in the city to leave.[81]

Angered citizens, backed by the National Rifle Association and other organizations, filed protests over the constitutionality of such an order and the difficulty in tracking seizures, as paperwork was rarely filed during the searches. Wayne LaPierre, CEO of the National Rifle Association, defended the right of affected citizens to retain firearms, saying that, "What we’ve seen in Louisiana - the breakdown of law and order in the aftermath of disaster - is exactly the kind of situation where the Second Amendment was intended to allow citizens to protect themselves." The searches received little news coverage, though reaction from groups such as the NRA, the Second Amendment Foundation, and Gun Owners of America was immediate and heated, and a lawsuit was filed September 22 by the NRA and SAF on behalf of two firearm owners whose firearms were seized. On September 23, the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Louisiana issued a restraining order to bar further firearms confiscations.[79]

After refusing to admit that it had any seized firearms, the city revealed in mid-March that it did have a cache of some 1000 firearms seized after the hurricane; this disclosure came after the NRA filed a motion in court to hold the city in contempt for failure to comply with the U.S. District Court's earlier order to return all seized firearms. On April 14, 2006, it was announced that the city will begin to return seized firearms, however as of early 2008, many firearms were still in police possession, and the matter was still in court.[79] The matter was finally settled in favor of the NRA in October 2008. Per the agreement, the city was required to relax the strict proof of ownership requirements previously used, and was to release firearms to their owners with an affidavit claiming ownership and a background check to verify that the owner is legally able to possess a firearm.[82]

Louisiana legislator Steve Scalise introduced Louisiana House Bill 760, which would prohibit confiscation of firearms in a state of emergency, unless the seizure is pursuant to the investigation of a crime, or if the seizure is necessary to prevent immediate harm to the officer or another individual. On June 8, 2006, HB 760 was signed into law.[83] 21 other states joined Louisiana in enacting similar laws. A federal law prohibiting seizure of lawfully held firearms during an emergency, the Disaster Recovery Personal Protection Act of 2006, passed in the House with a vote of 322 to 99, and in the Senate by 84-16. The bill was signed into law by President Bush on October 9, 2006.[84]


:elvis:

They seized the firearms because Martial Law was declared, and there were people in the French Quarter (mainly white people) that were allowed to keep their guns. And you're own link shows that many were returned...

BTW, the Nat'l Guard armory in NO was also looted, leading to criminals to possess military ordnance. Should they have been allowed to keep that? You're "Wiki" link also takes the seizures somewhat out of context by failing to mention that heavily armed criminal gangs had taken advantage of the collapse of civil gov't and were rampaging through the city and in some cases overwhelming the police with firepower...

But maybe Hurricane Katrina was a CIA covert operations plot to ban our guns (in NO)?

Nickdfresh
01-17-2013, 11:06 AM
Nick, one of my clients Sweetbay Super Markets is closing 33 stores. 2000+ out of work, shortly.

http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/venturebiz/content/sweetbay-store-closings-driven-publix-wal-mart-pressure-sagging-parent-company-performance

The reason I mention this is simple. This is an international company with an American arm.

According to the OWS losers, this company should eat (heh) the profit losses and stay open But think about this: even though the company base is in Belgium , they were doing business here.

From my point of view, the OWS losers were protesting Sweet Bay Markets. They were so ignorant of the consequences and blinded by socialism.
They were protesting seniors trying supplement a fixed income, high school kids getting their first job, 503(c) people getting into the workforce, and plenty of etc. ( ie the public bus system that brought them to work, local vendors, and public utilities).

Even though they were protesting "wall street", ultimately this is the result. Collectively, (the socialist mantra) this what they were protesting and that is a fact.

Now where do I send my guys in the future that were supporting this business? Tough shit, right? That one door closes another one opens crap? Bullshit.

No OWS loser saw the incentive to support this business for expansion and profit. And that's a fact.

Specifically, how did they lead a Belgium market chain to leave?

Nickdfresh
01-17-2013, 11:13 AM
You're right again of course. They should have shot a couple that were fucking with cars, businesses, and stealing. Make an example. Lesson lost from 1968.

1968? Which lesson? When Chicago Police attacked antiwar protestors at the Democratic Convention and performed what is universally acknowledged was a "police riot."


