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01-15-2013, 03:02 AM
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=169340558


2012 Military Suicides Hit A Record High Of 349

by The Associated Press
January 14, 2013 4:45 PM

WASHINGTON (AP) — Suicides in the U.S. military surged to a record 349 last year, far exceeding American combat deaths in Afghanistan, and some private experts are predicting the dark trend will grow worse this year.

The Pentagon has struggled to deal with the suicides, which Defense Secretary Leon Panetta and others have called an epidemic. The problem reflects severe strains on military personnel burdened with more than a decade of combat in Afghanistan and Iraq, complicated by anxiety over the prospect of being forced out of a shrinking force.

Pentagon figures obtained Monday by The Associated Press show that the 349 suicides among active-duty troops last year were up from 301 the year before and exceeded the Pentagon's own internal projection of 325. Statistics alone do not explain why troops take their own lives, and the Pentagon's military and civilian leaders have acknowledged that more needs to be done to understand the causes.

Last year's total is the highest since the Pentagon began closely tracking suicides in 2001. It exceeds the 295 Americans who died in Afghanistan last year, by the AP's count.

Some in Congress are pressing the Pentagon to do more.

"This is an epidemic that cannot be ignored," Sen. Patty Murray, D-Wash., said Monday. "As our newest generation of service members and veterans face unprecedented challenges, today's news shows we must be doing more to ensure they are not slipping through the cracks."

Military suicides began rising in 2006 and soared to a then-record 310 in 2009 before leveling off for two years. It came as a surprise to many that the numbers resumed an upward climb this year, given that U.S. military involvement in Iraq is over and the Obama administration is taking steps to wind down the war in Afghanistan.

"Now that we're decreasing our troops and they're coming back home, that's when they're really in the danger zone, when they're transitioning back to their families, back to their communities and really finding a sense of purpose for themselves," said Kim Ruocco, whose husband, Marine Maj. John Ruocco, killed himself between Iraq deployments in 2005. She directs a suicide prevention program for a support group, Tragedy Assistance Program for Survivors, or TAPS.

The Army, by far the largest of the military services, had the highest number of suicides among active-duty troops last year at 182, but the Marine Corps, whose suicide numbers had declined for two years, had the largest percentage increase — a 50 percent jump to 48. The Marines' worst year was 2009's 52 suicides.

The Air Force recorded 59 suicides, up 16 percent from the previous year, and the Navy had 60, up 15 percent.

All of the numbers are tentative, pending the completion later this year of formal pathology reports on each case.

Suicide prevention has become a high Pentagon priority, yet the problem persists.

"If you have a perfect storm of events on the day with somebody who has high risk factors, it's very difficult to be there every moment, fill every crack, and we just have to continue to be aware of what the risk factors are," Ruocco said.

David Rudd, a military suicide researcher and dean of the College of Social and Behavioral Sciences at the University of Utah, said he sees two main categories of troops who are committing suicide at an accelerating pace: Iraq and Afghanistan war veterans suffering from depression, post-traumatic stress or substance abuse, and those who have not gone to war but face troubled personal relationships, money problems or legal woes.

He is not optimistic about a decline soon.

"Actually, we may continue to see increases," he said.

The Pentagon says that although the military suicide rate has been rising, it remains below that of the civilian population. It says the civilian suicide rate for males aged 17-60 was 25 per 100,000 in 2010, the latest year for which such statistics are available. That compares with the military's rate in 2012 of 17.5 per 100,000.

Officials say they are committed to pursuing ways of finding help for service members in trouble.

"Our most valuable resource within the department is our people. We are committed to taking care of our people, and that includes doing everything possible to prevent suicides in the military," Pentagon spokeswoman Cynthia O. Smith said Monday.

Two retired Army generals, Peter W. Chiarelli and Dennis J. Reimer, have spoken out about the urgency of reversing the trend.

