Goddamit. Immigration Enforcement Is Non-Existent.

[Hardrock69]

On NBC News tonight they showed trailcams that were set up by ranchers just north of the border in Arizona.

Fucking waves and waves of illegal immigrants and drug smugglers coming into the US day after day.

And fucking Obama wants to grant amnesty? Fuck that shit.

http://www.nbcnews.com/video/nightly-news/50842924

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[Nitro Express]

It's been going on for years. I have friends who live in southern Arizona. It's a war zone. One of the main responsibilities of the US President is to secure and defend our borders. He's not doing his job nor did the one before him. I really would love to throw Obama and Bush in the same jail cell. That's where the both of them belong for their war crimes.

[ashstralia]

hehe... ours have to brave ricketty unseaworthy vessels. and pay money to people smugglers. how's those trucks full of immigrants in europe who suffocate on the way?

sheesh.

[FORD]

This is why all this goddamned Randtard "leave it all up to the States" bullshit never works.

If you're going to secure a national border, then you need to come up with a solution and then implement the same thing from California to Texas.

You don't depend on incompetent morons like Jan Brewer or pRick Perry to do it.

Of course that's the simple answer... reality is that other things enter into the picture. Like the teabaggers killing any attempt at infrastructure spending that would build such a thing. Or the fact that some tribal lands exist on both sides of the border, and how to handle that issue.

Or just the obvious question, do we really WANT something across our borders that looks like this piece of filthy fascist shit??

http://ipsnews-net.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/Library/2012/07/wall-629x418.jpg

[Nitro Express]

Big walls really don't work. The Chinese built a big one and some bribes in the right hands defeated it. You are going to have some illegal immigration unless you want to become a police state. What we need to do is have serious consequences for violating our laws and then have a common sense migrant worker program if the farmers or some industries just can't supply their work force with domestic help.

I would say it's stated pretty clear in the US constitution it's the federal government's job to patrol and secure the border. That is why we have The US Border Patrol. It never was the states job to begin with but when the feds don't do their job the states have to do it out of necessity.

All you would have to do is make it clear anyone crossing the border at a non authorized crossing point gets shot. Quite effective. The word gets out and not too many people try it.

[ashstralia]

Big walls really don't work.

remember when that one came down in germany? :)

[Nickdfresh]

Building massive walls and trying to seal the border would not only be massively expensive, it would be a net drain on the economy. We've always needed a guest worker program, but corporations and farmers want their cake and to eat it too with tax-free, cheap labor...

[Hardrock69]

Heh....just round up the illegal immigrants and put them to work. Pay them in food and lodging, and when the job is done, turn them loose on the wrong side of the border. :hee:

[private parts]

If there is a ban on assault weapons, there may be a provision to allow property owners on the border to
have assault weapons to protect their families and property from smugglers and etc. It is after all, as someone said earlier, a war zone.

[ELVIS]

Any area can turn into a "war zone" overnight...

[private parts]

You got that right...

[Hardrock69]

http://news.yahoo.com/majority-u-citizens-illegal-immigrants-deported-010930979.html


Majority of U.S. citizens say illegal immigrants should be deported
By Rachelle Younglai | Reuters – 6 hrs ago

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - More than half of U.S. citizens believe that most or all of the country's 11 million illegal immigrants should be deported, according to a Reuters/Ipsos poll released on Wednesday that highlights the difficulties facing lawmakers trying to reform the U.S. immigration system.

The online survey shows resistance to easing immigration laws despite the biggest push for reform in Congress since 2007.

Thirty percent of those polled think that most illegal immigrants, with some exceptions, should be deported, while 23 percent believe all illegal immigrants should be deported.

Only 5 percent believe all illegal immigrants should be allowed to stay in the United States legally, and 31 percent want most illegal immigrants to stay.

These results are in line with other polls in recent years, suggesting that people's views on immigration have not changed dramatically since the immigration debate reignited in Congress last month, according to Ipsos pollster Julia Clark.

"It's not Americans' views that are shifting. It is that the political climate is ripe for this discussion," after the November election when Hispanics voted overwhelmingly in favor of Democratic President Barack Obama, she said.

"Democrats feel that the time is right to capitalize on their wins and Republicans feel that they had a bad blow and are eager to reach out to Hispanics," she added.

Polls show that most Americans back immigration reform, although they often have different ideas of what that means, with some people favoring looser immigration laws while others want to see greater border security.

A group of eight U.S. senators are working on a bipartisan deal to enact immigration reform, the first major attempt since a similar overhaul died in Congress six years ago.

The senators' proposal calls for a full path to citizenship for illegal immigrants once they pay back taxes and a fine and wait in line behind others applying to become Americans.

A plan by Obama has similar provisions, but the senators want any move to relax immigration laws dependant on boosting security on the southern border.

ISSUE POLARIZES POLICYMAKERS

Attitudes toward immigration are polarized by party, according to another the Reuters/Ipsos poll. Seventy-five percent of Republicans think all or most immigrants should be deported, compared to 40 percent of Democrats who think the same.

Republican Senator John McCain, one of the eight senators in the group, had his own encounter with citizens angered by illegal immigration on Tuesday when residents of his state of Arizona complained bitterly at a town hall meeting about the lack of security on the border with Mexico.

One man asked why troops had not been deployed to the border.

"Why didn't the army go down there and stop them? Because the only thing that stops them I'm afraid to say, and it's too damn bad, is a gun," the man said,

Another resident, Keith Smith, got into a testy exchange with McCain, the 2008 Republican presidential candidate whose views on immigration have fluctuated over the years.

"Cut off their welfare and all their stuff and they'll go back," Smith said, referring to undocumented workers.

McCain had been trying to explain his position: "You're not telling these people the truth. They mow our lawns, they care for our babies, they clean . . . that's what those people do," he said.

The Arizona lawmaker, whose position on immigration hardened during the 2010 midterm elections before softening again, is a key part of the Republican side of the senators' bipartisan immigration effort.

Wednesday's Reuters/Ipsos poll was conducted Friday through Tuesday and surveyed 1,443 Americans over the age of 18.

The precision of the Reuters/Ipsos online poll is measured using a credibility interval. In this survey, the poll has a credibility interval of plus or minus 2.9 percentage points.

[vh rides again]

I wonder how many gangster type people sit out in those areas just waiting for the people hauling drugs to come by.

It would be easy for a few crazy mofos to take their dope.
Sounds like a nice way to make a lot of money.

[ELVIS]

If you're going to secure a national border, then you need to come up with a solution and then implement the same thing from California to Texas.



The federal government has zero intention to secure the border...

[tbone888]

Neither side will ever doing anything meaningful about the border at the risk of pissing off a potential voting base. If one really wants to change it, make employing an illegal alien a federal crime with a stiff fine and a mandatory fed prison term. This would go for a corporation hiring for a warehouse or a local guy getting his grass mowed. Jobs and illegal immigration would dry up over nite.

One thing tho...be prepared to pay a lot more goods and services. Im always amazed that people go off on on corporations (with merit) about low wages and benefits but some local asshole gets a free ride paying an illegal 2-3 bucks an hour, and no benefits, for very hard work.

[Nickdfresh]

If there is a ban on assault weapons, there may be a provision to allow property owners on the border to
have assault weapons to protect their families and property from smugglers and etc. It is after all, as someone said earlier, a war zone.

An assault weapons ban won't be retroactive. It will only effect new purchases. And most would be just as well off with a scoped rifle and a shotgun than an AR-15...

[Nickdfresh]

The federal government has zero intention to secure the border...

Right. How could American gun makers and gun stores profit from the Mexican Drug War if we did?

[Hardrock69]

True dat.