Don't spout your Bush bullshit asshole. The Kenya Houseboy has followed Bush's lead every step of the way. That makes you dumber than I thought possible.
And I was done with him and the Repbs when they did not raze Fallujah.

If he's lockstep with Bush, why didn't you suck his dick too?

The Republicans weren't in Fallujah, the Marines were! You know, the war you didn't want to go too? Another fucking internet tough guy that wants to "raise" cities as long as someone else has to do the dirty work, you coward!


Ask the local sheriff about any alarms going off on my "Nazi" business. They're not answering alarms for property damage so they can answer calls where casual use fucks have stabbed each other over a bag of weed, or someones retired family member that needs help because their worthless grandkids has stolen from them for money.

What if you're not there, though? Those weapons are a prime target!


As you're worried about someone's sexuality.......... again...........I'm wondering about your proclivities for hippie protester chicks.
You must get turned on by rancid pussies, used tampons, foul body odor, and the smell of pepper spray.

And again, thanks for the compliment on my awesome singing.

Never met any OWS hippie chicks, never made it down to the Lafayette...

Nickdfresh
01-17-2013, 11:19 AM
T
...

But maybe Hurricane Katrina was a CIA covert operations plot to ban our guns (in NO)?

Hell! That's it! GLOBAL WARMING is a CIA covert operation to take our guns! FUCK!

ELVIS
01-17-2013, 01:05 PM
You're "Wiki" link also takes the seizures somewhat out of context by failing to mention that heavily armed criminal gangs had taken advantage of the collapse of civil gov't and were rampaging through the city and in some cases overwhelming the police with firepower...



The police were the criminals right along with the thugs, Dickforbrains...

Some of the police stole Caddillacs, Dickforbrains...

Then, Dickforbrains, the criminal police along with the National Guard, confiscated weapons, at gunpoint, from law abiding citizens at a time when they needed them most by your very admittance of thugs "rampaging through the city"...

You're sorely misinformed...on everything...


And I used Wiki for your benefit, as it's the only source you're familiar with...

I'm quite aware of the inaccuracies...


:elvis:

Nickdfresh
01-17-2013, 05:09 PM
The police were the criminals right along with the thugs, Dickforbrains...

Some of the police stole Caddillacs, Dickforbrains...

What's a "Caddillac?"


Then, Dickforbrains, the criminal police along with the National Guard, confiscated weapons, at gunpoint, from law abiding citizens at a time when they needed them most by your very admittance of thugs "rampaging through the city"...

Specifically, where? A few in outlying areas. I know people in the French Qtr. that were armed to the teeth, El-dicklick...


You're sorely misinformed...on everything...

I am? What about the conspiracy theory that the guberment blew the levees to get rid of poor black peoples in the Ninth? Apparently, that's the only conspiracy theory you never mention...


And I used Wiki for your benefit, as it's the only source you're familiar with...

Um dick, you're online 24/7 and when you're not you're listening to some radio fuckwit to determine your opinion for the next day...


I'm quite aware of the inaccuracies...


:elvis:

You're a retard with no more discerning ability to spot inaccuracies than a third grader stuck in your shitty Bayou educational system...

http://spud.wetfish.net/b/capture/The.Waterboy.1998-2.JPG

Dr. Love
01-17-2013, 05:29 PM
You're absolutely correct, Doc, and...

Who's that girl!?

I dunno who she is ... but she's beautiful

Nickdfresh
01-17-2013, 05:33 PM
I dunno who she is ... but she's beautiful

She has a messy bedroom, would not bang!


LOL Who am I kidding!?

Nickdfresh
01-17-2013, 05:34 PM
Hell! That's it! GLOBAL WARMING is a CIA covert operation to take our guns! FUCK!

No comment on this plot, Elvis?

ELVIS
01-17-2013, 06:11 PM
No, but they'll have a carbon tax for bullets, I'm sure...

But blaming the temperature going up a tiny bit (actually, we've been on a 15 year cooling cycle) on man being on earth is silly...

Volcanoes put out more carbon dioxide than man could possibly produce...

Seshmeister
01-17-2013, 09:45 PM
Volcanoes put out more carbon dioxide than man could possibly produce...

That is complete and utter nonsense!