"One of the things we learned during our careers," they wrote in The Washington Post last month, "is that stress, guns and alcohol constitute a dangerous mixture. In the wrong proportions, they tend to blow out the lamp of the mind and cause irrational acts."

As recently as 2005 the Army's suicide total was less than half last year's.

Joe Davis, spokesman for the Washington office of the Veterans of Foreign Wars, said war veterans have faced difficulty adjusting to the less intense environment of their home bases. Others struggle with leaving the military in search of work in a tight civilian job market.

"It's difficult to come back from a war footing to garrison life," he said, where more mundane problems intrude on troops who had been focused almost entirely on their war mission.

Each year the Pentagon performs an in-depth study of the circumstances of each suicide. The most recent year for which that analysis is available is 2011, and among the findings was that those who took their own lives tended to be white men under the age of 25, in the junior enlisted ranks, with less than a college education.

The analysis of 2011's 301 military suicides also found that the suicide rate for divorced service members was 55 percent higher than for those who were married. It determined that 60 percent of military suicides were committed with the use of firearms — and in most cases the guns were personal weapons, not military-issued.

That study also found that most service members who attempted suicide — about 65 percent — had a known history of behavior problems, whereas 45 percent of those who actually completed the act and killed themselves had such a history.

One such case was Army Spc. Christopher Nguyen, 29, who killed himself last August at an off-post residence he shared with another member of the 82nd Airborne Division at Fort Bragg, N.C., according to his sister, Shawna Nguyen.

"He was practically begging for help and nothing was done," she said in an interview.

She said he had been diagnosed with an "adjustment disorder" — a problem of coping with the uncertainties of returning home after three deployments in war zones. She believes the Army failed her brother by not doing more to ensure that he received the help he needed before he became suicidal.

"It's the responsibility of the military to help these men and women," she said. "They sent them over there (to war); they should be helping them when they come back."

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AP Broadcast correspondent Sagar Meghani contributed to this report.

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The Defense Department's toll-free military crisis number is 800-273-8255.

Online: Tragedy Assistance Program for Survivors: http://www.taps.org

BigBadBrian
01-15-2013, 06:49 AM
72% of US combat deaths in Afghanistan have come on Obama's watch. Our people there are in a no-win situation.

The Afghan army is simply not interested in jeopardizing their own lives for their own country (my own research from reading multiple US Army, US Special Forces, US Marines, USNavy Seals, British Army, and British Special Forces [SAS and SBS] accounts.)

As soon as we leave, the Taliban and al Qaeda resume control of Afghanistan.

ELVIS
01-15-2013, 10:18 AM
SSRIs SSRIs, come get your SSRIs !!

Click! (http://ssristories.com/index.php?p=soldier)


:elvis:

ELVIS
01-15-2013, 10:38 AM
Sixty Thousand Soldiers Treated for PTSD with SSRIs in 2008...

Suicides Highest Since Army Began Keeping Record...

BAN THE FUCKING SUICIDE PILLS !!!!!!!


:mad2:

Seshmeister
01-15-2013, 11:02 AM
Imagine how high it would be without treatment.

ELVIS
01-15-2013, 11:06 AM
The vodka has gone to your head in a bad way...

jhale667
01-15-2013, 11:14 AM
You can't blame it all on the meds when these guys have done more tours than ever in US military history.

jhale667
01-15-2013, 11:14 AM
And are they "murder" or "suicide" pills according the the spew of Infowhore? Aren't they one or the other?

Kristy
01-15-2013, 11:15 AM
Sixty Thousand Soldiers Treated for PTSD with SSRIs in 2008...

Suicides Highest Since Army Began Keeping Record...

BAN THE FUCKING SUICIDE PILLS !!!!!!!


:mad2:

Seriously, quit listening to Asslex Jones.

Seshmeister
01-15-2013, 11:51 AM
The vodka has gone to your head in a bad way...

I'm the one with evidence and science on my side, you're the one with chronic pharmacophobia and taking your information from people who are mentally ill paid for by adverts by snake oil salesmen.

ELVIS
01-15-2013, 12:24 PM
You're the one who profits from Big Pharma, so of course your judgement is biased...

ELVIS
01-15-2013, 12:25 PM
http://www.healio.com/~/media/Journals/PedAnn/2012/4_April/10_3928_00904481_20120307_13/table4.ashx


:elvis:

Seshmeister
01-15-2013, 12:49 PM
You're the one who profits from Big Pharma, so of course your judgement is biased...

I don't profit in any way from 'Big Pharma' apart from the same as everyone else in the West in it's ability to develop life saving drugs.

By the way what is 'Small Pharma'?

Is it the New Age scam artists that advertise at InfoWars?

FORD
01-15-2013, 12:56 PM
I'm not a fan of the pharmaceutical industry, but I don't think they deserve the bulk of the blame in this case. I'd say it's more the extended tours, repeated deployments, and the fact that these people in the military know damn well that they are being lied to about what their so-called "mission" is in these useless wars, and that it obviously has nothing to do with defending America.

I also believe that, just as there's a "basic training" process that conditions someone to be in the military, maybe there should be a "basic untraining" process that allows them to go back to the civilian world.

ELVIS
01-15-2013, 12:59 PM
The government would have to give a shit for that to happen...

ELVIS
01-15-2013, 01:08 PM
I don't profit in any way from 'Big Pharma' apart from the same as everyone else in the West in it's ability to develop life saving drugs.

I wouldn't brag too much about that...

By the way what is 'Small Pharma'?

I'm not sure...

Maybe small independant companies like Youngevity who supply real absorbable vitamins and minerals and EFA's...

Is it the New Age scam artists that advertise at InfoWars?

Maybe, and you sound like you could use some purified drinking water without flouride...



You make me laugh...


:biggrin:

DLR Bridge
01-15-2013, 01:19 PM
Elvis, as you're rewiring this car wash, are people standing around in amazement of how proficient you are with an I Phone? Just curious.

Seshmeister
01-15-2013, 01:20 PM
I'm not a fan of the pharmaceutical industry, but I don't think they deserve the bulk of the blame in this case.

That's exactly correct.

An independent peer reviewed meta study in Australia of all the other studies concluded

http://anp.sagepub.com/content/40/11-12/941



Conclusions: Meta-analyses of RCTs suggest that SSRIs increase suicide ideation compared with placebo but the observational studies suggest that SSRIs do not increase suicide risk more than older antidepressants. If SSRIs increase suicide risk in some patients, the number of additional deaths is very small because ecological studies have generally found that suicide mortality has declined (or at least not increased) as SSRI use has increased.

Of course this research and all the rest will have been studied by the people administering SSRI's to the US service personnel because they don't want their colleagues to kill themselves.

The authors of the study were -

Professor Wayne Hall, who has published countless studies over the past 20 years specialising in the field of addiction, addressing socially important and intellectually challenging scientific and policy questions at the intersection between human biology and history. Since 2001 he moved to the University of Queensland to work on the public policy and ethics of new biotechnologies arising from the sequencing of the human genome and is now working on addiction and related topics from the perspectives of advances in genetics and neuroscience

Associate Professor Jayne Lucke who before joining the Addiction Neuroethics unit at UQCCR was Deputy Director of the Australian Longitudinal Study on Women's Health in the School of Population Health at the University of Queensland, and worked in the Office of Public Policy and Ethics at the Institute of Molecular Bioscience at the University of Queensland researching the ethical and policy implications of scientific developments to prolong human life. Her previous roles have included the coordination of research for Blue Care, Queensland's largest provider of community and aged care services, research administration at the University of Manchester and lecturing in psychology and research methods at the University of Huddersfield in the UK. She spent five years at the National Centre for HIV Social Research and a further two years in the University of Queensland's Psychiatry Department evaluating a suicide prevention program for young people.