Again you need to listen to the people with facts rather than just people that make up bullshit for their own agenda.

http://news.discovery.com/earth/weather-extreme-events/volcanoes-co2-people-emissions-climate-110627.htm

FORD
01-17-2013, 11:43 PM
Volcanoes put out more carbon dioxide than man could possibly produce...

Only if Xenu drops H-bombs in them. And as far as I know, that hasn't happened in a few million years, but I'll have to verify that with Tom Cruise.

jacksmar
01-18-2013, 09:19 AM
That is complete and utter nonsense!

Again you need to listen to the people with facts rather than just people that make up bullshit for their own agenda.

http://news.discovery.com/earth/weather-extreme-events/volcanoes-co2-people-emissions-climate-110627.htm


Global Warming scientists at work in the lab:

http://dudelol.com/DO-NOT-HOTLINK-IMAGES/Sad-Trombone.jpg


This PROVES there is global warming. Naked OWS agrees.

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lszph8ocRG1qgoenyo1_500.jpg

Seshmeister
01-18-2013, 09:32 AM
I'll take it from your post that you concede.

jacksmar
01-18-2013, 09:42 AM
http://www.care2.com/causes/marijuana-use-responsible-for-1-of-all-u-s-electricity.html

Smoking A Joint Could Ruin Your Carbon Footprint

Marijuana growers are responsible for 1 percent of all energy consumption in the U.S. according to a new report.

Evan Mills, a longtime energy analyst at Lawrence Berkeley National Labs, recently completed a study aimed at quantifying a previously undocumented component of energy demand in the United States: the marijuana industry.

The analysis performed in this study finds that indoor Cannabis production results in energy expenditures of $5 billion each year, with electricity use equivalent to that of 2 million average U.S. homes. This corresponds to 1% of national electricity consumption or 2% of that in households. The yearly greenhouse-gas pollution (carbon dioxide, CO2 ) from the electricity plus associated transportation fuels equals that of 3 million cars. Energy costs constitute a quarter of wholesale value.

These findings become even more remarkable when Mills breaks them down into easy to visualize terms. For instance:

Smoking a single Cannabis cigarette represents 2 pounds of CO2 emissions, an amount equal to running a 100-watt light bulb for 17 hours with average U.S. electricity.
A four-by-four-foot marijuana production module doubles the electricity use of an average U.S. home and triples that of an average California home. The added electricity use is equivalent to running about 30 refrigerators. Processed Cannabis results in 3000-times its weight in CO2 emissions.
For off-grid production (i.e. secret grow houses in the woods), it requires 70 gallons of diesel fuel to produce one indoor Cannabis plant, or 140 gallons with smaller, less-efficient gasoline generators.

FORD
01-18-2013, 02:03 PM
Solar/Wind powered hydroponics - the Green solution for your green buds! :biggrin:

lesfunk
01-18-2013, 02:05 PM
My distant cousin Chris lives completely off the grid in NH. He uses solar and wind to generate all his electricity

Kristy
01-18-2013, 02:06 PM
Now you're bashing a music fan on a music fan site ??

I do it all the time.

Seshmeister
01-20-2013, 09:16 PM
http://www.care2.com/causes/marijuana-use-responsible-for-1-of-all-u-s-electricity.html

Smoking A Joint Could Ruin Your Carbon Footprint

Marijuana growers are responsible for 1 percent of all energy consumption in the U.S. according to a new report.

Evan Mills, a longtime energy analyst at Lawrence Berkeley National Labs, recently completed a study aimed at quantifying a previously undocumented component of energy demand in the United States: the marijuana industry.

The analysis performed in this study finds that indoor Cannabis production results in energy expenditures of $5 billion each year, with electricity use equivalent to that of 2 million average U.S. homes. This corresponds to 1% of national electricity consumption or 2% of that in households. The yearly greenhouse-gas pollution (carbon dioxide, CO2 ) from the electricity plus associated transportation fuels equals that of 3 million cars. Energy costs constitute a quarter of wholesale value.