After High School Alex Jones failed his course at Austin Community College.

Seshmeister
01-15-2013, 01:28 PM
You make me laugh...


:biggrin:

Ok now I know for absolute sure you have gone off the deep end. Holy shit it's like you are in a cult or something.

"Maybe small independant companies like Youngevity who supply real absorbable vitamins and minerals and EFA's..."

Why don't you take a few minutes out of your busy schedule to read about those con artists who sell over priced ineffective shit.

http://www.lazymanandmoney.com/youngevity-scam/

Wallach the conman who runs the company isn't a doctor BTW, he's a vet. :rofl:

Here is his bio

http://www.skepdic.com/wallach.html


If you Google Youngetivity you will find Alex Jones endorsements all over them. Funny that...

ELVIS
01-15-2013, 01:28 PM
I can post studies as well...

Seshmeister
01-15-2013, 01:32 PM
I also highly recommend you take a look at http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/spotquack.html which helps you know when you are being scammed by the phoney vitamin pushers.

ashstralia
01-15-2013, 01:32 PM
snake oil salesmen.

hmmmmm... snake oil. i've heard it's just like chicken oil

PETE'S BROTHER
01-15-2013, 01:33 PM
I can post studies as well...

yeeeah, don't

Seshmeister
01-15-2013, 01:33 PM
I can post studies as well...

You really need to get a hold on what is science and what isn't.

You need to do some reading on how to spot bad science, scams and fakery.

'Big Pharma' do it too by not publishing adverse studies and so on.

The first name you pulled off of Alex Jones was a vet claiming to be a doctor selling vitamins at FOUR times the usual price and making completely implausible claims.

PETE'S BROTHER
01-15-2013, 01:33 PM
hmmmmm... snake oil. i've heard it's just like chicken oil

more scaly, not as feathery

jhale667
01-15-2013, 01:45 PM
You really need to get a hold on what is science and what isn't.

You need to do some reading on how to spot bad science, scams and fakery.

'Big Pharma' do it too by not publishing adverse studies and so on.

The first name you pulled off of Alex Jones was a vet claiming to be a doctor selling vitamins at FOUR times the usual price and making completely implausible claims.

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h217/jhale667/YouGotOwned_zps73131e95.gif

chefcraig
01-15-2013, 01:47 PM
hmmmmm... snake oil. i've heard it's just like chicken oil

Nah, that's frog legs. To the uninitiated and somewhat wary, you tell them that they "taste just like chicken!"

ELVIS
01-15-2013, 01:52 PM
The first name you pulled off of Alex Jones was a vet claiming to be a doctor selling vitamins at FOUR times the usual price and making completely implausible claims.

Believe what you want...

Maybe you should look into what Dr. Wallach did for Theo Ratliff...

Seshmeister
01-15-2013, 02:07 PM
:lol:


I shouldn't laugh but you are so gullible it's frightening.

I seriously hope for your sake that your wife controls the purse strings in your home, you are a shysters dream mark.

ThrillsNSpills
01-15-2013, 02:09 PM
quackwatch is obvious propaganda.
Who believes drugs are healthier than proper nutrition? Sesh that is a textbook definition of cherry picked facts right there.
people are more obese than ever these days and the reason is that they are malnourished or they wouldn't eat so much (it's an oversimplification;I already know I'm not going to be believed here)

You want the cure for obesity. Eat nothing but raw fruits and vegetables. (I hear the protein freaks and all that and I was there too) It's all conditioning.

Eat whatever you want for 40 years then act like you don't know how you got deathly ill , then take drugs. That's called not taking responsibility.

Yep there's a lot of crap on the shelves disguised as vitamins and there's plenty of bad science and many people who cure things get harrased by agencies none of which is anything people want to believe or research.

jhale667
01-15-2013, 02:10 PM
:lol:


I shouldn't laugh but you are so gullible it's frightening.