These findings become even more remarkable when Mills breaks them down into easy to visualize terms. For instance:

Smoking a single Cannabis cigarette represents 2 pounds of CO2 emissions, an amount equal to running a 100-watt light bulb for 17 hours with average U.S. electricity.
A four-by-four-foot marijuana production module doubles the electricity use of an average U.S. home and triples that of an average California home. The added electricity use is equivalent to running about 30 refrigerators. Processed Cannabis results in 3000-times its weight in CO2 emissions.
For off-grid production (i.e. secret grow houses in the woods), it requires 70 gallons of diesel fuel to produce one indoor Cannabis plant, or 140 gallons with smaller, less-efficient gasoline generators.

Wow another reason to legalise marijuana. If it was legal people would grow it outside using solar power instead.

ELVIS
01-21-2013, 10:24 AM
What about LED grow lights ??

FORD
01-21-2013, 10:34 AM
Wow another reason to legalise marijuana. If it was legal people would grow it outside using solar power instead.

Well, maybe in some places. Not likely around here though.

FORD
01-21-2013, 10:34 AM
What about LED grow lights ??

...powered by a wind/solar generator.

Seshmeister
01-21-2013, 12:50 PM
Well, maybe in some places. Not likely around here though.

I'm guessing that you don't grow oranges either.

If it was legal it would be grown in sunny States and then shipped to your local store.

FORD
01-21-2013, 12:55 PM
I'm guessing that you don't grow oranges either.

If it was legal it would be grown in sunny States and then shipped to your local store.

Well, we can always trade apples for oranges, literally, since they do grow here. But what to trade for weed....

Guess we need to legalize mushrooms too?

ELVIS
01-21-2013, 01:10 PM
Or stop banning things and making them illegal...

Prohibition does not work...

It doesn't work for drugs and alcohol and it won't work for guns...

It's laughable, because the only thing gained by banning a particular "style" of firearm is a false sense of security...


:elvis:

Kristy
01-21-2013, 01:32 PM
Everyone's weed should be legal. Well except for maybe some of you retards.

jhale667
01-21-2013, 01:36 PM
What about LED grow lights ??

Great for apartments. Not that I'd know.

jhale667
01-21-2013, 01:39 PM
It's laughable, because the only thing gained by banning a particular "style" of firearm is a false sense of security...





While I agree with the rest of your post (rare, I know) doesn't owning a particular style of weapon also provide a false sense of security unless it's on your person 24/7?

ELVIS
01-21-2013, 01:42 PM
Maybe, but I know some people who have their weapons readily available 24/7, so...

binnie
01-21-2013, 02:50 PM
****binnie stumbles into The Front Line***

'Oh look, another interersting thread from Sesh, he thinks'. 'Seems like more conspiracy bumpf, and I'm not sure that the 1st Amendment says anything about peaceful protests lasting indefinitely, but this could make for an interesting thread until the playground stuff eventually ruins it'.

'I wonder if I have anything to add? Let's read the replies and see.....'

***reads reply 1 by Dr. Love****

'Well, that's a good point, y'know.........' HOLY FUCKING SHIT LOOK AT THAT SIG!!!!!

***descends into dribbling wreck****

Coyote
01-21-2013, 03:38 PM
I do it all the time.

Given how constantly pissed off you seem... No, you don't.

ODShowtime
01-21-2013, 09:39 PM
Shit supported by shit leaving shit behind.

How do you expect them to pick up after themselves if they were removed by force?

jacksmar
01-21-2013, 10:07 PM
How do you expect them to pick up after themselves if they were removed by force?

That's why you turn the fire hoses on the assholes after the first hour. Or maybe some of those bean bag bullets.

http://occupysavannah.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/rubber-bullets1.jpg

Satan
01-21-2013, 10:12 PM
Jerksmear.... still longing for the "good old days" of Confederate racist oppression.......

http://www.gifflix.com/files/a0bcefdde1ec.gif

ODShowtime
01-22-2013, 06:54 AM
That's why you turn the fire hoses on the assholes after the first hour. Or maybe some of those bean bag bullets.

It's all real funny until someone you know gets hurt. Or God forbid you want to exercise your constitutional rights. Then you'll see how funny it is to be assaulted.

It's pretty inhumane to sit and laugh and these people while they try to stick up for your rights to not be robbed-blind by the 21st century robber barons. The means, motive, and opportunity for these crimes has been laid out before you and you'd rather laugh at the people being hurt while they protest this massive theft.

You know what kind of violence would make me laugh? Seeing the assholes at lehman brothers and all the rest beaten like dogs in the street for STEALING OUR MONEY. Now that would be funny. Seeing those suits getting hit with bean bags.

You act like you're really smart, but you're the biggest sucker on here with your left and right bullshit. You're being played and you're just too cool to figure it out.

BigBadBrian
01-22-2013, 06:58 AM
Any thread started by a damned fur'ner with "Americans should..." is automatically an asinine thread.

jacksmar
01-22-2013, 10:59 AM
It's all real funny until someone you know gets hurt. Or God forbid you want to exercise your constitutional rights. Then you'll see how funny it is to be assaulted.

It's pretty inhumane to sit and laugh and these people while they try to stick up for your rights to not be robbed-blind by the 21st century robber barons. The means, motive, and opportunity for these crimes has been laid out before you and you'd rather laugh at the people being hurt while they protest this massive theft.

You know what kind of violence would make me laugh? Seeing the assholes at lehman brothers and all the rest beaten like dogs in the street for STEALING OUR MONEY. Now that would be funny. Seeing those suits getting hit with bean bags.

You act like you're really smart, but you're the biggest sucker on here with your left and right bullshit. You're being played and you're just too cool to figure it out.

First off, it was never about constitutional rights. It was about money. Lots of money. Not WS lost money, and that's where every OWS dumbass was played.

Next, none of the OWS ass scabs paid one fucking dime for my employees lost wages. Got that? I wouldn't put them in any type of bad situation and they still got paid. Guess who lost the money? Not a single OWS fuckup.

When I spoke to the Tampa city council, guess who was laughing?

I knew Doug Shierson and he was one of the guys that guided me to oil futures. Bob Watson ran some Domino's Pizza businesses. All these guys ever did was provide jobs, quality jobs. This is what OWS was protesting.

I tried to start a guitar amp manufacturing company in 2007. I provided cash and collateral for this venture and was told no due to the amount of loans going to people buying house they could not afford and had no intention of paying down. Where was OWS on this shit?

Remember the House Banking scandal? With the exception of a few, most of theses son of a bitches were re-elected. No outrage from anybody.

OWS supporters are so easily duped because they are Ubama supporters blinded by ingrained socialism with no skills looking to blame a bullshit perceived and purported evil.

Don't flatter OWS's intentions with me. OWS deserved to be laughed at and shoved back on their buses with a don't come back kick in their ass while boarding. Nothing more.

Next time a bunch Wall Street assholes steal from retirement funds, over state earnings, and beg the US Congress for cash, that's the time to act.

And not with a bunch of dirty, unlettered Marxists.

ELVIS
01-22-2013, 12:46 PM
uhh hu u uh uh u huh uuuhhuuh uh uhuhuhuh

That was cool...

Satan
01-22-2013, 12:57 PM
No it wasn't.

gbranton
01-22-2013, 01:05 PM
Well, I don't think it'd come to that ... I have a lot of hope that the military would refuse to attack our citizenry.

I think this would be the case. It has already happened once in American history. In 1863 Federal troops were brought from the Battle of Gettysburg to New York City to put down draft riots and were ordered to fire upon unarmed protesters. Hundreds were killed in the streets of New York and subsequently thousands of soldiers deserted. In today's society where conscientious objection is encouraged I doubt any such order would be followed.

jacksmar
01-22-2013, 04:37 PM
GB, can you compare someone (figuratively ) from OWS to those riots?

Satan
01-22-2013, 04:47 PM
No, it would be more accurate to compare OWS protestors to the "bonus army" protestors of the 1920's/early 1930's who protested the robber baron predatory capitalism of the Harding/Coolidge/Hoover era which enacted the tax "cuts" for the rich and deregulations which caused the Great Depression.

jacksmar
01-22-2013, 06:17 PM
How to make an OWS protest a little shorter.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4PeNJro-f0

Satan
01-22-2013, 06:25 PM
So you want a fascist police state? SIEG HEIL!!! :meinsmiley:

jacksmar
01-22-2013, 06:29 PM
So you want a fascist police state? SIEG HEIL!!! :meinsmiley:

You invented fascism. You invented stereotypes. You invented racism. You showed the way on all these issues. They don't concern you. You are a liar.