I seriously hope for your sake that your wife controls the purse strings in your home, you are a shysters dream mark.


How much you wanna be she likely controls the purse strings, brings home the bacon, AND wears the pants... :lmao:

Seshmeister
01-15-2013, 02:17 PM
quackwatch is obvious propaganda.
Who believes drugs are healthier than proper nutrition? Sesh that is a textbook definition of cherry picked facts right there.
people are more obese than ever these days and the reason is that they are malnourished or they wouldn't eat so much (it's an oversimplification;I already know I'm not going to be believed here)

You want the cure for obesity. Eat nothing but raw fruits and vegetables. (I hear the protein freaks and all that and I was there too) It's all conditioning.

Eat whatever you want for 40 years then act like you don't know how you got deathly ill , then take drugs. That's called not taking responsibility.

Yep there's a lot of crap on the shelves disguised as vitamins and there's plenty of bad science and many people who cure things get harrased by agencies none of which is anything people want to believe or research.

I agree with you on all that.

Who said drugs are better than good nutrition?

The only point we would disagree on is the vitamins thing. Unless you have an actual diagnosed condition of a vitamin deficiency then you are wasting your time and money with supplements. Stuffing your face at McDonalds will get you all your vitamins it's just a terrible way to do it. You don't end up malnourished, but you do of course fuck up your body.

People don't keep eating too much fast food because they keep going until they get enough vitamins or minerals. They just like the fix of fats and sugars.

Kristy
01-15-2013, 02:18 PM
I also highly recommend you take a look at http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/spotquack.html which helps you know when you are being scammed by the phoney vitamin pushers.

I highly suggest you go shove an herbal tea bag up your Euro ass.

jhale667
01-15-2013, 02:21 PM
Krustslist.com ladies and gents...

Seshmeister
01-15-2013, 02:21 PM
I highly suggest you go shove an herbal tea bag up your Euro ass.

Very good. How much do you charge to do that? :)

jhale667
01-15-2013, 02:26 PM
Very good. How much do you charge to do that? :)




:biggrin:

Nickdfresh
01-15-2013, 05:36 PM
72% of US combat deaths in Afghanistan have come on Obama's watch. Our people there are in a no-win situation.

The Afghan army is simply not interested in jeopardizing their own lives for their own country (my own research from reading multiple US Army, US Special Forces, US Marines, USNavy Seals, British Army, and British Special Forces [SAS and SBS] accounts.)

As soon as we leave, the Taliban and al Qaeda resume control of Afghanistan.

So it's all Obama's fault?

Nickdfresh
01-15-2013, 05:39 PM
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=169340558


2012 Military Suicides Hit A Record High Of 349

by The Associated Press
...

A statistic that sounds shocking, and certainly is a cause for concern. But the truth is that a lot less servicemembers are dying in combat nowadays so the suicide rate looks vastly more shocking. But yes, PTSD is a huge issue, as are homeless vet's...

Nickdfresh
01-15-2013, 05:41 PM
Sixty Thousand Soldiers Treated for PTSD with SSRIs in 2008...

Suicides Highest Since Army Began Keeping Record...

BAN THE FUCKING SUICIDE PILLS !!!!!!!


:mad2:

Based on what? Where did you hear this (Alex jones!)? and based on what study?

Complete bullshit!

ELVIS
01-15-2013, 09:17 PM
Unless you have an actual diagnosed condition of a vitamin deficiency then you are wasting your time and money with supplements. Stuffing your face at McDonalds will get you all your vitamins it's just a terrible way to do it. You don't end up malnourished, but you do of course fuck up your body.



Are you really that dumb ??

ELVIS
01-15-2013, 09:18 PM
Based on what? Where did you hear this (Alex jones!)? and based on what study?

Complete bullshit!

I posted the link, you're just too dumb or too lazy to read it...