You profited from Wall Street lies and deceit. You presided over the extermination of Jews. You are a liar.

And you got big fucking head, jerkoff.

ODShowtime
01-22-2013, 08:12 PM
OWS supporters are so easily duped because they are Ubama supporters blinded by ingrained socialism with no skills looking to blame a bullshit perceived and purported evil.

My goodness this is too much to handle and it really illustrates my point. You categorize all "OWS supporters" as blinded socialists with no skills. I supported OWS, at least what I understood it to be. But I'm a licensed professional and I didn't have time to waste sitting in a park somewhere. For you to say everyone who supports protests against the crimes of the banks is a blinded socialist with no skills is just ridiculous. What nonsense! And don't say the banks haven't committed terrible crimes in the last decade! You can't argue that. I know where you'll lay blame but you can't argue that it didn't happen.

I was going to make a joke about how one of the dirty hippies must have stolen your girlfriend to provoke such ire, but you revealed your true motivation. You believe that poor irresponsible people, through their greed, prevented you from starting a new business. Hey why don't you stop complaining and raise more capital? That's what you'd tell all the stupid, worthless, jobless people you despise so much.

You're crazy man. You're all confused.

ODShowtime
01-22-2013, 08:19 PM
uhh hu u uh uh u huh uuuhhuuh uh uhuhuhuh

That was cool...

God you're dense. On one thread you're talking about conspiracies by the gov't to take peoples' guns. In the next thread we hear about a gov't and industry conspiracy to silence dissent over the industry's crimes, and you think it's funny?

What the hell do you think our guns are for?

Nickdfresh
01-22-2013, 09:32 PM
I think this would be the case. It has already happened once in American history. In 1863 Federal troops were brought from the Battle of Gettysburg to New York City to put down draft riots and were ordered to fire upon unarmed protesters. Hundreds were killed in the streets of New York and subsequently thousands of soldiers deserted. In today's society where conscientious objection is encouraged I doubt any such order would be followed.

Um, that was during wartime and shit. And I think your numbers and characterization of events is quite off...

Nickdfresh
01-22-2013, 09:35 PM
You invented fascism. You invented stereotypes. You invented racism. You showed the way on all these issues. They don't concern you. You are a liar.

You profited from Wall Street lies and deceit. You presided over the extermination of Jews. You are a liar.

And you got big fucking head, jerkoff.

Um, you're not actually talking to 'the devil.' Just a guy that mimicks him on a website. And even if Satan were for real, he only "presided over" what humanity gave him...

Satan
01-22-2013, 09:38 PM
Um, you're not actually talking to 'the devil.' Just a guy that mimicks him on a website. And even if Satan were for real, he only "presided over" what humanity gave him...

Well, actually....

I watched with glee
While your kings and queens
Fought for ten decades
For the gods they made

jacksmar
01-22-2013, 10:24 PM
My goodness this is too much to handle and it really illustrates my point. You categorize all "OWS supporters" as blinded socialists with no skills. I supported OWS, at least what I understood it to be. But I'm a licensed professional and I didn't have time to waste sitting in a park somewhere. For you to say everyone who supports protests against the crimes of the banks is a blinded socialist with no skills is just ridiculous. What nonsense! And don't say the banks haven't committed terrible crimes in the last decade! You can't argue that. I know where you'll lay blame but you can't argue that it didn't happen.

I was going to make a joke about how one of the dirty hippies must have stolen your girlfriend to provoke such ire, but you revealed your true motivation. You believe that poor irresponsible people, through their greed, prevented you from starting a new business. Hey why don't you stop complaining and raise more capital? That's what you'd tell all the stupid, worthless, jobless people you despise so much.

You're crazy man. You're all confused.

No, OD, I believe the US Congress with over regulating fucked the banks. They legislated to banks to make these shit loans. They wanted a quota of minority loans and housing loans and these are the loans that defaulted. The US Congress fucked these people out of their homes and businesses and savings.

Let me over simply for those that are not licensed pros: Used to, a bank made home loan and the rate was 5%. They charged 6% and everyone was happy. Under Carter rates were 17% for a home loan. Banks charged 19%.

Now rates are roughly 4% and no one can repay them. What happened in between? Interstate banking and too many rules. All those holdings ended up in a few places.

I know of at least two instances where blacks were stepped over for startup loans locally. And BTW, you don't get a business loan without asking.

And thanks for worrying about my relationships but I still step over a lot of pussy. I still press some pussy that is a shot in the ego, just for egos sake. Another reason I moved to the beach. And yet another spring break around the corner.

jacksmar
01-22-2013, 10:32 PM
Um, you're not actually talking to 'the devil.' Just a guy that mimicks him on a website. And even if Satan were for real, he only "presided over" what humanity gave him...

You mean.............................................. ...................................


I can't believe everything that's on the internet?

There's something subversive about that. And everybody here better be a Roth fan.

This is the best website, not bar none; Cafe Wha?:happy0158:

jhale667
01-22-2013, 11:40 PM
Wait, isn't jerksmear self-deporting soon? :hee:

gbranton
01-23-2013, 02:27 AM
Um, that was during wartime and shit. And I think your numbers and characterization of events is quite off...

Feel free to point out anything you don't think is accurate.

ELVIS
01-23-2013, 08:56 AM
What the hell do you think our guns are for?

Shooting Atomic Jerks ??

Nickdfresh
01-23-2013, 01:08 PM
Feel free to point out anything you don't think is accurate.

I did. I pointed out that you were mischaracterizing an event you were posting allegorically by ignoring the very fundamental differences between wartime and peacetime. obviously the government and their soldiers are going to be a good deal more ruthless in a national emergency like a civil insurrection or in a regional emergency where martial law is declared. Also, the Posse Comitatus Act was passed after the Civil War and during Reconstruction owning to the abuses of local pols using Federal Troops in law enforcement functions they are not really trained for with some exceptions like MP's or SP's...

jacksmar
01-31-2013, 01:01 PM
http://www.baynews9.com/content/news/baynews9/news/article.html/content/news/articles/bn9/2012/11/20/sweetbay_donates_van.html

TAMPA --

Volunteers at Meals on Wheels in Tampa are used to helping others. But this time, they're on the receiving end.

Sweetbay Supermarket donated a new van to transport hot and cold lunches and dinners to seniors in need across the Bay area.

"We have two other vans, but both older and somewhat in disrepair," said Director Steve King.

The van brings the meals to the 15 drop off points for volunteers in Tampa. From there, they are brought to seniors. Without the van, volunteers would have to drive to the agency's headquarters off Hillsborough Avenue.

"It'll certainly be easier to get things where they need to be. This van will allow us to feed more people," said King.

Sweetbay also donated enough money to feed 10,400 seniors.

jacksmar
01-31-2013, 01:11 PM
Followed by:

http://www.tampabay.com/news/localgovernment/sweetbay-officials-say-they-met-with-st-petersburg-mayor-about-struggling/1271782

City officials say $1.4 million in public money was spent to build Tangerine Plaza, where Sweetbay opened in 2005.

Foster's critics have used the store's closure as proof that he doesn't have close enough ties to business leaders in Midtown.

"I think it's a shame for the mayor to hold a press conference to admit he doesn't know what was going on," said Darden Rice, president of the League of Women Voters of St. Petersburg,

Others blame the disconnect on his 2011 firing of Goliath Davis, who served as police chief, deputy mayor and senior administrator of community enrichment and was perceived as City Hall's unofficial liaison to the black community and business leaders.

The relationships disappeared with Davis, said council member Leslie Curran.

"Somebody should be in the position to know about the city's investments," she said. "(Sweetbay) didn't even bother to tell the mayor. The CEO of this city has to have relationships."

Love this outcome. Blacks, seniors, LoWV all voted for Ubama. Good job OWS.

OWS assholes protested this store and now they are begging to keep it open. It is closing.

Have to find a new place for food stamp customers to shop.

Nitro Express
01-31-2013, 01:23 PM
...powered by a wind/solar generator.

There's a cluster of houses around here and the home owners all chipped in and put up a big ass windmill. They are on top of a ridge that's always windy so it's probably going to put out electricity most the time. I'm just curious to see how many maintenance problems they will have. I hear big windmills are a maintenance nightmare.

ELVIS
02-01-2013, 07:47 AM
yep...